| 00:07.31 | maquis | mrpull-_: the projector liked me just fine until my computer fell asleep before class, and then it hated me |
| 00:16.07 | tene | ~lart maquis' tendons |
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| 00:27.29 | findlay | ibot: that was counter-productive |
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| 01:06.17 | Hhhhh | hmm, by any chance, anybody here goes to Georgia Tech? |
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| 01:41.09 | maquis | Hhhhh: i'd check #georgia or something to that effect... |
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| 02:04.20 | graphyx | hi |
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| 04:48.21 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 04:49.01 | tensai | ah, the VAX. that brings back memories. |
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| 06:11.50 | goddog | hello? |
| 06:12.05 | xbmodder_lappy | hi |
| 06:12.09 | xbmodder_lappy | how are you? |
| 06:12.23 | goddog | good.. you? |
| 06:14.25 | xbmodder_lappy | great |
| 06:14.25 | maquis | sheep? |
| 06:14.25 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
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| 06:15.11 | goddog | yep |
| 06:15.13 | goddog | maquis?? |
| 06:15.14 | maquis | :) |
| 06:15.40 | maquis | goddog: you know who the maquis are? |
| 06:15.40 | goddog | nope.. |
| 06:15.40 | maquis | maquis is a rebel group in star trek |
| 06:16.04 | maquis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_%28Star_Trek%29 <-- some info |
| 06:16.12 | maquis | it's also a rebel group in france during wwII |
| 06:16.27 | maquis | couple other groups have also had that name |
| 06:16.39 | goddog | so.. maquis.. who are you? |
| 06:17.30 | maquis | goddog: who are you? |
| 06:17.37 | goddog | i'm so not a trekie |
| 06:17.49 | goozbach | that's cool |
| 06:18.15 | maquis | it's ok... i'm nice to non-trekkies... especially since i never have time to watch star trek anymore |
| 06:18.43 | maquis | the question that goozbach is more concerned about is, are you a star wars fan? |
| 06:19.06 | maquis | goozbach: me too... but it's looking like an all-nighter... |
| 06:19.12 | maquis | so, i'll probably be more tired in the morning |
| 06:19.12 | goozbach | me tired |
| 06:19.13 | goddog | nope |
| 06:19.15 | goddog | boring |
| 06:19.36 | goozbach | cause I was up till 4am this morning |
| 06:21.00 | maquis | ~beat goozbach |
| 06:21.03 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach with a wetfish |
| 06:22.06 | goddog | oh wait.. let me rephrase it.. Star wars is boring, but that is my opinion.... :) |
| 06:22.11 | maquis | :) |
| 06:23.05 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.21 | maquis | *cough* |
| 06:28.39 | maquis | why won't this stupid thing work????? |
| 06:28.49 | Hhhhh | what thing? |
| 06:29.01 | maquis | decision tree |
| 06:29.33 | Hhhhh | machine learning? |
| 06:29.38 | maquis | yup |
| 06:29.44 | Hhhhh | brrr.. |
| 06:30.07 | Hhhhh | machines are stupid, you're wasting your time |
| 06:30.12 | Hhhhh | they can't learn :) |
| 06:30.14 | Hhhhh | j/k |
| 06:30.15 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:30.19 | maquis | they are stupid |
| 06:30.32 | maquis | the most annoying thing is that they do what i say, not what i mean |
| 06:30.43 | Hhhhh | totally useless |
| 06:37.27 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:37.37 | maquis | has anybody checked the 10-day forecast recently on weather.com? |
| 06:40.46 | dna3e8 | I need some help interpreting a web log file.. |
| 06:41.29 | dna3e8 | a site was repeatedly 'calling' mine. I need to find the file on the offending server |
| 06:41.42 | maquis | huh???? |
| 06:41.45 | dna3e8 | is it ok if I post the log entry her |
| 06:41.45 | maquis | what does the log file say? |
| 06:41.47 | dna3e8 | *her |
| 06:41.50 | dna3e8 | *here |
| 06:41.51 | maquis | and is it apache? |
| 06:41.56 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 06:42.03 | maquis | copy one of the lines |
| 06:42.26 | maquis | my guess is it's someone trying to do something naughty |
| 06:42.26 | dna3e8 | 66.235.212.153 - - [07/Mar/2006:01:37:23 -0800] "GET /tiki-forum_rss.php?forumId=4 HTTP/1.1" 200 285 "-" "PEAR HTTP_Request class ( http://pear.php.net/ )" |
| 06:42.51 | maquis | ok... is there a tiki-forum_rss.php on your webserver? |
| 06:43.07 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 06:43.11 | dna3e8 | and the Ip is mine |
| 06:43.26 | maquis | wait... the 66.235.212.153 is you? |
| 06:43.34 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 06:43.47 | dna3e8 | the server with 'tiki... on it |
| 06:43.47 | maquis | so, your computer is hitting your webserver |
| 06:43.57 | maquis | your webserver is hitting itself |
| 06:43.58 | dna3e8 | my server is hitting my server |
| 06:44.06 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 06:44.11 | maquis | do you have any processes that are monitoring anything? |
| 06:44.30 | dna3e8 | no |
| 06:44.47 | dna3e8 | there is a chance of a infinite php loop |
| 06:44.59 | dna3e8 | but I can't find what page it is in |
| 06:45.24 | dna3e8 | "this log entry is suppose to tell me" |
| 06:45.58 | maquis | it's hitting tiki-forum_rss.php |
| 06:46.02 | maquis | that's where it's going to |
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| 06:46.30 | maquis | it's going to it using pear's HTTP_Request class... |
| 06:46.41 | dna3e8 | I was told the log would tell me were it is coming from.. |
| 06:47.10 | maquis | it will, if it's getting forwarded from another page |
| 06:47.12 | maquis | but it's not here |
| 06:47.26 | maquis | if you look after the 285, there's something that says "-" |
| 06:47.32 | maquis | that means it's not being referred from anywhere |
| 06:48.10 | dna3e8 | hmm |
| 06:48.32 | maquis | in other words, it's not following a link to get to your site |
| 06:48.57 | maquis | i'm assuming you're using someone else's code for this forum... |
| 06:49.20 | maquis | it's possible that whoever wrote it built something in where there's a function that monitors that page |
| 06:49.53 | maquis | because that's an rss page, anyone who wants to view that in a rss reader will have their reader come looking at it every however-many minutes |
| 06:50.09 | maquis | so, if the website also has a built-in rss reader, that's probably what's happening, i'm guessing |
| 06:50.13 | dna3e8 | an rss page may be monitored, but not at that reat |
| 06:50.24 | dna3e8 | *rate |
| 06:50.33 | maquis | how often is it getting hit? |
| 06:50.58 | dna3e8 | at least once a minuet |
| 06:51.23 | tensai | could be a bad configuration. people have done dummer things. |
| 06:51.52 | maquis | dna3e8: yeah... check your rss reader's settings and see if it's set to once-a-minute by default |
| 06:52.03 | dna3e8 | I would like to find what is monitoring it |
| 06:52.11 | dna3e8 | it is like 5 |
| 06:52.32 | dna3e8 | there are many closer then 30 sec |
| 06:52.44 | maquis | are they on a very regular basis? |
| 06:52.51 | maquis | ie, is there a sequence to the times? |
| 06:55.39 | dna3e8 | oops there was a php, rss reader set at 1 min, but that should not have bogged my server |
| 06:56.10 | maquis | if it was set to 1 minute, that sounds like that's about what was causing all those hits |
| 06:56.15 | maquis | kill it, and see if things improve |
| 06:56.34 | dna3e8 | how do i kill it... |
| 06:56.47 | maquis | (or change it to 15 minutes... unless you are constantly looking for changes, you probably don't need to update more than once every 15-30 minutes) |
| 07:01.00 | dna3e8 | from the log is was requesting 12 times a second |
| 07:01.10 | maquis | ok... |
| 07:01.28 | maquis | so, once you change the one that was going every minute, see how the logs go after that... |
| 07:01.34 | dna3e8 | but why /how ? |
| 07:01.43 | maquis | change the settings? |
| 07:01.51 | dna3e8 | yes 15 mins |
| 07:01.56 | maquis | ok... |
| 07:02.06 | maquis | so, are the logs showing hits less often now? |
| 07:02.26 | maquis | and... what did you mean earlier when you said that your server was getting bogged down? |
| 07:02.54 | maquis | have you restarted apache, btw/ |
| 07:03.16 | maquis | that might be a good thing to do so you can get a good view of what's happening |
| 07:03.23 | dna3e8 | between 9: 30 and 10:30 the server kept timing out |
| 07:03.54 | maquis | i'm assuming you've got a window tailing the apache logs, right? |
| 07:04.09 | dna3e8 | (i don't control the server, remote hosting) |
| 07:04.28 | dna3e8 | no window tailing, a web page that I can refresh |
| 07:05.00 | dna3e8 | but it is 'independent ' of my site so it works even with the 'server bogg' |
| 07:05.11 | maquis | wait... you don't have rights to restart apache on the box? |
| 07:05.20 | dna3e8 | nope |
| 07:05.25 | maquis | that sucks |
| 07:05.58 | dna3e8 | if it does run away again how might I stop it? |
| 07:06.08 | maquis | so, aside from the frequency of hits, how do you know that you're responsible for it getting bogged down? |
| 07:06.14 | maquis | if what runs away again? |
| 07:08.41 | dna3e8 | a php page makes many requests |
| 07:10.32 | maquis | well... if it does that, you need to figure out why it's doing it |
| 07:10.55 | maquis | if it's doing it to a rss page, i'd guess it's probably an rss reader that's misconfigured |
| 07:11.05 | maquis | or a lot of instances of rss readers |
| 07:11.20 | maquis | did the traffic calm down after you fixed the rss reader that was hitting every minute? |
| 07:11.50 | dna3e8 | it stopped before that, when my account was suspended... |
| 07:12.08 | maquis | ah |
| 07:12.30 | maquis | i'd suggest you look into all the different settings on this setup you have, and disable anything you're not using |
| 07:12.47 | maquis | you should be able to disable things in various config files |
| 07:12.55 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 07:13.00 | maquis | if you're not using an rss reader, disable the rss readers |
| 07:13.13 | maquis | just turn things off, and that should resolve your problems |
| 07:13.30 | maquis | when you get your account re-enabled, immediately start checking things |
| 07:13.46 | maquis | pay close attention to what's going on, and any traffic that's not supposed to be there |
| 07:13.54 | dna3e8 | I was hoping a log file would be able to locate the offending file.... but I can trouble shoot it that way |
| 07:14.25 | maquis | if you can, eventually, it's nice to move to a server where you have a bit more control... it's hard to manage things when you don't have rights to stuff |
| 07:14.42 | maquis | what kind of an account do you have at your host? i'm assuming you have some sort of shell access? |
| 07:14.53 | dna3e8 | but that is a lot of $$$$$$$$ |
| 07:15.18 | maquis | dna3e8: is this just for you, or are a lot of people using this website? |
| 07:15.40 | dna3e8 | no shell access, it is a shared server with FTP acces |
| 07:15.54 | dna3e8 | the web site only me, the server has many sites on it |
| 07:16.01 | maquis | if you're setting it up just for learning purposes, you can do just as well with an old computer (byu surplus sells some for < 30$) |
| 07:16.26 | maquis | just set up apache and everything on there, and you can use it just fine... |
| 07:16.31 | dna3e8 | The server is a remote commercial server, |
| 07:16.41 | maquis | as i recall, you're in on-campus housing, right? |
| 07:17.09 | dna3e8 | I have a computer (headless) that will someday be a web server. But I don't know enough yet to run a web server |
| 07:17.16 | maquis | if so, if you set up a server in your apartment/dorm, you can reach it from any computers on-campus, but not by computers off-campus |
| 07:17.18 | dna3e8 | yes, on campus |
| 07:17.37 | maquis | i found that while i was living on-campus, that was good enough for what i needed for my server |
| 07:18.01 | maquis | now that i'm off-campus, my server can be seen everywhere, which is nice... |
| 07:18.25 | dna3e8 | Yes, only available on campus. I have a few public pages (American heritage wiki) |
| 07:18.38 | dna3e8 | that want to be public |
| 07:19.14 | maquis | well, at least at some point in the future, when you get off-campus, you might want to switch to managing your own server |
| 07:20.14 | maquis | and in the mean-time, turning off as many unnecessary things on that forum as possible will hopefully resolve the problems you're having |
| 07:20.22 | findlay | ibot: my favorite Schubert symphony is nr. 2 |
| 07:20.23 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 07:21.19 | findlay | ibot: thanks. I'm glad you're around to remember these things |
| 07:21.19 | ibot | bitte, findlay |
| 07:21.34 | maquis | dna3e8: did that make sense? |
| 07:21.44 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 07:21.47 | maquis | cool |
| 07:21.50 | maquis | good luck with all that |
| 07:21.54 | findlay | ibot: do I make sense? |
| 07:21.55 | ibot | ACTION does I make sense. |
| 07:22.04 | dna3e8 | I will need alot more practice at *nix to runn my own server... |
| 07:22.07 | findlay | ibot: that didn't make sense |
| 07:22.18 | maquis | dna3e8: running your own server is the only way to get that practice :) |
| 07:22.40 | maquis | i ran mine for a year on-campus where only i could get to it |
| 07:22.45 | maquis | in that time, i made a lot of stupid mistakes |
| 07:22.47 | maquis | but oh well |
| 07:23.20 | maquis | i figure that as long as i don't make the same mistake multiple times, at least i'm learning |
| 07:23.26 | maquis | and constantly making new mistakes |
| 07:23.38 | dna3e8 | I started setting one up at the install fest.... then a roomies computer died... i just got it back so I can finish installing linux |
| 07:24.34 | maquis | i'd suggest picking one distro, and messing around with it for a while rather than trying to learn a bunch of different distros at once |
| 07:24.49 | findlay | dna3e8: oh you're that guy (: |
| 07:24.57 | maquis | i started with redhat, and stayed with various versions of that for a while... |
| 07:25.14 | findlay | at least I think I remembe |
| 07:25.15 | findlay | r |
| 07:25.26 | maquis | findlay: i don't remember seeing you at the installfest for some reason... i think i was overly focused on the two computers i was dealing with, though |
| 07:25.35 | maquis | (massive problems... not fun) |
| 07:25.56 | findlay | the problems michael and I were having were worse, I bet |
| 07:26.00 | dna3e8 | (that was me) I was trying to figure out what distro would be best: for a headless Apache server with mysql and PHP |
| 07:26.15 | maquis | dna3e8: most distros will work fine |
| 07:26.23 | findlay | only in how long and frustrating it was before we finally figured out what was wrong |
| 07:27.13 | maquis | i personally would recommend doing something besides SuSE because SuSE does things generally very differently from most of the other distros, and so less of the information will transfer when you try a new distro |
| 07:27.36 | dna3e8 | lets put it this way, what distro can you'all help me with best. (i think suse is less common) |
| 07:27.39 | findlay | ubuntu seems kind of wierd too |
| 07:27.43 | maquis | debian or fedora might be a good one to start with.... |
| 07:27.48 | maquis | ubuntu is not meant for a server |
| 07:28.03 | maquis | i don't think you're ready for gentoo yet |
| 07:28.13 | dna3e8 | NO!!! I have heard about that! |
| 07:28.37 | maquis | most people in the uug can help reasonably well with fedora... and a good number could help with debian |
| 07:28.37 | findlay | that's why I like gentoo. The packages seem to be more vanilla than other distros |
| 07:29.11 | maquis | gentoo is great once you know what you're doing well enough to get it installed, but if this is your first time doing a server, i'd stick with something easier :) |
| 07:29.40 | maquis | dna3e8: if i was in your place, i'd probably use fedora |
| 07:29.46 | dna3e8 | between fedora and debian. witch is better at updating itself? (umbuntu seems to do a good job of..) |
| 07:29.50 | findlay | I don't think gentoo is that hard to use. You just have to be willing to investigate things |
| 07:30.04 | findlay | then again you have to do that on all distros when something goes wrong |
| 07:30.14 | dna3e8 | ok I will be installing fedora on saturday |
| 07:30.23 | Hhhhh | may I suggest SUSE? |
| 07:30.26 | Hhhhh | Fedora is nice |
| 07:30.37 | Hhhhh | I think SUSE is a little bit more polished in 64 bit though |
| 07:30.47 | Hhhhh | well, a LOT more polished in 64 bit |
| 07:30.50 | maquis | Hhhhh: we just went through why SuSE isn't a good starting distro :) |
| 07:30.59 | Hhhhh | meh |
| 07:31.08 | dna3e8 | no too much fun with suse already (it is not very good on a headless machine) |
| 07:31.55 | Hhhhh | well, the "less of the information will transfer when you try a new distro" is a valid point |
| 07:32.02 | maquis | i've never used SuSE, but i'm not sure what would make any one distro worse than another on a headless machine |
| 07:32.05 | Hhhhh | other than that, SUSE is very friendly |
| 07:32.12 | Hhhhh | headless machine? |
| 07:32.30 | dna3e8 | Suse is usuall VERY nice |
| 07:32.36 | maquis | Hhhhh: i'm not going to claim it's not friendly... i agree it's friendly, but i think that for someone learning to run a server, information transfer is probably pretty important :) |
| 07:32.48 | Hhhhh | oh server |
| 07:32.55 | dna3e8 | I don't have a monitor... or room... |
| 07:32.56 | Hhhhh | yea, I wouldn't use SUSE for a server |
| 07:33.07 | Hhhhh | but as a desktop it rocks |
| 07:33.10 | dna3e8 | I usally ssh over ... when it is instaled |
| 07:33.42 | maquis | my server might as well be headless |
| 07:34.02 | maquis | i use it for tuxracer... but other than that, i never actually go over to it |
| 07:34.04 | dna3e8 | ... so you have a spare monitor... |
| 07:34.18 | maquis | dna3e8: not one that's going to be borrowed |
| 07:34.59 | dna3e8 | I didn't pal n on it , a joke. I ually swap my main one for the install... an every think is fine |
| 07:35.08 | maquis | :) |
| 07:35.51 | Hhhhh | hmm, someone should set up a Quake 4 demo server |
| 07:35.56 | Hhhhh | here in Utah |
| 07:36.14 | Hhhhh | I would if I had access to the router I'm behind of |
| 07:36.16 | dna3e8 | uhm don't think my computer could handle it |
| 07:36.16 | Hhhhh | :( |
| 07:36.40 | findlay | quaik? what's that? |
| 07:36.49 | maquis | quack |
| 07:36.51 | Hhhhh | quake 4 |
| 07:36.54 | maquis | quack! |
| 07:36.56 | Hhhhh | nah |
| 07:36.57 | Hhhhh | quake |
| 07:37.00 | findlay | lol |
| 07:37.14 | Hhhhh | quake 4 multiplayer is funnnnn |
| 07:37.36 | Hhhhh | you would all die a horrible, miserble death though |
| 07:37.37 | findlay | ~duck quake |
| 07:37.38 | ibot | ACTION gives quake a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels quake with it's big white wings. |
| 07:38.08 | Hhhhh | the duck/swan is gonna frag you! |
| 07:38.15 | Hhhhh | with the BFG9000 |
| 07:38.18 | maquis | ~bzfrag Hhhhh |
| 07:38.20 | ibot | ACTION skewers Hhhhh with a super bullet |
| 07:38.26 | Hhhhh | oh yea? |
| 07:38.32 | Hhhhh | ~bzfrag maquis |
| 07:38.34 | ibot | ACTION skewers maquis with a super bullet |
| 07:38.34 | maquis | ~bzfrag Hhhhh |
| 07:38.35 | ibot | ACTION blindsides Hhhhh with an invisible bullet |
| 07:38.44 | Hhhhh | hmm, bzflag |
| 07:38.48 | Hhhhh | meh |
| 07:38.56 | maquis | mmmm.. bzflag.... yummy! |
| 07:39.02 | maquis | ~paint Hhhhh |
| 07:39.04 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Hhhhh |
| 07:39.16 | Hhhhh | hmmm, I haven't tried bzflag in a very long time |
| 07:39.25 | maquis | why not? |
| 07:39.30 | maquis | bzflag is amazing! |
| 07:39.36 | Hhhhh | dunno, busy with commercial games |
| 07:39.41 | maquis | ~hug bzflag |
| 07:39.42 | ibot | ACTION hugs bzflag |
| 07:39.50 | maquis | why use commercial games when you can use bzflag? |
| 07:39.53 | Hhhhh | hmm, I'm starting to like Nexuiz |
| 07:39.57 | Hhhhh | because they're funnnnnn |
| 07:40.02 | maquis | so is bzflag |
| 07:40.18 | Hhhhh | hmm, you should try Far Cry |
| 07:40.22 | Hhhhh | or UT2k4 |
| 07:40.29 | dna3e8 | I havn't tried Nexuiz |
| 07:40.36 | Hhhhh | or at least Nexuiz (GPL) |
| 07:40.52 | findlay | Hhhhh: bzflag has come a long way in the past year |
| 07:41.29 | dna3e8 | I like BZFlag... i am still too new at it... |
| 07:41.51 | dna3e8 | I get way palstered |
| 07:42.10 | Hhhhh | it's just that bzflag...is ugly lookin |
| 07:42.12 | maquis | it's rare for me not to be the last person on the list when playing bzflag |
| 07:42.16 | maquis | but it's *way* fun |
| 07:42.19 | maquis | Hhhhh: no it's not |
| 07:42.23 | maquis | it's cool-looking! |
| 07:42.35 | maquis | especially if you get it with all the fun graphics |
| 07:42.37 | Hhhhh | yea, it looks like a project from CS455 |
| 07:42.45 | findlay | Hhhhh: have you tried the new 2.4 version ? ?? not ugly anymore |
| 07:42.54 | maquis | my computer doesn't handle allthe graphics, usually... like the cool explosions and the super-cool bullets |
| 07:42.55 | Hhhhh | 2.0.4? |
| 07:42.58 | maquis | but it's still not ugly |
| 07:43.09 | maquis | i've got 2.0.2 right now |
| 07:43.10 | Hhhhh | I have to say I haven't played it in a long time |
| 07:43.30 | maquis | have you played anything since version 2? |
| 07:43.44 | Hhhhh | no, I don't think so |
| 07:43.51 | maquis | you should give it another try |
| 07:43.55 | maquis | it's pretty sweet |
| 07:44.12 | maquis | we'll be having a fragfest.... i think it's during reading-days |
| 07:44.48 | dna3e8 | 2.0.4 is the newest |
| 07:50.55 | Hhhhh | hmm, it isn't really pretty |
| 07:51.04 | Hhhhh | it still looks like a CS455 project |
| 07:51.38 | Hhhhh | now take a look at this: http://www.nexuiz.com/ |
| 07:51.43 | Hhhhh | maquis, that was for you |
| 07:52.05 | Hhhhh | click on media |
| 07:52.29 | maquis | my computer barely handles the graphics for bzflag after i turn off all the cool stuff |
| 07:52.37 | maquis | i doubt it'd handle this stuff |
| 07:52.44 | Hhhhh | well, yea, it is demanding |
| 07:53.17 | Hhhhh | you need an NVIDIA GeForce 6800 or 2 x 6600GT in SLI to get good framerates with all the effects on |
| 07:53.32 | maquis | what's the advantage to all this graphics? |
| 07:53.32 | Hhhhh | I have 2x6600GT 128MB in SLI at home |
| 07:53.36 | Hhhhh | coolness |
| 07:53.40 | Hhhhh | coooooooooooool |
| 07:53.50 | Hhhhh | and the action is awesome, very fastpaced |
| 07:53.51 | maquis | honestly, my other favorite game is nethack |
| 07:54.37 | dna3e8 | I have a mac mini... think it could handle it? |
| 07:54.38 | maquis | so, the graphics aren't really what i use to decide what game i like |
| 07:54.43 | maquis | doubt it |
| 07:54.49 | maquis | (the doubt it was for dna3e8 ) |
| 07:55.25 | dna3e8 | i have a: ATI Radeon 9200: |
| 07:55.36 | Hhhhh | it's not the graphics only |
| 07:55.50 | Hhhhh | huh? x300 is decent |
| 07:56.03 | maquis | yeah |
| 07:56.12 | maquis | it's decent if i can get it to work decently |
| 07:56.18 | Hhhhh | should be able to handle bzflag at max settings |
| 07:56.23 | Hhhhh | driver issue? |
| 07:56.27 | maquis | once i get everything set up |
| 07:56.30 | maquis | mainly a time issue |
| 07:56.37 | maquis | i haven't had time to sit down and make it all work |
| 07:56.42 | Hhhhh | and ATI's sucky driver support? |
| 07:56.47 | maquis | that too |
| 07:56.50 | Hhhhh | ~lart ATI |
| 07:57.00 | Hhhhh | NVIDIA is the way to go |
| 07:57.07 | Hhhhh | loooove NVIDIa |
| 07:57.15 | maquis | my desktop's nvidia, and it's quite nice |
| 07:57.25 | maquis | i'm not sure how great freebsd's nvidia support is, though |
| 07:57.36 | Hhhhh | seriously, I always laugh at people who are apprehensive of their distros, languages or licenses, but I have to admit I am an nvidiot |
| 07:57.38 | dna3e8 | so did we decide my mini cant (because of the ATI Radeon 9200:) |
| 07:58.04 | Hhhhh | dna3e8, is it a desktop? |
| 07:58.10 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 07:58.18 | Hhhhh | AGP? |
| 07:58.23 | Hhhhh | well, of course, AGP |
| 07:58.42 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 07:59.19 | dna3e8 | 32 MB ram |
| 07:59.30 | dna3e8 | (vram) |
| 08:00.11 | Hhhhh | well, if you can spare $300, this is the best AGP card you can get: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/13/nvidias_geforce_7800gs_becomes_a_better_buy/ |
| 08:00.19 | Hhhhh | GeForce 7800GS |
| 08:01.35 | maquis | Hhhhh: from what i've heard, messing with the hardware on macs is a Bad Idea (TM) |
| 08:01.47 | maquis | at least if you're keeping OSX on the box |
| 08:01.58 | Hhhhh | oh Mac |
| 08:02.01 | Hhhhh | ewwwwww |
| 08:02.03 | maquis | yes |
| 08:02.06 | maquis | it's a mac mini |
| 08:02.09 | maquis | that's what he was saying |
| 08:02.10 | dna3e8 | g5 towers are ok... but not a M mini |
| 08:02.15 | maquis | macs are very nice |
| 08:02.27 | Hhhhh | Macs are for commies and artsy fartsy people |
| 08:02.36 | Hhhhh | ~lart Apple |
| 08:02.43 | maquis | if i had to choose between windoze and a mac, i'd take a mac any day |
| 08:02.45 | Hhhhh | My dad is a Mac guy |
| 08:02.50 | Hhhhh | nah, I'd take Windows |
| 08:02.55 | Hhhhh | Mac is a deadend |
| 08:03.02 | dna3e8 | (the new mac mini was optical audio in and out and gigabit ethernet |
| 08:03.17 | Hhhhh | ewwww, I don't want any of your Mac cooties |
| 08:03.54 | dna3e8 | there are a few out there duel booting linux and osX on amac |
| 08:04.13 | Hhhhh | but it's still a Mac underneath... |
| 08:04.26 | maquis | Hhhhh: macs are nice |
| 08:04.46 | maquis | if you don't like them, you probably haven't used them much |
| 08:05.01 | Hhhhh | I was raised in Macintosh |
| 08:05.14 | Hhhhh | way back with Motorola 68xxx |
| 08:05.21 | maquis | i started on a mac classic |
| 08:05.36 | maquis | never had a windows machine til i came to college |
| 08:05.43 | maquis | 4 months later, i installed linux |
| 08:06.37 | dna3e8 | night |
| 08:06.41 | Hhhhh | night |
| 08:06.46 | Hhhhh | don't take it personal |
| 08:06.51 | Hhhhh | wasn't flaming you |
| 08:07.04 | Hhhhh | just flaming Mac ;) |
| 08:07.07 | maquis | ~flame Hhhhh |
| 08:07.09 | ibot | Hhhhh sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 08:07.11 | dna3e8 | i didn't, every one is entitaled tot ehr opion |
| 08:07.26 | Hhhhh | but mine is right!(TM) j/k |
| 08:07.29 | dna3e8 | ~flame ibot |
| 08:07.30 | ibot | ibot sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 08:26.35 | Hhhhh | http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html |
| 08:26.41 | Hhhhh | I should get one of those |
| 08:26.57 | maquis | haha |
| 08:27.06 | Hhhhh | to show off to the freshmen on campus who wear those Che shirts like if they knew what that meant |
| 08:27.22 | Hhhhh | clueless freshmen trying to look cool |
| 08:29.13 | maquis | stupid frosh |
| 09:47.27 | maquis | ~lart school |
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| 15:00.27 | graphyx | good morning |
| 15:00.34 | graphyx | -weather 72032 |
| 15:00.41 | graphyx | ~weather 72032 |
| 15:02.32 | graphyx | ~weather klrf |
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| 15:35.27 | tensai | curses! foiled again. |
| 15:35.36 | graphyx | tensai: You forgot the mirror. |
| 15:36.06 | tensai | clearly I would never cut it as a super villian |
| 15:37.30 | graphyx | or a super hero |
| 15:37.53 | graphyx | But you have the proper tag lines for being a minor villian. |
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| 15:59.30 | nick125-treo | hi |
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| 16:02.17 | nick125-treo | gah brb |
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| 17:16.10 | harleypig | http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=BR5YDZ1OTBBCACRBAEKSFEY?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=11480446 |
| 17:16.43 | harleypig | Dead Man on side of road (in his car) for 3 days. |
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| 17:44.17 | RyanE | http://www.rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order.php |
| 17:48.31 | maquis | RyanE: you have made my day |
| 17:48.33 | maquis | thank you |
| 17:48.43 | RyanE | glad to be of service. |
| 17:50.08 | RyanE | maquis: btw, I didn't see some of the more offensive items further down on the page. You've been warned. |
| 17:50.36 | maquis | RyanE: ok... thanks |
| 17:50.40 | maquis | haven't gotten there |
| 18:18.16 | levi | maquis: Why are you not at the CS colloquium? |
| 18:18.48 | levi | It's Peter Norvig! |
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| 18:26.29 | SpecialZ | I'm getting paid to be at the CSR meeting with free lunch |
| 18:30.47 | goozbach | hmm lunch |
| 18:38.50 | harleypig | bamboo gingko tripe? |
| 18:38.59 | levi | Ew, tripe. |
| 18:41.42 | harleypig | the last two are priceless |
| 18:51.13 | maquis | levi: have you eaten tripe? |
| 18:51.24 | levi | maquis: Yes, in menudo. |
| 18:51.34 | maquis | harleypig: the last few (with F***) actually have valid reasons for being translated that way... that's the funniest part |
| 18:51.36 | levi | It was unpleasant. |
| 18:51.44 | Jayce^ | anybody who's eaten tripe should have a similar reaction to levi upon hearing it mentioned |
| 18:52.14 | maquis | i've eaten tripe, and i actually didn't find it that bad |
| 18:52.15 | levi | Kind of floaty sheets of thick, gummy tissue. |
| 18:52.41 | maquis | the way i had it, it wasn't quite like that... not sure how to describe it... but it was interesting |
| 18:53.13 | harleypig | maquis: yeah, I read that in the comments. |
| 18:53.14 | maquis | 'twas at the moon festival about a year and a half ago |
| 18:53.15 | levi | I might dislike it less in a different dish, but it was not good in menudo. |
| 18:53.30 | maquis | although, i'd actually eaten it before that... i just don't remember when |
| 18:53.59 | maquis | harleypig: there are a couple reasons... the reason i saw originally is a bit different from the one listed in the comments, but related to something my high school chinese teacher warned us about... |
| 18:54.08 | levi | And the floaty chunks of hominy or whatever it was were unpleasant, too. |
| 18:55.06 | harleypig | maquis: really? what? |
| 18:55.08 | levi | Menudo was one of the few dishes I've eaten that I really found unpleasant. |
| 18:55.20 | harleypig | levi: worse than haggis? |
| 18:55.28 | levi | harleypig: Haven't tried haggis yet. |
| 18:56.16 | maquis | harleypig: let's just say that comments related to eating tofu have sexual connotations in some areas --- my teacher was from taiwan, and she said that at least there, you don't want to make any comments about eating tofu unless you know what you're doing |
| 18:56.21 | harleypig | levi: Don't. Unless it's made the *real* way, with a couple of gallons of whiskey. |
| 18:56.29 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:57.03 | harleypig | maquis: interesting how simple things are so different |
| 18:57.08 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:58.16 | maquis | the funny thing is... missionaries aren't taught about some of these things (that one in particular, i know), before they go over to the country... so there are some great stories about missionaries making comments like "i love to eat tofu" which, in certain connotations, can be understood as "i love to take advantage of women" |
| 19:00.08 | levi | maquis: So, why didn't you go to the Peter Norvig colloquium? |
| 19:00.30 | maquis | levi: unfortunately not |
| 19:00.48 | levi | Tsk. |
| 19:02.36 | maquis | things are going rather sucky at the moment, so i was very happy to have something fun to read for a bit |
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| 19:12.59 | findlay | but it also has to be 7 characters long |
| 19:17.39 | RyanE | findlay: so you can get a vanity phone number to match? |
| 19:22.01 | Tene | four-letter is better |
| 19:22.28 | maquis | 6! |
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| 19:23.08 | graphyx | I like 7 myself |
| 19:23.59 | maquis | but if we did 6, we could condense all the pesky mcnabbs into one nick |
| 19:25.06 | graphyx | they would just go with amcnab, emcnab, and pmcnab |
| 19:25.11 | graphyx | sorry |
| 19:25.52 | amcnabb | I think I missed something. |
| 19:26.38 | maquis | amcnabb: just arguing nick lengths |
| 19:32.21 | amcnabb | Did any of you go to the BYU CS Colloquium today? |
| 19:32.25 | amcnabb | Man, I'm funny. |
| 19:32.55 | maquis | amcnabb: wanted to, but didn't make it... was it good? |
| 19:32.57 | graphyx | I would have liked to. |
| 19:33.06 | graphyx | but that would be quite the drive |
| 19:33.15 | graphyx | only 1400 miles one way. |
| 19:33.30 | amcnabb | We had Peter Norvig, head of search quality and machine learning from Google. |
| 19:33.41 | amcnabb | It was great. |
| 19:34.20 | amcnabb | During Q&A, I asked if he's worried and looking for a new job now that Microsoft says Google's going to be irrelevant in 6 months. |
| 19:35.19 | graphyx | heh.. |
| 19:35.23 | graphyx | I bet that got a couple of laughs |
| 19:35.31 | maquis | haha |
| 19:37.00 | amcnabb | emcnabb asked in Physics 220 a while back what a flux capacitor is. |
| 19:45.24 | findlay | ~char[7] |
| 19:45.26 | ibot | [char[7]] the ideal length of a nick |
| 19:45.35 | Tene | ~char[4] |
| 19:50.40 | findlay | a curl inductor does stuff orthogonal to a flux capacitor |
| 19:51.40 | orthogonal | darn |
| 19:52.15 | amcnabb | findlay, What on earth are you talking about? |
| 19:52.40 | orthogonal | nothing on earth. That's the aesthetic of it |
| 19:55.18 | emcnabb | I prefer findlay |
| 19:56.03 | aesthetic | hey, this nick is not owned, that means I can nick squat on it |
| 19:56.36 | amcnabb | Were you trying to say "That's the beauty of it," or did you really mean, "That's the aesthetic of it" (the latter doesn't make any sense) |
| 19:57.19 | aesthetic | neither does the other phrase. It just makes sense because it's colloquial |
| 19:57.39 | amcnabb | English is very heavy in idioms. |
| 19:57.44 | amcnabb | That's just how it is. |
| 19:57.55 | Tene | and I hate it |
| 19:58.07 | aesthetic | to make people think |
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| 19:58.50 | aesthetic | because idioms become old and banal easily |
| 19:58.57 | emcnabb | i blackboard eat coatrack too |
| 19:59.19 | emcnabb | bit cows seem so groovy |
| 19:59.23 | amcnabb | findlay, You remind me of the guy that wrote, "English as She is Spoke." He had a whole chapter of your "idioms." |
| 19:59.26 | emcnabb | I like making them up too |
| 19:59.29 | emcnabb | to make people think |
| 20:00.13 | aesthetic | idioms are kitsch |
| 20:01.31 | amcnabb | inconceivable |
| 20:01.32 | emcnabb | I guess I'm just dumb then because I don't try to use the largest words I can think of :-( |
| 20:02.14 | amcnabb | Hey, check out http://www.zompist.com/spoke.html |
| 20:02.30 | amcnabb | They ought to add "English As She Is Spoke vs. Babelfish vs. Findlay" |
| 20:03.18 | aesthetic | vs. aesthetic |
| 20:03.30 | aesthetic | ~dict kitsch |
| 20:03.33 | emcnabb | amcnabb: I got a copy of the book for Christmas |
| 20:03.37 | emcnabb | it's a classic |
| 20:03.38 | aesthetic | ~dict 2 kitsch |
| 20:03.44 | aesthetic | ~dict 3 kitsch |
| 20:03.49 | amcnabb | emcnabb, I did too. :) |
| 20:04.08 | aesthetic | annoying similies entries |
| 20:04.16 | amcnabb | Idioms are not supposed to be art--it's just how you say things. |
| 20:04.40 | aesthetic | there's no aesthetic in idioms |
| 20:04.56 | emcnabb | will you stop using the word "aesthetic" |
| 20:04.58 | emcnabb | please? |
| 20:05.14 | aesthetic | with my nick as aesthetic, it's so much easier to say aesthetic, because it's a tab completion now. See: amcnabb |
| 20:05.34 | aesthetic | s/amcnabb/aesthetic |
| 20:05.35 | amcnabb | aesthetic: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" |
| 20:06.16 | aesthetic | everybody should change their nicks to commonly used words, so we don't have to type everything out, just hit tab |
| 20:06.41 | emcnabb | thank you |
| 20:06.42 | emcnabb | back to work |
| 20:07.07 | findlay | emcnabb: glad to provide a diversion from work |
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| 20:30.40 | Tene | I love that link. |
| 20:30.50 | Tene | it's not often you see !s in a url. |
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| 20:34.52 | Hhhhh | W00T! NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX |
| 20:42.41 | graphyx | did you just buy one? |
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| 21:08.01 | Hhhhh | no |
| 21:08.02 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 21:08.02 | Hhhhh | they're not out yet, and I don't have $500+ for a vcard ATM |
| 21:08.03 | Hhhhh | I can make do with my two GeForce 6600GT 128MB in SLI fopr now |
| 21:09.52 | graphyx | I still make do with my Geforce4 Ti 4200 64Meg |
| 21:10.16 | graphyx | The funny thing is that I got that about 3 years ago for around $80 |
| 21:10.36 | graphyx | and now you can only get the 128 meg ones and they are about the same price. |
| 21:10.39 | Hhhhh | cheaper actually |
| 21:10.46 | Hhhhh | 6200 is about $70 |
| 21:10.59 | graphyx | the 6200 is the turbo Cache ones aren't they? |
| 21:11.07 | Jayce^ | graphyx, just got rid of the same kind of card in December... was a good card |
| 21:11.10 | graphyx | s/is/are/ |
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| 21:13.02 | graphyx | What is the best PCI (not PCIe) video cards at this point? |
| 21:13.08 | graphyx | I need one that will do dual display. |
| 21:13.43 | Darkslider | gForce4 or something like that. |
| 21:13.53 | Darkslider | 256 meg card. . . |
| 21:14.10 | unum | so I heard a story about RMS that sounded like a corrupt version of what happened at USU, only in this story it happened at Weber. |
| 21:14.11 | Darkslider | Dual monitor +TVout |
| 21:14.23 | unum | does anyone know if he ever spoke at weber, I don't think so |
| 21:14.36 | findlay | dataw0lf, tensai: <ctrl>+w w will switch window panes if you only have two |
| 21:15.17 | Tene | what happened at USU? |
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| 21:16.14 | unum | they (I was there but not part of the club at this point) were giving away non-free books before his speech, and when he got there(I escorted him to the room) he made them stop giving out the books. |
| 21:17.05 | unum | he also chewed someone out for giving out caldera linux cd(because they contained non-free software) this was in fall of 2000 |
| 21:17.27 | dataw0lf | findlay: ? |
| 21:17.33 | findlay | what do you mean as "non free books"? |
| 21:17.38 | findlay | dataw0lf: in vim |
| 21:18.58 | unum | findlay: you are not free to modify or share them |
| 21:19.07 | jsmith | unum: I was there. I won one of the books |
| 21:19.26 | mrpull-_ | graphyx: why not swap your AGP card for one that supports dualhead? |
| 21:19.27 | jsmith | unum: Or it got handed to me -- I don't quite remember |
| 21:19.40 | unum | jsmith: I know who you are, but when we worked together you were a microsoftie |
| 21:19.50 | mrpull-_ | you might be able to upgrade it for the same price as finding an extra PCI card |
| 21:20.04 | unum | it was before I knew anything about linux and you used to feed me all sorts of misinformation |
| 21:20.36 | dataw0lf | findlay: right. just wondering why you were telling me. |
| 21:20.59 | jsmith | unum: Isn't it nice to know that people can change... |
| 21:21.06 | unum | it is |
| 21:21.17 | findlay | dataw0lf: you told me before on #utah how to do it. (: |
| 21:21.30 | findlay | ~change |
| 21:21.41 | jsmith | unum: I'll admit it -- I was a microsoftie once. I think I've more than proved that I've changed now |
| 21:21.46 | findlay | ibot: you're wierd |
| 21:21.52 | dataw0lf | findlay: oh. hehe. |
| 21:21.56 | Tene | ~xlsqbq |
| 21:23.55 | findlay | ibot: you are also wierd |
| 21:23.57 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 21:24.03 | findlay | ibot: ibot are also wierd |
| 21:24.04 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, findlay |
| 21:24.33 | Tene | ibot: findlay are also ibot is wierd |
| 21:24.34 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 21:25.19 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 21:25.21 | ibot | methinks findlay is wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is wierd |
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| 21:37.53 | jlp_work | or both? |
| 21:40.14 | graphyx | mrpull-_: Different machines |
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| 22:11.49 | Tene | I hate php. |
| 22:11.51 | Tene | ~lart php |
| 22:11.53 | Tene | ~zap php |
| 22:11.55 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives php a good jolt. |
| 22:11.58 | Tene | ~kill php |
| 22:11.59 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged graviton gun at php |
| 22:12.05 | Tene | ~cook php |
| 22:12.06 | ibot | ACTION throws php in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks php on 350 for an hour |
| 22:12.07 | Tene | ~fry php |
| 22:12.09 | ibot | ACTION grabs php and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 22:12.11 | Tene | ~funkybomb php |
| 22:12.12 | ibot | ACTION blows away php in a psychedelic flash |
| 22:12.13 | nick125 | ~kill speakeasy's overinflated long distance rates |
| 22:12.14 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxelectron gun at speakeasy's overinflated long distance rates |
| 22:12.15 | Tene | ~bfg php |
| 22:12.58 | findlay | ~bzfrag php |
| 22:12.59 | ibot | ACTION squishes php with a steamroller |
| 22:13.14 | findlay | ~travolta php? |
| 22:13.15 | ibot | ACTION replaces php with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 22:17.36 | lars-ut | Windows folks can't play back the latest tv episodes - include an extra 1.4 MB on any DVDs/CDs you might burn for them with a good codec pack: |
| 22:17.49 | lars-ut | K-Lite Codec Pack 2.70 BASIC version |
| 22:18.05 | Tene | I've had good experiences with defilerpack |
| 22:18.12 | lars-ut | http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_Lite_Codec_Pack.htm |
| 22:18.13 | nick125 | This horrible hold music.. |
| 22:18.27 | lars-ut | defilerpack won't work with some of the newer Lost eps |
| 22:18.27 | Tene | http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/ |
| 22:18.33 | Tene | 'kay |
| 22:18.52 | RyanE | if my friend needs it, I'll get it. Thanks for the pointer. |
| 22:18.54 | lars-ut | I didn't notice it until the 2nd season of Lost |
| 22:18.57 | lars-ut | np |
| 22:30.35 | lars-ut | http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11105989 |
| 22:31.08 | lars-ut | Costco HP dv8000z 17" W AMD Turion 64 2.0GHz 1GB 240GB DVDRW |
| 23:21.50 | diesel_ | Where does the Turion fit in the line of the AMD processors? |
| 23:22.01 | Jayce^ | mobile amd 64 |
| 23:22.22 | RyanE | after Duron and Sempron, alphabetically. |
| 23:22.32 | RyanE | oh, and Athlon. |
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