| 00:01.38 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@xbmodder.us) |
| 00:01.41 | xbmodder_lappy | hey nick125 |
| 00:01.43 | xbmodder_lappy | you there? |
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| 00:06.35 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, |
| 00:06.58 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here have experience with Xen? |
| 00:07.04 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy, |
| 00:07.24 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, how do I make networking work |
| 00:07.46 | xbmodder_lappy | The guest shows that it has NO ethernet interfaces even though I have vif0 in the config file. |
| 00:08.30 | findlay | first you have to have a net. Then you have to work on it. Before you know it, you'll have a net-work, or network for short |
| 00:09.09 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart findlay |
| 00:09.30 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: your terms are meaningless without context |
| 00:09.54 | findlay | what config file, etc. |
| 00:10.48 | *** join/#utah nick125 (n=nick@dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 00:10.50 | xbmodder_lappy | http://pastebin.com/558691 |
| 00:11.35 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, what happened? |
| 00:12.12 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: don't know. I've never used xen before |
| 00:15.07 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:17.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Goo findlay |
| 00:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | *Go |
| 00:19.24 | xbmodder_lappy | nmap findlay |
| 00:19.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 00:19.43 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:20.03 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.05 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: which distro |
| 00:20.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh noes, a port scan? :( |
| 00:20.22 | goozbach | and which packages of xen? |
| 00:21.04 | tene | ~nmap findlay |
| 00:21.11 | tene | ~portscan findlay |
| 00:21.59 | xbmodder_lappy | god damn |
| 00:22.03 | xbmodder_lappy | Sorry! |
| 00:22.07 | xbmodder_lappy | Sorry!! |
| 00:22.20 | findlay | nuh-uh, if you try to hax0r my computer, Senator Hatch will blow up your computer |
| 00:24.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 00:25.20 | xbmodder_lappy | 36 links is alot... |
| 00:27.49 | *** part/#utah _dave_ (n=_dave_@12.191.193.67) |
| 00:30.33 | xbmodder_lappy | good job boy |
| 00:30.37 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:31.11 | findlay | :-\ |
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| 00:40.41 | QBFreak | anybody have a use for the insides of a nintendo? |
| 00:42.53 | goozbach | QBFreak: i MAY |
| 00:50.27 | xbmodder_lappy | MAY is a month! |
| 00:50.45 | findlay | moth? huh? |
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| 00:52.36 | xbmodder_lappy | ~burn findlay |
| 00:52.38 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over findlay, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 00:54.05 | elg | ~rlart |
| 00:57.10 | elg | -roulette |
| 00:57.10 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
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| 01:18.18 | xbmodder_lappy | -roulette |
| 01:18.19 | brac | xbmodder_lappy: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 01:18.20 | xbmodder_lappy | -roulette |
| 01:18.20 | brac | xbmodder_lappy: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 01:21.30 | xbmodder_lappy | -roulette |
| 01:21.30 | brac | xbmodder_lappy: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 01:21.32 | xbmodder_lappy | -roulette |
| 01:21.32 | brac | xbmodder_lappy: chamber 5 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 01:21.36 | xbmodder_lappy | damn |
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| 01:29.31 | xbmodder_lappy | food=good; |
| 01:31.41 | lars-ut | I need to script the adduser command in Debian & could use some help |
| 01:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 01:34.24 | xbmodder_lappy | adduser is a binary, isn't it? |
| 01:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it is |
| 01:34.48 | lars-ut | right now I type 'adduser --disabled-login --shell /bin/false username' |
| 01:35.03 | tene | I thought that it was "useradd" |
| 01:35.06 | lars-ut | then 'usermod -G users,smbuser,pointgroup username' |
| 01:35.24 | tene | you can add -G to the useradd call |
| 01:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You should be able to do all of that with a single command, no need for the usermod |
| 01:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 01:35.34 | findlay | I thought the cap G was for the primary group |
| 01:35.43 | findlay | -g for other groups |
| 01:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all in the man pages |
| 01:35.58 | findlay | s/G/g/ |
| 01:36.12 | lars-ut | useradd & adduser are wuite different |
| 01:36.41 | findlay | amazing what can happen when you switch the word order in the command |
| 01:36.46 | tene | "man adduser" loads the "useradd" man page for me |
| 01:36.47 | lars-ut | adduser prompts me for all kinds of useless info I'd like to bypass |
| 01:36.53 | lars-ut | tene: Debian |
| 01:37.14 | tene | 'kay |
| 01:37.26 | tene | what does adduser do? |
| 01:37.31 | lars-ut | I can't figure out how to bypass those prompts |
| 01:37.49 | lars-ut | 5 Enter key smashes, a 'y', then one more Enter key smash |
| 01:38.02 | tene | looked ad 'expect'? |
| 01:38.06 | tene | s/ad/at/ |
| 01:38.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Or, even, useradd? ;) |
| 01:38.21 | lars-ut | no, I've been trying 'yes' & 'echo' |
| 01:38.43 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: useradd works except it doesn't create the homeditr |
| 01:38.47 | lars-ut | homedir |
| 01:38.51 | ScytheBlade1 | There's an option for that, sec |
| 01:38.53 | tene | erm... |
| 01:38.54 | tene | -m |
| 01:38.58 | lars-ut | -d /home/username ? |
| 01:38.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 01:38.58 | brac | no idea |
| 01:39.03 | lars-ut | tried that |
| 01:39.15 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.20 | findlay | -brac |
| 01:39.44 | lars-ut | crap. if it's that easy I'll scrap the adduser |
| 01:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | adduser -f -s /bin/false -m username |
| 01:41.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Disable login, shell of /bin/false, create home dir |
| 01:41.39 | lars-ut | that did it |
| 01:41.41 | lars-ut | useradd -G users,smbuser,pointgroup -m -d /home/username -s /bin/false username |
| 01:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:42.03 | ScytheBlade1 | At least it works :) |
| 01:42.16 | lars-ut | I should have asked for help sooner |
| 01:42.23 | lars-ut | wasted time on this |
| 01:42.35 | lars-ut | but need to learn about redirection & classic scripting stuff |
| 01:42.47 | tene | lars-ut: 'expect' is what you wanted, I believe |
| 01:46.57 | *** join/#utah nick125_ (n=nick@dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:47.15 | nick125_ | stupid thing has 3.1.9 firmware |
| 01:47.26 | nick125_ | if it had 3.1.6, i could unlock it |
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| 01:53.38 | findlay | ~haha |
| 01:53.40 | ibot | I call that haha |
| 01:53.45 | findlay | fine |
| 01:53.48 | tene | ~hahaha |
| 01:53.49 | ibot | well, hahaha is http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 01:53.51 | brac | [Shacknews - Screenshots] |
| 01:53.55 | tene | ~hahahaha |
| 01:57.26 | lars-ut | tne: don't have the 'send' command on this system |
| 01:57.31 | lars-ut | tene |
| 01:57.54 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, yeah I told you the new ones are unlockable.... |
| 01:57.56 | xbmodder_lappy | idiot! |
| 01:58.00 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart nick125_ |
| 01:58.12 | xbmodder_lappy | and your supposed to come to california |
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| 02:46.46 | nick125-treo | hey.. |
| 02:52.38 | xbmodder_lappy | hi |
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| 02:59.01 | hans | this new snowboard race is pretty fun |
| 02:59.24 | hans | i get a kick out of how they won't let women ski jump |
| 02:59.32 | hans | but they let anyone do the skeleton |
| 03:01.21 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
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| 03:09.12 | tensai | I dig the snowboard cross. I'll bet it's really exciting what with the contestants being so close. |
| 03:12.13 | hans | yeah. it's kind of like excitebike too. :) |
| 03:12.27 | hans | stupid motorcycles never went fast enough though |
| 03:12.50 | hans | or was it the guys when they fell off? they were like a cross between an ape and a turtle |
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| 03:47.51 | xbmodder_lappy | Do you guys know any ways to TAG files? |
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| 04:01.26 | levi | Hmm, Bride and Prejudice. |
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| 04:30.50 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm, VCPU! |
| 04:30.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ~rlat |
| 04:30.53 | xbmodder_lappy | ~rlart |
| 04:31.54 | drewbono | Again? |
| 04:31.59 | drewbono | Sheesh. |
| 04:32.04 | drewbono | ibot's got it out for me. |
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| 04:35.14 | nick125_ | ~rlart |
| 04:35.32 | nick125_ | ~steal tensai's thin stripes |
| 04:35.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's thin stripes and gives it to nick125_ |
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| 04:44.44 | levi | Is the UUG meeting over? Was that tonight? |
| 04:45.15 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 04:45.16 | maquis | it's over |
| 04:45.25 | levi | How'd it go? |
| 04:46.04 | maquis | really well |
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| 04:51.17 | levi | Man, this movie is goofy. :) |
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| 05:21.10 | dilvie | hans? |
| 05:21.22 | dilvie | thought he had a new nick? |
| 05:22.33 | tensai | he changes his mind |
| 05:22.37 | tensai | ~seen elg |
| 05:22.39 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4h 25m 29s ago, saying: '-roulette'. |
| 05:22.49 | findlay | ~seen hans |
| 05:22.50 | ibot | hans <i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 10m ago, saying: 'or was it the guys when they fell off? they were like a cross between an ape and a turtle'. |
| 05:23.23 | vontrapp | yay! wireless without ndiswrapper!!! |
| 05:23.56 | vontrapp | i have an extra one |
| 05:24.01 | vontrapp | minipci |
| 05:24.04 | vontrapp | broadcomm |
| 05:24.11 | findlay | broadcom?! |
| 05:24.13 | tensai | I stuck that one in peanut butter |
| 05:24.14 | vontrapp | yep |
| 05:24.20 | vontrapp | w/ out ndiswrapper |
| 05:24.24 | mheath | "I give into people too easy and I am stubborn" -- A profound quote from a MySpace.com user's profile |
| 05:24.28 | vontrapp | sahweet |
| 05:24.45 | findlay | wow |
| 05:25.18 | vontrapp | yep, it's exciting to say the least |
| 05:25.46 | vontrapp | now i can probably run keismet |
| 05:25.52 | findlay | man, you can write home about that one |
| 05:25.55 | vontrapp | *kismet |
| 05:26.00 | tensai | kismet is aweseme |
| 05:26.01 | mheath | Heh. theres a kid at school...... |
| 05:26.07 | vontrapp | hans did it first, then told me |
| 05:26.35 | vontrapp | and there's 14 AP's here sitting in my apartment |
| 05:26.47 | mheath | wrote this horribly written paper about how the education system sucked. Put it on some teachers door (opened it with a thing about how Martin Luther nailed the problems with catholicism to the cathedral door, etc) |
| 05:26.48 | tensai | that can't be good for performance |
| 05:27.02 | mheath | *teacher's doors |
| 05:27.31 | mheath | First thing, he did this on Martin Luther King day. Not sure if this was a coincidence, or if he was a bit confused about that. |
| 05:27.42 | findlay | heh |
| 05:27.59 | mheath | Second, there was some weirdly used vocabulary in there |
| 05:28.30 | mheath | He said something like (this is an approximation, not exact) "As the difficulty of assignments increases, the amount of points their worth should increase congruently." |
| 05:29.00 | mheath | I go up to him "What do you mean, increase congruently? Isn't congruency when you have a line that passes through an arc at one point only?" |
| 05:29.13 | mheath | "It has multiple definitions." |
| 05:29.38 | mheath | "Are you sure you didn't mean 'proportionately'?' |
| 05:29.54 | tensai | ~dict congruent |
| 05:30.13 | findlay | ~dict 2 congruent |
| 05:30.15 | tensai | that seems to fit |
| 05:30.25 | maquis | i think congruently sounds like it works fine |
| 05:30.31 | maquis | ~dict 3 congruent |
| 05:30.40 | maquis | ibot: you're stupid |
| 05:30.41 | ibot | ACTION scratches his head |
| 05:30.46 | tensai | ~dict 4 congruent |
| 05:30.56 | tensai | ~dict 5 congruent |
| 05:31.10 | tensai | ~dict -1 congruent |
| 05:31.12 | findlay | ~dict 0 nothing |
| 05:31.50 | mheath | maquis, It means, equal. Thats its other geometric meaning. |
| 05:31.58 | mheath | You still can't say "increase congruently" |
| 05:32.01 | mheath | Congruency is boolean |
| 05:32.14 | mheath | Either two things are congruent or they are not. |
| 05:32.34 | maquis | mheath: it can increase "in kind", which is the same thing as congruently... |
| 05:32.37 | findlay | what about when you disregard the law of the excluded middle? |
| 05:33.14 | tensai | findlay: I prefer the law of the extruded middle |
| 05:33.43 | findlay | ~dict extrude |
| 05:34.37 | findlay | the Wiener Philharmoniker is so good |
| 05:35.17 | findlay | I'm always amazed they can sound so beautiful while they're cramped on that tiny stage |
| 05:37.27 | findlay | http://www.musikverein.at/imgGallery/GS_unten_7.jpg |
| 05:39.11 | levi | mheath: 'congruently' can indeed be used the way he used it. |
| 05:39.29 | levi | mheath: It means, 'in a congruent manner', which does not conflict with its boolean nature. |
| 05:39.51 | findlay | still the construction was questionable |
| 05:40.27 | tene | so, mheath, if an assignment is more difficult for me than it is for you, should I recieve more points than you do? |
| 05:40.53 | maquis | honestly, i don't mind if an easier assignment is worth fewer points |
| 05:40.54 | levi | findlay: I don't think so. |
| 05:40.56 | maquis | er |
| 05:41.00 | maquis | i mean more points |
| 05:41.03 | mheath | tene, ?? I never said that. I was quoting a rather misguided (even if that usage was correct, the grammer in the paper is horrible) that said that |
| 05:41.12 | mheath | s/misguided/misguided paper/ |
| 05:41.13 | maquis | it just means that i do the easier assignment, and skip the harder assignment that's worth less |
| 05:41.32 | levi | Anyway, what's your new car? |
| 05:41.45 | tensai | tene: depends. is the point to reward results or effort? |
| 05:41.46 | mheath | levi, Not 'new' and not really new to our family. But new to me :P |
| 05:41.54 | mheath | A Mitsubishi Gallant. |
| 05:42.03 | tene | mheath: I was going to ask about the reasoning he was using, but really it doesn't matter, so nevermind. |
| 05:42.28 | levi | Ahh, cool. |
| 05:42.31 | mheath | tene, there was no reasoning. |
| 05:42.37 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 05:42.46 | mheath | His original letter, actually, contained nothings but some generic complaints about the public education system |
| 05:42.48 | tene | yeah, I get that now. I didn't really think. |
| 05:42.58 | mheath | And appeared to just insult teachers efforts and uninterested and lazy |
| 05:43.09 | findlay | so if I bzip2 a 4 byte file at maximum (-9) compression, it's what? 44 bytes?! That's 11 times bigger! |
| 05:43.16 | mheath | He was kind of forced to write an appology to the teachers, and in that apology he included this points system. |
| 05:43.28 | findlay | so much for compression. More like explosion |
| 05:43.34 | mheath | ugh, what a horrible colocation service! |
| 05:43.44 | mheath | My friends used to run a free webhosting service |
| 05:43.54 | mheath | They had a server at FDC Servers in chicago |
| 05:44.28 | mheath | FDC Servers decided to change their IP address, and keep charging them. Without telling them the new IP adress. And ignoring their e-mails. |
| 05:45.38 | mheath | So now they're getting charged hundreds of dollars a month (its highlevel service) and getting nothing, by a supplier who lives out of state that refuses to respond to them |
| 05:45.47 | tene | ouch |
| 05:46.09 | tensai | time to request a charge back on their credit card |
| 05:47.35 | nick125_ | FDC? i heard some bad things about them.. |
| 05:49.21 | findlay | ~broadband |
| 05:49.23 | ibot | broadband are high speed connections to the InterNet, xDSL, Cable, Satellite, and dedicated links T1, OC1 etc. are among them. |
| 05:49.49 | findlay | ibot: broadband is also "too complicated" for 5% of Americans |
| 05:49.51 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 05:50.01 | mheath | I'm advising the friend to send a snail-mail letter stating that he's going to bring them to small claims court if they don't resolve the issue within X daysa |
| 05:50.06 | mheath | s/daysa/days/g |
| 05:55.14 | Newsome | s/snail-mail letter/box of AOL CDs/g |
| 05:55.22 | Newsome | stupid bot |
| 05:56.37 | mheath | http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonreport.html?bid=47000475 |
| 05:57.48 | nick125_ | nice.. |
| 05:59.14 | mheath | ~praise BBB |
| 05:59.15 | ibot | All hail BBB! |
| 06:03.04 | nick125_ | i never have received any kind of replies on complaints ive filed though the BBB...like the complaint against speakeasy which never got any replies from the company.. |
| 06:04.39 | mheath | nick125_, First, you should know that companies who aren't BBB members might just shrug off anything the BBB tries to tell them |
| 06:05.01 | mheath | Second, the report (which, for speakeasy, is probably pretty big) probably includes your report, if it was within the last 36 months. |
| 06:05.09 | nick125_ | speakeasy is a BBB member though |
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| 06:21.31 | maquis | note to roommates: screaming at, swearing at, and threatening people on the tv screen is *not* going to help... however, it will make your roommate who's trying to do homework rather upset |
| 06:21.59 | Newsome | are your roommates really on IRC? ;) |
| 06:23.12 | findlay | sounds like you've got some trials there maquis |
| 06:24.15 | findlay | but I've had worse roomates |
| 06:24.18 | maquis | Newsome: no... but i'm saying it in here, because if i don't, i could go ballistic |
| 06:25.13 | findlay | ~dict ballistic |
| 06:25.58 | Newsome | but I've been wrong before |
| 06:26.19 | maquis | haha |
| 06:26.35 | findlay | ibot: haha is also ahah |
| 06:26.36 | ibot | ACTION beats is also ahah about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 06:26.57 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 06:26.58 | ibot | i heard whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 06:32.31 | maquis | ~seen fishyfire |
| 06:32.35 | ibot | fishyfire <n=fishyfir@158.91.203.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 19d 15h 30m 12s ago, saying: 'ping maquis'. |
| 06:33.38 | findlay | been a while, eh maquis? (: |
| 06:37.39 | findlay | maquis: findlay sounds like fisyfire, doesn't that count? |
| 06:47.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen leilas |
| 06:47.59 | ibot | leilas <n=1802511e@yossman.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 9d 7h 47m 42s ago, saying: 'ok i guess '. |
| 06:48.14 | xbmodder_lappy | 42! |
| 06:48.26 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Who's this leilas person you keep going on about? |
| 06:49.04 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy's latent flame |
| 06:49.41 | xbmodder_lappy | wha? |
| 06:49.50 | findlay | you know how they are, those occasional girl geeks |
| 06:49.54 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, a friend of a friend.... |
| 06:50.06 | xbmodder_lappy | or something. |
| 06:51.35 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: It sounds as if you're stalking her, and certainly none of us are interested in you wondering how she is, or when you can talk to her again, or how you can get in touch with her, or whatever. |
| 06:52.00 | xbmodder_lappy | not stalking |
| 06:52.11 | levi | Well, whatever. |
| 06:52.16 | xbmodder_lappy | ok :-) |
| 06:52.24 | xbmodder_lappy | sorry |
| 06:53.41 | levi | I don't care, I've just witnessed the detritus of too many online relationships to have much patience with them. |
| 06:54.01 | Newsome | ~dict detritus |
| 06:56.19 | QBFreak | AHG *blows up DVD case in an attempt to open it* |
| 06:57.00 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, no, she is moving nearby, I'd like to talk to a local any day. |
| 06:57.19 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: I don't care! |
| 06:57.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 06:57.34 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 06:57.34 | xbmodder_lappy | bye |
| 06:57.57 | levi | You live in California. There are millions of local people. You should meet some of them. |
| 06:58.03 | Newsome | So, I tried to set up the utilities for our new house in Illinois... |
| 06:58.17 | findlay | Newsome: moved already? |
| 06:58.18 | Newsome | But the power company doesn't believe that our address exists... |
| 06:58.21 | maquis | Newsome: we don't want you to move to illinois.... |
| 06:58.24 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:58.37 | Newsome | It turns out that the post office changed the zip codes about a month ago |
| 06:59.01 | Newsome | Google maps has it wrong, and the power company doesn't believe that either one exists |
| 06:59.22 | maquis | Newsome: fun |
| 06:59.25 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, harder than it sounds |
| 06:59.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Newsome, I hate it when that happens |
| 06:59.49 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what makes it so hard to meet people in california.. |
| 06:59.53 | xbmodder_lappy | I have had the phone company accusing me that my city doesn't exist |
| 07:00.03 | maquis | last time i was there, there were people all over to meet... |
| 07:00.28 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, I have never met any smart "geeky" girls here (my age).. |
| 07:00.32 | levi | maquis: Whoops! |
| 07:00.57 | Newsome | On the plus side, the phone company didn't care what the zip code was, and already sent out a new DSL router to my folks' house nearby |
| 07:00.58 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i don't know any smart geeky girls your age on this channel, either |
| 07:01.03 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Maybe you should join a local LUG, find a 'meetup' for something you're interested in, etc. |
| 07:01.31 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: for that matter, i don't think i know any smart geeky girls your age in utah or washington |
| 07:01.53 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Sitting at home in front of a computer is pretty much the worst way to meet someone. |
| 07:02.10 | maquis | so, i don't see how hanging out here, and not trying to meet them in california is any advantage to you |
| 07:02.38 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: And there's something to be said for smart, non-computer-geek girls, too. |
| 07:03.03 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, I have already tried the LUG. |
| 07:03.12 | xbmodder_lappy | Pretty much everyone there is >17 |
| 07:04.35 | xbmodder_lappy | IRC, School, Private schools (bad idea), etc. |
| 07:04.36 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: So? Most people here are, too. |
| 07:04.43 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: when i was your age, i wasn't a computer-geek... |
| 07:04.55 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, Yeah... |
| 07:05.23 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: you're way too young to be searching for a girlfriend anyway |
| 07:05.24 | xbmodder_lappy | be right back! |
| 07:05.24 | maquis | so... just find a nice, smart girl, and just be friends with her, and maybe she'll discover that she likes computers too |
| 07:05.36 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, not neccesarly a girlfriend |
| 07:05.57 | xbmodder_lappy | brb |
| 07:05.58 | findlay | now that I think of it, girlfriends are just a selfish waste of time |
| 07:06.20 | findlay | if you're not going to get married, why waste your time? |
| 07:07.11 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Or, even better, develop some other interests! Become well-rounded! Girls like that. |
| 07:07.19 | findlay | and if you're too young to get married, why limit yourself to one person? I think it serioulsy stunts your social development |
| 07:07.45 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 07:07.51 | maquis | Newsome: me too |
| 07:07.53 | levi | Not /that/ kind of round. |
| 07:08.00 | levi | maquis: Take up cycling! |
| 07:08.12 | levi | It's more fun than treadmilling. |
| 07:08.28 | levi | And it's always easier to exercise when it's fun. |
| 07:08.29 | maquis | levi: i'll keep that in mind when i get back to seattle where my bike is |
| 07:08.46 | levi | You'd have to get used to riding in the rain there. ;) |
| 07:09.18 | maquis | i never really liked biking that much growing up... |
| 07:09.18 | levi | Which wouldn't be too bad with some rain gear and fenders, I guess. |
| 07:09.42 | levi | Well, I can't guarantee you'll like it, but I sure do. |
| 07:09.54 | levi | You have to get used to it, of course. |
| 07:10.03 | Newsome | afraid of _down_ hills? down is the best part!!! |
| 07:10.25 | findlay | my cousin does downhill mountain biking and it rocks! |
| 07:10.33 | maquis | Newsome: i don't do well with much of anything that involves going downhill in anything resembling an uncontrolled fashion |
| 07:10.51 | maquis | took me a while to learn how to drive down hills... and i still tend to go slower downhill than up... |
| 07:11.18 | levi | maquis: You need to get over that. :) |
| 07:11.30 | maquis | levi: true |
| 07:11.38 | maquis | i'm just not quite sure how... |
| 07:11.43 | levi | Sometimes faster is safer. |
| 07:11.55 | findlay | on my brother's road bike on a slight downhill (~2% grade) I could get up over 45 mph |
| 07:11.56 | levi | Up to a point, of course. |
| 07:12.04 | findlay | those were the days |
| 07:12.17 | QBFreak | uh, I'll stick with capping it off near 25 :p |
| 07:12.24 | findlay | I could almost overtake the cars |
| 07:12.36 | Newsome | there was a nice 17% grade in Spokane... |
| 07:12.56 | maquis | my dad tripped over me because i was going too slow, and he fell on top of me |
| 07:13.13 | levi | I can hit 25 on the flat road, so long as there's no tailwind. I usually cruise somewhere in the 20s. |
| 07:13.25 | levi | I'm not particularly fast, either. |
| 07:13.29 | findlay | levi: but do you have a road bike? |
| 07:13.34 | levi | findlay: Yup. |
| 07:13.35 | maquis | i think part of the problem with me and hills is that in washington, hills are always really windy |
| 07:13.41 | maquis | and quite steep |
| 07:14.02 | levi | Well, wind and bicycles don't mix very well. |
| 07:14.03 | findlay | levi: a real road bike, like with the really narrow tires and it weighs less than 30 lbs? |
| 07:14.12 | levi | findlay: Yes. |
| 07:14.18 | maquis | the one near my house is definitely more than a 2% grade... probably close to 15-20%... |
| 07:14.20 | findlay | levi: how much? |
| 07:14.32 | levi | findlay: How much does it weigh? |
| 07:14.41 | findlay | no, $$$ |
| 07:14.52 | QBFreak | how much cheese does it carry? |
| 07:14.54 | levi | Oh, it was something like $1200, I think. |
| 07:15.19 | maquis | levi: what's the advantage of a road bike over something like a mountain bike? does it go faster? |
| 07:15.33 | Newsome | I've got an old 10-speed somewhere that I'll sell for...uhm...well, just come get it, and you can have it. |
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| 07:16.23 | levi | maquis: On flat roads, yes. Road bikes are engineered to have low rolling resistance and put the rider in a somewhat aerodynamic position. |
| 07:16.35 | maquis | levi: ah |
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| 07:16.37 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 07:16.39 | findlay | maquis: road bikes are leaner and have narrower tires |
| 07:17.07 | levi | Road bikes are also much lighter, which makes a significant difference when climbing. |
| 07:17.27 | QBFreak | around here you need one, roads are toot narrow to really share with other vehicles |
| 07:17.40 | QBFreak | mountain bike that is |
| 07:17.50 | levi | QBFreak: Where's here? |
| 07:17.56 | QBFreak | Monroe, NC |
| 07:18.01 | findlay | ever since I rode a real road bike I've wanted my own, just for the sheer joy of powering such an efficient machine |
| 07:18.02 | QBFreak | well, outside of it |
| 07:18.23 | levi | findlay: You should get one. My wife's was in the $700 range, IIRC. |
| 07:18.52 | findlay | levi: I'm thinking about building one |
| 07:19.08 | findlay | gentoo style ;) |
| 07:19.26 | levi | findlay: It's almost certainly cheaper to buy one, unless you pick up a bunch of used stuff. |
| 07:19.41 | levi | maquis: http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/transportation/bikeprogram.htm |
| 07:19.43 | brac | [SDOT Bicycle Program] |
| 07:20.46 | findlay | levi: yeah, I figured, but it will have to wait until I have money |
| 07:21.47 | levi | Getting a high-end bike is far cheaper if you piece together used stuff from rich people who are upgrading, but it's still more expensive than an entry-level bike. |
| 07:22.11 | levi | maquis: Click the links. |
| 07:22.16 | levi | There's a map. |
| 07:22.37 | levi | findlay: You can get pretty good deals on used bikes in good condition, too. The trick is knowing your size. |
| 07:22.48 | levi | And how to adjust it to fit properly. |
| 07:23.45 | QBFreak | mmm Reeses |
| 07:23.52 | findlay | yeah, the first time I rode my brother's bike it felt like it was going to rip my legs out of their sockets, but I got used to it |
| 07:23.59 | findlay | even preferred it |
| 07:24.12 | findlay | and appreciated the depth of the pedals |
| 07:25.34 | levi | Well, there's a science to proper bike fitting. |
| 07:28.27 | levi | http://www.wrenchscience.com/WS1/Secure/Fitting/Height.asp |
| 07:28.28 | brac | [Wrench Science :: Height] |
| 07:28.30 | xbmodder_lappy | Any ideas why my box suddenly lost it's sound card? |
| 07:29.08 | levi | http://www.analyticcycling.com/ |
| 07:29.09 | brac | [Analytic Cycling, Interactive Methods for Estimating Eycling Performance Parameters. Tom Compton] |
| 07:29.20 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: look at the back of your case. Is the sound card there? If not it's probably lost somewhere. |
| 07:29.29 | findlay | or it could be running |
| 07:29.41 | findlay | trying to catch up to the refrigerator |
| 07:30.39 | maquis | levi: i'm looking through... |
| 07:31.00 | levi | http://www.ci.seattle.wa.us/transportation/urbantrailsmap1.htm |
| 07:31.01 | brac | [SDOT Bicycle Program] |
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| 07:33.57 | xbmodder_lappy | ok.. |
| 07:34.09 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, magically it popped out of nowhere.. |
| 07:34.15 | xbmodder_lappy | thats weird |
| 07:34.28 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: wow |
| 07:34.31 | maquis | levi: yeah... saw hat |
| 07:34.34 | QBFreak | maybe you're processor is running too fast, causing deminsional rifts |
| 07:34.54 | maquis | levi: i should probably get myself to the point where i can ride with traffic... |
| 07:35.06 | levi | Yeah. |
| 07:35.26 | levi | I ride with traffic frequently, though I prefer fairly low-traffic roads. |
| 07:35.33 | maquis | levi: and what in the world is a shared path? is it just a pathway shared between pedestrians and bikes? |
| 07:35.37 | maquis | or what? |
| 07:35.43 | maquis | i can't seem to find the definition in anything there |
| 07:35.52 | levi | maquis: Yes, that's probably what it means. |
| 07:35.55 | maquis | mmk |
| 07:36.19 | maquis | hmm |
| 07:36.23 | levi | If it's busy, it'll probably mean riding a lot slower than you could on the road. |
| 07:36.41 | levi | Though you say you don't like going fast anyway, so that's not a big deal. :) |
| 07:36.58 | maquis | if i end up living near lake union, it looks like there's a pretty nice and long section that's just pedestrians and bikes... |
| 07:37.59 | levi | It comes back quickly. |
| 07:38.10 | QBFreak | its just like riding a bike :) |
| 07:38.18 | findlay | yeah |
| 07:38.29 | maquis | :) |
| 07:38.52 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, how |
| 07:39.33 | nick125 | xen is a bike without wheels |
| 07:39.38 | nick125 | it simply doesnt work |
| 07:39.39 | nick125 | :/ |
| 07:39.41 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:39.43 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 07:39.53 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: I have two NICs and two ports available in the wall. My apartment complex provides access gratis |
| 07:39.56 | xbmodder_lappy | a server without ethernet cables |
| 07:40.00 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 07:40.05 | findlay | all fiber, by the way, oh yeah |
| 07:40.17 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: what if its over wireless or fiber or something not-ethernet? |
| 07:40.26 | findlay | fiber out of the apartment building, I mean |
| 07:40.28 | nick125 | what about...token ring! |
| 07:40.30 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, ! |
| 07:40.34 | QBFreak | mmm token ring |
| 07:40.48 | findlay | is that like Tolkein Ring? |
| 07:40.55 | nick125 | lol |
| 07:42.13 | QBFreak | nick125: gotta be better than mine |
| 07:43.05 | QBFreak | Pentium with MMX! whoo |
| 07:43.35 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:43.37 | findlay | sweet |
| 07:44.11 | nick125 | least yours probably doesnt segfault while compiling a kernel |
| 07:44.27 | QBFreak | I don't think mine would easilly run linux, not well anyway |
| 07:44.53 | levi | QBFreak: Hah. I used to run Linux on lesser hardware. |
| 07:44.58 | maquis | nick125: i recall reading someplace that kernel compilation is one of the best ways to test your memory... |
| 07:45.07 | levi | QBFreak: Actually, I still do, at work. |
| 07:45.07 | maquis | if it seg-faults randomly, your memory is likely bad... |
| 07:45.15 | nick125 | make ARCH=xen |
| 07:45.19 | nick125 | woops wrong terminal |
| 07:45.22 | QBFreak | well, it'd run it but I don't think I'd make use of most of the hardware very well |
| 07:45.25 | QBFreak | heh |
| 07:45.29 | levi | QBFreak: Except at work, it's a dinky embedded processor. |
| 07:45.32 | nick125 | i have too many terminals and keybaords |
| 07:45.44 | nick125 | maquis: memory checks out fine in memtest |
| 07:45.46 | levi | QBFreak: What are you running on it? |
| 07:45.58 | QBFreak | I mostly use it for the parallel programmer for my PIC |
| 07:46.00 | QBFreak | win98 |
| 07:46.07 | maquis | nick125: yeah... but the article i was reading said that kernel compilation finds a ton of things that memtest can't find |
| 07:46.28 | levi | You could almost certainly make it run Linux better than Win98. You probably wouldn't want to run gnome/kde/etc. on it, though. |
| 07:46.29 | maquis | memtest is very... methodical, and not anything like how memory actually gets used... |
| 07:46.38 | findlay | heh, try cmpiling gcc. That'll give your hardware something to think about |
| 07:46.48 | QBFreak | its handy to have FF on trips thats for sure |
| 07:47.23 | maquis | findlay: compiling openoffice is apparently a beast |
| 07:47.50 | maquis | my first time installing gentoo, i didn't know that there were -bin ebuilds for some things... |
| 07:48.06 | maquis | after about 15 hours, i just killed the emerge of openoffice |
| 07:48.32 | findlay | maquis: yeah I was thinking that. How long would it take to compile openoffice on a pentium laptop |
| 07:48.44 | findlay | it would need at least a gig of swap |
| 07:48.45 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, figure out how to get networking working |
| 07:48.52 | xbmodder_lappy | then we are set to go for tommorow! |
| 07:48.58 | QBFreak | a gig, thats 1/3 of the HDD |
| 07:49.00 | maquis | findlay: who knows... my laptop that i did this on was a p4 |
| 07:49.35 | nick125 | mm...somethings screwed up |
| 07:49.51 | xbmodder_lappy | I ran out of ram when compiling OpenOffice.. that was sad |
| 07:50.05 | levi | QBFreak: I had Debian running on a 486dx/33 w/10mb RAM and a 100mb hard drive. |
| 07:50.45 | findlay | since it took about 6-8 on my last desktop |
| 07:50.55 | xbmodder_lappy | With my entire cluster running at full capacity I can do it in about 6 |
| 07:50.56 | levi | I had it networked to a smokin'-fast pentium 133 via 10base-2 coax ethernet. |
| 07:50.58 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 07:51.15 | QBFreak | levi: I don't suppose anything but minix runs on 8088/286? |
| 07:51.30 | xbmodder_lappy | minix runs? |
| 07:51.35 | QBFreak | good point |
| 07:51.47 | levi | QBFreak: I dunno, Linux might run on it now that it's got nommu support in the main kernel. |
| 07:52.01 | QBFreak | I'll have to look around one day |
| 07:52.18 | levi | It'd be pretty slow on there, though. |
| 07:52.23 | QBFreak | oh yeah :) |
| 07:52.38 | QBFreak | I actually have an 8-bit NIC ISA somewhere, couldn't find DOS drivers for it |
| 07:52.46 | QBFreak | err ISA NIC |
| 07:54.40 | levi | I purposefully picked 10base-2 over 10base-t so I wouldn't have to buy a hub. |
| 07:54.53 | xbmodder_lappy | Its a pain to make it work without |
| 07:55.03 | xbmodder_lappy | MMU working.. ;-) |
| 07:55.13 | nick125 | + |
| 07:55.18 | levi | Got the NICs and cable at a used computer shop. |
| 07:56.13 | levi | Neither of my embedded systems at work have MMUs, and I get along just fine. |
| 07:56.27 | nick125 | lol |
| 07:56.38 | findlay | ~dict MMU |
| 07:57.40 | QBFreak | Memory Management Unit (MMU) is the part of the processor that is responsible for protecting system resources from unwanted access and also adding the capability for handling virtual memory. |
| 07:58.05 | QBFreak | so says google and wikipedia |
| 08:09.47 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: ROFL did you see how circe when PD? |
| 08:14.06 | QBFreak | geeze, I forgot this movie had a few parts that will startle the crap out of you if you're not expecting it |
| 08:14.29 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: why aren't you in *the* channel? |
| 08:31.41 | nick125 | i surely hope missing hotplug would cause xen domU not to boot |
| 08:31.43 | nick125 | .:01:37:17:. >> onweald_tim<< nick125 will be cussing a blue streak if that is the problem. |
| 08:31.47 | nick125 | lol |
| 08:33.40 | nick125 | must..find...gentoo...developer |
| 08:58.25 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: you around? |
| 08:58.37 | nick125 | or did xen mentally hurt you? |
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| 15:12.28 | amcnabb | I was reading an interesting article (http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7929). As soon as I read a quote from the subject, "The potential data capacity is enormous, and there'd be a very high data transfer rate. Consequently, there'd be no need for expensive compression software like MPEG and others, and no need to backup data," I knew this guy was a quack. |
| 15:12.30 | brac | [p2pnet.net - the original daily p2p and digital media news |
| 15:12.30 | brac | site] |
| 15:13.34 | _dave_ | Well, who needs MPEG when you have unlimited storage space? |
| 15:13.44 | _dave_ | It'd save lots of CPU cycles. |
| 15:14.07 | amcnabb | The main thing is "No need to backup data" |
| 15:14.14 | amcnabb | That's an incredibly stupid thing to say. |
| 15:14.31 | _dave_ | Indeed, the whole sentence wreaks of ambiguity. |
| 15:15.55 | amcnabb | And later, when he's talking about his "technology," he says "I'm convinced... that it's possible to create an 'Atomic Quantum Switch'" |
| 15:16.00 | amcnabb | He hasn't even done anything yet. |
| 15:16.31 | _dave_ | Sounds like he has a marketing degree and he employs a nerd in his basement. |
| 15:16.42 | amcnabb | yep |
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| 15:32.15 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, um |
| 15:32.16 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 15:32.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Sleepy |
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| 16:43.32 | levi | Morning. |
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| 16:59.55 | levi | Doesn't look like they're heading anywhere good. |
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| 17:05.51 | sjansen | http://oneutah.org/2006/02/16/no-lawyer-left-standing/ |
| 17:07.46 | Bradipo | sjansen: That's outrageous. |
| 17:09.01 | Jayce^ | awesome.. |
| 17:09.47 | sjansen | Uh oh, looks like Bradipo's going to offer a reward for my death. |
| 17:09.54 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 17:10.14 | Jayce^ | how much Bradipo ? :-> |
| 17:10.50 | Bradipo | Hmm, which currency has the most inflation right now so I can make it look like a big sum of money... |
| 17:11.03 | Bradipo | For the least amount of FRN. |
| 17:12.21 | Bradipo | Anyone here have any Muslim friends that care to comment on what is going on over there? |
| 17:12.43 | Bradipo | Offering a reward for the assassination of a cartoonist seems a little overboard to me. |
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| 17:26.39 | levi | I probably should have designed the API such that it copied the string passed to it rather than storing it directly. But if I changed it, I'd have to fix everything that calls it. |
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| 17:35.11 | emcnabb | time for three hours of nothing |
| 17:35.42 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 17:37.12 | harleypig | mheath: I'm rarely around in the evenings. |
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| 17:38.19 | emcnabb | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 17:38.21 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 18:20.33 | PoeticIntensity | Eeeeeeeyello. |
| 18:21.45 | Bradipo | Question on qmail-remote |
| 18:22.37 | Bradipo | If there are 500 messages for a single domain, will it only use the first MX record returned or will it pick an MX at random (assuming they all have the same distance)? |
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| 18:23.08 | Bradipo | Oops, wrong channel. |
| 18:24.26 | Jayce^ | no need to be embarrased about it bradipo... :) |
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| 18:39.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:40.21 | elg | sjansen: I'm talking to you over a native open source linux driver for my broadcom (airport extreme) wireless card |
| 18:40.29 | elg | vontrapp got his to work with it too |
| 18:40.33 | elg | just thought you'd like to know |
| 18:43.36 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 18:51.34 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 18:54.32 | sjansen | elg: thanks |
| 18:54.57 | elg | ~sober sjansen |
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| 18:55.37 | elg | ~sober $who is <action>shoves a liter of aspirin down $who's throat. |
| 18:55.38 | ibot | elg: okay |
| 18:59.10 | sjansen | I think that'll make a person more than sober. |
| 19:00.18 | elg | sjansen: quiet dignity |
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| 19:10.41 | findlay | why would sport and dport ever need to differ? |
| 19:11.00 | elg | because otherwise you could only download one web page at a time |
| 19:12.10 | findlay | so the server has lots of (non-privileged) ports open for the same service and the client only needs one? |
| 19:13.07 | goozbach | findlay: other way around |
| 19:16.13 | sjansen | heh |
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| 19:16.26 | nick125_xen | :D |
| 19:16.51 | findlay | nick125_xen: cool |
| 19:17.04 | sjansen | Some time ago, I worked for an employer that used Cisco's VPN solution. (I won't mention how I feel about binary only kernel drivers.) |
| 19:17.07 | sjansen | T |
| 19:17.36 | nick125_xen | im in fedora core 4...i downloaded it off a xen images site...i wanted to see how it is in fc :p |
| 19:17.39 | sjansen | Said organization established a VPN policy that required all traffic intranet and outbound to go through the VPN. |
| 19:17.46 | sjansen | Queue serious lag. |
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| 19:18.39 | sjansen | I know realize that avoiding the policy while still using the VPN would probably be possible by running the VPN in a virtualized OS instance and doing some routing tricks. |
| 19:19.15 | nick125_xen | mm...gonna now download centos and slackware wee.. |
| 19:19.17 | sjansen | (In case anyone is suffering through the situation I used to.) |
| 19:27.05 | findlay | goozbach: why would a remote box be trying to connect to a local nonprivileged port from port 80? |
| 19:32.23 | findlay | if iptables doesn't match those packets as either being RELATED or ESTABLISHED |
| 19:33.22 | goozbach | findlay: that shouldn't be happening |
| 19:33.43 | elg | oh man, I forgot the soy |
| 19:33.49 | goozbach | but you should connect from non-provligeged port on the client to port 80 on the server |
| 19:35.22 | findlay | I'm sure that out in the dangerous and wild wilderness that is the internet a lot of dubious and intentionally malicious activity is beholden |
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| 20:00.04 | mheath_ | Mmm. Jolt Cola. |
| 20:00.07 | mheath_ | I didn't think anywhere in Utah sold it :) |
| 20:00.16 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:01.32 | elg | ~rlart |
| 20:09.02 | findlay | mheath_: that's essence of kidney dialasis you've got in your hand |
| 20:11.10 | mheath_ | findlay: Ah, but I contain essense of youth. :) |
| 20:11.18 | mheath_ | I'm not pretending its good for me |
| 20:11.42 | mheath_ | Only that, if I'm going to eat and drink things like I currently do anytime during my life, it might as well be now, when my body is fresh and best equipped to handle it :) |
| 20:11.47 | Tene | ~weather 84118 |
| 20:12.02 | mheath_ | I think ibot's ~weather code needs to be revamped. |
| 20:12.05 | mheath_ | To do searches |
| 20:12.08 | mheath_ | -weather 84118 |
| 20:12.09 | brac | couldn't find weather data for 84118 |
| 20:12.22 | findlay | -weather 12345 |
| 20:12.23 | brac | couldn't find weather data for 12345 |
| 20:12.28 | elg | airport code |
| 20:12.41 | tensai | ~weather ksfo |
| 20:12.48 | findlay | ibot: what's my airport code? |
| 20:12.55 | mheath_ | -weather slc |
| 20:12.56 | elg | kpvu |
| 20:12.57 | brac | couldn't find weather data for SLC |
| 20:13.01 | elg | kslc |
| 20:13.01 | mheath_ | erm |
| 20:13.07 | elg | -weather kslc |
| 20:13.08 | Tene | ~weather kslc |
| 20:13.08 | mheath_ | kogd? :P |
| 20:13.11 | brac | 1 hours, 17 minutes ago, on Fri Feb 17 18:56:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.09 meters per second (6.90 miles per hour) from the North/Northwest at KSLC. The temperature was -3.3 degrees Celsius (26.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1017 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 62.6%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2134 meters (7000 feet). |
| 20:13.18 | mheath_ | What's ogden's? |
| 20:13.25 | elg | airnav.com |
| 20:13.30 | elg | -weather klru |
| 20:14.15 | mheath_ | findlay: they didn't have classic jolt cola, either |
| 20:14.31 | mheath_ | This is "Jolt Cola CX2 - 140 Jolts of Caffeine" |
| 20:14.37 | mheath_ | Twice the caffeine |
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| 20:14.54 | mheath_ | Which is mildly disturbing, as I believe Jolt got a reputation as already having twice the caffeine of most things. |
| 20:16.33 | mheath_ | Wow, I like how seamlessly Ubuntu upgrades work. |
| 20:16.59 | mheath_ | But it seems like the interoperability of advanced features between various packages is more of a hack than, say, Gentoo's system. |
| 20:17.53 | findlay | gentoo has no facilities for advanced interoperability between packages because the packages are compiled aginst each other |
| 20:18.39 | findlay | one of the advantages of portage/ports I think |
| 20:18.54 | mheath_ | findlay: well, thats what I'm saying. Things just smoothly work together, because their compiled to do so |
| 20:19.02 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:19.14 | mheath_ | Whereas in a binary package management system, weird situations and weird dependencies seems a bit messy. |
| 20:19.42 | mheath_ | I mean, I'm setting up postfix right nwo. |
| 20:19.46 | mheath_ | Theres only one postfix package |
| 20:19.59 | mheath_ | But it can work in many different ways and be linked to many different libraries depending on your situation |
| 20:20.10 | mheath_ | Not as clean as a postfix thats compiled just the way I need it |
| 20:20.20 | elg | mheath_: it's a tradeoff. if you wait for enough things to recompile you don't have to worry about library versions |
| 20:20.24 | levi | Well, you can always get a source package and compile it yourself. |
| 20:20.39 | mheath_ | elg: indeed. I'm not complaining, just observing. |
| 20:20.57 | levi | But the supplied packages are generally varied enough to support the most common configurations. |
| 20:21.10 | elg | yup. I've always come down on the "I'm too impatient to wait so I'll live with what the smart distro people have cobbled together" side of the coin |
| 20:21.23 | mheath_ | elg: thats been my philosophy lately, too |
| 20:21.36 | elg | it'll be more so the older you get. :) |
| 20:21.41 | mheath_ | I used to really love playing with the weird distros. Carefully administrating my systems, playing with new things, etc. |
| 20:21.49 | Tene | That works really well for me on everything except php. |
| 20:21.52 | jsmith | elg: This coming from somebody running OSX? |
| 20:21.54 | mheath_ | Now, I really just want something for works. |
| 20:21.55 | Tene | hate @ php |
| 20:21.58 | elg | -lart jsmith |
| 20:22.07 | elg | actually I'm in linux on my ibook now |
| 20:22.09 | elg | so ha |
| 20:22.09 | mheath_ | *something that works |
| 20:22.11 | Tene | ~lart php |
| 20:22.21 | jsmith | Tene: Still hating PHP, are we? |
| 20:22.23 | levi | elg: How come? |
| 20:22.25 | elg | I may spend much more time in linux now that my built-in wireless card works |
| 20:22.30 | Tene | always, jsmith. |
| 20:22.40 | mheath_ | Ugh, I really dislike PHP. |
| 20:22.41 | elg | levi: at the moment, mostly seeing how stable this wireless driver is |
| 20:22.42 | levi | elg: Hmm, when did that happen? |
| 20:22.50 | mheath_ | I've been playing with JSP lately. I much prefer that. |
| 20:22.51 | levi | The wireless driver being supported, I mean. |
| 20:22.52 | elg | apparently mid january |
| 20:22.58 | elg | it's still sort of alpha |
| 20:22.59 | jsmith | About a month or so ago |
| 20:23.00 | mheath_ | Haven't played with perl any, but it looks far better, too. |
| 20:23.05 | elg | but it's working fine |
| 20:23.18 | Tene | <3 perl |
| 20:23.28 | levi | mheath_: Well, from a software engineering standpoint, just about anything is better than php. |
| 20:23.41 | findlay | lets think of all the ways we can "test" elg's wireless nic... |
| 20:23.54 | Tene | and from a "doesn't drive you out of your mind" standpoint too. |
| 20:23.56 | levi | From an ease-of-use for simple tasks standpoint, php looks a little better. |
| 20:23.57 | mheath_ | I feel evil saying JSP is better |
| 20:23.59 | elg | I know, how about we send me to take an engineering class "quiz" |
| 20:24.01 | mheath_ | I used to hate Java |
| 20:24.10 | mheath_ | But its really, really grown on me. I'm in love with the language. |
| 20:24.15 | Tene | yes, PHP is good for very simple tasks |
| 20:24.25 | Tene | but is horribly terrible for anything large. |
| 20:24.41 | mheath_ | However, I don't like the whole J2EE stuff |
| 20:24.48 | levi | Yeah, it was obviously not designed, and has yet to get shaken down into a reasonable language like perl has. |
| 20:25.00 | mheath_ | Actually implementing a page in JSP gets incredibly complex just because of the weird infrastructure required to support them |
| 20:25.18 | Tene | levi: PHP was originally designed to be a simple templating language. |
| 20:25.26 | levi | tene: Yeah, I know its history. |
| 20:25.32 | Tene | yeah |
| 20:25.43 | levi | 'Personal Home Page' :) |
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| 20:26.52 | levi | Java is a pretty vanilla language, really. It's Sun's virtual machine that's impressive. |
| 20:27.18 | RyanE | It's a vanilla that you can't add your own flavor to. |
| 20:27.30 | levi | And the huge standard library. |
| 20:27.31 | Tene | levi: what do you think of parrot? |
| 20:27.44 | levi | I think parrot is a cool idea. |
| 20:27.53 | jsmith | Tene: So? Perl was originally a language written for writing reports... what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? |
| 20:28.00 | levi | It's too bad Dan Sugalski isn't working on it anymore. |
| 20:28.09 | levi | 'jsmith Perl has had a lot longer to evolve. |
| 20:28.33 | Jayce^ | levi, agreed about Dan, think he really overstretched himself tho.. |
| 20:28.45 | jsmith | levi: Sure... and so has Cobol |
| 20:29.08 | jsmith | Don't take me seriously... I'm just messin' with y'all... |
| 20:29.22 | findlay | ~duck jsmith |
| 20:29.23 | ibot | ACTION gives jsmith a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels jsmith with it's big white wings. |
| 20:29.32 | levi | jsmith: Well, I imagine today's Cobol bears about as much resemblance to the original Cobol as today's Visual Basic does to the original BASIC. |
| 20:30.20 | levi | Which isn't to say it's not still evil; it may very well be. We'll just have to see how php continues to evolve. |
| 20:31.45 | findlay | what's the /etc/ file that lists all the ports? |
| 20:31.59 | RyanE | /etc/services? |
| 20:32.12 | Tene | tcp ports or bsd ports? |
| 20:32.16 | findlay | that's it |
| 20:32.27 | findlay | Tene: is there a diffeeence? |
| 20:32.40 | findlay | s/difference/ |
| 20:32.44 | Tene | that is to say, the "ports" package management system |
| 20:32.50 | levi | bsd ports is roughly equivalent to gentoo ebuilds |
| 20:32.58 | levi | Er, portage |
| 20:33.01 | findlay | oh, those ports |
| 20:33.04 | findlay | (: |
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| 20:34.14 | maquis | -lart specialz |
| 20:48.56 | mheath_ | hmm |
| 20:49.12 | mheath_ | anyone know what protocols HP uses for their network-enabled photosmart's? |
| 20:49.55 | mheath_ | Is it an open protocol, that I'd be able to use from a Linux computer? |
| 20:50.23 | mheath_ | I know that they require their software to use it from a Windows computer, even. I don't think its as simple as adding a network printer using the Window's wizards. |
| 20:50.41 | tensai | have you tried FTP? WebDAV? |
| 20:50.49 | tensai | pull out a port sniffer and give it a look |
| 20:50.54 | tensai | s/port/packet/ |
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| 20:51.49 | mheath_ | Meh, I was wondering if anyone had worked with them before I tried any of that. |
| 20:51.53 | mheath_ | Haven't really taken a look. |
| 20:57.57 | findlay | for a block of addresses between 64.137.24.0 to 64.137.31.255, what would the broadcast address be? |
| 20:59.16 | findlay | nevermind... |
| 21:02.21 | tensai | although the answer to that question is obvious, I highly recommend ipcalc |
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| 21:47.24 | elg | -lart tivoli |
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| 21:53.00 | maquis | hmmm |
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| 21:55.21 | findlay | ChanServ: hi |
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| 22:00.41 | elg | that depends on how fast you can type the answer |
| 22:02.19 | maquis | elg: ?? |
| 22:02.24 | elg | er, the question |
| 22:06.45 | levi | maquis: What's the question? |
| 22:07.05 | maquis | levi: looks like a memory error of some sort... |
| 22:07.16 | levi | Of course, it's C. |
| 22:09.36 | levi | I've been helping my coworker fix C errors today. |
| 22:10.22 | maquis | -lart ddd |
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| 22:21.44 | jsmith | maquis: Don't like ddd? |
| 22:22.19 | jsmith | maquis: I saw someone talking about a new "front-end" for GDB the other day, but it was a curses-style interface that was supposed to be pretty slick... |
| 22:22.26 | jsmith | maquis: Of course, now I can't find the link |
| 22:22.52 | maquis | jsmith: ddd was confused, and caused me to be confused |
| 22:24.50 | sjansen | maquis: real men debug with printf |
| 22:25.22 | maquis | sjansen: been there, done that :) |
| 22:25.32 | nick125 | mm |
| 22:25.32 | elg | nah, real men use gdb |
| 22:25.38 | elg | printf is for wussies |
| 22:25.43 | levi | Real men analyze the source code. |
| 22:25.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah. |
| 22:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Real men analyze the ASM. |
| 22:26.16 | levi | That's fine if you're going to patch the asm, but doesn't help if you have an optimizing compiler and you need to compile again. |
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| 22:27.57 | tensai | I always liked kdbg and kdevelop |
| 22:28.29 | levi | I always liked ddd, but lately I just use gdb. |
| 22:29.45 | sjansen | vim + printf, for really hard problems print the source code and lay it out on a big table |
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| 22:31.39 | elg | levi: the trick is keeping the compiler in mind while you read the asm |
| 22:31.59 | elg | real men debug parallel and multithreaded applications |
| 22:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 22:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | elg wins |
| 22:33.24 | RyanE | real men print out FPGA diagrams and debug in firmware. |
| 22:33.39 | levi | elg: Those are only real men for short periods of time, for they shortly lose their sanity. |
| 22:34.30 | sjansen | real man debug using nother but their tongue as an interface to the serial port |
| 22:34.49 | sjansen | s/nother/nothing/ |
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| 22:41.05 | goozbach | real men write programs that don't have errors. |
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| 22:42.44 | sjansen | goozbach: well, duh, but most of them have to help co-workers |
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| 22:45.19 | levi | I debug my coworker's code by asking him questions. ;) |
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| 23:08.39 | findlay | what's port 5678 for? |
| 23:10.01 | jsmith | Nothing comes to mind... |
| 23:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm thinking jabber almost |
| 23:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | If not, the jabber ports are close |
| 23:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 23:10.23 | findlay | rrac 5678/tcp Remote Replication Agent Connection |
| 23:10.33 | findlay | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 23:11.30 | Tene | yeah, xmpp is close |
| 23:11.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 23:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | But not quite |
| 23:12.13 | goozbach | grep /etc/services |
| 23:12.50 | jsmith | goozbach: I tried that, but it wasn't in there |
| 23:15.03 | findlay | 10.1.1.1 wants to broadcast to 255.255.255.255 on port 5678 |
| 23:20.10 | tensai | http://www.iss.net/security_center/advice/Exploits/Ports/5678/default.htm |
| 23:20.11 | brac | [5678] |
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| 23:22.13 | levi | Heh, 37signals just did IRC for the web. |
| 23:26.06 | findlay | Is it possible to have de ja voo on IRC? |
| 23:26.27 | sjansen | huh? |
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