irclog2html for #utah on 20060118

00:01.32tensaiquittin' time!
00:01.52hansgoogle talk is interoperating? sweet!
00:01.59hansanyone have a talk account I can verify this with?
00:02.18leviI do.
00:02.32hanssend a msg to hans@fugal.net
00:03.25levimsg away...
00:03.31hansI got it, but my reply failed
00:03.35leviHmm.
00:04.21leviWhat was the source?
00:04.30hansfugal.net
00:04.40leviNo, of the message from me.
00:04.41hansadium error 503
00:04.49hanslevipearson@gmail.com
00:05.01leviHmm.  Well, that's correct.
00:07.26leviEETimes is such an obnoxious trade rag.  Dunno why they couldn't make it 8.5x11 instead of whatever huge size it is.
00:14.26leviTime to get to school.
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00:25.44dilviehi
00:38.36vontrappmythtvers here?
00:38.56vontrapphow does one go about getting mythfilldatabase to authenticate to zap2it?
00:42.11TimRikeribot: goozbach =~ s/retarded/retarted/
00:42.11ibotOK, TimRiker
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01:09.56hansok, a/v gurus, can I use a regular RCA audio cable for composite video?
01:10.17vontrappjust plug it in, i do it all the time
01:30.06maquishttp://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=10874314&src=rss/oddlyEnoughNews
01:30.08brac[Oddly Enough News Article | Reuters.com]
01:30.32TimRikeryes, a high quality one is recommended. cheap ones or long ones degrade the image quality.
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01:31.20maquis-lart emcnabb
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01:57.27TeneSo now just imagine a borg barbecue party
02:01.38maquisgmm
02:01.40maquisgaim just died
02:03.30Teneyay!
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02:48.02ScytheBlade1<PROTECTED>
02:48.05ScytheBlade1irssi ftw :P
02:48.33ScytheBlade1Err, sorry, wrong window
02:57.39goozbachbuhahaha
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03:04.18Hhhhhloves his new toy: Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 PDA running kernel 2.4.18
03:04.30Hhhhheh, I mean
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03:05.21maquisHhhhh: took a couple seconds for me to figure out what you changed between those versions
03:05.37Hhhhhhehe
03:05.41Hhhhhforgot the /me
03:06.24fozzmooheh.
03:07.24Hhhhhthe only thing I still need to try is the Wi-Fi card (waiting for neighbor to come back home to add MAC address to router)
03:07.48fozzmooheh heh.
03:08.16maquisHhhhh: you could always spoof it
03:12.23fozzmoomaquis: I love it when you talk dirty.
03:12.43fozzmoo;-)
03:12.59Tenefozzmoo: yes
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03:31.10maquisfozzmoo: what'd i do?
03:49.27fozzmoo" maquis: Hhhhh: you could always spoof it"
03:51.18maquisfozzmoo: and that's talking dirty? :)
03:53.16TeneYou obviously don't know fozz.
03:53.29maquishe must talk mighty clean if that's dirty
03:53.39Tene*blinkblink*
03:53.51TeneThat's an interesting way to think about it.
03:54.20maquisunless he's referring to something that i don't even understand
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04:13.59fozzmooMAC spoofing could be interpretted by some people as being immoral and unethical.
04:14.24fozzmooAnyhow, it was a joke that lost its punch hours ago.
04:14.24maquistrue...  but i still wouldn't refer to it as "talking dirty" :-P
04:14.45maquisnor do i see what's so entertaining about it :)
04:14.51fozzmooBecause it's you.
04:15.05fozzmooTelling someone to just spoof a MAC.
04:15.07maquishaha
04:15.24maquis'twas a joke...
04:15.42maquisnot to mention the fact htat there was an assumption that he had permission to use the network....
04:15.43fozzmooIt would be like... my neice (who is 15) saying, "Just smoke a joint and relax."
04:16.09fozzmooObviously, I suck.
04:16.54maquishaha
04:17.16fozzmooI guess it comes back to something a little bit exciting when an otherwise "good" girl endorses naughty stuff. :)
04:17.23maquisah
04:17.49fozzmooIn that case, the example of my neice is completely and utterly useless.
04:17.51fozzmooShe's a tramp.
04:17.54fozzmoo;-)
04:18.24maquishaha
04:18.27fozzmooAnd I probably shouldn't be using my blood relations in examples of what's exciting.
04:18.34fozzmooSee what I mean? I SUCK!
04:18.52fozzmooI should just get back to my code.
04:19.05maquisyou funny
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05:39.15maquis"aqueous" has too many vowels
05:39.43maquisi suppose it'd make a good scrabble word for those rare times when you have mostly vowels...  (and it would use a q)
05:39.55maquisalthough, my experience is, if you have a q, you generally don't have a u
05:57.23Teneuse a 'u' already on the board, silly!
05:59.11maquisTene: i wish it was that easy :)
05:59.26Teneheh
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06:05.51SpecialZ~lart maquis
06:06.07SpecialZ~laugh maquis
06:06.08ibotibot laughs hysterically at maquis...ow!  laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp....  .....  ...
06:06.19maquis-kill ibot
06:06.47maquisor...
06:06.52maquisok..
06:06.55maquisthat's a bit better
06:06.59maquis~lart SpecialZ
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06:17.51Hhhhhman...the Z does everything I want it to
06:18.08Hhhhhonly two things I have not tried and that I want: scriptures and wi-fi
06:18.15Hhhhhg'night all
06:33.03QBFreakooo how evil
06:33.35Tenelike a moose
06:33.45maquis:'(
06:33.48QBFreakchocolate moose?
06:33.54Tenebut it'll be all alone if you don't go get it.
06:34.03Teneyou don't want to neglect your homework...
06:34.16maquis~lart Tene
06:34.29TeneThe wrath of homework scorned is a terrible thing.
06:34.38TeneAs terrible as a chocolate moose is wonderful.
06:34.50Tene~lart maquis
06:35.23TeneMmm... chemistry!
06:35.30maquisi used to know how to do these things when i was in high school
06:35.31TeneChocolate is made of chemicals, y'know...
06:35.56QBFreakisn't a chocolate moose bigger? sorta like a giant chocolate easter bunny
06:35.56maquisNewsome: chocolate moose is bigger than chocolate mousse
06:36.18QBFreakexcept you really wouldn't want to hit this one while out driving
06:37.39NewsomeHey Rocky, watch me pull a chocolate mousse out of my hat
06:38.06maquisNewsome: do you have either chocolate moose or chocolate mousse?
06:38.14Newsomenope, sorry
06:38.19maquis:'(
06:38.55QBFreakplastic cable ties, hmm, that wont do
06:40.50maquisbrownies would be good
06:40.51maquismmm
06:42.07Tenegood...
06:44.20QBFreak:(
06:44.24Tene:(
06:44.45maquisa bit low on stock today
06:44.46fozzmoomaquis: I love it when you talk about food.
06:44.54maquisfozzmoo: you're weird
06:44.55maquis:)
06:45.00TeneI *told* you!
06:45.44fozzmooI was gonna add an entry to my blog - haven't done that since 26 Dec - but now I'm going to go eat some food and watch that Lincoln documentary I DVR'd on Sunday.
07:45.45findlayto stare mindlessly at irc
07:51.28QBFreakfindlay: is a staring contest with something that can't blink really a good idea?
07:52.42findlaybut I have an unfair advantage, that is that my brain is in standby mode
07:52.49QBFreakah
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14:21.09graphyxmorning.
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15:49.41tensai~onjoin -sjansen
15:49.41ibottensai: ok
15:55.53graphyxDoes anyone work with Veracity?
15:56.04graphyxAKA iProvo
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16:09.26hans~rmmod tensai
16:09.27ibotACTION gets rid of module tensai, thank god!
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16:11.51emcnabbhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/17/AR2006011701460.html
16:11.53emcnabbwow
16:12.50sjanseno/~ Macho, macho Evan. I want to be a macho Evan. ~/o
16:13.33tensaiweird, but at least it's going to Habitat
16:18.53graphyxThe famous make me sick.
16:19.04graphyxI piddled in a cup and I am going to sell it now.
16:19.29graphyxgranted this is slightly different, but what the heck!!!
16:22.29leviHey, if I could get thousands of bucks for selling stuff associated with me, I'd probably do it too.  At least he donated it to charity!
16:24.18tensaias my brother used to say, "it's ok to take advantage of chumps and suckers". doubly so if you donate to charity.
16:25.31sjansenhttp://www.lobby4linux.com/WordPress/
16:26.55levisjansen: Yay, you said 'bated' and not 'baited'
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16:28.54leviWho's this helios guy?
16:29.17tensainow, if we can just teach him to say "a lot"...
16:30.50sjansenlevi: *shrug* Some punk that managed to get lucky on digg.com is my guess.
16:33.44leviSo, I'm pretty much completely uninterested in what this helios dude is going to announce to his little corner of the web.
16:34.39leviHe comes across like mheath in his unbridled optimism for the potential of his efforts.
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16:39.41sjansenI've decided to take bets on what the announcement will be.
16:40.27findlay$5 on something
16:40.32sjansenI'm guessing he's going to annouce universally working multimedia Cut and Paste and the total elimination of the multiple clipboards problem.
16:43.11sjansenNo, I've changed my mind. He's going to announce that a simple way to redesign Linux sound without recompiling a single program so that I don't have worry what the heck PCM is and how it is different from Master, Aux/1 and Aux/2.
16:45.02sjansenNo, wait, I bet it's a universal printing architecture that doesn't require rewriting or reconfiguring any apps and doesn't suck.
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16:49.00sjansenThat's it! Linus is going to announce that he's appointing Uncle_Jesse the new Linux dictator for life and a little beyond.
16:50.32findlayno way, man.  It's like copyright.  Uncle_Jesse gets life + 70 years
16:52.36RyanEI think it's a distribution collaborated on by mheath.  If it's mheath, it *has* to be good.
16:53.10sjansenI bet he's going to announce Yet Another Interface Mode for Nautilus (because it hasn't been changed enough times yet).
16:53.59harleypighttp://www.harleypigprogramming.com/InviteJesus.html
16:54.04harleypigwork safe
16:54.13sjansenNo, actually, it's probably Yet Another Half-implemented Media Player (because Linux doesn't have enough yet).
16:55.55sjansenAnnouncing Social Linux now with Web 2.0!!!!11!!!! Integrated blogging, tagging, and in-kernel support for RSS!
16:56.07emcnabbI think the announcement is going to be that mheath is now the head HURD developer, and that all Linux distros will be dumping the Linux kernel in favor of HURD this Friday
16:57.18RyanEand that it will be called the GNU OS, not 'Linux', since Linux is ONLY a kernel
16:57.45RyanEbut that the GNU OS is keeping the penguins because they're everyone's favorite feature.
16:58.39Uncle_Jessewow - I like all this attention :-)
16:58.47emcnabbyeah, GNU's just don't seem cuddly
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17:02.28Uncle_Jesseyou know, root beer and pancakes go together pretty well
17:02.33sjansenActually, it's probably a revolutionary marketing campaign. All the the major Linux distros will be uniting to advertise celebrity endorsements from the Spice Girls, the Backstree Boys, and Leonardo DiCaprio (to name a few). Kinda like the Got Milk? campaigns.
17:03.31emcnabbthere main goaling being to have teeny-boppers join the OSS revolution?
17:03.34emcnabbtheir
17:04.02findlaywhy not? every one else is doing it?
17:04.38emcnabbsjansen - no hitting on the little girls
17:05.02sjansenOkaaaaaay then.
17:06.50findlaywhy do CDs always fall data-side down?
17:07.20Jayce^findlay, the 'massive' data in them generates more gravity..
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17:23.23^Migs^Greetings!
17:24.05{-}Greetings ^Migs^
17:29.42emcnabbhey ^Migs^!
17:30.07^Migs^where is everyone located?
17:30.11^Migs^I'm in Harrisville
17:30.19graphyxUtah valley
17:30.48{-}A small planetoid in the Kepler belt.
17:31.01tensai~nickometer ^Migs^
17:31.20{-}~nickometer {-}
17:32.08{-}~lart CPAN
17:33.20^Migs^no, but it's my alma mater
17:33.25emcnabbBountiful
17:33.33tensaiclose enough. I win a prize!
17:33.37^Migs^not really
17:33.44{-}~reward tensai
17:33.55{-}~prize tensai
17:34.02emcnabb~grouphug
17:34.03ibotACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better...
17:34.03{-}~award tensai
17:34.09^Migs^~help
17:34.15emcnabbwhy doesn't ibot swear there any more?
17:34.17{-}~give tensai a slap to the back of the head
17:34.41^Migs^perhaps the question is whether ibot wants YOU to join the grouphug
17:34.41tensai~factinfo grouphug
17:34.41ibotgrouphug -- last modified at Wed Oct 19 02:43:27 2005 by maquis!n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org; it has been requested 5 times, last by emcnabb, 38s ago.
17:35.00tensaiemcnabb: because maquis cleaned it up
17:35.08emcnabbthanks a lot
17:35.19{-}~prize tensai
17:35.33{-}tensai: Sorry, I tried. Looks like ibot isn't in a giving mood.
17:35.41harleypig~nickometer harleypig
17:35.46harleypigcool
17:35.51maquis:)
17:35.52^Migs^~nickometer ibot
17:36.07emcnabb~nickometer {-}
17:36.08maquis-lart ^Migs^
17:36.17^Migs^~lart ^Migs^
17:36.19emcnabb~nickometer emcnabb
17:36.28maquiswhere's brac????????
17:36.30tensaioh, not this again. what have I started?
17:36.41maquis~lart ^Migs^
17:36.47emcnabb~nickometer *$%*((!FA*!U@D!*#!@#
17:36.49harleypigIs there a trinary operator in bash?
17:36.56{-}harleypig: yes
17:37.09emcnabb~nickometer ibot
17:37.16emcnabbback to work
17:37.19{-}harleypig: grep 'foo' file.txt || echo '1' && echo '2'
17:37.26maquisemcnabb: why do you want to do that?
17:38.03{-}Oops, make the && || instead of || &&.
17:38.32^Migs^does anyone here know anything about vbulletin?
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17:39.19^Migs^and I do mean ANYTHING
17:39.21harleypigso ... emerge options && ( $someswitch && revdep-rebuild ) should work?
17:39.24hfugalanyone got jabber working with gtalk? plug and my server don't. I get 503 errors
17:39.35harleypig^Migs^: never heard of it
17:39.41^Migs^www.vbulletin.com
17:39.47maquishfugal: where's brac?
17:39.53^Migs^a client of mine asked me to add a script I wrote to it, but I have no clue how to make new templates
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17:40.15harleypigI know nothing about php
17:40.26synichfugal: what jabberd version are you using?
17:40.28graphyx~nickometer graphyx
17:40.30harleypig(aside from flamewar starting comments)
17:40.31synicer.. hans
17:41.09{-}Google is trying to prevent spam by performing a call back. I'd start by finding out what that means and whether the plug server supports it.
17:41.31harleypig~nickometer lame
17:41.33maquishans: i can't seem to figure out how to add buddies to googletalk
17:41.34synicjabberd2 has a  known bug which prevents it from working... but there's a workaround
17:41.46hans1.4.3
17:42.00harleypig~hickometer %%%
17:42.04harleypigerr
17:42.06harleypig~nickometer %%%
17:42.13synichans: may need to enable dialback as sjansen suggested
17:42.19harleypig~nickometer !@#$%^&*()
17:42.24maquishans: are you logged in to the plug jabber?
17:42.32hansgoogle's dev page mentions this ejabberd thing, is it better than jabberd?
17:42.37hansmaquis: I are
17:42.38harleypig~nickometer POOPYHEAD
17:42.44maquishans: that's weird..
17:42.56graphyxIt's almost like nickometer is an inverse password checker.  The lower the score the worse a password it would make.
17:43.01maquishans: i can't seem to add you...  i added you, but it doesn't show you as being online
17:43.05hanscan you talk to gtalk from your plug acct?
17:43.09graphyxexcept for that last one.
17:43.12synichans: never used it... but it's supposed to be under heavy development (unlike jabberd anymore), and supports more xmpp features.
17:44.09maquishans: i think so
17:44.09harleypiggraphyx: heh
17:44.34{-}ejabberd is written in erlang, which is supposed to make it more scalable and robust
17:51.01leviSweet.
17:51.06levierlang is a cool language.
17:51.47^Migs^~nickometer the
17:51.49tensainickometer simply counts up how many unpronouncable characters there are. nothing more, nothing less.
17:51.51leviEricsson developed it to write the firmware for some of their high-end ATM switches.
17:51.58^Migs^~nickometer OMGWTF
17:52.05^Migs^~nickometer WTFOMG
17:52.26^Migs^~nickometer ^WTF_{_}_OMG_LOL
17:52.31^Migs^how do you get 100%?
17:52.43tensaiyou can't. please stop trying or take it to pm.
17:52.44^Migs^~nickometer ^WTF_{_}_OMG_LOL_!!!!111111
17:52.46^Migs^okay
17:53.23hansdialback seems to be enabled on my server
17:53.33leviSo, there's one ATM switch they made with erlang that's got some obscene number of 9s in its availability rating.
17:54.31leviWhich is pretty strong testament to the stability of erlang!  Plus, it allows for live, incremental code updating, which helps availability as well.
17:55.10hansI'm just about ready to switch to ejabberd. all I need to convince me is that it's no harder to configure than jabberd
17:55.20hanswhich shouldn't be too hard
17:55.34{-}heh
17:55.38leviWell, I don't know anything about ejabberd in particular, just a bit about erlang.
17:55.54hanswell looking at their website, they're at 1.0.0 which I suppose means they think it's nice
17:56.01hansand they claim full xmpp compliance
17:56.07{-}What are you talking about? jabberd has a very simple config file, that should make it easy. ;-)
17:56.37hans-lart xml
17:56.46leviThere's an interesting blog by a guy who decided he was going to write a poker server.  He kept bouncing between wanting to do it in Common Lisp and Scheme until he found Erlang, which just clicked for him or something and he was able to finish it in amazingly short time.
17:57.00leviI think he also investigated Haskell and some other languages.
17:57.05hansthat proves it, erlang is a tool of the devil
17:57.10hans;-)
17:57.18{-}Frankly, the only reason I haven't already switched to ejabberd is that after I finally got my jabberd stable I was afraid to touch it again.
17:57.33leviNo, it just proves it's good for writing highly-scalable multithreaded network applications! :)
17:57.35hanswell my jabberd isn't doing what I want, so I'm willing to switch
17:59.00emcnabbIs there a way in vim to create a blank line below the line you're currently on? 'o' does basically what I want, but I don't want to be moved to that line and changed into insert mode.
17:59.11hansmap something to o<esc>
17:59.21hansoh, o<esc>k
17:59.49emcnabbthat's what I was figuring I'd have to do; I just wanted to make sure there wasn't a built in one I was missin
17:59.50emcnabbg
17:59.56emcnabbthanks
18:00.12hansnot that I'm aware of
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18:26.08QBFreakpoor fungus
18:29.10fungusI get annihilated every time I come in.
18:34.02hansyou don't like them?
18:34.35hansgetting enough MARK  messages to annoy you is a sure sign of a smoothly running server (or one on which nothing cares to output logs)
18:35.29dilviehello.  =)
18:35.43dilviewho was at the geek dinner last night?
18:36.28dilvieit was good times
18:36.31dilvieas usual.
18:36.53dilviethe talks were a little basic, but I suppose they might have been new territory for some people
18:36.56maquishans: there's just a ton of them
18:37.00dilviebut the networking was good, as usual.
18:38.10maquishans: i'm just used to only seeing the things that are actually important, rather than a page of "MARK" messages
18:38.20hansMARK IS important
18:38.42hansIt tells you syslog is alive, and the fact that you haven't gotten any logs in the last 10 hours is not syslog's fault.
18:39.01hansit tells you posthumously that your machine was alive at time X
18:39.11hanswhen you're trying to figure out when it crashed in the middle of the night
18:39.53maquishans:i suppose that could be useful in that case
18:40.21sjansenI was there with goozbach. I had the beard. He had the goatee.
18:40.40leviI wanted to go, but I had class. :/
18:41.00goozbachI was where?
18:41.01hanssjansen looks like a tall dwarf.
18:41.07hansgoozbach looks like goozbach
18:41.07goozbachwhen did I do what?
18:41.21goozbachhans: were you there?
18:41.29hansat the geek dinner?
18:41.33hansno, I had baked potatoes
18:42.25maquisare they having another one in provo area?
18:44.18^Migs^there's geek dinners?
18:46.11goozbachFeb 22
18:46.56goozbachnot in provo
18:47.04goozbachSandy
18:47.36sjansenhttp://devutah.com/
18:48.06sjansenmaquis: Sounds like from now on they'll be at SLCC in Sandy.
18:48.12maquis:(
18:49.20sjansenmaquis: It's still closer to you than me.
18:50.07leviSweet, that's only a minute or so from my condo.
18:50.21leviSo, if it's ever held on a night I don't have classes....
18:55.16jsmiths/ignore/ignoring/
18:55.38jsmithShoot, another bug in the SedBot functionality... :-(
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18:56.33^Migs^does anyone in here ever do freelance work?
18:56.53jsmith^Migs^: I think you'll find that lots of people in here do.
18:58.18^Migs^well, I don't doubt it
18:58.34^Migs^I do it, too, but how do you guys often find clients?
19:01.54tensaiI only find clients when they stumble upon me, but then I don't count on consulting for any significant income
19:02.36^Migs^do you ever advertise or anything?
19:02.49^Migs^I started by using rentacoder and found some permanents that way
19:16.34hansjsmith: actually it was you who was ignoring my replies (with the help of freenode)
19:16.43hanssorry I'm not logged in from the usual locale and hadn't registered
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19:23.10graphyxWell that sucked.  My system just lost power and rebooted.
19:23.13graphyxno one elses did
19:23.21graphyxand my system is on a UPS.
19:23.45graphyxSo it's like the UPS had a temporary failure when there was no power problems.
19:24.35tensaisounds like a winner of a UPS. maybe it's time to reward somebody else with it.
19:24.51graphyxwhite elephant gift..
19:25.18graphyxnever look a white elephant in the mouth.
19:26.28^Migs^my hard drive isn't powering up
19:26.33^Migs^external USB hard drive
19:26.35^Migs^wtf?
19:26.50^Migs^it better not be ruined
19:26.53hanstest the wall socket with your tongue
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19:28.05hansejabberd was easy to config, but debian only has 0.9.8 which doesn't have the required features for gtalk interop
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19:28.20hansit was dog easy to use ldap for authentication, too
19:28.35hansalthough for username mismatch reasons I won't do that for now
19:28.41graphyx~wth
19:28.42ibotWhat The Hell is wth?
19:31.42goozbachdog easy?
19:32.01hansor cat easy if you prefer
19:32.45goozbach$animal easy
19:32.46goozbach?
19:33.09hansare you calling my slang into question?
19:33.49goozbachno, I'm just questioning your slang
19:34.03hans~sic goozbach
19:34.20hansdog easy, you know, easy enough for a dog
19:34.33goozbachoh ok
19:34.43goozbachthat make sense
19:35.35^Migs^how the crap do you add a template to vbulletin?
19:38.34sjansenapt-get uninstall php
19:38.37sjansenyum remove php
19:38.47sjansenrpm -e $(rpm -qa | grep php)
19:38.53sjansenemerge unmerge php
19:39.06sjansen^Migs^: I'd start there abouts.
19:42.26goozbachfind / -iname \*php* -exec rm -rf {} \;
19:42.54graphyxYou guys are terrible.
19:43.15graphyxJust don't forget the perl scripts that search for apache conf files and strips out the php lines from those.
19:43.17sjansenNo, PHP is terrible.
19:44.04^Migs^hey, that did something to my PHP
19:44.13^Migs^just kidding.  PHP rocks, and you obviously don't know what you're missing, sjansen
19:44.42sjansenOh, no, I do know what I escaped from quite well.
19:44.50sjansen~flame tensai
19:44.51ibottensai sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11
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19:45.36tensai~prod hans
19:45.38ibotACTION zaps hans with a high voltage cattle prod
19:45.54hans~cook tensai
19:45.56ibotACTION throws tensai in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks tensai on 350 for an hour
19:46.10hansperfect lunch
19:46.46graphyxsjansen you should create a web site devoted to uninstalling php.
19:46.52graphyxinclude those uninstall scripts.
19:46.58graphyxand then httpd.conf modify scripts
19:47.11graphyxand put all your rants and other php relevant problems.
19:47.35sjansenOr I could just...
19:47.40sjansen~lart graphyx
19:47.58tensaihow about a php exploit that uninstalls php?
19:48.18Jayce^ooh, I like that one
19:48.44graphyxtensai: That's just funny.
19:48.56graphyxrelease it in nasl format.
19:49.03graphyxand add it to the open source nasl group.
19:49.15graphyxso all those servers that get scanned would have php uninstalled.
19:51.11sjansenThere is worse. VB, for example.
19:51.33tensaithat's where I draw the line. I try to be forgiving and understanding, but VB is just so wrong.
19:51.38graphyxWhat about php installed on iis/4.0?
19:51.39goozbachasp
19:52.12sjansenAnything on IIS is just plain wrong.
19:53.20tensaigraphyx: anything dipped in raw sewage tastes a little funny
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20:15.33harleypigI don't wanna put WinCE back on my iPAQ WAAAAAAAHHHH!
20:16.40tensaiugh. my office smells like vomit.
20:18.08^Migs^I installed IIS and can't seem to get session variables working
20:18.11Hhhhhheh
20:18.12Hhhhhthere is open source os for it
20:18.12HhhhhI can't remember the name
20:18.14^Migs^although I was impressed with how smoothly it otherwise went
20:18.20^Migs^*installed IIS and PHP
20:18.39harleypigHhhhh: Yeah, I've got opie (I liked the way it looked in the screen shots better) installed
20:18.53harleypigbut I can't get a PPP or a usb connection going so I can update or sync it.
20:18.58Hhhhhharleypig, I have a Zaurus, I can't help you much
20:19.44harleypigHhhhh: It appears to be relatively simple if I'm connecting to a linux box, but I'm not, I'm trying to connect to an xp box.
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20:21.54Teneharleypig: you should install php.  that would help.
20:22.21harleypigTene: I'm trying to make things *work* not create a singularity
20:22.47harleypig~lart Tene
20:22.55Tenebut... then you could carry PHP wherever you go!
20:23.08^Migs^everyone should use PHP
20:23.21TeneYou could be sitting on a train and think "Hey... I could really go for some PHP right now." and there it would be!
20:23.27harleypigthat's called a vector in medical terminology ... and I don't want to be the cause of unexplained hair falling out and the like.
20:23.47harleypigbesides, that'd get me beat up
20:23.49^Migs^I like going around secretly installing PHP on everybody's computers.  I trust that once they use it, they'll appreciate it.
20:23.55harleypiglittle old ladies whacking me with their bags ...
20:24.16harleypig^Migs^: First one's free?
20:24.28tensai"don't you realize addslashes is an abomonation, you whippersnapper!"
20:25.14harleypigHhhhh: are you connecting to an xp box or a linux box?
20:26.31sjansenaddslashes should be officially classified as an indicator of mental illness
20:26.51^Migs^I only wish Windows had built-in addslashes
20:27.48^Migs^it would solve so many problems
20:28.33harleypigwhat is addslashes ... or do I want to know?
20:29.04Tenehttp://us2.php.net/addslashes
20:29.13Jayce^the only use php gets on most systems is as a backdoor tool
20:29.16goozbachharleypig: run away
20:31.15harleypig?! Isn't that normally called 'escape'ing a string?  php is stoopid
20:31.54tensaiaddslashes isn't as bad as stripslashes
20:32.39harleypigthat's all right ... I don't wanna know ... php generates bogons.
20:32.55harleypigjust looking at that page negated several thousand cluons.
20:32.56fozzmooDontcha know?! PHP RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:33.20harleypigfozzmoo: you did that wrong: PHP RUL4Z!!!111!!!1!!!
20:33.33fozzmooThere's only one thing c00l3r than PHP!!!!!!!!
20:33.41Jayce^fozzmoo, yeah, anything
20:33.42fozzmooMYSQL+PHP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R0X!!!!!!!
20:33.48harleypiga brick of frozen co2?
20:33.49fozzmoohee hee.
20:34.13harleypigibot, php?
20:34.15ibotHTML-embedded scripting language. URL: http://www.php.net/, or gimpy like python, or an incredible pain. don't use php
20:34.22fozzmoo;-)
20:34.27harleypigdamn straight
20:34.29fozzmooWe're so helpful.
20:34.42fozzmooBring us your tired, your poor, but not your stoopid.
20:34.57harleypigyeah I know.  That's why I'm sitting here considering putting wince back on my ipaq
20:35.28^Migs^there's nothing better than PHP.  What else are you going to use?  ASP!?!?  HAAHAHAHA
20:35.42harleypig^Migs^: PHP == ASP
20:35.55hansPHP === ASP
20:35.56Jayce^amen
20:35.57harleypig( PHP == ASP ) > VB
20:37.20harleypighere's the hierarchy: VB < ( PHP == ASP ) < ( Ruby = Python ) < perl
20:37.38fozzmoo;-)
20:37.51harleypig(the equals sign *is* deliberate.
20:37.53harleypig)
20:38.13hansbut backwards
20:38.27fozzmooOh, yeah, you're using that left-handed equals there.
20:40.29goozbach~curse sjansen
20:40.30ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sjansen !
20:41.17harleypig:D
20:41.54sjansenNooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
20:42.10fozzmoo```````````
20:42.11decriptorjayce you around?
20:42.23Jayce^yup
20:42.37fozzmooyayce you adork?
20:42.38^Migs^~curse ibot
20:42.40ibotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ibot !
20:43.12decriptorI have a favor to ask you
20:43.13^Migs^~curse ^Migs^
20:43.14ibotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ^Migs^ !
20:43.20decriptorwhats your email
20:43.37hansjayce@hotmail.com
20:43.41Jayce^hah, no
20:43.47Jayce^@lug-nut.com
20:44.10hansgah. I installed the ejabberd 1.0.0 binary and still no gtalk interop
20:44.37hansmaybe I'll just wait a few days for someone to blog the answer and google to index it
20:45.32hanshmm. copper is the next gold
20:49.01graphyxsjansen: modern pennies have a lot of zinc in them.
20:49.06graphyxI don't know the percentage.
20:50.22Jayce^actually, it's a zinc core, with a light copper plating
20:50.27Jayce^very little copper actually
20:51.10hansshhh, it'll keep him busy
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20:51.54graphyxsjansen: If you come by my place I'll give you 50 pennies for a dollar.
20:52.04graphyxonly in quantities of more than 100 dollars worth though.
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21:03.46tensai~lart people who reboot servers I'm working on
21:04.02findlaykennecott is winding down their Bingham canyon operations
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21:45.04Hhhhhmeh
21:45.17Hhhhhthere is no such thing as "teh t00l" in web programming
21:45.56Robdorsure there is, it's vim... :)
21:46.00hanshmmmmmmmmmm
21:46.26hans503s go away when I've subscribed to presence
21:46.46Hhhhhvim
21:46.50Hhhhhha!
21:47.30levihans: Subscribed to presence?
21:47.36hanslet me  show you
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21:57.25^Migs^I prefer Dreamweaver
21:57.48^Migs^no, FrontPage
21:57.56^Migs^FrontPage == vim
22:03.14fozzmoo^Migs^ == flamebait
22:03.29RyanEyeah, and sjansen, et. al aren't?
22:03.46RyanEyou probably mean *new* flamebait.  :)
22:22.31Hhhhhhmm, flamebait
22:22.44Hhhhhyummy
22:23.38Hhhhhhmm, "Windows smartphone", that phrase sounds like an oxymoron
22:35.31hansRyanE: sjansen and I are inflammatory, ^Migs^ is just being flamebait
22:35.49Jayce^no, troll
22:36.24sjansenI thought I was the troll... Oh, wait, I'm a Gnome.
22:38.02leviAnd I'm a dangerous heretic.
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22:56.14leviMmmm, homemade bread.
22:56.26goozbachand I'm a retarted sasquatch
22:58.05Robdoranybody here go to the uvlug meetings?
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22:59.05Jayce^looks like all those folks are offline atm
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23:07.44leviAre there uvlug meetings anymore?
23:11.23RobdorI think so...
23:12.08leviWhen are they?
23:16.17Hhhhhcome on, I want some flame war!
23:16.49Hhhhhvi/vim and emacs/Xemacs and all their bastard sons (conceived in sin) suck!!!!
23:16.58HhhhhIDEs+++
23:17.08Hhhhhthere you go
23:22.26maquis~flame Hhhhh
23:22.27ibotHhhhh sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11
23:22.41maquisHhhhh: thanks for the cds, btw... they're going like hotcakes
23:29.31Hhhhhhehe, good
23:29.58Hhhhhsome nice packaging and nice label on CDs does make a better first impression
23:30.06Hhhhhand from that point linux does the rest ;)
23:31.03maquisHhhhh: :)
23:33.33Uncle_Jesseare there any other options besides qwest, comcast, and utopia for internet around SLC?
23:34.13emcnabbnetzero
23:34.41maquishttp://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,70017-0.html?tw=wn_tophead_1
23:34.43brac[Wired News: Anonymity on a Disk]
23:36.13tensaiUncle_Jesse: sneakernet
23:36.59Uncle_Jessetensai: thanks - I hear they're pretty fast
23:39.32jsmithUncle_Jesse: There may be wireless in your area... if that appeals to you
23:39.40Hhhhhmaquis, you can always order some more, just give it 2-3 months for them to arrive
23:39.58Hhhhhmaquis, you could order some more now for the Spring installfest
23:41.49maquisHhhhh: yeah... we're going to need to do that...
23:42.11maquiswe just need to have enough for this week... :)
23:42.41tensaiUncle_Jesse: did all of those options fail, or are you simply being exhaustive?
23:44.17Uncle_Jessetensai: just being exhaustive - wanna make sure I've looked at all my options
23:44.32Uncle_Jessealso, what options for tv are there around here?  just comcast, directv and dish?
23:44.48tensaiover-the-air, which is my preference
23:46.07tensaiI bought a $50 antenna and a $15 chimney mount. reception isn't perfect, but it's free
23:46.54Hhhhhbut public TV is crap
23:47.03Hhhhhand it'll go away in a couple of years
23:47.49leviWhy would it go away?
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23:48.01tensaiif public tv is crap, cable is an outhouse. just more of the same.
23:48.22tensaiand my antenna is dtv ready, so I'm set for the forseeable future
23:48.46Uncle_Jessetensai: are you able to pick up hd signals on your antennae?
23:48.51leviYou can already buy a digital HD receiver for ~$100.
23:49.11tensaiUncle_Jesse: in theory. I haven't tried it, as I lack the $100 which levi references
23:49.43SpecialZ~lart maquis
23:49.57SpecialZFish Heads!
23:49.57maquis~lart SpecialZ
23:50.24Uncle_Jessecool - I'm too big a fan of discovery channel though so I don't know if over-the-air will fly with me
23:52.47tensaisure flies with my pocketbook :)
23:53.03leviAll I have at home is rabbit ears.
23:53.33jsmithUncle_Jesse: Short answer: Dish for the TV, DSL for the internet -- what more do you need?
23:54.39tensailevi: we used to. I get remarkably better signal with the external antenna.
23:54.42Uncle_Jessejsmith: is dish cheaper than cable though?
23:54.53levitensai: I don't doubt it.
23:55.43Hhhhhnah, same price
23:55.51Hhhhhbut dish doesn't work under extreme weather
23:55.51tensaiUncle_Jesse: if you want digital cable, which would be comparable to dish, then it is. satellite internet is outrageously expensive though.
23:56.00Hhhhhwhich is the time when you need it the most
23:56.38jsmithtensai: And has high latency, which kills VoIP
23:56.56jsmithUncle_Jesse: I priced it out, and Dish was slightly less, and is out a lot less often than cable.
23:57.36leviMy experience with satellite internet was totally awful.
23:58.12leviTime to go to class. :/

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