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| 00:54.30 | findlay | somebody say something |
| 00:54.46 | QBFreak | no |
| 01:10.34 | maquis | findlay: nobody's here |
| 01:10.38 | maquis | you are all alone |
| 01:20.39 | levi | It is very dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| 01:24.29 | findlay | oooohhh |
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| 01:41.19 | xbmodder_lappy | This is _bad_ |
| 01:41.26 | xbmodder_lappy | someone hacked my wireless network. |
| 01:42.53 | findlay | was your passwd "Administrator"? |
| 01:44.34 | xbmodder_lappy | no... |
| 01:44.47 | xbmodder_lappy | i think they are replaying |
| 01:58.00 | emcnabb | yum... the big pot of curry is almost done |
| 02:12.17 | findlay | yum is so slow |
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| 02:31.31 | emcnabb | findlay: the version in rawhide finally has some forms of caching enabled, so it should be getting better soon |
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| 02:38.15 | goozbach | ok, I'm pissed |
| 02:39.22 | goozbach | not only is my hotel forever away from the training center |
| 02:39.44 | goozbach | but there's no internet access |
| 03:10.19 | maquis | goozbach: sucky |
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| 03:48.24 | goozbach | not even an iron |
| 03:54.00 | maquis | goozbach: why are you so far away from the training center? why couldn't you get someplace closer? |
| 04:17.04 | levi | Heh, I just discovered that the protagonist in the movie Tron, whose name was Alan, is named after Alan Kay. |
| 04:22.27 | xbmodder_lappy | How does xMission advertise? |
| 04:23.26 | xbmodder_lappy | Sleep at the training center |
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| 06:45.38 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 06:47.50 | xbmodder_lappy | I was wondering: What is the easiest way I can get a job over SSH and phones? |
| 07:08.47 | QBFreak | ? |
| 07:09.35 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, what do you mean "?" |
| 07:10.01 | QBFreak | I'm trying to understand your question |
| 07:10.47 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 07:10.50 | xbmodder_lappy | I need a job |
| 07:10.52 | xbmodder_lappy | I can't move |
| 07:11.05 | xbmodder_lappy | So like telecommuting / consulting over SSH and phones |
| 07:11.16 | QBFreak | ahhh ok |
| 07:17.20 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, any ideas? |
| 07:17.47 | QBFreak | not really, I'm looking for an IT job that I wouldn't have to telecommute to and I havn't found one yet |
| 07:17.56 | QBFreak | well, I'd take either actually |
| 07:18.18 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, so your competition.. |
| 07:19.02 | QBFreak | doubtful, I'm a good ways away |
| 07:19.08 | findlay | ~compete xbmodder_lappy QBFreak |
| 07:26.30 | levi | A most interesting book: http://www.rheingold.com/texts/tft/index.html |
| 07:26.31 | brac | [howard rheingold's | tools for thought] |
| 07:28.19 | xbmodder_lappy | i own QBFreak on google |
| 07:28.36 | QBFreak | say what? |
| 07:28.41 | findlay | I own google on xbmodder_lappy |
| 07:29.46 | xbmodder_lappy | can you lose with a name like findlay |
| 07:29.48 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:30.16 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf.. |
| 07:30.19 | xbmodder_lappy | something is wrong |
| 07:32.33 | levi | You should all read the book at the link I posted. The text is online. |
| 07:32.50 | QBFreak | and here I was hoping to go to bed soon :) |
| 07:34.23 | levi | The book is about the history of computing and the people who have shaped it. |
| 07:36.23 | levi | It goes from Babbage and Lovelace up to Xerox PARC and a little beyond, so it's got a lot of information that's not in more popular ones, which tend to focus on Gates and Jobs, who really didn't advance things so much as market them. |
| 07:36.31 | findlay | it all started with the abacus |
| 07:36.40 | QBFreak | levi: yeah |
| 07:37.27 | findlay | You have to mention guys like Turing though, and maybe even Tesla |
| 07:37.33 | QBFreak | ever read The Cuckoo's Egg? its not really a history but it gives an interesting look into the internet back in the 80s (?) |
| 07:37.54 | QBFreak | ony of my favorite books, I actually wore it out :) |
| 07:38.07 | levi | findlay: Sure, but Babbage certainly predates Turing. |
| 07:38.25 | findlay | well, shows what I know |
| 07:38.27 | findlay | (: |
| 07:38.48 | findlay | does he predate Tesla? |
| 07:39.09 | levi | Not sure. |
| 07:39.52 | levi | Yes, he did. |
| 07:40.16 | QBFreak | I read about a tinker-toy contraption that played tic-tac-toe somewhere, quite interesting |
| 07:40.53 | findlay | All I remember of Tesla related to computing was his radio controlled devices and that he patented the logical AND circuit, whatever that means |
| 07:40.57 | levi | QBFreak: Possibly modeled after the tic-tac-toe machine Babbage and Lovelace designed. |
| 07:41.07 | QBFreak | I think it was...not sure |
| 07:41.34 | levi | findlay: Babbage invented the 'difference engine', which was a mechanical computer he wanted to build. |
| 07:42.37 | levi | findlay: Ada Lovelace, who was a gifted mathematician, thought the design was beautiful and helped him expand the idea. She came up with looping instructions for it, and the idea of a conditional jump. |
| 07:42.53 | findlay | Leibnitz invented a mechanical calculator in the 1600s |
| 07:43.08 | findlay | ha |
| 07:43.21 | findlay | (: |
| 07:43.33 | levi | Could you program it? |
| 07:44.01 | findlay | levi: no, not a general purpose computer, since it only did + - * / |
| 07:44.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate proxy abusers |
| 07:44.11 | levi | Babbage invented a stored-program computer, not a mere calculator. |
| 07:44.42 | levi | Not that a mechanical calculator isn't cool in its own right. |
| 07:45.18 | findlay | but it's easily argued that an abacus is not much more primitive, or even stones on the beach |
| 07:45.53 | levi | Than a mechanical calculator? Sure. |
| 07:46.02 | levi | That's why Babbage's invention was so impressive. |
| 07:46.44 | findlay | levi: I believe you, and think you're right, but for a beginner can you be more specific as to what made his machine stand apart from mere mechanical calculators? |
| 07:48.22 | findlay | ~dict monad |
| 07:48.30 | levi | findlay: Previous devices were analog, but Babbage's was digital. It also combined arithmetic and logical functions. |
| 07:49.08 | levi | It could also be programmed via punched cards. |
| 07:49.35 | findlay | Leibnitz was also an important logician |
| 07:50.00 | QBFreak | Levi: are you thinking of the analytical engine? |
| 07:50.00 | levi | Indeed. |
| 07:50.14 | levi | QBFreak: Er, yes, sorry. |
| 07:50.36 | QBFreak | I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't reading about it at that moment :) |
| 07:51.40 | findlay | Leibnitz was basically a multi-dimensional genius |
| 07:51.42 | levi | Although Babbage also made a difference engine. |
| 07:52.11 | QBFreak | yeah, it came first |
| 07:52.35 | findlay | Leibnitz also invented (discovered) binary numbers |
| 07:54.42 | findlay | "Modern electronic digital computers replace Leibniz's marbles moving by gravity ... but otherwise they run roughly as Leibniz envisioned in 1679." |
| 07:54.53 | findlay | from wikipedia |
| 07:57.37 | levi | findlay: From the same paragraph: [He] was groping towards hardware and software concepts worked out much later by Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace |
| 07:57.59 | findlay | right |
| 07:58.12 | findlay | meaning he was thinking about the same things |
| 07:58.40 | levi | Anyway, you should read the book I posted the URL of. |
| 07:59.14 | findlay | For a man as busy as Leibnitz was, it's not surprising he never worked out his system of symbolic logic and computing machines |
| 08:04.16 | levi | Ada was the daughter of the poet Lord Byron. |
| 08:05.21 | levi | She never saw him after she was a few months old, since her parents separated. Her mother encouraged her to study mathematics so she wouldn't be inclined to follow in her father's footsteps. : |
| 08:05.25 | levi | :) |
| 08:06.07 | levi | Unfortunately she died young of cancer, which didn't help Babbage's progress at all. |
| 08:06.21 | levi | Perhaps if she'd lived, they would have been able to build the Analytical Engine. |
| 08:06.35 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 08:07.17 | QBFreak | ARG *beats bash* |
| 08:07.32 | QBFreak | let: LASTHOUR=08: value too great for base (error token is "08") |
| 08:07.59 | QBFreak | it doesn't like the leading 0 :( |
| 08:14.31 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 08:18.28 | maquis | erm... |
| 08:18.34 | maquis | can anyone help with a weird issue? |
| 08:18.42 | maquis | ls shows a file |
| 08:18.49 | maquis | ls -lh shows that that file is executable |
| 08:18.58 | maquis | if i try to execute it, it tells me there's no such file or directory |
| 08:19.18 | QBFreak | binary or interpreted? |
| 08:19.29 | maquis | QBFreak: binary |
| 08:19.31 | maquis | it's a.out |
| 08:19.32 | maquis | :) |
| 08:19.51 | QBFreak | ah dunno |
| 08:19.51 | levi | maquis: If malloc is failing, you've probably screwed up your memory management somewhere. |
| 08:20.01 | maquis | levi: yeah... i know that |
| 08:20.20 | maquis | i'm trying to figure out where electricfence installed itself to |
| 08:20.23 | levi | Alas, the perils of C programming. |
| 08:20.45 | QBFreak | or brac, I forget who it was |
| 08:20.55 | QBFreak | -weather KEQY |
| 08:20.56 | brac | 28 minutes ago, on Mon Jan 30 07:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the Southwest at KEQY. The temperature was 12.8 degrees Celsius (55.0 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1010 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 93.0%. There were scattered clouds at a height of 427 meters (1400 feet). |
| 08:21.06 | QBFreak | hey hey, it works now |
| 08:21.07 | levi | maquis: If you get a 'no such file or directory' error upon execution, it's probably trying to dynamically link to a file that doesn't exist or something. |
| 08:21.20 | levi | maquis: Try ldd on it and see if the requisite libraries exist. |
| 08:22.36 | maquis | :) |
| 08:22.37 | maquis | that's probably the problem |
| 08:23.49 | levi | It would if you ran it on a compatible system. |
| 08:24.02 | QBFreak | !help weather |
| 08:24.08 | QBFreak | err, wrong char |
| 08:24.13 | QBFreak | -help weather |
| 08:24.13 | brac | weather <ICAO> => display the current weather at the location specified by the ICAO code [Lookup your ICAO code at http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml - this will also store the ICAO against your nick, so you can later just say "weather", weather => display the current weather at the location you last asked for |
| 08:24.19 | maquis | levi: yeah |
| 08:24.22 | maquis | it works now.. |
| 08:24.27 | maquis | .except it has malloc fail over there too |
| 08:24.33 | maquis | valgrind isn't exceptionally helpful |
| 08:25.06 | levi | Of course. You're freeing something that's not malloced, or freeing twice, or something like that. |
| 08:25.12 | levi | Why are you using C? |
| 08:25.34 | maquis | levi: because we need to |
| 08:25.55 | levi | That's too bad. Why? |
| 08:26.14 | maquis | because our prof says that anything else generally runs too slow for the later projects |
| 08:26.23 | maquis | and this is the base of all the later projects |
| 08:26.50 | levi | What class? |
| 08:26.56 | maquis | machine learning |
| 08:27.20 | levi | Bah. |
| 08:27.42 | xbmodder_lappy | oh crap |
| 08:27.55 | QBFreak | flush the treo this time? |
| 08:27.57 | levi | maquis: You should prove him wrong. |
| 08:28.00 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, lol |
| 08:28.02 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 08:28.04 | maquis | levi: i doubt i could |
| 08:28.15 | QBFreak | asm! |
| 08:28.19 | levi | maquis: What is the assignment? |
| 08:28.38 | maquis | well... this one is a parser that sticks everything in the data structures for the rest of the projects |
| 08:29.09 | maquis | the problem is... some of the files are around 1000 lines, and have 300 characters / line, and i have to stick them in a rather odd data structure to hold all the data |
| 08:29.54 | levi | Those don't sound like particularly difficult problems if you aren't using a brain-dead language. |
| 08:30.08 | maquis | levi: this particular piece isn't |
| 08:30.14 | maquis | but i have to build everything else on top of it |
| 08:30.39 | levi | maquis: Is there a web page with the assignments and such you'll have to complete? |
| 08:31.17 | maquis | http://axon.cs.byu.edu/Dan/478/homework/cs478.homework.html |
| 08:31.19 | brac | [CS478 Homework Page] |
| 08:37.19 | levi | maquis: I don't see why a well-written Java implementation, for example, wouldn't be fast enough. |
| 08:37.34 | maquis | levi: he said that he's never seen a java implementation that didn't take forever |
| 08:37.44 | maquis | and given that java is one of the languages i know least, i doubt i'd break that record |
| 08:38.02 | maquis | (out of the languages i've ever used) |
| 08:38.52 | levi | I wonder when the last time someone attempted a Java program was. |
| 08:39.05 | maquis | last semester |
| 08:39.10 | levi | Hmm. |
| 08:39.11 | maquis | i knew someone who did a java implementation |
| 08:39.28 | maquis | he was running his program for 3+ hours on some projects |
| 08:40.05 | levi | It would have been interesting to profile it and see why it was so slow. |
| 08:40.38 | maquis | probably the size of the input? |
| 08:40.55 | levi | That doesn't vary between C and Java implementations. |
| 08:42.03 | maquis | true |
| 08:42.05 | maquis | but... |
| 08:43.22 | maquis | 204 allocs, 200 frees |
| 08:43.23 | levi | One of the BYU CS professors came and gave a talk on graduate-level machine learning stuff they're doing, and it was all in Java. |
| 08:43.35 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.47 | maquis | that's 4 big allocs |
| 08:45.15 | levi | I'll bet a program written in Scheme that could be compiled with the Stalin Scheme compiler would be plenty fast. |
| 08:45.27 | maquis | feel free to try |
| 08:45.31 | maquis | i'm going to stick with C |
| 08:45.32 | levi | And I'm certain an ML program would be fast enough. |
| 08:45.46 | maquis | my scheme comes out as spaghetti |
| 08:45.53 | maquis | and ugly spaghetti at that |
| 08:46.55 | levi | You just need practice with it. |
| 08:48.01 | maquis | caught 1 |
| 08:48.02 | maquis | 3 left |
| 08:53.22 | levi | Time to sleep. |
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| 14:11.20 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:24.20 | mheath | ~rlart |
| 14:29.37 | graphyx | ~llart |
| 14:29.49 | graphyx | ~say -lart ibot |
| 14:29.50 | ibot | -lart ibot |
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| 14:57.54 | tensai | ~injure Jayce^ |
| 15:00.55 | Jayce^ | ~fish tensai |
| 15:00.57 | ibot | ACTION slaps tensai around with a large trout |
| 15:01.28 | graphyx | ~whaleslap tensai |
| 15:01.30 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap tensai over the head with it..... |
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| 16:32.20 | levi | Morning, #utah |
| 16:33.38 | emcnabb | Morning, levi |
| 16:33.51 | RyanE | Morning. |
| 16:34.49 | bytheway | morning, emcnabb |
| 16:35.31 | emcnabb | bytheway is alive |
| 16:35.34 | emcnabb | wow |
| 16:35.35 | graphyx | morning. |
| 16:36.18 | bytheway | yep, I lurk just don't chat much |
| 16:37.30 | goozbach | morning |
| 16:37.39 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 16:38.34 | graphyx | Sending a tech out to a non-internet hotel is like a punishment. |
| 16:38.46 | graphyx | Cruel but unfortunately not all that unusual. |
| 16:38.47 | goozbach | yeah |
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| 17:02.45 | levi | Quick, hide! It's sjansen! |
| 17:03.24 | graphyx | levi, -onjoin, sjansen |
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| 17:21.20 | harleypig | weird ... irssi locked on me. |
| 17:21.39 | harleypig | of course, it had been going for 3 weeks or so ... maybe it was tired. |
| 17:22.36 | elg | did you press ctrl-s? |
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| 17:30.24 | harleypig | no ... or .. at least I don't think so. |
| 17:31.49 | harleypig | anyone use (k)ubuntu and can tell me which package usbview might be in? |
| 17:32.35 | graphyx | usbtools? |
| 17:40.03 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all |
| 17:40.50 | harleypig | graphyx: nope ... no usbtools in package list ... |
| 17:40.59 | harleypig | hmmm ... but usbview is now showing up. |
| 17:41.03 | harleypig | probably just cause I asked. |
| 17:43.03 | maquis | harleypig: it always works that way |
| 17:43.14 | harleypig | except that it breaks something on install .... AGHHHH! I HATE RPMS! |
| 17:43.34 | harleypig | NOOOO ... It broke linux-image ... |
| 17:43.42 | maquis | harleypig: iirc, ubuntu, etc doesn't use rpms |
| 17:43.46 | maquis | i could be wrong, though |
| 17:43.56 | sjansen | alien-- |
| 17:43.58 | harleypig | no, you're not wrong ... it uses deb packages. |
| 17:44.11 | harleypig | but they're still pre-packaged pablum. |
| 17:44.19 | maquis | yeah... |
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| 17:45.32 | sjansen | harleypig: Quit yer whining and switch to gentoo already. |
| 17:46.33 | harleypig | sjansen: On my server I already am ... on my workstation I can't take the time to install gentoo. |
| 17:46.44 | harleypig | I have to do it on the sly. |
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| 17:48.52 | Jayce^ | sjansen, he is *not* putting gentoo on his work box |
| 17:49.44 | emcnabb | and he's already using it in daily speech |
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| 17:52.00 | graphyx | what |
| 17:52.07 | graphyx | what's wrong with synced? |
| 17:52.18 | emcnabb | too long |
| 17:52.39 | graphyx | it's 1.5 syllables |
| 17:53.15 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 17:53.37 | maquis | sunk seems more appropriate |
| 17:54.12 | graphyx | wow.. squabbling over .5 syllables. |
| 17:55.51 | emcnabb | I'm not |
| 17:55.52 | emcnabb | you are |
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| 18:03.17 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you do with 5 remotes? |
| 18:03.37 | sjansen | control 5 devices remotely |
| 18:05.03 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 18:05.10 | xbmodder_lappy | true |
| 18:05.15 | xbmodder_lappy | but other than that? |
| 18:11.27 | emcnabb | sell them? |
| 18:11.48 | xbmodder_lappy | oh.. |
| 18:11.54 | xbmodder_lappy | well thats not a bad idea |
| 18:12.35 | xbmodder_lappy | other than the fact I will have a sound system, TV, PVR, satelitte system, and everything else withou controllerism |
| 18:14.07 | sjansen | well then, there's only one reasonable course of action: use them as props in an interpretive street dance |
| 18:16.38 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: wouldn't a universal remote work? |
| 18:16.54 | xbmodder_lappy | no. |
| 18:19.05 | sjansen | duck tape them together |
| 18:19.21 | xbmodder_lappy | fun. |
| 18:19.51 | emcnabb | I say go buy a piece of plywood, and glue them to the board. You would then have one large "universal" remote |
| 18:20.04 | emcnabb | you don't have to worry about individual remotes getting lost that way |
| 18:20.51 | sjansen | I disagree. Any day you get to play with duck tape is a good day. |
| 18:21.24 | emcnabb | ok, then just duck tape them to the board |
| 18:21.30 | emcnabb | now are you happy sjansen? |
| 18:21.48 | levi | Is sjansen ever truly happy? |
| 18:21.59 | emcnabb | levi: no |
| 18:22.10 | maquis | emcnabb: so, what's the point of asking? |
| 18:22.10 | sjansen | a little happier, although I really prefer to leave the actual solution open to interpretation |
| 18:22.15 | emcnabb | he's a bitter old man in a young man's body |
| 18:22.26 | emcnabb | well, somewhat young |
| 18:22.35 | sjansen | ~emulate sjansen |
| 18:22.37 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen to a bloody pulp with some well crafted XML weapons |
| 18:22.39 | emcnabb | actually, not too young anymore |
| 18:22.51 | emcnabb | in fact, I think he's officially an old fart |
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| 18:27.01 | sjansen | maquis: It isn't triggered by age. It's triggered by behavior. |
| 18:27.25 | sjansen | If you buy a toilet brush of your own free will, you're starting to get old. |
| 18:29.06 | Jayce^ | maquis, they just move |
| 18:29.17 | maquis | hmmm |
| 18:30.06 | maquis | not sure which |
| 18:30.24 | sjansen | hardly |
| 18:30.39 | sjansen | You honestly haven't met graduated, married people who still haven't grown up? |
| 18:31.01 | maquis | sjansen: they may not have grown up... but they are still more like "real" adults |
| 18:31.12 | maquis | as opposed to the fake adults in college singles wards |
| 18:32.21 | sjansen | Who said anything about being adults? I'm talking about being old. |
| 18:34.47 | maquis | sjansen: i brought up the idea of being adults |
| 18:35.21 | emcnabb | sjansen: tell us about when candy bars were a nickel... |
| 18:40.33 | emcnabb | I am hungry right now; thanks sjansen for getting that for me |
| 18:40.36 | emcnabb | so kind |
| 18:40.55 | emcnabb | sjansen is a true example of charity |
| 18:42.42 | emcnabb | woohoo |
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| 19:18.37 | graphyx | Just like madagascar.. The water bowls are so nice. They are raised and they even have a mint for you to eat. |
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| 19:28.17 | maquis | ~cheer |
| 19:28.18 | ibot | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 19:28.53 | graphyx | wow... what a farce.. |
| 19:28.59 | graphyx | er.. a parody |
| 19:29.35 | maquis | ~cheer maquis |
| 19:29.36 | ibot | Three cheers for maquis! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 19:29.45 | maquis | that's the one i was looking for |
| 19:50.56 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 19:50.59 | ibot | where's my moose? |
| 19:51.24 | lars-ut | Is anyone aware of some commercial DVD titles that do _not_ employ the CSS algorithm? |
| 19:51.50 | graphyx | ~emulate sjansen |
| 19:51.51 | ibot | ACTION beats graphyx to a bloody pulp with some well crafted XML weapons |
| 19:51.58 | graphyx | That's about right. |
| 19:52.03 | lars-ut | :) |
| 20:00.12 | findlay | ~emulate graphyx |
| 20:00.33 | findlay | ~hug GPL |
| 20:00.34 | ibot | ACTION hugs GPL |
| 20:01.41 | QBFreak | yarg, I can't seem to open new connections |
| 20:01.54 | QBFreak | its not a name resolution issue, I just time out |
| 20:04.02 | QBFreak | I can't even connect to my external IP |
| 20:04.08 | goozbach | ok so here's an interesting tidbit... |
| 20:04.33 | goozbach | Deathray, has more original members of the band CAKE, than Cake itself |
| 20:06.05 | graphyx | should they change their name to cakelike? |
| 20:06.25 | lars-ut | deathcake |
| 20:07.21 | lars-ut | "Sheep go to heaven..." |
| 20:07.53 | goozbach | Goats go to hell |
| 20:07.57 | lars-ut | :) |
| 20:08.05 | goozbach | BTW that concert was AWESOME |
| 20:08.15 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: I know of a commercial DVD title that doesn't use the CSS algorithm. |
| 20:08.32 | dataw0lf | actually, 2. |
| 20:08.45 | lars-ut | goozbach: I'm jealousd dataw0lf: which? |
| 20:08.47 | dataw0lf | 'Dog Soldiers', and 'Dawn of the Dead' (remake) |
| 20:08.53 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/30/britain.museum.ap/index.html |
| 20:08.55 | brac | [CNN.com - Museum visitor trips, breaks Chinese vases - Jan 30, 2006] |
| 20:09.07 | lars-ut | <Mr Burns/>Excellent... |
| 20:09.26 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: then blames it on his shoelace, that's the greatest part |
| 20:09.26 | lars-ut | thx dataw0lf |
| 20:09.29 | dataw0lf | np |
| 20:09.53 | dataw0lf | now, these are just the commercial copies I have, I found it interesting a month or so ago. I haven't looked into if it's just something wacky with my copies or something. |
| 20:10.02 | dataw0lf | but if you'd like to look at em I could lend em to you. |
| 20:10.16 | dataw0lf | you should watch Dog Soldiers anyways, it's jawesome. |
| 20:10.19 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: I'd love to |
| 20:10.49 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: where do you work / live at? Maybe we can schedule a time for me to drop them off. |
| 20:11.09 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: I'm in Orem/Springville |
| 20:11.58 | dataw0lf | ahh. |
| 20:12.03 | dataw0lf | I might be coming through there Thursday. |
| 20:12.08 | dataw0lf | actually, I definitely will be. |
| 20:12.11 | lars-ut | <Mr Burns/>Excellent... |
| 20:12.15 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 20:14.30 | graphyx | data you should come play games on tuesday. |
| 20:14.30 | lars-ut | not so interested in 'Dawn of the Dead', but if you had said... 'Evil Dead' or 'Army of Darkness'... |
| 20:14.33 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: <3 Bruce Campbell |
| 20:14.37 | dataw0lf | graphyx: What games? |
| 20:14.54 | lars-ut | graphyx will likely get to choose this week. |
| 20:15.20 | dataw0lf | what group? where/when? |
| 20:15.29 | lars-ut | Carcasonne, Setttlers, Tigris & Eupharates, or Ticket to Ride Europe |
| 20:15.39 | dataw0lf | ooh nice. |
| 20:15.51 | dataw0lf | anyone play any wargames? |
| 20:15.51 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: look at last weeks's announcement |
| 20:15.58 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: k |
| 20:16.12 | lars-ut | http://mail.herlo.org/pipermail/boardgames_herlo.org/2006-January/000095.html |
| 20:16.14 | brac | [[boardgames] Board Game Night Tonight - 8:30pm, Jan 17] |
| 20:16.34 | dataw0lf | coolio |
| 20:16.36 | lars-ut | Well, that one was from 2 weeks ago, but it'll work |
| 20:17.22 | dataw0lf | I'm a big fan of strategic games. |
| 20:17.48 | lars-ut | I'm surprised how barely a year I love strategy board games |
| 20:17.53 | dataw0lf | I really like wargames like Warhammer, and historical model wargames. |
| 20:18.02 | lars-ut | (after) |
| 20:18.17 | lars-ut | It'll be a year in about 2 weeks for me , I mean |
| 20:18.41 | lars-ut | unless Hunt for Red October counts |
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| 20:19.31 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: bring 5 bucks to chip in for Lon's BBQ takeout |
| 20:20.02 | dataw0lf | ok |
| 20:20.25 | jsmith | lars-ut: BBQ then? |
| 20:20.30 | lars-ut | yep |
| 20:20.45 | lars-ut | just bring 5 bucks to chip in |
| 20:20.55 | harleypig | I've got an iPAQ 3870 running OPIE. I can't talk to my Kubuntu 5.10 desktop. ifconfig -a shows a usbf device but when I try to run ifconfig usbf 192.168.0.202 on it I get 'No such device'. Any pointers? |
| 20:21.08 | dataw0lf | maybe some night we could organize for me to bring my WW2 miniatures and terrain models and get a quick skirmish in, you guys would probably dig it. |
| 20:21.13 | Peaceful | [lamd; |
| 20:21.22 | harleypig | lsmod | grep usb show usb-eth and sa1100usb_core |
| 20:21.33 | dataw0lf | harleypig: pastebin the output of ifconfig? |
| 20:21.47 | harleypig | can't ... don't have a connection to my ipaq. |
| 20:22.02 | dataw0lf | it says something like |
| 20:22.11 | dataw0lf | usbf Link .... |
| 20:22.17 | harleypig | for ifconfig -a ? |
| 20:22.20 | lars-ut | http://www.lonscookinshack.com/ |
| 20:22.48 | harleypig | yeah ... usbf Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr |
| 20:22.50 | dataw0lf | harleypig: right, as in, usbf is the actual name of the device? |
| 20:23.02 | dataw0lf | try a ifrename and see if you can access it with the new name you specify |
| 20:23.08 | harleypig | wait ... now it has an ip address ... it didn't before |
| 20:23.12 | dataw0lf | DHCP? |
| 20:23.21 | lars-ut | ~slap brac |
| 20:23.22 | ibot | ACTION slaps brac, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:23.35 | harleypig | but it's still not showing up with ifconfig |
| 20:23.50 | harleypig | oh, missed that. anything? or ifrename usb0? |
| 20:24.13 | dataw0lf | nah, give it whatever, doesn't matter. |
| 20:24.15 | harleypig | no, usbf has a static line in interfaces |
| 20:24.31 | dataw0lf | what distro is this? How are interfaces set up? ifupdown ? |
| 20:24.58 | dataw0lf | oh, OPIE |
| 20:25.08 | harleypig | dataw0lf: OPIE, on an iPAQ 3870, I think it's ifup/ifdown |
| 20:25.12 | lars-ut | -Lon is the owner of Lon\'s Cookin' Shack, closest thing to Texas BBQ in Utah Valley - http://www.lonscookinshack.com/ |
| 20:25.12 | brac | alright |
| 20:25.22 | QBFreak | ~lart TWC |
| 20:26.08 | lars-ut | -Lon |
| 20:26.22 | lars-ut | ~slap brac |
| 20:26.23 | ibot | ACTION slaps brac, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:26.23 | dataw0lf | harleypig: this is kinda hard, I'd take a peek into how the interface is configured whereever the ifupdown scripts are located. |
| 20:26.51 | dataw0lf | if you have the iproute(2) package, that's much more powerful than ifconfig, too. |
| 20:27.22 | harleypig | nope, iproute not found. |
| 20:27.54 | vontrapp | harleypig: command not found? |
| 20:28.03 | vontrapp | it would be "ip route" |
| 20:28.16 | vontrapp | ip is the executable |
| 20:28.33 | dataw0lf | ip link show |
| 20:29.14 | harleypig | ifup and ifdown are binaries. vontrapp: checking |
| 20:30.15 | harleypig | ip link show produces usbf: <> mtu 1500 gdisc noop_qlen 100 link/ether <mac> brd ff:ff... |
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| 20:32.53 | harleypig | I'm not familiar with ip ... do I use ip addr or ip route ? |
| 20:32.56 | dataw0lf | ip addr |
| 20:33.00 | levi | Not too long ago, through no choice of my own, I ended up watching Sky High. I was pleased to see that Bruce Campbell was in it. |
| 20:33.01 | scottj | is there file server software that allows you to access word documents and such througha normal browser and when you click save in word it saves it on the web browser? that is, you don't have to download it to the computer, edit, save, then reupload it (manually at least) |
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| 20:34.33 | dataw0lf | harleypig : ip addr del 192.168.0.202/24 del usbf |
| 20:34.43 | dataw0lf | harleypig : ip addr add 192.168.0.202/24 dev usbf |
| 20:34.58 | dataw0lf | err that del should be a dev with the first command |
| 20:35.25 | amcnabb | scottj, the client would be doing most of the work. |
| 20:35.51 | dataw0lf | and of course assuming /24 is correct. |
| 20:36.14 | amcnabb | scottj, there might be some sort of webdav filesystem out there somewhere, but I haven't seen anything like that. |
| 20:37.16 | harleypig | dataw0lf: ip addr del 192.168.0.202/24 dev usbf then ip addr add 192.168.0.202/24 dev usbf? |
| 20:37.19 | RyanE | A |
| 20:37.34 | RyanE | AAAARGHHH!!! |
| 20:38.09 | amcnabb | scottj, there's a davfs2 Linux fs driver. |
| 20:38.28 | harleypig | dataw0lf: I'm on a 10. range on my internal network, so 192. anything is fine. |
| 20:39.28 | harleypig | I'm getting ip:Unknown command del with that first one. Or should I just skip the first one and add the ip? |
| 20:39.33 | scottj | amcnabb: what I'm looking for is the best way to have all my files with me, no matter what computer I'm on |
| 20:39.45 | amcnabb | scottj, apparently Windows can do it with My Network Places or Map Network Drive (see http://www.akadia.com/services/mod_dav.html) |
| 20:39.45 | scottj | I hate having to plug in a thumb drive |
| 20:40.15 | amcnabb | Check out that web page--it tells you what you have to do to apache as well as how to use it from Windows. |
| 20:40.51 | dataw0lf | harleypig: yea, skip the first one. |
| 20:40.57 | dataw0lf | harleypig: sorry, got server problems here. |
| 20:41.11 | dataw0lf | what's new, am I right? |
| 20:41.12 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 20:41.45 | graphyx | dataw0lf: does that mean you will be coming down tomorrow night for games? |
| 20:41.53 | harleypig | heh ... I get ip RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 20:42.03 | graphyx | It will be my last night to come since I am moving next week. |
| 20:42.35 | harleypig | (and take your time--this a community channel, not a support channel. I'm not demanding anything. :) |
| 20:43.29 | dataw0lf | harleypig: argh, wish you had cut n paste functionality. |
| 20:43.43 | dataw0lf | graphyx: I'll try to make it, but I can't promise anything. I really hope I can, though. |
| 20:43.54 | dataw0lf | harleypig: bring down the interface and try it again. |
| 20:44.48 | dataw0lf | as in, bring down the interface, add the ip address, and bring it up. |
| 20:45.41 | harleypig | ifdown usbf producst ifdown: ignoring unknown interface usbf. grrrr ... ok, trying ip addr add again ... |
| 20:45.56 | harleypig | File exists ... |
| 20:46.01 | harleypig | this is frustrating. |
| 20:46.14 | graphyx | dataw0lf: Would be fun. But if not.. Well that's life. |
| 20:47.02 | dataw0lf | harleypig: huh. jeez. reboot the ipaq. heh. |
| 20:47.06 | dataw0lf | then add the address |
| 20:47.08 | graphyx | It's always an interesting aspect of life meeting the people that you have chatted for hours with online. |
| 20:47.16 | dataw0lf | and you're going to have to add a default route it sounds like too |
| 20:47.20 | dataw0lf | then bring the interface up |
| 20:47.35 | dataw0lf | graphyx: Yeah. |
| 20:48.00 | vontrapp | odd.. |
| 20:48.07 | vontrapp | amixer set Master toggle |
| 20:48.09 | vontrapp | used to work |
| 20:48.26 | vontrapp | but now, it only mutes the left channel, and the right channel complains it doesn't know toggle |
| 20:48.44 | vontrapp | same thing with pcm and headphone |
| 20:49.14 | dataw0lf | what about alsamixer |
| 20:49.23 | vontrapp | i want non-interactive |
| 20:49.26 | harleypig | dataw0lf: I haven't been able to get minimcom to connect, but I was able to get hyperterminal to connect before installing kubuntu ... would that help? |
| 20:49.32 | vontrapp | for "multimedia keyboard" keys |
| 20:49.48 | dataw0lf | vontrapp: aah. |
| 20:50.07 | vontrapp | so now instead i do "amixer get Master | grep "\[on\]" && amixer set Master mute || amixer set Master unmute |
| 20:50.11 | dataw0lf | harleypig: yea, maybe. |
| 20:50.14 | vontrapp | about a hundred times more clunky |
| 20:50.31 | dataw0lf | huh, works for me. what version of amixer are you using? |
| 20:50.43 | vontrapp | 1.0.9a |
| 20:50.47 | dataw0lf | same |
| 20:51.05 | vontrapp | it's weird taht it only mutes one channel |
| 20:51.25 | vontrapp | amixer: Uknown capture setup 'toggle' |
| 20:51.37 | harleypig | ok, I'm an idiot ... tyring to connect to /dev/ttyS1, not S0 ... so I'm connected via serial port now. |
| 20:52.00 | vontrapp | like instead of trying totoggle the right channel as well, the right channel is somehow thinking it's the capture setting |
| 20:53.38 | dataw0lf | does amixer -q sset Master,0 toggle work correctly? |
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| 20:54.02 | dataw0lf | err -d |
| 20:55.49 | vontrapp | dataw0lf: same thing |
| 20:56.11 | dataw0lf | and it says in Playback channels both channels right? |
| 20:56.11 | *** part/#utah Peaceful (n=Peaceful@67.50.46.118) |
| 20:56.25 | dataw0lf | and one is just muted, or does only one show up |
| 20:56.42 | dataw0lf | harleypig: where you at? |
| 20:57.05 | vontrapp | it doesn't give the feedback because of the error |
| 20:57.11 | vontrapp | von@dernhelm ~$ amixer set Master toggle |
| 20:57.11 | vontrapp | amixer: Unknown capture setup 'toggle'.. |
| 20:57.20 | vontrapp | but one channel (left) does toggle |
| 20:58.01 | dataw0lf | wth |
| 20:58.11 | vontrapp | i know, i don't get it |
| 20:58.39 | dataw0lf | seeing anything in dmesg? a far shot, but who knows |
| 20:58.59 | vontrapp | nothing |
| 20:59.13 | harleypig | dataw0lf: I just tried everything you asked about agian, and I get the same thing. |
| 20:59.15 | vontrapp | last thing in dmesg is a usb device plug event from about an hour ago |
| 20:59.27 | goozbach | "with a mullet and a popsicle" |
| 20:59.51 | dataw0lf | harleypig: where's the actual config file for your interfaces? |
| 21:00.05 | harleypig | dataw0lf: /etc/network |
| 21:00.30 | dataw0lf | ah, check interfaces then, nothing in there for it? |
| 21:01.25 | harleypig | dataw0lf: there is, the installation instructions had me add some lines. Want me to msg them to you? |
| 21:03.28 | dataw0lf | harleypig: yes, please. |
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| 21:26.37 | dataw0lf | harleypig: still there? |
| 21:26.37 | TimRiker | anyone need a _large_ dlt tape changer? |
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| 21:27.07 | dataw0lf | TimRiker: one of the SGI ones? |
| 21:27.36 | TimRiker | http://www.scpi.com/7100lg.jpg |
| 21:27.53 | dataw0lf | how much? |
| 21:28.05 | TimRiker | quantum 100 cartrige dlt drive. supports up to 7 drives, only has one working at present. |
| 21:29.01 | TimRiker | nearly free. need to work out the details still. really need a large scale bulk eraser or the tapes are all going to be shredded. |
| 21:29.02 | Newsome | ugh |
| 21:29.31 | Newsome | we had a 52-slot DLT changer. I hated that thing |
| 21:29.41 | TimRiker | 500 pounds when fully loaded. |
| 21:29.57 | dataw0lf | we got several large AIT-3 libraries / changers here |
| 21:29.58 | harleypig | dataw0lf: yeah, I msg'd it you but I guess it didn't go through. |
| 21:30.01 | dataw0lf | they're a pain |
| 21:30.04 | TimRiker | Newsome: well, this is twice as annoying. ;-) |
| 21:30.05 | dataw0lf | harleypig: nope |
| 21:30.14 | dataw0lf | But I'd like to scavenge that DLT for parts |
| 21:31.06 | QBFreak | TimRiker: if it wouldn't cost a small fortune to ship out here they might make use of it where I last worked |
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| 21:31.34 | elg | ~rlart |
| 21:31.51 | vontrapp | ~rlart |
| 21:32.11 | elg | ibot, do you hate me? |
| 21:32.13 | ibot | yes, I hate me. |
| 21:32.13 | TimRiker | dataw0lf: ait-3 tapes are just like 8-mm video? are the drives like the old exebyte? or different? |
| 21:32.27 | elg | silly engineers |
| 21:32.35 | elg | this EE class has no exams |
| 21:32.52 | vontrapp | is there a catch? |
| 21:32.55 | elg | but it does have quizzes. I figure quiz, 5-10 minutes... they're 50 minutes long |
| 21:33.12 | elg | it'll be easy though. basic assembler stuff open book |
| 21:33.17 | vontrapp | *blink* |
| 21:33.31 | elg | I'd hate to see a EE exam |
| 21:33.44 | dataw0lf | TimRiker: yea, they're basically like 8 mm video. The drives are different than the Mammoth drives, that's for sure, unless you're talking about some older Exabyte drives. |
| 21:34.03 | TimRiker | no, that's what I meant. |
| 21:34.24 | harleypig | dataw0lf: since I can't msg you for whatever reason, I'll just create a channel |
| 21:34.26 | dataw0lf | I really liked Mammoth when I've worked with it. |
| 21:34.29 | dataw0lf | harleypig: hehe |
| 21:34.33 | dataw0lf | harleypig: just join #urapug |
| 21:34.45 | harleypig | ok |
| 21:34.49 | dataw0lf | wonder why you can't msg me. |
| 21:35.02 | TimRiker | harleypig: you are not logged into nickserv, so you can't msg. |
| 21:35.06 | QBFreak | not a registered nick? |
| 21:35.11 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 21:35.14 | dataw0lf | that'd be it |
| 21:35.18 | TimRiker | registered nick, but not identified. |
| 21:35.47 | QBFreak | ah, the network I'm used to will change your nick if you don't identify and its registered |
| 21:36.53 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know of a good online streaming music player written in AJAX (or an example of one)? |
| 21:37.07 | elg | what are you smoking? |
| 21:37.14 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm going to add one to my brother's band's website and would prefer not to use Flash |
| 21:37.39 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I'm smoking #utah air |
| 21:37.41 | dataw0lf | anyone got any experience with SVN hook scripts? |
| 21:37.45 | elg | what are you going to use then? are you going to decode the compressed audio in javascript? |
| 21:37.53 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:37.55 | elg | or are you going to be platform-specific? |
| 21:38.05 | dataw0lf | I'd like to see that. |
| 21:38.29 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I guess this is one advantage flash has |
| 21:38.41 | Uncle_Jesse | cross-platform |
| 21:39.20 | elg | yeah. also ask yourself if it's really worth having. maybe serving some mp3 or m3u files would do the trick |
| 21:39.47 | elg | if you have an m3u, and the right mime type, most people will be able to click on it and it will play in their player of choice |
| 21:39.50 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: my brother doesn't want to allow them to be downloaded, so it has to be streamed |
| 21:41.11 | elg | what can be streamed can be downloaded, but whatever floats his boat. |
| 21:41.30 | Uncle_Jesse | I know, but at a price at least |
| 21:41.42 | vontrapp | anyone remember the formulae for torque? |
| 21:41.47 | Uncle_Jesse | aka labor price |
| 21:42.02 | elg | vontrapp: put your hands on the rod next to eachother. turn one hand one way, and the other hand the other way |
| 21:42.25 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: maybe the m3u solution. it will do a simple http stream in most players |
| 21:42.44 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I'll look into that |
| 21:42.46 | vontrapp | if you have a 3d vector and you apply some torque to it... |
| 21:42.47 | elg | it's easy to bypass (just read the m3u and wget the file) but you're still over the heads of 90% of the world |
| 21:42.54 | jsmith | vontrapp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque |
| 21:43.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I still would like to have a cool flash-like interface though, so I have a feeling I may go with flash |
| 21:43.18 | elg | of course |
| 21:43.40 | Tene | Why oh Why do the PHP developers have no understanding of "backwards compatibility"? |
| 21:44.00 | elg | it's right up there with design. |
| 21:44.16 | jsmith | Backwards compatibility? Why? |
| 21:44.17 | levi | It would be nice if PHP developers ditched backwards compatibility to actually create a decent language. |
| 21:44.24 | dataw0lf | levi: hehe |
| 21:44.35 | dataw0lf | PHP developers? Clueless? Now you're just making stuff up! |
| 21:45.52 | Tene | and perl has been backwards-compatible for how long? 20 years? |
| 21:46.39 | dataw0lf | a little too long |
| 21:46.54 | Tene | levi: then they'd have perl. PHP started as a preprocessor using a limited perl syntax. |
| 21:47.25 | Tene | And has been poorly re-implementing it in broken ways ever since. |
| 21:47.44 | dataw0lf | PHP/FI, no? |
| 21:48.07 | dataw0lf | I've been repeatedly surprised by the numerous wrong decisions the developers of PHP have made. It's pretty amusing. |
| 21:48.21 | dataw0lf | *shrug* but I'm no language nazi. I can have fun using PHP. |
| 21:51.01 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone have a secret wings place they've discovered in town? |
| 21:51.22 | dataw0lf | `in town` ? |
| 21:51.29 | Jayce^ | secret? |
| 21:51.32 | dataw0lf | Trolley Square has a wings place that's amazing. |
| 21:51.43 | dataw0lf | dunno if you meant SLC or not though. |
| 21:52.03 | dataw0lf | 'Trolley Wing Company' |
| 21:52.52 | Uncle_Jesse | slc - is there any other place ;-) |
| 21:53.05 | Uncle_Jesse | hmmm - I'll have to try that one |
| 21:53.12 | dataw0lf | the majority of you guys seem to be in Provo, so I never know :) |
| 21:53.13 | Uncle_Jesse | wings and things just closed down so I need a new place |
| 21:53.15 | dataw0lf | yeah, it's really good. |
| 21:53.16 | Jayce^ | despite not beign traditional wings, I love wingers wings |
| 21:53.36 | dataw0lf | I can go for wingers wings, but the trolley wings are just phenomenal. |
| 21:53.44 | Jayce^ | I'll have to try theirs |
| 21:53.50 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - sounds good |
| 21:53.59 | Uncle_Jesse | wings and things used to be awesome - I'm mad they're gone |
| 21:54.04 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.19 | dataw0lf | Trolley Wings has like a dozen flavors or something. |
| 21:54.21 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: Art City Trolley? |
| 21:54.43 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: Trolley Square? |
| 21:54.43 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: The Trolley Square on 7th south and ~5th east downtown SLC |
| 21:54.45 | dataw0lf | right |
| 21:55.04 | dataw0lf | err 7th east and 5th south |
| 21:55.36 | Jayce^ | yeah, rodizio |
| 21:55.46 | Jayce^ | mmm, churrascaria |
| 21:55.59 | lars-ut | oops |
| 21:56.09 | lars-ut | abacaxi I think |
| 21:56.17 | Jayce^ | mmm, guaran? |
| 21:56.28 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 21:56.33 | dataw0lf | Brazilian food? |
| 21:56.38 | lars-ut | oh yeah. |
| 21:56.38 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 21:56.46 | dataw0lf | really going to have to try that some time. |
| 21:56.58 | maquis | it's been a while |
| 21:57.04 | dataw0lf | I have a gift certificate to Rodizio, haven't used it yet. |
| 21:57.19 | maquis | i think last semester's tucanos night has finally finished digesting |
| 21:57.20 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: keep coming to game night & we'll grab Tucanos one of these times |
| 21:57.40 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, introduce him to fejoiada :) |
| 21:57.42 | dataw0lf | alright. I'm going to try my best to make it tomorrow. |
| 21:57.48 | Jayce^ | not like you get the real stuf here though |
| 21:57.56 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 21:58.27 | elg | better than the no stuff I have here |
| 21:58.28 | Jayce^ | get a good farofa, a slab of picanha, and a brasilian lemonade.... mmmmm |
| 21:58.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I always get sick after Tucanos - not sure why |
| 21:58.54 | lars-ut | Jayce: not a bad idea - dataw0lf, you & I might have to grab lunch on a Tuesday at Trolley Square Rodizio's |
| 21:58.57 | Jayce^ | not man enough |
| 21:59.03 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: I'm definitely down. |
| 21:59.19 | dataw0lf | I'm going to try out Tony Romas tonight |
| 21:59.22 | dataw0lf | heard good things. |
| 21:59.24 | lars-ut | maybe next Tuesday |
| 21:59.33 | RyanE | I found out that Kohler's (local supermarket in Highland) carries guarana'. |
| 21:59.39 | dataw0lf | next tuesday? I'll treat, sound good? |
| 21:59.40 | elg | tony romas the rib place? I wasn't impressed |
| 21:59.41 | Jayce^ | meh, mediocre ribs |
| 21:59.44 | dataw0lf | really? |
| 21:59.46 | lars-ut | RyanE: which brand |
| 21:59.46 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: oh, I still eat it. I've just gotten food-poisoning-type sick the day after 3 times I've gone in the past |
| 21:59.50 | dataw0lf | what's a good ribs place here in SLC? |
| 21:59.55 | RyanE | lars-ut: just antarctica |
| 22:00.00 | Jayce^ | RyanE, a lot of places are carrying it now, macey's are doing it too now |
| 22:00.01 | RyanE | in 2-liter bottles |
| 22:00.02 | Uncle_Jesse | Romas has great ribs |
| 22:00.31 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, little place just opened in lehi with some decent ribs |
| 22:00.38 | lars-ut | that reminds me I need to pick up some Bawls Guarana for game night as well |
| 22:00.39 | Jayce^ | but I haven't found any *great* ones here |
| 22:01.26 | lars-ut | Maybe I'll just get Antarctica - that's be more authentic |
| 22:01.37 | Jayce^ | better tasting too |
| 22:01.41 | lars-ut | less caffeine though |
| 22:01.50 | sjansen | http://stalemeat.net/ |
| 22:02.07 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: darn |
| 22:02.15 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: What's the Lehi place called? |
| 22:02.17 | Jayce^ | figures, start talking about good brasilian food, and sjansen has to show up |
| 22:02.40 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, it's a little hole in the wall, just opened on center street.. |
| 22:02.46 | Tene | so... sjansen is good brasilian food? |
| 22:02.50 | dataw0lf | Jayce^: hmm, I'll look for it. |
| 22:02.51 | Jayce^ | something like Jim's broasted chicken and ribs |
| 22:03.05 | dataw0lf | there aren't any Buffalolouie's in Utah are there? |
| 22:03.15 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: Get ribs Tony Romas tonight. |
| 22:03.33 | lars-ut | If I recall correctly the original sauce is good |
| 22:03.36 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: yea, that's the plan |
| 22:03.48 | Jayce^ | Tony Romas is just simple boiled ribs, with ok sauces... usually not nearly the meat you'd see on good ribs |
| 22:03.53 | dataw0lf | I've been told by a bunch of people they're great, I'm surprised to hear everyone here say they're mediocre. |
| 22:03.55 | elg | lots of good mexican here |
| 22:04.00 | dataw0lf | ah, they pull the skinny ribs eh? |
| 22:04.00 | mheath | *shrug* I like our ribs, but I don't have much to compare them to. |
| 22:04.01 | dataw0lf | I hate that. |
| 22:04.07 | elg | in fact, just about every fast food place here serves tacos and the like |
| 22:04.11 | elg | even the donut shops |
| 22:04.21 | dataw0lf | I like the little mexican stands on the corner here |
| 22:04.25 | dataw0lf | they're great |
| 22:05.27 | mheath | Speaking of dining |
| 22:05.31 | dataw0lf | but I wish there were Buffalolouies here. BEST ribs and wings out of a chain store ever. They're just amazing. |
| 22:05.36 | dataw0lf | And they deliver too, which is ++. |
| 22:05.38 | mheath | I'm looking for a very nice, formal dining place |
| 22:05.51 | lars-ut | http://download.freenet.de/archiv_s/software_for_starving_students_(sss)_7816.html |
| 22:05.54 | mheath | Somewhere in the $200-$300 for two people range. |
| 22:06.10 | mheath | Does Salt Lake City have anything like that? A nice, classy place. |
| 22:06.14 | lars-ut | ~pimpslap brac |
| 22:06.16 | ibot | lars-ut pimpslaps brac. ouch! |
| 22:06.27 | dataw0lf | mheath: Why would you spend that much? |
| 22:06.29 | lars-ut | freenet.de just posted the 2006.01 SSS iso |
| 22:06.45 | dataw0lf | You could spend a twentieth of that and cook yourself and be just as romantic, which I'm assuming you're shooting for |
| 22:07.30 | elg | mheath: nevertheless, there is such a place. la caille |
| 22:07.39 | mheath | dataw0lf: I am shooting for romantic, and I agree. However, I've never eaten in a restraunt that nice, and would like the experience. |
| 22:08.00 | mheath | Plus, it's prom, and we'll be in a limousine and I'll be in tails. |
| 22:08.01 | dataw0lf | mheath: there's some italian place next to the Gateway that looks upscale |
| 22:08.17 | elg | mheath: it boils down to exotic names for mediocre french food in small portions. the atmosphere is nice though |
| 22:08.34 | mheath | elg: dessert any good? |
| 22:08.42 | elg | i've been to la caille, not on my own dollar |
| 22:08.53 | mheath | I know that a lot of french restraunts are known for the quality of their desserts. |
| 22:09.29 | mheath | ooh, they have a website |
| 22:09.41 | elg | at $50 a dish i could have a website too |
| 22:09.55 | elg | maybe I'll start selling sourdough at $50/loaf |
| 22:10.16 | elg | do you think peruvians had sourdough? I could call it peruvian soudough... |
| 22:10.20 | elg | or maybe mayan |
| 22:10.24 | dataw0lf | elg: lol @ website comment |
| 22:10.47 | mheath | Veal ternderloin |
| 22:10.49 | mheath | mmmmmm |
| 22:11.25 | mheath | They have a fake japanese dish, too |
| 22:11.43 | mheath | IE, a cheap foreign view of what sushi is. |
| 22:11.54 | levi | For a very nice dining experience, I recommend Martine. It's not nearly that expensive, but some foodie friends of mine highly recommend it. |
| 22:12.25 | mheath | Is this a joke? |
| 22:12.26 | levi | And they unanimously agree that La Caille has sub-par food considering the cost. |
| 22:12.34 | mheath | Under the lobster.... |
| 22:12.40 | mheath | "Financing Available" |
| 22:13.25 | levi | My friend has been in the La Caille kitchen, and they use a lot of canned food, apparently. |
| 22:13.38 | mheath | We don't use much canned food at Applebees, even |
| 22:13.45 | mheath | Most of our stuff is fresh made |
| 22:13.49 | levi | La Caille is Hooters for the rich. |
| 22:14.13 | levi | mheath: Take a look at Metropolitan. |
| 22:14.31 | levi | mheath: And Martine. |
| 22:14.32 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.32 | mheath | goat cheese & potato bread pudding |
| 22:14.37 | mheath | mmmmmmm! |
| 22:15.05 | mheath | Coriander Crusted Duck Breast with Black Currant Port Wine Glaze |
| 22:15.07 | dataw0lf | I'd go the cheap, humorous way and get a silver serving platter and put some Micky D double cheeseburgers under it |
| 22:15.12 | dataw0lf | tastier too |
| 22:15.25 | goozbach | http://www.precisionairsoft.com/item24.htm |
| 22:15.27 | brac | [Tokyo Marui P90-TR Tri-Rail] |
| 22:15.29 | goozbach | sweet |
| 22:15.35 | goozbach | a P-90 airsoft |
| 22:15.44 | mheath | Pumpkin Seed Crusted Wild Salmon with Roasted Corn-Pepper Relish |
| 22:15.55 | mheath | (This is Martine) |
| 22:16.53 | levi | mheath: Their food is /really/ good. |
| 22:18.07 | levi | mheath: The menu listed is representative of what they're currently serving, but probably not exactly the same. |
| 22:20.05 | lars-ut | mheath: Fleming's Prime Steakhouse |
| 22:20.05 | lars-ut | http://www.flemingssteakhouse.com/ |
| 22:20.07 | brac | [Welcome to Fleming's] |
| 22:20.09 | sjansen | I don't like using Ctrl-W to move around in Vim windows. (Too emacsy.) Can anybody suggest a better solution? |
| 22:20.38 | Tene | ctrl+w deletes words, not moves around... |
| 22:20.56 | sjansen | Tene: The mere use of ctrl is too emacsy. |
| 22:21.05 | Tene | sjansen: db |
| 22:21.30 | Tene | sjansen: I was more questioning what you wanted to do without using a modifier |
| 22:21.54 | mheath | AAA recommends Blue Board Restraunt, Simons at The Homestead Restort, The Glitretind, Goldner Hirsch Restraunt, The Tree Room, La Caille, Log Haven, and the Metropolitan |
| 22:22.08 | Tene | db in command mode does what ctrl+w does in insert mode |
| 22:22.17 | Jayce^ | the tree room is quite high end |
| 22:22.26 | mheath | *Blue Boar |
| 22:24.17 | mheath | Metropolitan looks nice, but not the atmosphere I'm looking for. |
| 22:24.56 | sjansen | I want a replacement for ctrl-w (window movement) in command mode. |
| 22:27.11 | Tene | oh |
| 22:27.14 | lars-ut | does a user need a shell fo rsync access, or is /bin/false ok? |
| 22:27.25 | Tene | lars-ut: look at rssh |
| 22:27.43 | mrpull-_ | mheath: the blue boar's food isn't that great, but the setting is nice |
| 22:27.48 | mheath | Has anyone here paid for a limousine before? |
| 22:27.50 | Tene | http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/ |
| 22:27.51 | brac | [rssh - restricted shell for scp/sftp] |
| 22:27.51 | mrpull-_ | mheath: loghaven is tastey in a nice setting |
| 22:28.18 | mrpull-_ | La Caille is hooters for the rich... my wife didn't appreciate my wandering eyes |
| 22:28.41 | lars-ut | Tene: I usually use something similar to 'rsync --progress -av -e "ssh" ' |
| 22:28.58 | mrpull-_ | levi: good comparison BTW |
| 22:30.08 | mheath | I'm worried that if my date saw the prices on some of these menus, she'd be scared into getting something cheap. |
| 22:30.15 | mheath | These prices are pretty hefty. |
| 22:30.42 | lars-ut | Call & find out whether ot not your date's menu will have prices |
| 22:30.56 | lars-ut | hers may not. |
| 22:31.15 | mheath | ...Is that a common thing for higher end restraunts? |
| 22:31.38 | lars-ut | I'm the worng person to ask, I've only seen it once. |
| 22:32.58 | levi | All this is making me want to eat at Martine again. Maybe for Valentine's Day. |
| 22:33.21 | lars-ut | http://utah.citysearch.com/review/10367968 |
| 22:33.39 | mheath | I dunno |
| 22:34.03 | mheath | This is the first time I'm seriously going to a formal dance with someone I enjoy being with, and who I want to be in a longterm relationship with. |
| 22:34.24 | mheath | I figured that, seeing how I can scrape together the resources, I'd pull some very nice. |
| 22:35.02 | mrpull-_ | spending lots of money doesn't always make a great date |
| 22:35.22 | mrpull-_ | i think it more often detracted from the fun |
| 22:35.29 | mheath | I'm not saying it will |
| 22:35.47 | lars-ut | mrpull: I'd tend to agree. |
| 22:36.04 | levi | Spending a lot of money can make some girls uncomfortable. |
| 22:36.31 | mheath | Its just, seeing how I'm a lower middle-class person, prom my senior year is one of the few times where I'll be able (and have an excuse to) be dressed in full tails, have a limousine, experience nice dining, etc. |
| 22:36.55 | Tene | lars-ut: Thanks for asking that. Looking at the rssh page alerted me to a recent security update. |
| 22:37.20 | mrpull-_ | mheath: live it up. be safe. don't do anything stupid. |
| 22:37.28 | mrpull-_ | mheath: whatever you do... don't do anything you'll regret |
| 22:37.30 | lars-ut | mheath: do some background on her from her family, and what you know about your sweetie, then plan a date that is tailored to her favorite things |
| 22:38.06 | mrpull-_ | if spending a boatload of cash is something you'd regret (even if it is just once).... dont |
| 22:38.26 | levi | mheath: This /is/ a good excuse to go all-out, but don't think that you can't do it some other time just because you're not filthy rich. |
| 22:38.35 | lars-ut | some of the restaurants mentioned here would not be, well, fun. |
| 22:38.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I've done that exactly once |
| 22:38.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Only it wasn't a limo, it was a bus and literally fifty others |
| 22:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Went down to the Lion House |
| 22:39.09 | mrpull-_ | lars-ut: good point. $$$ != fun. |
| 22:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Split the money that many ways, and not only is it cheap per-person, but it's also amazingly formal |
| 22:39.31 | ScytheBlade1 | But from the sound of it, that's not what you want ;) |
| 22:39.34 | mrpull-_ | I might enjoy Ruby River more than Flemmings based on atmosphere... even if Flemmins has better food |
| 22:39.45 | lars-ut | mrpull: I'd agree. |
| 22:40.09 | levi | I've never done the limo and tails thing, but I've dressed up for an evening at the symphony or a broadway show at the Capitol Theater fairly frequently. |
| 22:40.58 | lars-ut | mheath: If you are going to splurge, you can get excellent service anywhere. Try giving a $50 or a $20 to your server - once you find out who that is - _before_ the meal starts. You'll be amazed. |
| 22:42.14 | lars-ut | Then say something to the server like, "Please take good care of us tonight." |
| 22:42.14 | maquis | mheath: unless the two of you are *REALLY* close (as in, have been dating for a really long time), i would'nt recommend splurging too much |
| 22:43.36 | maquis | mheath: honestly, if a guy took me on a super-expensive date, i'd be really awkward |
| 22:43.47 | maquis | unless we were headed toward getting engaged or something like that |
| 22:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. There's a very fine line between the two |
| 22:44.13 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's almost easy (easy? spending money? huh) to cross it |
| 22:44.14 | maquis | the important thing is for it to be fun for both of you |
| 22:44.59 | mheath | maquis: I know. It will be. |
| 22:45.04 | mheath | Cami's amazing! |
| 22:45.29 | lars-ut | maquis: that's how I felt many years ago when my then girlfriend took me out and spent quite a bit. Didn't end up marrying her. On the other hand, a friend once asked me out to an NBA game. She paid, and it was great! |
| 22:45.29 | levi | I just took a girl out to the Melting Pot one time, which is expensive but not horribly so, and there was some discount, too. But it was kind of awkward because we weren't super close and she wasn't really comfortable with me spending all that money on her. |
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| 22:46.40 | maquis | it depends on the girl, and the situation, and all that |
| 22:47.12 | maquis | girls tend to be a bit less uncomfortable for a formal dance, since they had to put down a bunch of money for the dance too... |
| 22:50.51 | levi | I've sat in a limo, but never while it was moving. :) |
| 22:51.42 | graphyx | I've driven a 160K car that was owned by the jazz. |
| 22:51.48 | graphyx | er.. not the jazz. The blazers |
| 22:52.01 | graphyx | I was a parking valet up in Portland for a hotel. |
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| 22:58.24 | Tene | ~xbmodder |
| 22:58.26 | ibot | from memory, xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 22:58.45 | Tene | ibot: no, xbmodder is a moose. |
| 22:58.46 | ibot | Tene: okay |
| 22:58.48 | Tene | ~xbmodder |
| 22:58.50 | ibot | it has been said that xbmodder is a moose. |
| 23:00.03 | lars-ut | xbmodder: link to your world record? |
| 23:00.28 | lars-ut | xbmodder: or did I fail to recognize sarcasm? |
| 23:02.51 | mheath | ~mheath |
| 23:02.52 | ibot | it has been said that mheath is a cool guy who hasn't set any world records :) |
| 23:04.11 | Tene | ~tene |
| 23:04.12 | ibot | hmm... tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach |
| 23:04.20 | levi | ~levi |
| 23:04.22 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, levi is a male who lives in utah, or an attack dog |
| 23:07.28 | Tene | ~monster |
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| 23:07.40 | Tene | ~moose |
| 23:07.41 | ibot | [moose] elg |
| 23:11.19 | bonez39 | got a quick apt-get question..I need to instal openoffice.org-help-en..so I invoked apt-get install it....and it said...going to REMOVE all the components of Openoffice... I have OO2 installed.... |
| 23:11.35 | bonez39 | is it trying to remove old components when it says it will remove those others? |
| 23:11.41 | bonez39 | i.e. from version 1.1? |
| 23:15.04 | bonez39 | woah....it's the EF HUTTON syndrome |
| 23:19.35 | dataw0lf | what packages is it removing? |
| 23:20.23 | bonez39 | it lists the following: The following packages will be REMOVED |
| 23:20.23 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.23 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.23 | bonez39 | The following NEW packages will be installed |
| 23:20.23 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.42 | bonez39 | so it will indeed install the help file for me, but will rip out all the other core features..which doesn't make any sense |
| 23:21.08 | bonez39 | unless of course..those packages it seeks to remove are version 1.1 instead of 2.0 versions |
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| 23:39.51 | maquis | bonez39: it's just trying to be helpful |
| 23:44.14 | bonez39 | helping me by wiping out what I am using? |
| 23:44.26 | bonez39 | that's too much help....eh maquis |
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| 23:55.51 | tensai | can anybody here comment on mod_mono? specifically, we'd like to replace some ASP.NET servers and wonder if it's up to snuff. |
| 23:58.18 | maquis | bonez39: it's just emulating microsoft office help |
| 23:58.36 | maquis | "hello! i'm clippy! where do you want to crash today?" |
