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| 03:04.23 | nick125_ | YAY!! |
| 03:04.37 | nick125_ | ~lart speakeasy |
| 03:21.59 | maquis | ~lart brac for still not being here |
| 03:22.12 | maquis | ~lart elg for killing brac |
| 03:26.24 | findlay_ | maquis: it was my fault |
| 03:26.35 | maquis | ~lart findlay_ |
| 03:26.50 | findlay_ | brac was thrashing on some huge jpegs that I pasted |
| 03:28.04 | findlay | ~lart something |
| 03:30.09 | findlay | although brac's not supposed to do that |
| 03:30.32 | findlay | so hans just killed him for now |
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| 04:07.50 | Uncle_Jesse | what's the best merchant account that will allow me to accept credit cards on my own website? I want to start selling songs from my Brother's CD, but don't want to pay much. |
| 04:09.00 | maquis | ~onjoin ibot I'm Back! |
| 04:09.00 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 04:12.36 | colera | Uncle_Jesse: pay-pal? |
| 04:17.51 | Uncle_Jesse | colera: The problem with that is they also have to have a paypal account for there to be no charge. I want a shopping cart-type system if at all possible. |
| 04:18.42 | colera | this is kind of random but i was wondering if anyone knew a good place where i could get a rom for super mario brothers NES? |
| 04:18.53 | colera | i have a wierd desire to play that game |
| 04:19.09 | Uncle_Jesse | colera: have you tried some of the P2P apps like Limewire or Azureus? |
| 04:19.12 | colera | Uncle_Jesse: i see |
| 04:19.24 | jnbek | there are alot of emulator sites out there, you can d/l roms there too |
| 04:19.29 | jnbek | and there |
| 04:19.38 | jnbek | ther's a SMES emulator for *nix too |
| 04:19.57 | jnbek | so you don't even need the console, just a PC and an emulator |
| 04:20.01 | colera | jnbek: smes? or snes? |
| 04:20.06 | jnbek | snes, sorry |
| 04:20.16 | jnbek | i've never learned to type correctly, lol |
| 04:21.30 | jnbek | http://www.coolrom.com/roms/snes |
| 04:21.43 | jnbek | theres a good place to start lookign for roms, and as far as i can tell, it's all legal to |
| 04:22.18 | mrpull-x | legal? I doubt it. |
| 04:23.13 | Uncle_Jesse | most of those should be going out of copyright here in not too long if they haven't already |
| 04:23.51 | mrpull-x | when Nintendo releases the revolution, they'll start selling all of those roms again |
| 04:24.03 | mrpull-x | and the wont be "abondonware" at all |
| 04:24.39 | mrpull-x | i've downloaded ROMS in the past, but I know better than to think it'd be perfectly legal |
| 04:25.35 | mrpull-x | but on that topic, check out MAME. the classic arcade games are better for 5 minutes of fun than most any current game. |
| 04:27.32 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-x: good point, renewing the copyright on those games too, I imagine |
| 04:28.45 | mrpull-x | plus the recent rereleases of classic games on Game Boy has probably extended their life too. |
| 04:29.53 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: copyrights last 90 years. snes games are no where close to expiring. |
| 05:04.54 | maquis | technically the mac classic roms are still under copyright... |
| 05:23.38 | findlay | lol |
| 05:58.56 | maquis | TimRiker: thanks for giving ibot back to us! |
| 06:06.40 | xbmodder_lappy | Yes, thank you Rikanator. |
| 06:09.22 | levi | http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/ed-standard |
| 06:11.17 | QBFreak | hmm, I was thinking there was a bash variable that contained the resulting returned code from a command |
| 06:11.34 | QBFreak | I'm looking for a better way to tell of cp failed than cp foo bar || echo failed |
| 06:12.24 | levi | I'll bet 'man bash' has the answer. :) |
| 06:12.35 | QBFreak | burried in there somehere, I'm sure |
| 06:12.44 | QBFreak | I've been googling without a lot of success |
| 06:17.50 | QBFreak | aha, $? |
| 06:18.41 | levi | Where'd you find it? |
| 06:18.50 | QBFreak | waay down in the man page |
| 06:18.58 | QBFreak | with some cryptic explanation |
| 06:28.32 | mheath | what was the cryptic explanation? |
| 06:28.53 | QBFreak | well, it wasn't too bad, but it wasn't what I was looking for: Expands to the status of the most recently executed foreground pipeline. |
| 06:29.09 | QBFreak | I was looking for somethign with the word 'return' in it |
| 06:34.15 | QBFreak | hey! I'm no book |
| 06:42.21 | QBFreak | eep |
| 06:46.08 | maquis | QBFreak: in zsh, for a while, i had it print the error code, whenever anything quit with a non-zero error-code |
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| 06:46.23 | maquis | that was from someone-else's zshrc, and i'm not sure how it worked, though |
| 06:46.43 | QBFreak | I've got what I need now, but that sounds like it was useful for debugging |
| 06:46.55 | maquis | :) |
| 07:06.38 | levi | Hmm, something for mheath to chew on: http://tunes.org/wiki/Microkernel |
| 07:07.34 | QBFreak | it would appear that my host only keeps a day's log for six days, but if you tell them to stop hosting the domain the last set of logs never goes away |
| 07:08.01 | QBFreak | its confusing the script I just wrote to make daily backups of the previous day's logs |
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| 07:17.31 | jnbek | sorry, i think it's gonna quit now |
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| 19:07.31 | nick125_ | mm |
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| 19:14.18 | mheath | *sigh* I have to go and see about getting a new muffler, and getting the tint removed from my window. |
| 19:15.11 | mheath | levi, that article is very poorly written. |
| 19:15.20 | mheath | It just contradicts itself a few times. |
| 19:15.57 | mheath | "Microkernel (also abbreviated ?K or uK) is the term describing an approach to Operating System design by which the functionality of the system is moved out of the traditional "kernel", into a set of "servers" that communicate through a "minimal" kernel, leaving as little as possible in "system space" and as much as possible in "user space"." |
| 19:16.12 | mheath | This implies that the term Microkernel refers to something like *both* GNU Mach and GNU Hurd |
| 19:16.52 | mheath | GNU mach being the minimal kernel, and GNU Hurd being the servers that use it. |
| 19:17.07 | mheath | Then it goes on to cite just GNU Hurd as an example of a microkernel |
| 19:17.34 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 19:19.03 | mheath | erm |
| 19:19.20 | mheath | Replace "GNU Hurd" with "GNU Mach" in that last statement of mine. |
| 19:22.29 | mheath | I like the second "criticsm" essay, too |
| 19:22.48 | mheath | I mean, theres lots of valid good arguments and problems with the GNU Mach + GNU Hurd system, and lots of other microkernel systems |
| 19:23.42 | mheath | This author sounds like he overanalyzed a short article on Microkernels, and then wrote that piece of criticism without ever observing the structure or operation of a working Microkernel-based system. |
| 19:26.01 | mheath | He also tries to content that the preformance and complexity of IPC/RPC in modern microkernels is obscenely bad |
| 19:26.09 | mheath | s/content/contend/g |
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| 19:47.42 | xbmodder_lappy | :0 |
| 19:47.50 | xbmodder_lappy | Nut, I gotta. |
| 19:47.54 | xbmodder_lappy | s/Nut/But/ |
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| 20:41.16 | findlay | ~lart xbmodder_lappy for not saying it right the first time |
| 20:41.47 | mheath | Hmm, I'm looking for recomendations for a GNU/Linux software distribution |
| 20:42.03 | findlay | debian, naturally |
| 20:42.06 | mheath | I'm looking to setup both a server and a desktop |
| 20:42.42 | mheath | I want something that will function easily as a nice gnome desktop, but require *very* little effort to setup a simple server for Apache+PHP+MySql, CVS, and Mail |
| 20:43.13 | mheath | mail being mail for revolution.datamachine.net. A few simple accounts, tied to the UNIX accounts, with outgoing mail routed through smtp.comcast.net |
| 20:43.37 | mheath | If possible, I want something simple to setup |
| 20:43.58 | mheath | I don't want to spend forever altering configuration files or following tutorials. I want, basically, something that 'just works'. |
| 20:44.12 | mheath | findlay, I'm currently using Ubuntu, and I'm not very happy with it. |
| 20:45.17 | nick125 | theres always real debian if you want that kind of distro |
| 20:45.44 | mheath | nick125, most of ubuntus server/service packages are direct ports of debians' |
| 20:46.01 | mheath | and most of the annoyingly long and overly-complicated tutorials I was following for e-mail-server-setup were for debian. |
| 20:47.05 | mheath | Basically, I want something that works |
| 20:47.09 | mheath | point-and-click easy setup |
| 20:47.20 | mheath | I used to love playing with configuration files, tweaking things, and trying new things |
| 20:47.27 | mheath | I may like doing that again, eventually. |
| 20:47.34 | mheath | But for now, I just want something that *works*. |
| 20:49.22 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, Yeah, I would say Gentoo, but if you want point-and-click go debian |
| 20:49.33 | xbmodder_lappy | or use fedora or any other Redhat based distro |
| 20:54.46 | findlay | mheath: suse |
| 21:09.43 | elg | any perlers here? |
| 21:30.30 | levi | mheath: The article wasn't terribly well-written, but he does have a point. |
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