| 00:00.15 | findlay | goozbach: where are you going? |
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| 00:01.31 | elg | -weather kpvu |
| 00:01.34 | elg | -weather klru |
| 00:01.51 | elg | ~weather klru |
| 00:31.16 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
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| 03:45.13 | goozbach | what I do? |
| 03:50.13 | goozbach | oh I'm moving to florida |
| 03:50.14 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 03:50.15 | maquis | :) |
| 03:50.30 | maquis | where's brac? |
| 03:51.01 | Tene | ~lart maquis |
| 04:19.54 | levi | Gah, been out of the house all afternoon. |
| 04:20.53 | xbmodder_lappy | :_( |
| 04:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Most people consider that a good thing ;) |
| 04:22.50 | levi | I'm an introvert; being around too many people exhausts me. |
| 04:23.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 04:24.06 | xbmodder_lappy | grr |
| 04:24.10 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm |
| 04:24.32 | xbmodder_lappy | 10 more months exactly until I can get my liscense |
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| 04:37.43 | flyboy^ | Hi all, I'm kind of poking around for a cheap ded server for personal use. The projects are semi-serious so I don't mind paying for a decent datacenter, but obviously I don't have $1200/year to spend on it. |
| 04:37.50 | flyboy^ | Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 04:38.13 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, whats the max budget |
| 04:38.15 | maquis | ded == dedicated? or something else? |
| 04:38.21 | xbmodder_lappy | and what kind of systems do these run on |
| 04:38.27 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, yeah dedicated servers. |
| 04:38.29 | flyboy^ | dedicated. $65-$99. |
| 04:38.36 | xbmodder_lappy | thats.. err... cheap |
| 04:38.46 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, like CPU speed, RAM, etc? |
| 04:38.48 | flyboy^ | I've found a few for $70 that looked kind of promising. |
| 04:38.59 | xbmodder_lappy | and bandwidth |
| 04:39.08 | flyboy^ | I don't care a lick about CPU, RAM. Give me a PIII800 with 256 and I'm happy. :) |
| 04:39.11 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:39.14 | xbmodder_lappy | and bandwidth |
| 04:39.22 | flyboy^ | bandwidth - I use maybe 10G a month. |
| 04:39.26 | ScytheBlade1 | oh lol |
| 04:39.29 | xbmodder_lappy | get a VPS |
| 04:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I read "ded" as "DVD" |
| 04:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I was slightly confused |
| 04:39.39 | flyboy^ | I've thought about a VPS - believe me. |
| 04:39.50 | xbmodder_lappy | why not? |
| 04:39.52 | flyboy^ | I want the security and total privacy of seperated hardware. |
| 04:40.09 | xbmodder_lappy | there are some VPSes out there that do like -- what? 50Gigs for 10 bucks a month |
| 04:40.30 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, encrypt the hard drive... |
| 04:41.24 | flyboy^ | I really don't mind paying for a dedicated server, I just was wondering if someone had a similar situation. |
| 04:41.29 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, I did |
| 04:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Isn't that kinda self-defeating when you don't have physical access to the box...? |
| 04:41.39 | xbmodder_lappy | I found it _much_ cheaper to colocate. |
| 04:42.08 | flyboy^ | It is, that is true. If only I had 1u hardware kicking around my house. ;) |
| 04:42.14 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:42.25 | xbmodder_lappy | get a VPS |
| 04:43.05 | xbmodder_lappy | We can coordinate with you in order to encrypt your hard drive and files if you would like. |
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| 04:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, isn't that self-defeating when you don't have physical access to the box? |
| 04:43.42 | flyboy^ | xbmodder_lappy: 'We'? |
| 04:44.32 | flyboy^ | Hosting solutions can get complicated.... Let's just say that until I find a place where I know and trust the admins hosting my VPS accocunt - I'm less inclinced to go that route. |
| 04:44.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, you basically get all the pros of a colo, but you don't have to pay for hardware |
| 04:44.48 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, Me, and my partner. |
| 04:45.01 | ScytheBlade1 | no no no. I mean the encryption. |
| 04:45.15 | flyboy^ | xbmodder_lappy: Would you mind a /msg to disucss the details? |
| 04:45.25 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, join #atarack please |
| 04:47.10 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder, curious about encrypted HDs in a VPS.. |
| 04:47.57 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, we encrypt the partition |
| 04:48.07 | xbmodder_lappy | that way we really cannot touch the system |
| 04:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | So how does it boot? With what key, and how is the key provided? |
| 04:48.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Well we have two options |
| 04:49.12 | xbmodder_lappy | the data partition is encrypted |
| 04:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay.. |
| 04:49.41 | xbmodder_lappy | We can also encrypt the / and setup a remote boot system |
| 04:50.09 | ScytheBlade1 | So... in answer to my two questions...? |
| 04:50.50 | xbmodder_lappy | the key through the web interface that we can tailor to your needs |
| 04:51.27 | ScytheBlade1 | In other words, "we're still working on that"? |
| 04:52.36 | xbmodder_lappy | Yeah... |
| 04:52.41 | xbmodder_lappy | We planned for it |
| 04:52.51 | xbmodder_lappy | So far no customer has had a request for it. |
| 04:53.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Honest question: have you ever encrypted HDs before that you boot from? |
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| 04:55.08 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, I've done it with physical access |
| 04:55.21 | xbmodder_lappy | its just doing it remotely is ugly |
| 04:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, okay, you have two options end result |
| 04:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Entire partition is encrypted (file mounted -o loop I'm assuming) |
| 04:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Mount it decrypted, which defeats the point... he wants isolated from everything else, and here it's mounted in the plain |
| 04:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Or two |
| 04:58.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Boot the kernel, and in the VPS, have an initrd which in turn decrypts and mounts |
| 04:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ... in which case the key is stored in the initrd or some other publically accessible place. |
| 04:58.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is also self-defeating. |
| 04:59.37 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, the one which we have had success with is that the root is in the clear |
| 04:59.58 | xbmodder_lappy | and then he logs into the VPS and streams the key via SSH for unlocking the partition. |
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| 05:00.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But uh |
| 05:00.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The initrd still contains everything needed to connect |
| 05:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | erm, read that wrong |
| 05:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | So in other words, no automated reboots? |
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| 06:21.16 | mheath | So, I'm still getting used to a manual transmission |
| 06:21.47 | mheath | Note to self: No Gear + No Parking Break != Automatic Transmissions "Park" position + No parking Break |
| 06:23.17 | mheath | I managed to quite literally lose my car. |
| 06:28.33 | mheath | ~USA |
| 06:28.36 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, usa is a degraded toilet roll that has been laying on the piss soking toilet matt for 10years, or a continent with a large amount of crack addicts |
| 06:28.44 | mheath | ...... |
| 06:29.43 | mheath | ibot: No, USA is a world superpower led by a two house Congressional government, judiciary, and President George W. Bush or The United States Army. |
| 06:29.44 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 06:29.59 | mheath | ~USA |
| 06:30.00 | ibot | hmm... usa is a world superpower led by a two house Congressional government, judiciary, and President George W. Bush or The United States Army. |
| 06:38.51 | findlay | ibot: hi |
| 06:38.53 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 06:41.24 | mheath | ~lart The US Army |
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| 06:45.16 | findlay | ~brick |
| 06:45.17 | ibot | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq |
| 06:45.23 | findlay | ~ipaq |
| 06:45.24 | ibot | rumour has it, ipaq is a Strongarm based PDA with 206Mhz CPU and 32Mb RAM. http://www.compaq.com/products/handhelds/pocketpc/ and is also available in 64 meg version, or xscale-based nowadays. It is also now available in a 128mb version. |
| 06:45.28 | findlay | ~version |
| 06:45.29 | ibot | from memory, version is sarge 3.1 |
| 06:45.36 | findlay | ~sarge |
| 06:45.39 | ibot | somebody said sarge was Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 06:45.46 | findlay | ~releasenotes |
| 06:46.03 | findlay | see! What did I tell you? |
| 07:04.21 | levi | Good evening. |
| 07:04.27 | maquis | levi: morning :) |
| 07:05.01 | levi | maquis: The sun is down and I have yet to go to bed, therefore it is evening in my world. ;) |
| 07:05.23 | maquis | :) |
| 07:05.34 | levi | What's goin' on? |
| 07:05.42 | maquis | levi: so, if you don't go to bed, does it not become morning until the sun comes up?? |
| 07:06.00 | levi | maquis: Yup, that's pretty much how it works. |
| 07:06.00 | findlay | Vaughn-Williams' first symphony is much different from his more well known works |
| 07:06.41 | maquis | levi: ah... cool |
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| 07:07.36 | levi | The sun doesn't have to rise all the way for morning to start, it starts at the beginning of dawn. |
| 07:08.07 | maquis | ah |
| 07:08.19 | findlay | Dawn: Eos, Arora |
| 07:09.14 | levi | Who does like chem homework? |
| 07:09.26 | maquis | hopefully chem majors |
| 07:09.39 | levi | Do you like CS homework? |
| 07:09.44 | maquis | sometimes.. |
| 07:09.47 | maquis | depends on what it is |
| 07:09.56 | maquis | i've had some cool chem homework |
| 07:09.58 | maquis | er |
| 07:10.00 | maquis | cs homework |
| 07:10.40 | maquis | levi: did you never have cs homework that you enjoyed? |
| 07:11.35 | levi | maquis: Of course, I did enjoy some of the homework. In general, though, I do not enjoy homework. |
| 07:12.01 | maquis | true |
| 07:12.01 | levi | maquis: I think it is also conceivable that there may exist some chemistry homework assignment you might enjoy. |
| 07:12.22 | maquis | i think for me, the projects were pretty enjoyable, unless they were late and stressing me out |
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| 16:05.44 | emcnabb | morning all |
| 16:26.29 | linuxalien | morning |
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| 16:41.14 | dna3e8 | hi |
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| 16:49.11 | linuxalien | working so I get busy |
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| 18:38.55 | goozbach | ibot: -x? |
| 19:05.04 | findlay | ibot: 0x - x = -x; |
| 20:32.47 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
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