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| 00:13.55 | goozbach | delta aint all bad |
| 00:14.13 | sjansen | what'd they do for you? |
| 00:14.25 | goozbach | one phone call and I didn't have to stand in line to get rebooked |
| 00:18.42 | goozbach | well hopefully |
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| 00:27.06 | sjansen | non-sense, a mid-term this early is just a test |
| 00:27.32 | elg | or an exam if you want it to sound scary |
| 00:27.32 | maquis | *sniff* |
| 00:28.06 | elg | my first homework was due today. :) |
| 00:28.30 | maquis | i have 2 tests next week... and one is in a class with only 2 midterms and a final |
| 00:50.14 | goozbach | ok so delta rocks |
| 00:50.22 | goozbach | but AA sucks |
| 00:50.44 | goozbach | thet did'n honor my reservation change |
| 00:50.59 | goozbach | so I'm stuck in chicago |
| 00:59.20 | sjansen | bummer |
| 01:03.15 | goozbach | yup |
| 01:04.07 | goozbach | I'm just pissed I had to walk there and back again |
| 01:04.38 | goozbach | where there = aa concorse |
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| 02:08.40 | maquis | http://feeds.feedburner.com/arstechnica/BAaf?m=1757 |
| 02:15.15 | maquis | A music label will be fighting on behalf of a teenager in her lawsuit against the RIAA. The label's CEO is quoted as saying: "Litigation is not 'artist development.' Litigation is a deterrent to creativity and passion and it is hurting the business I love. The current actions of the RIAA are not in my artists' best interests." |
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| 02:23.54 | Lone_Wanderer_ | got a Ruby on Rails book |
| 02:24.11 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I'm heading home where I can not read it. |
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| 03:08.36 | maquis | "A system admin's life is a sorry one. The only advantage he has over Emergency Room doctors is that malpractice suits are rare. On the other hand, ER doctors never have to deal with patients installing new versions of their own innards!" |
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| 03:29.00 | fishyfire | lol |
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| 03:30.11 | maquis | tensai: what happened to joanna earlier this week? |
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| 03:52.35 | tensai | maquis: ping |
| 03:52.42 | maquis | tensai: hi |
| 03:52.56 | maquis | did you see my question a couple minutes ago? |
| 03:52.57 | tensai | sorry about my server rebooting |
| 03:53.02 | tensai | no, I didn't |
| 03:53.10 | maquis | oh... that's what it was about |
| 03:53.15 | maquis | i was just curious what happened... |
| 03:53.56 | tensai | I dunno. I've been in Wyoming all week. We're thining it was a power blip. |
| 03:54.05 | maquis | ah |
| 03:54.18 | maquis | well... it came back up on its own... so, it wasn't a problem |
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| 04:06.07 | maquis | For some reason, if I have a vertically split window in gvim, it's insisting on having a scrollbar. I'm trying to find a way to get rid of it. Does anybody have any tips? I'm checking google, but I'm just seeing the normal "set guioptions-=l set guioptions-=r" answers... which aren't working |
| 04:06.35 | maquis | (i'm using gvim instead of regular vim because i have a better colorscheme set up for gvim) |
| 04:16.31 | tensai | ^W c |
| 04:17.12 | maquis | erm... nope... that didn't solve it |
| 04:17.41 | tensai | the scrollbar is gone though, right? |
| 04:17.56 | maquis | erm.. yeah.. but... |
| 04:18.06 | maquis | i want the best of both worlds |
| 04:19.23 | maquis | cuz... if i have gvim full-screened, but i don't use vertical splitting, the entire left-side of my screen doesn't get used |
| 04:20.40 | maquis | hmm |
| 04:20.53 | maquis | looks like just setting guioptions= does it... |
| 04:21.02 | maquis | silly thing |
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| 05:09.32 | fishyfire | are multiple post forms allowed in html on one page? |
| 05:09.57 | maquis | fishyfire: my assumption would be yes... but i don't know |
| 05:10.07 | maquis | i don't see why they wouldn't |
| 05:10.20 | fishyfire | i'm trying to get this form so show up in ie and firefox |
| 05:10.25 | maquis | and... i've seen places that do multiple |
| 05:10.41 | fishyfire | not sure what's going on but i've had to add it twice, one shows up one place, the other the other place |
| 05:10.55 | maquis | ?? |
| 05:11.13 | fishyfire | the problem i am down to now, is the submit button isn't clickable on one of the pages |
| 05:11.44 | fishyfire | i've put the same form on the same page twice, and it only shows up once in each browser |
| 05:12.03 | fishyfire | does that make any sense? |
| 05:13.12 | fishyfire | i wouldn't normally have an issue with it, i don't think, but i'm trying to edit code by hand that was created by a webpage builder program |
| 05:14.04 | fishyfire | i normally just do the code by hand |
| 05:15.36 | fishyfire | and the submit button that is showing up in firefox but isn't clickable is clickable in netscape |
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| 05:20.03 | maquis | fishyfire: that's probably the problem... |
| 05:20.15 | fishyfire | what's the prob? |
| 05:20.26 | maquis | editing code that was created by a webpage builder |
| 05:21.28 | fishyfire | hmm yeah |
| 05:21.54 | fishyfire | any suggestion of how to fix it or make it work right? |
| 05:23.03 | maquis | i don't... |
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| 05:50.31 | xbmodder_lappy | fishyfire, is it W3C valid? |
| 05:51.19 | fishyfire | turned out it was just my browser being dumb |
| 05:51.28 | fishyfire | time to update |
| 05:51.38 | fishyfire | thanks though |
| 05:54.49 | xbmodder_lappy | oh :( |
| 05:55.31 | fishyfire | no, it's a good thing! |
| 05:57.55 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 05:58.10 | maquis | so, apparently apache on my server has the sections to configure php commented out |
| 05:58.14 | maquis | and yet... php scripts work |
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| 06:20.02 | Hhhhh | maquis, don't investigate too much...or they'll get ya |
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| 06:44.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone here know anything about playing with /dev/dsp? |
| 06:55.47 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: What do you mean, 'playing with /dev/dsp'? |
| 06:55.51 | mheath | How does one play with it? |
| 06:56.35 | xbmodder_lappy | i got it, we are using alsa instead |
| 06:56.35 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 06:57.05 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone know where I can find docs on decoding mp3s, oggs, finding header info on PCM files, etc |
| 07:08.13 | findlay | you need docs to do that? Lately I've just been doing them in my head |
| 07:09.25 | Hhhhh | decoding mp3s in your head? wow, you must have some serious computer power there |
| 07:12.43 | xbmodder_lappy | wow. |
| 07:13.05 | xbmodder_lappy | What OS do you have installed? |
| 07:13.17 | xbmodder_lappy | BrainOS 2.6.14? |
| 07:16.07 | xbmodder_lappy | according to this "22 56 00 00" in hex is equal to 22050. Any ideas how so? |
| 07:16.32 | findlay | well, duh |
| 07:16.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 07:17.07 | findlay | sorry, can't share why, since I don't have the source code to my mental relays |
| 07:17.55 | maquis | findlay: your mental relays are closed-source? |
| 07:18.31 | findlay | maquis: can you point me to the source? I'd love to see it |
| 07:18.45 | maquis | findlay: i'm just asking |
| 07:18.49 | maquis | i don't know where it is either |
| 07:19.45 | maquis | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22mental+relays%22+source&btnG=Search |
| 07:19.45 | maquis | hmmm |
| 07:19.45 | maquis | that's interesting... |
| 07:19.45 | maquis | can i see that? |
| 07:19.51 | findlay | darn |
| 07:19.54 | findlay | can't find it |
| 07:19.57 | findlay | must have lost it |
| 07:19.58 | maquis | haha |
| 07:20.07 | brac | ["mental relays" source - Google Search] |
| 07:22.04 | findlay | why do the dudes downstairs think they can blast their braindead noise I've often heard is commonly called music until 2 AM? |
| 07:22.23 | findlay | on Mozart's 250th birthday no less! |
| 07:22.30 | findlay | have some respect |
| 07:22.39 | maquis | haha |
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| 08:10.00 | Hhhhh | findlay, just call the cops |
| 08:10.57 | findlay | Hhhhh: yeah, the worst thing is that they start it up again at 8 AM, when I still need to sleep |
| 08:11.36 | Hhhhh | well, just don't let them go past 10:30 |
| 08:11.39 | Hhhhh | PM |
| 08:12.22 | findlay | I'ts int the honor code or something I think that you can't have loud music past 10 PM |
| 08:12.49 | Hhhhh | oh, BYU housing |
| 08:12.55 | findlay | yup |
| 08:12.59 | Hhhhh | just tell the people in charge of the complex |
| 08:13.51 | Hhhhh | and tell them not to tell who complained |
| 08:19.09 | jnbek | heh |
| 08:19.17 | jnbek | that never works |
| 08:19.57 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone wanna go blind: http://pastebin.com/526972 |
| 08:20.25 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 08:20.31 | xbmodder_lappy | crappy python code. |
| 08:23.35 | jnbek | well since i haven't started trying to learn python, i don't see what you're looking at |
| 08:23.39 | jnbek | lol |
| 08:25.16 | jnbek | sheesh, i barely hack out tcl and perl scripts, y'all'd prolly blacklist me for my crappy coding :-P |
| 08:27.44 | findlay | bravo to HP for providing full open source drivers for their printers/scanners |
| 08:37.30 | dilvie | Hey. |
| 08:37.43 | dilvie | I'm testing lace for use on knobtweakers. |
| 08:37.45 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/chat/ |
| 08:37.48 | dilvie | check it out. |
| 10:27.53 | dilvie | can somebody hit this URL for me? I'm debugging. |
| 10:27.55 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/chat/ |
| 11:02.40 | dilvie | yay |
| 11:15.21 | goozbach | yay! I now get to leave Chicago |
| 11:27.29 | goozbach | now here to see if I make my flight |
| 11:35.33 | QBFreak | funness |
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| 15:02.18 | fishyfire | ping maqui |
| 15:02.23 | fishyfire | ping maquis |
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| 15:48.30 | elg | heh. my uncle (who is very entrepeneurial and well off) is doing a sports-based IM client |
| 15:49.42 | elg | it apparently gateways to all your other IM services (well except XMPP, but I told him to check into it). he's very not technical, so I know someone's selling it to him |
| 15:50.08 | elg | but I asked "I reckon somebody's selling you a branded IM client?" and he said "we are selling the branded IM" |
| 15:50.47 | elg | it's hard to carry on conversations across a technological chasm. :) |
| 15:53.34 | elg | ~spell fecitious |
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| 17:22.40 | bonez39 | if I add a new group, and call it "biz" and then create a new user and add them to that new group.... can I control where they can roam on my system? can I contain them to just the folders I want them to access..if they are using scp and ssh to login? |
| 17:22.59 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, yeah |
| 17:23.16 | bonez39 | xbmodder_lappy, how? any howtos about this? |
| 17:23.39 | bonez39 | I need to grant a few others access to my system, but don't want them to be able to roam....or wander..just to go to their specific folders |
| 17:23.48 | xbmodder_lappy | selinux might be able to. |
| 17:23.51 | bonez39 | headache? that's what I take care of |
| 17:23.51 | xbmodder_lappy | and chattr |
| 17:24.20 | xbmodder_lappy | like what do you mean by "roam" like get out of /home/bizuser |
| 17:24.26 | bonez39 | yeah...... |
| 17:24.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
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| 17:24.53 | bonez39 | I don't want them to be able to go over to /home/myuserfolder.... .. I have stuff in there that I need to keep private...patient letters and such.... |
| 17:24.54 | xbmodder_lappy | what distro? |
| 17:24.58 | bonez39 | debian 3.1 |
| 17:25.10 | xbmodder_lappy | give me a minute to think |
| 17:25.21 | bonez39 | ok |
| 17:25.38 | findlay | if you''re goinng the permissions route, you would have to chmod w-r *everything* on your system, well almost everything |
| 17:25.54 | findlay | there's got to be a better way than that |
| 17:26.03 | findlay | maybe a jail of some sort |
| 17:26.40 | findlay | oh |
| 17:26.45 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, I think with attributes you can hit one user |
| 17:26.48 | goozbach | bonez39: scponly |
| 17:27.53 | findlay | if it's you're home dir you want invisible, that should be easy. Just 'chmod 700 /home/youruser' or 'chmod 770 /home/youruser' |
| 17:28.24 | findlay | then nobody in your user group will be able to read your home dir |
| 17:28.34 | findlay | nobody that's not, that is |
| 17:30.54 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm... |
| 17:31.11 | elg | -lart zzzirk |
| 17:31.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Is debian built with ACLs by default? |
| 17:47.13 | goozbach | dumbest show on TV? |
| 17:47.26 | goozbach | my vote: any power rangers dealio |
| 17:48.12 | goozbach | http://www.sublimation.org/scponly/ |
| 17:48.14 | brac | [scponly homepage] |
| 18:07.15 | bonez39 | findlay, that works..keeps out other users.... |
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| 19:25.36 | maquis | sdf |
| 19:26.12 | elg | jkl |
| 19:26.19 | findlay | cke |
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| 19:46.40 | hpcd | who here has taken or is taking CS 124 at BYU? |
| 19:49.25 | elg | which is that? |
| 19:51.19 | maquis | hpcd: i've taken it |
| 19:51.21 | maquis | why? |
| 19:51.58 | maquis | elg: it's the hardware-ish one... i think it used to be 143 |
| 19:52.27 | findlay | they lowered the course number to make it seem easier |
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| 20:20.13 | hpcd | maquis i have a question for you about it.... let me type |
| 20:20.45 | Tene | I've taken it |
| 20:22.22 | hpcd | looking at an instruction like this... ADD 0001 001 100 0 00 101 the first 4 is the opcode. second is where it will be stored. third is... blah balh. well what does 00 do? what is it's significance |
| 20:22.31 | hpcd | dealing with the LC-3 |
| 20:26.47 | hpcd | if that makes any sense? |
| 20:27.52 | hpcd | 0001 001 100 0 00 101 is the ADD instruction on the LC-3 |
| 20:34.10 | maquis | hpcd: no idea |
| 20:34.16 | maquis | i blocked all that from my mind |
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| 20:49.02 | Kuyaedz | anybody home? |
| 20:49.37 | maquis | nope |
| 20:50.10 | findlay | maquis isn't home |
| 20:50.38 | Kuyaedz | I'm having an issue here with SMTP if anyone wants to take a stab at it.. |
| 20:51.38 | Tene | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/17/kent_killer_not_killer/ |
| 20:51.40 | brac | [Hitman jailed for lack of death | The Register] |
| 20:52.06 | graphyx | Kuyaedz: I think SMTP is great. What problems do you have with it? |
| 20:52.10 | levi | Gah, I just wasted so much chocolate. |
| 20:52.16 | Tene | howso? |
| 20:52.58 | Kuyaedz | graphyx: I recently migrated my webhost (VHCS) to another machine. Everything works except for smtp. I get a permission denied master.cf ... |
| 20:53.26 | levi | I was attempting to make chocolate fondue. |
| 20:53.29 | graphyx | oh.. you have a problem with an smtp server. |
| 20:53.32 | graphyx | That's different. |
| 20:53.42 | levi | The recipies all called for cream. |
| 20:53.52 | levi | So I'd add cream, and the chocolate would separate. :/ |
| 20:54.05 | Kuyaedz | graphyx: yeah.. for a short-term fix I repointed smtp to my mirror, but I would like to get it fixed on my main server.. |
| 20:54.31 | graphyx | I haven't ever set up a smtp server, so I don't think I could help you out. |
| 20:57.06 | Kuyaedz | Hmm.. |
| 20:57.31 | Kuyaedz | not sure what I missed in the migration. I guess I'll keep using my mirror for email & main for web/dns/ftp/etc.. gotta be something simple (isn't it always) |
| 21:02.50 | Hhhhh | which one is a good internet filter for linux? this is for installation on a single computer only |
| 21:03.13 | findlay | privoxy? ?? |
| 21:04.50 | Hhhhh | findlay, does it filter porn? |
| 21:04.57 | Hhhhh | it seems more like an email filter |
| 21:05.19 | findlay | I've seen it filter sites before, but I've never set it up |
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| 21:12.40 | QBFreak_ | the internet is such a small place, I'm looking for a GEDCOM parser and I stumble across some ruby "...submitted by Hans Fugal" |
| 21:13.03 | graphyx | You have to watch out for him... |
| 21:13.15 | graphyx | But since the topic is GEDCOM it doesn't surprise me anyway. |
| 21:13.15 | QBFreak_ | I heard he wants to take over the world |
| 21:20.15 | mheath | Has anyone ever create a template for Open Office's Impress? |
| 21:21.26 | mheath | *created |
| 21:29.41 | findlay | Kuyaedz: does your /etc/postfix/main.cf file exist? |
| 21:31.34 | mheath | I can find no documentation on creating Impress templates. |
| 21:31.52 | mheath | I've been searching for a while, and I'm usually good at finding hard-to-find stuff on the net. |
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| 21:37.23 | Kuyaedz | findlay: yes |
| 21:37.54 | Kuyaedz | findlay: I've got main.cf, master.cf.. I wonder if its an issue with incorrect chown or chmod from the migration |
| 21:38.04 | findlay | how did you copy your system filesystem to the new machine? |
| 21:38.25 | Kuyaedz | rsync -avz <remote files> <destination> |
| 21:39.28 | Kuyaedz | I've got the contents of /etc/postfix here side by side (OLD & NEW) and permissions & ownership match. |
| 21:39.35 | findlay | can you verify the permissions are the sime |
| 21:40.08 | Kuyaedz | ls -al outputs match |
| 21:40.32 | findlay | did you rsync the system while it was running? |
| 21:41.04 | Kuyaedz | I suppose I could have done it before killing postfix.. can't remember now. I tried to stop process before moving files but I could have missed that |
| 21:42.10 | elg | QBFreak_: was it the ruby quiz I suppose? |
| 21:42.20 | Kuyaedz | should I try reinstall postfix, stop process, move files & restart? |
| 21:42.21 | QBFreak_ | yeah |
| 21:42.35 | elg | that's not exactly production quality code, but jamis buck has a lib that might fit your needs |
| 21:42.44 | findlay | Kuyaedz: I don't know. Try what you can |
| 21:43.10 | elg | the gedcom module in perl is quite good |
| 21:43.21 | elg | mature and well-tested |
| 21:43.25 | Kuyaedz | I started to say "I guess it can't get any more broke than it is" but that is never true in our trade is it :) |
| 21:43.27 | QBFreak_ | cool |
| 21:44.28 | QBFreak_ | kuyaedz: once it starts billowing smoke its a lot closer to "can't get any more broke" |
| 21:44.47 | elg | there's a C parser that is really good too, if you're crazy enough to work in C |
| 21:45.04 | QBFreak_ | I took C++ and advanced C++ but that was two years ago :) |
| 21:45.09 | QBFreak_ | me hasn't touched it since |
| 21:49.33 | Kuyaedz | uhm, findlay you're my hero |
| 21:49.56 | Kuyaedz | removed postfix, reinstalled & STOPPED service. Then I clean-removed the /etc/postfix directory & resync the files. works now |
| 21:49.57 | Kuyaedz | thanks |
| 21:50.29 | findlay | I know. I'm a genius. |
| 21:52.03 | Kuyaedz | thanks |
| 21:53.07 | findlay | it might have been that postfix wasn't rsync'd in a stable or "off" state |
| 21:53.18 | findlay | whatever that means |
| 21:54.18 | Kuyaedz | yeah, makes sense |
| 21:54.32 | Kuyaedz | works now though.. note to self: NEVER MIGRATE SERVERS AGAIN lol |
| 21:54.50 | findlay | or just do it with a knoppix CD |
| 21:56.26 | findlay | when I got my new hard drive I 'cp -a' on user and other data, but since I knew the root partitions were exactly the same on the new and old drives, I was cavalier and did a 'dd </dev/hda5 >/dev/sda5' |
| 21:56.44 | findlay | (: |
| 21:59.58 | Kuyaedz | I guess that would have been simpler huh :) |
| 22:01.17 | findlay | riskier, I think |
| 22:02.01 | findlay | the main idea is to copy the root filesystem while it's not live, like from a liveCD |
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| 22:17.40 | Kuyaedz | well now that is done I'm not sure what to do with myself.. if I don't have a project I'm stir crazy |
| 22:18.27 | findlay | Kuyaedz: try fluxbox. You'll be configuring off into the sunset. |
| 22:18.55 | Kuyaedz | lol. thats another gdm right? |
| 22:19.05 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:19.22 | Kuyaedz | I use Xfce now. I like simplicity. |
| 22:20.15 | findlay | it's a window manager |
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