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| 00:13.02 | sjansen | http://www.gplv4.org/ |
| 00:13.03 | brac | [GPLv4] |
| 00:13.46 | Jayce^ | woohoo.... nerf drive by's |
| 00:14.57 | goozbach | ohhh... |
| 00:16.19 | Jayce^ | middle of one of the normal nerf battles here, I have the cube-mate push me while kneeling on a cart |
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| 00:53.25 | hans | week 4 of at least one refusal to speak in church |
| 00:54.52 | pmcnabb | i read the article goozbach posted about the super gun, |
| 00:55.08 | pmcnabb | nobody mentioned that the CEO of Metal Storm is David Smith |
| 00:55.14 | pmcnabb | ; ) |
| 00:56.40 | pmcnabb | "Metal Storm's speed allows it to lay down a blinding wall of slugs that can intercept and pulverize incoming enemy fire, according to company CEO David Smith." |
| 00:57.13 | hans | i knew that guy was dangerous |
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| 02:05.01 | maquis | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060124-6036.html |
| 02:05.54 | maquis | "oh... you mean that copyright stuff applies to use too???" |
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| 02:19.15 | hpcd | hi |
| 02:23.41 | goozbach | zup |
| 02:24.45 | hpcd | not too much, just passed off a lab |
| 02:24.50 | hpcd | what about you? |
| 02:28.44 | goozbach | chillin in the hotel |
| 02:38.11 | hpcd | what project do you have? |
| 02:40.03 | maquis | cs460 --- p2p gedcom system, part I |
| 02:40.35 | hpcd | sounds like a lot of code |
| 02:40.45 | maquis | not all that much |
| 02:40.53 | maquis | i just am trying to learn python while working on it |
| 02:41.00 | maquis | and with my luck with computers.... |
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| 04:46.44 | levi | So, apparently my uncle was involved in the rocket launch of that probe that's going to Pluto. |
| 04:46.52 | levi | He worked on the solid rocket booster. |
| 04:47.30 | Tene | My uncle runs a museum! |
| 04:47.36 | maquis | levi: wow |
| 04:47.39 | maquis | Tene: what kind? |
| 04:47.50 | tensai | new horizons. I don't know if I could wait 9 years to see results of a scientific experiment. |
| 04:47.56 | Tene | Natural History |
| 04:49.25 | levi | tensai: Well, there's not a lot of choice in the matter. :) |
| 04:49.46 | mheath | levi: Cool. My dad helped extensively with the newest series of Minuteman missiles, as well as the Peacekeeper missiles |
| 04:50.16 | mheath | Plus some weird never-did-anything and not-really-practical laser-based defense mechanisms leftover from Reagan's Star Wars |
| 04:50.25 | tensai | levi: my choice is to do something else, but you're right. I'm sure I'll be excited in 2015 though. |
| 04:51.15 | levi | It'll be interesting to see what it turns up, but I dunno that I'll be excited about it. I'll probably have forgotten. :) |
| 04:51.36 | maquis | haha |
| 04:52.08 | QBFreak | oh yeah? well my uncle... |
| 04:52.15 | QBFreak | lets see, what did he do |
| 04:52.15 | tensai | I assume the project scientists will make a lot of noise since they'll have been waiting for so long. |
| 04:52.33 | QBFreak | sent me a shirt that says "Bill Gates stole my idea" |
| 04:52.35 | maquis | my dad's saved a lot of lives... does that count for coolness? |
| 04:52.40 | levi | It's weird to consider that my uncle's job can actually be considered 'rocket scientist' |
| 04:52.43 | QBFreak | maquis: always |
| 04:52.46 | Hhhhh | my uncle runs a bank ;) |
| 04:52.46 | maquis | QBFreak: cool! |
| 04:52.49 | Hhhhh | I win |
| 04:52.55 | Tene | My other uncle works for Bill Gates. |
| 04:53.11 | tensai | ~lart Tene's other uncle |
| 04:53.16 | levi | Another uncle gave me a hat that says "Levi's" on the back. |
| 04:54.01 | levi | Another uncle fought in Vietnam. |
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| 04:55.37 | levi | Another one used to run a drug and alcohol-free 'hang-out' place and concert venue for his community. |
| 04:55.57 | QBFreak | levi makes us all look bad |
| 04:56.43 | maquis | levi: how many uncles do you have? |
| 04:57.05 | levi | On the other hand, one of my aunts made the news here in Utah during their 'Prison Brides' story, in which she was interviewed for marrying a convicted murderer. |
| 04:57.24 | levi | So, I also now have an uncle that killed someone. |
| 04:57.33 | QBFreak | quite the family |
| 04:57.37 | maquis | levi: wow! |
| 04:57.48 | maquis | was he a convicted murderer when she married him? |
| 04:57.52 | levi | And is currently locked up at the prison in Bluffdale. |
| 04:57.53 | maquis | and if so, why'd she do that? |
| 04:58.12 | levi | maquis: Yes, he was doing time in Gunnison at the time, where she and her previous husband lived. |
| 04:58.30 | maquis | why'd she.... |
| 04:58.32 | levi | maquis: She's a bit nutty. Very nice, though. |
| 04:59.05 | levi | Apparently it's a fairly common phenomenon for certain women to fall for inmates. Thus the 'Prison Brides' story. |
| 04:59.18 | QBFreak | silly Utah people |
| 04:59.24 | levi | It's not just Utah. |
| 04:59.32 | QBFreak | you're letting it spread? |
| 04:59.44 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:59.54 | maquis | levi: obviously i'm just not that type |
| 05:00.09 | levi | maquis: I'll bet she didn't think she was that type either. ;) |
| 05:00.15 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 05:00.16 | maquis | i mean... the idea of a rebel is certainly kinda... but... |
| 05:00.50 | levi | There used to be an online news page with the story and interviews, but it was gone from the web last time I searched. |
| 05:02.23 | mheath | my sisters husband is a convicted rapist |
| 05:03.04 | levi | Anyway, my dad is a judge for the state of Washington. A judge for the executive branch, though, rather than the judicial. Odd, eh? He handles workers comp. claims. |
| 05:03.30 | maquis | levi: olympia? |
| 05:03.32 | levi | mheath: Perhaps your sister has a similar weirdness to my aunt's weirdness. |
| 05:03.53 | levi | maquis: He goes all over the state to hear cases, actually. |
| 05:04.54 | levi | maquis: I don't recall where his official office is. Either Olympia or Seattle. |
| 05:05.31 | maquis | levi: that's cool |
| 05:05.50 | levi | Before his judge job (and a couple of other brief ones) he was a JAG officer in the Army. |
| 05:07.32 | hans | levi: my uncle is an aerospace engineer. I think that includes rockets, but it's close in any case. :) |
| 05:07.52 | levi | hans: Where's he work? |
| 05:08.02 | hans | somewhere in california |
| 05:08.14 | hans | I can't remember the place exactly |
| 05:09.36 | levi | Don't know what company? |
| 05:11.08 | hans | no. no murderers though. although I do have an uncle that worked at lehi roller mills as their IT/programmer guy since like the 80s |
| 05:11.23 | hans | who'da thunk lehi roller mills would have their own coder(s)... but they did |
| 05:11.45 | levi | I dunno what Lehi Roller Mills even is. |
| 05:12.26 | hans | when you drive by lehi and look over and see that big mill, that's it |
| 05:12.52 | hans | they roll wheat mostly, so lots of flour, whole wheat, and silly muffin mixes |
| 05:13.26 | QBFreak | and roller skates! |
| 05:15.03 | levi | No serious muffin mixes? |
| 05:17.36 | maquis | hans: it's always interesting to see what kinds of companies have IT/programmer guys :) |
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| 05:17.55 | hans | levi: is any muffin mix serious? |
| 05:18.12 | maquis | hans: there's some tasty ones |
| 05:18.14 | hans | they have lots of mixes, of course. pancakes, breads, you name it. probably good stuff too, as far as mixes go. I've never tried |
| 05:18.18 | levi | hans: Well, if they can be silly, why not serious? |
| 05:19.02 | levi | Ahhhhh, this music has a stereo panning effect that goes back and forth, and it's rather disconcerting. |
| 05:20.48 | xbmodder_lappy | what is iDEN? |
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| 05:30.20 | QBFreak | "Integrated Digital Enhanced Network" |
| 05:30.24 | QBFreak | google is your friend :) |
| 05:30.37 | xbmodder_lappy | english... |
| 05:30.47 | xbmodder_lappy | is good. |
| 05:32.46 | xbmodder_lappy | Would you guys pay 50 bucks a month for _literally_ infinite calls from you cell phone |
| 05:33.21 | emcnabb | if I made a lot of phone calls from my cell phone I would |
| 05:33.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Mainly incoming... |
| 05:33.32 | xbmodder_lappy | Really free incoming |
| 05:33.42 | xbmodder_lappy | it'd be a pain to make outgoing calls though. |
| 05:34.42 | QBFreak | you can almost fit all the calls I've had (in or out) in the past month in the 15-last-calls list on my phone |
| 05:34.49 | emcnabb | I put a lot of minutes on my phone, but most calls are on the same network so they're unlimited (for $5 month) |
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| 05:37.47 | levi | I need to cancel my phone service and get a pay-as-you-go plan. |
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| 05:38.22 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 05:38.40 | maquis | -lart SpecialK |
| 05:38.54 | SpecialK | who is SA in this context? |
| 05:39.41 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, sprinty? |
| 05:39.51 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 05:40.08 | emcnabb | all cell phone companies suck |
| 05:40.39 | emcnabb | my wife's dad works at Verizon though, so I probably shouldn't say that too often |
| 05:42.41 | maquis | my family's had better success with verizon than with sprint, etc... |
| 05:42.44 | maquis | but yes, they all suck |
| 05:43.03 | emcnabb | the only reason I use Sprint is their data plan |
| 05:43.18 | maquis | ah |
| 05:43.39 | maquis | i use verizon because that's what my family uses, and that's who i normally call... |
| 05:43.47 | emcnabb | the EDVO plan is too expensive, and I don't know if SLC is completely covered yet |
| 05:44.08 | emcnabb | evdo |
| 05:44.13 | emcnabb | whoops |
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| 05:54.15 | wbillings | hi, i am relocating to utah in a couple of days from LA and i am wondering if there is a BSD based user group in Utah.... |
| 05:55.25 | maquis | wbillings: erm... there's gubug |
| 05:55.34 | maquis | let me see if i can figure out where the website is again |
| 05:55.41 | wbillings | thank you |
| 05:55.46 | maquis | http://gubug.org/ |
| 05:55.47 | brac | [GUBUG] |
| 05:55.56 | maquis | some people are in #gubug, btw |
| 05:56.46 | wbillings | are they still active? looks like the last meeting was in sept 05 |
| 05:57.07 | maquis | dunno |
| 05:57.10 | maquis | never made it to a meeting |
| 05:57.15 | maquis | you could ask in #gubug, though |
| 05:58.54 | wbillings | thanks... |
| 06:03.30 | levi | wbillings: You could always go to one of the Linux User Groups, if the BSD one isn't very active. Most of the topics would still be relevant. |
| 06:03.58 | levi | Ideological purity must not be required, since they let me go. ;) |
| 06:06.14 | wbillings | what are the demographics of the slug and plug? in other words, would an old timer be welcome or is there a age "glass ceiling"? |
| 06:07.26 | QBFreak | if they kick you out you can rap them on the knuckles with your cane |
| 06:07.59 | wbillings | excellent... and can i tell them to "get of the lawn"? |
| 06:08.07 | levi | I'm not sure about sllug, but plug tends towards 20-somethings. |
| 06:08.24 | QBFreak | you can even regale them with the "this is how we did it and we LIKED it" stories |
| 06:08.42 | wbillings | back in the day when we used to IPL servers.... |
| 06:08.45 | QBFreak | disclaimer: I'm neither from Utah nor been to any of the group meetings :) |
| 06:08.45 | levi | But I'm sure you'd be welcome, if you didn't mind hanging around with a bunch of kids. ;) |
| 06:09.05 | QBFreak | heh, I've only ever had to do that with tape drives... |
| 06:09.46 | SpecialK | PLUG could use some mature members |
| 06:10.56 | wbillings | i will be woking in utah county, but will be living in slc as uc is not ready for the likes of me ;) |
| 06:10.58 | levi | wbillings: More important than your age is your vim vs. emacs preference. ;) |
| 06:11.13 | Hhhhh | levi, yea, the more you hate both equally, the better |
| 06:11.28 | SpecialK | Why would an old BSD user go for emacs? |
| 06:11.34 | Hhhhh | I don't discriminate between vi and emacs users, I hate them socialistically equal |
| 06:11.56 | QBFreak | vim was the first one I figured out how to close, I've used it ever since :) |
| 06:12.01 | wbillings | oh no... okay... for everyday quick and dirty editing, vim... for the heacy duty stuff, emacs... but i really prefer ed |
| 06:12.33 | QBFreak | but I must confess, living in a windows world I really like TextPad :) |
| 06:12.48 | maquis | QBFreak: is that better than notepad? |
| 06:12.56 | QBFreak | yes |
| 06:12.56 | wbillings | much... |
| 06:13.14 | maquis | erm... |
| 06:13.29 | wbillings | you can code on a windoze box ;) |
| 06:13.36 | Hhhhh | and code well |
| 06:13.37 | QBFreak | I've not done any serious coding in it, but batch files and scripting languages and the like |
| 06:13.53 | maquis | wbillings: kinda |
| 06:14.01 | levi | PLUG seems heavily biased against emacs, at least among the more vocal members. |
| 06:14.33 | wbillings | in order to use emacs, and i mean USE emacs, you need to be commited to it... |
| 06:14.42 | wbillings | it is not for the faint of heart... |
| 06:15.06 | Hhhhh | heh, thanks, grammarbot ;) |
| 06:15.41 | QBFreak | I was refering to mental institutions |
| 06:15.43 | maquis | ~spell grammarbot |
| 06:16.02 | QBFreak | but honestly I was just poking fun, I don't really think there is one perfect editor for everyone :) |
| 06:16.06 | maquis | QBFreak: ah... that makes sense :) |
| 06:16.10 | QBFreak | use what works for ya |
| 06:16.43 | maquis | erm... |
| 06:16.51 | maquis | ~google python strlen |
| 06:17.13 | maquis | did someone take that feature away from ibot? |
| 06:17.29 | Hhhhh | I'd think serious people who know their stuff would be beyond these silly editor/distro/OS wars |
| 06:17.31 | SpecialK | I caught the mental institution joke. Any user of the true ancient and venerable editor would knock emacs |
| 06:17.31 | levi | wbillings: I'm the resident C and Perl hater, Lisp/Scheme lover, and an emacs user. :) |
| 06:17.50 | Hhhhh | wbillings, but don't worry, we keep levi in a leash |
| 06:17.51 | Hhhhh | ;) |
| 06:17.54 | Hhhhh | j/k |
| 06:17.56 | maquis | SpecialK: you're the one who has trouble with vi :-P |
| 06:18.12 | maquis | ~lart scheme |
| 06:18.32 | levi | wbillings: Though I use vim for quick and dirty editing all the time, too. |
| 06:18.39 | Hhhhh | on the other hand, I encourage Scheme users to run around the hall with scissors |
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| 06:20.11 | wbillings | so, seeing that you are members of a linux users group in utah county, what are your thoughts/opinions on the who sco vs. ibm thing? |
| 06:20.22 | fozzmoo | That is so 2004. |
| 06:20.28 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 06:20.33 | maquis | fozzmoo: btw, just wanted to thank you for the good laugh i had after your response to the linux jobs thread on plug... |
| 06:20.44 | fozzmoo | Well, you're very welcome. |
| 06:20.55 | fozzmoo | I worry I can be too sardonic at times. |
| 06:21.10 | fozzmoo | wbillings: PLUG meets across the street from the SCO headquarters. How's that for irony? |
| 06:21.14 | maquis | wbillings: not that different from all the other linux users group members' opinions, i'd guess... |
| 06:21.31 | wbillings | ack |
| 06:21.33 | maquis | we have frank, though... so we follow it better |
| 06:21.38 | SpecialK | they had a protest outside of SCO headquarters one day |
| 06:21.52 | maquis | fun signs... |
| 06:22.07 | wbillings | is there photographic evidence of this so called protest ? :) |
| 06:22.16 | fozzmoo | There's video, if I remember. |
| 06:22.36 | QBFreak | they have you all arrested for using that illegal linux stuff? |
| 06:22.48 | maquis | if you google "darl mcbride" in google images, some pics from the protest are in the first page of results |
| 06:23.20 | maquis | wbillings: http://mirror.lug-nut.com/ |
| 06:23.21 | brac | [PLUG - Provo Linux Users Group] |
| 06:23.30 | QBFreak | 4mcnabb.net - that name sounds familiar |
| 06:24.23 | maquis | wbillings: a couple of them interviewed darl when he came out to talk... there's an ogg file someplace with all of that (and it was /.ed way back then too, iirc) |
| 06:24.35 | wbillings | okay... someone serioulsy put on a tux costume? and what is he doing to those kids ;) |
| 06:24.50 | maquis | i think it's a kid in the tux costume |
| 06:24.55 | maquis | at least that's what i gathered from the other pics |
| 06:26.19 | wbillings | love the pic of the little girl with the "sue me, i use linux" poster... nice touch... |
| 06:26.25 | emcnabb | 4mcnabb.net is cmcnabb from #Groklaw (FDFNet) |
| 06:26.26 | QBFreak | yeah, thats a good one |
| 06:26.30 | emcnabb | we have talked a lot |
| 06:26.36 | emcnabb | people think we're related |
| 06:26.39 | QBFreak | no relation to the rest of the mcnabbs here? |
| 06:26.41 | maquis | emcnabb: is he involved in the plot? |
| 06:27.00 | emcnabb | nope |
| 06:27.09 | maquis | mmk |
| 06:27.12 | maquis | wait |
| 06:27.17 | maquis | are you just saying that? |
| 06:27.18 | maquis | :) |
| 06:34.11 | wbillings | so are linux use/config questions welcome in this channel, or is it just used for polite and sometimes sarcastic chat? |
| 06:34.30 | QBFreak | hopefully welcome, as I pose them from time to time :) |
| 06:34.46 | Tene | such questions are certainly welcome. |
| 06:35.08 | wbillings | excellent... anyone familiar with the bonding driver? |
| 06:35.12 | maquis | no answers for you! |
| 06:35.15 | maquis | erm... |
| 06:35.19 | maquis | bonding driver? |
| 06:35.22 | maquis | for what? |
| 06:35.32 | wbillings | network interfaces.. |
| 06:35.37 | emcnabb | wbillings, I've messed with it a bit |
| 06:35.43 | emcnabb | under RHEL/FC |
| 06:35.47 | QBFreak | heh |
| 06:36.58 | Tene | You should bond it. |
| 06:37.40 | QBFreak | bondo! |
| 06:37.52 | QBFreak | perfect for smoothing out all those bumpy components on the NIC |
| 06:37.54 | fozzmoo | maquis: My wife and I were both CS majors. |
| 06:39.45 | wbillings | fozzmoo, is your wife still in the IT field? |
| 06:39.48 | maquis | fozzmoo: it's good to know that it's possible |
| 06:39.49 | QBFreak | ex me/atime |
| 06:39.52 | QBFreak | whoops, wrong window |
| 06:40.59 | fozzmoo | wbillings: Yeah. |
| 06:41.09 | fozzmoo | She's a software QA engineer. |
| 06:41.13 | Hhhhh | hey, I used to work at AccessData, that's across the street from SCO |
| 06:41.20 | fozzmoo | A lead, in fact. |
| 06:41.35 | Hhhhh | when SCO went bankrupt, we were gonna film when they take their sign down and send it to slashdot |
| 06:42.10 | QBFreak | bed time for me, cover letters and resume sending tomorrow |
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| 06:42.22 | wbillings | what has her experience been? we have female engineers at my day job, but they are a small minority... what has her experience been in the industry? |
| 06:42.24 | emcnabb | Hhhhh, I have a friend who used to work for AccessData a while back |
| 06:42.29 | Hhhhh | cool |
| 06:42.33 | Hhhhh | what's his name? |
| 06:42.38 | emcnabb | Kendee Jones (girl) |
| 06:42.40 | fozzmoo | wbillings: It's definitely a male-dominated field. |
| 06:42.47 | Hhhhh | don't know her |
| 06:42.55 | Hhhhh | I worked there a couple of years ago |
| 06:43.06 | fozzmoo | wbillings: And my wife isn't an ugly woman... so she has to deal with that as well. |
| 06:43.18 | emcnabb | she was in the CS program with me and we were very good friends |
| 06:43.34 | emcnabb | very hot |
| 06:44.35 | levi | We have some female software engineers at my work, but they're all from other countries. |
| 06:44.35 | wbillings | fozzmoo:that must suck for her... does she find that people take her less seriously because she is a woman or because she is not "an ugly woman"? |
| 06:44.38 | fozzmoo | wbillings: My wife has found she provides a service to her coworkers that most men can't provide: organizational skills. |
| 06:44.54 | Hhhhh | I know quite a few excellent programmers that are girls |
| 06:45.15 | Hhhhh | fozzmoo, women tend to be very detail-oriented too |
| 06:45.21 | Hhhhh | fozzmoo, that helps a lot in programming |
| 06:45.30 | fozzmoo | Hhhhh: Exactly. |
| 06:45.50 | Hhhhh | good generalizations aren't bad |
| 06:46.00 | wbillings | generally speaking |
| 06:46.04 | fozzmoo | We want to hire a woman soon at Iodynamics... |
| 06:46.20 | fozzmoo | We need someone who is "detail oriented" and ripe with "organizational skills"... |
| 06:46.44 | fozzmoo | But, of course, we can't say "men need not apply" or something like that. |
| 06:47.11 | wbillings | fozzmoo: logan? what does the it industry look like in logan? |
| 06:47.16 | fozzmoo | logan?! |
| 06:47.30 | fozzmoo | The industry in Logan sucks. |
| 06:47.37 | fozzmoo | That's why most of our business is now in Salt Lake. |
| 06:47.40 | wbillings | iodynamics... hq in logan... |
| 06:47.42 | emcnabb | you are the industry |
| 06:47.49 | wbillings | ahh... need to update the website ;) |
| 06:48.04 | fozzmoo | Well, technically, we are still HQ'd in Logan. |
| 06:48.15 | fozzmoo | Two of my partners are still there... and our main PO Box is there. |
| 06:48.29 | fozzmoo | But most of the "action" takes place at our "Salt Lake office" |
| 06:48.50 | wbillings | i submitted a resume to an isp in logan a while back... |
| 06:48.52 | fozzmoo | Nonetheless, the website DOES need updating. |
| 06:49.00 | fozzmoo | Westhost? |
| 06:49.06 | wbillings | that would be it... |
| 06:49.16 | wbillings | couldn't afford me though ;) |
| 06:49.18 | fozzmoo | Something like that? Hostwest hostwestwebhostwestinghost? |
| 06:49.40 | fozzmoo | Did you consider the cost of living in Cache Valley is lower? |
| 06:49.54 | fozzmoo | Property values are cheap. |
| 06:49.55 | wbillings | since i am in la, anywhere in the world is lower ;) |
| 06:49.59 | fozzmoo | Good point. |
| 06:50.14 | maquis | haha |
| 06:50.15 | fozzmoo | I sold my house in Hyrum for less than $130k in 2002. |
| 06:50.23 | wbillings | moving back to utah on the 27th (sunday) and starting to work in utah county... |
| 06:50.45 | fozzmoo | Are you selling a house in CA? |
| 06:50.57 | wbillings | nope, i rent in la... |
| 06:51.01 | fozzmoo | Dang. |
| 06:51.07 | wbillings | 1300 sqft for 2200/mo |
| 06:51.15 | emcnabb | wbillings, #utah is a fun place; you should join us more often |
| 06:51.29 | SpecialK | My parent's old house near SF is worth about a million now. |
| 06:51.33 | fozzmoo | I'd love to move to southern CA for a few years, then sell the house, and move back with bags of money. |
| 06:51.51 | wbillings | the house i rent would sell for 640K... 1300 sqft, no yard... |
| 06:52.01 | QBFreak | assuming the whole state doesn't fall in the ocean by then :) |
| 06:52.27 | QBFreak | alright, I'm really out, laters all |
| 06:52.31 | fozzmoo | wbillings: Who are you going to be working for in Happy Valley? |
| 06:52.35 | Tene | Then he could come back with sacks of saltwater. |
| 06:52.35 | wbillings | night |
| 06:52.39 | wbillings | sento |
| 06:52.40 | SpecialK | Our house was built on landfill and gradually subsiding back into the SF bay. |
| 06:52.48 | fozzmoo | SpecialK: heh. Cool! |
| 06:53.13 | fozzmoo | wbillings: Sento is an outsourced tech support company, right? |
| 06:53.46 | wbillings | sort of... customer contact solutions provider... mainly a call center with nifty software tools... |
| 06:53.47 | fozzmoo | Ugh. Marketing spittle to the max! |
| 06:53.59 | SpecialK | We were in one of the more stable parts of the subdivision. We didn't have many serious settling cracks anywhere in the house. |
| 06:54.20 | wbillings | yeah... well it is a corp website... |
| 06:54.26 | fozzmoo | Do they use much open source at Sento? |
| 06:55.02 | wbillings | there is a fair amount... a fair amount of windoze as well.... |
| 06:55.20 | emcnabb | funny story about outsourcing that happened this week. I'm at HP's Roseville facility (huge campus), and we needed an extra switch in the classroom. A student called the local help desk in the building, was forwarded to India, who then forward him to Houston, who then contacted the local sys admin to bring us the switch |
| 06:55.50 | Tene | heh |
| 06:55.54 | wbillings | wow, how efficent... |
| 06:56.24 | wbillings | and that saves money how??? must be some new kind of math... |
| 06:56.37 | emcnabb | not sure how it all works... |
| 06:57.18 | maquis | wow |
| 06:57.21 | maquis | that rocks |
| 06:58.36 | wbillings | does guru labs still exist in utah? anyone know? |
| 06:58.46 | emcnabb | yeah, I work for them :-) |
| 06:59.01 | emcnabb | so does sjansen, goozbach, peregrine, etc |
| 06:59.12 | wbillings | ahh... ex-coworker's bro in law was a founder... |
| 06:59.20 | emcnabb | Dax or Bryan? |
| 06:59.28 | wbillings | dax... |
| 06:59.44 | emcnabb | fozzmoo, has done a bunch of stuff for us in the past |
| 06:59.53 | fozzmoo | yeah. |
| 07:00.31 | wbillings | maybe not... bryan's last name is ringing a bell for me.... |
| 07:00.44 | wbillings | i think dax was a friend of the bro in law... is that right? |
| 07:00.45 | emcnabb | Dax Kelson and Bryan Croft |
| 07:00.55 | emcnabb | um... not sure |
| 07:01.24 | wbillings | doesn't matter... good to see them still around... |
| 07:01.39 | emcnabb | and doing well |
| 07:02.35 | fozzmoo | emcnabb: Dax build his fort in the canyon yet? |
| 07:02.58 | emcnabb | not yet; I think they're doing it next summer |
| 07:03.09 | wbillings | what is the business model now? used to be training/testing for linux certification... |
| 07:03.27 | emcnabb | same thing |
| 07:03.33 | emcnabb | a lot more courseware development |
| 07:03.35 | wbillings | looks like it still is according to the website... |
| 07:03.50 | emcnabb | we sell books to a lot of training facilities |
| 07:04.17 | wbillings | how many heads? |
| 07:04.17 | emcnabb | lots of traveling, teaching, and writing |
| 07:04.23 | emcnabb | ~10 |
| 07:04.25 | ibot | There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 07:04.31 | emcnabb | dang you ibot |
| 07:04.44 | emcnabb | ~lart wbillings |
| 07:04.55 | emcnabb | ~lart wbillings |
| 07:05.30 | wbillings | ouch... not nice ibot... you suck |
| 07:05.37 | emcnabb | haha |
| 07:07.56 | wbillings | what would a "fort in the canyon" entail? |
| 07:09.53 | emcnabb | just building a house |
| 07:10.02 | emcnabb | well, it's night night time for me |
| 07:10.09 | emcnabb | later all |
| 07:10.28 | wbillings | night... |
| 07:11.19 | wbillings | i better get to bed to... i have 3 days to dump my brain before i leave my current day job... |
| 07:11.30 | maquis | :) |
| 07:20.58 | levi | Wow, this place sells some pretty crazy stuff for med students to practice with: http://www.golimbs.com/ |
| 07:21.31 | fozzmoo | Who woulda thunk? |
| 07:22.02 | fozzmoo | I wonder if those models say "Ow!" when you stick em. |
| 07:23.02 | fozzmoo | Oooh! Hernia Repair Trainer! |
| 07:23.23 | fozzmoo | Abdominal Opening and Closure Trainer |
| 07:23.29 | fozzmoo | Great site. |
| 07:23.37 | levi | fozzmoo: Just watch out for the strap-on breasts. |
| 07:23.40 | fozzmoo | Translucent uterus... |
| 07:23.47 | fozzmoo | Yours for only $109... |
| 07:23.49 | fozzmoo | Call now. |
| 07:23.53 | fozzmoo | Operators are standing around. |
| 07:24.14 | levi | fozzmoo: Well, I imagine these sell well to medical schools. |
| 07:24.25 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 07:25.01 | fozzmoo | Oh wow! |
| 07:25.02 | fozzmoo | http://www.golimbs.com/products/products.php?sectid=MinorSurgery&id=80060 |
| 07:25.15 | fozzmoo | Ingrowing Toenail Trainer |
| 07:26.32 | levi | Ow. |
| 07:27.21 | maquis | diagnostic face with lesions |
| 07:30.06 | maquis | http://www.golimbs.com/products/products.php?sectid=PatientCare&id=KKM75 |
| 07:31.34 | maquis | this is interesting |
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| 15:36.24 | goozbach | so how do I chat with someone using AIM when I have no acoount? |
| 15:36.46 | goozbach | I saw something on digg or /. about using google talk |
| 15:36.54 | goozbach | but now I can't find it |
| 15:41.52 | goozbach | odd I don't remember signing up for a AOL account |
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| 16:49.12 | Goshen | IS anyone else having comcast conectivity problems? |
| 16:52.08 | synic | Goshen: yup. |
| 16:52.21 | synic | I know a few other people that are as well. |
| 16:52.31 | Goshen | oh good! |
| 16:52.44 | synic | I'd have already switched to xmission... but no DSL line is available in my apartment complex |
| 16:52.54 | Goshen | no DSL available at my place either |
| 16:53.43 | synic | I've had a tech twice out to my house |
| 16:53.47 | synic | dude said "There's nothing wrong" |
| 16:56.05 | Goshen | oh shesh |
| 16:56.11 | Goshen | I bought a new modem! |
| 16:56.27 | Goshen | the problem is intermittent |
| 16:56.31 | Goshen | which is frustrating |
| 16:56.46 | Goshen | where do you live? |
| 16:56.48 | Goshen | I am in West Jordan |
| 16:56.55 | Goshen | 7300 S 3300 West |
| 16:59.04 | synic | I'm downtown |
| 16:59.09 | Goshen | oh wow |
| 16:59.20 | Goshen | isn't just my neiborhood then |
| 16:59.40 | synic | my friend in Magna has the same problem |
| 16:59.46 | synic | couple others downtown |
| 16:59.46 | Goshen | did it start 10pm saturday night? |
| 17:00.00 | synic | no, it's been happening since December 23rd. |
| 17:00.14 | Goshen | ahh, I didn't start having problems till recently |
| 17:00.21 | Goshen | and I use it extensively |
| 17:00.39 | Goshen | UTOPIA SAVE US!! |
| 17:00.52 | synic | is it up for about 5 minutes - with great speeds, and then completely unresponsive for another 5? |
| 17:01.06 | Goshen | yes |
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| 17:01.22 | Goshen | that sounds about right... |
| 17:01.28 | Goshen | what does your log say? |
| 17:01.36 | Goshen | 192.168.100.1 |
| 17:01.41 | Goshen | you can see your cable modem logs |
| 17:01.52 | Goshen | my error messages changed when I got a new surfboard |
| 17:01.55 | synic | hrmm, lemme see if I can ssh in and lynx it. |
| 17:02.11 | Goshen | I was using a surfboard 4100 now just upgraded to the new 5150 or something like that |
| 17:02.24 | Goshen | I am at work as well |
| 17:02.33 | Goshen | I can barely get in to my server at home |
| 17:02.42 | synic | yeah, it's still not responding... |
| 17:03.31 | Goshen | mine is working decently right now |
| 17:03.45 | Goshen | 060124180722 3-Critical R02.0 No Ranging Response received - T3 time-out |
| 17:04.22 | synic | hrmm... I wonder if the IP changed when I was trying to fix it |
| 17:04.28 | synic | bleh. |
| 17:04.46 | Goshen | 060124185345 5-Warning D03.0 DHCP WARNING - Non-critical field invalid in response |
| 17:04.46 | Goshen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.24 | Goshen | I just told it to reboot |
| 17:05.32 | Goshen | see if I can a fresh set of error messages |
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| 17:08.05 | findlay | hans: is there a way to make vim hide all lines containing a pattern? |
| 17:08.26 | hans | hide? |
| 17:08.40 | findlay | kind of like code folding |
| 17:08.57 | hans | folding only really applies to more than one line |
| 17:09.03 | Goshen | Signal to Noise Ratio 36 dB |
| 17:11.09 | maquis | my site seems to be working fine |
| 17:11.13 | Goshen | Power Level 45 dBmV |
| 17:13.47 | hans | findlay: you could always filter in conjunction with sed |
| 17:13.53 | hans | but that's not so much hiding as deleting |
| 17:16.32 | hans | i see the value though - getting rid of more than one line of comments in an overly-copiously-commented config file |
| 17:16.51 | hans | you might be able to do that (>1 being the key) with folding |
| 17:17.18 | graphyx | What about close this function and have it only show the first line? |
| 17:18.32 | hans | yeah, that's folding |
| 17:18.39 | hans | :help folding.txt |
| 17:18.54 | graphyx | ok. |
| 17:19.01 | graphyx | Just not that familiar with the term. |
| 17:19.20 | hans | yeah, it's pretty slick stuff |
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| 17:20.25 | sjansen | ~fold hans |
| 17:25.30 | sjansen | http://www.vmunix.com/mark/blog/archives/2006/01/02/fastcgi-scgi-and-apache-background-and-future/ |
| 17:29.50 | lukfugl|work | ok, my google-fu is failing me |
| 17:30.01 | lukfugl|work | anyone want to tell me what ^@ is? |
| 17:30.23 | lukfugl|work | e.g. ^M is to CTRL-v-Enter as ^@ is to ...? |
| 17:30.38 | RyanE_ | the first syllable of a comic swear word? ^@#$*@!#@!!! |
| 17:31.18 | lukfugl|work | coworker has a file in which every other character is a ^@, and we can't figure out how to clean it |
| 17:33.12 | sjansen | there's only one reasonable course of action: hexedit the file and then man ascii to translate the value |
| 17:33.45 | sjansen | that, or tell your co-worker the files is supposed to be that way |
| 17:34.43 | sjansen | personally, I would have just pretended I couldn't see them, but it's too late since you've already admitted that his interpretation of reality is valid |
| 17:35.15 | RyanE_ | or find the app that wrote it originally |
| 17:37.01 | hans | ^@ is \0 |
| 17:38.00 | levi | Something is leaking NULLs into your files! |
| 17:38.07 | lukfugl|work | ah |
| 17:39.26 | lukfugl|work | my guess: it's a unicode 2-byte file, which vim is trying to open as if it were an ASCII one-byte file. I'm guessing the ascii char's map to unicode as NULL-char pairs |
| 17:39.44 | lukfugl|work | that's why we can still see the ascii characters, just with the nulls interposed |
| 17:40.16 | graphyx | can't you remove the^@s? |
| 17:40.22 | graphyx | And then put the back in at the end if you do need them? |
| 17:40.27 | hans | put your cursor over one and hit ga |
| 17:41.05 | lukfugl|work | so then, 1) how do I translate unicode to ascii, 2) how do I teill vim to open in unicode then save in ascii, or 3) what's the C-v- sequence for null? |
| 17:41.23 | lukfugl|work | graphyx: can remove them one at a time yes, but this is a 800K file |
| 17:41.34 | lukfugl|work | where 400K of the 800K is ^@ characters :) |
| 17:41.43 | sjansen | :set encoding |
| 17:42.08 | levi | Ahh, must be written in UTF-16 or something? |
| 17:42.20 | levi | How was the file created? |
| 17:42.42 | sjansen | If this file was created on windows, there's a decent chance they are UCS2. |
| 17:42.57 | graphyx | lukfugl|work: do s %s/^@//g, no? |
| 17:43.07 | lukfugl|work | sjansen: encoding=utf-8 |
| 17:43.16 | lukfugl|work | what do I want to set it to instead... utf-16? |
| 17:43.59 | lukfugl|work | graphyx: would work *if* I could input a ^@ (as one character), hence question 3 above |
| 17:43.59 | sjansen | either utf-16 or ucs-2 |
| 17:44.09 | sjansen | IIRC, Windows uses UCS-2, not UTF-16. |
| 17:44.37 | sjansen | Java too, IIRC. |
| 17:45.02 | hans | c-v c-@ should work, no? |
| 17:45.22 | lukfugl|work | :set encoding=utf-16 doesn't fix the buffer (not ucs-2), do I need to set that before loading the file? |
| 17:45.52 | lukfugl|work | hans: d'oh! duh, it does work :) |
| 17:46.24 | lukfugl|work | I'm used to using c-v enter for ^M instead of c-v c-m, so I forgot that c-m == enter |
| 17:46.26 | graphyx | wow.. I knew something for once!! |
| 17:46.31 | lukfugl|work | and thus that c-@ would work |
| 17:47.02 | graphyx | what is the key strokes to do it? I can't get it to work. |
| 17:48.45 | lukfugl|work | graphyx: CTRL-v, then CTRL-@ |
| 17:49.20 | graphyx | I hit CTRIL-v and then CTRL - (shift) 2 and it doesn't place the ^@ in just sits there.. |
| 17:49.48 | sjansen | ctrl-v ctrl-2 |
| 17:49.54 | lukfugl|work | graphyx: in vim, in insert mode? (I'm not sure of the behavior of c-v outside vim) |
| 17:50.03 | graphyx | yes in vim, in insert mode. |
| 17:50.28 | lukfugl|work | sjansen: it works for me, both with and without the shift |
| 17:50.28 | sjansen | ctrl-v ctrl-shift-@ == ^B |
| 17:50.46 | graphyx | ctrl-shift-2 |
| 17:50.50 | lukfugl|work | um, that statement directed at graphyx, rather |
| 17:51.04 | lukfugl|work | ok, then, directed at both :) I get ^@ either way |
| 17:51.05 | graphyx | weird.. |
| 17:51.06 | sjansen | ctrl-v ctrl-2 == ^@ |
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| 17:51.16 | graphyx | doesn't work for me. |
| 17:51.20 | graphyx | I don't care anymore though. |
| 17:52.03 | sjansen | Vim is flawed! My world is crumbling! I'm so depressed I can't work. :-( |
| 17:52.24 | lukfugl|work | I'm kinda scared now that ^@ wasn't the only thing I needed though... since there might be other unicode chars hanging out in there and now I would have a half-ASCII, half-unicode file |
| 17:52.51 | lukfugl|work | so I'd rather do a "true" conversion |
| 17:52.55 | lukfugl|work | any ideas? |
| 17:52.56 | Jayce^ | isn't ascii half unicode anyways... *rimshot* |
| 17:53.06 | lukfugl|work | ha ha, Jayce^ |
| 17:54.11 | sjansen | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144392 |
| 17:54.18 | brac | [Western Digital Caviar SE 320GB 3.5" IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM at Newegg.com] |
| 17:54.40 | sjansen | lukfugl|work: iconv |
| 17:56.40 | sjansen | I seem to remember there's a program even better than iconv, but I can't remember what it's called. |
| 17:59.40 | levi | sjansen: That's a lotta gigabytes! |
| 18:04.17 | lukfugl|work | sjansen: iconv worked fine. And yup, it's a good thing I used it since there were about 10 other unicode chars hiding in there |
| 18:04.40 | sjansen | and pricegrabber seems to think it's a pretty reasonable price |
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| 18:04.52 | sjansen | guess I'm more disconnected from the price of hard drives than I thought |
| 18:07.11 | lukfugl|work | and it was utf-16, not ucs-2 (using each as the -f for iconv produced *almost* identical files, but the ucs-2 had a leading <feff> byte-pair) |
| 18:07.50 | levi | Cool, Stanford lectures available on iTunes. |
| 18:08.25 | sjansen | http://www.theyrecoming.com/killer_rat/ <-- A cake! |
| 18:08.26 | brac | [theyrecoming - Killer Rats cake] |
| 18:09.11 | lukfugl|work | sjansen: eww, that's nasty |
| 18:09.42 | sjansen | The leading feff is a canary to detect endianess issues. Kinda like in the PNG header. |
| 18:10.15 | sjansen | It's a (mostly) Windows thing. Basically rejected on other platforms. |
| 18:10.24 | lukfugl|work | ah. Well, I went without it; that'll be fine, right? |
| 18:10.26 | lukfugl|work | ok |
| 18:15.08 | lukfugl|work | hmmm, at risk of blasphemy against my beloved Ruby, metaprogramming in perl is kinda fun :) |
| 18:19.16 | Goshen | synic: my comcast connection is in its good mood right now, is yours working yet? |
| 18:20.37 | synic | dunno, I think my IP changed. |
| 18:20.58 | synic | wait, nope, just came up |
| 18:23.01 | synic | yeah, it's still spotty, though |
| 18:23.19 | synic | ssh connection is lagging quite a bit |
| 18:27.15 | Goshen | what do you get for signal to noise ratio? |
| 18:38.23 | maquis | if lenth > foo: <-- doesn't work? |
| 18:38.54 | Jayce^ | man, Lent already? |
| 18:41.38 | sjansen | maquis: That looks awfully Python like. Are you dabbling in the black arts again? |
| 18:41.48 | maquis | sjansen: i'm in cs460 |
| 18:41.59 | sjansen | So? |
| 18:42.02 | RyanE_ | maquis: is that still a networking class? |
| 18:45.37 | mrpull- | has anybody ever bought cold fusion server? |
| 18:47.14 | maquis | sjansen: cs460 requires that everything be done in python.... which is why i'm doin it i n python |
| 18:48.15 | lukfugl|work | maquis: feh, is that another one of those "everything must be done in python because that's what the TA knows" classes? |
| 18:48.34 | lukfugl|work | with an optional s/knows/prefers/ |
| 18:48.54 | levi | Learning new languages is good for you. |
| 18:50.03 | lukfugl|work | levi: I don't disagree. In fact, my statement falls on your side since *my* experience with the above is when they wanted us to do all our 470 labs in C/C++ (both of which I knew) since that's what the TA knew. Hans and I bucked the system and did them in ruby anyways |
| 18:50.22 | lukfugl|work | since we didn't need the TA's help and grading was on behavior, not code |
| 18:50.49 | levi | You rebels! ;) |
| 18:51.06 | lukfugl|work | this is when Hans and I were learning ruby (in fact, the projects from that semester account for about 90% of the learning curve I went through with ruby) |
| 18:52.18 | sjansen | mrpull: Run away! |
| 18:52.46 | mrpull- | sjansen: I'm trying to. One person is determined to waste money on the craziest things lately. |
| 18:55.44 | sjansen | My favorite point (at a previous job) was when a recently combined JRun + ColdFusion server started coreing regularily. Took weeks to get Macromedia to admit they couldn't be run on the same server. |
| 18:56.35 | sjansen | Any company that lies about the cause of production down problems is a company that I'm not sending any more checks. |
| 18:56.47 | mrpull- | sjansen: fun. i've never had any good luck with CF. |
| 19:00.26 | mrpull- | sjansen: who did you purchase CF from? |
| 19:01.09 | maquis | lukfugl|work: know... it's because the prof thinks we need to learn python, and it's something that works well for the class... |
| 19:01.21 | maquis | anyway... |
| 19:01.27 | maquis | i'm not sure why it's not working |
| 19:01.31 | goozbach | happy wintereenmas everybody |
| 19:01.47 | goozbach | I'm gonna celebrate by going to Dave & busters |
| 19:02.44 | maquis | bah |
| 19:02.46 | maquis | stupid thing |
| 19:03.07 | lukfugl|work | maquis: in that case |
| 19:03.13 | lukfugl|work | goozbach: happy wintereenmas to you too |
| 19:03.25 | lukfugl|work | goozbach: my friends and I are kicking it off with a LAN party tonight |
| 19:03.57 | mrpull- | wintereenmas? is that some pagan holiday like festivis? |
| 19:04.18 | lukfugl|work | http://www.wintereenmas.com/ |
| 19:04.20 | brac | [Winter-Een-Mas '06] |
| 19:08.16 | mrpull- | heh. it's been a long time since I looked at C+A+D |
| 19:09.06 | sjansen | mrpull-: I didn't actually do the purchasing. Just got involved in the debugging. IIRC, we were working with directly w/ Macromedia support. |
| 19:09.40 | mrpull- | sjansen: rats. i was being to lazy to actually get pricing on it. I just asked my vendor for a quote. |
| 19:09.44 | sjansen | maquis: check for typos |
| 19:14.48 | maquis | sjansen: i found that particular error... i was missing a ) on the previous line... |
| 19:15.20 | maquis | the error message didn't make that in any way clear, and i don't know python well enough that i knew for absolute certain that i wasn't missing anything stupid on that line :) |
| 19:15.39 | mrpull- | maquis: is length a reserved word? |
| 19:15.47 | maquis | mrpull-: nope... |
| 19:15.58 | maquis | at least it doesn't change color, and it doesn't mind me using it as a variable |
| 19:16.48 | mrpull- | might be worth changing the name of the variable if you are desperate (and you are desperate if you take advice from me) |
| 19:16.57 | maquis | haha |
| 19:17.01 | maquis | well... i resolved that problem |
| 19:17.17 | maquis | i just need to figure out what the function is for the next thing i want... :) |
| 19:22.45 | maquis | mmk |
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| 20:18.48 | goozbach | lukfugl|work: curse you |
| 20:19.07 | goozbach | I'll have to spend $10 more a D&B tonight to make up for my jealousy |
| 20:19.36 | hans | ~curse lukfugl|work |
| 20:19.38 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, lukfugl|work ! |
| 20:19.40 | hans | why are we cursing him? |
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| 20:27.51 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 20:27.52 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all |
| 20:29.47 | Tene | fleas |
| 20:46.54 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: just enjoying wintereenmas |
| 20:47.17 | goozbach | anyone here use AIM? |
| 20:48.01 | xbmodder_lappy | I use Oscar. |
| 20:48.13 | xbmodder_lappy | why do you ask? |
| 20:49.48 | goozbach | AIM the service |
| 20:49.56 | goozbach | not AIM the client |
| 20:50.07 | goozbach | I'm just seeing if my settings are correct |
| 20:50.32 | Tene | oscar is the older aim protocol, not a client |
| 20:51.04 | goozbach | ahh |
| 20:51.06 | goozbach | NM |
| 20:52.03 | xbmodder_lappy | oscar is what gaim uses. |
| 20:52.27 | goozbach | ahh |
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| 20:56.22 | xbmodder_lappy | mhatch, ? |
| 20:57.42 | findlay | mxbmodder_lappy: ? |
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| 21:03.47 | findlay | goozbach: what problems are you getting? |
| 21:05.35 | goozbach | findlay: well I didn't think my account was working |
| 21:05.37 | goozbach | but it is |
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| 21:28.43 | harleypig | anyone know how to make kde not quite so fascist with my sound system? |
| 21:28.43 | harleypig | I've already got the timeout set to 1 second. |
| 21:28.43 | sjansen | http://www.gplv4.org/ |
| 21:28.43 | brac | [GPLv4] |
| 21:28.52 | sjansen | harleypig: pkill artsd |
| 21:29.37 | harleypig | sjansen: GPL was originally a joke? |
| 21:29.53 | harleypig | yeah ... that'll solve my problems ... and cause a bunch of others. |
| 21:31.53 | Jayce^ | well, it could, let alsa do it all |
| 21:34.43 | goozbach | harleypig: don't use kde |
| 21:34.44 | sjansen | alsa++ |
| 21:35.27 | maquis | from that point on, every once in a while some random process would spike my cpu to 99% until i killed it |
| 21:35.42 | maquis | until i reformatted... |
| 21:35.47 | maquis | i've never tried amarok again |
| 21:36.28 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:37.16 | harleypig | Ok ... so if I just uninstall artsd I'll still be able to use sound, but what about kde programs that go through kde? |
| 21:37.22 | harleypig | will they still use alsa? |
| 21:42.12 | sjansen | ~reboot maquis |
| 21:42.16 | ibot | ACTION pushes maquis's reset button |
| 21:42.46 | maquis | sjansen: thanks? |
| 21:43.08 | maquis | ~sleep |
| 21:43.10 | ibot | from memory, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
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| 21:51.10 | hans | ~seen jsmith |
| 21:51.12 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@72-254-44-98.client.stsn.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-doc, 20h 7m 17s ago, saying: 'Yeah, but I think he forgot to pay the bill.'. |
| 21:56.41 | bonez39 | is having email with a particular system or group....any more secure when it is only accessible via an HTTPS:// web site, versus downloading to whatever mail reader one chooses? |
| 21:59.15 | sjansen | I suppose you could argue that. But it'd only apply to internal mail because you'd be ignoring the fact that using SMTP is like sending everything on a postcard. |
| 21:59.54 | bonez39 | sjansen, so if I have to log in at a secure site..and check mail there..over https connection that is clearly more secure..right? |
| 22:00.19 | hans | bonez39: I think it is not any more secure (practically speaking) than IMAP or POP over SSL (TLS) |
| 22:00.20 | bonez39 | could I trust email that way......sending credit card information? would you? |
| 22:01.11 | hans | https web sites that send email are no more secure than sending it yourself |
| 22:01.16 | hans | email is email is postcard |
| 22:01.34 | sjansen | credit cards and email should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER be combined |
| 22:01.35 | bonez39 | hans, sjansen I have to figure out some way to ensure data privacy and integrity...for my wife's company..she's in Phoenix today and doing a workshop tomorrow..it would be nice if she could write up the orders and email me the card data so I could run the cards for the sales..and have it get posted...instead of waiting until she returns.... |
| 22:01.38 | hans | if it's just a form that you submit that ends up in their database, that's another story. if they call that email, they're stupid or silly |
| 22:02.06 | bonez39 | hans, here's the issue..I go through a |
| 22:02.08 | hans | bonez39: there's always pgp |
| 22:02.26 | hans | but setting that up over the phone with your wife would probably be an excercise in Not FunTM |
| 22:03.03 | hans | probably the easiest would be to have her save them in a file and scp them to your server |
| 22:03.09 | hans | putty has an scp client |
| 22:03.16 | bonez39 | through a gatekeeper organization....called CHP... they have been sending email back and forth, but due to HIPAA privacy requirements...now they want all 'email' to be at their site... https://mail.alliedhealthsystems.com/ |
| 22:03.36 | bonez39 | we log on there....or will..and then can check our 'email' and post any questions or comments back to them.....there... |
| 22:04.07 | bonez39 | hans, ok, I have WinSCP set up on her laptop..that would work....sure.. |
| 22:04.11 | hans | sounds like it goes straight to a db, or internal email system |
| 22:04.17 | hans | via their https |
| 22:04.24 | bonez39 | and I could set up keys for her.. on her side...so no password is needed to connect... |
| 22:04.33 | hans | sure |
| 22:04.38 | bonez39 | yeah, on their https |
| 22:05.39 | sjansen | no, not on their https |
| 22:05.45 | sjansen | the https is important, but it isn't key |
| 22:05.58 | sjansen | the question is: does the message ever leave their server? |
| 22:07.04 | sjansen | if it never leaves their server, and you're both accessing it over https, and you trust this company than it's probably okay |
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| 22:10.19 | hans | s/server/"system"/ |
| 22:10.46 | levi | Gah, my coworker keeps forgetting to check some of his changes into cvs. |
| 22:11.07 | hans | but yeah. frankly I wouldn't be overconfident that they got it right, but it's a step up from asking you to email CC numbers to them, I suppose. |
| 22:18.50 | RyanE_ | I know many healthcare companies run email like that. You get an email from them, that has an https:// with a long hash in the URL that gets you the actual email. |
| 22:19.06 | RyanE_ | and then you reply via their https:// connection. |
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| 22:47.37 | bonez39 | by the same token.....sjansen...scp would be secure, right? |
| 22:49.41 | sjansen | yup |
| 23:00.44 | RyanE_ | hehe... "Oh, crap. Somebody pushed Bryan's "Rabid java defense" button." Again. |
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| 23:07.30 | levi | RyanE_: Heh, yeah, that was kind of scary. |
| 23:07.57 | QBFreak_ | hmm, I just installed debian and I was wondering how I tell it what smtp server to use for outgoing mail |
| 23:08.28 | Hhhhh | Java? |
| 23:08.31 | QBFreak_ | most of the results I find on google are for full-blown mail servers, I just want to be able to forward user mail |
| 23:11.08 | levi | I am going to resist the urge to respond to Bryan's bashing of dynamic languages. |
| 23:14.57 | sjansen | levi: Why? We haven't had a good flame war for weeks and the ignorant heathens must be educated! |
| 23:15.22 | levi | sjansen: Well, go for it. :) |
| 23:16.02 | sjansen | QBFreak_: Postfix. It may be a full SMTP server, but it has a good security history and is pretty simple to configure. |
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| 23:39.04 | harleypig | I've just upgraded to KDE 3.5.0 on a kubuntu installation using automatix ... my panel has disappeared. I can see it as I log in but I can't seem to find it (it's auto-hidden). |
| 23:39.08 | harleypig | any pointers? |
| 23:39.37 | harleypig | the good news is I can now view video from mozilla and the comand line via mplayer, flash works just fine. |
| 23:40.45 | harleypig | nm ... the hotspot is in the lower left corner. |
| 23:43.36 | QBFreak_ | I don't recall how I did it now, but it seems to me when I was running redhat it was simply a matter of setting an SMTP server name somewhere and creating a ~/.forward to tell it where to send the mail |
| 23:43.36 | levi | Now it's time for school. |
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| 23:44.40 | QBFreak_ | if mheath is still looking for a host, currently I can't recommend dreamhost anymore, they're really pissing me off |
| 23:45.09 | QBFreak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.09 | QBFreak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.09 | QBFreak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.25 | QBFreak_ | they rebooted it 23 minutes ago, where is it? ARG |
| 23:46.27 | QBFreak_ | they also mistakenly disabled something of mine for using too much CPU time, and thne reenabled it when they discovered that it wasn't my stuff |
| 23:54.50 | sjansen | ARGGHHHHHHHHH!!!! Anyone know if there's any way to turn off accesskey support in firefox? |
| 23:56.05 | Kuyaedz | sjansen: try "about:config" in your url bar & search for accesskey. |
| 23:56.23 | Kuyaedz | sjansen: might be what you're looking for |
| 23:56.30 | Tene | http://juicystudio.com/article/access-key-companion.php |
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