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| 00:16.55 | sjansen | tensai: Try contacting Gabe Gunderson, I think he's played with it. |
| 00:17.44 | tensai | sjansen: danke |
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| 00:25.03 | TimRiker | cool. probably getting 150+ DLT tapes with the 100 tape changer. |
| 00:28.36 | elg | tensai: I read that mod_* isn't necessarily the smartest approach anymore. |
| 00:29.57 | tensai | elg: and what would be the preferred solution? |
| 00:30.01 | elg | but as fastcgi isn't quite mature, it may be depending on mod_mono's status. fastcgi in lighttpd is much nicer, if you don't have old apacheness to support. |
| 00:30.23 | elg | http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/01/02/fastcgi-scgi-and-apache-background-and-future/ |
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| 00:31.08 | elg | e.g. in ruby, mod_ruby is seriously lacking compared to fastcgi, so much so that people bend over backwards to make fastcgi work in apache or convert to lighttpd or proxy lighttpd through apache, etc. |
| 00:32.27 | elg | proxying lighttpd through apache isn't hard, I just did it the other day for my rails apps |
| 00:33.14 | elg | as documented here http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/talk/2006-January/000629.html |
| 00:33.35 | elg | ditto |
| 00:33.39 | goozbach | tene is more winningish than me? |
| 00:37.30 | xbmodder_lappy | depends. |
| 00:37.39 | xbmodder_lappy | they are usually nicer than java |
| 00:38.16 | elg | java webservers are still webservers |
| 00:38.28 | elg | and therefore still despicable |
| 01:07.15 | goozbach | ~lart fozzmoo |
| 01:11.01 | goozbach | ~hurry fozzmoo |
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| 01:16.34 | goozbach | invoke goozbach |
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| 01:18.17 | blargfooblarg | invoke goozbach |
| 01:18.58 | blargfooblarg | very well |
| 01:19.02 | blargfooblarg | goodbye |
| 01:19.27 | goozbach | I can't invoke myself |
| 01:19.39 | goozbach | self.invoke() |
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| 01:57.55 | goozbach | ~punk fozzmoo |
| 01:57.57 | ibot | ACTION kicks fozzmoo in the shins |
| 01:58.02 | goozbach | :) |
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| 02:11.47 | xbmodder | hey |
| 02:11.47 | xbmodder | sup |
| 02:15.52 | wps | do I have to run any sort of "make" after editing /etc/aliases ? |
| 02:20.03 | mrpull-x | wps... what mail server are you running? |
| 02:20.11 | wps | sendmail |
| 02:20.24 | mrpull-x | newaliases is a safe bet, but isn't necessary on some servers |
| 02:21.29 | wps | that worked |
| 02:21.43 | mrpull-x | iirc, sendmail requires it.... i think it is a noop on exim |
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| 02:24.32 | wps | thank you |
| 02:34.05 | xbmodder | I zip tied my hands together |
| 02:36.30 | tensai | mrpull-x: you're right. it's unnecessary w/ exim. |
| 02:37.57 | mrpull-x | what about postfix? i haven't broken the habit and still do it everytime. |
| 02:39.04 | tensai | never used postfix |
| 02:39.31 | tensai | elg: you're a postfixer, no? is `newaliases` required? |
| 02:39.45 | elg | yes |
| 02:39.54 | elg | that's the short answer |
| 02:39.59 | elg | the long answer is it depends. :) |
| 02:40.59 | mrpull-x | i like postfix's simplisity, but exim scored some points with me when I set it up with request tracker |
| 02:41.40 | mrpull-x | it querries the RT database so I dont have to create email addresses for each queue |
| 02:43.07 | xbmodder | i zip tied the blood out of my hand |
| 02:43.10 | elg | I once again have use for a portable cygwin on CD, and this time the prospects are much improved. I'm excited |
| 02:43.54 | mrpull-x | xbmodder: why the hell would you do that? |
| 02:44.10 | mrpull-x | elg: tell us more... |
| 02:44.15 | xbmodder | umm. accidentally. |
| 02:44.21 | elg | well, like this |
| 02:44.21 | elg | http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 02:44.22 | brac | [XLiveCD] |
| 02:44.35 | elg | and this http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2003-07/msg01117.html |
| 02:44.36 | brac | [fergus - How to make your own portable Cygwin on CD] |
| 02:45.22 | elg | i don't remember when it was, but last time I tried there was nothing to be found and I fell short of getting it working by my own efforts |
| 02:46.32 | mrpull-x | elg: hey that's cool. i've used the DSL in Windows setup... but that is a nicer solution |
| 02:46.58 | goozbach | xbmodder: welcome to the real world |
| 02:47.07 | goozbach | the one where your body parts need blood |
| 02:48.11 | mrpull-x | DSL uses qemu so it is a bit slow. |
| 02:48.37 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ xbmodder |
| 02:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You may want to fix that |
| 02:48.40 | mrpull-x | xbmodder: how do you "accidentally" deprive a major part of your body of blood? |
| 02:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Hands are, you know, useful |
| 02:49.36 | goozbach | mrpull-x: very carefully |
| 02:49.46 | goozbach | trust me on this one |
| 02:49.50 | elg | It's not clear to me if you have to run X to use XLiveCD |
| 02:50.04 | elg | e.g. whether you can get a meaningful non-X rxvt session going |
| 02:50.10 | elg | I imaging you should be able to, though. |
| 02:50.13 | goozbach | I've personally had quite a few "sounded good at the time" moments |
| 02:50.35 | maquis | goozbach: i want more stories on that... |
| 02:50.36 | maquis | :) |
| 02:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Same, but I want to hear how xbmodder did that first ;) |
| 02:51.58 | goozbach | maquis: you already know the good ones |
| 02:52.11 | maquis | goozbach: there aren't any more good ones? |
| 02:57.11 | xbmodder | unpoke |
| 02:57.49 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd you do exactly? |
| 02:57.56 | xbmodder | umm. |
| 02:58.20 | xbmodder | My friend betted me that I couldn't zip tie my hands behind my back, bring them forward and untie them.. |
| 02:58.32 | xbmodder | and I accidentally pulled one zip tie too much |
| 02:58.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite the friend you have, no offense to either you or him |
| 02:59.08 | xbmodder | he payed me. |
| 02:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains it |
| 03:00.27 | goozbach | quite a few of my "sounded good at the time" events started that way too. |
| 03:02.11 | mrpull-x | uhhh...i'm not letting anybody tie me up |
| 03:02.35 | maquis | guys are dorks |
| 03:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey |
| 03:04.05 | ScytheBlade1 | At least we're entertaining dorks |
| 03:04.59 | maquis | true |
| 03:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "It may be your only purpose in this world is to server as an example to others"... ;) |
| 03:05.27 | ScytheBlade1 | *serve |
| 03:06.34 | goozbach | you know those little packets that come it stuff that say "Do not eat"? |
| 03:06.48 | goozbach | because of me they have a warning now. |
| 03:07.03 | maquis | you ate the stuff in them? |
| 03:07.07 | maquis | why???????? |
| 03:07.36 | ScytheBlade1 | In my case, because it told me not to. |
| 03:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, live and learn. |
| 03:07.58 | goozbach | maquis: it's a simpsons quote |
| 03:08.49 | maquis | oh |
| 03:20.21 | mrpull-x | anybody ever listen to the python411 podcast? |
| 03:20.31 | mrpull-x | it is awful, yet I keep listening |
| 03:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | http://artiloop.blogspot.com/2006/01/how-many-blondes-does-it-take.html |
| 03:26.39 | brac | [Articulatory Loop - Read, Repeat, Remember] |
| 03:27.11 | mrpull-x | in his most recent episode, he says Bram Stoker is the creator of bittorrent. |
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| 04:13.25 | maquis | levi: i'm not the only one that doesn't like tv? |
| 04:13.34 | maquis | the more it's on, the more i dislike it |
| 04:13.42 | levi | maquis: I like some TV shows, but certainly not The Bachelor. |
| 04:13.58 | maquis | levi: oh... but that was our fhe last week |
| 04:14.11 | maquis | that, and friends, and "my very own hilary duff" |
| 04:14.19 | maquis | i decided to not go to fhe this week |
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| 04:16.51 | stuporglue | Anyone using Suse? What does it use for auto mounting disks? |
| 04:17.08 | maquis | ~lart stuporglue |
| 04:17.14 | maquis | :) |
| 04:17.31 | levi | maquis: Your fhe was TV?! |
| 04:17.35 | maquis | stuporglue: sjansen was forcing himself to use sue for a while |
| 04:17.37 | levi | maquis: How lame. |
| 04:17.41 | maquis | levi: yup... that's what it was last week |
| 04:17.47 | maquis | nothing but an hour and a half of tv |
| 04:18.05 | maquis | today, they were going to the movies |
| 04:18.36 | levi | maquis: That's even worse. Can't socialize there. |
| 04:18.53 | levi | maquis: At least with TV, you can ignore the show and chat with someone cute. |
| 04:19.38 | levi | Which is pretty much the point of FHE in college wards, no? |
| 04:21.07 | maquis | that's what i thought |
| 04:21.13 | maquis | that and the spiritual thought and such |
| 04:21.22 | maquis | with the tv, everyone was pretty focused on watching the tv, except me |
| 04:21.25 | maquis | i was just feeling bored |
| 04:21.29 | maquis | so, i ended up leaving |
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| 04:26.11 | roscivs | hey, didn't somebody have vi-like keybindings for mutt? |
| 04:27.16 | xbmodder | dw |
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| 04:30.32 | tensai | doesn't mutt come with vi-like keybindings by default? |
| 04:31.14 | roscivs | tensai: nope ... for example the familiar hjkl do nothing |
| 04:31.24 | maquis | really? |
| 04:31.32 | maquis | they worked on my mutt when i had it |
| 04:31.37 | maquis | i thought so, at least |
| 04:31.41 | roscivs | hmmm... okay, maybe I have to get it more set up then |
| 04:31.44 | maquis | but i stole someone else's .muttrc |
| 04:31.56 | roscivs | I'll get back to you on how much the default .muttrc gives ya :) |
| 04:33.52 | tensai | roscivs: hjkl work as expected for me. I don't see anything in my .muttrc or /etc/Muttrc that would cause that. |
| 04:34.50 | roscivs | k, well I'm having problems getting past the imap part ... |
| 04:35.20 | roscivs | trying to figure out how to specify a different email address from my imap server address |
| 04:36.17 | tensai | elg is the mutt expert. I cobbled together my .muttrc just to the point that it started working. |
| 04:36.49 | roscivs | i've got: |
| 04:36.49 | roscivs | set folder="imaps://ross@imap.ispserver.com/INBOX" |
| 04:37.12 | roscivs | but it then tries to log me in as "ross@imap.ispserver.com" instead of as "ross@mydomain.com" |
| 04:37.17 | roscivs | which obviously doesn't work very well. |
| 04:37.43 | elg | imap.ispserver.com is your imap server, ross is your username |
| 04:37.53 | roscivs | that's correct |
| 04:37.59 | elg | so if your username is ross@mydomain.com, you need something like ross@mydomain.com@imap.ispserver.com |
| 04:38.04 | elg | and who knows if that'll work |
| 04:38.05 | roscivs | ahh. |
| 04:38.29 | elg | you could specify it separate with the appropriate command which I forget, and then just do foler="imaps://imap.ispserver.com/INBOX |
| 04:38.52 | roscivs | the twin ats didn't work. |
| 04:39.03 | ECS | ~lart maquis |
| 04:41.23 | elg | that was fun. I just wrote a vim syntax file for motorola dsp56300 family assembly |
| 04:45.40 | ECS | that's obscure |
| 04:47.06 | roscivs | ah, figured it out. it's when viewing an email that vi keystrokes don't do anything. |
| 04:47.16 | tensai | many mail servers support user%domain for a login because some clients (e.g. netscape 4.x) don't allow @ in the username field |
| 04:47.30 | roscivs | (well, ok, they move you around your inbox, but not around the email itself.) |
| 04:48.39 | roscivs | and h and l do weird things (headers and limits?) rather than movement. |
| 04:50.14 | tensai | yeah, that is weird. I also would prefer normal hjkl behavior. but I only use mutt in a pinch, so I've never worried much about it. |
| 04:51.48 | roscivs | it doesn't have to be great, it just has to better than pine for me to switch, and so far it's failing. |
| 04:56.06 | tensai | eek, pine. mutt beats out pine in my book. |
| 04:56.18 | roscivs | tensai: how so? |
| 04:56.24 | roscivs | it's certainly a lot prettier. |
| 04:56.54 | tensai | well, it's been a long time since I've used pine so my memory is a bit fuzzy |
| 04:57.07 | tensai | every time I pull up nano it gives me the willies |
| 04:57.27 | tensai | I prefer the since keystroke commands rather than ctrl-? |
| 04:57.54 | roscivs | I admit nano is a little annoying sometimes, but (a) it's more than sufficient for composing emails, and (b) you can set up pine to use vi anyway. |
| 04:57.55 | tensai | s/since/single/ |
| 04:58.12 | roscivs | and pine itself has single keystroke commands |
| 04:58.30 | tensai | I guess that's true. see? you've proven that it's been a long time since I used pine. :) |
| 04:58.35 | roscivs | like p/n instead of mutt's j/k |
| 04:58.55 | roscivs | c instead of mutt's m |
| 04:59.27 | tensai | not being able to apt-get install pine is a drawback too |
| 04:59.37 | roscivs | yeah, that's the only thing that ticks me off |
| 04:59.46 | roscivs | and, really, the only reason I'm considering mutt right now, to be honest :) |
| 05:00.34 | tensai | I vastly prefer apt-get to ./configure; make; make install. |
| 05:00.51 | roscivs | oh, well I don't think I've ever done the horrible trio to get pine |
| 05:00.56 | roscivs | there /are/ pine RPMs |
| 05:01.12 | tensai | I'm a purist on my distro too :) |
| 05:01.42 | roscivs | in fact I haven't done ./configure; make; make install for years, hehe. |
| 05:06.44 | levi | Silly purists. |
| 05:09.01 | ECS | ~ethereal |
| 05:09.03 | ibot | GUI network protocol analyzer. URL: http://ethereal.zing.org/, or for the Zaurus @ http://www.cartel-info.fr/pbiondi/zaurus/ |
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| 05:18.02 | xbmodder | I have a 288 table DB. That can't be healthy for MySQL. |
| 05:18.24 | mheath | I've got to say |
| 05:18.37 | mheath | I'm running Ubuntu on one of my desktops now |
| 05:18.46 | mheath | It's actually rather nice, for a desktop. |
| 05:19.02 | xbmodder | 113,621 records. |
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| 05:27.29 | jsmith | xbmodder: That's nothing. |
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| 05:27.42 | jsmith | xbmodder: I've got MySQL databases with tens of thousands of tables... |
| 05:27.46 | dna3e8 | good evening |
| 05:27.53 | jsmith | xbmodder: And tables with hundreds of millions of rows... |
| 05:27.58 | jsmith | dna3e8: Good evening! |
| 05:28.15 | jsmith | xbmodder: MySQL will handle more than you'd expect |
| 05:28.20 | dna3e8 | I need some help. How do you you do WEB REDIRECT |
| 05:28.30 | jsmith | xbmodder: (That being said, I'm not a big fan of MySQL) |
| 05:28.46 | jsmith | dna3e8: I'm not sure I understand your question. |
| 05:29.55 | dna3e8 | I have a web site, I had a CMS in a folder the install died I want to redirect anyone that goes ther eto the new one |
| 05:30.02 | dna3e8 | (html stuff) |
| 05:30.14 | roscivs | is php enabled on the site? |
| 05:30.19 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 05:30.53 | tensai | I use mod_rewrite on my site. |
| 05:30.56 | tensai | RewriteEngine On |
| 05:30.56 | tensai | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/the/old/url/$ |
| 05:30.56 | tensai | RewriteRule ^.*$ http://the.new.url.com/ [R] |
| 05:31.00 | roscivs | just make a one-line php file: |
| 05:31.00 | roscivs | <? header("Location: http://newsite/"); ?> |
| 05:31.22 | roscivs | mod_rewrite (or just apache conf rules) are much better if you have access to that. |
| 05:31.36 | roscivs | but the php file is a quick and easy way. |
| 05:31.40 | tensai | there's also the html hack. I prefer server-side solutions, such as mod_rewrite or roscivs's php solution |
| 05:31.59 | dna3e8 | is this in a web page |
| 05:32.18 | tensai | mod_rewrite config goes in httpd.conf or .htaccess |
| 05:32.30 | roscivs | the php line goes in a file called "index.php" |
| 05:33.05 | roscivs | (it can be any file of course, but index.php will get picked up by anyone browsing to that url without a filename specified) |
| 05:38.52 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, ok. A) its meh. B) I did it in like 5 minutes.... |
| 05:39.14 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Ok... |
| 05:39.26 | jsmith | Later all... |
| 05:39.35 | xbmodder_lappy | bw |
| 05:39.37 | xbmodder_lappy | bye |
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| 05:43.15 | dna3e8 | tensai what do I change for my server : RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^/the/old/url/$ I want any requests the containing folder or deeper to go 'here' |
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| 07:04.09 | findlay | Hhhhhh? |
| 07:04.44 | findlay | anyway, so our apartment comples owners decide not to pay our apartment's electric bill for the past two months |
| 07:05.07 | findlay | and this morning Provo city put a 12 A governer on our meter |
| 07:05.34 | findlay | so there goes my uptime, not that I really care, of course |
| 07:05.51 | findlay | (: |
| 07:06.00 | maquis | findlay: ouch! |
| 07:06.20 | maquis | can't you... do something about that with your landlord/landlady? |
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| 07:06.56 | findlay | but before I get home from work one of my roomates tested the governer by turning on all the oven burners and all the lights |
| 07:07.17 | findlay | so I guess he was successful in exceeding 12 A |
| 07:07.21 | findlay | (: |
| 07:09.15 | findlay | maquis: it seems they neglected to only pay the utility bills for two apartments in the whole complex, which seems odd |
| 07:13.32 | maquis | that is weird |
| 07:13.41 | maquis | my complex, we pay our own electric bills |
| 07:21.20 | findlay | maquis: yeah, so do we, but I guess management isn't straightforwardly sending them on to the utility company |
| 07:21.47 | maquis | we send them directly to the utility company |
| 07:21.53 | maquis | we get the bill, it's in one of our names |
| 07:21.57 | maquis | and then we send it along |
| 07:22.01 | maquis | i'm in charge of electric bill |
| 07:22.42 | maquis | one of hte other girls is in charge of the cable bill (and she decided it wasn't important enough until they shut that off for a week... i'd asked if we owed anything and she was like "no...."... then we got shut off...) |
| 07:34.37 | findlay | maquis: do you think paying directly is better? |
| 07:35.28 | findlay | our complex just got sold last summer. The old landlord was awesome. I'm not so sure about the new people |
| 07:41.23 | maquis | findlay: i think i'd prefer not paying directly, so long as the landlord is responsible |
| 07:41.36 | maquis | that way, you avoid roommate issues (of which i have lots) |
| 07:42.08 | maquis | without roommates, i'm not certain |
| 07:42.37 | maquis | but with roommates, paying to the landlord and letting him deal with your roommates is a better option |
| 08:02.11 | findlay | but when you have to deal with your landlord, that's a bigger problem |
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| 16:09.21 | emcnabb | good morning all |
| 16:10.16 | jsmith | Morning emcnabb |
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| 16:12.17 | ECS | goodnight |
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| 16:18.53 | goozbach | good morning |
| 16:20.26 | goozbach | great morning! |
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| 16:22.54 | graphyx | how do you pull just the first value off of a split in perl? split ("x",y)[0]? |
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| 16:27.15 | goozbach | woot! I broke into the top 100 in #idlerpg |
| 16:27.23 | goozbach | #96 |
| 16:28.21 | graphyx | goozbach. |
| 16:28.30 | graphyx | It's one of those things.. it just takes time. |
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| 16:30.37 | goozbach | YEEHAH!!! http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29340 |
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| 16:32.17 | neybar_work | graphyx: if you want just the first val then you can do $val = (split(/\s/, "1 2 3 4"))[0]; |
| 16:33.19 | neybar_work | the trick is the outer parenthesis around the split statement and then the array indicator [n] |
| 16:36.44 | graphyx | neybar_work: Thanks. |
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| 16:49.58 | sjansen | gvim _so_ needs tabs |
| 16:51.05 | goozbach | ohh that'd be cool |
| 16:51.34 | levi | Microsoft's evilness bubbles to the surface: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/30/msft_our_drm_licensi.html |
| 16:55.32 | amcnabb | The new Despair.com podcast is awesome. |
| 16:55.43 | goozbach | http://www.all-tribes.info/hotstuffs/index.php?2006/01/20/1-first-post |
| 16:56.08 | goozbach | how to build a t-shirt folding machine |
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| 17:01.32 | elg | heh |
| 17:20.07 | sjansen | map G <c-w> |
| 17:20.10 | sjansen | ~bless Vim |
| 17:20.12 | ibot | O $DEITY, bless our child Vim, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 17:37.35 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 17:37.40 | Hhhhh | hi |
| 17:37.47 | xbmodder-treo | going to learn trigonometry. |
| 17:38.02 | xbmodder-treo | :( |
| 17:38.03 | Hhhhh | good stuff |
| 17:38.08 | Hhhhh | seriously |
| 17:38.18 | Hhhhh | if you ever anna make 3 |
| 17:38.18 | Hhhhh | D games |
| 17:38.30 | Hhhhh | trig and linear algebra are a must have |
| 17:38.47 | xbmodder-treo | :( I hate game writing. |
| 17:38.54 | Hhhhh | hehe |
| 17:38.55 | xbmodder-treo | I am afraid. |
| 17:40.01 | emcnabb | a hard core Xbox modder should not be afraid of Trig (or game writing) |
| 17:40.18 | Hhhhh | w00t!!! |
| 17:40.19 | Hhhhh | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/31/google_goes_desktop_linux/ |
| 17:40.21 | brac | [Google at work on desktop Linux | The Register] |
| 17:40.24 | Hhhhh | Goobuntu! |
| 17:40.47 | Hhhhh | this is awesome |
| 17:41.50 | sjansen | This is a rumor. I still don't see the business reason for Google to go head-to-head with Microsoft. |
| 17:42.30 | Jayce^ | sjansen, they want more chairs thrown at them |
| 17:42.59 | Hhhhh | Google attacks with software, M$ counterattacks with chairs |
| 17:43.02 | emcnabb | well, they are going head to head in many areas; why not one more? |
| 17:43.15 | emcnabb | (although Windows is a major stronghold) |
| 17:50.09 | goozbach | "Peanut butter Jelly time! |
| 17:50.10 | goozbach | " |
| 17:50.48 | graphyx | Hhhhh: Wouldn't that be Microsoft counters with laywers? |
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| 18:02.10 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - just think, what if M$ indirectly forced everyone to use MSN through their OS - Google would lose market share |
| 18:02.15 | Uncle_Jesse | and think Google ads on the desktop |
| 18:02.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Remember, Google is purely an advertising business |
| 18:35.18 | sjansen | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2416 |
| 18:36.57 | jsmith | sjansen: Good one... |
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| 18:56.30 | findlay_work | how does one map a samba share on windows98? |
| 18:57.30 | tensai | tools->map network drive, \\samba-server\share-name |
| 18:57.51 | findlay_work | tensai: doesn't work |
| 18:58.08 | tensai | can you browse to \\samba-server? |
| 18:58.23 | findlay_work | no |
| 18:59.17 | tensai | nbtstat -a samba-server |
| 19:00.13 | findlay_work | tensai: does samba-server refer to the hostname/IP of the Linux box running samba? |
| 19:00.18 | tensai | yes |
| 19:01.05 | tensai | can you connect to samba locally with smbclient? |
| 19:03.31 | findlay_work | what's a "hello world" usage example for smbclient? |
| 19:04.18 | tensai | smbclient -U username -L samba-server |
| 19:04.38 | tensai | which is functionally equivilent to nbtstat -a samba-server |
| 19:05.26 | findlay_work | "Anonymous login successful" |
| 19:05.42 | findlay_work | heh, I thought you meant "netstat -a samba-server" |
| 19:07.05 | findlay_work | so smbclient appears to work, I just can't coerce windows98 to use the samba server |
| 19:08.01 | tensai | is it a username conflict? win98 has no way to specify a username. I can't recall where it gets the username from, but it can only use 1. |
| 19:08.22 | tensai | are the server and client on the same subnet? |
| 19:08.59 | findlay_work | win98 $ nbtstat -a 192.168.1.99 \n Host not found. |
| 19:09.10 | findlay_work | tensai: yes |
| 19:10.20 | tensai | anything show up in the samba log? |
| 19:10.50 | tensai | try nbtstat -A 192.168.1.99 |
| 19:11.19 | findlay_work | nothing in smbd.log |
| 19:11.53 | tensai | can you ping the server from the win98 box? |
| 19:12.29 | findlay_work | yes |
| 19:13.30 | tensai | firewall on the server? |
| 19:13.35 | findlay_work | yes |
| 19:13.47 | tensai | is it blocking ports 135-139? |
| 19:14.23 | findlay_work | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state NEW tcp dpt:netbios-ssn |
| 19:16.23 | findlay_work | so it's blocking 135-138, then |
| 19:17.17 | tensai | port 135, 137, and 138 are used for something else although I'm not 100% sure what. name resolution for one, but I don't know the details. |
| 19:17.30 | tensai | if all you have is 139 open you still should be able to browse by IP |
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| 19:18.03 | tensai | win98 won't use port 445 without the directory services client which you'd have to install |
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| 19:19.49 | tensai | and browsing to \\192.168.1.99 really doesn't pull it up? |
| 19:19.57 | tensai | have you tried putting a packet sniffer on the server? |
| 19:20.08 | findlay_work | tcpdump |
| 19:20.11 | tensai | # tcpdump -np host ip.of.the.client |
| 19:21.08 | tensai | have you set 192.168.1.99 as your WINS server? have you enabled WINS in samba? |
| 19:21.30 | findlay_work | tensai: let me make sure of the server's share path. Is it exactly the path variable set in the /etc/samba/smb.conf share definition, i.e. no leading /share/? |
| 19:21.48 | findlay_work | tensai: tried both ways |
| 19:22.23 | tensai | the share name is whatever is inside the [], e.g. [foobar] would be \\192.168.1.99\foobar |
| 19:22.40 | findlay_work | k |
| 19:23.06 | findlay_work | wow. 154056 packets captured |
| 19:23.33 | tensai | that's a lot of packets |
| 19:23.47 | findlay_work | yup and from one machine too |
| 19:24.07 | tensai | what ports? |
| 19:25.25 | findlay_work | looks like it's looping scanning for some reason through all nonprivileged ports |
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| 19:26.48 | findlay_work | wierd |
| 19:37.26 | findlay_work | tensai: opened the ports, still admin prohibited |
| 19:52.17 | elg | is nano 1e-12 or 1e-9? |
| 19:52.43 | elg | ~poke findlay |
| 19:52.44 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, elg? findlay_work? |
| 19:52.53 | elg | sounds good |
| 19:53.08 | graphyx | ~convert nanometers to meters |
| 19:53.48 | sjansen | ~convert graphyx to elg |
| 19:54.08 | graphyx | ~poke findlay |
| 19:54.09 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, graphyx? tiwula? |
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| 20:00.35 | findlay_work | ~lart windows networking! |
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| 20:09.55 | sjansen | emcnabb will make you want to jump! jump! |
| 20:10.14 | emcnabb | um... yeah... |
| 20:10.26 | emcnabb | jump everyone, jump! |
| 20:10.42 | findlay_work | how do I know nmdb is listening on port 137? |
| 20:13.39 | sjansen | Look everyone! emcnabb is wearing his pants backwards! |
| 20:14.46 | emcnabb | um... yeah... |
| 20:15.07 | tensai | findlay_work: netstat -lnup |
| 20:17.46 | sjansen | http://www.mchawking.com/ |
| 20:17.46 | brac | [MC Hawking's Crib] |
| 20:24.08 | findlay_work | stupid windows |
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| 20:39.48 | findlay_work | sweet |
| 20:39.54 | findlay_work | tensai: thanks |
| 20:39.56 | findlay_work | (: |
| 20:40.07 | tensai | is it working? |
| 20:40.18 | findlay_work | wrong protocol in iptables rules |
| 20:40.25 | findlay_work | s/tcp/udp/ |
| 20:42.44 | findlay_work | duh |
| 20:42.48 | findlay_work | anyway |
| 20:43.03 | findlay_work | have to go to job #2 |
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| 21:41.00 | dataw0lf | anyone used the BundleBuilder tool for OS X Python apps? |
| 21:41.31 | jsmith | nope |
| 21:43.34 | dataw0lf | I need to distribute this internal application to about a dozen OS X users and a fellow developer mentioned BundleBuilder as a good option, hoping to get second opinions. |
| 21:51.38 | sjansen | http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/007954.php <-- I know places where that would be an improvement. |
| 21:54.52 | sjansen | http://europe.nanarchy.org/a_toilet.jpg <-- From the comments, supposedly Amsterdam already has open-air, public urinals. The thing next to the bikes. |
| 21:56.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, things like that have existed there since the middle ages |
| 21:56.59 | sjansen | There's another... uhmm... interesting link about the Netherlands in the comments, but I'll let the curious find it themselves. |
| 21:58.20 | sjansen | More of less work safe, but you'll probably get some odd looks. |
| 21:59.37 | Uncle_Jesse | who needs a public urinal - in Thailand you just find a place and go |
| 22:01.11 | sjansen | Like I said, I know places where an open-air, public urinal would be an improvement. |
| 22:08.54 | emcnabb | I guess I'm a sellout now |
| 22:09.06 | emcnabb | or so says sjansen |
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| 22:14.13 | dataw0lf | sjansen: yea, they have public, open air urinals. You'll even use em when you get drunk enough. |
| 22:14.44 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.starwars.com/community/news/rocks/f20060127/index.html |
| 22:14.46 | brac | [Star Wars: Community | Putting Star Wars to the MythBusters Test] |
| 22:38.48 | Tene | So... a long time ago I went to a byu uug presentation on regexes |
| 22:39.56 | Tene | and a web-based tool was demonstrated that showed how a regex was broken down and compiled |
| 22:40.13 | emcnabb | my copy of Windows Vista beta is on its way |
| 22:40.27 | Tene | the link that I had was http://lug-nut.com/tools.html, but that just links to a blog now. |
| 22:42.28 | lars-ut | emcnabb: let me know how the integrated image-editing is - I was looking at a magazine recently, and I was impressed. More impressed by the new vector replacement for GDI though. |
| 22:42.29 | levi | Tene: What do you mean, how it was broken down and compiled? |
| 22:43.13 | Tene | it displayed the "nodes" that perl understood, I believe |
| 22:43.31 | Tene | My memory is rather vague... |
| 22:43.37 | emcnabb | lars-ut: will do |
| 22:43.45 | tensai | does this look wrong to anybody else? |
| 22:43.47 | levi | I'm not familiar with what a "node" might be in that context. |
| 22:43.47 | tensai | # df |
| 22:43.48 | tensai | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:43.48 | tensai | /dev/hda1 -1258697186802 1 0 9% / |
| 22:44.07 | lars-ut | never seen that before |
| 22:44.36 | lars-ut | tensai: do you owe the Filesystem $ |
| 22:44.36 | levi | Tene: There's this: http://www.weitz.de/regex-coach/ |
| 22:45.24 | lars-ut | tensai: fdisk -l |
| 22:45.33 | lars-ut | same weirdness? |
| 22:45.43 | tensai | lars-ut: no. looks good there. |
| 22:45.46 | levi | Tene: It's not an online tool, but maybe it will show the info you want. |
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| 22:46.48 | Bradipo | tensai: I've seen that happen before. Don't recall if there was any fixing it. It was a corrupted disk. |
| 22:46.49 | lars-ut | ~lart hell-ro |
| 22:47.11 | Bradipo | Either that or a corrupted reiserfs filesystem. :-) |
| 22:47.14 | hell-ro | ibot: lars-ut bites the big one |
| 22:47.15 | tensai | Bradipo: eek. that's not good, but pretty much what I guessed |
| 22:47.28 | Bradipo | Well, if the disk is going bad dmesg may have something in it about it. |
| 22:47.28 | tensai | Bradipo: this one is ext2 |
| 22:47.31 | hell-ro | ~ibot: lars-ut bites the big one |
| 22:47.35 | lukfugl|work | hmm, anyone know how to do an efficient seek based on newlines into a very large file? |
| 22:47.35 | lars-ut | tensai: fsck it. |
| 22:47.36 | hell-ro | damn |
| 22:47.40 | Jayce^ | Tene, that link is on my old box, I could find it sometime and repost it, but it's pretty basic stuff that you can grab from cpan |
| 22:48.03 | Bradipo | lukfugl|work: You want to count the number of newlines? |
| 22:48.07 | lukfugl|work | e.g. the file has 26M lines, I want to seek to the beginning of the 20M'th line |
| 22:48.08 | hell-ro | ~lart lars-ut |
| 22:48.22 | Tene | I suppose that wasn't the right link, then. I just remembered a website and saw a link in the sketchy, unorganized notes. |
| 22:48.31 | lars-ut | ~sacrifice hell-ro |
| 22:48.33 | ibot | ACTION sacrifices hell-ro on an altar of Windows EULAs soaked in the blood of Perl. |
| 22:48.35 | Jayce^ | Tene, no, that was the right link |
| 22:48.45 | Bradipo | lukfugl|work: Some combination of tail and head maybe? |
| 22:48.46 | Jayce^ | I've just changed boxes, and never moved that |
| 22:48.48 | lukfugl|work | Bradipo: not just count, but seek in, so I can start reading line by line |
| 22:49.02 | hell-ro | ~beat lars-ut |
| 22:49.04 | ibot | ACTION beats lars-ut with a large stick. |
| 22:49.04 | Jayce^ | so it's default pathing you to the blog |
| 22:49.08 | lukfugl|work | Bradipo: except I'm doing it from within perl, not on the command line (otherwise, yes, that's exactly what I'd do) |
| 22:49.12 | Tene | Jayce^: it showed Pretty Pictures of how perl understood regexes. |
| 22:49.18 | Jayce^ | yeah.. |
| 22:49.29 | lars-ut | ~cokezero hell-ro |
| 22:49.31 | ibot | ACTION puts an iv in hell-ro and forces 120 ounces of Coke Zero into his veins |
| 22:49.43 | lars-ut | about time. |
| 22:49.54 | Tene | Oh, I thought you were saying that that page just had some mirrors of a few cpan modules |
| 22:49.59 | hell-ro | it was the coke zero that did it, it'll kill anyone |
| 22:50.08 | lukfugl|work | I guess I could go try and find the source for tail and see what it's doing, but I thought I'd ask first :) |
| 22:50.20 | Jayce^ | no, it did a few things, and the part you want there was drawn using http://search.cpan.org/dist/GraphViz/lib/GraphViz/Regex.pm |
| 22:50.34 | Jayce^ | it did a bit more than that too, but the picture was generated by that |
| 22:50.40 | RyanE_ | Tene: This one isn't Perl, but might be good: http://www.rexv.org/ |
| 22:50.45 | brac | [-] |
| 22:50.46 | RyanE_ | JS-based... |
| 22:50.54 | lukfugl|work | hmm, so now to figure out where to find the source for tail :) |
| 22:51.00 | levi | Tene: Did you see the app I pointed you to? |
| 22:51.16 | RyanE_ | Tene: nevermind... I didn't read that you wanted perl node breakdown |
| 22:51.17 | Tene | levi: yes, I did. |
| 22:51.19 | RyanE_ | duh |
| 22:52.09 | Jayce^ | yeah, I guess if I did mine again, I'd do some fancy ajax one, but that one I did in about 20 mins before the presentation :) |
| 22:52.21 | Jayce^ | it also broke down the perl optimization of the regex.. |
| 22:52.35 | Jayce^ | the graph shows you the tokenization of the 'program' |
| 22:53.00 | Jayce^ | you can grab the way it is *run* by doing "use re qw( debugcolor );" |
| 22:53.14 | Jayce^ | that's a very handy tool to debug/profile/etc |
| 22:53.21 | levi | Jayce^: Boy, it sounds like you have quite a bit of experience with Perl. How come you haven't switched to Python yet? ;) |
| 22:53.27 | Jayce^ | lol |
| 22:53.50 | Jayce^ | I tried python when I was trying perl, and stuck with the winner... |
| 22:54.12 | levi | I know, we had that discussion before. :) |
| 22:54.18 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 22:55.25 | levi | I just had to poke some fun at jellis. |
| 22:56.23 | Jayce^ | surprised he doesn't come in here and stir things up |
| 22:56.55 | levi | It's easier to shout someone down here. |
| 22:59.15 | dataw0lf | is he starting again? |
| 22:59.24 | levi | Tene: One of the cool things it does is let you step through the matching of the regex. |
| 22:59.44 | levi | dataw0lf: Not that I know of. |
| 23:00.12 | Tene | levi: pretty cool |
| 23:00.50 | sjansen | argh |
| 23:00.57 | dataw0lf | levi: whew |
| 23:01.10 | levi | Tene: It's interesting to see the steps the matching machine actually takes. |
| 23:01.16 | lukfugl|work | hmm, anyone know where I should look for the source to tail or wc or other such core utils? |
| 23:03.29 | lukfugl|work | nevermind, found it (google: tail.c) |
| 23:04.02 | dataw0lf | apt-get source coreutils |
| 23:05.05 | lukfugl|work | dataw0lf: not on a box I have install privileges on. I just need to peruse them anyways, and found the BSD source with the google mentioned |
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| 23:05.29 | dataw0lf | lukfugl|work: you don't need install privs to grab source packages |
| 23:05.32 | dataw0lf | but gotcha |
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| 23:18.24 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 23:18.24 | xbmodder_lappy | sup |
| 23:49.23 | sjansen | )(&*%)*(^)(* |
| 23:50.04 | sjansen | glob.glob('actions/[^_]*.py') <-- This is Python code. Can you guess a filename that will be matched? |
| 23:50.55 | sjansen | If you guessed that foo.py would match but _foo.py would not, you don't know Python well enough. |
| 23:51.21 | synic | k, so what would it match? |
| 23:51.30 | sjansen | The exact opposite. |
| 23:51.45 | synic | well that's whack |
| 23:51.51 | sjansen | Python wants: glob.glob('actions/[!_]*.py') |
| 23:51.51 | synic | can you explain why? |
| 23:52.18 | sjansen | Because, of course, doing globbing the same way as the shell isn't obvious enough. |
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| 23:53.33 | RyanE_ | sjansen: the real answer is 'Because, of course, that's how Guido wants it, so shut up and use it!' |
| 23:54.06 | sjansen | Why can't everyone just use Ruby and be happy? |
| 23:55.24 | lukfugl|work | :) |
