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00:47.48goozbach3http://blog.outer-court.com/patriot/
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00:49.09vontrapphow can i find out what kind of memory i have (pc133/ddr) without looking inside?
00:49.45vontrapphow much can more memory help a mythtv box performance?
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01:14.19Tenehttp://www.mensa-test.com/
01:14.21brac[MENSA INTELLIGENCE TEST]
01:15.11TeneInteresting.
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01:31.32maquisTene: cool
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01:40.12vontrapp-lart lukfugl
01:41.58lukfugl~lart vontrapp
01:42.05lukfugl-lart vontrapp
01:42.14lukfugl-lart ibot
01:42.18lukfugl~lart brac
01:42.21lukfuglbot wars
01:43.19lukfuglcurse "Terminal" for not honoring standard terminal keystrokes
01:45.03maquisw00t!
01:48.42goozbach~dict PFY
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02:02.23lukfugldang, I can't seem to get past 14 on that test
02:02.46maquislukfugl: keep going
02:03.20goozbachhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/25/bofh_2005_episode_32/
02:03.21brac[BOFH: Woah there, Crash Gordon | The Register]
02:04.37lukfuglmaquis: Oh, I've passed over it already, I mean I can't get a score higher than 14 :)
02:05.08lukfugl24: 13 lice in a bearded dwarf?
02:05.18lukfuglit doesn't like that answer
02:09.59lukfuglyay, 15, almost a genius
02:13.31emcnabbhttp://churchsigngenerator.com/
02:13.32brac[Church Sign Generator]
02:13.54goozbachhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/11/bofh_2005_episode_30/
02:13.56brac[BOFH: Hi Honey I'm home | The Register]
02:14.23lukfugl16
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02:17.55Tene1,4, 11, 16,24,... Aronson's Sequence, defined by: T is the first, fourth, eleventh, sixteenth, twenty-fourth letter in this sentence.
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02:18.27lukfuglTene: where'd you dig that up?
02:19.04lukfuglyes, 19!
02:27.17sjansen~lart CPAN
02:27.35vontrappadvice for getting a motherboard?
02:28.37hansvontrapp: get a good one
02:28.56vontrappany brands to stay away from?
02:29.07Tenevontrapp: don't get a bad one
02:31.26lukfuglvontrapp: you buying one too?
02:31.34vontrappyeah
02:31.38lukfuglwe need a new motherboard for Stacey's puter
02:31.53hansshare the shipping
02:32.01vontrappwhat's her old one?
02:32.15vontrappor did it die?
02:33.54lukfugldidn't die. We just have an opportunity to get a real nice video card for cheap, but it requires a PCI-E slot
02:34.09lukfugldon't know what her old one is, just that it doesn't have PCI-E
02:34.36vontrapphas it AGP?
02:35.30lukfuglvontrapp: think so, but not sure, and I don't want to open it up right now
02:35.33vontrappintel or amd?
02:35.44vontrapperm, should i get intel or amd
02:38.16sjansenamd
02:38.40sjansenunless you're buying a Mac, the answer is always AMD
02:39.07sjansen~lart CPAN
02:39.11sjansen~crush CPAN
02:39.14ibotACTION crushes CPAN with a full height scsi disk
02:39.31sjansen~funkybomb CPAN
02:39.35ibotACTION blows away CPAN in a psychedelic flash
02:53.08sjansen~poo CPAN
02:53.10ibotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at CPAN
02:54.37vontrappshould i worry about FSB?
02:55.17hanswhat about it?
02:55.34vontrappshould i really care how fast it is
02:55.41emcnabb~poo sjansen
02:55.43ibotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at sjansen
02:55.50emcnabbthat's awesome
02:56.15vontrapphow do i know if a memory stick is ddr?
02:56.28lukfuglvontrapp: if it does a little dance
02:56.36vontrapphaha
02:58.52TeneMmm... chupaqueso
02:59.53lukfuglmmm, I crave a beef quesarrito right now
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03:01.24goozbachcupaqueso is mucho bettero
03:01.47vontrapplukfugl: who you gonna buy from?
03:02.13lukfuglvontrapp: no idea yet, we haven't even decided on a model yet
03:02.37TeneI've got turkey pepperoni, jalapeƱo, and pistachios in my chupaqueso
03:02.42vontrappwell i want one pronto, so if we want to ship together
03:02.44Tenewith Swedish sweet bread for also
03:02.55vontrappthen soon...
03:03.18vontrappdoes anyone here getting rid of a motherboard?
03:03.41TeneI've got a bunch of really old ones...
03:04.19vontrappi need something that will handle ~2GHz processor
03:04.49vontrappi, too, have a supply of "old ones"
03:05.18lukfuglanyone know what string I should set for Terminal to use when I hit end so that it acts like end?
03:05.37lukfuglOSX's Terminal, that is
03:05.55vontrapp"do something useful and end-like, perhaps you should go to the end"
03:08.38vontrappdo motherboards with built in nvidia work well under linux?
03:08.44lukfuglvontrapp: nope, no such option. The options for the end key are "scroll to next page in buffer", "scroll to end of buffer", "scroll to start of buffer", "scroll to previous page in buffer" and "send string to shell:" (at which point it lets you specify the string)
03:09.02lukfuglnot very helpful to leave of "go to *end of line*", IMO
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03:09.46vontrapplukfugl: that was the string to send to the terminal
03:10.00vontrappyou didn't specify that the terminal should recognize it
03:10.08vontrapps/terminal/shell
03:10.37Tenevontrapp: for what definition of "should" is that string the answer?
03:11.10vontrappthe should part is just a suggestion as to what might be useful and endlike
03:11.23Tenehow is that string useful?
03:11.25tensai~squish Tene
03:11.26ibotACTION squishes Tene like a bug
03:11.51vontrappit's not
03:12.14lukfuglok, someone just give me the C-* code for end, please? :)
03:13.33vontrappwhat's the sli in nvidia sli
03:13.53Tenevontrapp: magic for using two video cards together.
03:13.54vontrapphow do i find the C-* code for end?
03:14.17vontrappscalable link interface?
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03:22.46tensaidan burger, huh?
03:24.37elgi'm innocent
03:31.16goozbach~dict junket
03:34.53vontrapplukfugl: here's one with pcie http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813190002
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03:41.25dataw0lf-can anyone advise of a reasonable place to buy POS boxes locally?
03:41.53HhhhhPCI-E = the r0x0rz
03:42.17Hhhhhgreat bandwidth
03:42.42dataw0lf-sup Hhhhh
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03:42.51Hhhhhhello there
03:47.30vontrapp~convert 190 mm to inches
03:47.55Tene~convert 190 mm to furlongs
03:48.16jsmith~convert 2 miles to rods
03:48.22vontrapp~convert 300 mm to inches
03:52.41vontrappdo the newegg barebones have processors?
03:53.36dataw0lf-not usually
03:53.43Hhhhhprolly not, they're "barevones"
03:53.47Hhhhhbarebones*
03:54.21dataw0lf-well, alot of "barebones" systems will come with cpus
03:54.26lukfuglvontrapp: this is stacey's current mobo
03:54.27lukfuglhttp://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=24
03:54.28dataw0lf-especially mini-itx dealies.
03:54.35dataw0lf-and similar
03:55.04lukfuglwith an AMD Duron 1.3GHz
03:56.18dataw0lf-anyone have a good indepth reference to tftp ?
03:57.48dataw0lf-and an opinion on FAI?
03:57.50jsmithdataw0lf-: No, it's not that complicated -- hence the "t" on the beginning
03:58.02jsmithWhat's your tftp question?
03:58.11vontrapplukfugl: it has ir?
03:58.20lukfuglir?
03:58.29vontrappinfra red
03:58.49dataw0lf-jsmith: Not really a question, just a hankering for something that dissects the process and protocol tftp uses
03:59.22jsmithdataw0lf-: The protocol is "ftp", without a username or password.  Hence, it stands for "trivial FTP"
03:59.32dataw0lf-I've been looking into playing around with developing tools utilizing it, but I don't know what the underbelly looks like
03:59.33lukfuglvontrapp: the link might say, neither I nor stacey know
03:59.35jsmithdataw0lf-: (Well, not exactly, but very close)
03:59.44dataw0lf-jsmith: right, but like how the client recognizes it and all that
03:59.56jsmithdataw0lf-: Client recognizes what?!?
04:00.27vontrapphow does integrated ir work on a motherboard anyway? does it just have some kind of jack you can plug a reciever into? if so, what kind of jack?
04:00.42dataw0lf-jsmith: one sec my wireless is about to die
04:01.06jsmithdataw0lf-: Are you talking about tftp itself, or something like PXE booting?
04:01.24Tenevontrapp: just some pins
04:01.57dataw0lf-jsmith: right, the hardware client and how it integrates with tftp, PXE, BOOTP, that kind of stuff
04:02.04dataw0lf-sorry, should've been more specific.
04:02.33vontrapppins? just random pins sticking out the back?
04:02.34dataw0lf-and I thought tftp WASN'T the same as ftp
04:02.37dataw0lf-as far as protocols go
04:02.47lukfuglanyone know what the control/meta string is that's equivalent to hitting the end key?
04:02.53dataw0lf-simplified but also different slightly in some ways.
04:03.05dataw0lf-see, this is why I need an indepth reference
04:04.35dataw0lf-dang my wireless is dying
04:04.56vontrapplukfugl: try 0F?
04:06.58sprlukfugl, my system dumps a ^[[8~
04:07.30lukfuglhrm, so how would I input that into a program that wants to know what string to send to the shell?
04:08.27sprno clue, zsh's bindkey builtin interprets the string correctly though.
04:08.44vontrapplukfugl: so if i wanted that mobo?
04:09.01lukfuglvontrapp: it sounding like what you need?
04:09.15lukfuglyay!
04:09.24lukfuglmy end key works in OSX Terminal!
04:09.28sprwhat'd you do?
04:10.02lukfuglC-[ (have to do some funny bucky-bits to input that) followed by [8~
04:10.09vontrappit's a smidgeon faster than what i have, and I could order a faster cpu for it, my mobo is the same socket, i need to check the speed of cpu mine can support
04:10.28lukfuglthe worst part is that although the C-[ is there, it doesn't show up, so it *looks* wrong. But it worked
04:10.44lukfuglso why do you need a new board? old one fry?
04:11.49lukfuglnow to try and figure out why the del key is messed up
04:11.50vontrappno, i need faster
04:11.56vontrappmythtv just fails miserably
04:12.06lukfuglI think that's the shells fault though, since del works in irssi, just not at the command line
04:12.13vontrapplukfugl: it's messed because it's mac
04:12.36vontrappthey have to be "different"
04:12.38lukfuglvontrapp: I agree
04:12.56lukfuglI like macs for some things, but *why*, oh why, can't the terminal behave like any other *nix shell?
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04:17.41lukfuglvontrapp: so if mine is the same socket and not much faster CPU, why would you want it?
04:27.49lukfuglcurses, why doesn't google have a "don't process my string at *all*" option, so that you can search for things like '^[[8~' and not get back Super 8 Motels?
04:28.02Tenewould be very nice
04:28.13maquislukfugl: i've always wished they'd let you escape characters and such
04:28.21Tenenodnodnod
04:30.56vontrappwhere do i find the motherboard model number?
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05:09.07xbmodder_lappyhave any of you guys heard about Foothill high school
05:09.11xbmodder_lappyand freak dancing getting banned.
05:15.45dataw0lf-'freak dancing' ?
05:16.21dilviehi
05:16.31dataw0lf-hey dilvie
05:16.38dilviedataw0lf:  still mad at me?  =)
05:16.44dataw0lf-dilvie: I was mad at you?
05:17.13dilviedataw0lf:  weren't you?  wasn't it you who refused to shake my hand at Pilgrimage '05?
05:17.39dataw0lf-dilvie: Hm.  Really?  Could be.
05:18.09dataw0lf-xbmodder_lappy: I'm going to take a wild leap of logic and assume by freak dancing you mean the rubbing up against each other wildly.
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05:18.29dilviedataw0lf-: It's cool.  =)  I don't hold grudges.  What have you been up to?
05:18.41dataw0lf-I'm not very conservative, but you probably shouldn't be doing an obviously sexual dance at a high school.
05:18.43Hhhhhhey, what was that thing about foothill HS
05:18.44xbmodder_lappydataw0lf-, hehe...
05:19.01xbmodder_lappydataw0lf-, half of my friends are going there
05:19.11dataw0lf-I've participated in my fair share of freak dancing, and it isn't very innocent.
05:19.13xbmodder_lappyand their dances are getting owned by teachers...
05:19.17dataw0lf-dilvie: Working dude.
05:19.18xbmodder_lappylol
05:19.19dataw0lf-Alot.
05:19.27dilviehttp://www.knobtweakers.net/netlabel/ktwk001/
05:19.31dilviewhat's UUG?
05:19.46HhhhhBYU Unix Users Group
05:19.47maquisxbmodder_lappy: what do you mean by owned?
05:19.52maquisdilvie: yeah...  what Hhhhh said
05:20.07Hhhhhmaquis is the president
05:20.17HhhhhMs. President to you
05:20.18dataw0lf-dilvie: Nice stuff.
05:20.28xbmodder_lappymaquis, i mean like 50-100 adults there
05:20.31dilviethat url is the Knobtweakers Best of 2005 compilation.. official release is Saturday.  If you find any errors or broken links, let me know.  =)
05:20.36maquisxbmodder_lappy: for how many kids?
05:20.45xbmodder_lappy1500
05:20.51dilvieAnd please come to the release party..  =)  http://www.knobtweakers.net/flyers/Best_of_2005_Party_E-Flyer.png
05:20.55xbmodder_lappyMaybe I can shove my story into there...
05:20.59dataw0lf-50-100 adults? wow.
05:21.14dataw0lf-I don't think adults ever realize that kids are just going to do the exact same crap where they aren't.
05:21.35maquismy high school had about 400 students, perhaps 200 or so went to dances...  and we had about 20 teachers/administrators/chaperones...
05:21.36dataw0lf-you have to give up some control to actually maintain it in the long run.
05:21.48dilviedataw0lf-: You're invited. =)
05:21.52maquisdataw0lf-: i disagree with that thought
05:21.59dilviedataw0lf-: I'll put you on the guest-list if you're interested.
05:22.01dataw0lf-my high school had about 4000 kids and about 50 teachers and cops
05:22.05dataw0lf-dilvie: Sounds good.
05:22.09dilvieactually, that guest-list offer goes to anybody.
05:22.34maquisdataw0lf-: i don't think that decreasing control will help you to maintain it in the long run at all
05:22.35dataw0lf-maquis: *shrug* you have your opinion.  I've witnessed alot of renegade kids, though.  In fact, I was one of the worst.
05:22.41maquisit'll just make it harder, imo
05:23.00dataw0lf-your opinion, I guess.
05:23.03maquisyeah
05:23.05maquiswhateer
05:23.26dataw0lf-dilvie: I'll bring my girl and a couple friends if you don't mind.
05:23.55dilviedataw0lf-: I forgot your real name (I know, I suck), so you'll be datawolf +3 on the list.  =)  
05:24.05dataw0lf-dilvie: hehe, Josh, but yeah, that works.
05:24.14dataw0lf-dilvie: ooh, the 21st.  :\
05:24.18dataw0lf-I'll still make it.
05:24.28dilvieyeah, that's this saturday
05:24.31dataw0lf-But I have artwork to be done for most of the day hehe
05:24.42dataw0lf-so I'll be a little sensitive.
05:24.52dilvieshow starts at 9:00, runs until 2:00.. I don't go on until after midnight.
05:25.16dataw0lf-word, my appt ends around 800 so that'll be fine.
05:25.23dilviecool.  =)
05:25.24dataw0lf-actually make it +5 if you can.
05:25.31dilvieSee you there, then.  =)
05:25.35dilvieYeah, +5 is fine.
05:25.36dataw0lf-yup
05:26.15dataw0lf-Jason Scott isn't going to be there, is he?! :)
05:26.16dataw0lf-j/k
05:26.23dilviedataw0lf-: hahaha, no.
05:26.23dataw0lf-I remember now.
05:26.28dataw0lf-I wasn't mad at you, I don't think.
05:27.14dilviedataw0lf-: it's cool.  I just thought it was funny, 'cause I provided the sound and ran the music compo, and helped work out the voting system, get prizes, coordinate with other orgos, etc...
05:27.57dilviedataw0lf-: so when you said people had nothing better to do than bitch, I wasn't quite sure where that was coming from.  =)
05:28.02dataw0lf-dilvie: I just was supremely pissed at Mr. Scott about a variety of things, so I wasn't thinking clearly.  Sorry about that.
05:28.05xbmodder_lappymaquis, i mean by non-faculty.
05:28.16dilviedataw0lf-: all forgiven, obviously.  =)
05:28.20Hhhhhheh
05:28.30maquisxbmodder_lappy: non-faculty teachers?
05:28.35xbmodder_lappyI wonder how hard it'd be to get Howard Stern to call Pleasanton (me town) an idiot
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05:28.47xbmodder_lappymaquis, 50-100 non-faculty of 'da school
05:29.06dataw0lf-xbmodder_lappy: Stern is a hack, so probably about 50 cents a luke warm cup of coffee.
05:29.11dataw0lf-s/a/and
05:29.16xbmodder_lappyall the village (its a school he "bad kids" go to) teachers come here.
05:29.28xbmodder_lappydataw0lf-, true.
05:29.32xbmodder_lappyDoes anyone listen to him?
05:31.06xbmodder_lappyDo you guys know of some good libraries for playing with images in Java, Python, C, or C++
05:31.17dataw0lf-GD
05:32.22dataw0lf-xbmodder_lappy: I sure don't listen to him.
05:32.22xbmodder_lappyThat I can 1) pixelate a picture 2) get properties of a pacific picture 3) shade a picture 4) find the over information of a picture (colours and stuff)
05:32.22xbmodder_lappydataw0lf-, isn't GD PHP only?
05:32.27dataw0lf-No.
05:32.30dataw0lf-It's a C library.
05:33.43dataw0lf-out of the languages you've listed, I've used it extensively in both C and Python.  I don't know about support for Java.
05:34.28xbmodder_lappyfun...
05:34.36xbmodder_lappyI like python, but its slow...
05:36.48xbmodder_lappyack. not in portage
05:41.46dataw0lf-slow for some things, fine for others *shrug* I haven't had much problems with Python's performance for just about everything I use it for on numerous architectures and machines.
05:42.20xbmodder_lappyYeah, now to write the program...
05:42.27xbmodder_lappyWhy am I very afraid...
05:42.36xbmodder_lappyI am writing a picture mosiac maker
05:43.02dataw0lf-fun.
05:43.25dataw0lf-well, I'm out, I need to get some work done myself.
05:49.36mheathbah, I wanted to talk to dataw0lf-.
05:52.34Hhhhh<PROTECTED>
05:52.45mheathHhhhh: I agree
05:52.57xbmodder_lappyhey all. What is a colour index (GD)? Is it human?
05:53.45Hhhhhhuh
05:53.54Hhhhhno, it is Klingon
05:54.08Hhhhh;)
05:54.25xbmodder_lappy>>> i.colorComponents(i.getPixel((1,1)))
05:54.25xbmodder_lappy(91, 57, 11)
05:54.25xbmodder_lappy>>> i.getPixel((1,1))
05:54.25xbmodder_lappy5978379
05:54.28xbmodder_lappyseems like it...
05:54.30xbmodder_lappy:)
05:56.18Hhhhhhmm, it reminds me of Pantone...
06:01.29mheathAnyone have a HDD they're looking to part with?
06:01.36mheath~20-40GB or greater
06:01.38mheathIDE
06:01.54fozzmooProbably.
06:02.07mheath.....do you, fozzmoo??
06:02.11fozzmooYeah, probably.
06:02.23fozzmooI even have a brand new 80GB coming in from newegg I don't need.
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06:02.52fozzmooLet me look...
06:04.18fozzmooYeah- I've got 3 40-45GB drives...
06:04.31fozzmooand I know at least one of them is functional. :)
06:05.13fozzmooThat's just here at my house...
06:05.25fozzmooWe've probably got a handful down at the office too.
06:05.35fozzmooI know we've got a bunch of SCSI disks there.
06:05.53synicfozzmoo: how'd that contract end up looking?
06:06.43fozzmoosynic: It looks cool, but I haven't heard anything back from the dude.
06:06.51fozzmooI'll have to give him a call tomorrow.
06:15.36mheathfozzmoo: how much would you want for the working one?
06:15.47mheathOr the SCSI ones (I think I have a SCSI controller card...hmm)
06:15.53fozzmooOh, I dunno. $15 or something.
06:16.07mheathfozzmoo: where are you located?
06:16.16fozzmooI live in Riverton. Office is in WVC.
06:16.36mheathHmm. Not near me.
06:16.40fozzmooYat?
06:16.56mheathneh?
06:17.05fozzmooWhere are you at?
06:17.08mheathOgden
06:17.23fozzmooWell, it just so happens one of my programmers lives in Roy.
06:17.28mheathI'll be down in SLC (at Fort Douglas) this weekend
06:17.35fozzmooHe's probably got some drives at his house.
06:17.48xbmodder_lappyWhat ever happened to those two magicians in Las Vegas?
06:17.58fozzmooThey went poof.
06:18.00fozzmoohar har har
06:18.06mheathI'm looking for a HDD for my server
06:18.38mheathI'm starting to put a lot of work into it, getting things set up nicely and reliable for when I enlist. I'd like a server I can leave at home and not worry about
06:19.09mheathUntil I get through basic and tech school, and can think about getting something in a colo.
06:20.02fozzmooMy programmer is coming online.
06:20.09fozzmoohe'll be here in a sec.
06:20.26xbmodder_lappyyour programmer?
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06:20.35xbmodder_lappyyou own a programmer?
06:20.38fozzmooTa dum!
06:20.48fozzmooown is a strong word.
06:20.50mheathxbmodder_lappy: He's not a slave.
06:20.52xbmodder_lappyhey ada1
06:20.59xbmodder_lappymheath, I didn't mean to imply that
06:21.08ada1crap, I finally show my face in here, and I use the wrong screen name
06:21.10ada1oh well.
06:21.19mheathada1: You also have the wrong programming language ;)
06:21.32ada1someone been talking about me?
06:21.35fozzmoomheath: ada1 has some drives.
06:21.48ada1oh, ada, I get it.
06:21.52ada1I'm too young for ada
06:22.01findlayfozzmoo has a peculiar prescence
06:22.18ada1I have a 40 gb Maxtor sitting right here doing nothing.
06:22.19findlays/prescence/prescience
06:22.26mheaths/cheap/cheaper/
06:22.31mheathibot: NO.
06:22.35ibotYES
06:22.41findlay(:
06:22.58mheathSomeone needs to fix ibot's thing to parse /me's.
06:23.45mheathfozzmoo: Out of curiosity, how much do you pay your programmers? And what are they doing?
06:24.05ada1I do whatever he tells me to.
06:24.09fozzmooheh heh.
06:24.13ada1See the slave reference above
06:24.13fozzmooI try to keep it clean.
06:24.24fozzmooWe try to pay them what they're worth.
06:24.44fozzmooWe try to keep them doing fun stuff... but occasionally a client requires that we do some PHP work.
06:25.00fozzmooWe try to get those projects over with as quickly as possible.
06:25.08mheathugh
06:25.11mheathPHP :(
06:25.16fozzmooWe usually try to do everything in Perl.
06:25.22ada1so you need a hard drive, mheath?
06:25.27ada1when do you want it?
06:25.40mheathHow big / How much, ada1?
06:25.49ada1it's a 40 gb Maxtor IDE...
06:25.51fozzmooada1: I have a 40 gb Maxtor sitting right here doing nothing.
06:26.07ada1what are they worth, about $20?
06:26.09ada1if that?
06:26.13fozzmooWill it do SOMETHING when installed in a box?
06:26.18ada1yep.
06:26.22fozzmooLike click loudly?
06:26.26fozzmooThose are the BEST!
06:26.43mheath$20. Eh
06:26.54mheathAlong these lines: Does anyone have a *working* UPS?
06:27.10fozzmooI've got a couple that probably just need new batteries.
06:27.13ada1you could probably talk me down to $10
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06:27.35fozzmooThere was something fishy about that guy.
06:27.39RyanEnow *there's* some tough negotiations.
06:28.04ada1it's tough to negotiate when all you're holding is a Maxtor.
06:28.11RyanEhehe
06:28.46fozzmooI know we have a 40GB Western Digital at the office.
06:28.54fozzmooThat could be in Roy tomorrow evening.
06:28.56mheathfozzmoo: with (linux compatible) interface to the computer? UPS that is
06:29.17fozzmooYeah- I've got a couple TrippLites with serial ports.
06:29.32mheathTomorrow evening isn't good, unless I could entice ada1 to drop it off at my work (and get some food on me in the process)
06:29.39fozzmooheh heh.
06:29.46ada1you are in Ogden?
06:29.59fozzmooFOOD FIGHT!
06:29.59mheathSouth Ogden. Near riverdale.
06:30.11ada1I'm dropping off a server in Ogden tomorrow.
06:30.13fozzmooAhh. ada1's stomping grounds.
06:30.17ada1I can pass through Riverdale.
06:30.21ada1I', in Roy
06:30.24ada1er..
06:30.28ada1I'm in Roy
06:30.34mheathI won't be to work (in Riverdale) until 4....
06:30.42mheathIn school until afternoon
06:30.44fozzmooWhere do you work?
06:30.57ada1I'll still be slaving for Fozz til around 6:00
06:31.16mheathApplebees (because of my age...despite the fact that I have college credit in programming, and work experience as a comp tech)
06:31.20ada1*that's* what we need at the office!"
06:31.53fozzmooOkay. Let's see... shoudl I put that above or below "24/7 Simpsons episodes projected on wall" on the list?
06:31.54ada1If I'm out that way tomorrow afternoon/night, I'll drop it off.
06:32.13mheathHeh. I know more about programming than my instructors, yet I'm stuck in a restraunt job.
06:32.13ada1above that, but below the cat tunnel.
06:32.28fozzmooOoooh. the cat tunnel. Almost forgot about that.
06:32.56fozzmooUh oh.
06:32.59fozzmooI'm sure he'll be back.
06:33.02mheathI think I scared ada1 off.
06:33.04maquiscat tunnel?
06:33.07fozzmooYes.
06:33.19maquiswhat's this for?
06:33.32maquissorry... i was out, and i'm not catching on from the backlog)
06:33.35fozzmooMy dad, who has an office in the same building... brought his cat down from the house because my mom's been having respiratory problems because of the cat...
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06:33.46mheathOh, by the way, if anyones looking for a java or (god forbid) visual basic programmer...let me know
06:33.46maquisok
06:33.57fozzmooSo, the cat currently resides in my dad's office.
06:34.01mheathFamiliar with several other languages (including C on Unix-like platforms) :)
06:34.08maquismheath: i'm sorry if you end up with VB
06:34.15fozzmooBut we'd love to have the cat visit us in our office...
06:34.20maquis:)
06:34.22fozzmoobut we're 2-3 units down from my dad's office.
06:34.23mheathmaquis: If I get a job like that it would only be temporary
06:34.26maquisok... and what were you adding to the list?
06:34.27fozzmooSo Adam suggested a tunnel of sorts.
06:34.28RyanEcats in the office... Now *that* would be misery...  I'm allergic.
06:34.28maquismheath: still
06:34.38mheathKeep in mind, I'll be out of the state in 5 (exactly, from today!) months.
06:34.51maquismheath: i did it for 3 months at a time... and it was evil
06:35.11ada1I did VB for 7 years.
06:35.13fozzmooHere's the cat: http://castro.iodynamics.com/~fozz/charlie.jpg
06:35.27maquisfozzmoo: cut
06:35.28maquise
06:35.30fozzmooheh.
06:35.50fozzmooThis cat is the most complacent cat I've known... you could hold her upside down by her back feet and she'll just purr.
06:36.11fozzmooIt gets kind of annoying after a while. :)
06:36.23mheathJava's my new favorite programming language
06:36.31mheathmost of my current projects are in Java
06:36.43fozzmoomheath: Done any Perl or Python?
06:37.19mheathfozzmoo: Nope. I pick up on programming languages very fast, though
06:37.24findlaymy python can eat your perls
06:37.38mheathBeen looking into learning Python, actually.
06:37.46RyanEick.  Java.  ick.
06:37.46fozzmooI think Java is a hopeless language.
06:37.59fozzmooI mean, it's good for teaching people how to program because it's so dang verbose.
06:38.32mheathHeh. Its a very nice language for some of my current projects.
06:38.42fozzmooBut in the "real world" it accompanied by lots and lots of engineering meetings, whiteboard drawings, and wasted time.
06:38.51RyanEand *tons* of typing
06:38.54fozzmoouh huh.
06:38.59findlaypythons can eat java beans too
06:39.03fozzmoo:)
06:39.04mheathObject oriented and more modular in a...cleaner fasion than most other object oriented languages.
06:39.14findlayor 'to' in deference to CmdrTaco
06:39.20mheathClean, simple, well organized object orietned code.
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06:39.32fozzmooI had a CS instructor that explained Java as "C++ done right."
06:39.38mheathlmao
06:39.41findlaywhatever
06:39.46mheathI should tell you that I used to hate Java
06:39.59mheathI went into my first Java programming class with a very, very closed mind
06:40.01fozzmooAnd, to an extent, that's true. You can't fall back to procedural programming w/ Java.
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06:40.22mheathBut, after a while, it really started to grow on me
06:40.23findlayI find I still prefer fortran
06:40.36fozzmooBut, my gosh, doing a Hello World in JSP is like a weeklong process!
06:40.43mheathI hate JSPs
06:40.56RyanEI prefer Java to a realllllly bad head cold.
06:41.36fozzmoooutta fuel. Brb.
06:41.44findlaymust be bed time
06:42.17ada1so if I show up at Applebee's and ask for mheath, are they going to look at me funny?
06:42.23ada1Or is that what your nametag says?
06:44.01mheath"Mike the Expo". They'll know :)
06:44.41mheath(Expo being to set me apart from the 3 other mikes we have...just ask for "Mike", and you'll probably get a manager. Or a rather tempremental mexican cook)
06:45.18ada1ok, if I'm in the area, I'll stop by
06:45.28mheathJust give it to whoever and tell them to bring it to me. I work in the kitchen, and my job is of the nature that on a busy moment on Friday and Saturday nights, I really can't even step away for a moment.
06:45.55ada1yeah, I used to work in the kitchen of another restaurant on Riverdale Road.  I know what you mean.
06:47.42mheathI'll (maybe) see you tomorrow then.
06:47.55ada1ok.  goodnight.
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06:48.14mheathI need to go shine my shoes for Saturday.....Finishing ironing and cleaning my clothes
06:48.51fozzmoohttp://castro.iodynamics.com/~fozz/angel_buffy.jpg
06:48.53mheathRereading Ender's Game too. What a great book - I'm amazed by how much I can relate to it.
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06:49.08Hhhhh*yawn*
06:49.10fozzmooHey Hhhh*cough*
06:49.21Hhhhhhey
06:50.08findlayHhhhh: going back to the discussion about your nick, I think I've effectively conditioned my brain not to associate a sound-out with your nick (:
06:50.28Hhhhhheh
06:50.39Hhhhhwhatever works my man ;)
06:50.57findlayanybody running 2.6.16_rc1?
06:51.22Hhhhhhmm, no, I got stuck in 2.6.13
06:51.58findlaylooks like they made some changes in the 2.6.16 series
06:52.07Hhhhhactually, right now I am in my Zaurus running 2.4.18
06:53.02HhhhhI might try OpenZaurus ROM, I think that one is 2.6.x
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07:21.38maquishttp://techdirt.com/articles/20060119/2029257_F.shtml  <-- ouch
07:21.40brac[Techdirt:Joe Jobbing An Entire Spam Mailing List]
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07:34.01Hhhhhhahaha
07:34.03Hhhhhawesomer
07:34.10maquis??
07:34.20HhhhhI mean, funny
07:34.24Hhhhhnot good, but funny
07:34.30maquisoh... the spammers?
07:34.31maquisyeah
07:42.36findlayI wonder whether java beans are even healthy for a python
07:42.58findlayto say nothing of rubies and perls
07:43.09findlaythat's it
07:44.13findlayI need to develop a new rapid-prototyping object=oriented scripting/cgi/toolkit get-the-job-done language
07:44.14maquisthis mensa-test website is making me crave kfc
07:44.34findlayI call it ...
07:44.37maquis23 P of C in the H B  <-- i keep thinking 23 pieces of chicken...
07:44.40findlayemerald
07:45.32findlaywhatever.  Those mensa dudes only care about arcane word puzzles and bogus intelligence scores
07:45.53maquisi've got 8 left to figure out
07:46.14findlayif I help, will you share some of your IQ score with me?
07:50.24maquishaha
07:50.53maquis11 P in a F (S) T
07:51.05maquis3 B M (S H T R)
07:51.17maquis23 P of C in the H B
07:51.24maquis64 S on a C B
07:51.28maquis9 P in S A
07:51.34maquis6 B to an O in C
07:51.38maquisand 15 M on a D M C
07:52.05findlaydoes it compile?
07:52.09maquishuh?
07:52.23findlaywhat compiler errors do you get?
07:53.04maquisit's not for compiling
07:53.10findlaynaturally, it's written in the syntax of my new uber-language, emerald
07:53.14maquisyou have to figure out what the capital letters are
07:53.35TimRiker9 Provinces in South Africa
07:53.59findlayTimRiker: you sure?
07:54.12TimRiker3 Blind Mice (See How They Run)
07:54.12maquisTimRiker: wow... how'd you know that?
07:54.28maquisTimRiker: you're good
07:54.59maquisTimRiker: thanks
07:55.03findlaymaquis: how did you come to get yourself stuck on this?
07:55.18maquisfindlay: i want to get all the answers
07:55.51TimRiker23 Prophecies of Christ in the Holy Bible
07:55.59maquisTimRiker: i've tried that already
07:56.08maquisand prophets
07:56.12maquisanyway...
07:56.21findlaythere's got to be more than 23 anyway (:
07:56.37TimRiker23 pairs of chromasomes in the human body
07:56.52maquisTimRiker: you're too good at this!
07:57.15TimRiker11 Players in a Football (Soccer) Team
07:57.32maquisTimRiker: have you done this before?
07:57.39TimRikergoogle baby!
07:57.44maquisthat's cheating!
07:58.07TimRikerwell, you have to dig through all the incorrect answers still. ;-)
07:58.13maquismeh
07:58.22TimRikerk. I
07:58.33TimRikerk, I'll leave you the rest.
07:58.39maquisthe funny part is that i think everyone i've talked to about this tried 23 prophesies of christ in the holy bible
07:58.53findlayso these are standard puzzles then?
07:59.33TimRikereverything is standard someplace on the net.
07:59.38findlayit's almost more fun to make up answers
08:02.33findlaymaquis: I bet they're all interlinked somehow as part of some strange cult thing
08:03.38maquishaha
08:04.10findlayit's a secret combination
08:06.16findlayOK, I've got a conflict of potentials
08:06.39findlayshould I go to the installfest tomorrow or to a service project at the same time?
08:10.54maquisfindlay: the installfest
08:16.20TeneI tried "23 principles of christianity in the holy bible"
08:16.30findlaymaquis: why because I'll dominate?
08:17.02Teneis an installfest not a service project?
08:17.06findlayTene: and
08:17.09findlayAND
08:17.14findlayluck?
08:17.17maquisfindlay: because we need help
08:18.10findlayk, I guess I'll condescend and offer my uberleet skills at the installfest
08:31.08findlay23 permutations of covariance in the Hilbert Space
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14:17.12^Migs^does anyone here know an Aaron Toponce?
14:21.10mheathKind of. Why?
14:21.32mheathNot too familiar with him. I know he's the new preisdent of the OALUG; I've met him, picked up some hardware from him, etc.
14:22.33hansthis is very disturbing
14:24.29^Migs^he sent me an email criticizing my web site
14:24.51^Migs^yet he doesn't have his web site up, so I can't lay the countersmackdown
14:24.58^Migs^er, offer his site constructive criticism, too
14:25.33mheathI think you've oversimplified this a bit. He didn't seem like the type of person who would just randomly e-mail people, criticising their website.
14:26.12^Migs^unfortunately, that's exactly what he did.  Mostly just stuff I'm already aware of.
14:26.20^Migs^I mean, I'm not offended.  I just wanted to meet him.
14:26.33^Migs^I'd like to get involved in the OALUG and stuff myself
14:50.34MecworksMornign
14:50.39MecworksMorning
14:50.43^Migs^howdy
14:50.54graphyxhey guys.
14:51.57Mecworks^Migs^, well, that's one way to increase attendance to the OALUG meetings :)
14:52.25Mecworkshi graphyx
14:55.48hans~welcome graphyx
14:55.51ibotWelcome to the party, graphyx!
14:56.09graphyxhans to what do I deserve such undue attention?
14:56.26hans<graphyx> hey guys.
14:56.45graphyxwell sure, but I say that often and don't get this much attention.
14:56.55graphyxBut that's ok.
14:57.00graphyxHow is NM for you these days?
14:58.10hansnic
14:58.11hanse
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16:57.12Uncle_JesseAnyone here ever tried USDTV?
16:58.00jsmithNo, but I've heard relatively good things about it...
16:59.19BradipoIs ReiserFS the fastest filesystem in general?
17:00.58hansit's the jayciest file system anyway
17:01.27BradipoHaha, I've never been fond of it because is screwed me over a few times.
17:01.46BradipoOnce resierfs got corrupted, not even reiserfsck could fix it.
17:02.11BradipoI've never had serious problems with ext2/ext3.
17:03.00sjansenI don't trust it, but I know very smart people who swear by it.
17:03.37BradipoI don't trust it either...
17:03.44sjansenTo me, ReiserFS is kinda like Debian. If it works for you, great. Debian hates me and if I gave reiser a chance at my data, it'd probably decide the same.
17:03.52BradipoI'm getting double the performance of ext2/3 though.
17:03.57BradipoWhat about XFS?
17:04.17sjansenI've only recently started using XFS. No complaints so far.
17:04.32BradipoWow.
17:04.35BradipoI'm just doing another test...
17:04.46BradipoIt looks like XFS is whooping resierfs in performance.
17:05.47jsmithYes...
17:05.52leviA power failure with XFS can corrupt your data.
17:06.07BradipoReally?
17:06.11jsmithAs far as performance goes, ext2/ext3 and XFS are all better than Reiser in most benchmarks
17:06.16sjansenA power failure with any FS can corrupt your data. Are you saying it's more likely with XFS?
17:06.26jsmithlevi: Isn't that the case with most all filesystems though, unless you've got a battery-backed cache?
17:06.32Bradipolevi: corrupt the data or corrupt the filesystem?
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17:07.37hanssjansen: if you run xfs, you're more likely to have a power outage
17:07.51hansBradipo: I use xfs for my media partition for some time now
17:07.53leviBradipo: Not sure.  I just heard some stuff from a coworker regarding a problem we had with it.
17:07.59hansI've not had inexplicable power loss nor data loss
17:08.26hansI have had explicable power loss (stupid provo power)
17:09.37sjansenhans: No, stupid Utah power. Still have the same problems up here in Davis county.
17:09.50Uncle_Jessejsmith: what have you heard about it?
17:10.32jsmithUncle_Jesse: That it's cheap, and somebody said something about it being the first to carry BYU channels, or something like that
17:10.33RyanEUP&L is still better than Lehi City's power.  They run their own power company, and I used to have *at least* monthly outages.
17:11.05BradipoRyanE: What do they use for their power source?
17:11.09BradipoWindmills?
17:11.13RyanEThey buy wholesale
17:11.16BradipoAhh.
17:11.28Uncle_Jessejsmith: yeah - that's what I'm seeing, like $18 a month for digital tv cheap
17:11.52jsmithUncle_Jesse: Why don't you try it and give us some feedback!
17:12.13Uncle_Jessejsmith: I'm considering it.  They're supposed to call me back here soon.
17:12.17RyanEalso USDTV's receiver can pick up on-air HDTV without the subscripton for unencrypted channels, from what I've heard.
17:12.28jsmithBradipo: http://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszcz has a bunch of filesystem benchmarks
17:12.31Uncle_Jesseyeah - that was the other thing I thought was cool
17:12.44jsmithRyanE: Oh really... that's cool!
17:12.48Bradipojsmith: Thanks, does it include a ``reliability'' column? :-)
17:13.09jsmithBradipo: Probably not.
17:13.38Uncle_JesseI hear they offer high speed internet access too, but I can't tell if it's broadband, or just accelerated dialup
17:14.05Uncle_Jesse$10 a month whatever it is
17:14.42sjansenAnecdotal evidence from Josh Coates is that after switching to ReiserFS 3 he went from weekly hardware failure to monthy hardware failure.
17:15.13sjansenConsidering Coates' expertise is building tera-byte++ disk systems, that counts for soemthing.
17:15.44hansbut does it translate to normal people access patterns
17:15.58sjansenHe attributed it to reiser being nicer to the hardware. Seeking less, etc.
17:16.33hansi.e. is my harddrive which in spite of all my best efforts spends most of its time spinning idly, going to die noticeably later thanks to reiserfs
17:16.41hansor is it just going to reach MTTF and die regardless
17:16.51sjansenI've never experienced data loss. Very few of my friends use reiser. Most of my friends who have lost data were using reiser.
17:17.10hansnow there's good anecdotal evidence!
17:17.15hansthat's what we like to see
17:17.26Bradiposjansen: That is my experience too.
17:17.33BradipoExcept, I have actually lost data on a resierfs system.
17:18.22BradipoAnd in my testing, I did notice that the io operations did go down somewhat.
17:18.30sjansen(Oh, and NTFS, but that doesn't count.)
17:18.32BradipoOr rather, the iowait lowered.
17:19.00lukfugl|workquestion: what controls whether an bash session has color or not?
17:19.56lukfugl|workI know the PuTTy connection to the server is supporting color since this irssi session (reattached via screen, started at home) has color, but if I log directly in there's no color
17:21.00lukfugl|workI assume it's some environment variable?
17:21.12sjansenDefine "log directly in".
17:21.46lukfugl|worksjansen: ssh in and it starts me in a bash shell with no color
17:22.17lukfugl|worktype screen -D -RR to reattach the irssi session, and boom, there's color
17:22.50lukfugl|workC-a d to detach that session, back in bash, no color again
17:23.35sjansenAnd what commands are you expecting to include color?
17:23.53lukfugl|workls (explicitly providing -G, also with CLICOLOR=1)
17:24.02lukfugl|workvim (syntax highlighting)
17:24.09lukfugl|workirssi (if I start another instance)
17:24.16lukfugl|worknone of them do
17:24.39hansTERM
17:24.52lukfugl|workxterm
17:24.59hansin putty? should do color
17:25.10lukfugl|workyeah, that's what's confusing me
17:25.25lukfugl|workI tried exporting TERM='rxvt', didn't help
17:26.02lukfugl|workah
17:26.12lukfugl|workexport TERM='xterm-color' does work, however
17:26.27lukfugl|workwonder why rxvt didn't work
17:27.06hansis the other end osx?
17:27.15lukfugl|workyeah
17:27.18hansoh
17:27.20lukfugl|workgaladriel
17:27.28hanswell that's why. it doens't recognize xterm as a color terminal
17:27.31hanswho knows why
17:27.35hansrxvt should have worked though
17:28.01lukfugl|workyeah, and rxvt was showing color at home
17:32.14hansinteresting. "cell phones cause cancer" is attributed to bad study practices
17:32.30graphyxhans, you got it all wrong.
17:32.46hansnamely, bias from people with brain tumors who know what side of the head it's on
17:32.47graphyxMost of the studies that find stuff that cause cancer come out of California.
17:32.59graphyxand the real problem is that liberals cause cancer.
17:33.21hans<PROTECTED>
17:33.26hanshehe
17:33.32graphyxAnd since california is full of them, every study comes back as having some correlation about causing cancer.
17:33.49hansI think california causes cancer
17:33.53hansI think california is a cancer
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17:34.28sjansengraphyx: You've got it all wrong. While some parts of CA are liberal, others are quite conservative. Let's not forget that they produced Reagan.
17:34.38sjansenNo, the truth is that Californians cause cancer.
17:35.25graphyxsjansen: I am from cali myself.  
17:35.28graphyxso watch out!
17:35.32RyanEYou've all got it backwards.  I think cancer causes Californians.
17:37.52lukfugl|work~lart d-link
17:38.08lukfugl|workthey're router web-interface isn't very text-browser friendly
17:38.27BradipoCan XFS handle a 21GB file?
17:38.35lukfugl|workand since I hadn't turned on remote administration, lynx is all I've got right now
17:39.01lukfugl|worktheir "Apply" form buttons are all javascript actions
17:39.28lukfugl|workdoes links (as opposed to lynx) support javascript?
17:40.48sjansenPatched versions of elinks have some javascript support (I think it's based on Mozilla's embeddable JS library) but the binaries are pretty rare in the wild.
17:40.55hanslukfugl|work: there's always an ssh tunnel
17:41.44hansin linux it'd be ssh galadriel -L8022:192.168.0.1:80
17:41.49lukfugl|workhans: that work with windows as the client?
17:41.52hansor whatever your d-link's IP is
17:42.08hansputty does it yes, but you have to use the gui configuratoring thing
17:43.25lukfugl|workI'll need to setup a double tunnel though, right? here -> galadriel -> router
17:43.49lukfugl|worksince only certain ports get forwarded to galadriel in the first place (which is what I'm trying to change)
17:44.37hansno, ssh tunnels take care of both directions
17:44.41sjansen~lart BYU's email servers
17:44.42hanslike a mini vpn
17:45.01lukfugl|workah, yes, thinking more that makes sense
17:45.18lukfugl|workso the destination IP I setup in putty will be the local subnet IP relative to galadriel?
17:45.33hans-L8022:router:80 says everything I get locally on port 8022, send over the tunnel to what the other end knows as "router" on port 80
17:45.43hansyup
17:46.08hanswell, the local subnet IP of the d-link
17:46.13lukfugl|workyeah
17:46.45lukfugl|workwell, look at that, it worked
17:46.49BradipoVote: XFS or ReiserFS?
17:46.56lukfugl|workfirst things first: turning on remote administration
17:46.57jsmithBradipo: XFS
17:47.10hansxfs. because it's shorter to type
17:47.17hansand because I've never really tried reiser
17:47.25findlayhans: do you ever use CDDB for stuff?
17:47.40hanswhen I rip CDs
17:47.50hanswhatever abcde uses by default
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17:48.27hansmy really cool realtime dsp class starts in 2.5 hours
17:48.52hansto celebrate, I'm trying to rememorize the fourier transform equation
17:50.06findlayI thought you were going to say you were going to memorize the fourier transform for The Art of the Fugue (:
17:50.17RyanEXFS.  Handles big files well.  At least much better than Reiser.
17:51.17findlayI think CDDB is terribly inadequate
17:51.40hansmy iptables is rusty, can you make a rule for a specific protocol that isn't always on the same port? e.g. RTP
17:51.47jsmithhans: Take copious notes, and then you can teach me!
17:52.05hansjsmith: I'll blog it if I figure it out
17:52.07findlaythat's why I want to start my own database, classical music database or CMD
17:52.22jsmithhans: Please do.  I've always wanted to learn DSP stuff
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17:53.30hansjsmith: oh, I meant RTP ToS tagging. :)
17:53.46hansI'll be happy to blabber about my dsp class when prompted too.
17:53.54BradipoRyanE: What about a bunch of small files?
17:54.27findlayBradipo: ext3
17:55.08BradipoI notice that the default inode size on XFS is 256 bytes.
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17:57.31RyanEBradipo: I have read that ReiserFS is good for a lot of small files.  I just know it worked horribly on my MythTV box a few years ago.  Of course, when you put something that's not suited for few, large files where it doesn't belong, you can't expect much.
17:57.32sjansenXFS is optomized for giant files and guarenteed throughput
17:57.39RyanEbut it didn't lose the files, it was just slow.
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17:58.16BradipoHow about thousands of directories?
17:58.26RyanEsomeone needs to de-activate fungus' onjoin.
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18:07.13ibotok, sjansen
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18:08.59tensaiBradipo: reiserfs. it blows xfs away on small files and my only experience with xfs has been bad
18:09.29tensai~dict lerg
18:09.35tensai~lerg
18:09.39ibotsomebody said lerg was the Local Exchange Routing guide -- http://www.trainfo.com/products_services/tra/catalog_details.html#LERG
18:09.41brac[Telcordia Routing Administration - Product Details]
18:14.53sjansen~hug mc
18:14.55ibotACTION hugs mc
18:21.47sjansenhttps://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141096
18:22.53sjansenAnd that is why SUSE should have opened their bug database a long time ago. As it was, I almost didn't report the bug because register was such a PITA. Then I had the fight the engineer to get him to think.
18:24.19sjansenSUSE is improving, but some've them still have their heads where the sun don't shine. Every time I hear SUSE claim to be the r00lz!!! compared to every other distro, I want to slap someone.
18:26.20hansgo ahead and do it, we can't stop you
18:27.09levisjansen: I know someone who will always be handy when you feel like slapping someone...
18:28.17findlayhans: anyway I was wondering what you think about a CDDB for classical music
18:28.31hansusually wholly inadequate.
18:29.15levihans: I think he is proposing a new CDDB for classical music
18:29.33hansoh, go right ahead. if it's cool I might use it
18:30.17findlaybecause for a classical CD I don't want to know who the "artist" and "song" are, I want to know the composer, piece, conductor, ensamble, soloists, choir, choir master, recording date, recording location, balance engineer, etc.
18:30.58hanswhoa there. nobody's gonna type all that in
18:31.25hanscomposer, piece, performer(s)
18:31.37hansmaybe a field for bwv/opus/etc
18:32.02findlaywhat I've seen on CDDB for CDs I've put in are inconsistent on how they deal with this
18:32.48findlayhans: but you agree that with a classical CD there's necessary info than whatever else there is
18:32.57findlaymore, I mean
18:33.43hansyes, more info than cddb takes, which leads to a thousand different conventions
18:33.53findlayexactly
18:34.34leviid3 tags and music player metadata display features don't usually fit very well with classical music, either.
18:36.47findlayhans: you think nobody's as obsessive about their music as I am?  Perhaps there are a few Free Software loving audiophiles out there that if I were to get them together we could put it together in wikipedia fashion
18:37.15hansnot many, no
18:37.34hansi think there's more at my level of obsession, but still not a majority
18:37.52hansbut enough perhaps.
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18:38.37hansthe best approach is probably an extensible tag format, with a base set of tags that all pieces have, a standard extension set that applies to most music, and anything else can be tagged however one sees fit
18:38.45hansspecialized tag sets can pop up
18:42.26levifindlay: I, too, think you're an obsessive freak when it comes to classical music. ;)
18:42.43tensaifindlay: you should look on the internet. I hear there's lots of weirdos on there.
18:43.04findlayinter-net? what's that?
18:44.01tensai~internet
18:44.04ibotwell, internet is A worldwide network of computer networks. It is an interconnection of large and small networks around the globe. The Internet began in 1962 as a computer network for the U.S. military and over time has grown into a global communication tool of many thousands of computer networks that share a common addressing scheme.Unlike online services, which ...
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18:46.45findlayfind is more powerful than I have heretofore supposed
18:52.41emcnabbI always find find to be useful
18:55.04hanshttp://hans.fugal.net/blog
18:55.38hanshttp://hans.fugal.net/blog/voip/rtp-tos-iptables.html to be more specific
18:55.49findlayhow do you find that finding find is useful?
18:58.44hans,.
18:58.59hans'']=[],[=[[[[,,.kjbiu8']0h8
19:00.09findlayI think hans has tee'd his vim keylogger to irc
19:09.38tensaimmm, ham sandwich. vintage yesterday. that was a good day for sandwiches.
19:11.15jsmithMan... just when I was gonna talk to Hans.
19:34.05findlay-philosopwhat?
19:34.09findlay-philosopwhatever
20:16.25BradipoAnyone know if vim can re-indent a shell script?
20:16.31Bradipoi.e. reformat the indenting...
20:19.37tensaiggVG:!indent
20:21.30BradipoDoes indent know how to format a bash script?
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20:23.04Bradipotensai, is that the same as: %!indent
20:23.16sjansenpretty much
20:23.35tensaiBradipo: indent sucks, imho
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20:26.30xbmodderhey
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20:30.17tensaiBradipo: I prefer the ggVG mnemonic because you can highlight just a chunk of a file and filter it, eg. V20j:!sort
20:30.46Uncle_Jessegot more info on USDTV...
20:30.59Uncle_Jesseit doesn't support ReplayTV or Tivo
20:31.05Uncle_Jesseso deal breaker for me
20:34.47findlayif an isp claims that handing out static addresses is a security risk to their network, does that betoken incompetence?
20:35.23tensaiyes
20:41.23tensaiI can think of a few corner cases, but realistically being an ISP involves risk and they just have to accept it.
20:41.54jsmithtensai: Amen!
20:42.19tensaiwe give out static IPs on our DSL to whoever asks for them. how about that?
20:42.40jsmithtensai: I want one!
20:42.56tensaiI was just going to say... has to be a DSL customer, of course
20:43.46jsmithI've got DSL :-)
20:43.54jsmithOh, you mean one of YOUR dsl customers :-)
20:44.02tensaijsmith: look you. I can't qualify my statements all day.
20:44.23jsmithtensai: Just pulling your chain, man...
20:44.32findlaycan I take one of your addresses and glue it to my computer?
20:44.51jsmithtensai: What about IPv6?
20:44.57findlayactually I want in on the left side of the monitor, because that's the only room I have for one
20:45.36tensaijsmith: nobody's asking for them. I've done some preliminary research, but until there's demand I don't see it happening.
20:46.33graphyxtensai: I know a guy who does this PBX thing called Asterisk.  and It just Kicks butt.
20:46.53graphyxI could have him PM you if you want...
20:46.54graphyx;)
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20:56.29jsmithgraphyx: Funny... I know a guy who has been playing around with Asterisk some -- his handle is tensai
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21:05.22findlayhow do you pronounce ISP?  Is it isp or I-S-P or is it aisp?
21:05.34flyboy^I-S-P for me.
21:05.37QBFreakthree distinct letters afaik
21:06.04findlayI think I'll go with isp
21:06.09findlay(:
21:09.07emcnabbI S P
21:09.31findlayisp
21:09.46levieye ess pee
21:12.05emcnabbalmost sounds like: "I is pee" :-)
21:12.16QBFreakyou are?
21:12.41findlayI like isp as in lisp but without the l
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21:36.20sjansenhttp://www.oreillynet.com/etel/blog/2006/01/a_ringtone_that_really_gets_un_1.html
21:36.22brac[A Ringtone That Really Gets Under Your Skin? - O'Reilly Emerging Telephony]
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22:02.22RyanEnever had irssi crash before.  weird.
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22:14.43Jayce^man, yesterday was rough for me:
22:14.44Jayce^[01/19/06 20:30:36] tensai [259/799] has challenged Jayce^ [365/457] in combat and lost! 0 days, 08:27:00 is added to tensai's clock.
22:14.44Jayce^[01/19/06 23:34:49] Jayce^ [23/457] has challenged goozbach [123/679] in combat and lost! 0 days, 06:49:15 is added to Jayce^'s clock.
22:16.44tensaiI kicked your trash the other day
22:16.50tensai<OldleBot> Jayce^ [224/457] has come upon tensai [278/515] and been defeated in combat! 0 days, 00:31:25 is added to Jayce^'s clock.
22:17.21Jayce^bah, must have been a while ago :)
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22:19.08tensaictrlproxy only records the time, so I dunno
22:20.09jsmith~onjoin hans hans: Having internet problems?
22:20.09ibotjsmith: ok
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22:23.12mrpull-wahoo
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22:30.19ibotok, jsmith
22:31.06hansibot: I didn't know you cared
22:31.11ibotYou didn't know you cared?
22:48.11hansnope
22:48.16hansibot, I didn't know I cared.
22:48.20ibotYou didn't know I cared.?
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22:58.39HhhhhI am hungry
22:58.50graphyxibot, I didn't know I cared?
22:58.54ibotYou didn't know I cared?
22:59.18leviI have Debian runing on a 450mhz machine.
22:59.20emcnabbwin2k3
22:59.25Hhhhhis there any free food on campus?
22:59.26emcnabbthe OS of the future
22:59.29Hhhhhheh
22:59.37Hhhhhwin2k3 is ok
22:59.42QBFreakpreferably something that is free and I can easilly install apache and the like on :p
22:59.56leviIt's too slow to run big PHP apps.
22:59.58QBFreakalthough I'm pretty sure I do have legal copies for 2K and 2K3 server for personal use somewhere
23:00.11leviI'm running Drupal, and it's way slow.
23:00.22Hhhhhand i have installed it in a p3 500 with no problem
23:00.25emcnabbeven though I'm a RHEL/FC/CENTOS guy, I'd probably recommend debian
23:00.31emcnabbthat's what I run on my home server
23:00.39Hhhhhalthough it was good for deveopment only
23:00.39emcnabbit's an older machine, and works great
23:00.47QBFreakI was trying to use FC4 cause I had the CDs for that, but after I select kernel options it gives me a nice blank screen and a blinking cursor
23:01.10HhhhhFC4?
23:01.15QBFreakFedora Core 4
23:01.19Hhhhhi know
23:01.38Hhhhhwhat i mean is, i used fc4 for a long time with no trouble
23:01.47QBFreakI really don't need a GUI, I've been managing this thing via SSH for the two years that the keyboard controller has been dead
23:02.31QBFreakmaybe thats the setups problem...
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23:02.48Hhhhhanyways i would not suggest win2k3 for apache
23:02.56QBFreakme neither :)
23:03.06scottfor the life of me I can't find on amazon if an order from their other sellers has been shipped. Even under track packages it just shows a two week spread delivery estimate.
23:03.41QBFreakat my last job we were trying to use it for servining up big disks via SMB, but the servers would fall over and die regularly
23:03.54QBFreakset up one with FC4 and it was happy as could be
23:03.56Hhhhh2k3?
23:03.58QBFreakyeah
23:04.01Hhhhhodd
23:04.08Hhhhhit is very stable
23:04.21QBFreakthey had to be rebooted every week or two
23:05.03Hhhhhyou know LDS general conference is streamed from win2k3
23:05.17QBFreakI expected better from it, its somewhat XP based isn't it?
23:05.34Hhhhh100,000s of people on them at the same time
23:05.53Hhhhhit is similar to xp, yea
23:06.05QBFreakXP Pro has been rock solid for me at home
23:06.16QBFreakonly issues with it were results of failing hardware
23:06.26Hhhhhi have had plenty of problems with xp
23:06.34Hhhhhstill like it though
23:06.44Hhhhhi game a lot in it
23:06.47QBFreakI got a 120 day free trial, got me hooked :)
23:06.54leviGeez, and people call me a heretic. ;)
23:06.59QBFreakcompared to 98SE...
23:07.01Hhhhhhuh
23:07.16Hhhhhthere is nothing wrong with windows
23:07.36Hhhhhit is not a bad product
23:07.42QBFreakI say use what works for you, whether its windows or linux or something else
23:07.53Hhhhhi agree
23:08.08Hhhhhi try to be proficient at both
23:08.19QBFreakon the desktop I prefer windows, but I'd like to avoid running server type things on it :)
23:08.21leviWell, I use Windows too, actually, and I don't find it particularly painful.
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23:08.55leviI prefer OS X for desktop stuff.  I pretty much only use Windows for games.
23:08.58Hhhhhheh, just got off the PDA
23:09.28QBFreakOS X would require new hardware, and I don't have money for computer stuffs right now :)
23:09.34Hhhhhanyways, I've found that limiting oneself to one platform (out of principles, activism or whatever) simply limits your knowledge and learning
23:09.50HhhhhI might be switching entirely to linux though, since vista doesn't sound good
23:09.52sjansenemcnabb: Everybody knows that OS2 is the OS of the future.
23:10.14QBFreakI'd like to get myself moved off of windows when XP ceases to suit my needs :)
23:10.21Hhhhhyea, same here
23:10.40Hhhhhmy comp will handle vista, but I don't like the OpenGL crap show they're pulling with it
23:10.58HhhhhI don't want no DirectX-emulated openGL :p
23:13.38Hhhhhok, I'm off
23:13.40RyanEOS2 is the 'OS of the future' in the past.  Does that make it the OS of the now?
23:13.55Hhhhhbut don't worry, I'll be back in 30 mins
23:13.58Hhhhh;)
23:17.57sjansenThere is something wrong with Windows. It is a proprietary product.
23:19.36mrpull-sjansen:  but several other useful proprietary apps run on it
23:20.32QBFreakI think my biggest problem is a lifetime of habit :)
23:22.38QBFreakheh
23:22.57QBFreakI've got a few of those left, but I do like my windows key :)
23:26.28RyanEback in my day, we had no stinkin' 'Windows Key'.  If we wanted windows, we made them ourselves in curses, straight C, none of that sissy-pants C++.
23:32.10tensaiit's not a windows key, it's meta!
23:33.59jsmithtensai: Yeah... so what's the other non-windows key named?  Right-meta?
23:36.38Uncle_Jessehttp://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/index.html?c=eserver&n=linuxfun_callout_servershome&t=advertise#
23:36.39brac[Linux Fun for IBM eServer]
23:45.40leviRyanE: What's this 'curses' stuff?  Back in my day, we had BASIC and Logo.  If you wanted anything fancy, you had to PEEK and POKE it into existence.
23:47.34jsmithlevi: 'curses' is what came out of my mouth when I POKEd the wrong memory address
23:50.06leviLuckily, I missed the day that required coding in Fortran on punched cards.
23:52.57RyanElevi: I believe curses may predate BASIC.
23:53.11RyanEalthough I could certainly be wrong.
23:54.15leviBASIC was invented in 1964, so I doubt it.
23:54.38leviThough it's entirely possible that curses was around before I used BASIC.
23:54.50RyanE_awaywell, at least my 'back in my day' predates your 'back in my day'.
23:54.52RyanE_awayyou beat me to it.
23:55.23RyanE_awayalthough I'm quite certain curses existed long before Basic, the use of basic certainly will lead to curses.  :)
23:56.24leviWhat makes you think curses existed before BASIC?
23:56.28RyanE_awaybut you are apparently right, the curses package originated in the early 80's, not predating BASIC.
23:56.36leviC didn't even exist in 1964.
23:56.46RyanE_awaylevi: common swear words have always existed (curses).
23:56.47leviSo a C library certainly couldn't exist.
23:56.55RyanE_awaystupid play on words.
23:57.01leviOh, I see. :)
23:57.51leviI would guess that my use of BASIC predates your use of curses, though. :)
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