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| 00:07.17 | Uncle_Jesse | isn't she the one that's the daughter of the famous singer? |
| 00:07.27 | Uncle_Jesse | if so - she's my prediction to be top 2 |
| 00:07.39 | Uncle_Jesse | I can never predict the full winner, but I'm usually right on top 2 |
| 00:13.25 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: are you a bot? |
| 00:13.40 | findlay | darn, out of context |
| 00:13.57 | findlay | wasn't all the way paged down (: |
| 00:14.33 | findlay | google talk is integrated into gmail now |
| 00:14.40 | findlay | but you have to log out and in again |
| 00:15.48 | scottj | I think it's only available to some gmail users |
| 00:16.12 | xbmodder | Why are customers so hard to find? |
| 00:16.14 | maquis | findlay: in the information about the chat logs, it says that you can opt out of logging, even if the person you're talking to is logging |
| 00:16.15 | findlay | scottj: do you have a gmail address? |
| 00:16.21 | scottj | yeah |
| 00:16.33 | findlay | does it show up for you? |
| 00:16.36 | scottj | nope |
| 00:16.41 | scottj | shows the chats thing for archives |
| 00:16.42 | maquis | i was wondering how to do that in gaim |
| 00:17.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Use google talk? It's just jabber |
| 00:17.10 | scottj | findlay: it was my impression that for some there's a contacts list ont eh side |
| 00:17.17 | tene | maquis: it's logged server-side |
| 00:17.31 | findlay | scottj: yeah, the contacts box is modified |
| 00:17.38 | maquis | tene: yes... i know |
| 00:17.50 | maquis | i want to know how to opt out of their server-side logging |
| 00:19.31 | tene | maquis: do it in the gmail web interface |
| 00:19.46 | findlay | oooh, there's also some fancy ajax popup goodies |
| 00:19.59 | maquis | tene: you can only do one-way opt-out from what i can tell |
| 00:20.35 | findlay | maquis: afraid of what you might say in a tired late night chat? |
| 00:20.38 | maquis | (as you're chatting with someone, you can go "Off the Record" if you don't want them to save their chat history either.) |
| 00:20.39 | findlay | (: |
| 00:20.56 | maquis | findlay: i'm just becoming less and less trustful of google as of late... |
| 00:21.00 | findlay | maquis: I don't think that can really work |
| 00:21.20 | maquis | the amount of information that they store about people is kinda interesting |
| 00:22.14 | maquis | To take a chat off the record: |
| 00:22.14 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.16 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.23 | maquis | but can you do that in gaim? |
| 00:23.06 | maquis | but doesn't want it on google's servers |
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| 00:44.04 | maquis | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=238 time=344.994 ms |
| 00:49.13 | maquis | ~lart comcast |
| 00:50.15 | xbmodder_lappy | 64 bytes from 64.233.187.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=107 ms |
| 00:50.34 | xbmodder_lappy | Host 99.187.233.64.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:50.44 | xbmodder_lappy | They don't have a PTR?! |
| 00:50.45 | maquis | it just took > 35 seconds to load the comcast website |
| 00:50.55 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 01:03.52 | ScytheBlade1 | which one? |
| 01:05.21 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: comcast.com |
| 01:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Loads in about two for me |
| 01:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Granted, I'm on comcast, but hey |
| 01:06.35 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i'm on comcast as well |
| 01:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of my 9th grade world science teacher |
| 01:06.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Who wanted to rig out her jeep with as massive sound system, and then blast the neighbors... with bird noises |
| 01:08.06 | maquis | "If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door." |
| 01:08.07 | nick125 | ~lart Speakeasy |
| 01:08.08 | nick125 | :D |
| 01:08.11 | xbmodder_lappy | I would love to run a sniffer on the sonic.net servers. |
| 01:08.22 | xbmodder_lappy | I just say a guy re-encoding porn on there |
| 01:08.37 | xbmodder_lappy | s/say/saw/ |
| 01:09.03 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.45 | nick125 | i just got a 3 page invoice from them too.. |
| 01:10.55 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 01:11.10 | nick125 | and they havent responded to my BBB complaint |
| 01:11.14 | nick125 | :/ |
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| 01:11.30 | xbmodder_lappy | They told be they weren't a heartless company and I believe them! |
| 01:11.40 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf... this isn't good.. |
| 01:11.43 | nick125 | LOL |
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| 01:14.37 | xbmodder_lappy | How did Xmission hit it big? |
| 01:16.18 | elg | hit what big? |
| 01:16.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Over here in Utah, they got onto the big fiber project |
| 01:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | "Qwest and Comcast will build that network for us" |
| 01:17.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, they will all right, then they'll charge 40x more |
| 01:17.43 | elg | sweet, xmission is now offering domain registration |
| 01:21.33 | emcnabb | my faith in Linux and Free/OSS has been shaken recently |
| 01:21.58 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, what happened? |
| 01:22.33 | emcnabb | oh, I've just realized how there are so many areas where "Linux" is way behind |
| 01:22.58 | goozbach | expain |
| 01:23.02 | emcnabb | and I've once again realized the learning curve for Linux is still too high (in most cases) |
| 01:23.05 | emcnabb | goozbach: ok |
| 01:23.25 | elg | emcnabb: don't fret it. it's too high in windows too |
| 01:23.35 | emcnabb | example: what OSS solution will replace an Exchange server for 10,000 users? |
| 01:23.46 | elg | that's not a learning curve issue. :) |
| 01:24.02 | emcnabb | well, that example was not about learning curves :-) |
| 01:24.22 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, we've passed Mac OS x. |
| 01:24.31 | elg | taking over the world takes work. but rest assured that when linux does have something, it will be so completely and obviously better (and freer) |
| 01:24.58 | xbmodder_lappy | I crashed my teacher mac. I inserted my USB key, and it just crashed |
| 01:24.59 | emcnabb | but how do you convince the rest of the world that knows the ins and outs of the "bad" way to jump ship |
| 01:25.18 | elg | you don't |
| 01:25.23 | elg | they have to want to |
| 01:25.36 | nick125 | i need to move my server back to gentoo... |
| 01:25.37 | emcnabb | the problem with MS is they create an integrated, seamless environment (in theory) |
| 01:25.46 | elg | so the best thing to do is make it easy to see how linux is better. whether they see it or act on it is something we can't do |
| 01:25.52 | emcnabb | elg: but what will convince them of that? |
| 01:25.55 | emcnabb | example: |
| 01:26.04 | elg | for a lot of people, nothing |
| 01:26.19 | xbmodder_lappy | Why do you have to stay on hold for an hour to get your line disconnected with speakeasy? |
| 01:26.29 | elg | you just have to accept it: most people of this generation will never use anything but windows |
| 01:26.39 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: maybe its so you'll get fed up and not cancel it |
| 01:27.25 | elg | or if they do they'll be grumpy about it |
| 01:27.26 | maquis | i agree that linux isn't going to take over the world yet... it's not ready yet |
| 01:27.29 | xbmodder_lappy | I wish SBC would stop |
| 01:27.33 | elg | I still know people who are grumpy about movingt o windows from dos |
| 01:27.42 | elg | and I still know people that are grumpy about X-windows too. ;-) |
| 01:27.43 | emcnabb | you want to create a centralized authentication server that does what Active Directory does? what are the solutions? hack together OpenLDAP, kerberos, and Samba? |
| 01:27.44 | maquis | but i'm glad we have it, because i find that i can work better on it |
| 01:27.45 | xbmodder_lappy | SBC-ATT should support Linux |
| 01:27.47 | nick125 | wewt i made $4.70 in adsense today :D:D:D:D |
| 01:28.05 | emcnabb | most people would rather pay more and use the "integrated" solution |
| 01:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, yup. |
| 01:28.14 | emcnabb | yeah, I know, Samba 4 will do that somewhat |
| 01:28.20 | emcnabb | but to me it's still vaporware |
| 01:28.23 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, I've setup Win2k/2k3 domains, and I can attest to it's slick setup |
| 01:28.40 | elg | there's lots of proprietary vaporware too. what's your point? |
| 01:29.02 | emcnabb | I love Linux, and it does very well in many areas, but it's way off in others |
| 01:29.06 | emcnabb | another example: |
| 01:29.10 | nick125 | mmm...*debates between using lighttpd and apache on his new gentoo setup* |
| 01:29.20 | xbmodder_lappy | lighttpd |
| 01:29.30 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, my apache server was getting hammered remember? |
| 01:29.30 | emcnabb | elg: my point is AD does it now |
| 01:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | On top of that, it does it *well* |
| 01:29.44 | elg | sure |
| 01:29.57 | maquis | emcnabb: that's true, but does that mean we shouldn't work to get linux to do it? |
| 01:30.12 | elg | and for everything you point out that microsoft can do well, I point out something that linux can do well. so they're not the same things... |
| 01:30.30 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: mmm true |
| 01:30.42 | emcnabb | there are MANY systems in this organization that could be replaced with OSS solutions, but none of them support authenticating off of the companies AD server |
| 01:30.52 | emcnabb | elg: I agree |
| 01:31.14 | elg | it would be nice if linux overtook everything, and maybe it will some day |
| 01:31.16 | elg | s/linux/oss/ |
| 01:31.29 | emcnabb | it's just frustrating to see how a fault in one area causes it to not be accepted in another |
| 01:31.40 | emcnabb | elg: I guess I just don |
| 01:31.57 | emcnabb | t see that happening soon |
| 01:32.01 | maquis | emcnabb: i think that what that means overall is that we just need to identify and resolve those areas that are preventing things from happining? |
| 01:32.05 | elg | nor do I. |
| 01:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't either |
| 01:32.22 | elg | we'll keep improving, yes. |
| 01:32.24 | maquis | at least then, we can continue rolling forward |
| 01:32.27 | emcnabb | Linux is becoming the "one Unix to rule them all", but it's not surplanting MS |
| 01:33.02 | emcnabb | maquis: but how much people power would it take to make a solution like Exchange, AD, etc? |
| 01:33.13 | maquis | emcnabb: a lot, sure... |
| 01:33.16 | emcnabb | we're always playing catchup |
| 01:33.17 | elg | people who reject all oss solutions because oss can't do anything are simply stupid |
| 01:33.25 | elg | er, I meant oss can't do everything |
| 01:33.26 | maquis | emcnabb: then, maybe we shouldn't... |
| 01:33.43 | maquis | maybe we should come up with the next thing before anyone else does.... |
| 01:33.47 | emcnabb | elg: yeah, but if it doesn't integrate into your current system, why not pay a bit for a solution that does? |
| 01:33.52 | elg | we should just be what we are and be the best we can at what we are |
| 01:34.39 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is, elg, is that isn't good enough as-is for a lot of people |
| 01:34.53 | maquis | if we're failing at catchup, then maybe we need to take a different route... and go for the people who don't already have everything set up in windows with AD and such |
| 01:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | The problem with that, is we'd essentially be locking the AD people out completly |
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| 01:36.11 | emcnabb | maquis: as a person who visits companies all over the country, every week, I can tell you that there aren't many people left |
| 01:36.17 | emcnabb | everyone uses outlook |
| 01:36.29 | maquis | emcnabb: true... but there's always new companies starting up, right? |
| 01:37.09 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 01:37.21 | xbmodder_lappy | my dad's company was being forces to use outlook. |
| 01:37.22 | elg | emcnabb: you don't visit small companies, do you? |
| 01:37.42 | emcnabb | small companies don't want to spend a lot of money on solutions, but they don't want to spend a mammoth load of time creating a patchwork of OSS |
| 01:37.47 | xbmodder_lappy | elg, remember emcnabb's company charges people thousands of dollars |
| 01:37.58 | xbmodder_lappy | to give a small course |
| 01:38.15 | emcnabb | elg: I tend to visit larger companies, but there are quite a few people from smaller businesses |
| 01:38.17 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, hence MS SBS Server 2003. Contains every MS product under the sun for about $1000. |
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| 01:38.41 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 01:38.46 | emcnabb | elg: I tend to visit larger companies, but there are quite a few people from smaller businesses |
| 01:38.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Thank god apple isn't that big in the server space |
| 01:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/product/server product/ |
| 01:39.35 | elg | emcnabb: small companies don't need mammoth patchwork |
| 01:39.37 | elg | small companies use XP Home |
| 01:39.42 | maquis | i think the reason that oss comes out as a patchwork is partly the unix philosophy where each program does one function and does it well |
| 01:39.43 | nick125 | i need a way to play around in xen...mmm |
| 01:39.45 | elg | small companies employ the majority of people, as I seem to remember |
| 01:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, true |
| 01:40.03 | emcnabb | yes, they do |
| 01:40.19 | elg | emcnabb: if you're determined to be pessimistic, that's cool |
| 01:40.29 | emcnabb | elg: I'm not |
| 01:40.35 | emcnabb | I'm rather upbeat |
| 01:40.54 | maquis | emcnabb: i don't blame you for thinking this way... i've had moments of looking at it that way... but generally, i end up deciding that it's not an unbeatable problem |
| 01:40.54 | emcnabb | but seeing how Windows centric the world is is getting to me :-) |
| 01:41.14 | xbmodder_lappy | ! |
| 01:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 01:41.33 | xbmodder_lappy | whats unicode \n |
| 01:41.33 | elg | so all I'm saying is no need to get depressed because oss isn't all things to all people |
| 01:41.58 | xbmodder_lappy | how can i make Uncle_Jesse say newline (not literally!) |
| 01:42.06 | elg | emcnabb: well, there's lots more things that are more depressing than windows-centricity about the world. :) |
| 01:42.13 | emcnabb | elg: haha, very true |
| 01:42.31 | maquis | :) |
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| 01:53.31 | emcnabb | elg ran away :-( |
| 01:53.40 | emcnabb | but he bravely ran away |
| 01:55.26 | nick125_ | lol |
| 01:55.39 | maquis | :) |
| 01:56.35 | nick125_ | xen should be fun |
| 01:56.53 | nick125_ | emcnabb: did you scare him off? |
| 01:56.57 | nick125_ | again.... |
| 01:56.59 | nick125_ | :P |
| 01:57.01 | emcnabb | probably not |
| 01:57.08 | emcnabb | he tends to come and go a lot :-) |
| 01:57.21 | nick125_ | lol |
| 01:58.00 | goozbach | I blame canada |
| 01:59.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Canada is a good thing to blame |
| 01:59.29 | nick125_ | (because i can :p) |
| 02:00.29 | maquis | nick125_: what did freebsd ever do to you? |
| 02:01.39 | nick125_ | it did evil things to my desktop |
| 02:02.11 | nick125_ | my desktop broke dependancies like...almost daily |
| 02:02.33 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucked. |
| 02:02.36 | xbmodder_lappy | really bad |
| 02:08.29 | goozbach | good tea! |
| 02:08.48 | nick125_ | oo where where |
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| 02:14.33 | emcnabb | elg: we missed you |
| 02:14.40 | nick125_ | :D |
| 02:15.04 | elg | i bet you discussed how to overthrow the fugal tyranny |
| 02:15.05 | elg | it won't work |
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| 02:16.03 | nick125_ | so yeah xbmodder_lappy, he sucks |
| 02:16.04 | nick125_ | woops |
| 02:16.37 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 02:16.42 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: so, how was your day? |
| 02:17.39 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 02:18.02 | xbmodder_lappy | Why do I have to be constantly being DDoSed |
| 02:18.09 | xbmodder_lappy | 350k incoming |
| 02:18.30 | nick125_ | who did you piss off this time? |
| 02:19.53 | xbmodder_lappy | lets see: #utah, #svlug, david adler, my teacher, my other teacher, and umm.. chris |
| 02:20.37 | goozbach | yeah stop messing with people |
| 02:20.40 | nick125_ | do you know the IP where the DDoS is coming with? |
| 02:20.41 | goozbach | put up or shut up |
| 02:20.43 | nick125_ | *from |
| 02:20.49 | nick125_ | s/with/from/ |
| 02:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | If it's *an* IP, it's just a DoS |
| 02:21.13 | elg | Bradipo: ok, so I finally got off my can and installed daemontools on my home box (for asterisk), but now I've used up my laziness antiquota so I'm setting up bind with it too, instead of maybe switching to djbdns. sorry. ;-) |
| 02:21.14 | nick125_ | yeah.. |
| 02:21.20 | nick125_ | the *IPs* |
| 02:21.37 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, yeah |
| 02:21.49 | xbmodder_lappy | david adler is just constantly pissed at me |
| 02:22.04 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: pm me the IPs |
| 02:22.06 | xbmodder_lappy | mainly because his girlfriend broke up with him, and he blames it on me |
| 02:22.20 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.30 | nick125_ | still |
| 02:25.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Google scares me |
| 02:25.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Recommended for xbmodder@gmail.com ยป Learn more |
| 02:25.24 | xbmodder_lappy | No, no, Nano |
| 02:25.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Chicago Tribune - 8 hours ago - Apple is the computer outfit that's all about simplicity and logic, if you believe its corps of cultists followers. ... |
| 02:25.25 | nick125_ | lol |
| 02:25.33 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 02:26.53 | xbmodder_lappy | Do you guys think the vonage IPO will fly? |
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| 03:04.34 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, hey |
| 03:08.57 | xbmodder_lappy | I was thinking that maybe if there were mutliple RFID tags within the seal and the firmware was 'unflashable' (seal the FLASH) |
| 03:09.05 | xbmodder_lappy | I love the weather here |
| 03:09.12 | xbmodder_lappy | 70 degrees |
| 03:09.13 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
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| 03:21.38 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone punjabi here? |
| 03:33.34 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.35 | brac | [Songbird] |
| 03:34.31 | goozbach | dspam 2, goozbach 0 |
| 03:34.40 | goozbach | and on that note I go to sleep |
| 03:34.47 | herlo | its just a preview (0.1) release |
| 03:34.54 | herlo | g'night goozbach |
| 03:35.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone know how to use CSS to set the colour of individual pixels |
| 03:35.35 | xbmodder_lappy | nighty night goozbach |
| 03:36.41 | herlo | pretty cool it is... Has shoutcast and Amazon music store, plus a couple themes. Simple, really, but a good start for a preview release |
| 03:37.43 | herlo | runs on windows, mac and linux because its based upon the gecko engine... |
| 03:43.36 | herlo | looks like they will have a version out sometime this summer that is supposed to be the first full release... |
| 03:52.21 | emcnabb | it snowed a bit here today |
| 03:52.38 | emcnabb | lots of people freaked out |
| 03:52.56 | emcnabb | i.e. they didn't know how to drive in it, so they canceled school, etc |
| 03:52.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Where is 'here'? |
| 03:53.02 | emcnabb | St. Louis |
| 03:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:53.13 | emcnabb | it snows several times a year, but the people don't get used to it |
| 03:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I remember driving through a canyon as a blizzard came down |
| 03:53.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Nearly ran into a car with california plates going about 10 |
| 03:53.57 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:11.32 | emcnabb | faultly logic of the day award goes to... |
| 04:11.38 | emcnabb | "Windows costs money... so it has the best technical support in the world. We could notice Windows Update, TechNet, MSDN, etc. " |
| 04:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, yeah, we need a grammar check on that last sentence, it made no sense at all |
| 04:12.55 | maquis | wha? |
| 04:13.05 | emcnabb | "FreeBSD: It has Ports. This is a great option to Update the OS and the Software, but... it's a bad idea because you must need to update ALL the software on you server because if you don't you will live a great DLL Hell Problem." |
| 04:13.22 | emcnabb | FreeBSD has DLLs? |
| 04:13.26 | emcnabb | am I missing something? |
| 04:14.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Upgrade package X that has .so dependancy Y, and isn't updated |
| 04:14.48 | emcnabb | I know |
| 04:14.55 | emcnabb | but DLL? |
| 04:15.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I know you know, but I've seen it applied to *nix in similar terms |
| 04:15.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Same concept, haha |
| 04:15.56 | emcnabb | I understand what he's saying, but it's obviously a Windows guy |
| 04:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Or he tried gentoo, and fails at it ;) |
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| 04:19.00 | emcnabb | night all |
| 04:19.09 | findlay | night already? |
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| 04:24.44 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:25.45 | xbmodder_lappy | Ok. I crashed one browser |
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| 05:01.39 | findlay | man, why doesn't portage use a DB backend? |
| 05:05.54 | xbmodder_lappy | it does... |
| 05:06.37 | xbmodder_lappy | Fhjewugfresf |
| 05:07.51 | flyboy^ | I never got gentoo. What is it that makes people so atracted to it? What did I miss? |
| 05:08.23 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: then why does it take forever to update the portage cache? |
| 05:10.00 | xbmodder_lappy | because its flat file DB |
| 05:10.22 | findlay | have you used gentoo much? |
| 05:13.07 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:13.11 | xbmodder_lappy | quite a bit |
| 05:13.19 | xbmodder_lappy | it just works |
| 05:15.37 | findlay | yeah |
| 05:15.53 | flyboy^ | How long did it take you to install gentoo? |
| 05:16.03 | flyboy^ | I mean, how long before you actually had a usable system, etc? |
| 05:16.42 | findlay | I can do it in a couple of days |
| 05:17.09 | flyboy^ | Humm. That makes me feel better then. :) |
| 05:18.06 | flyboy^ | I guess I'm just not in to 'hot rods' - that's how I'd describe gentoo. A custom hot-rod with bucket seats molded just for your butt alone. |
| 05:18.20 | maquis | flyboy^: i've found that, on occasion, binary packages just don't cut it... |
| 05:18.40 | maquis | sometimes, they're great... but if you need something that's only available as a compile-time option, you're in trouble |
| 05:19.23 | maquis | what i always wanted when i was running gentoo was something that took portage and apt-get, and stuck them together, where they maintained a joint list of what was installed, and all that |
| 05:19.50 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, first time |
| 05:19.52 | xbmodder_lappy | or what? |
| 05:19.54 | maquis | freebsd has something kinda like that, which makes things really nice... |
| 05:20.55 | flyboy^ | xbmodder_lappy: Just in general. I was just asking as a point of discussion really. |
| 05:21.17 | flyboy^ | I know there is a lot more to it, like how involved you get, what the end result is, etc. |
| 05:21.18 | QBFreak | yarg, IRC question, I joined a channel and set it +i (invite only on that network), and invited the bot I was trying to work on, I got disconnected and the bot doesn't have privs to invite me, is there a way to correct that without having the bot leave the channel? I can have it send whatever |
| 05:21.23 | xbmodder_lappy | grrr.. |
| 05:22.06 | xbmodder_lappy | lo |
| 05:22.07 | xbmodder_lappy | l |
| 05:22.35 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone know why is it broken: http://xbmodder.us/back.html |
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| 05:23.17 | brac | [HTML picture] |
| 05:23.36 | QBFreak | besides the fact that its so big it choked the bot? :) |
| 05:24.26 | xbmodder_lappy | brac, sorry |
| 05:24.35 | xbmodder_lappy | my connection lagged up |
| 05:24.35 | flyboy^ | hehe. |
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| 05:31.05 | fozzmoo | irefox-bin |
| 05:31.24 | findlay | ire? |
| 05:31.30 | nick125_ | irefox? |
| 05:31.34 | fozzmoo | gaim stole focus. :) |
| 05:31.46 | maquis | sometimes i feel ire toward firefox... |
| 05:32.12 | nick125_ | i cant believe IE7 rendered xbmodder_lappy's browser lockup script :o |
| 05:34.44 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:34.48 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, correctly? |
| 05:35.18 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: it looks like a black rectangle |
| 05:35.22 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:35.26 | xbmodder_lappy | no, not correctly then |
| 05:36.37 | xbmodder_lappy | 416 - Requested Range Not Satisfiable |
| 05:37.34 | xbmodder_lappy | it is a death script |
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| 06:01.53 | findlay | yup, you read that right, it's a seven |
| 06:14.25 | mheath | http://us.share.geocities.com/joltrush2004/TABLET1.bmp |
| 06:17.19 | mheath | (imagine a small analog thumb-stick input where each of those holes are) |
| 06:22.05 | nick125 | lol./. |
| 06:22.08 | nick125 | The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later. |
| 06:31.18 | maquis | GRRRR |
| 06:34.16 | findlay | ? |
| 06:34.39 | findlay | maquis: you weren't at the plug meeting tonight, that's why |
| 06:35.57 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, you want bandwidth? |
| 06:38.42 | tene | xbm and mheath, a combination of DOOM! |
| 06:39.47 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:47.23 | findlay | ha |
| 06:47.58 | QBFreak | it no worky: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/L98lLA50.html |
| 06:48.05 | QBFreak | if youv'e got a sec for a perl question :) |
| 06:48.21 | tene | I have |
| 06:48.43 | tene | nick125: put a box in xmission's datacenter |
| 06:49.22 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.layer42.net/services.html#colocate |
| 06:49.25 | brac | [L A Y E R . 4 2 -- S E R V I C E S] |
| 06:49.29 | xbmodder_lappy | something local would be nice |
| 06:49.52 | tene | xmission *is* local to mos tof the people here |
| 06:50.01 | tene | except for the insane non-utah freaks like you and Cubey. |
| 06:50.09 | tene | *hacks Cubey's perl* |
| 06:50.18 | nick125 | theres no datacenter here that does colo (that i know of) :( |
| 06:50.38 | tene | where you at? |
| 06:50.38 | nick125 | albuquerque, new mexico |
| 06:51.24 | xbmodder_lappy | why wont people open their AUP |
| 06:51.35 | QBFreak | well not quite, but I found a glaring security hole in my bot and I'm trying to plug it... |
| 06:51.40 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:52.06 | tene | Cubey: $text =~ s/$code/$char/g; |
| 06:52.15 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, did you find anything on the layer 42 site? |
| 06:52.19 | tene | don't put quotes there unless you want to match against and replace with quotes |
| 06:52.28 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: not really.. |
| 06:52.38 | QBFreak | bah, I forget why I put them in actually... |
| 06:52.50 | QBFreak | I was thinking I wa gonna have some troublesome chars in there or something, guess not |
| 06:52.58 | tene | Because you're a non-utah freak. |
| 06:53.02 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.above.net/products/hosting-colocation.html |
| 06:53.02 | tene | of course |
| 06:53.03 | brac | [AboveNet: Products & Services- Hosting Services: Co-Location] |
| 06:53.07 | xbmodder_lappy | I really like brac |
| 06:53.16 | QBFreak | I see |
| 06:53.17 | xbmodder_lappy | -gender |
| 06:53.25 | xbmodder_lappy | but he is genderless |
| 06:53.35 | QBFreak | well would you look at that, thanks :) |
| 06:53.48 | tene | No problem. |
| 06:53.54 | tene | I *am* completely awesome, after all. |
| 06:54.00 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, ... |
| 06:54.00 | QBFreak | point |
| 06:54.08 | xbmodder_lappy | -gender is male |
| 06:54.09 | brac | lemme take care of that for you |
| 06:54.12 | xbmodder_lappy | -brac |
| 06:54.14 | tene | what, I'm not allowed to lie, xbm? |
| 06:54.16 | xbmodder_lappy | -gender |
| 06:54.29 | xbmodder_lappy | E. No children are permitted in Co-Location Areas at any time. |
| 06:54.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Fuggers. |
| 06:54.42 | xbmodder_lappy | Above.net will work |
| 06:55.02 | nick125 | damnit...layered tech only has 8 ips...i need more like...32-36 ips |
| 06:55.04 | xbmodder_lappy | except if they call me a child, a server won't be in the rack, more something very explosive... |
| 06:55.11 | nick125 | (dont ask why..) |
| 06:55.12 | nick125 | LOL |
| 06:55.21 | xbmodder_lappy | F. No food or liquids are permitted on the Co-Location Floor. |
| 06:55.24 | nick125 | QBFreak: yeah..*horror* |
| 06:55.25 | xbmodder_lappy | duh... |
| 06:55.28 | QBFreak | that rules out living there |
| 06:55.36 | xbmodder_lappy | :-! |
| 06:55.36 | nick125 | haha |
| 06:55.49 | xbmodder_lappy | G. Smoking is prohibited in all Co-Location Areas. #You wanna set off the alarms?! |
| 06:55.52 | tene | nick: look at xmission |
| 06:55.55 | tene | http://xmission.com/ |
| 06:56.04 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.06 | QBFreak | last place I worked someone left the top cover off one of the server, nearly dropped screws into it a few times |
| 06:56.11 | xbmodder_lappy | What do they mean by "misuse" |
| 06:56.23 | QBFreak | whatever they want to mean :) |
| 06:56.24 | nick125 | tene: im looking for a dedicated...i dont want to go though the hassle of colo though |
| 06:56.34 | QBFreak | sorta like my sister's school banning 'outlandish' dress |
| 06:56.37 | tene | I'm pretty sure they do dedicated. |
| 06:56.38 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, Above.net looks cool. |
| 06:57.06 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, whats "outlandish" |
| 06:57.39 | tene | that was his point, xbm. |
| 06:57.52 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 06:57.53 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 06:58.47 | nick125 | why do i have a feeling that my request for 32 IPs would be more then most datacenters have total? |
| 06:58.58 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:59.28 | tene | nick125: not xmission. Did you check to see if they'll offer you a dedicated box? |
| 07:00.29 | nick125 | i didnt see it on their site |
| 07:05.39 | tene | nick: what are you doing this for? |
| 07:05.57 | nick125 | sent a request into xmission for pricing |
| 07:06.17 | nick125 | tene: thinking of starting a hosting company offering various services, including VPS/VDS |
| 07:07.24 | findlay | nick125: cPanel? |
| 07:08.00 | nick125 | findlay: we might offer cPanel on the VPS/VDS solutions |
| 07:08.02 | tene | If you can't find anyone else and want to co-locate a box there, just let me know. I'm out at their datacenter all the time. |
| 07:08.29 | findlay | tene: in downtown SLC? |
| 07:08.35 | tene | yeah |
| 07:11.10 | findlay | sweet. Modular X |
| 07:11.31 | tene | findlay: why? |
| 07:11.42 | findlay | tene: for the fun of it |
| 07:11.48 | tene | kk |
| 07:33.19 | QBFreak | is there an easy way to see if a perl script was required short of setting a flag in the main script? |
| 07:34.54 | tene | "was required"? |
| 07:35.03 | QBFreak | require "foo.pl" |
| 07:38.03 | QBFreak | eh, its easier to make a wrapper for what I want to do |
| 07:51.31 | xbmodder_lappy | Whats that other python code auditing tool? |
| 07:51.34 | xbmodder_lappy | not pylint |
| 07:51.38 | xbmodder_lappy | but something else? |
| 07:53.03 | nick125 | pychecker? |
| 07:53.35 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 07:59.34 | nick125 | im starting a virtual machine...wewt |
| 08:01.55 | nick125 | booting a virtual machine, in xen, in qemu is not fun |
| 08:01.57 | nick125 | nor fast |
| 08:02.27 | tene | heh |
| 08:03.00 | nick125 | ive been waiting 3 minutes for debian etch to start up (its on the livecd, thats why im using it) |
| 08:04.11 | xbmodder_lappy | I just made a REALLY big miage |
| 08:04.51 | xbmodder_lappy | >>> gd.image((x.size()[0]*100,x.size()[1]*100)) |
| 08:04.51 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 08:05.18 | xbmodder_lappy | >>> gd.image((x.size()[0]*100,x.size()[1]*100)) |
| 08:05.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Killed |
| 08:05.24 | xbmodder_lappy | the thing killed itself |
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| 13:40.36 | elg | so I was running out of space on /var and went snooping |
| 13:40.45 | elg | 100+ megs were used by /var/spool/cruft |
| 13:41.12 | elg | turns out cruft is a program for identifying cruft you can get rid of. ironic. |
| 13:52.49 | elg | ok, that's not funny. something that got upgraded ruined my Really Nifty PS1 |
| 13:53.00 | elg | now the cursor is in the middle of the prompt |
| 13:53.14 | elg | $(r=$?; [ 0 == $r ] || echo "\[\033[33m\]$r\[\033[0m\] ")\u@\h:\w\[\033[32m\]\$\[\033[0m\] |
| 14:25.51 | elg | looks like it's bash3 |
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| 15:18.24 | elg | -lart dovecot maintainer |
| 15:38.35 | sjansen | elg: whyso? |
| 15:39.06 | elg | hasn't got the config files marked as such and it overwrites them (with a backup, thankfully) everytime I upgrade |
| 15:39.07 | Jayce^ | sjansen, so, you going to be around next month? |
| 15:41.42 | sjansen | Jayce^: You should know by now that I don't know that. |
| 15:43.43 | elg | well if you were being laid off, for example... |
| 15:44.23 | Jayce^ | I could see that happening.. |
| 15:44.47 | Jayce^ | my problem is, the next two plug presenters, are both Gurus... gotta figure out who's gone, and when |
| 15:44.53 | sjansen | If I'm still in town tuesday afternoon the week of, the probability of my being in town for the meeting is about 99.99%. |
| 15:46.23 | sjansen | The probability is asymptotic. A week before, I'd put the probability is about 80% I'll be around. If I haven't heard anything by Thursday, It's about 95%. |
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| 15:47.05 | sjansen | actually, that's not asymptotic... |
| 15:47.22 | goozbach | Jayce^: my assamotes are MUCH steeper |
| 15:47.43 | sjansen | Jayce^: Anyway, I should be here, but for some reason Guru Labs loves sending me out the week of Plug meetings. |
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| 15:50.41 | Jayce^ | goozbach, sure you won't be back for saturday :-p |
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| 16:05.46 | elg | sjansen: it's because Jayce^ usually bribes them to send you away |
| 16:07.22 | Jayce^ | bribe? nah, they want to get rid of him just as bad |
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| 16:32.56 | xbmodder_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.59 | xbmodder_ | :-) |
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| 16:39.48 | xbmodder_ | ok... why isn't this working? |
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| 17:04.55 | Uncle_Jesse | alright - I need all of your help to get a story dugg: http://digg.com/users/uncle_jesse |
| 17:05.04 | Uncle_Jesse | digg the first one, on Zimbra |
| 17:05.17 | mrpull- | dugg |
| 17:08.59 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: does the calendaring work natively with outlook? |
| 17:09.21 | Robdor | anybody read the Linux Journal article this month that talks about Zimbra? |
| 17:10.05 | Robdor | It made me scared to try it... |
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| 17:11.08 | pjw | dugg |
| 17:11.51 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-: I hear there may be some issues, but my guess now that it is live they are resolved |
| 17:12.03 | Uncle_Jesse | we are using the last beta at work right now, most things work though |
| 17:12.34 | Uncle_Jesse | Everything I hear was fixed in the production release seems like it would fix issues like what were happening with Outlooik |
| 17:12.53 | Uncle_Jesse | but yes, native Outlook is a yes with zimbra |
| 17:13.04 | Uncle_Jesse | Robdor: what did it say? |
| 17:13.13 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: through MAPI or IMAP/POP3/SMTP? |
| 17:13.19 | Robdor | let me find it on their site... |
| 17:13.33 | Robdor | form the article: At this point, I need to mention one of the irritating quirks of Zimbra. It installs its SMTP, POP3, IMAP and HTTP/HTTPS servers in high-numbered ports, and then uses iptables to map to them. So, for example, port 80 gets mapped to port 7070, where Zimbra runs its Web-mail client. This can come as a nasty surprise if you install Zimbra on a host with an existing Web server. |
| 17:13.49 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-: not completely sure - I know other people in the company use it with Outlook though |
| 17:13.57 | Uncle_Jesse | there is a free Outlook-specific connector for it |
| 17:14.31 | Robdor | for anybody interested the article is at: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8722 |
| 17:14.40 | Uncle_Jesse | Robdor: I think the installation does have some quirks, yes. Our sysadmins installed it here though so I don't know what those are |
| 17:14.55 | Uncle_Jesse | we run it on its own server so it isn't a problem |
| 17:15.15 | Uncle_Jesse | works with 200+ employees just fine |
| 17:15.32 | Uncle_Jesse | CIO magazine is doing an article on us using it here soon |
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| 17:21.02 | nick125-treo | mmm...xmission hasn't emailed me back..or my treo is eating my mail |
| 17:22.03 | nick125-treo | both are possible.. |
| 17:25.07 | levi | My treo stopped making phone calls. It would hang every time I tried. |
| 17:25.25 | Uncle_Jesse | think it's appropriate to email a digg to PLUG or SLLUG? |
| 17:26.33 | nick125-treo | brb gonna check my mail again |
| 17:26.50 | levi | d/dx x^n = nx^(n-1)dx, IIRC. |
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| 17:27.17 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: i'd say no |
| 17:28.11 | Uncle_Jesse | that's cool - it's a cool announcement but I don't want it to look like spam |
| 17:57.22 | sjansen | ~lart elg and Jayce^ |
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| 18:30.55 | SpecialZ | maquis, that's why I keep a Calculus book around |
| 18:38.26 | Bradipo | elg: kudus on daemontools, boo on bind. ;-) |
| 18:38.53 | Bradipo | Er, kudos rather. |
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| 18:46.28 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here a digg user? |
| 18:46.44 | Uncle_Jesse | I want to link you as my friend if you are |
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| 19:01.10 | nick125-treo | this lunch is not good for me.. |
| 19:01.51 | nick125-treo | 1 large butterfinger bar, one package of twizzlers, a microwave potpie, and a diet coke |
| 19:04.46 | nick125-treo | I wonder if xmission is gonna email me back |
| 19:04.52 | nick125-treo | gotta check :p |
| 19:25.19 | maquis | has anyone else had google-talk add people to their buddy list without asking? |
| 19:30.53 | sjansen | maquis: What? You don't want new friends? |
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| 19:34.04 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I want new friends - you a digg user? ;-) |
| 19:35.11 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: I read digg. I see no need to create an account, however. |
| 19:35.33 | Uncle_Jesse | man - no one I know has an account - they all just read it |
| 19:35.46 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: did you see the link I posted earlier? |
| 19:38.14 | sjansen | nope |
| 19:38.34 | Uncle_Jesse | need help being dugg: http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ |
| 19:38.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I promise I won't post it again ;-) |
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| 19:39.37 | maquis | sjansen: erm... that's not what i'm saying |
| 19:39.43 | sjansen | Have you tried spamming *LUG with a link to http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ ? |
| 19:39.58 | maquis | i just... don't want gmail deciding that anyone i send email to belongs on my buddy list... |
| 19:40.11 | sjansen | Perhaps http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ will be noticed if you mention http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ more often. ( http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ ) |
| 19:40.46 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:40.52 | sjansen | maquis: Too late. |
| 19:40.59 | maquis | the new google desktop search stores search indexes online... |
| 19:41.12 | sjansen | maquis: On second thought, I might consider being your friend again if you digg http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ |
| 19:41.18 | maquis | sjansen: sure |
| 19:41.41 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: You don't have to thank me for shilling http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ |
| 19:41.52 | sjansen | It's my pleasure to make sure everyone is aware of http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ |
| 19:44.27 | sjansen | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:44.36 | sjansen | ~lart http://digg.com/software/AJAX-based_Zimbra_Goes_Live_ |
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| 19:46.38 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: thanks - now I expect # of diggs to go through the roof |
| 19:46.51 | Uncle_Jesse | skynet? |
| 19:46.56 | skynet | *shrug* |
| 19:46.59 | skynet | I'm bored. |
| 19:47.01 | skyvant | <-- has job position to announce.. |
| 19:47.14 | skyvant | any web programmers in here? |
| 19:47.34 | Uncle_Jesse | alright - who undugg the story? |
| 19:47.37 | Uncle_Jesse | ;-) |
| 19:47.42 | skynet | skyvant: nope, all of us do Windows 95 tech support |
| 19:47.52 | skyvant | ha! |
| 19:47.57 | skyvant | good one |
| 19:47.59 | skyvant | http://utahhelpwanted.com/search/view_jobs.php?session=kg6sDd24rCMr&hiddenid=900&email=crobin-foo@foo-skyvantage.com |
| 19:48.00 | brac | [Utah Help Wanted, Salt Lake City Jobs. Post Resumes, Search Jobs for Free.] |
| 19:48.29 | skyvant | ;) |
| 19:48.50 | skynet | skyvant: http://www.sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sllug-jobs-announce |
| 19:49.10 | Uncle_Jesse | woah - I'm confused |
| 19:49.11 | skyvant | got it.. tks, will post there too.. :) |
| 19:49.21 | Uncle_Jesse | is sjansen talking to himself? |
| 19:50.18 | skynet | skyvant: Might also want to post it to UPHPU/UNUG/UJUG & Plug. |
| 19:50.54 | Uncle_Jesse | Aunt_Jesse: you're so beautiful |
| 19:51.02 | Aunt_Jesse | Uncle_Jesse: Nope. Although skyvant's arrival inspired the nick. |
| 19:51.19 | Uncle_Jesse | Aunt_Jesse: will you be my valentine? |
| 19:51.28 | skyvant | skynet: tks. |
| 19:51.32 | skyvant | ha! |
| 19:51.48 | Uncle_Jesse | ~squish Ant_Jesse |
| 19:51.49 | ibot | ACTION squishes Ant_Jesse like a bug |
| 19:52.07 | travolta | ~travolta Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:52.08 | ibot | ACTION replaces Uncle_Jesse with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 19:52.34 | Uncle_Jesse | ~arnold travolta |
| 19:52.47 | Uncle_Jesse | need to create that one |
| 19:52.55 | Uncle_Jesse | ~terminate travolta |
| 19:53.26 | Uncle_Jesse | that would be a good one too |
| 19:53.40 | TomRiker | ~bzfrag Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:53.41 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill Uncle_Jesse, but finds the shield flag |
| 19:53.45 | Uncle_Jesse | ~squish TomRiker |
| 19:53.46 | ibot | ACTION squishes TomRiker like a bug |
| 19:54.04 | skyvant | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.07 | Uncle_Jesse | ~hazzard ibat |
| 19:54.12 | skyvant | tks peeps.. <-- out |
| 19:54.15 | *** part/#utah skyvant (n=skyvant@206.81.133.66) |
| 19:54.21 | Uncle_Jesse | ~duke ibat |
| 19:54.23 | ibat | Watch it buster! I've got super bot powers now! |
| 19:54.38 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball: does ibat have super powers? |
| 19:54.38 | Uncle_Jesse | 8-ball says: Who knows |
| 19:54.49 | Uncle_Jesse | who's the bot now? |
| 19:54.53 | ibat | ~whaleslap Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:54.54 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap Uncle_Jesse over the head with it..... |
| 19:55.05 | Uncle_Jesse | !a frag gun |
| 19:55.13 | Uncle_Jesse | doesn't work when I do it |
| 19:55.14 | Uncle_Jesse | dang it |
| 19:55.45 | Uncle_Jesse | ~duel ibat |
| 19:56.02 | ibat | !a cluebat |
| 19:56.11 | ibat | ~clue Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:56.12 | ibot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for Uncle_Jesse "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 19:56.20 | ibat | ~cluebat Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:56.22 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Uncle_Jesse. |
| 19:56.23 | Uncle_Jesse | ~kill ibat |
| 19:56.25 | ibot | ACTION shoots a fluxelectron gun at ibat |
| 19:56.35 | Uncle_Jesse | ~fight ibat |
| 19:56.36 | ibot | ACTION laughs as ibat reboots c-71-199-18-75.hsd1.ut.comcast.net sending uncle_jesse into the aether |
| 19:56.46 | Uncle_Jesse | haha! |
| 19:56.56 | Uncle_Jesse | doh |
| 19:56.57 | Uncle_Jesse | nm |
| 19:58.44 | ibat | Back to the salt mines... |
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| 20:22.59 | dataw0lf | meh. darn harmony ip guys. |
| 20:29.28 | dataw0lf | this 5310 Mitel conference unit is pretty slick though |
| 20:38.34 | findlay | ~lart windows98 |
| 20:39.02 | findlay | ~lart windows |
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| 20:40.04 | elg | follow's? |
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| 21:02.44 | findlay | ~ lart windows again once more for good measure |
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| 21:28.06 | sjansen | ~lart elg for questioning ibot's grammar |
| 21:28.16 | sjansen | oops, that should be |
| 21:28.22 | sjansen | ~lart elg for questioning ibots grammar |
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| 22:03.11 | Uncle_Jesse | does ibot sing now when he gets bored? |
| 22:04.02 | levi | Just when hans shows up. |
| 22:05.05 | Uncle_Jesse | oh yeah - forgot about that |
| 22:05.20 | goozbach | ibot: first warning |
| 22:05.36 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin _default hans |
| 22:05.36 | ibot | onjoin for hans set by sjansen on Fri Feb 3 15:12:07 2006: o/~ Should I stay or should I go? ~/o |
| 22:05.44 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin _default -hans |
| 22:05.44 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
| 22:05.55 | goozbach | I thought we fixed that problem |
| 22:06.02 | goozbach | ibot: stupid bot |
| 22:06.04 | ibot | no, stupid goozbach |
| 22:06.34 | TimRiker | "fixed" ? |
| 22:08.39 | dilvie | Anybody who wants two free tickets to Morgan Page on the 18th, drop me a /msg. =) |
| 22:09.05 | dilvie | http://www.myspace.com/morganpage |
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| 22:10.33 | nick125_ | hmm....xmission didnt contact me yet |
| 22:10.57 | goozbach | cursed |
| 22:11.04 | nick125_ | lol |
| 22:13.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh |
| 22:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | # A monument to a hack of long ago and far away... |
| 22:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | love: |
| 22:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.20 | nick125_ | crap...i think i corrupted my filesystem in my Xen/QEMU install :/ |
| 22:22.08 | lars-ut | Any recommendations on a dual power supply system? |
| 22:22.21 | lars-ut | can be tower or rackmount |
| 22:25.09 | lars-ut | http://www.mgepconline.com/product.asp?PRID=1922 |
| 22:25.14 | brac | [MGEPConline.com / NSPIRE, Dual 420W Mini Redundant Hot-Swapable Power Supply] |
| 22:25.50 | nick125_ | o.0 @ qemu |
| 22:25.51 | nick125_ | You do not have enough space in '/dev/shm' for the 384 MB of QEMU virtual RAM. |
| 22:25.51 | nick125_ | To have more space available provided you have enough RAM and swap, do as root: |
| 22:32.42 | lars-ut | let me try this: Any recommendations on a hot swappable power supply? |
| 22:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lars: looking for a specific brand, or..? |
| 22:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | s/lars/lars-ut/ |
| 22:34.28 | nick125_ | why am i starting to get a feeling that this boxes filesystem is somewhat corrupted too.. |
| 22:34.54 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: not really, I'm thinking of pricing out building a server myself |
| 22:35.14 | lars-ut | vs. a Dell PowerEdge, for example |
| 22:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 22:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Once upon a time I knew a product name for what you're looking for.. |
| 22:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Where did that go.. |
| 22:36.35 | lars-ut | accessing... |
| 22:36.48 | lars-ut | \ |
| 22:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:37.17 | lars-ut | :) |
| 22:37.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Wasn't an Antec.. hmm |
| 22:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Enermax maybe? |
| 22:38.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It was one of the two, and now I can't find it :/ |
| 22:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | rackmount, or what? |
| 22:39.19 | lars-ut | preferably rackmount, but it doesn't have to be |
| 22:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I knew of a hotswap PSU from Enermax that'd fit in a 2U |
| 22:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's gone now :/ |
| 22:40.40 | nick125_ | my current server, for like $200, has a kit where you can turn it into a rackmount..its like 3u/4u though |
| 22:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:41.26 | nick125_ | and considering i only paid $500 for it.. |
| 22:41.35 | lars-ut | now that I think about it, 1U is cheaper for rackspace... |
| 22:41.57 | lars-ut | the PHBs like lower monthly costs |
| 22:42.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm. Then, ebay? ;) |
| 22:42.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I'm really not sure |
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| 22:43.12 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:43.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Not quite |
| 22:43.31 | lars-ut | indeed, not at all. |
| 22:45.20 | goozbach | now... will dspam kick my trash again tonight.... |
| 22:45.26 | goozbach | tune in later to find out!!! |
| 22:45.32 | goozbach | GOOD TEA!!! |
| 22:45.43 | tene | making an rpm again? |
| 22:45.53 | maquis | goozbach: how much tea have you had recently/?? |
| 22:47.02 | goozbach | tene: trying |
| 22:47.12 | goozbach | and maquis, aparently not enough |
| 22:47.16 | maquis | haha |
| 22:48.32 | nick125_ | wewt...stage 3 tarball is downloading in QEMU |
| 22:49.55 | nick125_ | links is messed up |
| 22:50.12 | nick125_ | either its wrong or im on someone elses wifi |
| 22:50.19 | nick125_ | its saying im downloading at 1.2MB/s |
| 22:51.35 | lars-ut | that'd be nice for home use. |
| 22:52.12 | nick125_ | yes..very nice |
| 22:52.21 | nick125_ | links has some issues :/ |
| 22:53.20 | nick125_ | i only get 2000kbps down (i pay for 6000kbps down though) |
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| 23:02.38 | maquis | nick125_: when i was taking my networking midterm this week, the hypothetical system was able to download a 1MB file, through 3 routers, over a pretty good distance in < 1 second :) |
| 23:03.21 | nick125_ | lol |
| 23:03.23 | nick125_ | nice |
| 23:03.51 | findlay | I don't think people as willfully ignorant as me should be allowed to use perl to do web pages |
| 23:05.05 | nick125_ | i dont think people should be allowed, period :D |
| 23:05.54 | maquis | nick125_: it was great... :) i was even including the queuing delay and everything |
| 23:06.50 | nick125_ | but you arent doing that over a crappy speakeasy DSL line now, are you? |
| 23:07.05 | maquis | true |
| 23:07.27 | maquis | but it was interesting to look at the answer i got at the end of the problem and think "wow... that's not bad!" |
| 23:07.50 | nick125_ | true true |
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| 23:13.37 | mheath | I nearly started crying |
| 23:13.47 | maquis | ?? |
| 23:14.02 | mheath | We have these neat touchscreen computers at work, that the servers use to put in the orders, print bills, clock in/out, etc. |
| 23:14.09 | mheath | Touchscreen, card scanner, etc. |
| 23:14.42 | mheath | I always hoped they were running some neat Linux or UNIX based OS..... |
| 23:14.47 | mheath | Then I saw one booting up. |
| 23:14.55 | nick125_ | windows 98? |
| 23:14.58 | maquis | 95? |
| 23:15.03 | maquis | me? |
| 23:15.04 | tene | ME? |
| 23:15.06 | maquis | ME???? |
| 23:15.10 | nick125_ | 3.1? |
| 23:15.10 | tene | ME! |
| 23:15.11 | mheath | First, they're poorly configured (The BIOS sits and tries to boot off the network for about 5 minutes before finally giving up) |
| 23:15.16 | Uncle_Jesse | you! |
| 23:15.26 | mheath | You all are too optomistic. |
| 23:15.29 | mheath | They run MS-DOS. |
| 23:15.33 | maquis | erm... |
| 23:15.37 | maquis | wow |
| 23:15.51 | maquis | on some level... that's almost impressive |
| 23:15.54 | nick125_ | lol.. |
| 23:16.00 | nick125_ | ive seen some of them running 98 |
| 23:16.52 | mheath | I know. They've managed to continue running an operating system thats been directly obsolete for...hmm...15-20 years (depends on if you wanted to put up with Windows 1.0 and 2.0) |
| 23:16.58 | maquis | how do you get a touchscreen working with dos? |
| 23:16.59 | mheath | And indirectly obsolete since before it was created |
| 23:17.19 | tene | mheath: if it works, why change it? |
| 23:17.34 | mheath | maquis: Specialized drivers. |
| 23:17.35 | maquis | but... how/why does it work? |
| 23:17.40 | findlay | mheath: freedos |
| 23:17.40 | maquis | still |
| 23:17.42 | levi | MSDOS is a fine OS to run an embedded system device from. |
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| 23:17.45 | mheath | findlay: No. |
| 23:17.45 | findlay | is the answer |
| 23:17.49 | mheath | Microsoft MS-DOS 6.22. |
| 23:17.56 | mheath | Not FreeDOS. Not Caldera DOS |
| 23:18.06 | nick125_ | they want $200 more a month if you want to upgrade from 200GB of b/w to 1000GB |
| 23:18.09 | mheath | Not even an updated, supported version of DOS |
| 23:18.18 | findlay | mheath: no, I'm reccommending you to use the technically and ethically superior DOS |
| 23:18.41 | levi | mheath: I don't know why you think this is a problem. |
| 23:19.06 | levi | DOS is happy to let you blow it away and do your own thing, if you need to. |
| 23:19.11 | mheath | findlay: "Oh, hey, Mike. I know that I'm your lowest paid position. And this is a restraunt. And these are ready-to-go systems designed by our corporate owners. But you should really listen to me and change them." |
| 23:19.32 | mheath | levi: the thing is, they *do* have problems. Stability problems, network problems. |
| 23:20.34 | levi | Well, that is certainly not the fault of MSDOS, since it doesn't provide network facilities and it is very stable. |
| 23:20.43 | findlay | mheath: IBM has a nice array of POS stuff |
| 23:20.53 | mheath | It is IBM |
| 23:20.55 | mheath | the hardware |
| 23:21.11 | findlay | complain to IBM then? |
| 23:21.24 | mheath | its more than a cash register too...This is specialized software |
| 23:21.35 | mheath | some really nice stuff, actually. Very powerful. |
| 23:22.44 | maquis | i thought dos couldnt even use a mouse... maybe i'm wrong, though... |
| 23:22.58 | levi | DOS doesn't use a mouse, no. |
| 23:23.13 | tene | but software running in DOS can use a mouse |
| 23:23.22 | levi | maquis: Your concept of an OS has been tainted by the huge creatures we call OSes these days. |
| 23:23.32 | maquis | levi: then, how do you get a program running on it touse touchscreen? |
| 23:23.47 | tene | the program talks to the touchscreen directly |
| 23:23.52 | levi | maquis: You write a program that interfaces with the touchscreen hardware. |
| 23:23.56 | xbmodder | ye |
| 23:23.56 | xbmodder | s |
| 23:24.19 | maquis | levi: i have no problem with OSs without mouse support... i was just confused by how it would then use a touchscreen... |
| 23:25.08 | maquis | so... this software has its own ability to do graphical displays and everything? |
| 23:25.17 | tene | probably |
| 23:25.28 | levi | Doing graphical displays isn't terribly difficult. |
| 23:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, I used a mouse in QBasic. |
| 23:26.00 | tene | silly maquis has never done any graphic programming. |
| 23:26.36 | maquis | tene: only cs142, and some vb |
| 23:26.36 | levi | The touchscreen is probably a serial device, and you'd probably just listen to the COM port. |
| 23:26.56 | tene | maquis: I'm just being a jerk. You should ignore me. |
| 23:27.28 | levi | Or you could install an IRQ handler for the serial port IRQ line and have it call your touchscreen driver program. |
| 23:27.43 | maquis | tene: you're pretty close to right, though |
| 23:27.51 | levi | There's no memory protection or virtual memory, so you just have to load it into memory and set the right address in the interrupt handler table. |
| 23:28.05 | maquis | interesting... |
| 23:28.18 | tene | maquis: there are some system calls to set the video mode and others to draw pixels on the screen. |
| 23:28.22 | levi | In the DOS days, there was this handy class of programs called TSRs. |
| 23:28.29 | RyanE | you guys are all too young. mice were supported in dos. |
| 23:28.32 | maquis | i don't fully understand why you'd want to write this type of thing for dos.... |
| 23:28.34 | RyanE | just poorly |
| 23:28.44 | maquis | RyanE: i'll fully admit to being too young |
| 23:28.54 | RyanE | and not just 'by the program'. There was a driver you would load, made it pretty easy. |
| 23:29.17 | maquis | and to the fact that i don't remember using a windoze machine before 9th grade |
| 23:29.43 | levi | TSR = Terminate and Stay Resident |
| 23:29.45 | RyanE | maquis: me either. I am certain I didn't use a windoze machine before 9th grade. |
| 23:30.29 | levi | So you could hit an f-key and it'd jump to your program, which had been hanging out dormant in memory. |
| 23:30.43 | maquis | RyanE: probably for a different reason from me :) |
| 23:30.50 | RyanE | yeah, because it didn't exist. |
| 23:31.07 | maquis | yeah |
| 23:31.08 | RyanE | I don't think I used windows until I had been out of college for a little while |
| 23:31.12 | levi | RyanE: I used DOS, I just didn't remember the details of its mouse support. |
| 23:31.57 | maquis | RyanE: we've had macs at home since i was 3... my schools from 1st grade through 8th had macs in the computer labs |
| 23:31.59 | RyanE | yeah, there was a mouse.com that you would load for serial mice. You would then do a software interrupt to get it's current info. |
| 23:32.16 | levi | mouse.com sounds familiar. |
| 23:32.39 | maquis | http://www.mouse.com/ |
| 23:32.40 | brac | [Mouse.com --] |
| 23:33.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:33.19 | maquis | glad *someone* laughed |
| 23:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It was funny! |
| 23:34.03 | RyanE | maquis: scary thing is, that's probably the only .com you've ever heard of, the www.*.com variety. |
| 23:34.16 | RyanE | I suppose it's not that scary, though. |
| 23:34.22 | maquis | RyanE: i'm not overly worried about it :) |
| 23:35.43 | RyanE | oh, and mouse drivers *did* support touchscreens. |
| 23:38.58 | nick125_ | lol |
| 23:39.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why OiNK exists |
| 23:39.43 | lars-ut | I'm OK with paying for music - and I like the 12-18 cents I usually pay for a track there. |
| 23:39.50 | lars-ut | no DRM either. |
| 23:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Bitrate? |
| 23:39.57 | lars-ut | 192 |
| 23:40.02 | lars-ut | but of course... |
| 23:40.12 | lars-ut | I have to up that for certain tracks |
| 23:40.17 | lars-ut | that's VBR btw |
| 23:40.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, heh |
| 23:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Better, but still not good |
| 23:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Lemme put it this way |
| 23:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Seeders144,757 |
| 23:40.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Leechers7,559 |
| 23:41.16 | lars-ut | wow. |
| 23:41.21 | lars-ut | I just bought "Where the Streets Have No Name" in unprotected AAC at transcoding quality for .20 |
| 23:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Trick is, you're essentially stealing as-is |
| 23:42.51 | lars-ut | nah |
| 23:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty close :P |
| 23:43.04 | lars-ut | maybe |
| 23:43.06 | maquis | The BVA head's answer is even more full of spin, calling DRM "a means of enabling consumers to access and use audiovisual content in a wider variety of ways that suit their tastes and habits" |
| 23:43.29 | lars-ut | I have a swearword response to that quote... |
| 23:43.34 | maquis | "you can't play that song (or video) on your ipod because we're enabling you to acess and use the content in a variety of ways that suit your tastes" |
| 23:43.56 | lars-ut | sweet - I'm empowered _and_ enabled now! |
| 23:43.58 | pjw | it' |
| 23:44.05 | maquis | lars-ut: yup |
| 23:44.11 | pjw | s not DRM, it's CRAP (content restriction, annulment, and protection) |
| 23:44.13 | maquis | and you still can't watch the video on your ipod |
| 23:44.17 | tene | lars-ut: does the $0.20 you paid for that music go back to the artist? |
| 23:44.46 | lars-ut | not sure - it's filtered through the Russian equivalent of the RIAA |
| 23:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | So, no. ;) |
| 23:45.03 | lars-ut | lemme check on this... there was a recent article |
| 23:45.09 | maquis | tene: probably at least as much as gets back to the artist from cd sales here |
| 23:45.14 | tene | Lemme know what you find out. |
| 23:46.16 | tene | I'd actually be quite surprised if any at all goes back to the musician. |
| 23:46.50 | maquis | tene: like i said... at least as much as goes back with the US system |
| 23:46.57 | tene | Heh. |
| 23:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | At least some artists are catching on |
| 23:47.19 | lars-ut | this is part of it... http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7597_7-0.html?forumID=41&messageID=1708660&threadID=153671 |
| 23:48.11 | lars-ut | "Russian copyright legislation allows phonograms to be performed publicly without the authorization of the copyright owner for broadcasting and cable transmission. (Article 39) The Internet could be deemed to fall under this exemption. The copyrights involved have to be paid to a collecting society. This is the 'loophole' that is referred to in several articles on Allofmp3." |
| 23:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | So you're justified legally |
| 23:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Just... not morally :P |
| 23:51.29 | Uncle_Jesse | isn't that always the rule with mp3 downloads? |
| 23:51.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I've never seen an mp3 downloader actually go the entire way through the court system |
| 23:51.47 | tene | so... no, the artist gets no money from your purchase... |
| 23:51.49 | Uncle_Jesse | they always settle |
| 23:52.21 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: arent there a couple cases going currently? |
| 23:52.35 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: there might - any links? |
| 23:52.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd love to follow them |
| 23:52.48 | maquis | i know there's one where there's a musician who's paying the court fees for someone who's actually going through the court syste |
| 23:52.48 | maquis | n |
| 23:53.12 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - I want to watch that one |
| 23:53.14 | maquis | and then there's some lady who knows that she's innocent, who ran out of money, so she's now defending herself... |
| 23:53.31 | maquis | i think there was some thought that the RIAA might drop those cases,though |
| 23:53.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I know of no law that says you can't download mp3s from others without paying for them when it's personal use |
| 23:53.51 | maquis | yeah... the one with the musician paying the court fees is particularly interesting... he's upset because they're suing a fan of his |
| 23:53.55 | Uncle_Jesse | I only know of laws that allow it |
| 23:54.12 | maquis | (the fan had downloaded one of his songs...) |
| 23:54.15 | Uncle_Jesse | lawyers always argue the DMCA, but that has nothing to do with mp3 downloading |
| 23:54.35 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: That's interesting - me being justified legally, but not morally/ethically. Me downloading my TV shows is the inverse. |
| 23:54.36 | Uncle_Jesse | RIAA only does this because they know the people will settle |
| 23:54.45 | maquis | anyway, i don't actually have the links for those, but i saw them go through my bloglines over the past few weeks |
| 23:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lars-ut, note that the morally was my personal opinion |
| 23:54.55 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll have to look them up |
| 23:55.03 | lars-ut | I'd agree. |
| 23:55.11 | Uncle_Jesse | now personally, I agree it's not moral |
| 23:55.28 | sjansen | Anybody who listens to music is doing the work of the *bleep* and will be going to [heck]!!! |
| 23:55.37 | maquis | sjansen: haha |
| 23:55.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ sjansen |
| 23:55.37 | lars-ut | I'd like to pay the artist on a similar pay-by-the-megabyte pricing model with no DRM. |
| 23:55.41 | Uncle_Jesse | darn rock and rollers! |
| 23:56.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Plain and simple, if you aren't morally justified, why pay the $0.20? |
| 23:56.26 | maquis | while i don't download music illegally, i think that what the music/movie industries have been doing is much worse morally than the people whodownload music |
| 23:56.40 | Uncle_Jesse | ScytheBlade1: yeah - why not just download them for free? |
| 23:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree with maquis there, which is why I said earlier that "some artists are getting a clue" |
| 23:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Uncle_Jesse, exactly |
| 23:56.50 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: agreed |
| 23:56.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And, by my own confession, that's what I do... *for the most part* |
| 23:57.07 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: I think I influence the market more by voting with my pocketbook |
| 23:57.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I mostly buy my music for the collection aspect - it's more of a collection if you own it |
| 23:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | When Harvey Danger released their album for free over BitTorrent - I gave them a $5 just for doing it. |
| 23:57.26 | maquis | my friend accidentally got me talking about this the other day, when she mentioned that her education classes were talking about fair use and such |
| 23:57.28 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: but I'm not sure. |
| 23:57.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I went out and bought the album. |
| 23:58.42 | maquis | this week, there was also an article about a musician who tried a different model for her music |
| 23:58.43 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: I also have a "moral" problem with paying multiple times for the same content in different formats (tape, CD, DVD, SACD) |
| 23:59.05 | maquis | the music itself was free, but she was using it to promote concerts, tours, music videos, autographed cds, shirts, etc |
| 23:59.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lars-ut, fair enough. I can definitely give you that. |
| 23:59.18 | lars-ut | ScytheBlade1: I want a digital archive that I can manage myself. |
| 23:59.22 | maquis | she found that she made more money that way than she had previously while going through the record labels |
| 23:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence why I torrent in FLAC and then donate accordingly. |
| 23:59.36 | lars-ut | nice. |
| 23:59.46 | lars-ut | luv the FLAC |
| 23:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | FLAC is amazing (as is OiNK.. ;)) |
| 23:59.58 | Uncle_Jesse | speaking of which, my brother's band is having their cd release party at Liberty Square apartments this weekend |
