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| 00:04.54 | mrpull-x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
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| 01:32.20 | findlay | ! |
| 01:33.28 | findlay | levi: whatever. Tchaikowsky? Didn't he write film music and other such emotional trash? |
| 01:35.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Tchaikovsky, I think is the correct spelling. |
| 01:36.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Then again, since it's a Russian name, it's possible that the letter in question doesn't exist in the Latin alphabet. |
| 01:36.43 | Lone_Wanderer | making either v or w acceptable |
| 01:42.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Me too. |
| 01:45.44 | levi | Just heard a portion of Swan Lake, too. |
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| 02:45.05 | elg | wow. xcode's front end to gdb is really slick |
| 02:48.36 | xbmodder_lappy | slick or sick? |
| 02:50.04 | xbmodder_lappy | grr |
| 02:58.41 | levi | elg: Using xcode, eh? What are you coding? |
| 03:00.29 | elg | dilvie's haas plugin |
| 03:01.00 | elg | i couldn't figure out how to make a makefile for VST on osx, but I did have a sample xcode proj |
| 03:03.07 | findlay | levi: are those like pushups? |
| 03:03.21 | levi | findlay: Like pushups... FOR YOUR BRAIN. |
| 03:07.05 | xbmodder_lappy | something is screwed up. |
| 03:07.14 | xbmodder_lappy | I can put traffic out |
| 03:07.16 | xbmodder_lappy | but not in |
| 03:08.12 | goozbach | w00t! |
| 03:10.04 | xbmodder_lappy | sure? |
| 03:12.41 | levi | Wow, Ackermann's function makes large numbers very quickly. |
| 03:12.49 | xbmodder_lappy | how? |
| 03:13.07 | levi | ... |
| 03:13.25 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 03:13.42 | xbmodder_lappy | what are these torino games? |
| 03:14.39 | levi | A(x, y) = 0 when y = 0, 2 * y when x = 0, 2 when y = 1, and A(x-1, A(x, y-1)) otherwise. |
| 03:25.13 | levi | That's how it makes large numbers very quickly. |
| 03:25.18 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
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| 03:27.50 | xbmodder_lappy | what am I doing wrong: |
| 03:27.51 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder ~ # iptables-save |grep eth2 |
| 03:27.51 | xbmodder_lappy | -A POSTROUTING -d 208.201.224.9 -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE |
| 03:27.51 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder ~ # iptables -D POSTROUTING -d 208.201.224.9 -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE |
| 03:27.54 | xbmodder_lappy | iptables: Bad rule (does a matching rule exist in that chain?) |
| 03:47.14 | levi | http://xmog.com/scrap/show/5 |
| 03:47.16 | brac | [Why Java (and almost every other programming language) sucks] |
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| 04:32.17 | nick__ | grr |
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| 05:55.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here have HE.net as their colo provider? |
| 05:55.42 | SpecialK | Did BYU CS quotas go way up at semester? |
| 05:57.49 | maquis | yay for higher quotas!!!! |
| 06:02.43 | RyanE | quotas for what? Disk space? |
| 06:03.22 | maquis | RyanE: yup |
| 06:03.43 | RyanE | cool |
| 06:04.15 | RyanE | my disk quota went up over the holiday. I bought a new drive for my MythTV box... :) |
| 06:04.53 | maquis | nice |
| 06:04.55 | maquis | how big? |
| 06:06.00 | RyanE | it was just a 200G, bringing the total from 240G to nearly 300G (I replaced a 120 with it) |
| 06:06.34 | maquis | cool |
| 06:06.49 | RyanE | yeah, it was a Staples sale, don't remember how much, but relatively not much. |
| 06:06.55 | maquis | our quota in the cs dept went from 150MB to 300MB |
| 06:07.35 | RyanE | I think our entire disk for CS143 was 20M, for all the students when i was there. |
| 06:07.47 | RyanE | Of course, that was a Corvus disk hooked up to a bunch of Apple II's. :) |
| 06:07.58 | maquis | haha |
| 06:08.23 | RyanE | and we had no idea what to do with all the space, since it was Apple II assembly we were using in class. |
| 06:08.33 | maquis | :) |
| 06:08.49 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:09.08 | levi | I had 68k asm on Mac SEs for my first go at CS143. |
| 06:09.34 | RyanE | I TA'ed the 68K asm when they first started it. |
| 06:10.06 | levi | My second go at it had PPC Macs and used the SPIM simulator. |
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| 06:10.38 | levi | The third time, we had a totally different class in which we designed our own simple CPU and wrote in the asm language for that. |
| 06:10.58 | RyanE | they switched to 68K a loong time ago, like right after my mission ('89) |
| 06:12.16 | levi | I think I first took it in '95, which would have been the last 68k year. |
| 06:12.42 | RyanE | I think I had 143 in '86-ish |
| 06:13.03 | RyanE | I only took that one once. It was Math 113 that I took a few times. :) |
| 06:20.38 | levi | I took too many courses more than once. That's why I'm still in school. ;) |
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| 06:27.07 | xbmodder_lappy | nick__, can you configure are server on dell.com? Why so many "_" |
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| 06:40.36 | RyanE | and if so, how many are up at this hour, logged into #utah? |
| 06:40.43 | maquis | RyanE: true |
| 06:44.58 | xbmodder_lappy | :-? |
| 06:45.15 | xbmodder_lappy | ldap? |
| 06:46.44 | maquis | yes... ldap |
| 06:47.15 | maquis | which oit refuses to lock down, even though they've been informed that it's easy to harvest it for email addresses and spamming purposes |
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| 06:55.25 | SpecialK | ~lart xbmodder_ for considering LDAP raiding |
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| 14:40.52 | bonez39 | where does vim store text when a new document is being created? |
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| 14:47.32 | Newsome | bonez39: besides in memory? |
| 14:49.05 | bonez39 | Newsome, I was ssh'ed to my work machine from home last night...typed up some copy for a flyer..and then had to leave...and when I came back the ssh connection had close and took with it my masterpiece... |
| 14:49.23 | bonez39 | Newsome, I was hoping it was left hanging in some /tmp file somewhere..so I could retrieve it |
| 14:51.03 | Newsome | look for a file that ends ".swp" |
| 14:51.18 | Newsome | had you named it, or did you just run vim with no filename? |
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| 14:53.07 | bonez39 | did not rename...just never had saved it..though I opened vim with a specific name....for the file |
| 14:53.34 | Newsome | bonez39: do you know what directory you were in when you started? |
| 14:54.11 | bonez39 | Newsome, I found the .swp file..... |
| 14:54.24 | bonez39 | but now if I try to open it.....I get a screen full of gibberish |
| 14:54.36 | Newsome | yeah, don't just open the .swp file in vim |
| 14:54.56 | bonez39 | how do I open the file....not the .swp..just open that same name? |
| 14:55.01 | Newsome | bonez39: try "vim -r file" |
| 14:55.05 | bonez39 | without the .swp |
| 14:55.12 | Newsome | yeah, without the .swp |
| 14:55.43 | bonez39 | ah.....cool. thank you....it's back.... |
| 14:55.46 | Newsome | great |
| 14:55.47 | bonez39 | whewwwwwww |
| 14:55.55 | Newsome | don't forget to save it, though ;) |
| 14:56.16 | Newsome | and you may need to remove the .swp file manually |
| 14:57.03 | lars-ut | ~jedi brac |
| 14:57.05 | ibot | ACTION plays jedi mind tricks on brac |
| 14:58.17 | lars-ut | urls 20 |
| 14:58.48 | lars-ut | -urls 20 |
| 14:58.48 | brac | [2006/02/12 20:47:15] <levi> http://xmog.com/scrap/show/5 |
| 14:58.48 | brac | [2006/02/11 21:50:22] <digistic> http://linuxgazette.net/123/vishnu.html |
| 14:58.48 | brac | [2006/02/11 13:05:38] <digistic> http://www.quotetracker.com/index_nn.asp |
| 14:58.49 | brac | [2006/02/11 12:53:28] <digistic> http://www.mail-archive.com/uug-list@uug.byu.edu/msg17449.html |
| 14:58.51 | brac | [2006/02/11 12:50:17] <scottj> http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/analyzeSecurities.html |
| 14:58.51 | brac | [2006/02/11 12:46:32] <digistic> http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/techAnalysis1.html |
| 14:58.51 | brac | [2006/02/11 12:29:12] <digistic> http://stockcharts.com/education/Overview/index.html |
| 14:58.53 | brac | [2006/02/11 11:32:52] <digistic> http://digistic.wikispaces.com |
| 14:58.55 | brac | [2006/02/11 11:31:46] <lars-ut> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820211319 |
| 14:58.57 | brac | [2006/02/11 11:31:13] <digistic> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions |
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| 15:07.35 | bonez39 | Newsome, on another note...do you know where I could find help ... etc...on OO2 on debian? |
| 15:07.51 | bonez39 | version 2 works well, but there are a few times when I need a help file..... |
| 15:12.20 | Newsome | Hmm, I don't really know of anything debian-specific |
| 15:12.32 | bonez39 | OK....... |
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| 16:07.37 | sjansen | http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3574 |
| 16:07.39 | brac | [Something Awful] |
| 16:07.50 | sjansen | goozbach: That one goes out to you. |
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| 16:27.43 | goozbach | sjansen: THANK you! |
| 16:29.32 | goozbach | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php |
| 16:29.34 | brac | [Ctrl+Alt+Del - Tragically l337] |
| 16:30.56 | goozbach | the best geek valentines EVER |
| 16:31.32 | goozbach | so cool |
| 16:32.29 | nick125 | yay! |
| 16:32.29 | nick125 | Global evaluation |
| 16:32.30 | nick125 | ----------------- |
| 16:32.30 | nick125 | Your code has been rated at 10.00/10 (previous run: 9.81/10) |
| 16:32.31 | nick125 | :D |
| 16:35.57 | levi_ | nick125: What's that from? |
| 16:36.11 | nick125 | thats after i ran my python code though pylint :D |
| 16:36.23 | levi_ | Ahh. |
| 16:36.27 | Lone_Wanderer | So, is XP just a fad, or is it actually useful? |
| 16:37.31 | mrpull- | Extreme Programming or Windows XP? |
| 16:37.40 | sjansen | That's cool, but I think CmdrTaco using Slashdot to propose takes the cake. |
| 16:37.48 | Lone_Wanderer | extreme programming |
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| 16:38.15 | elg | XP is a fad, but a lot of the ideas in XP are good and lasting |
| 16:38.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 16:38.54 | Lone_Wanderer | How can youn punch a piece of software? |
| 16:38.58 | Lone_Wanderer | you* |
| 16:39.01 | elg | the term I like for the good parts of XP, the more general term, is agile |
| 16:39.09 | elg | works pretty well on google too |
| 16:39.10 | nick125 | i got a windows XP cd around |
| 16:39.11 | nick125 | :D |
| 16:39.27 | Lone_Wanderer | That's a CD though, not the actual software. |
| 16:39.40 | levi | I don't know if I'd call XP a fad, really. |
| 16:39.40 | nick125 | i was too busy this morning to finish installing gentoo on my box |
| 16:39.57 | Lone_Wanderer | A shiny disk with pits and grooves on it. |
| 16:40.05 | nick125 | lol... |
| 16:40.36 | elg | levi: time will tell |
| 16:40.42 | Lone_Wanderer | The software only exists as an isomorphism (thank you GEB) between the shiny pits and grooves and your computer's physical makeup. |
| 16:40.51 | elg | i think that at least the name is a afd |
| 16:40.57 | elg | it can't be "extreme" forever |
| 16:41.09 | levi | The enthusiasm people have for it is not without basis, which is one of the fundamental aspects of fads. |
| 16:41.12 | Lone_Wanderer | You obviously weren't a teenager in the late 90's, elg. |
| 16:41.31 | Lone_Wanderer | XTREME 4 LIFE!!! and so on |
| 16:42.33 | elg | levi: I suppose you have a point. I was thinking only of the short-livedness of fads, ignoring techincal (non)merit |
| 16:42.38 | nick125 | oo rails |
| 16:42.58 | elg | A lot of XP concepts are good and lasting, and some of them have always been there and XP is just a sort of glue |
| 16:43.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I should have taken time to learn Ruby before trying to pick up Rails. Something you might want to consider if you're going to try learning it, nick |
| 16:43.50 | nick125 | yeah...i tried that before |
| 16:44.19 | levi | elg: A lot of the atoms and chemical processes in me are good and lasting, and my physical body just sort of glues them together! ;) |
| 16:44.53 | elg | well the analogy would be more like arms, legs, major organs |
| 16:45.01 | levi | I.e., there can be value in the organization of good things beyond those good things themselves. |
| 16:45.09 | elg | i.e. putting a robot or a PC together |
| 16:45.12 | elg | but yes |
| 16:45.25 | elg | I'm just saying that I've already seen XP decline, but the things it teaches incline |
| 16:45.29 | elg | I suspect that will continue |
| 16:45.42 | levi | Well, XP is not easy to put fully into practice. |
| 16:45.48 | elg | precisely |
| 16:46.09 | elg | so full-blown XP may be a fad |
| 16:46.19 | levi | No, I still think fad is the wrong word for it. |
| 16:46.30 | levi | Fads are things like hypercolor t-shirts and POGs. |
| 16:46.52 | levi | And 'under construction' gifs on your web page. |
| 16:47.43 | levi | After they're gone, you wonder what we, collectively, were thinking when we used them. |
| 16:47.45 | sjansen | ~deconstruct levi & elg |
| 16:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I still think hypercolor shirts were cool. |
| 16:48.12 | elg | levi: If I were using full-blown XP now, I'd wonder what I was thinking too |
| 16:48.20 | elg | so in my mind, fad. but hey, we can disagree |
| 16:48.38 | levi | elg: Why? What part of it do you think is counterproductive? |
| 16:49.05 | elg | ironically, I think it's unproductive in the way it worries about procedure |
| 16:50.04 | elg | "have to" have team-programming. oops, there goes all my laptop productivity on planes, at home, early morning, etc. |
| 16:50.47 | elg | "always" test-first. Sometimes you just need to sit down, shut up, and code that quick hack |
| 16:50.53 | elg | I guess it's the superlatives too |
| 16:53.10 | levi | Well, those are what define the XP process. You don't have to always use XP. |
| 16:53.50 | levi | I don't think it was meant to be a universal method for creating software, just a way to capture the method that the designers used to build code effectively. |
| 16:54.25 | goozbach | http://goalsuccess.typepad.com/goaltips/2006/02/how_to_take_a_c.html |
| 16:54.45 | elg | levi: yup. those methods are the good, the XP package and hype is the fad |
| 16:56.37 | levi | elg: Well, I still don't think it's a fad, but whatever. I obviously wouldn't use full XP for a personal project, but I think it may still be useful for a team project. |
| 16:59.35 | elg | to be fair, i was being oversimplistic. he asked if it's a fad, I said probably but the methods therein are good |
| 17:00.04 | sjansen | ~tar elg |
| 17:00.08 | ibot | ACTION shoves elg in a box then tosses the box in a trash compactor |
| 17:00.10 | elg | ~feather sjansen |
| 17:00.11 | sjansen | ~feather elg |
| 17:00.30 | elg | wow, ibot gives you gzip for free |
| 17:02.19 | nick125 | lol |
| 17:03.02 | goozbach | sjansen: really? |
| 17:03.04 | goozbach | too bad |
| 17:03.14 | goozbach | all those pixels would get all over your hands |
| 17:03.24 | goozbach | hmm lunch |
| 17:05.00 | nick125 | damnit |
| 17:08.17 | sjansen | goozbach: really what? |
| 17:13.59 | findlay | ~bzip2 sjansen |
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| 17:26.50 | findlay | looks like I won't be purchasing any blue ray DVDs |
| 17:27.36 | findlay | the whole mess reeks of corporate greed. High prices and toxic levels of DRM |
| 17:29.53 | findlay | and did I mention crummy titles? |
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| 17:42.59 | sjansen | So we've got a beta copy of Vista here at the office. |
| 17:43.07 | sjansen | All I can say is "wow!" |
| 17:43.12 | maquis | sjansen: yeah... emcnabb was mentioning that |
| 17:43.26 | sjansen | It's more cracktastic than KDE+Enlightenment. |
| 17:43.48 | sjansen | Trying to understand the file browser makes my head hurt. |
| 17:44.13 | sjansen | No honest person will ever be able to claim that Windows Vista is easier than Linux. |
| 17:44.39 | sjansen | Vista screams "we had an army of developers and had to do _something_ with them". |
| 17:45.17 | RyanE | probably also screams, "well, it *demo'ed* well"... |
| 17:47.29 | harleypig | I'm trying to mount a music cd but I'm getting some weird errors. |
| 17:48.02 | harleypig | my system has the follwoing line it fstab: /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:48.06 | harleypig | any pointers? |
| 17:48.30 | lars-ut | http://www.computerpoweruser.com/email.asp?emid=137986 |
| 17:48.36 | lars-ut | excerpt: |
| 17:48.37 | lars-ut | 'This is a sly way of saying, “This prevents users from voluntarily installing applications on their computers without limiting their ability to run the Microsoft software that came preinstalled with their new PCs.” This is silly security. After four years of work on Vista, Windows engineers still couldn’t figure out how to safely install and uninstall software? What have they been working on all this time?' |
| 17:48.55 | harleypig | I get wrong fs type, bad option, or bad superblock, but it's working on someone elses (win32) system. |
| 17:52.21 | Uncle_Jesse | any ubuntu users here? |
| 17:52.21 | tensai | have you tried specifiying the type? mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 |
| 17:53.44 | lars-ut | sjansen: what version of Vista do you have? |
| 17:54.09 | Jayce^ | you don't mount an audio cd |
| 17:54.30 | tensai | you would if there's a data track on it |
| 17:54.41 | harleypig | tensai: yeah, didn't work. |
| 17:55.00 | harleypig | xmms has a cd player plugin, but I can'tseem to enqueue the songs. |
| 18:00.11 | goozbach | sjansen: I ended up going to boston market |
| 18:01.00 | goozbach | we've got windows vista at the office? |
| 18:01.08 | goozbach | I feel dirty... |
| 18:06.10 | lars-ut | goozbach: not as dirty as you'll feel when you install Vista Beta-2 that hampers your applications' abilities to use the internet |
| 18:06.40 | sjansen | lars-ut: Beta-2 |
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| 18:07.19 | RyanE | *then* you'll feel dirty AND violated. |
| 18:07.43 | sjansen | goozbach: blame emcnabb |
| 18:09.13 | goozbach | emcnabb: what where you thinking? |
| 18:09.28 | goozbach | I'm thinking I don't want to leave Tallahassee |
| 18:09.41 | goozbach | I've even got a date come Wed. |
| 18:09.43 | goozbach | :) |
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| 18:10.44 | nick125 | oo vista!?!?!?!! WHERE?!?!? I WANT!!! |
| 18:11.10 | elg | I wish for a markdown- or textile-like markup language that makes pretty page output (e.g. pdf) with math a la latex |
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| 18:21.24 | levi | elg: Having written a Markdown parser, I fear attempting to do something for something as complex as ascii math notation. |
| 18:21.48 | elg | i'm happy using latex's math notation, for example |
| 18:22.03 | elg | i'm happy delimiting with special characters, and escaping those characters elsewhere |
| 18:22.17 | elg | i'm just unhappy that I have to suffer through latex just to get nice math |
| 18:22.45 | levi | I'm not sure I understand you. |
| 18:23.16 | levi | If you don't mind the math notation and special characters, what part constitutes the suffering? |
| 18:23.36 | elg | \begin{document} |
| 18:23.40 | elg | \begin{verbatim} |
| 18:23.43 | elg | \begin{quote} |
| 18:23.49 | elg | \begin{suffering} |
| 18:23.56 | elg | it's worse than xml] |
| 18:24.11 | elg | and it's inconsistent (and therefore hard to remember) |
| 18:24.15 | elg | but the math parts are nice. |
| 18:24.48 | levi | So, you want something that lets you use the LaTeX markup if you want, but also expands an easier markup language to LaTeX markup? |
| 18:25.15 | elg | I'd settle for lets me use latex math markup if I want, but yes. |
| 18:25.20 | harleypig | anyone have any familiarity with dbiproxy? |
| 18:25.35 | elg | i seem to have a memory of some lisp-like syntax for latex, but I couldn't find it |
| 18:26.02 | levi | elg: Yeah, I think that was in a Scheme of some sort. |
| 18:26.18 | sjansen | LaTeX math, or is TeX math good enough for you? |
| 18:26.57 | findlay | harleypig: I've used cdfs before to mount audio CDs |
| 18:27.00 | elg | not aware of the difference |
| 18:27.07 | findlay | it's a kernel module |
| 18:27.13 | elg | i've never looked at raw tex |
| 18:27.37 | harleypig | findlay: thnx ... I'll give that a shot |
| 18:27.54 | findlay | http://www.elis.rug.ac.be/~ronsse/cdfs/ |
| 18:27.56 | brac | [CDfs v2.6.3] |
| 18:28.56 | findlay | elg: it's not meant for the human eye, really |
| 18:29.03 | findlay | well, not most human eyes |
| 18:29.14 | findlay | (: |
| 18:29.26 | elg | yup |
| 18:31.18 | levi | elg: I think my Markdown parser could be modified fairly easily to output LaTeX and hide LaTeX stuff from the parsing. |
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| 18:36.32 | levi | elg: Was Skribe the one you were thinking of? |
| 18:44.39 | levi | There are also things like LyX and TeXmacs. |
| 18:45.04 | elg | lyx is too much like frontpage |
| 18:45.08 | elg | or dreamweaver |
| 18:45.21 | elg | skribe is what I was thinking of. I'm trying to figure out how to do math in it |
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| 18:51.43 | sjansen | and ConTeXt |
| 18:54.10 | elg | what's context? |
| 18:55.13 | findlay | I know there's a plugin for word called microsoft equation, since I know hans likes to use word for text editing |
| 18:55.24 | elg | -lart findlay |
| 18:55.40 | findlay | it has ugly typesetting |
| 18:56.29 | sjansen | ConTeXt is like LaTeX, a collection of macros on top of TeX. It makes creating custom layouts easier, and has some other cool features. |
| 18:56.35 | sjansen | But it doesn't save you from writing TeX code. |
| 18:57.14 | findlay | is context part of tetex? |
| 19:00.53 | elg | well I'm mostly convinced the right way to go is some tweaks to markdown a la this thread http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/markdown-discuss/2004-April/000369.html , and just sucking it up and doing latex for now. :) |
| 19:00.55 | brac | [Markdown and Mathematics] |
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| 19:01.11 | elg | since I was utterly unable to figure out math in skribe |
| 19:01.19 | elg | a pity, it looks fairly usable otherwise. |
| 19:01.51 | findlay | LaTeX markup isn't very hard |
| 19:03.11 | findlay | elg: what are windows called in vim? |
| 19:03.19 | elg | windows |
| 19:03.57 | findlay | :help windows was what I was looking for I guess (: |
| 19:06.09 | xbmodder_lappy | Is valentines day today? |
| 19:06.23 | findlay | who cares? |
| 19:06.27 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: no |
| 19:06.31 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 19:06.32 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
| 19:06.42 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, contact the colos |
| 19:06.54 | nick125 | *mumbles something evil about colos* |
| 19:07.22 | xbmodder_lappy | sorry it isn't in xfce4's calendar |
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| 19:21.02 | goozbach | lars-ut: yup from the local university ward |
| 19:21.38 | lars-ut | Go Tallahassee! |
| 19:22.24 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach |
| 19:22.38 | maquis | ~beat goozbach |
| 19:22.39 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach with a large stick. |
| 19:23.30 | findlay | ~defend goozbach |
| 19:23.49 | goozbach | findlay: thanks |
| 19:24.11 | findlay | wow, didn't know lars-ut responded to ~ directives when ibot gets lazy |
| 19:24.18 | findlay | (: |
| 19:25.58 | lars-ut | ~assimilate findlay |
| 19:26.00 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into findlay's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 19:26.15 | lars-ut | ~cokezero sjansen |
| 19:26.16 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in sjansen and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 19:26.24 | lars-ut | ~jedi maquis |
| 19:26.26 | ibot | ACTION zaps maquis with her jedi powers |
| 19:27.06 | sjansen | ~crush lars-ut |
| 19:27.08 | ibot | ACTION crushes lars-ut with a full height scsi disk |
| 19:27.08 | findlay | ~darth maul lars-ut |
| 19:27.31 | lars-ut | factoids, factoids... crap. |
| 19:28.40 | findlay | hey, who stole my full height scsi disk? |
| 19:31.21 | lars-ut | ~pimpslap nick125 |
| 19:31.23 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps nick125. ouch! |
| 19:31.36 | nick125 | lol |
| 19:32.12 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 19:32.18 | findlay | . |
| 19:34.23 | lars-ut | ~pistolwhip findlay |
| 19:34.52 | lars-ut | ~pistolwhip findlay |
| 19:35.00 | lars-ut | dang |
| 19:55.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart nick125 |
| 20:01.03 | levi | elg: That thread on Markdown was interesting, thanks. |
| 20:03.03 | xbmodder_lappy | ~kill findlay |
| 20:03.04 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudopositrino gun at findlay |
| 20:09.10 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:09.13 | maquis | nick125: you made my project go away!!!! |
| 20:11.38 | nick125 | ahahahahaah |
| 20:14.35 | maquis | -lart nick125 |
| 20:15.37 | maquis | ~drool on nick125 |
| 20:15.38 | ibot | ACTION duct tapes nick125 to the floor and drools on him |
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| 20:19.15 | elg | ~rlart |
| 20:20.44 | nick125 | del(self._SWITCHES["REALITY"]) |
| 20:21.13 | maquis | doh! turning off reality let nick125 get out of the duct tape! |
| 20:21.26 | maquis | del(nick125) |
| 20:21.42 | nick125 | ProtectedObject Error |
| 20:21.45 | nick125 | :) |
| 20:21.52 | maquis | ~kill nick125 |
| 20:21.54 | ibot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse positrino gun at nick125 |
| 20:22.08 | nick125 | lol.. |
| 20:22.22 | nick125 | oh wait,that error above woudlnt be a protectedobject error |
| 20:22.36 | nick125 | that would be a NameError |
| 20:22.46 | maquis | ?? |
| 20:22.52 | nick125 | del(self._PEOPLE["maquis"]) |
| 20:23.21 | maquis | NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:24.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:26.19 | nick125 | del(self._PEOPLE["deleted"]) |
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| 20:26.36 | deleted | object doesn't exist |
| 20:26.49 | deleted | you could delete spr, though |
| 20:28.55 | findlay | there are 00 kinds of people in this world. Those who can read unary, and those who can't. |
| 20:29.37 | nick125 | thats 0 types of people, stupid. *ducks* |
| 20:30.49 | nick125 | jsmith: maquis is in sbin? |
| 20:31.04 | jsmith | nick125: Scary, isn't it? |
| 20:31.19 | nick125 | fine! im in sssbin |
| 20:31.43 | jsmith | Well doesn't that make you sssssssspecial... |
| 20:31.51 | nick125 | YES IT DOES!! |
| 20:31.52 | nick125 | :) |
| 20:32.06 | dataw0lf | whew |
| 20:32.16 | jsmith | ~lart Canadian Customs officals and UPS |
| 20:32.29 | nick125 | mmm, maybe before i go and put my 1800 number in my signature on my treo, maybe i should set asterisk up *FIRST* |
| 20:32.50 | jsmith | Might help... |
| 20:33.07 | nick125 | Just maybe.. |
| 20:33.46 | findlay | nick125: in unary, 00 is 2 in decimal |
| 20:34.05 | nick125 | i know... |
| 20:34.33 | dataw0lf | ... |
| 20:37.40 | nick125 | anyone here know where i can get treo food? |
| 20:37.51 | nick125 | my treo keeps eating my mail, so it must be hungry |
| 20:38.16 | mrpull- | what pop3 server does RHEL include by default? |
| 20:39.18 | jsmith | mrpull: dovecot |
| 20:39.22 | mrpull- | thanks. |
| 20:39.40 | jsmith | mrpull: I think it'll do POP3 in addition to IMAP... I've always just used it for IMAP though |
| 20:40.11 | mrpull- | jsmith: that was what I was thinking too. |
| 20:40.31 | mrpull- | i don't use it extensively so it was foggy. |
| 20:41.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I take back all I said about Ubuntu - it is slow! |
| 20:41.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I think Fedora is still more user friendly, and fast |
| 20:41.40 | Uncle_Jesse | (I'm talking out of the box, of course) |
| 20:41.53 | Uncle_Jesse | plus Fedora has more up-to-date software |
| 20:42.02 | Uncle_Jesse | </rant> |
| 20:42.14 | nick125 | lol... |
| 20:42.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I may try gentoo - it seems somewhat appealing |
| 20:42.45 | Uncle_Jesse | Doesn't seem quite user-friendly though |
| 20:43.06 | Uncle_Jesse | For a work machine I like something I can fix really quick when there are problems |
| 20:43.08 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: yeah, because spending hundreds of hours compiling software will be easier than FC and Ubuntu ;-) |
| 20:43.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I wish I had my Mac :-( |
| 20:43.55 | nick125 | im gonna put gentoo on my server :D:D:D |
| 20:44.06 | nick125 | with Xen |
| 20:44.07 | nick125 | and such |
| 20:44.08 | nick125 | :D |
| 20:44.11 | levi | Silly gentooers. |
| 20:44.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I can see gentoo being an excellent server OS |
| 20:44.25 | Uncle_Jesse | but I've never used it so I have no clue |
| 20:44.38 | Uncle_Jesse | For now, I'm still a Fedora fan |
| 20:45.06 | osynic | woot! I finally got away from the bane of Comcast. |
| 20:45.13 | levi | An excellent server OS should be distributed as precompiled binaries in configurations that are tested with each other, not a bunch of source that gets custom-compiled on your particular box. |
| 20:45.33 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: good point |
| 20:45.36 | nick125 | i dont see a problem with running gentoo on a server.. |
| 20:46.05 | levi | nick125: Because your definition of a server is different than mine, probably. |
| 20:46.19 | mrpull- | RHEL is tough to beat |
| 20:46.25 | mrpull- | CentOS comes close |
| 20:46.26 | nick125 | lets not get into these stupid arguments |
| 20:46.34 | levi | To me, a server has two qualities: it runs server software, and it is extremely reliable. |
| 20:46.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't know about gentoo, but I still think there are more Fedora packages than Ubuntu and Debian packages |
| 20:46.39 | mrpull- | the only thing stupid is using gentoo on a server |
| 20:47.07 | nick125 | levi: if you know how to use a gentoo box, it will be quite reliable |
| 20:47.45 | mrpull- | nick125: what are your qualifications that make you think you can educate levi? |
| 20:47.58 | levi | nick125: If you say so. My experience tells me that reliability is born from extensive testing, and I believe the extensive customization of gentoo makes that impossible. |
| 20:48.19 | levi | This is not to say that gentoo will be bad for running your home hobby server. |
| 20:48.39 | nick125 | ive had gnetoo boxes run for months and months and months with no problems.. |
| 20:49.08 | levi | But if you intend to get a job as a sysadmin in the real world, your gentoo skills will not likely be of much use, aside from those that are general to all versions of Linux. |
| 20:49.11 | mrpull- | nick125: i've had windows 98 boxes run months and months... |
| 20:50.52 | levi | nick125: Your personal experiences are irrelevant. A sample size of one is not statistically significant. |
| 20:51.17 | maquis | levi: i've had no more problems with gentoo than with other distros |
| 20:51.21 | nick125 | if you know how to use a OS, you can use it well.. |
| 20:51.29 | nick125 | just like people are on windows.. |
| 20:51.39 | nick125 | if they know how to run it, they can run it just as good as a linux box |
| 20:51.41 | nick125 | etc |
| 20:51.44 | levi | Gentoo does a fairly good job of managing the complexity of making bleeding-edge software packages work together. |
| 20:52.05 | levi | nick125: This has nothing to do with 'using it well'. You're completely missing my point. |
| 20:53.08 | nick125 | im saying, if they know how to use it, it can be just as reliable such as a RHEL box |
| 20:53.34 | levi | nick125: And what evidence do you have to support that assertion? |
| 20:53.49 | levi | (hint: "my gentoo box doesn't crash" is not evidence.) |
| 20:54.28 | nick125 | ive ran several gentoo boxes with no problems, just as well as CentOS and Debian boxes I've worked on |
| 20:55.51 | Uncle_Jesse | The main advantage RHEL has over all the others is a stable, profitable corporation standing behind it that has investors it has to satisfy to succeed |
| 20:56.06 | nick125 | true |
| 20:56.09 | Uncle_Jesse | If they don't provide stable, reliable software, they are out of business |
| 20:56.20 | Uncle_Jesse | Most of the others don't have that pressure |
| 20:56.23 | levi | RHEL does extensive testing on their distribution, and it gets used in high-demand environments. |
| 20:56.33 | Uncle_Jesse | Just don't tell RMS what I said ;-) |
| 20:56.44 | mrpull- | nick125: how do you feel gentoo compares to hpux or solaris? especially with respect to running commercial software (ie openview, oracle, etc)? |
| 20:57.10 | nick125 | never used hpux or solaris..im talking about linux here.. |
| 20:57.25 | levi | Gentoo has design goals that conflict with properties of server OSes, such as stability, reliability, reproducability of behavior, etc. |
| 20:57.46 | Uncle_Jesse | hpux and solaris are so '90s ;-) |
| 20:58.12 | levi | Yeah, but you can run your datacenter on them and feel somewhat safe. :) |
| 20:58.21 | Uncle_Jesse | and pay through the nose for it |
| 20:58.45 | Uncle_Jesse | RHEL is cheap, secure, and reliable |
| 20:58.51 | levi | Better than paying out the other end when your essential server goes down and you lose revenue. |
| 20:58.57 | findlay | CentOS is even cheaper (: |
| 20:59.04 | Uncle_Jesse | M$ is all those, with the exception of secure |
| 20:59.20 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: HP makes Intel machines as well |
| 20:59.35 | levi | Anyway, RHEL aims to be more like HPUX and Solaris than it does Gentoo, which is a good thing for a server OS. |
| 20:59.41 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 21:00.06 | nick125 | lets just drop it at this: its really personal preference |
| 21:00.16 | levi | nick125: No, it's not! That's my point! |
| 21:00.22 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: It's a business preference, not even personal |
| 21:01.07 | levi | There's a quantifiable quanity that a server-grade OS has that a Gentoo system can never have, simply due to the customization aspect of Gentoo. |
| 21:01.18 | nick125 | just because you have a major company behind it, does that mean its more reliable then another OS? |
| 21:01.20 | levi | (heh, quantifiable quantity) |
| 21:01.41 | levi | nick125: No, it's because it's got a single, highly-tested configuration. |
| 21:01.48 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: one with years and investors to back it up, yes |
| 21:01.52 | nick125 | windows has a huge company behind it. does that mean its good? |
| 21:02.25 | levi | nick125: We're not discussing Windows, and you're again avoiding the essential issue. |
| 21:02.31 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: It is good in many aspects - we're talking apples and oranges here though |
| 21:02.55 | levi | nick125: There's no canonical configuration for a Gentoo system, therefore there can be no systematic testing of it. |
| 21:03.01 | nick125 | im making the point of, just becahse RHEL has Redhat behind it doesn't mean its great in every way.. |
| 21:03.29 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: it means it's good for business - maybe not for personal use, but at least for business |
| 21:03.36 | dataw0lf | Definitely for business. |
| 21:03.55 | dataw0lf | You need a reliable company behind any business orientated OS. |
| 21:03.59 | levi | The fact that there's a business and money behind it means that they have the resources to perform the kind of testing and validation that I'm talking about. |
| 21:04.05 | dataw0lf | If just for support purposes. |
| 21:04.53 | nick125 | debian isnt good for business. it doesnt have any company behind it, nor really any configuration system, so it shouldnt be used on servers. BUT IT IS |
| 21:05.13 | levi | It wouldn't matter if the resources came from a business, a government grant, or some organization of hackers with explicit guidelines. |
| 21:05.14 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: plus the investors behind it give motivation to that company to make sure it is tested and reliable |
| 21:05.22 | RyanE | nothing wrong with running Gentoo on *a server*. The point is that if it's not just *a server*, but a company server, something not so bleeding edge and much better tested is adviseable. |
| 21:05.24 | dataw0lf | Debian's policy is much different than Gentoo's. It's policy lends itself toward stability. |
| 21:05.37 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: I would definitely prefer RHEL in a large corporate environment than Debian |
| 21:05.42 | dataw0lf | But it still isn't in the realm of RHEL or other business orientated OSes. |
| 21:05.42 | sjansen | nick125: Not going to argue there. No right thinking person would ever use Debian. |
| 21:05.46 | RyanE | gentoo == bleeding edge compiled from latest source. |
| 21:05.50 | levi | RyanE: This goes back to my second statement, clarifying my definition of a server. |
| 21:05.59 | RyanE | RHEL == tested, stable packages |
| 21:06.13 | sjansen | Debian may not be the source of all evil, but it's got a nice cottage industry going. |
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| 21:06.25 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: lol |
| 21:06.34 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:06.39 | dataw0lf | oh god. |
| 21:06.44 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't know of any large corporate environments using Debian - anyone? |
| 21:06.52 | dataw0lf | I do. |
| 21:06.54 | RyanE | you could also run your server on CVS daily builds of Apache, PHP / Language of choice, but it's not too bright. |
| 21:06.58 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: who |
| 21:07.40 | maquis | if large corporate environments use rh7.2, i'm sure there are plenty who run debian |
| 21:07.41 | sjansen | See what I mean? Debian made dataw0lf profane again. |
| 21:07.51 | sjansen | Debian is obviously EVIL!!!11!!! |
| 21:08.06 | nick125 | debian made me go insane ^_^ |
| 21:08.20 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: they run rh7.2 becuase there was still an organization behind it. |
| 21:08.22 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: BEaerospace |
| 21:08.31 | sjansen | Debian is a Micro$oft conspiracy to destroy Linux! You wouldn't want to contribute to that, now would you?! Would you? |
| 21:08.33 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: but it's old and painful! |
| 21:08.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I would also be willing to bet those still on 7.2 weren't so large when they implemented it |
| 21:09.04 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: My company and it's affiliates who're growing rather rapidly, too. |
| 21:09.05 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: how many employees does BEaerospace have? |
| 21:09.13 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: how old is 7.2? 5 years? |
| 21:09.20 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: Conservative estimate? 5k+ |
| 21:09.22 | findlay | 7 |
| 21:09.36 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: Linux and many companies that use it were still young back then |
| 21:09.37 | findlay | no, 5 is probably right |
| 21:09.46 | mrpull- | back to my question: nick125: what are your qualifications that make you think you can educate levi (or the rest of us)? |
| 21:10.00 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Although it doesn't centralized commercial support, all indications are that Debian is the top three for production enterprise Linux distros. |
| 21:10.00 | tene | mrpull-: "it works for him" of course |
| 21:10.26 | sjansen | Of course, Debian tends to be brought in by knowledgeable engineers instead of management. |
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| 21:10.58 | dataw0lf | You usually find Debian in corporate environs where the engineers are given more sway than is usual. |
| 21:11.02 | dataw0lf | sjansen: right. |
| 21:11.08 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.09 | mrpull- | heh... i'll stop piling on. best tool for the job. |
| 21:11.32 | sjansen | But that doesn't change the fact the DEBIAN IS EVIL AND MUST BE STOPPED BEFORE IT KILLS MORE KITTENS!!! |
| 21:11.49 | findlay | I think LFS is the distro of choice for any type or size of deployment |
| 21:11.56 | nick125 | findlay: haha |
| 21:12.02 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:12.17 | nick125 | findlay: interesting choice |
| 21:12.24 | nick125 | have you tried doing a LFS deploymen |
| 21:12.27 | nick125 | have you tried doing a LFS deployment? |
| 21:13.03 | nick125 | Uncle_Jesse: wheres python in that argument? |
| 21:13.19 | findlay | I've admired LFS from their webpage before |
| 21:13.22 | dataw0lf | oh no. |
| 21:13.28 | dataw0lf | nick125 isn't Ellis is he? |
| 21:13.44 | nick125 | no.. |
| 21:13.49 | dataw0lf | whew. |
| 21:13.52 | findlay | whatever pythons can eat java beans |
| 21:13.52 | dataw0lf | Proceed. |
| 21:13.57 | maquis | good |
| 21:13.58 | findlay | and perls |
| 21:14.11 | dataw0lf | omgz java beans would totally poison a python |
| 21:14.27 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:14.30 | nick125 | but i hope the python would be smart enough not to eat the java beans |
| 21:14.54 | Uncle_Jesse | nick125: what's python? |
| 21:14.55 | Uncle_Jesse | ;-) |
| 21:15.06 | dataw0lf | whoa. |
| 21:15.18 | Uncle_Jesse | I hear there's a lot of "dead air" in python |
| 21:15.19 | dataw0lf | lets drink some cocoa |
| 21:15.23 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: It's that other language you've never needed because Perl is Good Enough(tm). |
| 21:15.26 | Uncle_Jesse | mmm...cocoa |
| 21:15.36 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: maybe that's it |
| 21:15.51 | sjansen | I hear Python's EAT KITTENS! |
| 21:16.04 | findlay | with pydietary_supplement you can get your python to digest java beans, perls, rubies, anything. |
| 21:16.06 | dataw0lf | sjansen: ... For Anything Less Than 100 Lines (tm) |
| 21:16.08 | tene | ~python maquis |
| 21:16.31 | maquis | ~java tene |
| 21:16.52 | tene | ibot: python $person is <action> sends a jittery python to attack $person. |
| 21:16.54 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 21:16.56 | tene | ~python maquis |
| 21:16.58 | ibot | ACTION sends a jittery python to attack maquis. |
| 21:17.18 | maquis | ~drool on tene |
| 21:17.19 | ibot | ACTION duct tapes tene to the floor and drools on him |
| 21:17.42 | tene | ~food |
| 21:17.44 | ibot | hmm... food is essential to life |
| 21:17.57 | sjansen | Hmmmmmmmmm, strawberries. |
| 21:18.06 | maquis | !food |
| 21:18.13 | tene | ~strawberry |
| 21:18.24 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: ??/ |
| 21:18.28 | findlay | ~pyfood |
| 21:19.10 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: ?? |
| 21:19.52 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: you didn't get me food! |
| 21:20.53 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: had to turn it off - coworkers were getting annoyed with it in our work irc |
| 21:21.08 | Uncle_Jesse | I might fix the code to not work there though and turn it back on |
| 21:21.08 | maquis | :( |
| 21:21.24 | Uncle_Jesse | either that or I'll set up another screen session |
| 21:21.29 | maquis | :) |
| 21:21.38 | tene | what's this? |
| 21:21.44 | maquis | i think it's just funny that you're a person and a bot at the same time! :) |
| 21:21.59 | maquis | tene: Uncle_Jesse's a bot |
| 21:22.01 | maquis | really good bot |
| 21:22.08 | maquis | better than eliza |
| 21:22.27 | findlay | because he's written in python |
| 21:22.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I should set up perlbot in here some time |
| 21:22.37 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: nope - written in Perl |
| 21:22.55 | findlay | pyruby.pl.class |
| 21:23.00 | maquis | pearl is a woman's second-best friend... or something like that |
| 21:23.19 | *** part/#utah herlo (n=csavage@198.252.209.97) |
| 21:23.26 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:23.42 | maquis | ~mock sjansen |
| 21:23.43 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 21:23.53 | sjansen | One guess what my boss got "his wife" for valentines. Hint: Jayce^ will love the idea. |
| 21:24.05 | maquis | a gun? |
| 21:24.31 | maquis | (first thing that came to mind when you mentioned Jayce^) |
| 21:24.47 | sjansen | Specifically, a shotgun. |
| 21:25.52 | maquis | better hope she's not offended with it... that could certainly get ugly |
| 21:26.26 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@128.123.130.183) |
| 21:27.43 | nick125 | sjansen: so whos gonna be your new boss? |
| 21:27.48 | *** join/#utah JoshH (i=josh@josh.xmission.com) |
| 21:28.47 | maquis | hmmm... looks like people aren't liking us today.. first elg, then JoshH |
| 21:30.51 | sjansen | Yup, I showered this week. |
| 21:30.58 | maquis | ?? |
| 21:31.03 | sjansen | Must be someone else. |
| 21:31.07 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:31.09 | maquis | ah |
| 21:31.16 | nick125 | nope, not me |
| 21:31.19 | maquis | not me |
| 21:31.32 | tene | ~lart maquis |
| 21:32.27 | tene | :( |
| 21:32.41 | tene | that wasn't very friendly. |
| 21:40.00 | goozbach | he he |
| 21:40.03 | goozbach | woot! |
| 21:40.08 | goozbach | done with class today |
| 21:40.10 | goozbach | wahoo |
| 21:40.13 | maquis | goozbach: nice |
| 21:41.02 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:41.09 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:41.12 | sjansen | ~lart florida |
| 21:41.29 | goozbach | hey don't do that |
| 21:41.33 | goozbach | I like it here |
| 21:41.37 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:41.40 | sjansen | Ha! Let's see how well your date goes after eating 150lbs of donuts! |
| 21:42.10 | goozbach | sjansen: you know me, i could use the extra weight |
| 21:42.26 | goozbach | I'll just drink more caffiene |
| 21:44.15 | maquis | "tale as old as time..... |
| 21:44.22 | maquis | true as it can be.... |
| 21:44.26 | maquis | o/~ |
| 21:45.15 | *** join/#utah mheath (n=mheath@c-24-2-81-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:46.45 | sjansen | Earlier today my boss dropped off and open box of chocolates at my desk. Bored, I started picking through them to see if any good ones were left. It wasn't until the third that I realized the labels weren't in English. |
| 21:47.00 | maquis | sjansen: what language were they in? |
| 21:47.22 | mheath | when did google release a "View as HTML" for .doc gmail attatchments? |
| 21:47.31 | maquis | mheath: at least 2 weeks ago |
| 21:47.36 | mheath | Hehe, I could understand something like italian, or spanish. A few mistakes on something like chocolate.... |
| 21:47.42 | mheath | But I'm going to laugh if he says Japanese |
| 21:47.54 | mheath | Yah! A POM with some useful information in it! |
| 21:47.57 | mheath | This is new =p |
| 21:47.59 | mheath | =P |
| 21:48.00 | sjansen | portugues |
| 21:48.04 | maquis | o/~ no one to tell us "no" or where to go, or say we're only dreaming" |
| 21:48.07 | maquis | o/~ |
| 21:48.29 | maquis | sjansen: ah... that explains it |
| 21:49.13 | sjansen | What, you're just listening to Disney music? Well shoot, I thought you'd found a new and creative way to insult goozbach. |
| 21:49.34 | maquis | sjansen: i just like disney music |
| 21:49.37 | mheath | O.o |
| 21:50.17 | mheath | Yeah. If you like Generic music spewed out by a barely-credited composer.... |
| 21:50.37 | sjansen | Bah, I prefer to continue believing that you were comparing goozbach to the beast. |
| 21:50.41 | maquis | ~lart mheath for not appreciating good disney music |
| 21:50.52 | maquis | ibot: *bad lart* |
| 21:51.10 | *** join/#utah JoshH (i=josh@josh.xmission.com) |
| 21:51.15 | maquis | sjansen: well... youdo have a good point with that... |
| 21:51.23 | goozbach | hey! |
| 21:51.31 | maquis | unfortunately, that would involve falling in love with him... |
| 21:51.44 | maquis | so, i'll leave that interpretation out... |
| 21:51.56 | goozbach | wah? |
| 21:52.12 | sjansen | No, no, you could be referring to his (alleged) date. |
| 21:52.17 | goozbach | are you comparing me to the beast? |
| 21:52.24 | maquis | sjansen: oh... i guess that might work |
| 21:52.25 | goozbach | alleged? |
| 21:52.31 | goozbach | what! |
| 21:52.35 | mheath | Congratulations to the following personnel who received the following advancements and awards at January Drill: |
| 21:52.36 | sjansen | maquis: Although that does leave you as a matronly old tea pot... |
| 21:52.49 | maquis | sjansen: well... i'd take that over the alternative... |
| 21:52.52 | maquis | can i be chip? |
| 21:52.57 | mheath | Michael Heath - Advanced to E-3, First Year Ribbon, Recruiting Duty Appurtenance |
| 21:53.03 | goozbach | what, you couldn't find yourself in love with me? |
| 21:53.10 | goozbach | *sniff* |
| 21:53.25 | maquis | goozbach: sorry... not my type... :( |
| 21:53.27 | sjansen | goozbach: Not to be mean, but _I_ couldn't either. |
| 21:54.09 | goozbach | oh wait... |
| 21:54.23 | goozbach | I've got a DATE on wed. |
| 21:54.36 | maquis | goozbach: and you'll have fun on it :) |
| 21:54.38 | sjansen | Sorry, man, you've just got too many chromosomes for me. |
| 21:54.47 | mheath | goozbach, meh. Good luck. |
| 21:54.50 | goozbach | sjansen: i understand |
| 21:55.04 | goozbach | just so you know the feeling is mutual |
| 21:55.05 | maquis | sjansen: you prefer dating things with fewer chromosomes? |
| 21:55.24 | goozbach | methinks he means fewer different types of cromosones |
| 21:55.40 | maquis | goozbach: maybe.. but that's not what he said... which is really worrisome! |
| 21:56.22 | sjansen | Bother, I realized that just after hitting enter. Was hoping no one else would. |
| 21:56.44 | maquis | sjansen: it's irc... we always notice those things |
| 21:56.51 | goozbach | ok I |
| 21:57.01 | goozbach | 'm gonna pass up the chance at that shot |
| 21:57.14 | goozbach | cause it would have been mean |
| 21:58.10 | findlay | my keyboard has two <enter> keys |
| 21:59.08 | maquis | findlay: are you including the one on the number pad? |
| 21:59.33 | findlay | does that double the probability that I will hit <enter> after typing something dumb? |
| 21:59.41 | maquis | findlay: indubitably |
| 22:00.12 | goozbach | I find that I always hit enter after typing something dumb |
| 22:00.23 | maquis | true... |
| 22:00.40 | maquis | so, that'll increase your chances of doing it from 100% to 200%... which... yeha |
| 22:01.07 | sjansen | Yeeeehaaaaaaa! |
| 22:01.29 | findlay | ha |
| 22:01.36 | maquis | sjansen: exactly |
| 22:01.55 | goozbach | so how long has this "extreme programming" thing been a fad? |
| 22:02.08 | goozbach | and why haven't I heard of it till today? |
| 22:02.24 | goozbach | and what exactly is a marmamuke? |
| 22:02.44 | maquis | goozbach: you hadn't heard of extreme programming? |
| 22:02.55 | goozbach | not till today |
| 22:02.59 | maquis | ~wiki marmamuke |
| 22:03.01 | levi | Wow. |
| 22:03.01 | sjansen | wow |
| 22:03.06 | sjansen | Jinx! |
| 22:03.09 | goozbach | I've done it quite a bit |
| 22:03.11 | maquis | ~dict marmamuke |
| 22:03.27 | goozbach | just never knew what it was called. |
| 22:03.44 | levi | http://www.extremeprogramming.org/ |
| 22:03.45 | goozbach | and I made up the word marmamuke |
| 22:03.46 | brac | [Extreme Programming: A Gentle Introduction.] |
| 22:03.59 | maquis | goozbach: well... there is one hit on google for marmamuke |
| 22:04.06 | maquis | there's a ton for marmaduke, though |
| 22:04.48 | findlay | after googlebot crawls over ibot's ejected entrails tomorrow, there will be some more hits |
| 22:05.00 | sjansen | Rahroh, shaggy. |
| 22:06.04 | sjansen | s/Rahroh, shaggy./Ruh roh, Shaggy!/ |
| 22:07.44 | goozbach | shouldn't that be "raggy" |
| 22:09.16 | sjansen | Hear ye! Hear ye! maquis has started to think! |
| 22:11.01 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@dhcp25.cs.nmsu.edu) |
| 22:12.24 | findlay | better than I can do |
| 22:23.59 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=csavage@12.169.224.55) |
| 22:24.10 | findlay | ~lart veresign |
| 22:24.21 | findlay | ~lart verisign too |
| 22:29.14 | maquis | http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,70168-0.html?tw=rss.index |
| 22:29.15 | brac | [Wired News: Spinning Suspicious Searches] |
| 22:31.40 | goozbach | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/7c30/ |
| 22:31.42 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Shower Shock Caffeine Soap Travel] |
| 22:31.46 | goozbach | WAHOO!!!!!! |
| 22:34.04 | findlay | ~lart goozbach for going home before findlay |
| 22:34.36 | goozbach | findlay: tis 5:30 here |
| 22:34.50 | goozbach | I've been at it longer |
| 22:51.38 | emcnabb | goozbach: I thought Florida was supposed to be warm? |
| 22:56.18 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 22:56.41 | harleypig | http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/~rdivecha/archives/2006/02/the_world_of_sm.html |
| 22:56.52 | harleypig | If this has been posted here already, I apologize ... |
| 22:56.57 | harleypig | multi-touch screens |
| 23:02.19 | dataw0lf | marmaduke? |
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| 23:04.44 | findlay | ~lart verisign again for good measure |
| 23:19.23 | *** join/#utah flyboy^ (n=flyboy@ded1005.west-datacenter.net) |
| 23:19.30 | flyboy^ | Hi all. |
| 23:45.50 | findlay | ibot: thanks |
| 23:45.50 | ibot | no problem, findlay |
| 23:55.11 | Uncle_Jesse | TimRiker: is there anyway in blootbot to issue a definition containing results of a command? |
| 23:55.21 | Uncle_Jesse | aka "test is ~google test" |
| 23:55.40 | tensai | ibot: literal test |
| 23:55.42 | ibot | "test" is "<reply> Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! || <reply> Test Passed! || <reply> Test Failed!" |
| 23:55.51 | tensai | ~test |
| 23:55.53 | ibot | Test Failed! |
| 23:55.57 | tensai | ~factinfo test |
| 23:55.57 | ibot | test -- last modified at Mon May 23 22:54:31 2005 by TimRiker!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 178 times, last by tensai, 4s ago. |
| 23:56.07 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: how's that? |
| 23:56.13 | sjansen | ~factinfo tensai |
| 23:56.13 | ibot | tensai -- it has been requested 15 times, last by maquis at Mon Jan 16 10:55:02 2006; it has been locked by tensai. |
| 23:56.31 | sjansen | tensai: I think he wants nest commands. |
| 23:56.51 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: no - I want another definition to be able to be within a definition |
| 23:56.54 | tensai | hmm |
| 23:56.57 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: exactly |
| 23:57.05 | tensai | ibot: foobar is see foo |
| 23:57.07 | ibot | ...but foobar is already something else... |
| 23:57.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm tempted to alter the code to allow it |
| 23:57.18 | tensai | ibot: foo2 is see foo |
| 23:57.19 | ibot | ...but foo2 is already something else... |
| 23:57.21 | Uncle_Jesse | but wanted to make sure it wasn't already possible |
| 23:57.24 | tensai | ibot: foo20 is see foo |
| 23:57.25 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 23:57.28 | tensai | ~foo20 |
| 23:57.29 | ibot | i heard foo20 is see foo |
| 23:57.35 | tensai | ibot: foo20 is @see foo |
| 23:57.37 | ibot | ...but foo20 is already something else... |
| 23:57.40 | tensai | ibot: no, foo20 is @see foo |
| 23:57.41 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 23:57.44 | tensai | ~foo20 |
| 23:57.45 | ibot | i guess foo20 is @see foo |
| 23:57.47 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm going to add a bunch of cool tools here soon I think |
| 23:57.55 | maquis | ~tensai |
| 23:57.56 | ibot | tensai is probably a large smoked salmon |
| 23:58.04 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: there is a way, but I can't seem to figure it out |
| 23:58.52 | TimRiker | ibot: no, foo20 is <reply> see foo |
| 23:58.53 | ibot | okay, TimRiker |
| 23:58.56 | TimRiker | ~foo20 |
| 23:58.58 | ibot | bar |
| 23:58.58 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: let me know if you figure it out |
| 23:59.11 | maquis | -lart TimRiker |
| 23:59.16 | tensai | maquis: ha! what if I'm a farm raised atlantic salmon from chile, color added? |
| 23:59.27 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: yeah, there you go |
| 23:59.42 | Uncle_Jesse | TimRiker: awesome - thx |
| 23:59.51 | tensai | ~forget foo20 |