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| 01:19.55 | harleypig | ARRGGHH! |
| 01:20.11 | harleypig | Can someone tell me how to get X to stop trying to load GLX? |
| 01:20.24 | harleypig | the load line *is* commented out in xorg.conf |
| 01:24.24 | harleypig | and load dri is now commented out as well, and it's still doing the same thing. |
| 01:25.20 | findlay | do other modules depend on glx? |
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| 01:27.21 | harleypig | Don't think so ... jayce had me install nvidia drivers in preperation for installing an nvidia card, but it turned out that the card wouldn't work in this machine (it's got a pcix slot). |
| 01:27.54 | harleypig | So, now, when trying to start my game (nwn) I get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:28.16 | harleypig | I've removed the nvidia drivers and have been trying to get things working again. |
| 01:28.23 | harleypig | at the moment, everything else is working fine. |
| 01:28.30 | harleypig | although I haven't tested *everything* |
| 01:31.19 | harleypig | hmmm ... one website suggests that forcing a reinstall of the video drivers might help. I don't see how, but I'll give that a shot. |
| 01:34.39 | harleypig | that did it. |
| 01:34.41 | harleypig | weird |
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| 01:49.22 | nick125-treo | mmm... |
| 01:51.03 | findlay | nnn/// |
| 01:52.54 | nick125-treo | I wish I remembered the ip to my debian and fc4 instances running in xen on my lappy |
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| 02:36.55 | levi | I had a huge grin on my face today when I got home from picking up my Miata from the shop. :) |
| 02:37.06 | nick125-treo | lol |
| 02:38.10 | levi | I had a couple of tires put on, fixed a tie-rod, and got an alignment. |
| 02:38.24 | levi | Which made a HUGE difference. :) |
| 02:49.33 | levi | It's quiet here tonight. |
| 02:51.33 | emcnabb | yup |
| 02:53.40 | findlay | YO! LEVI |
| 02:55.20 | maquis | cs makes me feel stupid |
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| 02:57.33 | goozbach | nobody here but us chickens |
| 03:00.58 | Hhhhhhh | who is a chicken |
| 03:04.23 | findlay | ~chicken |
| 03:04.24 | ibot | it has been said that chicken is http://kellari.org/other/linux/wanted.jpg , or free-food for all!, or a language, or (Gallus gallus) is a type of domesticated bird which is often raised as a type of poultry. It is believed to be descended from the wild Asian Red Junglefowl. |
| 03:04.47 | levi | maquis: Feeling stupid is the first step towards wisdom. |
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| 03:07.53 | Hhhhhhh | rofl |
| 03:08.06 | Hhhhhhh | treo, which model |
| 03:08.16 | nick125-treo | 650.. |
| 03:08.32 | nick125-treo | I just themed it to look like os x..is that a bad sign? |
| 03:08.35 | Hhhhhhh | missing out on the windows Mobile love, huh |
| 03:08.38 | Hhhhhhh | ;) |
| 03:08.44 | nick125-treo | LOL |
| 03:08.48 | nick125-treo | of course |
| 03:08.51 | Hhhhhhh | hehe |
| 03:09.09 | Hhhhhhh | on the other hand, Im in my Linux pda atm |
| 03:09.14 | nick125-treo | should I try the vista skin? |
| 03:09.16 | Hhhhhhh | Zaurus |
| 03:09.21 | nick125-treo | nice |
| 03:09.22 | nick125-treo | brb |
| 03:09.27 | maquis | levi: good to know |
| 03:10.13 | Hhhhhhh | maquis, you should make a compilation of levis wisdom and sell it in Deseret Books |
| 03:10.22 | Hhhhhhh | ;) |
| 03:10.53 | levi | Considering the biblical origin of my name, you might even sell a couple of copies. |
| 03:11.13 | Hhhhhhh | true |
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| 03:11.47 | nick125-treo | mm..now I got the cobalt white skin |
| 03:12.01 | levi | You would have to make a bunch of extra stuff up to fill a whole book, though. |
| 03:12.09 | maquis | levi: haha |
| 03:12.21 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: that'd be interesting |
| 03:12.43 | maquis | levi: you just need to spout off wisely more often |
| 03:13.01 | nick125-treo | this is cool... |
| 03:13.12 | levi | I could make wise cracks. I don't think those count, though. |
| 03:13.17 | nick125-treo | gah brb.. |
| 03:13.36 | maquis | levi: you're assuming the people at deseret book could tell the difference? |
| 03:13.50 | levi | Here's some wisdom: homework gets done faster when you're not on IRC! ;) |
| 03:14.08 | maquis | levi: meh |
| 03:14.31 | levi | Er. |
| 03:14.44 | levi | A paper on ContextL, a context-oriented programming system for CLOS. |
| 03:16.35 | findlay | levi: do you know what treelang is? |
| 03:17.14 | findlay | it's a language template for incorporating a new language into gcc |
| 03:17.16 | levi | findlay: Not that I can recall. |
| 03:20.01 | nick125 | mm... |
| 03:20.15 | nick125 | the cobalt white skin is the best.. |
| 03:20.53 | findlay | zgrep "\blevi" ftp://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/*.html.gz | sort --wisdom > maquis@livingroom.org:levi.book |
| 03:21.21 | nick125 | dont think sort has a wisdom flag |
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| 03:22.27 | elg | oh boy, more snowboard cross tonight |
| 03:23.11 | levi | http://p-cos.net/documents/contextl-overview.pdf |
| 03:24.26 | levi | I'm thinking of using ContextL and an object prevalence system combined with some Rails-like URL dispatching to rewrite my blog engine. |
| 03:25.02 | levi | elg: How familiar are you with Rails? |
| 03:25.13 | elg | quite |
| 03:25.31 | levi | elg: So, I was thinking about its Model/View/Controller separation. |
| 03:25.33 | elg | as in I can use it fairly well, but I don't know all its deep dark secrets |
| 03:25.45 | findlay | that levi, always trying to work a new language into something |
| 03:26.08 | levi | findlay: It's not a new language, just a new metaclass. |
| 03:26.59 | levi | elg: Is it possible to hook more than one view up to a controller? |
| 03:27.43 | levi | I've only looked at rather simplistic tutorials. But the whole 'convention, not configuration' thing seems to limit the utility of the MVC idea. |
| 03:28.02 | elg | like an rss view and a regular view? |
| 03:28.08 | elg | s/regular/html/ |
| 03:28.19 | levi | Something like that, I suppose. |
| 03:29.27 | elg | let me make sure I don't mislead you, but I think the answer is, quite. |
| 03:29.56 | levi | I guess the fact that it does certain stuff by default doesn't preclude overriding that behavior. |
| 03:31.36 | elg | no, certainly not. |
| 03:32.07 | elg | and there's no reason to be hesitant to change the default behavior. there's just good reason to know the convention tool because it makes your life easier much of the time |
| 03:32.15 | nick125 | i need to figure out how to make a Xen control panel |
| 03:34.26 | levi | elg: This ContextL thing is interesting, because it would allow you to put the view and model back together again and still retain flexibility. |
| 03:34.54 | elg | rails routes are controller/action/id |
| 03:35.09 | levi | Unless you override them! :) |
| 03:35.12 | elg | action generally corresponds to a view template |
| 03:35.14 | elg | right |
| 03:35.30 | elg | but all the controller stuff can be leveraged from where it is |
| 03:35.49 | levi | What's id typically do? |
| 03:36.13 | elg | let's look at a real url |
| 03:36.13 | elg | v |
| 03:36.18 | elg | er, http://lam.fugal.net/songs/show/160 |
| 03:36.19 | brac | [LAM: show] |
| 03:36.25 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 03:36.43 | elg | songs is the controller, show is the action (pretty closely tied to a view usually) and 160 is the id |
| 03:37.12 | elg | songs/lam.rss is an rss view of things |
| 03:37.27 | elg | there's also atom and m3u |
| 03:39.18 | findlay | blas takes *forever* to compile |
| 03:57.01 | elg | heh. harrison ford now playing an aging software developer |
| 04:10.10 | colera | so i set a samba share up but it has alot of latency, like it can't stream an mp3 but it can copy the whole album over file transfer faster than i could listen to it. any suggestions to tweak samba to be faster? |
| 04:12.52 | elg | yeah, up the buffer size in your media player |
| 04:21.45 | nick125 | rofl.. |
| 04:21.45 | nick125 | .:21:18:47:. < iamlost> what about C++ then? :p |
| 04:21.46 | nick125 | .:21:19:06:. < Kitty> c++ is an octopus made by nailing legs on a dog |
| 04:21.46 | nick125 | .:21:20:14:. < nachoguy> I like that |
| 04:32.41 | _dave_ | But most octopuses can't live outside water. I say +1 for C++. |
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| 06:37.16 | mheath | Heh |
| 06:37.28 | mheath | I realized today why our nation is fat. |
| 06:37.57 | mheath | Easter, 150 years ago: Dad makes a special visit into the town's general store and picks up a special treat for his children. |
| 06:38.15 | mheath | Months before easter, present: Easter candy goes on sale at Walmart |
| 06:38.32 | findlay | easter already? |
| 06:39.04 | mheath | No. |
| 06:39.36 | findlay | not to mention Valentine's, Christmas, Thanksgiving, Halloween, Independence day and their accompanying food traditions |
| 06:40.09 | mheath | Although... |
| 06:40.16 | mheath | this cadbury creme egg is very good |
| 06:40.45 | levi | They were setting up Easter in the grocery store on Valentine's Day. |
| 06:41.25 | mheath | why have I been receiving tons of japanese or chinese spam lately? |
| 06:41.25 | levi | mheath: That's why we're fat. We make yummy things for cheap, and we enjoy eating them! |
| 06:41.52 | mheath | levi, Indeed. |
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| 06:42.20 | levi | Plus we never walk anywhere if we could possibly drive. |
| 06:42.27 | mheath | Cadbury chocolates in the USA are manufactured by Hershy's, unfortunately. |
| 06:42.37 | levi | mheath: There are several shops around that import chocolates and such. |
| 06:43.17 | findlay | with a little trickery |
| 06:44.06 | mheath | Its very, very powerful compared to my old car. Thats the main thing :) |
| 06:44.09 | findlay | like linking f77 and g77 to gfortran and linking libg2c.so to libfortran.so |
| 06:44.31 | findlay | symlinking, that is (: |
| 06:44.31 | levi | mheath: I'm finally getting to have fun in my fun car again! |
| 06:44.45 | mheath | levi, O.o |
| 06:45.11 | levi | mheath: My Miata was out of commission for a while, but I've finally got it fixed up and legal again. |
| 06:45.38 | levi | So I drove around a bit this evening and came home with a huge grin. |
| 06:45.49 | mheath | I dream of driving my dads car |
| 06:46.02 | mheath | He'd never let me, though =\ |
| 06:46.08 | mheath | And its in the shop, anyway. Has been for months. |
| 06:46.11 | levi | The alignment was /way/ off, the back tires were totally bald, and a front tie rod was busted. |
| 06:46.16 | levi | mheath: What kind of car? |
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| 06:46.55 | mheath | levi, he drives a 1970 Porsche 914-6, but he just put a 1975 911T (I think) engine in it. |
| 06:47.07 | levi | Ahh, yeah, you told me about that before. |
| 06:47.19 | mheath | It wasn't the fastest car around before, but it had amazing control and aerodynamics. |
| 06:47.22 | levi | That would also be a fun car! |
| 06:47.39 | mheath | Just....fun and capable at higher speeds. More so than most cars. And convertible. |
| 06:47.49 | mheath | Now its very, very fast too. :) |
| 06:47.50 | levi | But my Miata was affordable, and is also fun. |
| 06:48.07 | levi | And I put a turbo in it, so it's reasonably fast. |
| 06:48.16 | mheath | Also drive a Dodge Neon =\ |
| 06:48.27 | levi | Faster than my 200hp Solara, at least. |
| 06:48.57 | mheath | thats what made the Galant so fu |
| 06:49.00 | mheath | *so fun |
| 06:49.10 | mheath | I'd only driven the Neon before, and then I drive something like the Galant |
| 06:49.20 | levi | What kind of engine has the Galant got? |
| 06:49.38 | levi | I've only known one other person with one, and she hated it. |
| 06:49.51 | levi | Mostly because it broke a lot, I think. |
| 06:50.28 | mheath | 2.4L 4Cylinder 140HP |
| 06:50.37 | mheath | ern |
| 06:50.45 | mheath | erm, I don't think that HP is right... |
| 06:51.13 | levi | Sounds a tad bit low for a 2.4l, but not way off. |
| 06:51.17 | mheath | yeah it is... |
| 06:51.31 | mheath | 141HP @ 5,500RPM |
| 06:51.43 | levi | My Solara is 200hp from a 3l V6. |
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| 06:52.34 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 06:52.37 | mheath | levi, compared to my 2 litre automatic neon, its amazing. |
| 06:52.40 | levi | The engine is strong, but it's a heavy car, it turns slowly, and it's sprung softly. |
| 06:52.47 | mheath | My gas mileage these first few days has been horrible, I'm sure |
| 06:52.52 | mheath | I'm having too much fun with the lower gears :) |
| 06:52.56 | levi | My Miata is a 1.6l :) |
| 06:53.17 | levi | And weighs about a thousand pounds less than the Solara. |
| 06:53.19 | mheath | It has a straight-through muffler, too. |
| 06:53.23 | mheath | Very noisy |
| 06:53.29 | levi | Ew. |
| 06:53.31 | mheath | When I'm a passnger, the noise was annoying. |
| 06:53.38 | mheath | But driving it....I love the sound of the engine |
| 06:53.45 | mheath | It's really not that bad. |
| 06:54.37 | levi | My Miata makes lots of noises. Most of them are good, but I need to get rid of some of them. |
| 06:55.08 | mheath | Hehe. |
| 06:55.25 | mheath | I'm debating what car to keep with me, when I ship off with the Navy. |
| 06:55.50 | mheath | Considering that its frequently going to be sitting in a giant parking lot for 6 months at a time, I'm not too concerned. I just want something thats fun to drive when I am driving it. |
| 06:55.51 | levi | It's got a fun turbine whine at idle from the turbo, and makes a whooshing noise when you put the pedal down. |
| 06:56.17 | mheath | I'd like to get a sporty convertible eventually |
| 06:56.21 | levi | But the hydraulic lifters are dirty or something, and they make an awful clatter. |
| 06:56.38 | levi | mheath: You can buy a Miata for ~$5000 |
| 06:56.50 | mheath | Nah |
| 06:57.00 | mheath | levi, It'll probably be years before I get a new car |
| 06:57.23 | mheath | And keep in mind, between now and then, I'll be getting $1,500+ a month in spending money / money to save |
| 06:57.32 | mheath | I can afford something ncier than ~$5000 :) |
| 06:57.34 | levi | Well, there are few cars more fun than a Miata, for any price. |
| 06:57.38 | mheath | I want a convertible, too. |
| 06:57.55 | levi | (Miatas are convertibles) |
| 06:58.29 | levi | I drove a friend's S2000, and it was pretty nice. |
| 06:58.36 | mheath | I have this silly fantasy of driving down the road with the top down in my dress blues with a peacoat on....attracting women, etc. ;-) |
| 06:58.56 | mheath | I really like VWs engineering, but they don't make any good convertibles. |
| 06:59.02 | mheath | my dad has a pissat and a jetta now |
| 06:59.23 | mheath | Both amazing cars.....I just keep discovering these neat little features they have here and there. |
| 07:38.38 | xbmodder_lappy | I am hungry |
| 07:39.14 | findlay | ~eat xbmodder_lappy |
| 07:39.16 | ibot | ACTION eats xbmodder_lappy and falls over dead |
| 07:45.16 | xbmodder_lappy | tahnk you |
| 07:50.28 | nick125 | lol... |
| 07:57.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Think once we get all of our customers we will have 10MB/s burst |
| 10:20.23 | xbmodder_lappy | ANYONE AWAKE? |
| 10:20.30 | nick125 | no |
| 10:24.30 | xbmodder_lappy | great |
| 10:31.37 | emcnabb | yes |
| 10:32.34 | emcnabb | being at the airport this early in the morning is not fun |
| 10:36.27 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 10:36.32 | xbmodder_lappy | where are you? |
| 10:39.02 | emcnabb | orlando |
