| 00:02.30 | xbmodder_lappy | Has anyone in here, or does anyone in here work for SCO? |
| 00:03.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Maybe through my charm one will show their true self. |
| 00:04.05 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 00:04.07 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Yes. Someone in here has worked or is currently working for SCO... It's up to you to figure out who... |
| 00:04.08 | Bradipo | Tene: Touche |
| 00:04.37 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: In fact, there are at least *two* people in this channel that fall into that category |
| 00:04.48 | xbmodder_lappy | **currently work for SCO |
| 00:04.52 | Tene | That means that I win. :D |
| 00:04.55 | Bradipo | I currently work for SCO. |
| 00:05.11 | xbmodder_lappy | ~fish self |
| 00:05.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps self around with a large trout |
| 00:05.17 | Bradipo | There are others in here that have also worked for SCO in the past. |
| 00:05.36 | Bradipo | Not sure if anyone else in here is currently employed by SCO. |
| 00:05.50 | xbmodder_lappy | I just realized that this was #utah... Sco's HQ land. |
| 00:08.24 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 00:08.37 | Bradipo | emcnabb: I think sjansen left... |
| 00:08.58 | emcnabb | crud |
| 00:09.05 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 00:09.11 | emcnabb | ~lart goozbach |
| 00:09.42 | goozbach | (on someone else's dime that is) |
| 00:10.28 | emcnabb | buy gift certificates with left over per-diem money :-) |
| 00:11.02 | goozbach | WHY didn't I think of that? |
| 00:11.06 | goozbach | thanks |
| 00:11.11 | goozbach | geez... |
| 00:11.15 | goozbach | :) |
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| 00:27.35 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: hey.. |
| 00:28.35 | xbmodder_lappy | hi |
| 00:30.18 | nick125_ | i need to setup QoS on my network |
| 00:30.22 | xbmodder_lappy | Feb 28 16:34:38 Received a malformed qdomain from 66.36.226.110, '69.64/27.188.147.64.in-addr.arpa': dropping |
| 00:30.25 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 00:30.27 | nick125_ | traceroute to dns.dfw1.speakeasy.net (64.81.127.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 er1.dfw1.speakeasy.net (66.93.220.1) 77.617 ms 77.771 ms 134.704 ms 2 220.ge-0-1-0.cr2.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.237) 207.400 ms 253.996 ms 128.018 ms 3 dns.dfw1.speakeasy.net (64.81.127.2) 76.711 ms 208.892 ms 81.697 ms |
| 00:30.37 | xbmodder_lappy | holy-crap |
| 00:31.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ping google.com |
| 00:32.23 | nick125_ | hold on |
| 00:32.28 | nick125_ | *pauses bittorrent* |
| 00:32.30 | xbmodder_lappy | 64 bytes from 69.12.172.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=12.6 ms |
| 00:32.33 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 00:33.05 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate LEVEL3 |
| 00:33.16 | nick125_ | googles internal network is like...slow |
| 00:33.18 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.19 | xbmodder_lappy | 10 as-3-0.bbr1.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.3.254) 89.216 ms as-3-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.68.128.206) 87.430 ms 89.477 ms |
| 00:33.20 | xbmodder_lappy | Yeah |
| 00:33.22 | xbmodder_lappy | ping digg.com |
| 00:33.33 | nick125_ | 64 bytes from xbmodder.us (69.12.172.152): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=136 ms |
| 00:33.40 | xbmodder_lappy | ping digg.com |
| 00:34.00 | nick125_ | 64 bytes from www.digg.com (64.191.203.30): icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=123 ms |
| 00:34.20 | nick125_ | 64 bytes from 64.147.188.69: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=124 ms |
| 00:34.47 | xbmodder_lappy | HAH |
| 00:34.55 | nick125_ | better then 110ms to first hop.. |
| 00:34.59 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf... |
| 00:35.00 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:35.04 | xbmodder_lappy | --- digg.com ping statistics --- |
| 00:35.04 | xbmodder_lappy | 84 packets transmitted, 82 received, 2% packet loss, time 83328ms |
| 00:35.04 | xbmodder_lappy | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 14.689/18.216/101.857/9.401 ms |
| 00:35.06 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:35.28 | nick125_ | lol |
| 00:35.45 | nick125_ | covad has 8/1 service, just no one sells it |
| 00:35.55 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 00:36.00 | nick125_ | yeah.. |
| 00:36.04 | xbmodder_lappy | 64 bytes from www.digg.com (64.191.203.30): icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=0.000 ms |
| 00:36.11 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 00:36.13 | nick125_ | right.. |
| 00:36.17 | xbmodder_lappy | from the colo |
| 00:36.44 | nick125_ | its impossible..i dont even get that over 127.0.01 |
| 00:36.47 | nick125_ | *127.0.0.1 |
| 00:36.48 | nick125_ | 542 : LPVA-IP TeleSOHO 8.0/1.0 (Professional-Install) |
| 00:36.48 | nick125_ | 543 : LPVA-IP TeleSOHO 8.0/1.0 (Self-Install) |
| 00:36.49 | nick125_ | 544 : LPVA-IP TeleSOHO 8.0/1.0 (Access Only) |
| 00:37.40 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 00:37.44 | nick125_ | yay good job Hhhhh |
| 00:37.48 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 00:37.55 | nick125_ | don't ask where im finding this info :p |
| 00:37.57 | xbmodder_lappy | 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.000 ms |
| 00:38.02 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, where? |
| 00:38.02 | Hhhhh | DirectX is very nice, but for research it's just better to stick to OpenGL |
| 00:38.28 | Hhhhh | if I write my code in OpenGL and SDL, then I can just run it anywhere |
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| 01:10.44 | Tene | Hhhhhello! |
| 01:12.20 | emcnabb | Hhhhhows it going? |
| 01:13.51 | amcnabb | quit |
| 01:29.08 | Hhhhh | hi |
| 01:29.10 | Hhhhh | very well |
| 01:31.52 | emcnabb | Hhhhhappy to Hhhhhear |
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| 01:55.57 | Tene | ~kill maquis |
| 01:55.58 | ibot | ACTION shoots a charged anti-tachyon gun at maquis |
| 01:56.05 | maquis | :( |
| 01:56.09 | Tene | ~revive maquis |
| 01:56.10 | maquis | and i was just so excited to be alive |
| 01:56.18 | Tene | ~alive maquis |
| 01:56.23 | Tene | ~resurrect maquis |
| 01:56.37 | Tene | ~unkill maquis |
| 01:56.46 | Tene | crap |
| 01:57.28 | maquis | why are you the one saying "crap"? at least you're still alive |
| 01:58.36 | nick125_ | lol |
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| 01:58.54 | Tene | Yeah, that means that I still digest. |
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| 02:41.08 | maquis | ok... this is *really* bugging me |
| 02:42.13 | maquis | there are a couple IP addresses that visit my site a number of times each day, all of which are from random areas of the country, and all of which are comcast IPs. Each of them *only* gets the index.php, none of the other files... and there's always at least one that comes about once an hour, along with a couple of others who come sporadically |
| 02:42.24 | maquis | the one that comes once an hour changes from day to day |
| 02:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | What's on your site? |
| 02:42.33 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: not a whole lot |
| 02:42.39 | maquis | http://www.tuxgirl.com |
| 02:42.40 | brac | [TuxGirl.com] |
| 02:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm tempted to say spammers, in all honesty |
| 02:43.50 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: why would spammers visit my site on a semi-hourly basis? |
| 02:43.55 | maquis | there's nothing to spam |
| 02:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask them why they visit my wiki every few minutes |
| 02:44.25 | maquis | your wiki at least has someplace for them to post something, i'm guessing |
| 02:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Had. |
| 02:44.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=500 |
| 02:44.41 | maquis | i don't see why the same IP would repeatedly come to someplace where there's noplace to post |
| 02:45.10 | mrpull-x | maquis: it could be zombies looking for vulnerable php configs (tho they usually look for xmlrpc php apps) |
| 02:45.24 | maquis | mrpull-x: i get lots of those... block them... |
| 02:45.36 | maquis | but these guys are doing nothing but "GET / HTTP/1.0" |
| 02:45.43 | maquis | and then leaving for an hour or two or three |
| 02:45.52 | mrpull-x | could be fans :) |
| 02:46.33 | mrpull-x | HTTP/1.0 indicates they are probably not using a full featured browser |
| 02:46.35 | maquis | mrpull-x: a bunch of fans in random areas of the US, who *all* use links or something like that, because they never need to get a stylesheet or the images or anything else |
| 02:47.29 | mrpull-x | i've gotten good at ignoring stuff like that. |
| 02:47.39 | maquis | mrpull-x: yeah... it just is annoying |
| 02:47.46 | maquis | because i like getting *real* hits to my site... |
| 02:47.51 | maquis | none of these fake things |
| 02:48.32 | mrpull-x | what do you use to parse your stats? |
| 02:48.44 | maquis | mrpull-x: tail and screen :) |
| 02:49.05 | maquis | i just keep an eye on it to see what's going on, watch for people who come from google to see if i was helpful to anyone... get excited if i was |
| 02:49.17 | maquis | my traffic's pretty low, aside from these weird comcast hits |
| 02:49.20 | mrpull-x | heh. take a look at awstats. then you can tell it to ignore what you dont care about. |
| 02:49.30 | maquis | true |
| 02:49.54 | maquis | i do like to see the script kiddies so i can block them... |
| 02:49.59 | maquis | but... yeah... |
| 02:49.59 | findlay | maquis: how are you helpful? |
| 02:50.10 | mrpull-x | but make sure not to make awstats publically available (it is insecure and can lead to spam too) |
| 02:50.19 | maquis | findlay: if their google search is for something that i have the answer to, that makes me happy :) |
| 02:50.26 | maquis | because my website answered their question |
| 02:51.03 | mrpull-x | awstats will tell you what search engine sent your user as well as the search terms |
| 02:51.06 | findlay | what do you run your site on? |
| 02:51.12 | mrpull-x | and summarize it |
| 02:51.38 | maquis | findlay: it's on the machine sitting on my desk in my apartment :) |
| 02:51.48 | findlay | so, FreeBSD? |
| 02:51.51 | maquis | nope |
| 02:51.52 | maquis | debian |
| 02:51.57 | maquis | freebsd is my laptop |
| 02:52.00 | findlay | apache? |
| 02:52.05 | maquis | yup |
| 02:52.13 | findlay | I've had a lot of trouble with apache lately |
| 02:52.17 | maquis | really/ |
| 02:52.21 | maquis | what kinda trouble? |
| 02:52.35 | findlay | I'll have to talk to you about it later when I have some time |
| 02:55.45 | maquis | findlay: cool |
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| 03:00.48 | nick125 | terminal just..crashed |
| 03:00.50 | nick125 | for no reason |
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| 03:12.56 | elg | what the |
| 03:13.04 | maquis | the |
| 03:13.25 | elg | SCO... I can't do it justice, you just have to read this http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/4047/midilib-0.8.5.tgz |
| 03:13.41 | elg | i'm so stupefied I'm at a loss for witty things to say |
| 03:14.10 | maquis | neither would be outside my imagination |
| 03:14.13 | elg | perhaps both |
| 03:14.36 | elg | basically, sco announced they're going to make gobs of money now with a MLM scheme |
| 03:14.37 | maquis | elg: ummm... is that the link you intended to post? |
| 03:14.43 | elg | oh no |
| 03:14.47 | Tene | erm... what's so interesting about midilib? |
| 03:14.47 | elg | sorry |
| 03:14.47 | elg | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060227094900663 |
| 03:14.50 | brac | [GROKLAW] |
| 03:14.57 | elg | it's very interestnig, but has nothing to do with sco :) |
| 03:15.01 | maquis | :) |
| 03:15.04 | maquis | that's what i thought |
| 03:15.21 | elg | afaict Me, Inc. is a self-propogating MLM |
| 03:15.25 | elg | a worm |
| 03:15.29 | maquis | oh... i just saw this on bloglines... but it didn't link to groklaw |
| 03:15.42 | elg | I saw it on /. |
| 03:16.56 | elg | self-propogating MLM mobile-device spamming worm, trademarking the word Me. could they possibly be more evil? |
| 03:17.13 | maquis | :) |
| 03:17.28 | maquis | elg: well... if you add that on top of what they've already done, no |
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| 03:17.36 | maquis | but that alone is nothing compared to what theyv'e done already |
| 03:18.08 | elg | this is completely unrelated evil to their past work |
| 03:18.10 | maquis | and... on the positive/negative side, it looks like they're finally realizing that they need to have *something* besides lawsuits to support the company |
| 03:18.22 | elg | this took conscious evil search |
| 03:18.36 | elg | there's always more though. there's the RIAA |
| 03:19.08 | maquis | true |
| 03:19.14 | maquis | so... i'm wondering... |
| 03:19.34 | maquis | are sco, the riaa, the mpaa, etc all fighting over who gets to be the most evil? |
| 03:20.38 | maquis | Quantum Computing Just Got More Bizarre |
| 03:20.39 | maquis | By schneier |
| 03:20.39 | maquis | You don't even have to turn it on: |
| 03:20.40 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.50 | maquis | original design and built a non-running quantum computer that really works. |
| 03:21.42 | elg | yeah, that blows my mind |
| 03:21.51 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.54 | maquis | Well, sort of voluntarily: |
| 03:21.54 | elg | so just how far do you have to go? do you even have to build it? |
| 03:21.56 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.59 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.09 | maquis | erm... what definition of the word "voluntary" did i not understand? |
| 03:32.55 | maquis | "SCO is simultaneously launching the Me(TM) Inc. Sales Agent Program, in which individual subscribers of SCO's Me Inc. suite of rich mobility services earn lucrative recurring commissions for bringing new Me Inc. service subscribers into the EdgeClick ecosystem." <-- isn't that kinda what a pyramid scheme is? |
| 03:33.29 | Tene | with a not-so-secret tomb filled with buzzwordy-treasures! |
| 03:33.45 | maquis | Hello Friend! My name is Darl McBride, and I am the president of a major international corporation. Recently our company was overpaid for a large government contract, and we are looking for a partner to help transfer the sum of $15,000,000 into the United States... |
| 03:33.58 | RyanE | lars-ut-away: if you can read this, I can't make it, so start without me. :) |
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| 04:09.02 | maquis | goozbach: ping? |
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| 04:10.44 | Tene | ~ping |
| 04:10.45 | ibot | pong |
| 04:10.49 | Tene | ~ping maquis |
| 04:10.50 | ibot | pong maquis |
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| 04:15.03 | goozbach | pong |
| 04:15.25 | goozbach | but for jst a few min till the drugs pu me to speep |
| 04:16.04 | goozbach | er sleep |
| 04:16.09 | goozbach | maybe good to go now |
| 04:16.18 | goozbach | while I can still find the bed |
| 04:16.28 | maquis | goozbach: i pm'd you |
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| 04:20.37 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, you there? |
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| 04:48.29 | Tene | ~syn |
| 04:48.31 | ibot | ack |
| 04:48.38 | Tene | ~ack |
| 04:48.39 | ibot | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 04:50.55 | Tene | ~kca |
| 04:50.58 | Tene | ~nys |
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| 05:02.08 | xbmodder_lappy | w00t |
| 05:02.10 | xbmodder_lappy | :-0 |
| 05:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:06.45 | nick125 | LOL |
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| 05:07.35 | atarack2 | :P |
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| 05:18.19 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: you're so dramatic |
| 05:20.06 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:20.38 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:22.28 | findlay | olo |
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| 05:23.28 | maquis | findlay: why do you always have to do everything backwards? |
| 05:23.41 | findlay | uhu? |
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| 05:37.13 | herlo | #s4 |
| 05:38.46 | herlo | free usb drives for everyone. Its off digg.com... I guess you have to answer a few qs about microsoft licensing and send them your spam email address so they can do just that and its free. Of course, you can send it to me if you like: http://www.microsoft.com//windowsxp/mysterysolved/corp/default.mspx |
| 05:39.31 | herlo | takes 6-8 wks but hey, 4 free... |
| 05:39.41 | nick125 | oo free |
| 05:39.50 | levi | Hey, herlo |
| 05:39.57 | herlo | and we can really stick it to m$ too, it'll at least cost em something |
| 05:40.01 | herlo | levi: yeah |
| 05:40.04 | findlay | heh |
| 05:40.22 | herlo | ~lart levi |
| 05:40.28 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:40.33 | levi | ~lart herlo |
| 05:40.40 | herlo | sweet |
| 05:40.43 | herlo | what's up levi? |
| 05:41.15 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, can you setup the looking glass? |
| 05:41.21 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: for what... |
| 05:41.31 | xbmodder_lappy | these tools: |
| 05:41.33 | xbmodder_lappy | for our network |
| 05:41.35 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.sonic.net/stats/ |
| 05:41.36 | brac | [Sonic.net, Inc. Network Stats and Troubleshooting Tools (Sonic.net, Inc.)] |
| 05:42.21 | nick125 | herlo: whats the max quanity hehe |
| 05:42.22 | levi | herlo: I'm just looking at virtual machine implementations that include mechanisms to support preemptive multitasking. |
| 05:42.38 | xbmodder_lappy | # Smokeping Network Latency Monitors |
| 05:42.38 | xbmodder_lappy | # Looking Glass Sonic's BGP Looking Glass |
| 05:42.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Ping & Traceroute Gateways |
| 05:43.24 | herlo | levi: you are an algorithm maniac |
| 05:43.42 | herlo | levi: have you found any good ones? |
| 05:44.19 | levi | Well, the coolest one so far is the scheme48 vm, but I want to find some others as well. |
| 05:44.37 | herlo | what's the vm for? |
| 05:44.47 | herlo | I mean what use do you have for it? |
| 05:45.12 | levi | Well, I want to implement multitasking in the Slate vm. |
| 05:45.29 | herlo | is that your vm? Slate. |
| 05:45.56 | levi | Not my vm, but one I want to implement multitasking in. |
| 05:46.05 | findlay | did you know your computer runs on smoke? Once the smoke comes out, it stops working. |
| 05:46.20 | levi | findlay: Indeed. |
| 05:46.34 | levi | findlay: I've seen the smoke come out before, sometimes quite spectacularly. |
| 05:47.22 | findlay | ~smoke |
| 05:47.23 | ibot | No Im trying to quit. or see also magic smoke |
| 05:47.39 | herlo | findlay: the thing is, once you see the smoke, your computer stops working. You really should try to keep the smoke "in" the computer |
| 05:47.55 | maquis | rinkworks.com/stupid has an entire section on smoke |
| 05:48.09 | maquis | ~magic smoke |
| 05:48.10 | ibot | ACTION gets high by inhaling some magic smoke. |
| 05:48.28 | findlay | ibot: smoke is also what runs your computer and if the smoke escapes, your computer is dead. |
| 05:48.29 | ibot | ACTION smokes is also what runs your computer and if the smoke escapes, your computer is dead. |
| 05:48.39 | findlay | ibot: your dumb |
| 05:48.43 | herlo | ibot: smoke |
| 05:48.45 | ibot | No Im trying to quit. or see also magic smoke |
| 05:48.50 | maquis | ibot: no, smoke is what runs your computer. don't let it out, or the computer won't work |
| 05:48.52 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 05:48.55 | herlo | ibot: smokes |
| 05:49.06 | maquis | ~smoke |
| 05:49.08 | ibot | [smoke] what runs your computer. don't let it out, or the computer won't work |
| 05:49.10 | herlo | ~smokes |
| 05:49.21 | xbmodder_lappy | ~magic smoke |
| 05:49.22 | ibot | ACTION gets high by inhaling some magic smoke. |
| 05:49.39 | herlo | ibot: smoking ganja is fun |
| 05:49.40 | ibot | okay, herlo |
| 05:49.49 | herlo | ~smoking ganja |
| 05:49.51 | ibot | [smoking ganja] fun |
| 06:13.43 | findlay | there's a funny mormon article on slashdot today |
| 06:15.17 | maquis | findlay: the Utah votes "no" to darwin's critics one? |
| 06:15.44 | findlay | yup |
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| 07:03.32 | levi | I have Bach's 'Little Fugue' stuck in my head. |
| 07:32.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here know alot about storage clusters, and getting cheap ones? |
| 07:33.08 | xbmodder_lappy | s/getting/building |
| 07:33.12 | xbmodder_lappy | s/getting/building/ |
| 07:33.18 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 07:33.46 | findlay | ha |
| 07:34.57 | findlay | s/ha/ah/ |
| 07:35.02 | findlay | (: |
| 07:35.11 | findlay | s/(:/:)/ |
| 07:37.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 07:43.12 | findlay | s/..././ |
| 07:52.58 | findlay | s/SOAP/XMLRPC/ |
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| 13:11.41 | elg | sigh. must...grade...papers...not...do...homework |
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| 15:06.25 | emcnabb | morning all |
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| 15:25.25 | goozbach | morning |
| 15:33.04 | maquis | morning |
| 15:33.23 | goozbach | good TEA! |
| 15:35.18 | maquis | goozbach: did you see my pm? i did it... :) |
| 15:36.10 | goozbach | GOOD! |
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| 17:47.24 | brando1 | jayce? |
| 17:47.36 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:50.47 | emcnabb | Jayce^ is a pansy |
| 17:51.07 | Jayce^ | hrm, haven't kicked anyone for a while..... guess it's time again |
| 17:51.27 | emcnabb | pansy power |
| 17:51.37 | Jayce^ | jealous |
| 17:52.02 | emcnabb | you're an evil dictator |
| 17:52.13 | Jayce^ | can't disagree there |
| 17:52.21 | *** kick/#utah [emcnabb!n=goozbach@207.108.175.219] by goozbach (who's evil now) |
| 17:52.27 | goozbach | :) |
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| 17:52.48 | emcnabb | you're all evil |
| 17:53.14 | goozbach | you don't know the power of the dark side... |
| 17:54.36 | goozbach | bravely he ran a way |
| 17:57.12 | emcnabb | I invite people to join me in #jayce-and-goozbach-are-dorks |
| 17:58.45 | goozbach | I'm there now |
| 17:59.25 | emcnabb | haha, I kicked you off! |
| 17:59.30 | emcnabb | who has the power now? |
| 18:00.26 | goozbach | ohh... you kicked me from a channel that no one else was on... :) |
| 18:00.39 | emcnabb | Tene's on it now |
| 18:00.49 | Tene | So I am. |
| 18:01.07 | emcnabb | Tene: you can stay as long as you like |
| 18:01.36 | Tene | Thanks, emcnabb! |
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| 18:03.04 | emcnabb | we talk about "the violence inherent in the system" |
| 18:04.42 | emcnabb | Tene: because of your good behavior, you are now an op |
| 18:07.35 | Tene | sweet |
| 18:21.46 | mrpull- | so when is the plug website going to get updated? |
| 18:22.22 | mrpull- | --crickets-- |
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| 18:23.14 | neybar_work | I would assume as soon as we get a webmaster again |
| 18:23.56 | mrpull- | ~seen sjansen |
| 18:24.01 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 18h 33m 47s ago, saying: 'Multics is also alive and kicking.'. |
| 18:24.21 | mrpull- | isn't stuart the webmaster? |
| 18:26.04 | emcnabb | Jayce^ would have more time to work on it if he wasn't kicking people off of #utah all the time :-) |
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| 19:03.17 | mrpull- | sjansen: are you still the plug webmaster? |
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| 19:07.11 | sjansen | mrpull-: uhmm... well... kinda... yeah, I suppose... |
| 19:07.54 | mrpull- | sjansen: perhaps a more participatory model of editing would promote a more updated website? wiki maybe? |
| 19:08.13 | sjansen | More correct would be to say "of all the poeople currently ignore Plug Web site, I most recently touched it and still have the needed password (somewhere)". |
| 19:08.52 | mrpull- | that sounds more accurate :) |
| 19:09.03 | sjansen | Maybe, but I doubt it. I don't want to deal with wiki spam. And one of the big problems is Jayce^ keeping meeting topics secret. |
| 19:09.31 | mrpull- | ahhh... i see that it must be Jayce^'s fault ;-) |
| 19:10.51 | mrpull- | perhaps a wiki with lots of moderators? |
| 19:11.15 | sjansen | I have a dream for the plug web site: working feeds, an icalendar people can subscribe to, and information about related groups' meetings. |
| 19:11.48 | sjansen | I've been working on such a best off and on for awhile now. With a little more push it'll be ready to start using. |
| 19:11.49 | mrpull- | sjansen: rss feeds |
| 19:12.09 | mrpull- | just put an animated "under construction" gif on it and post it |
| 19:12.15 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:12.18 | mrpull- | it'd be better than several months out of date |
| 19:12.24 | sjansen | If you know python and want to help, I'd welcome it. |
| 19:13.12 | sjansen | Alternatively, if you want to become the new Web master, install and configure a wiki, I'd welcome that too. |
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| 19:15.46 | mrpull- | i need a project to get me past "hello world" in python |
| 19:15.59 | mrpull- | that sounds like fun. why not open it up for everybody to contribute? |
| 19:19.50 | sjansen | I will once I have something interesting. So far, I'm just past the "check the most critical moving parts to make sure they can get the job done" stage. Just barely started plugging stuff together. |
| 19:21.02 | mrpull- | are you using an existing web framework or building from scratch? |
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| 19:27.51 | sjansen | Haven't decided. The most important part to me is the calendar. Specifically recurring events so that even if I don't register an event, the calendar will say when a meeting _should_ be happening. |
| 19:31.53 | sjansen | Just to get something out the door, I'm using an .ical managed by evolution. Combine that with vobject, dateutil, cheetah and markdown.py I can render static pages. |
| 19:32.23 | sjansen | I've got a calendar with every utah groups I know of that holds regular meetings. Planning on hosting the calendar on devutah.org |
| 19:32.54 | sjansen | Creating a version that only shows Plug events will be trivial from there. |
| 19:33.32 | sjansen | With that done, the next step would be a Web interface a single person could use to manage the calendar instead of using Evolution. |
| 19:33.58 | sjansen | After that, start adding authentication and access control so that individual groups could manage the calendar. |
| 19:34.24 | sjansen | ... |
| 19:35.19 | sjansen | I guess this is the first public announcement seeking people interested in helping. Although I was planning on having something minimal and working first. |
| 19:51.46 | mrpull- | sjansen: sounds awesome |
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| 20:45.11 | findlay | that's wierd. I plugged in a usb cord and my computer rebooted |
| 20:45.23 | dna3e8 | what os |
| 20:45.42 | findlay | Linux 2.6.16-rc4 |
| 20:54.04 | findlay | the cord was plugged into a printer, but it didn't even have power |
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| 20:56.59 | RyanE | I had a neighbor blow a motherboard by someone plugging in a USB cable to an external HD |
| 20:57.17 | RyanE | literally blew a hole in the north bridge (or is it south bridge -- the one without a heatsink) chip. |
| 21:04.41 | Uncle_Jesse | all right - I need some sendmail help |
| 21:05.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to get sendmail to "send mail" just locally on a server I host from |
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| 21:05.55 | xbmodder | Hey nick125, sup? |
| 21:05.59 | nick125 | xbmodder: hi |
| 21:06.17 | xbmodder | nick125: I got us a job-ish thing. |
| 21:06.18 | nick125 | xbmodder: did you get my text message? |
| 21:06.21 | xbmodder | Yeah |
| 21:06.33 | Uncle_Jesse | It tries to send, but then returns to root@localhost saying it couldn't send to (alias)@(mylocalmachine), which isn't where I was trying to send it to |
| 21:06.46 | Uncle_Jesse | I was trying to send it to (alias)@(mydomain) |
| 21:06.57 | Uncle_Jesse | any ideas? |
| 21:06.59 | xbmodder | who? |
| 21:07.11 | nick125 | xbmodder: ill get him to go into PM or something |
| 21:07.26 | nick125 | or #******* [replace the * with the channel name] |
| 21:07.37 | xbmodder | #atarack |
| 21:08.34 | xbmodder | nick125: I know some one whose dad monitors her, and she needs to get past the Content Monitoring System. |
| 21:08.45 | xbmodder | any ideas of what would be _simple_ |
| 21:08.50 | xbmodder | for Mac OS X? |
| 21:09.46 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: not that I'm for that, but Knoppix? |
| 21:10.03 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: install postfix? |
| 21:10.12 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: smart alec :-P |
| 21:10.29 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: of course, that's assuming he doesn't monitor on the network |
| 21:10.34 | nick125 | xbmodder: interesting.. |
| 21:10.37 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: he does. |
| 21:10.56 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: get her own router and put it before his - that's the only good way |
| 21:11.01 | nick125 | use an alternate gateway? obfusiate the traffic? use a uber leet encryption/decryption system? |
| 21:11.08 | Tene | vpn |
| 21:11.19 | Uncle_Jesse | what's she doing that she doesn't want her dad to know? |
| 21:11.35 | RyanE | ssh tunnel all traffic? |
| 21:11.37 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: Yeah, do you know of any cheap routers that I can get linux on? |
| 21:11.48 | xbmodder | RyanE, she != geek |
| 21:11.51 | nick125 | xbmodder: linksys w54g or something |
| 21:11.59 | Tene | then she's lame. |
| 21:12.01 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: most routers these days are fairly cheap |
| 21:12.04 | Uncle_Jesse | check ebay |
| 21:12.11 | nick125 | xbmodder: but you could make a small python UI that would initiate a SSH tunnel.. |
| 21:12.19 | xbmodder | Tene: I was thinking of that |
| 21:12.20 | Uncle_Jesse | I personally wouldn't help her though |
| 21:12.23 | RyanE | or teach how to fire up putty |
| 21:12.27 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: why not? |
| 21:12.30 | Uncle_Jesse | unless her dad's abusive |
| 21:12.46 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: what is she doing that she doesn't want her dad to know? |
| 21:13.03 | jlp_work | xbmodder: because her dad is correct to be keeping an eye on what his kids are doing on the net |
| 21:13.05 | xbmodder | AIM and a couple forums. |
| 21:13.15 | Uncle_Jesse | what's she trying to hide on AIM? |
| 21:13.16 | xbmodder | lol |
| 21:13.26 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: I will be too when my kids are older |
| 21:13.27 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: her father doesn't let her go on AIM. |
| 21:13.41 | Tene | she's impersonating a teenage girl |
| 21:13.41 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: why does she need to be on aim? |
| 21:13.52 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: to talk to me ;-) |
| 21:14.05 | nick125 | does it block IRC? |
| 21:14.11 | Tene | i wouldn't let my children talk to you. |
| 21:14.13 | Tene | if i had any. |
| 21:14.16 | jlp_work | xbmodder: so teach her how to use irc |
| 21:14.20 | Uncle_Jesse | perhaps she could recommend an AIM monitoring solution that he can check conversations on, so at least she can use it |
| 21:14.20 | jsmith | xbmodder: I wouldn't let her talk to you either, FWIW |
| 21:14.29 | Uncle_Jesse | why not talk on the phone? |
| 21:14.30 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Good idea! |
| 21:14.40 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: two good ideas! |
| 21:15.08 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll let my kids have lots of freedom, but I'll definitely monitor for suspicious activity |
| 21:15.32 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: good plan. I don't "block" anything on my net at home, but I do "monitor" everything |
| 21:15.45 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: exactly |
| 21:15.55 | xbmodder | jlp_work: he would figure that out too... |
| 21:16.02 | xbmodder | jlp_work: blocking > monitoring |
| 21:16.09 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: my kids have full access to do what they want on the net, but they know they'd better be able to justify whatever they are doing |
| 21:16.13 | xbmodder | I would prefer being blocked than monitored. |
| 21:16.22 | Uncle_Jesse | when they come across suspicious stuff they need to be taught how to deal with it, not be sheltered from it |
| 21:16.32 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: exactly |
| 21:16.40 | xbmodder | True.. I haven't looked at it that way. |
| 21:16.48 | jlp_work | you can't block everything that might be offensive, and they might hit it accidently |
| 21:17.17 | Uncle_Jesse | if not, they'll come across it when they're adults |
| 21:17.23 | Uncle_Jesse | they need to be prepared for that |
| 21:17.24 | jlp_work | my kids know that if they get somewhere they shouldn't be and can't figure out how to get away from it (evil popup junk, for example), they can come to me |
| 21:17.33 | jlp_work | they don't have to hide anything they do |
| 21:17.46 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: as it should be |
| 21:18.35 | jlp_work | that's my biggest problem with content filtering software. too often, it blocks things that shouldn't be blocked (and misses things that "should" be blocked ... "should" based on what the software says it's supposed to do, not on what it is good to block or not. I'm opposed to blocking) |
| 21:18.57 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: I'd be careful helping her circumvent her father. If I found out someone was helping my daughter do that I would be very suspicious and unaccepting of him |
| 21:19.22 | xbmodder | Yeah. |
| 21:19.43 | jlp_work | my daughter was looking at sites on breast cancer recently (my mom has it). content blocking software would likely have blocked such access. evil |
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| 21:20.05 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: I agree. I'll probably still have blocking software on there, but my kids will know they can come to me and if I approve I'll allow them on those sites |
| 21:20.15 | jlp_work | xbmodder: Uncle_Jesse is very correct in that statement. better to talk to her dad about what she wants to do and why |
| 21:20.25 | Uncle_Jesse | that is if it doesn't happen too much - then I'll just figure out how to disable that type of blocking |
| 21:21.33 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 21:22.03 | xbmodder | The gentoo postfix guide == good; |
| 21:23.33 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: check your masquerade parameters |
| 21:25.01 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: in particular, you want to check out the classes that relate to masquerading |
| 21:26.15 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: you can also try running sendmail in address test mode, run some addresses through and see what mailer they end up using |
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| 21:29.14 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: thx - I'll check that out |
| 21:31.06 | Tene | i'd actually encourage my children to try to find ways to get around whatever I set up. |
| 21:31.11 | Tene | curiousity is good |
| 21:31.20 | Tene | but i'd be displeased if they just had someone else do it for them |
| 21:31.31 | xbmodder | not to sound stupid but whats the worst thing he can do. You also have to remember that many adults believe I have no computer skills |
| 21:32.55 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: all masquerade parameters are commented out |
| 21:33.49 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: how's the DNS look for (mydomain)? Is there an A record? MX record? |
| 21:33.55 | maquis | xbmodder: if a guy thinks someone is doing something to his daughter, i wouldn't put too many limits on what he could do... |
| 21:34.19 | jlp_work | maquis: heh heh, you're right on the money, there |
| 21:34.24 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 21:34.34 | xbmodder | Yeah, that'd be bad... |
| 21:34.39 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: I can't get any domain to work |
| 21:34.53 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: have you tried sending mail without a domain? |
| 21:35.02 | maquis | jlp_work: i can imagne my dad doing things that he would never do for any other reason... |
| 21:35.07 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: haven't - like just "jesse@"? |
| 21:35.13 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: run: sendmail -bt |
| 21:35.15 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: what Mail server are you using? |
| 21:35.26 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder: sendmail |
| 21:35.30 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: then hand it some things like: 3,0 jesse |
| 21:35.34 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 21:35.43 | xbmodder | Uncle_Jesse: I am sorry. |
| 21:36.08 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: 3,0 jesse@localhost |
| 21:36.16 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: 3,0 jesse@the_actual_fqdn |
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| 21:37.33 | Uncle_Jesse | all looks okay from that |
| 21:38.10 | jlp_work | it's coming back to a local mailer? |
| 21:39.02 | Uncle_Jesse | jesse@localhost comes back to jesse@sp0201a.serverpronto.com |
| 21:39.14 | Uncle_Jesse | jesse@thestays.org comes back to jesse@thestays.org |
| 21:39.24 | Uncle_Jesse | if I'm understanding all this correctly |
| 21:40.35 | jlp_work | if you do: "3,0 jesse" it should ultimately come back with something like "parse returns: $# local $: jesse" |
| 21:41.07 | jlp_work | (meaning that it's resolved to deliver the mail using the local mailer, a.k.a. /bin/mail) |
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| 21:41.46 | jlp_work | if you say "jesse@localhost", the end result should be the same, i.e. "$# local $: jesse" |
| 21:42.08 | jlp_work | if it's not doing that, then it's seriously confused |
| 21:42.21 | jlp_work | (sorry, you say "3,0 jesse@localhost") |
| 21:42.51 | Uncle_Jesse | canonify returns: 0 jesse < @ sp0201a . serverpronto . com . > |
| 21:42.59 | Uncle_Jesse | that's the last line |
| 21:43.07 | Uncle_Jesse | serverpronto.com is the hosting provider |
| 21:43.17 | xbmodder | Atarack.com is a VPS provider |
| 21:43.27 | jlp_work | it's not coming back with a mailer line? |
| 21:43.34 | jlp_work | (a line with $# on it) |
| 21:43.39 | Uncle_Jesse | no - just canonify lines |
| 21:43.47 | Uncle_Jesse | no $#'s on it |
| 21:43.57 | jlp_work | and you're saying "3,0" at the beginning of the line? |
| 21:44.17 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - I had a space - duh |
| 21:44.25 | Uncle_Jesse | returns $# local $: jesse |
| 21:44.37 | Uncle_Jesse | 2 of those |
| 21:44.47 | jlp_work | ok, so that address should work then... it results in local delivery |
| 21:45.03 | jlp_work | now, what actually happens when you try to send the mail? what MUA are you using? |
| 21:45.24 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: I'm just trying the mail script |
| 21:45.46 | jlp_work | try something like Mail: echo foo | Mail -v -s "hi there" jesse |
| 21:46.42 | jlp_work | (do you have shell access to the box?) |
| 21:46.53 | jlp_work | duh, you must |
| 21:46.53 | Uncle_Jesse | yes, I'm in shell right now |
| 21:47.08 | Uncle_Jesse | local users seem to work - it's remote ones that get returned |
| 21:47.18 | jlp_work | else you couldn't have been trying the sendmail -bt stuff, (sometimes my brain gets foggy and I have to wipe it off a little) |
| 21:47.50 | Uncle_Jesse | I get a "message accepted for delivery" on everything I send |
| 21:47.59 | Uncle_Jesse | it then gets returned |
| 21:48.03 | jlp_work | ok, back in sendmail -bt, try handing it something like: 3,0 user@some_other_fqdn (use some real address) |
| 21:48.18 | jlp_work | we want to know where it thinks it's sending it before it bounces |
| 21:48.29 | jlp_work | is there a smart host configured, by chance? |
| 21:48.29 | Uncle_Jesse | parse returns: $# esmtp $@ test . com . $: test < @ test . com . > |
| 21:48.36 | Uncle_Jesse | (for test@test.com) |
| 21:48.45 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: not that I'm aware of - how do I tell? |
| 21:49.19 | jlp_work | from inside sendmail -bt, say something like: $S |
| 21:49.43 | Uncle_Jesse | returns blank |
| 21:49.50 | jlp_work | ok, no smart host configured |
| 21:50.06 | jlp_work | so it accepts the mail, then bounces it? |
| 21:50.44 | jlp_work | anything useful in the maillog? |
| 21:51.26 | Uncle_Jesse | no - everything seems to get accepted for delivery by the remote host |
| 21:51.35 | Uncle_Jesse | it then gets returned |
| 21:51.57 | Uncle_Jesse | relay should be 127.0.0.1, right? |
| 21:52.22 | jlp_work | perhaps the problem is on the remote host? |
| 21:52.34 | Uncle_Jesse | here's the error it returns (4 lines): |
| 21:52.36 | Uncle_Jesse | ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- |
| 21:52.36 | Uncle_Jesse | test |
| 21:52.36 | Uncle_Jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.38 | Uncle_Jesse | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.50 | Uncle_Jesse | that's for an e-mail sent to jstay@backcountry.com |
| 21:53.36 | Uncle_Jesse | nm - I'm reading it wrong |
| 21:53.42 | Uncle_Jesse | that's not the problem |
| 21:53.48 | Uncle_Jesse | guess I'm not getting anything back |
| 21:54.22 | Uncle_Jesse | k - something's got to be going on with the remote host |
| 21:54.28 | Uncle_Jesse | it's not liking something about it |
| 21:54.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll figure it out |
| 21:54.57 | jlp_work | well, good luck with it |
| 21:55.06 | Uncle_Jesse | thx |
| 21:55.27 | sjansen | ConTeXt++ |
| 22:02.13 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting - it gets sent, but the receiving machine never sees it |
| 22:02.24 | Uncle_Jesse | mx looks right |
| 22:02.32 | Uncle_Jesse | from the sending machine |
| 22:03.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I wish I could see the process of what mx sendmail is trying to relay it to |
| 22:03.49 | jlp_work | in sendmail -bt, try: /mx host |
| 22:03.59 | jlp_work | also /canon host |
| 22:04.51 | Uncle_Jesse | any idea how to get what IP that's resolving to for sendmail? |
| 22:05.17 | jlp_work | do you have "host" on the machine? |
| 22:05.22 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 22:05.29 | jlp_work | "host hostname" |
| 22:05.32 | Uncle_Jesse | so it just uses the machine's domain translation |
| 22:05.42 | jlp_work | should be, yes |
| 22:05.57 | Uncle_Jesse | weird - it resolves to where it should go (mail.jessestay.com), and I can ssh to that domain from the sending machine |
| 22:06.10 | Uncle_Jesse | yet nothing appears in the maillog of the receiving machine that it received the e-mail |
| 22:06.24 | sjansen | transparent filtering proxy? |
| 22:06.49 | sjansen | rabid ninja squirrels? |
| 22:06.54 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: not unless there's one at my hosting provider |
| 22:06.57 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe I'll e-mail them |
| 22:07.18 | Uncle_Jesse | now, rabid ninja squirrels are a possibility |
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| 22:13.09 | elg | -weather klur |
| 22:13.10 | brac | couldn't find weather data for KLUR |
| 22:13.13 | elg | -weather klru |
| 22:13.14 | brac | 21 minutes ago, on Wed Mar 01 21:52:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 6.69 meters per second (14.96 miles per hour), with gusts to 10.29 meters per second (23.02 miles per hour), from the West/Southwest at KLRU. The temperature was 26 degrees Celsius (79 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 19.6%. The sky was clear. |
| 22:22.52 | sjansen | http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/airlines/american-airlines-blames-the-victim-157671.php |
| 22:22.54 | brac | [American Airlines Blames the Victim - Consumerist] |
| 22:45.24 | sjansen | gvimdiff+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
| 22:45.46 | levi | Today was a beautiful day for a bike ride. |
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| 22:48.08 | maquis | levi: true |
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| 22:52.39 | brac | [LXer: The Expandable, Versatile MadTux LivePC] |
| 22:53.00 | lars-ut | $199 - only moving parts are fans. See the link at the bottom of the story. |
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| 22:55.27 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: I wonder if messages are just being queued. I actually got all the messages I was trying to send earlier to send when I restarted sendmail. |
| 22:56.22 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: interesting... do you have multiple sendmail instances on your box? (i.e., a sendmail instance for inbound traffic that is different from the one for outbound traffic?) |
| 22:57.27 | jlp_work | for example, on one of my boxes that has sendmail on it, I have a "sendmail: accepting connections" and a "sendmail: Queue runner for /var/spool/clientmqueue" |
| 23:01.16 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: a "ps ax |grep sendmail" shows this: |
| 23:01.19 | Uncle_Jesse | 17777 ? Ss 0:00 sendmail: accepting connections |
| 23:01.20 | Uncle_Jesse | 17783 ? Ss 0:00 sendmail: Queue runner@01:00:00 for /var/spool/clientmqueue |
| 23:01.29 | Uncle_Jesse | so would that be 2 instances? |
| 23:01.33 | jlp_work | yes |
| 23:01.39 | Uncle_Jesse | bingo then :-) |
| 23:01.58 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll check my init script and see if I can turn off that second instance |
| 23:02.38 | jlp_work | no, you probably want to leave it... just look for a "submit.cf" sendmail cf file that might be broken and doing the wrong thing |
| 23:07.23 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: any idea what types of things I should be looking for in there? |
| 23:07.46 | Uncle_Jesse | submit.cf must be a new file - I've never dealt with that one before |
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| 23:10.34 | jlp_work | hmmm, may be a red herring... I don't remember all the details on that file |
| 23:11.41 | jlp_work | you can try testing with the submit.cf file and -bt: sendmail -C/etc/mail/submit.cf -bt |
| 23:11.57 | jlp_work | try similar tests to the ones you tried before, see if the mail is still going where you think it should |
| 23:12.32 | jlp_work | I seem to recall that the submit instance was to handle locally submitted mail, but maybe it wasn't used if you were running the full blown daemon. it's just been too long since I worked with sendmail |
| 23:12.47 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: okay - I'll check it out |
| 23:12.48 | Uncle_Jesse | thx |
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| 23:29.56 | mheath | ~lart taxes |
| 23:30.21 | mheath | I'm tired of going over these tedious forms |
| 23:30.29 | mheath | I'm quite ready to gouge my eyes out. |
| 23:31.39 | mheath | heh, I'm actually getting back more than *I* paid in. |
| 23:33.56 | maquis | mheath: how'd that happen? |
| 23:34.02 | mheath | And I'm also getting $1 from colorado :) |
| 23:34.14 | mheath | maquis: my dad gave me some money from my late grandmother's trust. |
| 23:34.24 | mheath | Tax is withheld from the trust when it makes that payment to me |
| 23:34.38 | maquis | oh... |
| 23:34.39 | maquis | ok |
| 23:34.40 | mheath | and I get that all back |
| 23:34.52 | mheath | the trust also holds land in colorado |
| 23:35.21 | mheath | and some of the money I got from the trust is considered income from that land (it generates minor income from cattle grazing) |
| 23:35.47 | mheath | So, since "I" earned income "in" colorado, I have to pay COlorado income taxes |
| 23:36.14 | mheath | All that means is I'm getting a $1 check from Colorado |
| 23:36.14 | maquis | haha |
| 23:36.29 | mheath | maquis: the downside is how tedious all these forms are! |
| 23:36.44 | mheath | If it wasn't for the income from the trust, I'd be filing a 1040EZ |
| 23:36.50 | mheath | Quick, easy, I could do it by hand |
| 23:36.51 | levi | mheath: That's why so many people pay others to prepare their taxes. |
| 23:36.59 | mheath | levi: we decided to use TaxCut |
| 23:37.04 | mheath | H&R Blocks computer product |
| 23:37.27 | levi | I used to use a computer program, but it's only a little more expensive to go to a tax prep person. |
| 23:37.28 | Bradipo | maquis: It's called subsidy. He gets more back then he paid because you are paying it to him. :-) |
| 23:37.33 | mheath | my dad used to use TurboTax for personal taxes, but handling this trust stuff required a professional version. The professional version of TaxCut was cheaper. |
| 23:37.39 | mrpull- | mheath: did you see H&R made a 32M dollar error on their OWN taxes? |
| 23:38.04 | mheath | mrpull-: It also tried to pump a lot of rediculously bogus numbers into some of the weird forms required for these estates taxes. |
| 23:38.27 | maquis | H&R did their taxes wrong last year... does |
| 23:38.35 | maquis | nt that seem weird? |
| 23:38.42 | Bradipo | Not really. |
| 23:38.44 | mheath | Theres some weird errors on mine,even |
| 23:38.51 | Bradipo | Ever tried to look at the actual tax code... |
| 23:38.53 | mheath | Though so minor I'm we're not going to bother |
| 23:38.53 | RyanE | corporate taxes are notoriously difficult to get right |
| 23:38.58 | Bradipo | Its mind bogglingly complex. |
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| 23:39.03 | mheath | TaxCut... |
| 23:39.08 | mheath | On my Colorado taxes |
| 23:39.32 | mheath | Since I'm not a resident, it has me caclulate what my taxes in CO *WOULD BE* if I was.... |
| 23:39.49 | mheath | Then calculates what percentage of my income is taxable in colorado, and takes that percentage out of the total |
| 23:39.51 | maquis | Bradipo: true... but having a company like H&R messing up is still something that... well... doesn't look that great for their business... |
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| 23:40.06 | mheath | The total income on one line was "$10" |
| 23:40.21 | mheath | Taxcut, however, says that out of that $10, $11 is taxable in colorado. |
| 23:40.27 | Bradipo | maquis: No, it doesn't, but what are your alternatives? :-) |
| 23:40.35 | mheath | Silly |
| 23:40.46 | maquis | Bradipo: true... |
| 23:40.53 | mheath | On some of the estate's taxes... |
| 23:41.07 | mheath | It would ask you to copy something over from the federal form |
| 23:41.13 | mheath | The federal form would say $0 |
| 23:41.32 | mheath | But somehow taxcut would copy over, say, $2,532. Some weird arbitary number, that doesn't exist *anywhere* on any of the forms. |
| 23:41.41 | brando1 | bah, wrong command |
| 23:42.09 | maquis | http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=tuxgirl.com <--w00t! |
| 23:42.13 | brac | [Related Info for: tuxgirl.com/] |
| 23:43.10 | mheath | Hmm |
| 23:43.20 | mheath | Has anyone used GoboLinux? |
| 23:43.26 | mheath | GoboHide looks really neat. |
| 23:43.41 | mheath | As does Compile (at least for simple things) |
| 23:45.09 | levi | I recall thinking that the idea of gobolinux sounded cool. |
| 23:45.21 | mheath | levi: its kinda neat. A new filesystem structure |
| 23:45.29 | levi | Yeah. |
| 23:45.41 | mheath | /System, /Programs, /Depot, /Files |
| 23:45.45 | levi | I like the break from tradition. |
| 23:45.55 | levi | We need more breaks from tradition in operating systems. |
| 23:46.04 | mheath | The nice thing is, they have symlinks setup so that hardcoded things will still work |
| 23:46.33 | mheath | But they've patched the kernel so that those symlinks can only be *read*/*written* to, but you can't get a directory listing |
| 23:46.42 | levi | Huh, interesting. |
| 23:46.46 | Bradipo | levi: I like the breaks that djb has developed. :-) |
| 23:46.58 | mheath | That is, if I cd to / and type "ls", I just see /System, /Programs, /Depot, /Files |
| 23:47.22 | mheath | but if I type "nano -w /etc/fstab", it opens up an existing file :) |
| 23:47.41 | mrpull- | mheath: sounds more like a "rootkit" than a feature :) |
| 23:47.44 | mheath | Its rather similar to what OS X does, but more elegant. |
| 23:47.56 | mheath | mrpull-: Actually, no, because they have a really nice way of monitoring it all and handling it all |
| 23:48.10 | mheath | You can control whats hidden, whats not, and get a list of whats hidden using their tool. |
| 23:48.30 | bdogg | is their tool 'ls -a' ? |
| 23:49.14 | mheath | mrpull-: it's also also semi-controlled |
| 23:49.24 | mheath | Only the superuser can write to those fake folders |
| 23:49.31 | mheath | Strictly |
| 23:50.05 | mrpull- | sounds kinda cool. the OSX system appeals to me too. |
| 23:50.13 | mheath | OS X is less elegant |
| 23:50.27 | mheath | OS X just hides the directories from within Finder. |
| 23:50.46 | mrpull- | but if it works magic to make FHS complying packages work it is all the better |
| 23:51.15 | mheath | mrpull-: It doesn't quite support those, but it would be easy to make it do so. |
| 23:51.35 | mheath | Programs are supposed to be instaling in /Programs/name/version, with /Programs/name/Current symlinked to the current version |
| 23:51.42 | mheath | s/instaling/installed/g |
| 23:52.37 | mheath | I unpack the foobar rpm in /, though, and puts a lot of real files in this hidden directories that are supposed to only be for compatability symlinks |
| 23:52.49 | mheath | s/and puts/and it puts/g |
| 23:53.26 | Bradipo | mheath: Sounds a lot like slashpackage: http://cr.yp.to/slashpackage.html |
| 23:53.35 | mheath | What you need is a daemon that monitors filesystem operations (perhaps via the new INotify?) for the creation of these real files |
| 23:53.44 | sjansen | ~lart python |
| 23:54.02 | mheath | and moves them to a proper folder in the Programs directory |
| 23:54.32 | mheath | Bradipo: lots of things implement placement in /package |
| 23:54.38 | mheath | Most noteable is GNU Stow. |
| 23:55.01 | mheath | I just mentioned GoboLinux becuae of some neat little features, like GoboHide, that complement it. |
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| 23:56.40 | mheath | GoboLinux's Compile is pretty nice, too, for simple operations |
| 23:56.44 | mheath | and uber trimmed down portage |
| 23:56.56 | mheath | not appropriate for complex situations or customizations, but awesome most of the time |
| 23:57.09 | mheath | Makes installing MySQL, for example, as simple as "Compile MySQL" |