| 00:00.23 | maquis | nick125: can i pm a question? |
| 00:01.50 | nick125 | sure.. |
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| 00:29.17 | maquis | http://techdirt.com/articles/20060223/1158246_F.shtml |
| 00:29.18 | brac | [Techdirt:Firefox Undermines UK Anti-Piracy Laws With All That Giving Stuff Away] |
| 00:38.19 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a good G - PG-13 movie? |
| 00:42.45 | JoshH | how about the whinnie the poo movie, that's pretty wholesome |
| 00:42.56 | JoshH | shouldn't corrupt you at all :P |
| 00:45.07 | mheath | JoshH: Let me restate. |
| 00:45.54 | mheath | Because I haven't discovered how to get around the block-on-R rated movies at Hollywood video (I have at Blockbuster, but their selection sucks), I'm limited. |
| 00:46.40 | JoshH | they block all r rated? i dunno about hollywood, but at blockbuster, anyone can rent r rated, but some material is marked as "youth restricted viewing" |
| 00:48.39 | mheath | JoshH: my dad put a block on R rated movies. |
| 00:49.06 | mheath | At blockbuster its just a note. Some honor it, some don't |
| 00:49.30 | mheath | And since its a shared account, I just say I forgot my card, tell them the info, and they get me in without a specific subacount, meaning that name doesn't come up |
| 00:50.33 | mheath | I'll find something |
| 00:50.37 | JoshH | hmmm |
| 00:50.49 | JoshH | good luck |
| 00:53.49 | JoshH | tell your dad to remove the block so you can rent passion of the christ, then get that, and something else |
| 00:54.06 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:54.32 | xbmodder_lappy | would this be the entire internet: 0.0.0.0/1 |
| 01:02.02 | amcnabb | 0.0.0.0/32 |
| 01:03.13 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
| 01:03.22 | xbmodder_lappy | any TC gods? |
| 01:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy | atarack linux-2.6.12.6-xen-r2 # /sbin/tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:1024 handle 1024 tbf rate 22Kbit buffer 10Kb/8 limit 15Kb mtu 1500 peakrate 22Kbit |
| 01:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
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| 01:11.03 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: try the new version of iproute2...i got the new version on my lappy with xen and i dont see any problems :p |
| 01:26.54 | xbmodder_lappy | I see why it is breaking |
| 01:27.44 | nick125 | try the newer iproute2 |
| 01:27.44 | nick125 | :p |
| 01:28.00 | nick125 | you know, one thats updated within the last 10 months |
| 01:34.16 | goozbach | bah |
| 01:34.34 | goozbach | bonez39: try looking at arp tables |
| 01:35.23 | xbmodder_lappy | relaly hard |
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| 01:39.14 | emcnabb | it's too bad not all tech support requests are that easy |
| 01:39.32 | emcnabb | the next door neighbor has a Mac Mini, and Quickbooks Pro won't install |
| 01:39.45 | emcnabb | it usually helps to buy the MacOS version of Quickbooks |
| 01:40.50 | amcnabb | wow |
| 01:42.19 | amcnabb | emcnabb, did you listen to those songs based on sounds of hard-drive problems? |
| 01:42.24 | amcnabb | It seems right up your alley. |
| 01:43.30 | emcnabb | yeah, I listened to them |
| 01:43.36 | emcnabb | my ears are still hurting |
| 01:45.27 | amcnabb | We've had hard drives that sounded like several of those original files. |
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| 01:45.58 | amcnabb | The "slow spindle speed" drive sounds just like that huge SCSI drive we used to have that sounded like an airplane. |
| 01:46.11 | emcnabb | haha |
| 01:46.34 | amcnabb | Do you remember that?--you couldn't stay in the basement for more than a few minutes at a time because of how loud it was. |
| 01:46.38 | amcnabb | Until it died. |
| 01:46.41 | amcnabb | :( |
| 01:46.52 | amcnabb | No one saw it coming. |
| 01:46.54 | Tene | how long could you stay in the basement after it died? |
| 01:47.05 | amcnabb | :) |
| 01:47.14 | amcnabb | days, weeks, months |
| 01:47.54 | Tene | sounds like an improvement. |
| 01:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | he |
| 01:48.04 | xbmodder_lappy | h |
| 01:48.13 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart your large SCSI disk for dieing |
| 01:48.37 | xbmodder_lappy | basement living == bad; |
| 01:49.55 | Tene | oh |
| 01:50.14 | Tene | so it was a safety device for preventing people from taking up residence in the basement? |
| 01:50.18 | Tene | how clever! |
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| 03:01.07 | xbmodder_lappy | Why do you have the urge to kill people when they type like this: |
| 03:01.08 | xbmodder_lappy | ThIS CoMmUniTy iS fOR tHE yOUng bUDs wHo hAVe jusT blOsSom.ThE moST sPiCY pERioD Of lIFe WhERe wE cUm AcrOsS dA moST exHIlLiRATinG ExperIENcES oF oUr liFe & lEAVe aN evERasTing impResSioN oN oUR soUl it beComeS eliXir fOR oUr whoLE liFE & Is a SourcE oF noSTalGia wheNeVEr u THink of Ur TeEnagE. |
| 03:01.15 | xbmodder_lappy | SO hErE iS a ComMuniTy fOr aLL of U to SharE uR fEeliNGs, eMotioNS & asPIraTIons.HEY doNT woRry onE's wHO hAVe croSsED their moST enjOYAble or RathER criTICal peRIoD oF liFE even u are invited to shARe uR expeRIEnceS & prEciouS thouGHts. |
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| 03:01.45 | nick125_ | lol |
| 03:01.57 | *** kick/#utah [xbmodder_lappy!n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net] by elg (I cAnT SaY, i JuST Do) |
| 03:02.09 | nick125_ | lol |
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| 03:02.25 | elg | :) |
| 03:02.31 | xbmodder_lappy | )-: |
| 03:02.32 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:03.14 | nick125_ | elg: you made xbmodder_lappy sad |
| 03:04.10 | xbmodder_lappy | while laughing |
| 03:04.19 | xbmodder_lappy | I think the only thing that can do that is Acid |
| 03:05.02 | elg | so I'm acid |
| 03:05.12 | amcnabb | c |
| 03:05.19 | amcnabb | (excuse me) |
| 03:05.39 | amcnabb | Focus follows mouse is only bad about once or twice a month. |
| 03:07.56 | xbmodder_lappy | harleypig, hey |
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| 03:28.57 | tensai | maquis: pong |
| 03:29.14 | mheath | harleypig, around? |
| 03:32.35 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, hey |
| 03:32.52 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Hi, harleypig. |
| 03:38.41 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
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| 05:21.46 | maquis | Newsome: which question? |
| 05:22.23 | maquis | (and as for avoiding the word "stupid", that would be preferable...) :) |
| 05:22.28 | Newsome | "I can get 8 IPs, but only 5 of them work?" |
| 05:22.44 | maquis | oh... from the comcast thread... |
| 05:22.55 | maquis | comcast/iprovo/etc |
| 05:22.59 | Newsome | yeah |
| 05:24.27 | Newsome | with a single IP address, they're still wasting 3 themselves. They just didn't mention that. |
| 05:25.03 | tensai | Newsome: just tell him to upgrade to ipv6 which doesn't use network and broadcast |
| 05:25.22 | maquis | Newsome: interesting... i didn't know any of that (what you posted)... :) |
| 05:26.12 | Newsome | you taken 460 yet? |
| 05:26.50 | maquis | Newsome: i'm in it right now |
| 05:27.43 | Newsome | ~lart those larting CS professors |
| 05:28.10 | tensai | I've got a /29 and I've got all 6 useable since I have another ppp static address |
| 05:34.51 | Newsome | PPP operates differently from broadcast ethernet, so I can see that |
| 05:38.17 | maquis | Newsome: i generally don't have kleenex |
| 05:38.26 | maquis | i generally don't need it |
| 05:41.31 | Newsome | night, kids |
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| 07:19.40 | levi | Yo. |
| 07:22.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Yo, tu, el, ella, Usted, nosotros, nosotras, ellos, ellas, Ustedes! |
| 07:23.03 | levi | Someone's taking Spanish. |
| 07:23.10 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah! |
| 07:23.20 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate this.. |
| 07:23.45 | levi | It's too bad that you hate it. |
| 07:23.53 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 07:23.56 | xbmodder_lappy | this project |
| 07:24.07 | xbmodder_lappy | we have to draw a bunch of pictures |
| 07:24.10 | xbmodder_lappy | and write about them |
| 07:24.56 | xbmodder_lappy | are you fluent in spanish? |
| 07:26.19 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: just use lisp and all your language problems will vanish in a millieu of bliss |
| 07:26.45 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, colleges don't take liso |
| 07:26.47 | xbmodder_lappy | lisp |
| 07:28.12 | findlay | liso? is that a new language? |
| 07:29.12 | nick125 | liso...sounds weird |
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| 14:07.34 | mheath | Hmm |
| 14:07.42 | mheath | Whats a good way of leaving a message for someone on here? |
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| 15:23.01 | xbmodder_lappy | msgserv or noteserv? |
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| 15:53.50 | sjansen | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:05.07 | goozbach | mheath: ibot has a tell feature or something like that |
| 16:06.21 | sjansen | goozbach in da house! |
| 16:09.26 | goozbach | something like that |
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| 16:15.19 | sjansen | TimRiker in da house! |
| 16:17.43 | goozbach | sjansen has the lights on and nobody in da house! |
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| 16:29.13 | xbmodder_ | sup |
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| 16:29.15 | xbmodder_ | nick125: you alive? |
| 16:29.30 | xbmodder_ | ~tell goozbach he likes to fly |
| 16:29.46 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 16:29.51 | xbmodder_ | ~tell xbmodder_ |
| 16:32.17 | sjansen | goozbach: may your flights be late then cancelled |
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| 16:35.42 | goozbach | sjansen: may you never see the inside of an aircraft again |
| 16:38.53 | goozbach | WOOT! |
| 16:39.05 | goozbach | this week I'll finish of the cheesecake factories in NJ |
| 16:39.48 | goozbach | ouch... |
| 16:39.56 | goozbach | I'll have 19 students |
| 16:41.31 | goozbach | http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/23/asus-shows-modular-concept-pc/ |
| 16:41.33 | brac | [Asus shows modular concept PC - Engadget] |
| 16:45.34 | xbmodder_ | gross... totally gross... |
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| 17:02.16 | levi | Morning, #utah. |
| 17:02.23 | goozbach | morning |
| 17:04.48 | levi | Wassup? |
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| 17:06.35 | goozbach | nothing |
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| 17:26.55 | sjansen | http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/22/vw-strikes-again-un-pimp-my-ride-videos/ |
| 17:27.53 | goozbach | that's a great video |
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| 17:30.26 | goozbach | the trebuchet is the best |
| 17:32.04 | sjansen | ~bury goozbach |
| 17:32.06 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on goozbach |
| 17:32.10 | sjansen | ~flig goozbach |
| 17:32.15 | sjansen | ~fling goozbach |
| 17:32.17 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at goozbach |
| 17:32.27 | goozbach | ~hose sjansen |
| 17:32.28 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses sjansen down. |
| 17:32.42 | goozbach | ~spritz sjansen |
| 17:34.37 | goozbach | ~spray sjansen |
| 17:34.40 | ibot | ACTION takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays sjansen in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah, those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed. |
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| 17:43.17 | goozbach | http://www.itmanagersjournal.com/article.pl?sid=06/02/22/1444231 |
| 17:45.00 | levi | Phil Windley has good summaries of Alan Kay's talks last night on his blog. |
| 17:49.52 | goozbach | levi: url? |
| 17:50.26 | levi | http://www.windley.com/ |
| 17:51.54 | levi | Heh, funny perl script bug anecdote: http://calculist.blogspot.com/2006/02/nancy-typing.html |
| 17:51.56 | brac | [The Little Calculist: Nancy typing] |
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| 18:05.17 | sjansen | ~haha emcnabb |
| 18:05.19 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb about the head with the ha ha bat |
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| 18:22.45 | sjansen | ~beat maquis |
| 18:22.46 | ibot | ACTION beats maquis with a wetfish |
| 18:23.36 | harleypig | what the heck is a wetfish? |
| 18:26.13 | nick125 | good question |
| 18:26.55 | sjansen | ~fishslap maquis |
| 18:26.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps maquis up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:27.16 | goozbach | harleypig: a fish that isn't dry? |
| 18:28.11 | goozbach | harleypig: it looks to be a band out of montreal |
| 18:28.39 | maquis | o/~ zaphod beeblebrox for president... he'll build bridges between the starts o/~ |
| 18:29.08 | maquis | s/starts/stars |
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| 20:00.56 | maquis | wow... talk about poor use of money in an educational setting: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060224-6259.html |
| 20:02.18 | nick125 | http://images.nick125.com/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=205 << been a very long while since ive blended.. |
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| 20:18.07 | sjansen | maquis: Theft pure and simple. If my federal tax dollars went to it, I want them back. |
| 20:20.11 | bonez39 | what's a quick way to check a stock....with the symbol |
| 20:23.48 | SpecialK | ~stock DOW |
| 20:24.03 | SpecialK | ~APL |
| 20:24.04 | ibot | rumour has it, apl is like a double-decker bus. It takes rows and columns of passengers to the same place all at the same time but it drives only in reverse and is instrumented in Greek. or an acronym for A Programming Language |
| 20:24.17 | SpecialK | ~quote APL |
| 20:25.01 | SpecialK | ~quote SCOX |
| 20:25.21 | SpecialK | Shouldn't they be delisted by now? |
| 20:27.13 | maquis | sjansen: yup |
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| 21:20.00 | bonez39 | if I have a file with many strings repeated over and over.....what's the simplest way to edit out the unwanted strings, etc? Can VIM do that? |
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| 21:25.30 | Robdor | bonez39: are talking about something like :% s /unwanted_string//g ? |
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| 21:30.38 | scottj | anyone know, under windows, how to run a script or command and not have it open a command prompt? like have it run in the background? |
| 21:31.07 | maquis | scottj: i saw something for that... |
| 21:31.12 | maquis | o dpm |
| 21:31.17 | maquis | t rememeber what it was |
| 21:31.25 | elg | scottj: with cygwin. ;-0\) |
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| 21:32.25 | goozbach | so it's official... GuruLabs is looking for a new "guru" position. Email a resume to hr@gurulabs.com if you're interested |
| 21:32.47 | goozbach | it's also officall that I'm moving to Florida |
| 21:32.49 | elg | please include your irc bot experience |
| 21:33.00 | elg | goozbach: are these officially related? |
| 21:33.08 | goozbach | elg: offically? yes |
| 21:33.26 | maquis | goozbach: which job did you get? |
| 21:33.38 | goozbach | Project lead on a linux migration at the FL Dept of Health |
| 21:34.00 | maquis | goozbach: nice! |
| 21:34.10 | elg | why FL? |
| 21:34.17 | Jayce^ | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:34.28 | maquis | elg: he met a cute girl when he was teaching there.... |
| 21:34.38 | maquis | i'm guessing that's related |
| 21:34.45 | elg | officially? :-O |
| 21:34.46 | goozbach | maquis: only marginally |
| 21:35.01 | maquis | goozbach: whatever... :-P |
| 21:35.39 | goozbach | elg: a GREAT job, and AWESOME pay |
| 21:35.46 | goozbach | and the cute girls |
| 21:36.04 | elg | sweet, you can afford to get me all that stuff I've been wanting now |
| 21:37.26 | maquis | me too!!! |
| 21:37.43 | maquis | goozbach: when do you start? |
| 21:38.00 | elg | don't forget the cuban food |
| 21:38.31 | maquis | has anyone here experienced time-warp in gtalk? |
| 21:38.39 | elg | no |
| 21:38.49 | elg | I know that because I went forward in time and checked. |
| 21:38.55 | maquis | haha |
| 21:39.17 | maquis | i've had 2 occasions where i've at least suspected it, and i've heard about it from at least one other person |
| 21:39.45 | maquis | about 10 minutes after a conversation, one of my friends randomly received a message i had sent in the middle of the conversation |
| 21:39.53 | Jayce^ | maquis, you doing the time warp? |
| 21:40.04 | Jayce^ | let's do the time warp again..... |
| 21:40.43 | elg | anyone know about firefox on windows and registry stuff? I"m getting sick of answering the same questions over and over |
| 21:40.53 | elg | I want it to keep the prefs in my network drive or usb drive |
| 21:41.29 | goozbach | maquis: my offical last day is mar 20 |
| 21:41.45 | emcnabb | :-( |
| 21:42.31 | goozbach | emcnabb: why so sad? |
| 21:42.37 | emcnabb | you're leaving |
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| 21:52.56 | elg | start is the magic incantation |
| 21:53.01 | elg | I forgot who asked the question |
| 21:53.02 | elg | e.g. |
| 21:53.09 | elg | start firefox.exe -Profile "profile/" |
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| 22:11.46 | levi | It was a stack machine, though it stored the top two stack levels in registers. |
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| 22:16.38 | levi | Programmers couldn't directly access registers, though. |
| 22:17.17 | levi | Had the first commercial implementation of virtual memory, too. |
| 22:17.35 | levi | It had no assembler, just compilers for ALGOL and COBOL. |
| 22:18.04 | QBFreak | sounds like an interesting conversation, sadly I missed it |
| 22:18.25 | levi | It wasn't a conversation, just me talking about the Burroughs B5000. |
| 22:18.31 | QBFreak | ah |
| 22:19.20 | QBFreak | its times like this that I wish companies would pay the extra few cents to brand their AC adapters |
| 22:20.24 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:20.50 | QBFreak | Altec Lansign and Kodak mean more to me than Hong-Kwang and BNG |
| 22:21.03 | QBFreak | err Lansing |
| 22:25.30 | QBFreak | this is annoying |
| 22:25.49 | QBFreak | my mouse wont work on the mouse-pad but it will work on the rubber bottom of the mouse-pad |
| 22:26.03 | QBFreak | its nothing fancy, plain black cloth-top |
| 22:26.13 | maquis | hey... so... how do i open a .aspx file? |
| 22:31.13 | RyanE | vi *.aspx |
| 22:31.19 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:31.28 | maquis | RyanE: turns out it was a pdf file |
| 22:31.32 | maquis | it's just misnamed |
| 22:31.32 | Jayce^ | so levi looked harleypig and I were looking at that Nancy bug you posted... haven't been able to reproduce it on any version we can find... |
| 22:31.36 | RyanE | yeah, but vi will still open it. :) |
| 22:31.41 | maquis | if i mv foo.aspx foo.pdf, it works fine |
| 22:31.44 | maquis | RyanE: well... yeah |
| 22:32.04 | levi | Jayce^: It's not a perl bug, it's a bug in a perl program. |
| 22:32.18 | RyanE | the nancy bug sounded a bit apocryphal to me. |
| 22:32.53 | levi | Jayce^: You couldn't reproduce the coercion of "Nancy" to NaN? |
| 22:33.01 | Jayce^ | no |
| 22:33.22 | levi | I wouldn't be surprised either way, but I thought it was an interesting anecdote. |
| 22:33.24 | Jayce^ | and NaN isn't a perl way of getting the value |
| 22:33.31 | RyanE | Maybe the program itself did some sort of checking for 'NaN' in a string, and assigned it a real NaN. |
| 22:33.55 | levi | The program was supposed to be checking string equality, but it was checking numeric equality instead. |
| 22:34.08 | levi | And strings with no digits were coerced to 0, usually. |
| 22:34.22 | levi | And since 0 equals 0, the test was always passing. |
| 22:34.41 | Jayce^ | actually, should go to one, and yes, they would pass... |
| 22:34.44 | Jayce^ | that part is true |
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| 22:34.59 | Jayce^ | but there is no Nancy aspect |
| 22:35.01 | levi | But NaN apparently didn't equal NaN, so when the "Nancy" got coerced to NaN, the test would fail. |
| 22:35.12 | RyanE | Yeah, I read it, but I wondered if it was actually checking numeric equality, or if it was using some library, not just numeric equality. |
| 22:35.18 | Jayce^ | right |
| 22:37.20 | levi | It's not really meant as an indictment of perl, and I didn't take it as such. It's a possible consequence of the kind of type coercion that perl uses, though, even if perl doesn't actually do it now. |
| 22:42.36 | levi | Or even if it was actually some other language entirely. |
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| 22:45.49 | RyanE | or some mythical language that doesn't exist. :) |
| 22:47.01 | levi | Well, it's conceivable that it did happen, given a language that tries its best to 'do what I mean' with type conversions. |
| 22:48.15 | levi | I think it would be pretty cool if perl evaluated int "Nan" to whatever its Not a Number value is. |
| 22:49.28 | levi | And, btw, int "Nan" does evaluate to 0, not 1. |
| 22:49.28 | RyanE | yeah, but not int "Nancy"... |
| 22:50.15 | levi | Why not? int "12cy" evaluates to 12 |
| 22:53.14 | RyanE | so then all this boils down to is: someone used the wrong comparison operator and we found this out because of an interesting automatic conversion (Nancy -> NaN), but that makes for a less interesting story. |
| 22:54.48 | elg | RyanE: the way you tell it, yeah. :-) Nevertheless that's what I got out of the story too |
| 22:55.12 | elg | i think the story was flourished but didn't have any other conclusion that what you said |
| 22:55.19 | elg | (based on my one reading of it a few hours ago) |
| 22:55.38 | RyanE | I guess I just have the gift of telling stories boringly. |
| 22:55.52 | RyanE | at least it helps get the kids asleep faster. :) |
| 22:56.19 | RyanE | "Chicken Little thought the sky was falling, but really it was just an acorn. Good Night." |
| 22:56.38 | levi | Yup, that's what it boils down to. |
| 22:56.49 | elg | that's nothing. I just drop an acorn on their heads and say "the sky is falling", then turn off the lights. |
| 23:00.41 | levi | The Burroughs B5000 is far more interesting than the Nancy typing scenario. |
| 23:01.37 | RyanE | *far* more? |
| 23:01.48 | levi | Yes. |
| 23:02.14 | RyanE | either is apparently far more interesting than doing the work I'm being paid to do. |
| 23:02.30 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burroughs_B5000 |
| 23:04.25 | levi | It's the actual hardware that stack-based bytecode virtual machines are modeled after. |
| 23:04.52 | levi | And it's from the 60s. |
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| 23:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone know of some Utah robotics clubs? |
| 23:24.37 | elg | ibot and brac |
| 23:24.38 | ibot | i heard brac is the enemy |
| 23:25.08 | elg | brac, ibot? |
| 23:25.09 | brac | ibot is the enemy |
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| 23:36.41 | maquis | -lart ibot |
| 23:57.19 | harleypig | Misleading domain names, the other way around: http://web.archive.org/web/20021207085002/www.nice-tits.org/pics.html |
| 23:57.21 | brac | [NICE TITS - Pictures of Tits] |
| 23:57.25 | harleypig | This *IS* work safe. |
| 23:57.49 | harleypig | It's the Royal Tit-Watching Society of England |
| 23:57.52 | harleypig | Birds. |
| 23:58.10 | harleypig | The tiny little birds called Tits. |
| 23:58.32 | harleypig | Never mind. |