| 00:01.42 | maquis | wow... at weather.com, for sunday, there's a link that says "check boat and beach forecast" |
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| 00:36.52 | goozbach | http://www.fmvperformance.com/forum_items/Smileys/default/frostyfire.gif |
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| 00:46.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, hey |
| 00:46.49 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:47.05 | ibot | scytheblade1 is currently on #utah (2h 52m 57s), last said: 'Good good'. |
| 00:50.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone know where to get an automated CD burner? |
| 00:57.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I've always wondered - what is a level three diagnostic, and why don't they just do it any time something is wrong with the ship that they can't figure out? |
| 00:57.47 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: good questions |
| 00:58.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Since it always finds the problem, shouldn't it be the first course of action? |
| 00:58.11 | drbrain | probably because it takes too long |
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| 00:58.22 | Lone_Wanderer | But it's always 45 minutes into the episode before they decide to try it. |
| 00:58.33 | goozbach | Lone_Wanderer: it's all about the everyplot |
| 00:58.42 | maquis | maquis ships are generally old beaten-up raiders on which the diagnostics are probably all broken... |
| 00:58.53 | goozbach | the level 3 diag cannot come until at least 45minutes into each episode |
| 00:59.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And reconfiguring the main deflector array. |
| 00:59.27 | maquis | drbrain: the level 3 diagnostic doesn't usually take that long to run, though |
| 00:59.31 | xbmodder_lappy | what are you guys alking about?? |
| 00:59.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know what the main deflector array *does* exactly but it can be reconfigured to do anything, apparently. |
| 00:59.55 | maquis | the deflector array doesn't always work... and my assumption with that is that it's probably reasonably risky... you don't want to mess up the deflector array |
| 01:00.00 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: deflector shields |
| 01:00.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhhhh |
| 01:00.06 | maquis | it's one of the shield generators |
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| 01:00.11 | Lone_Wanderer | gotcha |
| 01:00.11 | xbmodder_lappy | how can I make CDrecord record to a file? |
| 01:00.16 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, you wouldn't want to screw those up |
| 01:00.26 | maquis | it can be reconfigured to allow certain types of pulses through, though |
| 01:00.30 | elg | ok, so now that I have my .cshrc set up properly I can see everything, including ruby. it's not gnu make, and still no seq, and it's just vi, but it's livable |
| 01:00.49 | elg | xbmodder_lappy: cdrecord record to a file? its job is recording to CDs |
| 01:00.59 | elg | if you want a file, use file tools |
| 01:01.06 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 01:01.09 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 01:01.11 | goozbach | mkisofs is what youre looking for |
| 01:01.21 | goozbach | plug mkisofs into the main deflector array |
| 01:01.23 | elg | probably. or dd |
| 01:01.27 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, but mkisofs doesn't let you make data+sound CDs |
| 01:01.31 | xbmodder_lappy | mixed-mode |
| 01:01.53 | goozbach | using tao mode? |
| 01:02.03 | elg | hmm, good question |
| 01:02.39 | elg | but you could always burn it (maybe to a CDRW) and use cdrdao to get the final iso |
| 01:02.53 | elg | be sure to check the man pages to cdrecord and cdrdao |
| 01:04.16 | goozbach | my background is a picture of mary jane in her skivies |
| 01:04.18 | goozbach | :) |
| 01:05.57 | Tene | goo: read applegeeks? |
| 01:12.19 | xbmodder_lappy | 61.2KB/s of upload on the wall |
| 01:12.34 | xbmodder_lappy | no.. never mind |
| 01:12.40 | xbmodder_lappy | killing my VoIP |
| 01:14.13 | goozbach | Tene: that's the background |
| 01:15.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm done! Hallelujiah! |
| 01:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer | or however you spell that word |
| 01:16.08 | Tene | thought so |
| 01:17.25 | Tene | Mine is a pretty landscape with an animated 'e' superimposed over the sun |
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| 01:18.23 | maquis | :) |
| 01:18.30 | elg | desktop, hmm. |
| 01:18.44 | elg | I think it's a galaxy or something from digitalblasphemy |
| 01:18.54 | elg | when I see it next, I'll double-check. |
| 01:19.56 | maquis | mine's rotated to a cool freebsd/beastie background |
| 01:20.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I just did something very bad |
| 01:20.25 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: how bad? |
| 01:20.42 | Lone_Wanderer | cd /some/place, su -, (password), chown -R webuser:wwwrun * |
| 01:20.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I forgot that su'ing returns you to root's home directory... |
| 01:21.10 | maquis | ok... |
| 01:21.16 | Lone_Wanderer | (which thankfully is not /) |
| 01:21.21 | maquis | that's not nearly that bad... |
| 01:21.25 | maquis | su - |
| 01:21.34 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 01:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm still root |
| 01:21.36 | maquis | then chown -R root:root * |
| 01:21.39 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 01:21.49 | Lone_Wanderer | that's pretty easy |
| 01:21.52 | maquis | yup |
| 01:21.59 | Lone_Wanderer | whew |
| 01:22.00 | Tene | heh |
| 01:22.17 | Lone_Wanderer | thank goodness it doesn't follow symlinks |
| 01:22.35 | maquis | Lone_Wanderer: if it did, then the new chow would too |
| 01:22.39 | maquis | er |
| 01:22.40 | maquis | chown |
| 01:23.05 | Tene | maquis: yes, but the place symlinked probably isn't filled with root-owned files |
| 01:23.19 | maquis | Tene: true... |
| 01:23.25 | Lone_Wanderer | there are symlinks from root's home to places all over the server |
| 01:23.32 | Lone_Wanderer | for easy access after you su |
| 01:23.42 | maquis | ah... |
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| 02:06.52 | amcnabb | Does anyone have a bunch of IDE drives in their computer? I'm going to be getting rid of a two-bus PCI IDE card in the next few days. |
| 02:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I either need to swap a friend an ATA drive for a SATA drive |
| 02:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Or acquire an ATA PCI card |
| 02:08.41 | goozbach | amcnabb: I'm interested |
| 02:09.25 | amcnabb | I paid $30 or $40 for it, so I'm thinking $10 or $15 is probably a fair price. |
| 02:09.46 | Tene | Would you accept a moose in trade? |
| 02:10.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering what one can sell a moose for.. |
| 02:10.09 | amcnabb | In what form is this moose? |
| 02:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the model/brand/etc? |
| 02:10.13 | Tene | Well, a very tiny moose. |
| 02:10.27 | Tene | mini-moose 2003 |
| 02:10.58 | amcnabb | 0000:02:00.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. PCI0680 Ultra ATA-133 Host Contr |
| 02:11.01 | amcnabb | oller (rev 02) |
| 02:11.55 | amcnabb | The only reason I don't want it is that we're taking out an IDE drive from the machine and won't need the extra bus anymore (I hate having two drives on one bus). |
| 02:12.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, on second thought, not interested |
| 02:12.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got four NICs, a sound card, and three SATA drives on my PCI bus :) |
| 02:12.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So... it'd actually hurt more than help |
| 02:12.42 | amcnabb | :) |
| 02:13.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Maybe if you're willing to swap a 160GB ATA for some form of a SATA drive though ;) |
| 02:13.47 | amcnabb | You want an ATA drive, or you have an ATA drive? |
| 02:14.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Have an ATA drive, want a SATA drive |
| 02:14.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Four-port SATA card, using three |
| 02:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ATA is full up (2x HD, 2x optical), and three SATA in use |
| 02:14.59 | amcnabb | You can get converters for about $20, I think. |
| 02:15.19 | amcnabb | They'll make an IDE drive appear as SATA to your controller. |
| 02:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
| 02:16.33 | ScytheBlade1 | That's sorely tempting |
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| 02:22.10 | elg | fascinating. what is so simple in gnuplot (plotting several functions on the same graph) is nigh unto impossible in R |
| 02:22.52 | amcnabb | I've seen it done. |
| 02:23.00 | amcnabb | It didn't seem to complicated when I saw it. |
| 02:23.06 | amcnabb | But I don't know R very well. |
| 02:23.56 | elg | I've seen a few things with google that are ad-hoc kluges |
| 02:24.20 | elg | if you come across a good way I'd like to see it, but I guess I'll just make the graph with gnuplot |
| 02:24.26 | elg | R is still cool though |
| 02:24.39 | elg | like making a histogram in gnuplot is a pain, but in R it's cake |
| 02:25.13 | amcnabb | Here's what my teacher did (hopefully you'll understand it better than I do): |
| 02:25.15 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: in fact, many (generally early) SATA controllers are merely a PATA chipset with a SATA bridge |
| 02:25.34 | amcnabb | He did plot() for the first function. |
| 02:25.41 | amcnabb | And for the second function he did lines(). |
| 02:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, that's kinda dirty :/ |
| 02:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, I have a Promise S150 TX4, and it's served me well |
| 02:26.26 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: if you think that's dirty, you don't even want to know about SATA RAID |
| 02:26.48 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, Oh? Details? |
| 02:27.11 | tensai | http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 02:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yes |
| 02:27.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I know all of that |
| 02:27.32 | elg | amcnabb: yeah, that's the general approach. but you have no legend, no different line types, no auto scaling (aside from the first plot) |
| 02:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's annoying :/ |
| 02:27.55 | amcnabb | You can still do different line types. |
| 02:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | but, linux software raid works fine, fortunately |
| 02:28.01 | elg | you can |
| 02:28.02 | amcnabb | I don't know about legends. |
| 02:28.02 | elg | it's just a pain |
| 02:28.05 | elg | it's like doing raw tex |
| 02:28.26 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: it's not the end of the world. you just have to know the limitations and what the cards are still good for. |
| 02:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, yeah, I thought you meant something different. |
| 02:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite this card being labeled as a RAID card, all I use it for is a controller card and that's that |
| 02:28.59 | elg | no, thanks. I'll use gnuplot. it's just interesting that they didn't think of that. I guess statisticians can do funny comparisons with normal distributions or something to come up with more mathematical ways to tell how things compare |
| 02:30.55 | amcnabb | elg, like I said, I really don't know much. |
| 02:31.10 | tensai | I dig software RAID. it's great for a lot of things. for my new mail server we got an LSI MegaRAID U320 RAID controller. hooked up to a split channel external SCSI array we can sustain 600MB/s writes (not mbit, mbyte!) |
| 02:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, my current bottleneck is my PCI bus. It's... drastically limiting :) |
| 02:31.49 | tensai | that should be, "it's great for a lot of thing. OTOH, for my new mail server..." |
| 02:32.04 | tensai | yes, that's where pci-express x8 lanes come in handy. |
| 02:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | My problem is actually my networking. I have a gigabit card on the PCI bus... and poof, so much for that |
| 02:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | And, last I checked newegg, the only PCI express NIC was $80 |
| 02:33.49 | tensai | I wonder where my gig controller attaches... |
| 02:34.07 | tensai | it's on the motherboard. hopefully it won't choke up my pci buss |
| 02:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, newegg is up to three PCI express NICs |
| 02:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | A D-Link and two no-name brands |
| 02:35.47 | tensai | ours is an intel e1000 |
| 02:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | $80, $40, and $45 |
| 02:36.44 | amcnabb | Can Windows (e.g. XP) do IPv6? I'm thinking I might start playing around with it soon. |
| 02:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's all about the PCI express now |
| 02:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, it can |
| 02:36.57 | amcnabb | Is it complete support? |
| 02:37.03 | ScytheBlade1 | via CLI, but yes |
| 02:37.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Start --> run --> netsh interface ipv6 install |
| 02:37.36 | amcnabb | Interesting. I'll have to start soon. |
| 02:38.20 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/ipv6faq.mspx |
| 02:38.22 | elg | heh. the gnuplot quick reference "card" is 7 pages |
| 02:38.22 | tensai | I recently upgraded my local network to ipv6 and it's been working great |
| 02:38.28 | elg | but it looks nice |
| 02:38.32 | elg | so I'll print it. |
| 02:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, oh? does your network include samba by chance? |
| 02:39.06 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: thankfully no. not a windows device on my network. |
| 02:39.11 | elg | of course, it's landscape and I'm lucky if I can get it to print landscape |
| 02:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I ask because samba has no IPv6 support at all |
| 02:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And I was curious how you pulled that off, haha |
| 02:39.31 | tensai | elg: I'll print it for you. just drop by and pick it up whenever you have a minute |
| 02:39.48 | elg | ~dropkick tensai |
| 02:39.49 | ibot | ACTION sends tensai flying like a yipping chihuahua |
| 02:42.40 | amcnabb | So samba can't be made at all to support IPv6? |
| 02:43.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope |
| 02:44.06 | ScytheBlade1 | There was a fork a while ago, back in the 2.2 times, that added it |
| 02:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | It died shortly after it was created, though |
| 02:44.22 | amcnabb | Is it a problem with the Microsoft protocols? |
| 02:44.32 | amcnabb | or just implementation? |
| 02:46.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Implementation |
| 02:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Microsoft is 100% compatable SMB over IPv6 |
| 02:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc, samba 4 will be also, but don't quote me on that |
| 02:48.13 | amcnabb | I just googled, and it looks like samba 4 does IPv6. |
| 02:48.23 | amcnabb | I might try out the "Technology Preview" just for kicks. |
| 02:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo hoo |
| 02:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Now if only my xbox supported IPv6... :P |
| 02:49.46 | amcnabb | :) |
| 02:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It's modded, and runs XBMC almost exclusively |
| 02:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But that would be nice |
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| 02:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Drat, no plans to support IPv6. |
| 03:05.22 | harleypig | Anyone willing to give me some usb networking help? |
| 03:05.54 | harleypig | I've reinstalled opie on my ipaq and now I can ping myself ok, but I can't see my desktop, or vice versa, even though usbview shows the connection. |
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| 03:23.11 | goozbach | elg: pics from the CAKE concert sat night: http://www.friocorte.com/talam/photo?photo_id=6158 |
| 03:25.20 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
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| 04:11.33 | scottj | I saw a mpio today. wow those are trashy |
| 04:12.28 | scottj | although they may sport more features than the ipod, they hardly feel as polished or smooth |
| 04:12.47 | scottj | the interface, gui, design is all messed up |
| 04:23.42 | fozzmoo | I LOVE MY X5! |
| 04:31.15 | scottj | the hd200 was the one I used |
| 04:31.33 | scottj | the fonts were bad, display was horrible |
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| 05:01.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 05:38.36 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, how do you feel about their cute little linux being deployed in machinery of war?" |
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| 06:01.43 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: ?? |
| 06:01.59 | mheath | xbmodder: Is this some comment about google? |
| 06:02.26 | mheath | I just meant that maybe it was time to sell your stock, as their quarterly earnings report were way, way, way below what was expected, and the stock dropped (at least one point) by $40/share today. |
| 06:02.44 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, I sold a while back |
| 06:02.54 | xbmodder_lappy | It had to pop, ya know? |
| 06:03.43 | xbmodder_lappy | What do you think about linux being deployed in machines of war? and did you ever ask your neighbor out? Or where she is moving.. oakland I think |
| 06:03.55 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: already done. |
| 06:04.03 | xbmodder_lappy | which one? |
| 06:04.04 | mheath | Navy uses several clusters of PPC-based Linux systems. |
| 06:04.28 | mheath | In some cases, for ships operations themselves. |
| 06:04.34 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, yeah, but like what do you think about autonomous war vehicles. |
| 06:04.39 | xbmodder_lappy | running linux |
| 06:04.51 | xbmodder_lappy | and HUDs running linux, etc |
| 06:05.14 | mheath | I don't think that what operating system they run has anything to do with ones view on how ethical they are. |
| 06:06.52 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 06:06.56 | xbmodder_lappy | and did you ask her out? |
| 06:07.15 | mheath | No. |
| 06:07.21 | mheath | ~lart ams |
| 06:07.48 | mheath | Someone: "Please comment" |
| 06:07.51 | mheath | Me: <comment> |
| 06:08.03 | mheath | ams: mheath, this is your fault. you need to be working personally to improve this. |
| 06:10.31 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, hmm.. Did you ever find out what city she is moving to? |
| 06:10.41 | mheath | No. |
| 06:10.45 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 06:11.10 | xbmodder_lappy | If you ever do, and its near me.. I would be happy to show her around... |
| 06:11.32 | mheath | Somewhere near san francisco, thats all I know |
| 06:12.00 | xbmodder_lappy | awesome... |
| 06:12.52 | xbmodder_lappy | Tell her "Feel free to call my good friend in the Bay Area his number is (925)-209-7312" |
| 06:12.54 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 06:14.12 | xbmodder_lappy | I doubt you will.. but I could be helpful... |
| 06:14.16 | mheath | findlay: Indeed. |
| 06:14.29 | xbmodder_lappy | I ought to go to a SVLUG meeting one of these days. |
| 06:14.50 | xbmodder_lappy | Why do people like rap? Its really crappy poetry put to music.. |
| 06:15.09 | findlay | I think listening to that stuff makes you stupider |
| 06:15.11 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: "really crappy poetry"? |
| 06:15.15 | mheath | I don't like rap |
| 06:15.32 | findlay | at least I feel stupider when I'm forced to hear it for any length of time |
| 06:15.33 | mheath | But I appreaciate the amazingly poetical characteristics of their lyrics (even if they tend to me worthless and vulgar) |
| 06:15.43 | mheath | *be |
| 06:15.46 | findlay | still makes you stupider |
| 06:15.58 | mheath | findlay: indeed :) |
| 06:16.14 | findlay | nothing can justify that for me |
| 06:16.17 | mheath | findlay: I'm going to guess that you listen to primarily classical, then? |
| 06:16.45 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, like vogon poetry. |
| 06:16.52 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, yeah it actually does. |
| 06:17.25 | mheath | I agree. Any music genre that has roots in disco is a bad thing. :) |
| 06:17.26 | findlay | I will listen to most art music out there. Classical strictly defined is the period of Western music from CPE Bach to L Beethoven inclusive |
| 06:17.43 | mheath | Wow. |
| 06:18.09 | mheath | findlay: Do you listen to any 'rock'n'roll'? Lighter classics, even? |
| 06:18.32 | findlay | I like most modern American film composers, and Adams |
| 06:18.54 | findlay | there's still talent out there, but not as much as a market unfortunately |
| 06:18.59 | findlay | mheath: not really |
| 06:19.03 | mheath | Nice. Your tastes are rather similar to my dads, it seems. |
| 06:19.21 | mheath | Do you enjoy opera compositions? |
| 06:19.33 | levi | A lot of rap sucks, and it tends towards being urban and vulgar, but there's some good stuff. |
| 06:19.40 | findlay | mheath: "lighter" only if the music is so light it floats for lack of substance |
| 06:19.42 | mheath | levi: thats my view |
| 06:19.52 | findlay | negate that last statement (: |
| 06:20.29 | findlay | opera can be good |
| 06:20.49 | findlay | but I listen to music for the music, not for the words |
| 06:21.10 | mheath | findlay: Do you listen to any jazz? |
| 06:21.20 | levi | The 'rap' I enjoy pretty much always has interesting music that it goes along with. |
| 06:21.25 | xbmodder_lappy | any techno fans out there? |
| 06:21.27 | levi | I also like rap in foreign languages. |
| 06:21.40 | findlay | you can't do that with the modern crap on the radio station. Take out the words, and there's nothing left. |
| 06:21.42 | xbmodder_lappy | french rap is cool.. |
| 06:21.57 | levi | findlay: When did I say anything about radio stations? |
| 06:22.18 | levi | I stay as far away from 'urban' stations as possible. |
| 06:22.19 | findlay | mheath: most jazz I've heard is pretty good. It's still mostly art music |
| 06:22.25 | xbmodder_lappy | 90% of the words are censored resulting in a just boom -- bleep -- boom |
| 06:22.36 | findlay | levi: not sure I was directly responding to your statement |
| 06:23.16 | levi | findlay: Oh, I see now that you were continuing your previous statement. |
| 06:23.24 | findlay | levi: yeah |
| 06:23.26 | findlay | (: |
| 06:23.51 | levi | findlay: But there is plenty of rap that occurs over music more complex than a bass-heavy drum machine loop. |
| 06:24.30 | levi | A friend played a track by the Roots that was rap over acoustic guitar. |
| 06:24.47 | findlay | levi: I can't judge what I haven't heard |
| 06:25.32 | levi | Indeed, and you'll probably never hear it if you never venture beyond your 'classical' music. :) |
| 06:26.18 | findlay | levi: I'm just for the most part disgusted on music that is so blatent that the beat must be explicitly sounded continuously with drums |
| 06:26.21 | levi | (I quote it since I mean it in the popular sense, rather than the strict period sense) |
| 06:26.42 | findlay | levi: probably not (: |
| 06:27.49 | levi | You can have a fairly straightforward beat in a complex song. |
| 06:27.53 | findlay | especially when the guys downstairs blast it out until 1 AM |
| 06:28.25 | findlay | levi: yeah, but do you need to hear it? |
| 06:28.59 | levi | Well, the 1812 Overture blasted downstairs at 1 AM would probably annoy you about as much. ;) |
| 06:29.14 | findlay | close (: |
| 06:29.18 | levi | findlay: What's wrong with hearing a driving beat? |
| 06:29.43 | findlay | levi: there's nothing wrong. I just think it's *way* overused |
| 06:30.11 | findlay | as if anyone who bothers to write music for a "band" can't even think beyond the same old stuff |
| 06:30.36 | mheath | findlay: You're listening to the wrong kind of music. |
| 06:30.49 | mheath | Theres some bands who, even if you don't like their sound, their instrumentals will amaze you. |
| 06:31.03 | mheath | Musicians who are faster and better than you would have thought humanly possible. |
| 06:31.29 | findlay | mheath: I'm wary of all music that can't break out of the same instrumentation, ensamble, beat, harmony, and tonal progression |
| 06:31.56 | mheath | I dislike bands that do that, too. |
| 06:32.30 | mheath | Odd thing |
| 06:32.41 | mheath | I think I'm turning on the lamp by my bed in my sleep |
| 06:32.44 | findlay | mheath: I can respect skill, but it's a tragedy if they never do anything inspiring |
| 06:32.56 | mheath | because when I go to sleep, I'm sure its off; yet when I wake up its always on now. |
| 06:33.20 | mheath | findlay: Usually the ones who posses true skill are also the ones who come up with good music. |
| 06:33.44 | mheath | Audioslave is a band I've been listening to lately |
| 06:33.46 | findlay | who? |
| 06:33.53 | mheath | You'd probably hate their music |
| 06:34.10 | mheath | But, their songs vary a lot. |
| 06:34.31 | mheath | I didn't like them at first, because I purchased the CD to have a hard copy of a song I heard and liked on the radio |
| 06:34.42 | mheath | I was frustrated by the fact that every other song on that CD was nothing like it |
| 06:34.50 | findlay | see? Although we appear to come to consensus on "good" music, right away you "know" (and are probably right) I won't like them (: |
| 06:35.25 | mheath | findlay: One's music tastes are arbitrary; we just game to a consensus on the fundamental attributes that we like in music. |
| 06:36.50 | findlay | I still don't understand why they have to use the drumbeat for everything without exception (I'm generalizing, of course) |
| 06:37.04 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, are you going to respond to my PMs? If so, with what answer? |
| 06:37.07 | mheath | You haven't heard a good drummer, though. |
| 06:37.11 | findlay | I think that's the main thing that makes me feel stupider |
| 06:37.18 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: I have your PMs ignored. |
| 06:37.56 | mheath | findlay: I should give you a copy of this song. You'd dislike its overall sound, probably, but I think the drumming would surprise you. |
| 06:38.07 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, can you unignore me? |
| 06:38.16 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Nope, sorry. |
| 06:38.21 | findlay | mheath: OK |
| 06:39.31 | mheath | Its nice because the drum maintains the overall beat and feeling of the song.... |
| 06:39.42 | mheath | Yet it periodically breaks, and does its own amazing thing. |
| 06:45.58 | levi | findlay: You should try listening to Sigur Ros. |
| 06:51.26 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, why did you block my PMs? Why are you continuing to block them? |
| 06:52.44 | findlay | poor xbmodder_lappy ): |
| 06:52.49 | findlay | ~console xbmodder_lappy |
| 06:52.52 | ibot | ACTION gives xbmodder_lappy the consolation moose |
| 06:53.12 | xbmodder_lappy | ~love ibot |
| 06:53.14 | ibot | If you love ibot so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 07:09.22 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, please join #private |
| 07:18.27 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, shut up... |
| 07:18.30 | xbmodder_lappy | haha |
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| 09:12.21 | findlay | ~marry ibot |
| 13:48.04 | elg | grr. gmail's ads are now not only overlapping my email, but their background is opaque so I really can't tell what's going on |
| 13:50.01 | elg | what's the name of that virus that's supposed to hit tomorrow? |
| 14:10.33 | Mecworks | I'd like to welcome Perth Austrailia to Utah. They just moved in. |
| 14:23.16 | elg | imagine the flame wars we could have if we make PLUG stand for P* Linux Users Group! |
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| 16:05.02 | lars-ut | any problems running email via Comcast? |
| 16:05.25 | lars-ut | right now I'm just using the domain for forwarding aliases |
| 16:05.25 | mheath | You'll have to route outgoing e-mail through their SMTP server. |
| 16:05.37 | mheath | smtp.comcast.net (no auth required, if its coming from a comcast IP) |
| 16:06.02 | mheath | Otherwise, if it comes from your residential IP, must receiving hosts will block it. They block e-mail from residential IPs as a spam blocking method. |
| 16:06.20 | mheath | *most receiving |
| 16:07.15 | lars-ut | that sounds doable - I talked with a few of Comcast's reps & the installer - they don't have anything against hosting on their network as long as you understand that there's no uptime guarantee, in the case of a business site for example |
| 16:07.38 | lars-ut | nothing against it in their Terms of Service |
| 16:08.00 | lars-ut | mheath: Have you been hosting using Comcast?> |
| 16:08.20 | elg | really? that's a change isn't it? |
| 16:08.32 | elg | comcast used to say NO SERVERS and you had to do it under the radar |
| 16:08.35 | lars-ut | not sure - I just switched to them yesterday |
| 16:08.42 | lars-ut | I was surprised |
| 16:09.07 | elg | well that's good |
| 16:09.15 | elg | I've been doing family email on my dsl connection for years, works great |
| 16:09.32 | lars-ut | I'm canceling my DSL today |
| 16:10.49 | lars-ut | I've found I can give 250kilobytes/sec to tv downloads w/o degrading my Vonage voIP service |
| 16:11.24 | lars-ut | That's worth it to me, as I don't have TV antenna or cable |
| 16:12.09 | elg | you can get comcast without basic cable service? |
| 16:12.09 | lars-ut | I'm not saving much - about $7 a month |
| 16:12.28 | lars-ut | I'd pay $3 more if I subscribed to their cable tv service |
| 16:12.48 | tensai | when I had cable internet they charged a network access fee if you didn't have tv service |
| 16:12.50 | lars-ut | then the savings would only be $4 a month |
| 16:12.54 | elg | wow. I didn't know you could get their internet without tv. although for the $3 I'd probably spring for cable |
| 16:13.01 | lars-ut | I pay $52.95 / month |
| 16:13.13 | lars-ut | in Springville |
| 16:13.17 | lars-ut | cheaper in Provo |
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| 16:13.39 | lars-ut | but then again you have the iProvo option in some areas there. |
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| 16:14.04 | elg | hmm, I pay $55 for my dsl+xmission |
| 16:14.22 | lars-ut | on the advice of PLUGers I used comcastoffers.com & got a sweet deal |
| 16:14.43 | elg | is it permanent or does the cost go up in a year? |
| 16:14.49 | Jayce^ | our new tagline.... Plug saves you money :) |
| 16:14.57 | lars-ut | elg: The $52.95 is permanent |
| 16:15.33 | lars-ut | Comcast could change it though - they've consistently raised their cable rates but their internet rates have remained fixed for 3 years |
| 16:15.56 | elg | you're sure basic tv is just $3 mor? |
| 16:15.57 | lars-ut | gotta love competition... |
| 16:16.00 | lars-ut | yes |
| 16:16.06 | lars-ut | $2.87 actually. |
| 16:16.20 | elg | i may have to look into that. but otoh I really don't have time to watch the olympics |
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| 16:16.26 | elg | so maybe I'd better not look into that. ;-) |
| 16:16.29 | lars-ut | :) |
| 16:17.04 | lars-ut | I don't have the time to subscribe to Discovery Health channel - my wife & I could watch plastic surgeries all day... |
| 16:17.21 | elg | sounds like my wife and I and the food channel |
| 16:17.30 | lars-ut | Iron Chef? |
| 16:17.56 | lars-ut | I caught that one at a friends house |
| 16:18.22 | lars-ut | most of my TV consumption comes from bittorrent now - has for a while. |
| 16:18.28 | elg | just about everything except iron chef |
| 16:18.37 | elg | hate that show. and the american one too. call me weird |
| 16:18.43 | tensai | elg: weird |
| 16:18.59 | elg | it's annoying too, cuz that's just about all that's on during prime time |
| 16:19.09 | tensai | and rachel ray. yuck |
| 16:19.10 | elg | but we had a DVR so it didn't much matter. :) |
| 16:19.29 | elg | her 30-minute meals wasn't so bad. didn't like the other shows |
| 16:19.30 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, which torrent sites you using for tv shows, been having trouble with the torrents I used to rely on |
| 16:19.37 | Jayce^ | I usually get them from news |
| 16:19.51 | tensai | elg: I used to like her, but I tuned in recently and it just made me sick |
| 16:19.56 | Jayce^ | tensai, my wife loves her though :/ her new book is pretty good |
| 16:19.57 | elg | we've been watching the ol' doctor who from bitmetv |
| 16:20.15 | elg | some guy is uploading just about everything from season one. hope we can keep up |
| 16:20.18 | Jayce^ | ~praise alton |
| 16:20.20 | ibot | All hail alton! |
| 16:21.10 | elg | we're not watching everything, but even so it's hard to keep up |
| 16:21.11 | elg | if anyone needs bitmetv invites |
| 16:21.13 | hell-ro | I got 12 |
| 16:21.17 | tensai | still no podcast on altonbrown.com |
| 16:21.22 | Jayce^ | elg, sure |
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| 16:28.49 | lars-ut | Jayce: tvtorrents.com & bitmetv.org |
| 16:30.06 | lars-ut | I hear it's a good idea to route invites through anonymous email sites... |
| 16:30.32 | Jayce^ | tvtorrents has been iffy for me for a while |
| 16:31.27 | lars-ut | really? I used it last night quite a bit |
| 16:32.58 | Jayce^ | been a month or so since I've done it, I'll have to try again... |
| 16:33.03 | Jayce^ | I was getting lousy rates though |
| 16:33.18 | Jayce^ | used to oink which I always get great rates |
| 16:34.12 | lars-ut | I've gottten spoiled - I prefer to wait until a season is over before watching, or if I must,(Battlestar Galactica & Lost), I'll wait & watch 2 eps at a time. An 80-84 min fix slightly mitigates the cliffhanger effect. |
| 16:34.34 | hell-ro | tvtorrents comes and goes quite a bit, though I have heard rumblings of Johan getting a new server very soon... |
| 16:35.20 | lars-ut | sjansen: not talkin' about DVDs here - there's a real good argument for fair use when it comes to tv broadcasts |
| 16:35.32 | lars-ut | better than DVDs methinks |
| 16:36.38 | hell-ro | I think the argument renders from the MPAA wanting to keep every penny for themselves and only make money where "it's legal" due to copyright restrictions. This hasn't yet been proven for TV shows |
| 16:36.57 | jsmith | hell-ro: Did I happen to leave a that gift certificate on your table? |
| 16:36.59 | lars-ut | I'd love to see the EFF lawyers take a crack at it |
| 16:37.05 | hell-ro | though it is being fought very hard right now... |
| 16:37.16 | hell-ro | in the court of public opinion |
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| 16:37.28 | hell-ro | lars-ut: dunno, maybe... |
| 16:37.42 | goozbach | I'm in the wrong field... |
| 16:38.01 | lars-ut | hell-ro: Once public broadccasts stop & HD distribution is all controlled by media outlets it'll get worse |
| 16:38.11 | hell-ro | agreed |
| 16:38.12 | goozbach | there was a guy on the radio this morning who made $231,000 last year playing video games professionally |
| 16:38.26 | hell-ro | that'd be a fun job |
| 16:38.31 | lars-ut | goozbach: in Korea? |
| 16:38.43 | lars-ut | Cyberathlete? |
| 16:39.30 | goozbach | lars-ut: no, here in the US |
| 16:39.47 | lars-ut | wow |
| 16:39.48 | goozbach | fata1ity |
| 16:39.55 | lars-ut | ah - the mobo guy |
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| 16:42.10 | graphyx | There are missing persons in your head? |
| 16:42.11 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 16:42.24 | lars-ut | graphyx: you have no idea... |
| 16:42.39 | lars-ut | graphyx: Aren't you supposed to be - in another state? |
| 16:43.07 | lars-ut | looks like I got some bad info from the Comcast folks - the Terms of Usage do prohibit business usage |
| 16:43.12 | lars-ut | "Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Service is for personal and non-commercial use only and you agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, a server site for ftp, telnet, rlogin, e-mail hosting, "web hosting" or other similar applications, for any business enterprise, or as an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network." |
| 16:43.46 | lars-ut | looks like to took some care to use the words "" |
| 16:43.51 | lars-ut | "for any business enterprise" |
| 16:44.08 | lars-ut | that's quite generous imo |
| 16:44.19 | hell-ro | lars-ut: an end-point on a non-Comcast local area network or wide area network. >> That sounds like the 2 tier network SBC/AT&T is fighting |
| 16:44.38 | hell-ro | for |
| 16:44.44 | lars-ut | hell-ro: over my head on that one |
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| 16:45.00 | hell-ro | charging content providers for infrastructure costs |
| 16:45.20 | lars-ut | yikes |
| 16:45.51 | hell-ro | http://www.networkingpipeline.com/blog/archives/2006/01/att_free_ride_f.html |
| 16:45.57 | lars-ut | pay per frame check sequence? |
| 16:45.57 | brac | [Networking Pipeline | Blog] |
| 16:46.20 | hell-ro | brac: exactly |
| 16:46.55 | sjansen | -lart hell-ro |
| 16:47.07 | levi_ | Morning, all. |
| 16:47.09 | sjansen | -botsnack |
| 16:47.10 | brac | sjansen: cheers |
| 16:47.12 | hell-ro | brac: sweet |
| 16:47.33 | hell-ro | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:47.46 | tensai | hell-ro: sounds more like they prevent you from connecting your network to somebody elses |
| 16:47.53 | sjansen | ~bzfrag hell-ro |
| 16:47.57 | ibot | ACTION blindsides hell-ro with an invisible bullet |
| 16:48.13 | hell-ro | tensai: that's the start of it though.... |
| 16:49.02 | hell-ro | tensai: the business contract probably says something to the effect of charging the content provider for any connections outside of the comcast/SBC/AT&T bubble respectively... |
| 16:49.13 | tensai | hell-ro: while I share your fear of 2 tier networks, I really don't think that's what this is targetting |
| 16:49.26 | hell-ro | ~assimilate sjansen |
| 16:49.28 | ibot | ACTION jams assimilation tubes into sjansen's neck and injects Borg nanobots. |
| 16:49.59 | hell-ro | tensai: then we can agree to disagree... |
| 16:50.17 | lars-ut | combined with the new consumer tech that focuses on audio/video throughout the home (Intel's VIIV, for example) this will be one heck of a DRM war |
| 16:50.17 | tensai | for example, load balancing between a dsl and cable line |
| 16:50.43 | tensai | hell-ro: that's what's so fun about legalese. it's all in the interpretation! |
| 16:51.44 | lars-ut | http://www.frost.com/prod/servlet/press-release.pag?docid=59136839 |
| 16:52.05 | lars-ut | ~pimpslap brac |
| 16:52.06 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps brac. ouch! |
| 16:52.44 | lars-ut | [AT&T’s Ed Whitacre Honored with CEO of the Year Award from Frost & Sullivan] |
| 16:53.15 | lars-ut | hey, Ed, thanks for the new spin on an internet tax |
| 16:53.57 | graphyx | lars-ut: That's next week. |
| 16:54.57 | lars-ut | a small hosting operation |
| 16:55.01 | tensai | I personally would like to thank the CEOs of all the baby bells for their diligent efforts to reconstruct Ma Bell |
| 16:55.20 | lars-ut | Bellsouth especially |
| 16:56.52 | tensai | because things were so good with a single enormous telecom monopoly. it'll be nice to get back to that era. |
| 16:57.18 | hell-ro | tensai: I agree that interpretation is fun!! |
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| 17:15.06 | emcnabb | sjansen just bowed before me |
| 17:15.11 | emcnabb | w00t |
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| 17:15.27 | maquis | haha |
| 17:15.31 | jsmith | emcnabb: Naw, he probably just bent over to pick up some enlightenment putty |
| 17:15.51 | emcnabb | jsmith: almost. his kiwi fruit fell on the floor :-) |
| 17:16.10 | emcnabb | it was a great feeling |
| 17:16.23 | maquis | yay... another good dilbert |
| 17:16.51 | sjansen | probably the closest emcnabb will ever come to real respect |
| 17:17.02 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 17:17.18 | maquis | http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/investigator/archives/007568.asp?rss=1 |
| 17:17.20 | brac | [Why Steal Personal Information? Two Mass. Papers Will Give It To You!] |
| 17:17.40 | maquis | my high school did something similar to that... they were trying to work on using both sides of every piece of paper |
| 17:17.42 | levi_ | Er, Sweeny |
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| 17:17.56 | maquis | sometimes the back side of the page was instructions for what teachers should do in the case of a homicide on campus |
| 17:18.14 | maquis | another day, it was part of a test that was taking place the next day,... |
| 17:20.20 | sjansen | heh |
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| 17:23.25 | levi | "Reasonable type-system extensions could statically eliminate all: Out-of-bounds array access, null pointer dereference, integer overflow, and accessing of uninitialized variables" |
| 17:25.06 | maquis | "what did the book say about this?" |
| 17:25.09 | maquis | <silence> |
| 17:25.43 | maquis | "ok... if you don't remember, can you come up with something?" |
| 17:27.33 | levi | "In a concurrent world, imperative is the wrong default!" |
| 17:28.23 | lars-ut | http://www.maximumpc.com/2005/07/m-flyer_traveld.html |
| 17:28.42 | lars-ut | [M-Flyer TravelDrive] |
| 17:28.50 | lars-ut | "When you’re done with your data, press a small button on the key’s dorsal ridge, and snap, the USB plug retracts instantly. Unlike other keys with retractable USB plugs, we never had a problem with premature retraction." |
| 17:28.58 | levi | "Claim: Transactions are the only plausible solution to concurrent mutable state" |
| 17:29.37 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, on that vein, have you seen the new CF cards with built in USB adaptor? folds into the middle |
| 17:29.46 | fozzmoo | "We never had a problem with premature retraction." That's quotable. |
| 17:29.57 | lars-ut | Jayce: link? |
| 17:30.29 | lars-ut | It's the only Magazine I've paid for going on 6 years now |
| 17:30.41 | lars-ut | CPU is a close second |
| 17:31.21 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, I know they sell them at local stores, a co-worker bought one |
| 17:31.54 | sjansen | levi: Where are you reading this? |
| 17:32.04 | lars-ut | Jayce: not talking about something like this are you? http://www.simpletech.com/commercial/usbflashdrives/Bonzai.php |
| 17:32.19 | Jayce^ | no |
| 17:32.29 | lars-ut | Jayce: which store? |
| 17:32.57 | levi | sjansen: Slides from a talk Tim Sweeny gave about 'The Next Mainstream Language' or something like that at an advanced functional programming seminar. It's all about the sort of language he'd want to build another Unreal-like engine. |
| 17:33.07 | lars-ut | ~google CF cards built in USB adaptor fold middle |
| 17:33.13 | Jayce^ | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7249685&type=product&id=1115366130336 |
| 17:33.15 | brac | [SanDisk - 512MB Ultra II Secure Digital Plus USB Memory Card - SDSDPH-512-901] |
| 17:33.31 | Jayce^ | that one is SD, even better |
| 17:34.14 | lars-ut | Jayce, that is fracking cool. |
| 17:35.03 | maquis | hmmm... this instalinux thing is kinda cool |
| 17:35.47 | levi | sjansen: I'm happy to see that such a smart, experienced guy has a very similar view about these things to mine. It certainly validates the feelings about things I've been gaining lately. |
| 17:37.19 | sjansen | So is he smart because you agree with him, or do you agree with him because he's smart? |
| 17:38.05 | levi | sjansen: He is smart because he successfully created a bunch of cool software. |
| 17:38.35 | sjansen | Jayce^: That is absolutely amazing. .5 Gig or data with all dual control circuitry and the mechanical limitations. Wow. |
| 17:39.03 | Jayce^ | pulling it apart, there is room for larger chips too |
| 17:39.31 | levi | sjansen: You've heard of Tim Sweeny, haven't you? |
| 17:40.13 | sjansen | levi: I disagree. Anyone that doesn't recognize Cobol# is the inevitable future of software development is obviously misguided. |
| 17:40.58 | sjansen | levi: Actually no. What has he done besides Unreal? |
| 17:41.08 | levi | sjansen: He's Mr. Epic Megagames |
| 17:41.24 | levi | (Now just Epic Games) |
| 17:41.35 | sjansen | Ah, that's why. I don't game. |
| 17:42.02 | levi | You never did before, either? |
| 17:42.33 | sjansen | Not since the Nintendo was hot. And I wasn't connected enough to know about much more than Mario, Zelda & Metroid. |
| 17:44.38 | levi | Well, he had a lot of games out before then: http://www.epicclassics.com/orderform.html |
| 17:44.41 | brac | [Epic Classics Order Form] |
| 17:46.56 | levi | These days they mostly do Unreal-based games and license out the Unreal engine. |
| 17:47.31 | levi | But anyway, designing something like Unreal is a fairly demanding software engineering task. |
| 17:48.46 | levi | It combines high-level logic, math and algorithm intensive stuff, concurrency, distribution (for network games), and has demanding performance requirements. |
| 17:49.33 | levi | And it also has high quality requirements, since you can't really patch console games if they're buggy. |
| 17:49.52 | tensai | I wish you could I've found bugs in some of my gamecube games |
| 17:50.07 | tensai | s/could/could. |
| 17:50.15 | tensai | s/could/could./ |
| 17:50.26 | tensai | ibot: bah. what good are you? |
| 17:50.29 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 17:50.44 | tensai | ibot: bah. what good |
| 17:50.45 | ibot | bah. what good are you? |
| 17:50.53 | tensai | ibot: see? |
| 17:51.08 | tensai | ~forget bah. what good |
| 17:51.08 | ibot | i forgot bah. what good, tensai |
| 17:51.16 | lars-ut | http://www.thetwistergroup.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=SDSDPH-1024-901%20D27488 |
| 17:51.17 | lars-ut | [SANDISK SDSDPH-1024-901 ULTRA II DUAL-PURPOSE SD PLUS CARD] |
| 17:51.25 | lars-ut | 1GB |
| 17:51.45 | lars-ut | $107.12 |
| 17:54.06 | jsmith | lars-ut: No kidding... I could really use a matched pair of 1 GIG sticks for my box... |
| 17:57.36 | lars-ut | RAID 1? |
| 17:58.24 | jsmith | :-) |
| 17:58.52 | jsmith | No, actually I was referring to DDR sticks, not USB memory... |
| 17:59.08 | graphyx | I don't think it is called Raid 1 in memory terms. usually they call it dual channel. |
| 17:59.10 | tensai | I've never considered that all RAM is actually RAID 0 |
| 17:59.31 | graphyx | as tensai said RAID 9 |
| 17:59.35 | graphyx | s/0/9/ |
| 17:59.56 | graphyx | -lart ibot |
| 18:00.22 | graphyx | ~say /kick graphyx |
| 18:00.23 | ibot | /kick graphyx |
| 18:00.33 | graphyx | he's too smart.. |
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| 18:02.04 | lars-ut | Didn't one of the McNabb's use multiple USB flash drives for an LVM presentation? |
| 18:02.51 | lars-ut | heard about it - missed it though :( |
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| 18:14.03 | goozbach | lars-ut-away: methinks it was emcnabb |
| 18:14.18 | goozbach | lars-ut-away: I do the same for software raid |
| 18:14.32 | lars-ut-away | thx |
| 18:15.59 | sjansen | emcnabb did |
| 18:18.14 | sjansen | man, that price is unreal |
| 18:19.40 | sjansen | Any treo owners out there know if its possible to keep all of my data on an SD card and use that for syncing instead of bluetooth/usb/network syncing? |
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| 18:48.03 | goozbach | sjansen: I just used filez to copy everything off the phone onto the card |
| 19:29.16 | tensai | rosemary and garlic infused olive oil is so good I swear I could drink it |
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| 19:56.13 | levi | tensai: Mmmm. |
| 19:56.50 | levi | I officially cancelled my cell phone service last night. |
| 19:57.05 | levi | No more networked treo for me. |
| 19:57.26 | levi | The stupid thing stopped working for phone calls, though, so now it's just a PDA. |
| 19:57.30 | tensai | no more $80 a month either |
| 19:57.38 | levi | I was only paying $57 or so. |
| 19:58.05 | levi | They were going to offer me a $30/mo plan and $150 towards a new phone, but I don't really want a monthly cell phone bill. |
| 19:58.13 | tensai | still, that's a lotta rosemary |
| 19:58.43 | levi | I think I'm going to get a T-Mobile pre-payed phone. |
| 19:58.49 | levi | For emergency use. |
| 20:08.57 | tensai | ~lart qwest for no particular reason |
| 20:09.25 | Tene | ~lart comcast |
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| 20:27.41 | maquis | ~nslookup tuxgirl.com |
| 20:28.09 | Tene | ~nslookup maquis.is.a.moose |
| 20:34.04 | Uncle-Jesse | try convincing comcast that you aren't getting the full bandwidth you should - it's a lot of fun |
| 20:34.20 | Uncle-Jesse | most of the people you talk to have no clue what bandwidth is |
| 20:34.25 | Uncle-Jesse | but will try to pretend |
| 20:34.26 | maquis | hehe |
| 20:34.33 | Uncle-Jesse | I'm battling that right now |
| 20:34.37 | maquis | Uncle-Jesse: fun |
| 20:35.04 | Uncle-Jesse | I'm told I should have 6mb/s but every test I run shows 3mb/s |
| 20:35.13 | Uncle-Jesse | "let me run a ping test to your router" |
| 20:35.20 | maquis | i didn't have much trouble getting comcast to let me get things setup on linux... the people there were moderately nice and didn't tell me that linux was incompatible with the internet |
| 20:35.24 | Uncle-Jesse | "it shows it's fast" |
| 20:35.24 | maquis | so, i was quite satisfied |
| 20:35.53 | Uncle-Jesse | "how do you know it's fast?" |
| 20:35.57 | Uncle-Jesse | "um, not sure" |
| 20:37.00 | Uncle-Jesse | in both VA and Utah it's averaged at least an hour up to 3 hours to get set up with them every time |
| 20:37.15 | Uncle-Jesse | and every time I try to cancel they show I own one of their modems when I own my own |
| 20:38.28 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:38.31 | maquis | that's not nice |
| 20:46.07 | graphyx | maquis: Sometimes you even have to tell them, ok I have my windows system running... |
| 20:46.19 | graphyx | And they can't tell the difference. |
| 20:46.30 | graphyx | Just give them whatever they want equivelant in linux. |
| 20:46.46 | maquis | graphyx: the problem is, that means i have to know what they're wanting me to do.... |
| 20:47.07 | maquis | and given my windows experience, their instructions may not help me know what they're looking for |
| 20:47.34 | graphyx | I doubt you have less experience in windows than a comcast level 1 tech. |
| 20:47.45 | maquis | haha |
| 20:47.53 | graphyx | I mean ipconfig = ifconifg ping = ping telnet = well telnet. |
| 20:47.58 | graphyx | know what I mean? |
| 20:48.00 | maquis | yeah |
| 20:48.13 | graphyx | Unless they have some special program that needs activex items, you are good. |
| 20:48.20 | maquis | but when they start going into menus and dialogue boxes and such.... |
| 20:48.30 | maquis | that's when i start getting lost |
| 20:49.08 | graphyx | Just keep saying, "ok... now what". |
| 20:49.43 | maquis | true |
| 20:49.51 | maquis | i need to practice that method |
| 20:50.11 | graphyx | and use the hold button on them.. |
| 20:50.11 | graphyx | ;) |
| 20:50.57 | maquis | because it sounds like it would owrk better than dealing with people who think that if they don't know what linux is, it must be incompatible with whatever they're supporting |
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| 20:57.38 | findlay | that reminds me of when some OCT guy needed to know my MAC. He took a big breath and started out "OK, go to your main desktop. Do you know what that even is?" |
| 20:58.25 | findlay | minor embellishment added just to show the worn patience he seemed to present (: |
| 21:01.36 | tensai | maquis: move to wyoming and I'll get you set up. most of our 1st level techs use linux and all of our noc does. :) |
| 21:08.54 | maquis | tensai: i wish |
| 21:09.13 | maquis | QBFreak: xdesktopwaves |
| 21:09.32 | tensai | maquis: how about western montana. that's not that far away from seattle. |
| 21:10.07 | maquis | tensai: if i'm living that far away from work, then it won't matter *where* i live, because i'll never make it home to use the internet |
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| 21:14.31 | graphyx | heh |
| 21:14.58 | tensai | maquis: so we're agreed then. what's your preference in wyoming? south, west, east? |
| 21:15.59 | maquis | ~lart tensai |
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| 21:22.55 | hell-ro | from an earlier conversation with tensai: something interesting is brewing http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060213/chester |
| 21:23.11 | hell-ro | the battle is on... |
| 21:24.18 | hell-ro | ~lart graphyx |
| 21:24.35 | Tene | ~lart squirrels |
| 21:24.42 | Tene | ~lart hydrant |
| 21:24.49 | sjansen | ~lart udev & gpilotd |
| 21:24.54 | graphyx | ~say -lart hell-ro |
| 21:24.57 | ibot | -lart hell-ro |
| 21:24.58 | graphyx | ~lart hell-ro |
| 21:25.05 | graphyx | double teamed!!! |
| 21:25.05 | spr | ~bake sjansen |
| 21:25.13 | spr | ~cook sjansen |
| 21:25.15 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 21:25.25 | spr | always mess that one up |
| 21:25.26 | Tene | ~moose sjansen |
| 21:26.01 | sjansen | ~eat spr |
| 21:26.02 | ibot | ACTION eats spr and falls over dead |
| 21:26.09 | hell-ro | ~say -lart brac |
| 21:26.13 | ibot | -lart brac |
| 21:26.22 | Tene | ibot: bake $who is <reply> I think you mean ~cook $who, spr. |
| 21:26.23 | ibot | okay, Tene |
| 21:26.26 | graphyx | ~say ~lart ibot |
| 21:26.28 | ibot | ~lart ibot |
| 21:26.37 | spr | ~sword sjansen |
| 21:26.40 | Tene | ~lart ibot |
| 21:26.44 | graphyx | He just doesn't listen to himself. |
| 21:26.50 | sjansen | ~stab spr |
| 21:26.51 | ibot | ACTION runs at spr with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 21:27.04 | spr | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 21:27.05 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap sjansen over the head with it..... |
| 21:28.55 | emcnabb | hello spr |
| 21:29.16 | spr | why hello emcnabb. |
| 21:29.25 | graphyx | wouldn't that be the slap or no return? |
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| 21:59.49 | mheath | Hmm |
| 22:00.19 | mheath | Can anyone think of a way for a host to transfer a GUI to a client (like VNC), and have an authorative method of telling if the client is actually displaying it? |
| 22:00.50 | mheath | Well, not like VNC. Like x11. |
| 22:01.01 | goozbach | X11 |
| 22:01.28 | goozbach | and some sort of X resource monitor |
| 22:01.28 | RyanE | goozbach: which is *exactly* like x11. |
| 22:02.24 | mheath | Well, What do you mean by X resource monitor? |
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| 22:03.29 | goozbach | there are tools out there that look at things like mouse placement |
| 22:03.34 | goozbach | keyboard events |
| 22:03.37 | goozbach | etc... |
| 22:03.58 | goozbach | if you could notice anything like that to your specific Xclient you've forwarded |
| 22:04.07 | goozbach | that'd be pretty authorative |
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| 22:05.00 | mheath | Ubuntu is very nice. |
| 22:05.04 | mheath | I've been giving it a try lately |
| 22:05.05 | graphyx | That's what 12 pixels close? |
| 22:05.29 | mheath | Let me explain my stituation with that X11 thing |
| 22:05.56 | mheath | I've been playing with ideas for those LiteTablets I discussed |
| 22:06.09 | mheath | *'I've discussed |
| 22:06.19 | mheath | The client will be fed a GUI from a server |
| 22:06.35 | mheath | But say a student is sitting in class, and the teacher is trying to show an Impress presentation |
| 22:07.11 | goozbach | you want to make sure the student is watching? |
| 22:07.28 | mheath | Short of checking the validity of the tablets firmware periodically (and making the firmware force them into it), I'm looking for a way to assure the client is showing the presentation. |
| 22:07.43 | goozbach | or at least make sure the clenint is displaying |
| 22:07.48 | mheath | Yeah |
| 22:07.55 | goozbach | here's what I'd do... |
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| 22:08.37 | goozbach | I'd setup an X server on the client machine that doens't allow vt switching, or zaping |
| 22:08.55 | goozbach | then I'd make sure the students do NOT have root access. |
| 22:09.17 | goozbach | then I'd just run chvt <terminal with the server> from an ssh connection |
| 22:09.23 | goozbach | as root |
| 22:09.27 | goozbach | on the client machine |
| 22:09.43 | goozbach | then I'd write to the display to my heart's content |
| 22:10.00 | mheath | Hmm |
| 22:10.04 | QBFreak | I |
| 22:10.12 | mheath | Doesn't really work that way in my situation, but you've given me an idea. |
| 22:10.30 | QBFreak | m assuming the client is the tablet? what if the student reboots it? |
| 22:10.44 | mheath | I'm thinking of just having firmware checking |
| 22:10.49 | sjansen | liberal application of \corporal punishment |
| 22:10.59 | mheath | IE, the firmware forces them into viewing the presentation |
| 22:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.qdb.us/30054 |
| 22:11.20 | brac | [QDB: Quote #30054] |
| 22:11.50 | QBFreak | heh |
| 22:12.04 | mheath | and then the server will ask for checksums of the firmware (varying the checksum parameters so the client can't just store the checksum of the original firmware in some new firmware) |
| 22:12.26 | graphyx | What is the simplest way of burning a single file to a blank cd in linux? |
| 22:12.32 | graphyx | cli |
| 22:12.47 | graphyx | is mkisofs really the way to go? |
| 22:14.06 | sjansen | If you use a properly configured version of gnome, just put the CD in, drag the file, then select the menu item to burn the disc. |
| 22:14.34 | sjansen | Works fine on Ubuntu/Fedora/SUSE. I assume KDE should be just as easy. |
| 22:14.50 | goozbach | k3b |
| 22:17.10 | graphyx | using kde 3.4 and not having k3b installed, any other quick GUI methods? |
| 22:17.14 | graphyx | Or CLI methods? |
| 22:17.40 | sjansen | mkisofs + cdrecord |
| 22:17.45 | graphyx | ok |
| 22:17.47 | graphyx | That is what I thought. |
| 22:19.38 | graphyx | Why does cdrecord throw this flag? |
| 22:19.44 | graphyx | cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.13-gentoo-r3 |
| 22:19.44 | graphyx | cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. |
| 22:19.44 | graphyx | cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. |
| 22:19.58 | graphyx | seems to me that cdrecord works fine on the 2.6 kernel. |
| 22:20.17 | sjansen | because the cdrecord maintainer doesn't trust 2.6, just ignore it |
| 22:21.59 | graphyx | I already had been. |
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| 22:50.19 | hell-ro | ~bake jsmith |
| 22:50.21 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook hell-ro, spr. |
| 22:50.59 | hell-ro | ~swirley graphyx |
| 22:52.25 | jsmith | ~cook hell-ro |
| 22:52.26 | ibot | ACTION throws hell-ro in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks hell-ro on 350 for an hour |
| 22:53.35 | maquis | mmm... yummy |
| 22:56.12 | hell-ro | ~lart jsmith |
| 22:59.28 | jsmith | hell-ro: So, my wife suddenly has the Catan bug, and wants to learn... |
| 23:00.00 | graphyx | That's amusing. |
| 23:00.00 | tensai | jsmith: my wife now plays more than I do |
| 23:00.18 | graphyx | jsmith: That was directed at you. She can have my chair. |
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| 23:00.51 | graphyx | though I do find it interesting that we usually sat in the same chairs as if it were assigned seating. |
| 23:01.06 | graphyx | well time to go. ttyl |
| 23:01.16 | maquis | tensai: my mom plays scrabble more than anyone else i know... she finally got it on the computer, so that she can play when nobody else is around... |
| 23:01.21 | graphyx | That's an abbreviation for the arkansain Talk to Y'alls later |
| 23:01.38 | maquis | graphyx: everyone in school always sits in the same seat every day, and they aren't assigned either |
| 23:01.42 | maquis | it's just habit |
| 23:04.28 | tensai | oh don't tell me you broke that site too |
| 23:04.41 | maquis | House Republicans are taking a mulligan on the first ballot for Majority Leader. The first count showed more votes cast than Republicans present at the Conference meeting |
| 23:04.48 | maquis | tensai: sorry... i don't know what i did |
| 23:04.52 | jsmith | maquis: I'll bet my grandmother plays more scrabble than your mom |
| 23:05.02 | maquis | jsmith: possibly |
| 23:05.29 | maquis | my mom just plays more than anyone else i know :) |
| 23:05.30 | maquis | since i don't know your grandmother, that's completely possible :) |
| 23:05.57 | jsmith | My grandma likes to tell the story of the US hostages in the 80s... their captors let them play scrabble, and after a while they had to give up as they had the backs of the tiles memorized. |
| 23:08.28 | maquis | :) |
| 23:10.38 | tensai | my grandmother-in-law loves playing scrabble but nobody will play with her any more |
| 23:10.56 | tensai | it always ends up in a fued of some sort |
| 23:11.42 | sjansen | What's another way of saying "objective" or "deliverable"? |
| 23:16.54 | jsmith | sjansen: "work product", "end product", "output"? |
| 23:17.41 | tensai | thing |
| 23:17.49 | tensai | "goal" |
| 23:18.02 | tensai | "solution" |
| 23:33.30 | Newsome | ~lart OpenOffice.org |
| 23:35.34 | maquis | ~hug LaTeX |
| 23:35.40 | ibot | ACTION hugs LaTeX |
| 23:35.58 | Newsome | hey, at least it won't crash on me every 5 minutes |
| 23:36.08 | tensai | ah, crud. he noticed. |
| 23:36.15 | maquis | LaTeX doesn't crash on me every 5 minutes |
| 23:36.29 | maquis | i've never seen abiword crash either, although i've only used it 2 or 3 times |
| 23:37.16 | Newsome | I'm not just writing some paper, though. I'm trying to make a presentation with ooimpress (I'm _not_ impressed) |
| 23:37.29 | maquis | oh |
| 23:37.41 | maquis | i've seen some packages to do similar things with LaTeX |
| 23:37.54 | maquis | comes out in pdf instead of ppt, which is, imho, a major advantage |
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