| 00:00.18 | findlay | awesome |
| 00:00.22 | findlay | ~hug perl |
| 00:08.31 | sjansen | ~dropkick emcnabb |
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| 02:43.13 | findlay | Does anyone know if redhat's init supports the asynchronous starting of services? |
| 02:44.49 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:45.00 | nick125 | 20YB CPUs would rock |
| 02:45.02 | findlay | s/zeta/zetta/ |
| 02:45.05 | nick125 | err |
| 02:45.09 | nick125 | 20Yhz |
| 02:45.42 | findlay | zetta is 1000 times more than yotta, or in this case 1024 times more |
| 02:46.04 | nick125 | no, yotta is 1024 zetta |
| 02:46.14 | nick125 | i think |
| 02:46.28 | findlay | yeah, you're wrong |
| 02:46.41 | findlay | s/you're/I'm/ |
| 02:46.46 | findlay | duh |
| 02:46.48 | findlay | http://www.essex1.com/people/speer/large.html |
| 02:46.53 | nick125 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yottahertz |
| 02:47.17 | findlay | aha, now I see why |
| 02:48.28 | findlay | the pseudo mnemonic I used was that y was penultimate to z, but those clever scientists named them the other way around to allow for an intuitive extension |
| 03:02.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Hey anyone here know how to use "tc" well? |
| 03:07.49 | findlay | ~man tc |
| 03:32.14 | xbmodder_lappy | I wish porn and myspace would burn |
| 03:32.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhh.. |
| 03:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's, random |
| 03:35.59 | findlay | well, while randomly digging through /etc/conf.d/rc on gentoo I found this nifty little flag for parallel starting of services |
| 03:36.12 | findlay | it about halved startup time |
| 03:36.15 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:36.33 | findlay | (going from runlevel 1 to runlevel 3 at least) |
| 03:37.11 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, what version of portage? |
| 03:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (emerge --version) |
| 03:37.29 | findlay | sys-apps/portage-2.1_pre4-r1 |
| 03:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah good |
| 03:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the version that has it actually working correctly |
| 03:39.03 | findlay | it's in ~amd64 still, so I was a little nervous about installing it |
| 03:39.03 | findlay | what's wrong with other versions? |
| 03:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm running the same version fyi, it's required to install xorg7 modular |
| 03:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But, hmm, lemme quote it, sec |
| 03:39.32 | findlay | yup |
| 03:40.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20060116-newsletter.xml <-- under Gentoo News, Baselayout Changes |
| 03:40.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Near the top |
| 03:42.07 | findlay | heh, "arch testers" |
| 03:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | As far as I know, only ~ versions of portage support proper parallel starting |
| 03:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence my initial question ;) |
| 03:42.34 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: have you tried it yet |
| 03:42.35 | findlay | ? |
| 03:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I've set it, yes |
| 03:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | But I haven't tested it yet ;) |
| 03:42.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Haven't rebooted since |
| 03:43.08 | findlay | it's rather enjoyable. Almost makes it worth it to watch the computer boot |
| 03:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 03:43.18 | findlay | you have to enable it though |
| 03:43.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Good to know that it actually does work now |
| 03:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I've enabled it |
| 03:43.38 | findlay | the BIOS still takes *forever* as all BIOSes do |
| 03:43.41 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, it is not |
| 03:43.57 | xbmodder_lappy | I am doing something like 1Gig a week to myspace and friendster |
| 03:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, ? |
| 03:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, oh |
| 03:44.12 | xbmodder_lappy | And I HATE it |
| 03:44.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Just referrer block the sites :P |
| 03:44.29 | nick125 | 1gb? how? |
| 03:46.11 | xbmodder_lappy | I have a sister |
| 03:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I vote referrer blocking myspace on the server |
| 03:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem solved |
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| 03:46.48 | xbmodder_lappy | I use IPtables to redirect to atarack.com... |
| 03:47.51 | nick125 | MAKE IT STOP!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!! |
| 03:49.45 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart nick125 |
| 03:50.32 | nick125 | we both know it sucks |
| 03:50.37 | nick125 | horribly |
| 03:51.43 | findlay | what's this minespace you speak of?? Shall I take a look? |
| 03:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 03:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | NO no no no no |
| 03:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't even touch that |
| 03:52.48 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:52.52 | xbmodder_lappy | http://atarack.com |
| 03:52.53 | brac | [Welcome to ATA Rack] |
| 03:53.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's just say that it's the only site that was popular enough in the jordan school district |
| 03:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | To be blocked for no reason other than "you're messing over our bandwidth" |
| 03:53.41 | findlay | that bad huh? |
| 03:53.43 | xbmodder_lappy | Do you or your small business need a web or e-mail server? Maybe you need an extra telephone line or two for your customers to call? Maybe you need voicemail where you can access from everywhere in the world? If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, then ATA Rack has the services to fit you or your company's needs! We have the services to make your small business a competing business. With our voicemail, for one, you can call it anywher |
| 03:53.43 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.44 | xbmodder_lappy | -of-the-line for your business to get their important information faster! |
| 03:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Think: enough middle and high school students obessed over that site enough to have it be banned. |
| 03:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it's that bad. |
| 03:53.59 | xbmodder_lappy | myspace.com needs to be banned |
| 03:54.18 | xbmodder_lappy | it contains images depicting terible sexual acts. |
| 03:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Also note that if you are NOT computer literate, you're visiting the site |
| 03:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If you are computer literat, you shun it like you would AIDS |
| 03:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | *literate |
| 03:54.52 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Think I'm kidding? |
| 03:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't say I didn't warn you... ;) |
| 03:55.14 | nick125 | i think i only went to myspace once, looked at the main page, and left |
| 03:56.00 | nick125 | this was many years ago though |
| 03:56.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The home page isn't bad |
| 03:56.46 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: dont you have some myspace image resizer on your server? |
| 03:57.00 | findlay | ssh r00tki7:bring_em_down@myspace.com "nice -n -20 /havoc.sh" |
| 03:57.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Yeah |
| 03:57.33 | xbmodder_lappy | only to look at pretty pictures :-) |
| 03:57.48 | nick125 | like what kind of "pretty" pictures.. |
| 03:57.49 | xbmodder_lappy | they are really _pretty_ |
| 03:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, Oh, right. I think it was the NY Times, who a month or so ago, their front page article was "The MySpace Generation" |
| 03:59.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It was some big magazine with national acclaim. |
| 03:59.42 | findlay | http://www.robinsloan.com/epic/ |
| 03:59.43 | brac | [EPIC 2014] |
| 04:02.53 | findlay | how do I specify an historical snapshot with CVS? |
| 04:05.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Use SVN ;-) |
| 04:05.41 | findlay | updating portage cache is lots faster too |
| 04:05.50 | xbmodder_lappy | how/when? |
| 04:06.11 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: sys-apps/portage-2.1_pre4-r1 |
| 04:06.41 | findlay | and it doesn't use 100% CPU either |
| 04:07.02 | xbmodder_lappy | rsync still? |
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| 04:07.39 | findlay | I find it ironic that I can download, compile, and install a package with portage faster than download and install the same package with yum on the same machine |
| 04:07.50 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:08.14 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: updating portage *cache* is faster, and yes it still uses rsync |
| 04:08.37 | nick125 | usually by the time i find the package in yum, i could have had it compiled and installed with portage |
| 04:09.02 | findlay | yeah, you have to wait 2 minutes to find out whether you typed it correctly |
| 04:09.46 | QBFreak | it always bothered me how slow yum was |
| 04:09.57 | nick125 | i thought portage was slow.. |
| 04:10.00 | nick125 | then i tried yum |
| 04:10.03 | findlay | emcnabb says FC5 yum will have caching |
| 04:10.04 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:10.06 | nick125 | then i shut up about portage being slow |
| 04:11.02 | QBFreak | darned keyboard shortcuts |
| 04:11.22 | QBFreak | I've gotten hooked on things like CTRL+W for rub word and CTRL+P for previous |
| 04:11.27 | QBFreak | they don't work so well in windows |
| 04:14.14 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 04:15.11 | emcnabb | findlay: I played with FC5-test3 today, and yum was much faster than on FC4 |
| 04:16.18 | findlay | can't wait to try out gnome-2.14 |
| 04:31.31 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: mm so. |
| 04:33.47 | xbmodder_lappy | mmos |
| 04:34.32 | xbmodder_lappy | I got asked by the teacher of I was "Interfering the network" |
| 04:34.41 | xbmodder_lappy | I was like... Umm I am organic. |
| 04:37.22 | nick125 | im so bored |
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| 05:14.24 | findlay | normal people don't deserve the size of bandwidth I've got |
| 05:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:16.08 | findlay | 1.18M/s |
| 05:17.09 | nick125 | 10mbit? |
| 05:18.01 | findlay | I don't know. 1.18 M/s must mean that it's going at 1.18 megabits/s |
| 05:18.04 | xbmodder_lappy | 100Mbit... |
| 05:18.17 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: no.. |
| 05:18.30 | nick125 | 100Mbit would be 11M/s *est* |
| 05:19.02 | xbmodder_lappy | err no |
| 05:19.12 | xbmodder_lappy | ~12.5 |
| 05:19.20 | nick125 | i said estimated |
| 05:19.28 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 05:19.33 | xbmodder_lappy | I thought that was "Test" |
| 05:19.38 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:19.39 | xbmodder_lappy | I like holy-**** |
| 05:20.30 | nick125 | it would be nice to have fios |
| 05:20.42 | nick125 | 50mbit |
| 05:21.19 | findlay | eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex |
| 05:21.43 | nick125 | that means s[3 letters censored] |
| 05:21.51 | nick125 | that means your NIC is at 100Mbps |
| 05:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 05:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
| 05:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported |
| 05:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth3' failed: Invalid argument |
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| 05:22.14 | xbmodder_lappy | SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 05:22.15 | xbmodder_lappy | eth1: autonegotiation restarted, no link |
| 05:22.16 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf... |
| 05:22.25 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf is wrong with atarack serves? |
| 05:22.32 | xbmodder_lappy | Oh, I forgot, stupid XEN! |
| 05:22.50 | nick125 | lol |
| 05:48.27 | mheath_ | Hmm |
| 05:48.27 | mheath_ | Anyone know where the term "86" originated from? |
| 05:48.36 | xbmodder_lappy | iirc 8086 processor |
| 05:48.38 | mheath_ | That is, I know many restraunts will use "86" as "no". As in "86 the french fries, substitute mash potatoes" |
| 05:48.55 | xbmodder_lappy | oh. |
| 05:48.56 | mheath_ | Particularly in the modern computer systems many restraunts now use |
| 05:50.28 | mheath_ | Wow. I'm looking through the security clearance questionaire I'm going to have to fill out in a few months |
| 05:50.45 | mheath_ | I'm just going to have to dig and find a lot of addresses and such |
| 05:55.33 | levi | Arg. |
| 05:55.45 | levi | My Windows machine died catastrophically. |
| 05:56.24 | mheath_ | I'm going to have DSS agents going around and interviewing everyone I know |
| 05:56.31 | mheath_ | And some poeple I don't know well (neighbors, etc) |
| 05:56.45 | findlay | levi: that means it's time |
| 05:57.11 | findlay | time to leave that cliche, banal OS forever |
| 05:57.46 | levi | It runs my games. |
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| 05:59.28 | mheath_ | Would you trust me with secrets vital to the security of our country? |
| 05:59.35 | mheath_ | Thats basically what they're going to be asking everyone |
| 06:00.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I lol |
| 06:00.34 | mheath_ | For the lesser security clearances, they just do a computer check (federal and local)....my higher level clearance will mean they'll do lots of field interviews with my employers, educators, friends, acquaintances, neighbors, etc. |
| 06:01.09 | emcnabb | and people on #utah? |
| 06:01.38 | findlay | emcnabb: do you trust mheath_ with the security of our country? |
| 06:02.01 | emcnabb | um... well... |
| 06:02.12 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath_, I probably would get downgraded if they talked to my educators, and neighbors |
| 06:02.42 | mheath_ | My neighbors barely know me anymore |
| 06:02.51 | mheath_ | My educators will all speak very highly of me. |
| 06:02.58 | nick125 | "umm..yeah, hes that weird guy that lives next door" |
| 06:03.43 | emcnabb | just tell them to join #utah for a few minutes |
| 06:03.51 | emcnabb | we'll say good things about you |
| 06:03.56 | mheath_ | emcnabb: haha. |
| 06:04.03 | mheath_ | I have no idea if they do online contacts like that |
| 06:04.21 | emcnabb | we'll lart them like they've never been larted before |
| 06:04.26 | nick125 | LOL |
| 06:04.28 | mheath_ | They might, but I doubt it. It's hard to verify the integrity of online information. |
| 06:04.41 | emcnabb | ~lart government_agent |
| 06:04.49 | nick125 | mheath_: exactly |
| 06:04.57 | nick125 | they dont know if its just you logged in 40 times |
| 06:05.22 | mheath_ | I'll possibly be informed of where our navy's ships will be months in advance |
| 06:05.44 | mheaths_grandma | mheath_ is a swell lad |
| 06:05.49 | nick125 | yes he is.. |
| 06:06.04 | mheath_ | As well as be on the Bridge frequently, where some of the top officers may be discussing or executing secure things. |
| 06:07.04 | mheaths_grandma | look at that cute face, you could trust him with anything |
| 06:07.38 | emcnabb | would that fly? |
| 06:07.40 | nick125 | no |
| 06:07.49 | nick125 | .:23:05:24:. ==> Nickchange: emcnabb is now known as mheaths_grandma |
| 06:07.53 | nick125 | that might give it away |
| 06:07.53 | findlay | emcnabb, after all, is an FBI agent, so Big Brother already knows all about mheath_ |
| 06:08.02 | nick125 | he is? |
| 06:08.03 | nick125 | woops |
| 06:08.08 | mheath_ | Wow. I'm kind of surprised.... |
| 06:08.14 | emcnabb | nick125: I'm watching you |
| 06:08.18 | mheath_ | The questions this security clearance questionairse asks you |
| 06:08.26 | findlay | watch -n 1 nick125 |
| 06:08.29 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:08.39 | mheath_ | They don't care about 1) Drug use before you were 16, or 2) Limited Underage alcohol drinking |
| 06:08.49 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:09.03 | mheath_ | The only question it asks about alcohol: |
| 06:09.35 | mheath_ | "In the last 7 years, has your use of alcoholic beverages (such as liquor, beer, wine) resulted in any alcohol-related treatment or counseling (such as for alcohol abuse or alcoholism)? |
| 06:10.33 | mheath_ | Haha |
| 06:11.04 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:11.05 | findlay | ~haha |
| 06:11.05 | ibot | I call that haha |
| 06:11.10 | findlay | ~hahaha |
| 06:11.10 | ibot | methinks hahaha is http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 06:11.11 | brac | [Shacknews - Screenshots] |
| 06:11.16 | findlay | ~hahahaha |
| 06:11.26 | mheath_ | "Have you ever been an officer or a member or made a contribution to an organization dedicated to the violent overthrow of the United States Government and which engages in illegal activities to that end, knowing that the organization engages in such activities with the specific intent to further such activities?" |
| 06:11.33 | mheath_ | I love the wording |
| 06:12.02 | mheath_ | I can just picture some guy..."But..no...I was an *officer* of the organization!"...mandating another revision of the questionaire :P |
| 06:12.37 | mheath_ | Argh, speaking of Big Brother watching you: |
| 06:13.49 | mheath_ | I authorize any investigator, special agent, or other duly accredited representative of the authorized Federal agency conducting my background investigation, to obatin any information relating to my activites from individuals, schools, residental management agents, employers, criminal justice agencies, credit bureaus, consumer reporting agencies, collection agencies, retail business establishments or other sources of information." |
| 06:15.09 | mheath_ | This information may include, but is not limited to, my academic, residental, achievement, performance, attendance, discipilinary, employement history, criminal history record information, and financial and credit information. I authorize the Federal agency conduting my investigation to disclose the record of my background investigation to the requesting agency for the purpose of making a determination of suitability or eligibility for a |
| 06:15.09 | mheath_ | secuiry clearance. |
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| 06:50.27 | maquis | hey... i thought i was the FBI agent!! |
| 06:53.29 | maquis | mheath_: doesn't the government already have rights to all that information? or at least they will in the next year or two at this rate |
| 07:19.14 | levi | That stuff all sounds like it's more or less public information. |
| 07:19.30 | levi | At least, it's in databases already and they just have to pay a fee to get at it. |
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| 09:17.53 | QBFreak | is there a nice commonly-installed linux command line tool for compressing files to a .zip archive? |
| 09:20.08 | QBFreak | wha...I could have sworn 'zip' gave a 'not found' error |
| 09:24.59 | QBFreak | neever mind |
| 10:39.05 | QBFreak | arrrrr |
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| 15:48.41 | emcnabb | http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/4630 |
| 15:52.13 | Jayce^ | http://www.micom.net/oops/fast%20bike-slow%20car.jpg |
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| 16:02.44 | sjansen | *blink* *blink* |
| 16:03.16 | Jayce^ | http://www.micom.net/oops/yeah_its_a_woman.jpg |
| 16:03.29 | Jayce^ | heck, just hit that oops/ dir and there are a bunch of good ones |
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| 16:24.05 | edeefelt | Is there an easy query in MySQL to: for all contents in row1 of table 1, return only those rows in table 2 that DON'T match. In other words, find entries in table 2 that are not in table 1? |
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| 16:24.29 | edeefelt | any ideas helpful (don't want to write a script to do it, just want one query if possible) |
| 16:26.34 | xbmodder_ | hi |
| 16:27.55 | edeefelt | basically looking for the opposite of: SELECT column1.table1 FROM table1,table2 WHERE column1.table1 = column2.table2; |
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| 16:35.34 | edeefelt | figured it out, just needed a LEFT JOIN |
| 16:35.36 | edeefelt | thanks anyways |
| 16:44.57 | levi | Morning, folks. |
| 16:45.51 | sjansen | ~pie levi |
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| 17:45.33 | maquis | http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/02/the_new_face_of_phishing_1.html |
| 17:45.33 | brac | [Security Fix - Brian Krebs on Computer and Internet Security - (washingtonpost.com)] |
| 17:47.01 | lars-ut | I'm looking for a local shop to build me a cheap business PC this week(around $450 w/o OS, 512MB memory) - any suggestions? |
| 17:47.45 | lars-ut | Salt Lake or Utah Valley would be fine. |
| 17:59.22 | phinux | I don't know much about them myself, but friend of mine was pretty happy with Totally Awesome Computers. |
| 18:00.40 | findlay | TAC can have good prices, but I'd check with lots of places on prices before going out |
| 18:00.46 | lars-ut | phinux: just got off the phone with PC Club - looks like they can do well on this. $520 w/ OS installed - XP Pro - this box will be on a Domain that runs a Samba Debian PDC. |
| 18:00.52 | lars-ut | I should call TAC anyway? |
| 18:01.08 | findlay | www.totallyawesomecomputers.com |
| 18:06.52 | lars-ut | tech answered, I've been waiting for 3min now |
| 18:10.51 | RyanE | levi: was it you who was saying you liked GT Automotive in Sandy? |
| 18:11.04 | levi | RyanE: Yup. |
| 18:11.04 | phinux | yuck |
| 18:11.32 | RyanE | phinux: you have a different opinion, or a yuck for some other reason? |
| 18:11.39 | lars-ut | Totally Awesome just quoted me $800 over the phone for same CPU as PC Club |
| 18:11.48 | RyanE | I need to get my clutch replaced in my stupid old '90 nissan pickup. |
| 18:12.03 | phinux | Yuck for being on hold for a sales person. |
| 18:12.12 | lars-ut | they then referred me to their TAC website for cheaper systems that only carry a 1-year warranty |
| 18:12.18 | phinux | So much for TAC |
| 18:12.32 | levi | lars-ut: But it's Totally Awesome, so it's worth the extra money! |
| 18:12.47 | lars-ut | phinux: they said it would take a week to build something ordered off their web site |
| 18:12.55 | RyanE | if it was only Awesome, I'd think twice, but since it's Totally Awesome, it's worth it! |
| 18:13.00 | lars-ut | any other local shop suggestions? |
| 18:13.11 | phinux | Remember the good ol' days when building your own computer was cheaper? |
| 18:13.28 | levi | Would a guy like Super Dell lie to you? It's gotta be worth it. |
| 18:13.32 | RyanE | hehe |
| 18:13.40 | RyanE | yes, he would. :) |
| 18:13.45 | findlay | lars-ut: EBC. Muwhahaha!! |
| 18:14.24 | levi | I may need to get a new PC soon, if my current one pulls the same stunt it did a couple of days ago. |
| 18:14.33 | levi | It started randomly crashing really hard. |
| 18:14.38 | lars-ut | PC Club is looking pretty good to me. |
| 18:15.03 | levi | And eventually, it totally hosed the first hard drive. |
| 18:15.07 | lars-ut | findlay: EBC's system prices seemed pretty porr on their site, albeit better than TAC |
| 18:15.09 | findlay | speaking of which, where is herlo? He's supposed to carpool me to the Alan Kay lecture tomorrow |
| 18:15.24 | findlay | lars-ut: for overall price, you can't beat newegg |
| 18:15.40 | levi | The top level directories got renamed to funky variants of the original names, and got turned to files with all the directory contents concatenated together or something. |
| 18:15.56 | lars-ut | findlay: I like local shops for warranty issues - faster to resolve |
| 18:16.33 | lars-ut | findlay: If a hard drive crashes, I just bring in the system & they hand me a replacement part |
| 18:16.45 | phinux | Ah, but if you build it yourself you'll have easy access to the son of a gun who didn't make you a decent computer. |
| 18:16.55 | lars-ut | lol |
| 18:17.16 | lars-ut | not for work |
| 18:18.34 | lars-ut | findlay: herlo mentioned the carpool last night at board game night, he isn't always on IRC though |
| 18:25.00 | findlay | lars-ut: LS Micro went out of business a year ago |
| 18:25.11 | findlay | ): |
| 18:26.42 | lars-ut | D'oh! That would explain the disconnected phone # |
| 18:34.17 | findlay | ~praise #utah |
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| 18:36.22 | brando1 | Just curious, anyone a drum player here? musicians friend has some good deals right now, but I've never played so I need some advice. |
| 18:37.06 | findlay | I always thought Yamaha was good, but what do I know? |
| 18:37.42 | findlay | brando1: dilvie might know although he's not here right now |
| 18:37.56 | phinux | brando1: do you play? |
| 18:40.46 | phinux | The general advice is don't invest in something unless you're sure you like it. |
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| 18:44.17 | findlay | although zildjian seems to make the best cymbals out there |
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| 19:14.04 | Hhhhh | has anybody gone to the engineering career fair at BYU? |
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| 19:25.14 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. |
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| 19:25.21 | TimRiker | too late |
| 19:25.31 | findlay | TimRiker: is that a backdoor or a bug? |
| 19:25.37 | TimRiker | feature. |
| 19:25.39 | findlay | or intentional behavior |
| 19:25.43 | findlay | ah |
| 19:26.52 | sjansen | ~lart TimRiker |
| 19:27.06 | sjansen | TimRiker: bot killer :-( |
| 19:28.27 | sjansen | ~lart tensai |
| 19:28.32 | sjansen | ~lart Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:28.43 | sjansen | Better. Much better. |
| 19:30.13 | findlay | ~hug ibot |
| 19:30.15 | ibot | ACTION hugs ibot |
| 19:32.25 | tensai | sjansen: http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2006/02/21/a-pro-php-rant/ |
| 19:32.39 | findlay | ~hug php |
| 19:32.40 | ibot | ACTION hugs php |
| 19:33.50 | tensai | brac: you awake? |
| 19:33.54 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 19:34.43 | findlay | ~hug brac |
| 19:34.44 | ibot | ACTION hugs brac |
| 19:34.58 | findlay | ~hug Dave. |
| 19:35.00 | ibot | ACTION hugs Dave. |
| 19:44.25 | sjansen | tensai: I was already aware of all but the the Unicode work for PHP6. Doesn't change the fact that I've suffered greatly at the hands of PHP. |
| 19:46.25 | sjansen | 1) Because PHP is so ad-hoc. Lack of cohesive design led to serious security problems. Almost all of the dangerous stuff is still there. 2) The PHP community is filled to overflowing with amateurs who couldn't code their way out of a paper bag. |
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| 19:54.13 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 19:55.26 | findlay | ~buckybot brac |
| 19:55.27 | ibot | brac: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 20:03.46 | findlay | lag, me? what? |
| 20:03.51 | findlay | ~lart lag |
| 20:03.56 | findlay | heh |
| 20:04.40 | mheath_ | Yah, my coat and book came in the mail. |
| 20:10.08 | elg | anyone tried quod libet? |
| 20:10.37 | elg | http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/wiki |
| 20:13.41 | levi | Hmm, interesting. |
| 20:14.24 | elg | i'm not home or I'd be trying it now |
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| 21:04.29 | sjansen | pygtk++ |
| 21:06.21 | mrpull- | sjansen: what are you working on? |
| 21:09.31 | sjansen | In-house project. Basically, an interface for managing our training content. |
| 21:13.37 | findlay | how do you switch the focus from one window to another in vim? |
| 21:14.25 | dataw0lf | ctrl-w <directional> |
| 21:14.30 | tensai | c-w + direction k |
| 21:14.34 | tensai | s/k/key/ |
| 21:14.49 | tensai | ~curse dataw0lf for beating me to the punch |
| 21:14.51 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dataw0lf for beating me to the punch ! |
| 21:14.56 | dataw0lf | :| |
| 21:15.02 | tensai | ibot: now that's a little harsh |
| 21:16.12 | findlay | well, at least now I'm one instance closer to competence in this sea of troubles |
| 21:16.56 | dataw0lf | findlay: whatcha working on? |
| 21:17.20 | dataw0lf | just learning vim? |
| 21:17.51 | findlay | vim("perl+cgi"); |
| 21:18.23 | dataw0lf | that was a weird programming metaphor |
| 21:18.27 | dataw0lf | but okie |
| 21:19.40 | dataw0lf | s/wierd/weird |
| 21:22.02 | sjansen | s/wierd/wired/ |
| 21:22.54 | dataw0lf | s/wired/livewire > mouth |
| 21:23.40 | dataw0lf | anyone seen ipcop in action? I'm interested in seeing how they interface with iptables |
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| 21:25.06 | findlay | herlo! |
| 21:25.16 | findlay | where have you been young man? |
| 21:25.25 | findlay | (: |
| 21:29.09 | herlo | so I turn it off when I am trying to focus |
| 21:31.30 | herlo | findlay? |
| 21:32.38 | dataw0lf | anyone know whether today's Lost episode is a rerun or a new episode? |
| 21:32.39 | findlay | still going the the Alan Kay thing tomorrow? |
| 21:33.24 | dataw0lf | ah, it's a rerun. |
| 21:33.26 | dataw0lf | :( |
| 21:33.53 | findlay | or it's lost |
| 21:33.59 | findlay | (: |
| 21:34.14 | tensai | dataw0lf: next new episode is 3/1 |
| 21:34.45 | dataw0lf | tensai: dang. That sucks. |
| 21:35.13 | tensai | dataw0lf: let me call my friends at ABC and see what I can do... |
| 21:35.41 | dataw0lf | heh. I have the infamous 24 set number. |
| 21:36.02 | herlo | findlay: yes, was going to meet at the park'nride at 1200 W 800 N in Orem. Is that close to you? |
| 21:36.15 | findlay | close enough |
| 21:36.31 | findlay | when? |
| 21:36.38 | levi | Perhaps I'll meet you guys there. |
| 21:36.40 | herlo | findlay: I realized after the fact however, that I will most likely only be able to go to the evening one, were you planning on doing both or just the $100 laptop one... |
| 21:37.43 | findlay | I was wanting to go to both, so maybe I'll just drive and advertise on the list that I'm going to both |
| 21:37.48 | herlo | finday/levi: I can possibly take 1/2 day off tomorrow, but not sure yet |
| 21:38.07 | levi | I'll be at both. |
| 21:38.30 | herlo | What time does the first one start? |
| 21:38.56 | findlay | 3:30 |
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| 21:39.26 | herlo | oh, that's not too bad, maybe I can leave at 2pm, noone will even notice I am gone for a while. /me is considering this seriously now |
| 21:40.39 | nick125 | xbmodder_: poke :p |
| 21:41.52 | findlay | starts at 3:30, so we'd have to leave by 2:30 |
| 21:42.11 | herlo | yeah, I live/work in Springville |
| 21:42.18 | herlo | findlay/levi: you guys? |
| 21:42.27 | harleypig | homina homina homina |
| 21:42.36 | herlo | The Muppets!!! |
| 21:42.53 | harleypig | I need to write a irssi plugin that randomly inserts wierd stuff into a channel I'm on. |
| 21:43.01 | harleypig | Naw ... that's manamana |
| 21:43.05 | herlo | haha |
| 21:43.11 | harleypig | homina is from Eddie Murphy. |
| 21:43.13 | herlo | harleypig: you are right. |
| 21:43.22 | herlo | sorry, I was close! |
| 21:43.27 | harleypig | but thanks herlo, now I need to find that song. |
| 21:43.28 | herlo | :-D |
| 21:43.38 | herlo | I have the episode |
| 21:43.51 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:44.02 | sjansen | harleypig: using a plugin is cheating |
| 21:44.06 | levi | herlo: I live in Sandy, work in Bluffdale. |
| 21:44.30 | harleypig | sjansen: why? |
| 21:44.34 | herlo | k, that's on the way for me...I could be near you by 2:45 or so, depending on who is going. Let me check with my people... |
| 21:44.37 | findlay | levi: what's the point in carpooling then. Just jump on trax |
| 21:44.40 | sjansen | harleypig: tomatoe |
| 21:44.53 | levi | findlay: I'm not carpooling. I'm just saying I may see you guys there. |
| 21:44.59 | findlay | ok |
| 21:45.02 | levi | Of course, I have no idea what you look like. |
| 21:45.03 | herlo | oh |
| 21:45.20 | herlo | levi: I am the sexiest man you will have ever seen |
| 21:45.57 | dataw0lf | herlo: *ahem* 2nd sexiest |
| 21:46.08 | herlo | dataw)lf: will you be there? |
| 21:46.19 | herlo | if so, be prepared to be shot down... |
| 21:46.38 | dataw0lf | what's going on? |
| 21:46.39 | levi | Maybe I'll wear my suede ivy cap, for recognizability. |
| 21:47.19 | herlo | I will be wearing a Owlz ballcap |
| 21:47.43 | harleypig | sjansen: potatoe? |
| 21:47.44 | findlay | and I just got a haircut, so you may not recognize me anyway |
| 21:49.36 | herlo | so it looks like it will be just me at 2:00 or so. finday, do you know anyone else who would like to go? I had 3 for the evening, one bailed and the other can drive up on his own for the evening |
| 21:50.28 | dataw0lf | somone fill me in |
| 21:50.33 | dataw0lf | s/somone/someone |
| 21:51.07 | findlay | so 1200 W 800 N in Orem at 2:30PM |
| 21:52.29 | herlo | dataw0lf: Allan Kay is speaking at University of Utah http://www.windley.com/archives/2006/02/alan_kaye_organ.shtml |
| 21:52.49 | findlay | herlo: is that satisfactory for you? |
| 21:55.02 | findlay | herlo: that's fine |
| 21:55.13 | findlay | do you mind if we take trax? |
| 21:55.27 | findlay | and you can forgo paying me for gas? |
| 21:56.08 | herlo | no, but we have to get to Sandy for trax. I could drive to there I suppose, unless you are willing... |
| 21:56.51 | findlay | I'm willing to drive. I just think it's more feasible to park at a trax lot than try to find a space at UU campus |
| 21:57.00 | herlo | fair enough... |
| 21:57.23 | findlay | their parking policy is worse than either BYU and UVSC, IMO (: |
| 21:57.24 | herlo | 2:30 at the park n ride works for me. What time do you want to meet up with us levi? |
| 21:57.39 | herlo | findlay: that does suck, I didn't even consider that... |
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| 21:58.39 | levi | Hmm. When would we have to be at Sandy Trax to get there on time? |
| 21:59.54 | sjansen | noon-ish |
| 22:00.18 | sjansen | (Ignore me. It's been years since I rode Trax. But I remember it taking awhile.) |
| 22:00.39 | findlay | 2:29 PM |
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| 22:01.49 | findlay | we'd have to leave from Orem at about 2 then |
| 22:02.18 | nick125 | We're sorry. My T-Mobile's Billing feature is currently undergoing scheduled maintenance to improve the site for you. Please try again later. |
| 22:03.33 | levi | sjansen: Why weren't you planning on going?! |
| 22:05.29 | findlay | herlo: 2:00 PM? |
| 22:06.22 | sjansen | levi: going to what? |
| 22:06.38 | levi | 2:30 trax from Sandy should land you at the stadium trax at 3:13 |
| 22:07.29 | findlay | levi: 2:29 |
| 22:07.50 | levi | findlay: There's no 2:29. |
| 22:07.56 | herlo | findlay: 2pm should work |
| 22:08.16 | levi | findlay: There's 2:01, 2:16, and 2:31 |
| 22:08.59 | findlay | levi: did you look on the UTA site? |
| 22:09.04 | levi | findlay: Yes. |
| 22:09.34 | levi | The 2:16 sandy stop should get you to the stadium at 2:58 |
| 22:10.08 | findlay | http://utabus.com/schedulesAndMaps/routeSchedules/viewSchedule.aspx?abbreviation=701&dir=1&service=4&signup=57&pdaView=False |
| 22:10.32 | levi | Oh, I'm talking about the 90th S stop. |
| 22:10.35 | mheath_ | mmm, my new coat |
| 22:10.36 | mheath_ | I love it |
| 22:10.43 | mheath_ | Good thing, considering it cost me $130. |
| 22:14.03 | findlay | levi: do you think we need to be there earlier than 3:13? |
| 22:14.42 | levi | Probably not, unless we get lost looking for the building/room. |
| 22:15.00 | findlay | I know precisely where the building/room is (: |
| 22:15.06 | findlay | I used to work at UU |
| 22:15.16 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 22:15.52 | levi | Well, I suppose I can go to the 100th S Sandy stop for the 2:29 pickup there. |
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| 22:16.33 | findlay | levi: is the 90th stop closer, because it's easier to get to from the freeway |
| 22:16.55 | levi | It's certainly closer to me. |
| 22:17.11 | levi | And it is easier to get to from the freeway. |
| 22:17.14 | findlay | OK, then 90th |
| 22:19.12 | levi | So, the 2:31 train at the 90th S stop. I'll be there. |
| 22:19.28 | mheath_ | Hmm. Has anyone here ever been to a military funeral? |
| 22:19.34 | mheath_ | That is, military honors at the funeral. |
| 22:19.57 | hans | extra extra, on plug, another predictable case of mormon foot-in-the-mouth and nonmormon overreaction |
| 22:22.40 | hans | me too |
| 22:23.21 | levi | We just went over Hobbes in my ethics class. It's interesting to view the opinions of people through the lens of different ethical/political systems. |
| 22:24.19 | Bradipo | tensai: There hasn't been a political discussion on plug in a long while... |
| 22:24.32 | hans | i'm still tired of them. ;-) |
| 22:24.34 | Bradipo | Not that it justifies it. |
| 22:24.40 | mheath_ | This is weird |
| 22:24.45 | Bradipo | But I had noticed that it was relatively quiet. |
| 22:25.02 | mheath_ | Everytime I've heard of military honors at a funeral, or seen it in movies, its been a small honor guard at the grave side |
| 22:25.21 | tensai | once a day, once a month, once a year. I don't need 'em. |
| 22:25.24 | mheath_ | But the MC DCM prescribes a large ceremony, with lots of men, and a large procession. |
| 22:26.04 | tensai | Bradipo: maybe it's time for a good ole fashioned vi vs emacs debate |
| 22:26.17 | Bradipo | How about a vi vs vim debate? |
| 22:26.20 | Bradipo | That's newer... |
| 22:26.32 | tensai | there are people who actually prefer vi to vim? |
| 22:27.23 | Bradipo | There may be some that don't care for vim. |
| 22:28.29 | mheath_ | Hmm, apparently thats just for flag officers. |
| 22:28.37 | mheath_ | officers get less, and enlisted men get even less. |
| 22:28.55 | sjansen | tensai: fascist |
| 22:29.04 | mheath_ | flag officers could potentially get a whole batallion of men and a band providing funeral honors |
| 22:29.08 | mheath_ | Officers get 21 men |
| 22:29.12 | mheath_ | Enlisted get 8 |
| 22:29.31 | Bradipo | What is a flag officer? Someone who carries the flag into battle? |
| 22:29.46 | tensai | sjansen: people can use whatever they want, no matter how dumb emacs or plain old vi are |
| 22:29.47 | levi | Too many enlisted men die to assign all those people to all their funerals. |
| 22:30.04 | mheath_ | Bradipo: A flag officer is an admiral. The equivelent Airforce and Army term is "General Officer". |
| 22:30.08 | levi | tensai: Or no matter how dumb vim is. ;) |
| 22:30.15 | mheath_ | They're called flag officers because they have a flag |
| 22:30.16 | tensai | ~lart levi |
| 22:30.28 | Bradipo | tensai: While I can't say I prefer vi over vim, I do use vi more often than vim and seem to have no problem using either. |
| 22:30.33 | mheath_ | For example, when we have a rear-admiral up at the reserve center, they fly a blue flag with a single star on it. |
| 22:31.00 | Bradipo | Lately I've also been using vi mode in my shells and its been growing on me. |
| 22:31.02 | mheath_ | A "flag officer". |
| 22:31.19 | Bradipo | mheath_: I see. |
| 22:31.43 | Bradipo | tensai: Which thread is politically oriented? |
| 22:31.51 | findlay | I'm thinking of going with a combination of sed, ed, awk, and cut |
| 22:31.52 | Bradipo | The Pete Ashdown one? |
| 22:32.02 | tensai | Bradipo: uvlug presents pete ashdown |
| 22:32.15 | mheath_ | I wonder who they'd present the folded flag to, for my dad. |
| 22:32.18 | Bradipo | findlay: I generally prefer sed, awk when I have to make repetitive modifications. |
| 22:32.19 | findlay | either that or VC++.StUdIo.NET |
| 22:32.37 | Bradipo | mheath_: Not your mother? |
| 22:32.46 | mheath_ | Usually its a wife or mother, but my mother has already passed away. |
| 22:32.47 | findlay | Bradipo: I was being sarcastic, but they are very useful |
| 22:32.57 | Bradipo | That's a very good question... |
| 22:33.03 | Bradipo | First born maybe? |
| 22:33.14 | mheath_ | Maybe. Hmm. |
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| 22:34.04 | Bradipo | Does Pete have a ``positions'' page where he lists his opinions on various topics? |
| 22:39.20 | tensai | Bradipo: http://vote.peteashdown.org/issues/ |
| 22:39.21 | brac | [Pete Ashdown on the Issues] |
| 22:39.33 | findlay | argh...th...sp... |
| 22:39.47 | findlay | ~lart stuff |
| 22:40.52 | Bradipo | tensai: Thanks. |
| 22:41.07 | Bradipo | ibot, next time why don't you just give me the babygrand? I will gladly pay the shipping on it! |
| 22:41.34 | findlay | ibot: I want a 10' Fazioli |
| 22:41.35 | ibot | You want a 10' Fazioli? |
| 22:44.54 | findlay | ibot: yes |
| 22:44.55 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 22:45.13 | tensai | ibot: you crack me up |
| 22:48.01 | RyanE | or we could have a JoshH vs. JoshC smackdown, which is what that thread appears to be mutating into. |
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| 22:48.54 | dataw0lf | RyanE: oooh |
| 22:48.58 | dataw0lf | I'm a Josh too! |
| 22:49.10 | findlay | Josh* thread |
| 22:49.53 | findlay | typeglob Josh*; Josh*->Flame(); |
| 22:50.38 | nick125 | *blinks* |
| 22:51.46 | findlay | not sure how that's possible, though |
| 22:53.44 | dataw0lf | I had to respond to Coates this time. |
| 22:54.47 | mrpull- | heh. i love a good flame war. |
| 22:55.19 | mrpull- | dataw0lf: smarmy? |
| 22:55.59 | mrpull- | Jayce^: i heard they want to take away your guns too! |
| 22:56.36 | goozbach | oh noes! |
| 22:56.46 | Jayce^ | hehehe.. mrpull- this one was more fun :) |
| 22:57.06 | Jayce^ | and slightly brings it back on topic :) |
| 22:57.39 | RyanE | Jayce^: that one was great, even though I'm not a perl-lover. |
| 22:57.50 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hehe, |
| 22:57.54 | dataw0lf | Jayce^++ |
| 22:58.17 | sjansen | Jayce^++ |
| 23:06.05 | Jayce^ | later folks, enjoy the flames :) |
| 23:09.29 | harleypig | help account |
| 23:09.34 | harleypig | woops |
| 23:09.44 | findlay | ~help harleypig |
| 23:11.30 | JoshH | RyanE: it won't be a smackdown between me and him, because i know that most of his posts are trolls or flames, and i won't bother responding to him anymore unless he says something valid |
| 23:12.04 | JoshH | and jayce, ya, nice :) |
| 23:12.14 | JoshH | err, i guess he left |
| 23:20.19 | lars-ut | I just went through the 'Pete Ashdown' thread on plug, and I'm not sure what the argument is |
| 23:21.25 | lars-ut | seems like the focus is more on flair than the merits of a position on a given topic |
| 23:23.25 | findlay | ~lart flair |
| 23:23.28 | findlay | ibot: ? |
| 23:25.47 | findlay | ~dict aliteration |
| 23:25.56 | findlay | ~spell aliteration |
| 23:26.05 | findlay | ~dict alliteration |
| 23:26.15 | lars-ut | JoshH: If you want to debate on political topics on plug's mailing list it might be helpful to start a new, more focused thread in this case |
| 23:29.48 | JoshH | i don't really care THAT much, some guy just said porn should be treated like drugs because it harms society, i gave my opinion that it doesn't, asked how it does, and gave my opinion that porn is a pointless issue when it comes to voting. the guy i originally responded to hasn't replied yet, and unfortunately, coates decided to be a prick, which is what he is best at i guess. |
| 23:30.36 | JoshH | i don't post on any lists that often, but i always read them, and i don't think i have ever seen a post from coates that wasn't a troll or flame |
| 23:31.24 | lars-ut | hmmm... |
| 23:31.46 | lars-ut | I'd posit that, like most of us, he just has a big ego |
| 23:32.31 | lars-ut | maybe that would be too simple a response, though. |
| 23:34.17 | JoshH | ya, i guess. it just seemed kinda silly to me to reduce my post to a "pro-porn" argument, and then demand that i supply a bunch of information to back it up... |
| 23:35.00 | lars-ut | does seem oversimplified |
| 23:35.13 | lars-ut | JoshH: I've never had a conversation with Josh C, or attended a presentation/speech given by him, but I'll admit I've been impressed by his experience and arguments, even when I'm inclined to disagree |
| 23:35.48 | lars-ut | this particluar thread does not seem like it's going anywhere though. |
| 23:37.38 | JoshH | probably not |
| 23:38.55 | lars-ut | JoshH: It seems odd to me how quickly Josh C is dismissed by the plug list as a whole. |
| 23:39.24 | lars-ut | I find that if he posts, there are immediately knee-jerk type responses. |
| 23:39.34 | lars-ut | on _any_ topic |
| 23:40.38 | lars-ut | I'd be surprised if Josh C posted something, and afterward there was a lack of follow up, or the end of a thread. |
| 23:41.45 | lars-ut | back to style, culture, and ego maybe... |
| 23:43.07 | RyanE | and humor. JoshC's posts generally (not this thread, really) make me laugh. |
| 23:43.35 | RyanE | this post, on the other hand, has been (with the exception of Jayce^) been pretty humorless. |
| 23:44.03 | JoshH | i think jayce was the only person trying to be funny :) |
| 23:44.08 | lars-ut | that must be what's missing |
| 23:44.29 | lars-ut | lack of an argument _and_ lack of humor |
| 23:46.59 | JoshH | what was that, i didn't see it |
| 23:47.26 | lars-ut | something about pulling info out his arse, if I remember correctly |
| 23:48.27 | lars-ut | I found it funny that these 2, who both seem very well educated, slipped into crass remarks to make a point |
| 23:49.00 | lars-ut | You guys missed out on a great game of Settlers of Catan last night. |
| 23:49.05 | lars-ut | I lost. |
| 23:49.07 | lars-ut | :( |
| 23:49.20 | lars-ut | 13 points to win |
| 23:49.30 | lars-ut | we had 5 players, lowest score was 10 points |
| 23:49.41 | lars-ut | We played Cities & Knights |
| 23:50.24 | lars-ut | I think it was also the longest game of Cities & Knights I've ever played - a little over 4 hours. |
| 23:50.29 | RyanE | I was pretty close to coming last night, but my Truck broke down yesterday. |
| 23:50.36 | lars-ut | ouch. |
| 23:50.37 | RyanE | and most Tuesdays, unfortunately, I have to go to YM. |
| 23:50.53 | RyanE | I'll stay on the list, though, and see if I can work it out one of these weeks. |
| 23:50.55 | lars-ut | One of the guys that attends regularly is YM pres |
| 23:51.14 | RyanE | I'm not certain that I can get it past the wife, though, as I already attend a regular Games Night once a month. |
| 23:51.44 | lars-ut | jsmith just purchased the game & said that that helped on the wife side of things. |
| 23:52.01 | lars-ut | His fmaily played 5 or 6 times the first week. |
| 23:52.04 | JoshH | i haven't heard of those games, but i assume you aren't talking about a lan party. |
| 23:53.00 | lars-ut | It'd be great if you any of you could make it - people attend when they can, only 3 of us are regulars, but we usually have 4 or more people attend. |
| 23:53.51 | Tene | where? |
| 23:53.54 | RyanE | We've had Settlers for years. The wife likes it, along with other games. |
| 23:54.02 | lars-ut | Tene: Springville |
| 23:54.10 | RyanE | just I've been doing once a month for 10 years, and I don't think she'll go for 5 times a month. :) |
| 23:54.29 | lars-ut | RyanE: Yeah, that could be a problem... |
| 23:54.49 | lars-ut | It can be easier if you offer her a scrapbooking night in return... |
| 23:56.49 | lars-ut | http://boardgames.herlo.org/?q=node/1 |
| 23:57.19 | lars-ut | Welcome to BHO - BoardGames every Tuesday @ 8:30pm |
| 23:58.01 | sjansen | python question: How do I exec('/bin/command --with-multiple --user-configurable --args "like this"') ? |
| 23:58.15 | lars-ut | JoshH: Rules & strategy, expansions & additional game variants for Settlers of Catan. |
| 23:58.15 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlers_of_Catan |
| 23:59.07 | JoshH | ah, i see |
