| 00:03.26 | dilvie | I'm headlining the Knobtweakers party next Saturday. |
| 00:03.28 | dilvie | http://www.utrave.org/showthread.php?t=25192 |
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| 01:17.31 | Tene | Where's it at? |
| 01:18.26 | Tene | oh, it's on that page |
| 01:18.28 | Tene | >< |
| 02:02.43 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/flyers/Best_of_2005_Party_E-Flyer.png |
| 02:21.29 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 02:41.29 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.33 | findlay | oops |
| 02:41.36 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.52 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.08 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:48.24 | goozbach | reason #4 it's good to be a roadie for a rock&roll band: http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/131/Images/1275 |
| 03:48.57 | goozbach | dancing with the chick pointing at the camera. |
| 03:54.40 | qbfreak | odd, I get an email from my host saying they had hardware trouble on my server 'boyd' but last I checked my server was yoda... |
| 03:56.02 | qbfreak | you know what, I think a few of my subdomains were showing up with a different IP, I guess the server you connect to for SSH isn't always the one that does your serving |
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| 04:04.43 | goozbach | how hard is it to SLOW DOWN during a snowsnorm |
| 04:05.02 | qbfreak | I dunno, around here people slow down so much that trucks get stuck trying to climb hills |
| 04:05.16 | qbfreak | of course, when it snows we all panic like headless chickens so... |
| 04:05.22 | hans | slowing down only makes it look safer |
| 04:05.45 | hans | snow driving is in reality much more than going slower, and in fact going slower can cause more problems than it helps |
| 04:05.58 | qbfreak | you have to be more alert for one |
| 04:06.00 | goozbach | reason #3 http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/131/Images/1274 |
| 04:06.01 | hans | although I agree that in utah, slowing down a little in snow would apply to most |
| 04:06.04 | qbfreak | reducing speed can help |
| 04:06.14 | goozbach | watching the chick in blue dance |
| 04:06.28 | hans | but in santa fe for example, many more problems were caused by idiots driving overcautiously during a little skiff of snow |
| 04:06.41 | qbfreak | I believe it |
| 04:06.46 | goozbach | reason #2 drinking/eating on the band's tab |
| 04:06.57 | goozbach | and the #1 reason it's good to be a roadie of a rock&roll band... |
| 04:07.12 | goozbach | http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/131/Images/1280 -- the random chick who shouted out at the end of the show: "WHO'S the CAMERAMAN?!" |
| 04:07.13 | qbfreak | last time it snowed here, I was in a 55 zone doing 15 behind a car that kept driving off _both_ sides of a nice 3-lane section of road |
| 04:07.32 | qbfreak | 3 lanes in my direction |
| 04:07.44 | qbfreak | I was afraid if I tried to pass I'd get run off the road |
| 04:07.50 | hans | qbfreak: where's that? |
| 04:08.00 | qbfreak | North Carolina, just outside of Charlotte |
| 04:08.12 | hans | qbfreak: that's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. Give me reckless utah drivers anyday over that |
| 04:08.12 | qbfreak | we don't know how to deal with the stuff at all :) |
| 04:08.41 | qbfreak | I was delivering pizza that night, I really needed to get where I was going in a reasonable amount of time |
| 04:08.41 | hans | in santa fe, we'd get snow, but the first storm of every year you'd think these people had grown up in florida and moved in over the summer |
| 04:08.48 | qbfreak | hehe |
| 04:09.58 | qbfreak | it was funny, after one snow melted I saw tracks through the grass that went off the road and out around a sign and back |
| 04:10.42 | qbfreak | apparently they thought that because the sign was facing them it should be on the left? |
| 04:10.45 | qbfreak | silly people |
| 04:12.22 | maquis | qbfreak: maybe they're from australia? |
| 04:13.05 | qbfreak | around here mexico is more likely, but that doesn't explain that |
| 04:15.07 | qbfreak | but that first one I mentioned, it wasn't that hard to tell where the edge of the road was, the snow went from smooth to rough there... |
| 04:15.25 | qbfreak | we just don't know how to deal with snow :) |
| 04:16.36 | qbfreak | although if its in the forecast good luck finding bread or milk at the store |
| 04:17.44 | amcnabb | hans, how do you drive overcautiously? |
| 04:18.13 | qbfreak | so slow that people nearly have accidents trying not to hit you |
| 04:18.26 | amcnabb | ok |
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| 04:42.09 | jsmith | ibot: OnJoin -jsmith |
| 04:42.09 | ibot | jsmith: ok |
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| 06:14.34 | mheath | harleypig: you aren't by chance around, are you? |
| 06:15.00 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 06:15.15 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: ......Thanks, harleypig. |
| 06:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:17.10 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.fincher.org/Misc/Pennies/BigTower.shtml < cool |
| 06:17.11 | brac | [Pictures of Pennies] |
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| 06:27.24 | mheath | I'm really thinking about doing a few years in the Army before I go Navy |
| 06:27.39 | mheath | but I'm really not sure if I could live with having my entire family wondering if today is the day I'm going to die |
| 06:27.54 | mheath | Nor am I'm sure I'd want to live every day wondering if today is the day I'm going to die |
| 06:32.09 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, ack |
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| 13:59.50 | graphyx | -weather |
| 13:59.51 | brac | 25 minutes ago, on Mon Jan 16 13:35:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the North at KPVU. The temperature was -7 degrees Celsius (19 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1023 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 67.4%. The sky was clear. |
| 14:00.02 | graphyx | be warned. oh baby it's cold outside. |
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| 15:08.48 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - the ford service center has wifi |
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| 15:19.27 | xbmodder_ | why does my ISP have a weather page: http://www.hitzradio.com/hitzradio.pls |
| 15:19.30 | xbmodder_ | oops |
| 15:19.34 | xbmodder_ | http://weather.sonic.net/ |
| 15:19.35 | brac | [Santa Rosa, California Weather (Sonic.net, Inc.)] |
| 15:27.19 | Uncle_Jesse | heh - I was going to ask, why is your isp named "hitzradio"? |
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| 15:37.25 | elg | ibot, I told you to forget that |
| 15:37.26 | ibot | You told you to forget that? |
| 15:37.34 | elg | ibot, onjoin #utah -jsmith |
| 15:37.34 | ibot | ok, elg |
| 15:38.10 | jsmith | elg: That's alright... I told the bot to forget it too... |
| 15:38.16 | jsmith | (yesterday) |
| 15:40.25 | xbmodder_lappy | My ISP has a IPv6 network, should I change over? |
| 15:41.23 | elg | you should probably try it anyway, for the learning |
| 15:41.32 | elg | can you do both ipv4 and ipv6? |
| 15:41.43 | xbmodder_lappy | elg, yeah |
| 15:41.51 | xbmodder_lappy | the 6 sided triangle of doom it is called by them |
| 15:43.25 | elg | dilvie: ping |
| 15:43.45 | xbmodder_lappy | * Native IPv6 routing within Sonic's new core gigabit network ring |
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| 15:44.41 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
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| 16:06.37 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm |
| 16:06.51 | xbmodder_lappy | the two women that I've talked to at tech support hate me... |
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| 16:22.27 | emcnabb | good morning #utah! |
| 16:22.50 | maquis | http://www.mikesamazingcakes.com/gallery.html <-- WOW!!!!!! |
| 16:22.52 | brac | [Mike's Amazing Cakes] |
| 16:22.56 | maquis | emcnabb: mornin' |
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| 16:27.22 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 16:27.51 | maquis | http://www.mikesamazingcakes.com/wedding/images/w_05_lg.jpg |
| 16:27.56 | maquis | Hhhhh: hello |
| 16:28.08 | Hhhhh | good morning there |
| 16:28.39 | hans | that's a pretty cool cake |
| 16:28.55 | hans | but the real test would be if they got married in kayaks on the river |
| 16:29.23 | maquis | hans: you should see some of the other ones at the site! |
| 16:30.09 | Hhhhh | hmmm, wedding cake |
| 16:30.18 | Hhhhh | jusr when I felt like breakfast |
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| 16:32.15 | emcnabb | maquis, why are you looking at wedding cakes? do you have something to tell us? |
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| 16:33.02 | Hhhhh | hehe |
| 16:33.09 | maquis | emcnabb: i wish |
| 16:33.17 | maquis | actually, it was link of the day on userfriendly.org |
| 16:33.59 | mrpull- | heh... is userfirendly still funny? it's been 3-4 years since I looked at that. |
| 16:34.31 | maquis | mrpull-: it has its ups and downs |
| 16:35.35 | mrpull- | i used to yank it thru an aggregator, but they don't like that. It wasn't worth making a special trip to their site. |
| 16:37.58 | graphyx | I usually wait and read 3 months worth at a tiem. |
| 16:38.03 | graphyx | Good for a lot of laughs. |
| 16:38.17 | maquis | graphyx: have you read the stuff about AJ and Miranda? |
| 16:38.33 | graphyx | Umm... It is coming time for my 4 month binge. |
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| 16:43.26 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds | UUG Installfest: Sat, Jan 21, CTB Lobby! |
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| 16:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone in here fluent in irssi? (I'd assume at least one of you are( |
| 16:47.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *) |
| 16:51.00 | Hhhhh | sorry, xChat, Gaim and *ehem* mIRC here |
| 16:51.12 | Hhhhh | ;) |
| 16:51.53 | levi | I use Colloquy. :) |
| 16:52.14 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: what's the question? |
| 16:52.42 | graphyx | If you don't ask the question, I doubt anyone will answer it. |
| 16:53.33 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 16:53.55 | Hhhhh | I am both a Linux and a windows user, and proud of it! |
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| 16:57.59 | mrpull- | Hhhhh: I like to think that I get the worst of both worlds :) |
| 16:59.13 | maquis | Hhhhh: that doesn't change the fact that you stole my corner |
| 16:59.24 | maquis | (and i agree with mrpull-) |
| 16:59.59 | dilvie | pong |
| 17:02.51 | maquis | dilvie: ping? |
| 17:03.24 | dilvie | hehe |
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| 17:03.53 | dilvie | elg said, "ping" at me (scroll back -- far) |
| 17:04.11 | dilvie | I was asleep at the time |
| 17:04.12 | mrpull- | ScytheBlade1: so what is the irssi question? |
| 17:04.14 | dilvie | now I'm awake. |
| 17:04.16 | maquis | dilvie: :) |
| 17:04.25 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, sorry |
| 17:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've lost both of my boxes with a GUI, so I'm without my xchat |
| 17:04.41 | maquis | ok |
| 17:04.44 | maquis | so.... |
| 17:04.46 | ScytheBlade1 | and I frequently forget to switch terminals more ofteen ;) |
| 17:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Close a PM window |
| 17:04.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Say, window 5 |
| 17:05.06 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.12 | mrpull- | or /wc |
| 17:05.15 | maquis | (after going to window 5) |
| 17:05.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I figured it'd be that simple |
| 17:05.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Now it's just a matter of remembering that ;) |
| 17:05.42 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i find the longer versions easier to remember... |
| 17:05.49 | maquis | and if all else fails, there's tab complete |
| 17:06.04 | maquis | just put a / and you can tab through all the options |
| 17:06.06 | mrpull- | ScytheBlade1: it took me a while to look that one up... /part works for private messages in other irc clients i've used |
| 17:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | oh hey, that's nice |
| 17:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | mrpull-: yeah, I tried part first, haha |
| 17:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It didn't help much |
| 17:06.43 | maquis | there's a lot of them, so if you can remember the first letter, it helps significantly |
| 17:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, second question: how do I do a perform on connect? (nickserv identify BEFORE autojoin) |
| 17:07.24 | sjansen | http://yeahrightwhatever.blogspot.com/2006/01/must-stop-laughing-must-breathe.html |
| 17:07.26 | brac | [Yeah, Right, Whatever: Must. Stop. Laughing. ... Must. Breathe] |
| 17:08.00 | goozbach | ScytheBlade1: check out http://users.netradius.com/~goozbach/irssi.conf |
| 17:08.50 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
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| 17:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, thanks goozbach |
| 17:10.24 | sjansen | Ha ha! I had a bagel instead of oatmeal this morning. |
| 17:13.30 | graphyx | I think that the maintainer of any console that lacks tab complete should take a serious look at including it in their product. |
| 17:18.24 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet! my company might be sending some of us to YAPC Chicago |
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| 17:19.45 | sjansen | http://gplv3.fsf.org/draft |
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| 17:21.22 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 17:21.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Thank you all :) |
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| 17:22.14 | jsmith | ibot: onjoin -jsmith |
| 17:22.14 | ibot | jsmith: ok |
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| 17:22.31 | jsmith | ~onjoin -jsmith |
| 17:22.31 | ibot | jsmith: ok |
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| 17:22.47 | jsmith | Stupid ibot |
| 17:23.22 | graphyx | ~onjoin jsmith set |
| 17:23.23 | ibot | graphyx: ok |
| 17:23.34 | *** part/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@64.0.192.125) |
| 17:23.35 | graphyx | perhaps a blank out would get rid of it? |
| 17:23.36 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@64.0.192.125) |
| 17:23.42 | graphyx | ~onjoin jsmith |
| 17:23.48 | graphyx | darn. |
| 17:23.50 | jsmith | ~onjoin -jsmith |
| 17:23.50 | ibot | ok, jsmith |
| 17:23.55 | jsmith | ~onjoin jsmith |
| 17:25.20 | hans | that's what I did the other time |
| 17:25.54 | graphyx | ~onjoin jsmith |
| 17:26.00 | graphyx | I think it finally purged it. |
| 17:26.44 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 17:27.01 | jsmith | Let's test it... |
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| 17:27.09 | hans | lolo |
| 17:27.10 | jsmith | Wrong! |
| 17:27.14 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 17:27.16 | graphyx | ok.. |
| 17:27.20 | jsmith | It hates me! |
| 17:27.25 | maquis | ibot: onjoin -jsmith |
| 17:27.25 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 17:27.26 | graphyx | tensai: Whats wrong with your onjoin code? |
| 17:27.32 | sjansen | Looks like GPLv3 draft 1 isn't closing the Web app hols. In fact, it's specifically permitting it. |
| 17:27.37 | hans | ~onjoin jsmith |
| 17:27.52 | hans | web app hol? |
| 17:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *hole, I'd imagine |
| 17:28.09 | sjansen | Web app hole |
| 17:28.30 | sjansen | Internal use != distribution => no need to share modifications |
| 17:28.59 | maquis | sjansen: i can understand *why* they're leaving that in... |
| 17:29.21 | sjansen | I can too, but many people expected it to be closed. |
| 17:29.38 | hans | I don't see it as a hole |
| 17:35.02 | maquis | sjansen: if i were to run wordpress, but i changed it so that it would embed nicely in the rest of my website, that shouldn't make my entire website open-source.... |
| 17:35.16 | maquis | (as in gpl'd, you can copy and use it yourself) |
| 17:36.02 | levi | Web app providers are providing a service, not a shrink-wrapped application. It's a very different model. |
| 17:38.48 | sjansen | Hmmm, looks like GPL 3 draft 1 doesn't allow annoying "register first" to receive the source. At least that's how I read it. |
| 17:41.44 | graphyx | That is nice. You don't have to give a fake identity prior to receiving the source. |
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| 17:42.04 | graphyx | I don't know how many companies out there have my spam account email address. |
| 17:42.31 | graphyx | But I heard about the company that got fined for sending adult content spam to an email on the do not email list for the state of utah. |
| 17:42.58 | graphyx | That makes me want to create accounts for my kids just to have one to put on there and check for adult spam so they can get fined more. |
| 17:44.50 | sjansen | Looks like draft 3 fixes the OpenSSL incompatibility. |
| 17:44.59 | maquis | sjansen: ? |
| 17:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen: ? |
| 17:45.07 | tensai | ~onjoin _default jsmith |
| 17:45.13 | tensai | ~onjoin _default -jsmith |
| 17:45.13 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 17:45.20 | tensai | ~onjoin #utah jsmith |
| 17:45.38 | tensai | jsmith: it was set for all channels, not just #utah. if you don't specify, the current channel is default. |
| 17:46.29 | hans | i didn't set it for all channels |
| 17:46.29 | tensai | that's worded poorly. if you don't specify, the current channel is assumed. |
| 17:46.29 | hans | not knowingly, anyhow |
| 17:46.30 | tensai | hmm. I'll have to check my logs |
| 17:46.38 | hans | i probably did it in a pm, expecting it to pm jsmith instead of tell him here |
| 17:47.09 | sjansen | The OpenSSL license includes an advertisement clause. According to the most strict interpretations, GPL v2 conflicts with it. (Hence the creation of Gnu TLS.) It looks like v3 draft 1 allows (among other things) enforced attribution so long as it doesn't limit a user's right to modify and distribute. |
| 17:48.22 | tensai | hans: yup. no mention in my logs. oh, well if you're in pm then ibot assumes _default since you're not in a channel. |
| 17:48.42 | maquis | sjansen: ah |
| 17:49.10 | maquis | spr: cool |
| 17:49.44 | spr | mythtv svn revision 8610 |
| 17:50.52 | tensai | ~steal spr's mythtv box |
| 17:50.53 | ibot | ACTION grabs spr's mythtv box and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:51.05 | tensai | ibot: no, no! I wanted it! |
| 17:51.31 | maquis | ibot: no, steal $foo is <action> grabs $foo and gives it to $who |
| 17:51.32 | ibot | okay, maquis |
| 17:51.41 | maquis | ~steal spr's mythtv box |
| 17:51.43 | ibot | ACTION grabs spr's mythtv box and gives it to maquis |
| 17:51.53 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 17:51.55 | tensai | ~steal spr's mythtv box |
| 17:51.57 | ibot | ACTION grabs spr's mythtv box and gives it to tensai |
| 17:52.11 | tensai | ~steal maquis' stolen mythtv box |
| 17:52.12 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis' stolen mythtv box and gives it to tensai |
| 17:52.19 | sjansen | No! No! No! That's not the right way. |
| 17:52.28 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.30 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 17:52.33 | maquis | sjansen: meanie |
| 17:52.36 | sjansen | :-P |
| 17:52.37 | maquis | ibot: no, steal $foo is <action> grabs $foo and gives it to $who |
| 17:52.39 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 17:52.51 | sjansen | ~steal <action> steal |
| 17:52.53 | ibot | ACTION grabs <action> steal and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:53.18 | maquis | ~lock steal $foo |
| 17:53.30 | maquis | grr |
| 17:53.31 | tensai | ~steal sjansen's brain |
| 17:53.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs sjansen's brain and gives it to tensai |
| 17:53.34 | maquis | stupid thing won't work |
| 17:53.41 | maquis | tensai: was that worth it? |
| 17:53.48 | maquis | i mean... did you even get anything? |
| 17:53.54 | tensai | ibot: you ruined my joke! |
| 17:54.16 | tensai | I added a factiod but apparently steal (.*?) takes precedence |
| 17:54.32 | tensai | maquis: I think timriker disabled factoid locking |
| 17:54.39 | maquis | tensai: appears so... too bad |
| 17:54.47 | tensai | ~factinfo tensai |
| 17:54.47 | ibot | tensai -- it has been requested 14 times, last by JoshH at Tue Oct 25 20:39:46 2005; it has been locked by tensai. |
| 17:54.56 | tensai | but not before I locked mine :) |
| 17:55.00 | maquis | ~tensai |
| 17:55.02 | ibot | rumour has it, tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 17:55.43 | maquis | ~maquis |
| 17:55.46 | ibot | I don't give that kind of information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 17:55.52 | maquis | ~factinfo maquis |
| 17:55.52 | ibot | maquis -- last modified at Wed Dec 14 03:17:38 2005 by maquis!n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org; it has been requested 2 times, last by maquis, 7s ago. |
| 17:56.14 | maquis | ~sjansen |
| 17:56.17 | ibot | [sjansen] one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 17:56.27 | sjansen | Over all, I'm impressed by how reasonable GPL v3 draft 1 seems. |
| 17:57.18 | harleypig | http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0112-15.htm |
| 17:57.20 | brac | [Their Levees - Our Levees] |
| 17:57.33 | sjansen | My favorite part is that if a country passes laws incompatible with the GPL, it explicity states that no one in the country can use GPL'd software anymore. |
| 17:58.47 | levi | sjansen: And that's reasonable? |
| 17:59.50 | sjansen | Yes. Rather than induce people to break the law, or allow the software creator's license to be supersceded, the license to use is simple withdrawn. |
| 18:01.18 | hans | and that's different from inducing people to break the law how? |
| 18:01.21 | sjansen | The same thing happens if GPL'd software is found to be in violation of the GPL. If you own the patent and distribute the software, you are automatically granting a license to patent for the use of the software. |
| 18:02.05 | sjansen | If the owner of the patent does not distribute or universally license the patent, then no one can use the software. |
| 18:02.45 | sjansen | Makes it clear that the GPL doesn't encourage breaking the law, but outlines very clear consequences if anyone creates a conflict. |
| 18:03.13 | sjansen | Basically, as I read it, GPL v3 is tryin to force the issue. |
| 18:04.06 | hans | which issue? patents? |
| 18:04.41 | sjansen | Patents, DRM, anything that could be used to try and limit the freedoms granted by the GPL. |
| 18:05.17 | hans | the us has already passed laws about drm, does that mean we're out of luck with gpl software from the get-go? |
| 18:06.43 | sjansen | Not as I read it. Yet. |
| 18:07.44 | sjansen | The termination clause only kicks in if there's a direct conflict. I'm not aware of any direct conflict yet. |
| 18:08.07 | hans | I for one really look forward to the day when I can't use GPL software because Hatch decides to pass a conflicting law. |
| 18:08.08 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 18:08.12 | maquis | stupid question: is there a way to pull a specific file out of a tarball without pulling everything out |
| 18:08.15 | maquis | ? |
| 18:08.25 | maquis | i'm not seeing anything in the manpage |
| 18:08.31 | maquis | but i'd kinda like to do it |
| 18:08.40 | sjansen | maquis: Of course. |
| 18:08.49 | hans | well, of course hatch doesn't pass laws... you know what I mean |
| 18:09.00 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a good server OS that's easy to roll out, easy to keep updated, and comes with the basic packages I need (Apache HTTPd, Subversion, MySQL, Postfix, ProFTPd, SSHd, BIND, etc)/ |
| 18:09.15 | sjansen | mheath: Linux. ;-) |
| 18:09.17 | maquis | hans: erm... why you looking forward to that? |
| 18:09.26 | hans | it's called sarcasm |
| 18:09.28 | sjansen | ~dict sarcasm |
| 18:09.36 | mheath | sjansen: Linux is a kernel. I'm looking for an operating system. |
| 18:09.49 | sjansen | mheath: Linus is an operating system. And you are a pedantic fool. |
| 18:09.51 | maquis | hans: ah... it's hard to determine sarcasm over irc... so, i thought perhaps you had some great world-domination plan or something |
| 18:09.52 | hans | GNU/Linux then |
| 18:10.01 | hans | well that too |
| 18:10.04 | mrpull- | mheath: freebsd? |
| 18:10.37 | mheath | sjansen: Let me know when I can take just the Linux kernel and nothing else and do something useful with it. |
| 18:10.44 | sjansen | mrpull-: Which one? FreeBSD FreeBSD or Debian/Gnu/FreeBSD? Must be clear for pedantic Mr. mheath. |
| 18:10.56 | hans | sjansen: think about it, should the US suddenly become GPL incompatible, what is going to happen? |
| 18:11.08 | sjansen | And then, of course, there's Gentoo/FreeBSD. |
| 18:11.10 | hans | some europeans will sneer and say hurrah, but a lot of people are going to relicense |
| 18:11.13 | mheath | mrpull-: How hard is that from a GNU users perspective? I've never tried FreeBSD |
| 18:11.19 | hans | because they want the users |
| 18:11.34 | mheath | I'm looking for something that I can setup quickly and easily without a fuss, then not have to worry about much |
| 18:11.41 | hans | (or they'd like to use their own software. heh) |
| 18:11.58 | maquis | mheath: from a former gentoo-user's perspective, there are definitely a number of things to get used to, but it seems pretty nice overall |
| 18:12.33 | hans | mheath: it sounds like you want Debian, but you already konw about it so I won't recommend it. |
| 18:12.43 | levi | Mmmm, hot chocolate. |
| 18:13.03 | sjansen | mheath: Hypocrit. Why are you willing to accept FreeBSD as an answer when there's clearly a confusion over what system tools are being used? |
| 18:13.33 | hans | ~spell hypocrit |
| 18:13.38 | mheath | sjansen: FreeBSD is the official name for a complete kernel and the software necessary to run your computer (to do something useful with it). It's an operating system. |
| 18:14.03 | mheath | sjansen: There are other variants that strip out some of that software and replace it with something else. Hence the different name. |
| 18:14.46 | mheath | Again. Linux is a kernel. With it, and it alone, it cannot operate your computer. It cannot do anything useful. You cannot boot it - it will stall when it can't find anything to run. |
| 18:14.52 | sjansen | Linux is the official name for a complete operating system. Richard Stallman doesn't have any more power over its name than KDE, Gnome, Apache, OpenSSL, etc. |
| 18:15.30 | sjansen | As long as you're unafraid of looking like a pedantic moron, I'm more than willing to join in by representing the sane side of the argument. |
| 18:15.33 | maquis | *fight* *fight* *fight* |
| 18:15.33 | mheath | sjansen: Linux is only the *official* name for a kernel. |
| 18:16.17 | mrpull- | hehehe.... FreeBSD proper does include the userland tools |
| 18:16.31 | levi | sjansen: I prefer hippocrits to hypocrits. |
| 18:16.32 | sjansen | mheath: And I'm sure you're just as careful to always as for a tissue paper instead of a Kleenex. You'd never use roller blades, but onlin inline skates, etc. |
| 18:16.39 | mrpull- | but I think debian does fit the bill nicely |
| 18:16.47 | levi | sjansen: Looks more like hippogriff, and those are cool. |
| 18:16.49 | mrpull- | errr make that debian gnu/linux |
| 18:17.05 | mheath | sjansen: And I should remind you that the GNU operating system is what forms the basics that, along with the linux kernel itself and util-linux, are necessary for the basic operation of most Linux-based systems out there. |
| 18:17.11 | maquis | yay for hippogriffs! |
| 18:17.22 | mheath | sjansen: No. But I'm not one of those people who tells the Tech Support "Windows" when asked what browser I'm using. |
| 18:17.26 | sjansen | mheath: And that is why I'm insulting you. Because you're insulting me. |
| 18:17.45 | maquis | mheath: what GNU operating system? |
| 18:18.00 | mheath | maquis: The GNU operating system. The operating system I have on two of my computers here. |
| 18:18.16 | mheath | The operating system that, minus it's kernel and replaced with Linux, is probably on some of your computers. |
| 18:18.33 | hans | gnu's not an OS |
| 18:18.36 | sjansen | mheath: Do you even know the meaning of the word pedantic? |
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| 18:18.47 | maquis | mheath: sorry.. .i run linux an freebsd for operating systems |
| 18:18.48 | mrpull- | Hurd sucks |
| 18:18.49 | sjansen | Do you understand why your behavior makes you look stupid? |
| 18:18.51 | mheath | maquis: GNU is an operating system. Most Linux distributions are that operating system, they just replace the GNU kernel with Linux. |
| 18:19.23 | decriptor | does GNU even have a kernel |
| 18:19.29 | maquis | mheath: sorry... i'm not buying it... |
| 18:19.33 | sjansen | mheath: We're all very familiar with the distriction Mr. Stallman would like us to make. We're not as stupid as you might think you inexperience little pipsqueak. |
| 18:19.38 | mheath | decriptor: .........I'm a developer for that kernel. Thanks :) |
| 18:19.54 | hans | and yet you just asked for an operating system that includes "Apache HTTPd, Subversion, MySQL, Postfix, ProFTPd, SSHd, BIND, etc" none of which are GNU products to my knowledge. |
| 18:19.58 | decriptor | oh well thats good enough for the cookies I smoke |
| 18:19.59 | mrpull- | mheath: what notable contributions have you made to that kernel? |
| 18:20.00 | mheath | decriptor: We've had a working kernel longer than Linux has been around. |
| 18:20.11 | sjansen | heh |
| 18:20.39 | hans | working? |
| 18:20.56 | sjansen | Well, booting occasionally. |
| 18:21.31 | maquis | for everyone's enjoyment: |
| 18:21.37 | maquis | ~dict pedantic |
| 18:21.41 | mheath | mrpull-: Just some minor stuff. GNU Texinfo dir translator (syncs index with info files), I've helped work on some patches to GNU libc to fix some pthread issues |
| 18:21.45 | mheath | Really not much |
| 18:23.33 | mheath | Theres been a couple other minor things, and I've helped go through some old patches, clean them up/modernize them, and recommend |
| 18:23.51 | mheath | *recommend them for merging in |
| 18:23.52 | sjansen | Pedantic: Having the characteristic of focusing on trivia and displaying knowledge of such to create (an often false) appearance of intelligence or knowledge. |
| 18:24.17 | mheath | mrpull-: Honestly, I've done next to nothing for the Hurd project |
| 18:24.32 | maquis | hmmm... that definition works well with mheath on a semi-regular basis |
| 18:24.33 | mheath | I kinda got fed up with one developer in particular who, for some unknown reason, is rather in control of the development process |
| 18:24.44 | mrpull- | mheath: then I suppose I am a contributor to that project as well |
| 18:24.59 | maquis | mheath: you've done next to nothing for the project, and yet you love to point out that you're a developer for it |
| 18:25.48 | sjansen | He wants us to stroke his ego. |
| 18:25.49 | mheath | mrpull-, maquis: And definining contributor as "has code upstream" is inappropriate? |
| 18:26.24 | sjansen | By that definition, emcnabb is a kernel hacker. |
| 18:26.28 | mrpull- | it is if you retract your statement by saying "nearly nothing" in your next comment |
| 18:26.32 | maquis | i would argue that claiming that you are a "developer" for a project would probably imply that you've done something notable |
| 18:26.59 | sjansen | He's made some minor contributions to the Linux kernel (note the more reasonable usage, adding a modifier when needed) but you don't seem him constantly bragging about it. |
| 18:27.34 | hans | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:27.44 | RyanE | Ooooh! I'm a Kernel Hacker too. I submitted a 2-line patch 4.5 years ago. Woo Hoo! |
| 18:27.46 | mheath | sjansen: I didn't brag about anything! I told someone that I developed for it; thats all I said. Then mrpull- asked what I'd done, so I told him what I'd done. |
| 18:27.50 | hans | er, -praise emcnabb |
| 18:27.58 | mheath | I've done next to nothing compared to most of the developers, who have been involved with the project for over a decade. |
| 18:28.04 | maquis | mheath: you said you're a developer for it |
| 18:28.32 | mheath | maquis: Yes. I continue to work on minor patches whenever I have the time, and I've done several things in the past |
| 18:28.42 | mheath | Its a small, inactive project. I do more than many. |
| 18:29.01 | sjansen | mheath: Come now, if you're going to be pedantic about the proper naming of Linux, you'd better be just as careful about not misrepresenting your contributions to the Hurd. |
| 18:29.45 | mheath | sjansen: I stated very clearly and completely what my contributions were. And who said anything about the Hurd? |
| 18:30.11 | mheath | I said I've worked on GNUs kernel. Mach. Hurd isn't a kernel. O.o |
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| 18:31.08 | maquis | mheath: let me restate what sjansen was trying to say: |
| 18:31.16 | sjansen | And of course the kernel isn't used in the Hurd. You're right, I'm sorry. The connection was obviously too complicated for a person with your limited intelligence. |
| 18:31.42 | maquis | you are pedantic about the proper naming of linux, but you're not being at all careful about making comments that misrepresent your contributions to the GNU kernel |
| 18:33.42 | levi | OK, back to re-implementing my Chicken Scheme bindings to the GNU readline library for tab-completion. |
| 18:33.47 | mheath | No. I'm done arguing. This isn't getting us anywhere, and I keep getting distracted from my work. |
| 18:33.58 | emcnabb | woohoo, I'm now a kernel developer! |
| 18:34.07 | emcnabb | thank goodness for that one line patch! |
| 18:34.21 | sjansen | ~worship emcnabb |
| 18:34.23 | ibot | ACTION prostrates himself before emcnabb. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 18:34.23 | emcnabb | ~praise emcnabb |
| 18:34.25 | ibot | All hail emcnabb! |
| 18:34.32 | emcnabb | thank you all! |
| 18:34.55 | hans | -lart emcnabb |
| 18:35.01 | hans | just to keep you humble |
| 18:35.11 | emcnabb | but I'm a kernel hacker! |
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| 18:37.19 | mheath | BTW, I really wasn't trying to overqualify my involvement. I was just trying to use a word that I thought acureately described it. Sorry. (see http://foldoc.org/foldoc.cgi?query=developer&action=Search) |
| 18:37.21 | brac | [programmer from FOLDOC] |
| 18:37.30 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 18:37.49 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 18:38.15 | maquis | at least i don't have to watch blue's clues |
| 18:38.31 | mheath | I'm kinda confused though. Could someone tell me what makes the use of word "developer" appropriate? |
| 18:38.47 | mheath | Someone who's constantly involved with development, then? |
| 18:39.16 | vontrapp | -lart "Eterm" |
| 18:39.59 | maquis | mheath: i've always heard it used when people have made some sort of significant contribution |
| 18:40.00 | sjansen | If you're actively making significatn contributions, you are a developer. If you've done a few tiny things, you're a minor contributor. (Although most people wouldn't even say that because they'd feel no need to claim anything.) |
| 18:40.17 | emcnabb | I'm a kernel hacker! |
| 18:40.49 | hans | ~cook emcnabb |
| 18:40.51 | ibot | ACTION throws emcnabb in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks emcnabb on 350 for an hour |
| 18:40.53 | mheath | Ugh, Jason's here. Time to avoid going upstairs... |
| 18:40.56 | hans | and your little dog too |
| 18:41.22 | Jayce^ | mheath, you are downstairs? you work for convergys :-p |
| 18:41.32 | emcnabb | I'd avoid Jayce^ too |
| 18:41.42 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, smart move |
| 18:41.45 | mheath | sjansen: Sorry. All I meant was that I've submitted useful bits of code on a regular basis for several years. Nothing more. |
| 18:42.08 | mheath | Jayce^: No. I work for Applebees. I'm at home, and trying to avoid Jason. |
| 18:42.48 | Jayce^ | what's really lame for all us Jason's in the world, is when coworkers start using and having discussions about JSON and JSAN.... |
| 18:42.55 | emcnabb | 'da Bears! |
| 18:42.59 | emcnabb | oh wait, never mind |
| 18:43.08 | hans | Jayce^-san |
| 18:43.20 | vontrapp | Daniel-SAN |
| 18:43.24 | mheath | Jayce^: You Jasons have a very bad one among your ranks :) |
| 18:43.29 | emcnabb | I was amazed that Seattle actually won something |
| 18:43.32 | emcnabb | there are miracles |
| 18:43.36 | maquis | emcnabb: what'd we win? |
| 18:43.39 | vontrapp | k, so i have a non-respondent xterm |
| 18:43.39 | emcnabb | I thought all their sports teams suck |
| 18:43.41 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, and we're favored for the superbowl |
| 18:43.43 | hans | a shrubbery |
| 18:43.46 | emcnabb | oh wait, they do! |
| 18:43.56 | vontrapp | i try to start xterm and cpu just goes crazy and no xterm |
| 18:44.09 | hans | maybe ltrace or strace it |
| 18:44.14 | maquis | is it basketball season? or something else |
| 18:44.18 | hans | cpu stays pegged until you interrupt? |
| 18:44.22 | maquis | i thought the mariners were good... |
| 18:44.29 | sjansen | macadamia |
| 18:44.30 | hans | good at marinating |
| 18:44.31 | maquis | wait... someone said superbowl.. htat means football |
| 18:44.31 | Jayce^ | maquis, seahawks just won their first postseason game since 1984! |
| 18:44.40 | maquis | cool |
| 18:44.46 | vontrapp | hans, yes, pegged till interrupt |
| 18:44.46 | Jayce^ | next week Carolina, then the superbowl! |
| 18:44.51 | maquis | that's a long time to not win a postseason game... |
| 18:45.15 | maquis | ie, the last time they did it, i wasn't born yet (assuming it was before may of 1984) |
| 18:45.19 | hans | not when you're picked on unfairly. come on, practice your victimizations |
| 18:45.20 | emcnabb | go Panthers go! |
| 18:46.03 | vontrapp | it even takes a long time to interrupt |
| 18:46.44 | tensai | maquis: when was the last time *you* won a postseason NFL game? |
| 18:47.14 | vontrapp | it happened somewhere between reinstalling xterm and reconfiguring locales |
| 18:47.26 | hans | what about uxterm? |
| 18:47.42 | tensai | vontrapp: just give up and use konsole. you know you want to. |
| 18:47.50 | vontrapp | pbbt |
| 18:48.07 | tensai | peanut butter, bacon and tomato? sounds yummy. |
| 18:48.08 | maquis | tensai: erm |
| 18:48.53 | qbfreak | sometimes combining good things does not yeild a good combination |
| 18:49.21 | tensai | the more I think about it, the better that sounds. curse you vontrapp! curse your whole family! |
| 18:49.39 | qbfreak | I'd try it but the bacon is a week old, which reminds me I need to go throw it away |
| 18:49.57 | hans | ~recurse tensai |
| 18:50.01 | vontrapp | qbfreak: sometimes it's inspired, like a quarterback and a freak |
| 18:59.40 | vontrapp | i think it's probably a locale thing |
| 19:01.00 | tensai | why did the kde panel just die? hans, is this your curse taking effect? |
| 19:01.56 | hans | come on, now. not even shufflepuck? |
| 19:02.58 | vontrapp | also, when xterm is failing to start, kswapd comes up using a lot of cpu as well, like lots of memory is being used or something |
| 19:03.10 | sjansen | I'm a sport fan once every four years as long as Brazil qualifies for the World Cup. |
| 19:03.24 | goozbach | the only reason I like the superbowl is that it means that baseball season is just around the corner |
| 19:04.05 | vontrapp | eg, baseball :P |
| 19:04.15 | vontrapp | -kill baseball |
| 19:04.29 | hans | yeah, the world cup can be fun |
| 19:04.29 | hans | and the olypmics |
| 19:04.38 | sjansen | There are worse things that baseball... Golf and bowling, for example. |
| 19:05.01 | sjansen | Although, I won't fight much if you disagree about bowling. |
| 19:05.08 | vontrapp | i don't rate lesser sports, i just hate them all equally |
| 19:05.46 | qbfreak | heh |
| 19:06.21 | qbfreak | I don't hate them, but they don't mean enough to me to follow much less get all excited about |
| 19:07.39 | vontrapp | so what is qb then? |
| 19:08.21 | qbfreak | once upon a time it was QBasic |
| 19:09.19 | qbfreak | although these days I use batch files and AutoIt for my light-weight programming/scripting needs |
| 19:10.33 | qbfreak | I don't do any serious programming, usually little things to help me out |
| 19:10.44 | hans | we're here to help. start this way: "My name is qbfreak, and I'm a Windows admin" |
| 19:11.02 | qbfreak | Linux is growing on me :) |
| 19:11.14 | hans | then go to utwaa.org, join the list, and get help installing cygwin |
| 19:11.20 | qbfreak | I |
| 19:11.27 | hans | and then kick the batch file habit |
| 19:11.30 | qbfreak | 've installed cygwin and automated a tape library with perl scripts :p |
| 19:11.33 | hans | and pick up ruby for scripting |
| 19:11.43 | hans | or perl, perl is ok too |
| 19:11.52 | hans | looks like we're on the right path here folks. nothing to see |
| 19:11.53 | qbfreak | and then I found out that for my particular case batch files worked a little better |
| 19:11.56 | hans | move along |
| 19:12.03 | goozbach | http://www.thegreenhead.com/cool-stuff/2005/04/lego-life-size-han-solo-frozen-in.php |
| 19:12.06 | brac | [The Green Head - The Cool Stuff: LEGO Life Size Han Solo Frozen in Carbonite - 10,000 Bricks!] |
| 19:12.31 | qbfreak | but I did use perl and bash for a CD duplicator, if that helps :) |
| 19:13.04 | qbfreak | thats cool |
| 19:14.03 | sjansen | I guess we all have a past to be ashamed of. Mine is that I'm a former Mac bigot. |
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| 19:21.51 | maquis | goozbach: cool |
| 19:22.36 | vontrapp | yeah, xterm when it tries to start just starts eating up memory and doesn't stop |
| 19:22.48 | vontrapp | then swapping starts going on like mad |
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| 19:37.01 | goozbach | "I thought what I'd do is pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes." |
| 19:44.19 | Tene | http://braincore.blogspot.com/2006/01/lol-best-blond-joke-ever.html |
| 19:44.20 | brac | [brain core: lol: best blond joke ever] |
| 19:59.24 | maquis | tensai: sjansen already posted that |
| 19:59.44 | Tene | It's a good thing tensai repeated what sjansen posted, not me. |
| 19:59.51 | sjansen | Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. |
| 19:59.54 | tensai | ~lart maquis for making a tab-complete error |
| 20:00.04 | maquis | tensai: sorry |
| 20:00.06 | Tene | else I'd feel shamed for not paying enough attention to the channel to know that. |
| 20:00.16 | tensai | ~lart maquis for being apologetic |
| 20:00.17 | maquis | you silly people with ten* for nicks |
| 20:01.43 | qbfreak | !teneis SillyPeople |
| 20:01.56 | qbfreak | except it seems to me he turned that wonderful feature off :) |
| 20:10.10 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:10.55 | maquis | sjansen: i agree |
| 20:11.05 | sjansen | Do we really need dedicated Utah only Ubunt/Gentoo/Mandrake/etc. groups? |
| 20:12.24 | sjansen | I guess it's time to write a long essay declaring that the sky is falling. |
| 20:12.26 | goozbach | I hearby announce the formation of the ULSCUG |
| 20:12.42 | goozbach | Utah ls core-utils group |
| 20:15.32 | sjansen | Fine than, I'm forming UWWLDSJIURNG (Utah Worshipers of Whatever Linux Distribution SJansen Is Using Right Now Group). |
| 20:17.28 | goozbach | I'll form a sister-group the FOWDSJIUTWG (Figure out which distro sjansen is using this week group) |
| 20:20.14 | Jayce^ | sjansen, a gentoo group is nice, then they stop whining at plug :) |
| 20:23.22 | qbfreak | you all are gonna make me join WAA (Windows Admins Anonymous) aren't you? :) |
| 20:23.47 | hans | ~waa qbfreak |
| 20:24.19 | hans | ~waa $who is $who : My name is ibot, and I'm a Windows Admins Anonymous recruiter |
| 20:24.21 | ibot | okay, hans |
| 20:24.27 | sjansen | Jayce^: No it isn't. Now we don't have as much chance to make fun of them. |
| 20:24.49 | hans | gmail does a good job of catching the spam, except for the ones offering degrees |
| 20:24.56 | hans | I've been getting like 3 a day of those lately |
| 20:25.10 | hans | are they tryint to tell me to graduate and be a real boy already? |
| 20:25.27 | maquis | hans: yup |
| 20:25.28 | sjansen | You too, huh? I keep reporting them as spam, but gmail isn't learning. |
| 20:25.29 | Tene | No, they're telling you that it's hopeless. |
| 20:25.57 | maquis | sjansen: they're trying to tell you that your degree isn't worth anything, and they think you'd be better off just buying one |
| 20:26.20 | sjansen | Seeing as its the same degree you're trying to get, I'd consider myself warned if I were you. |
| 20:26.24 | sjansen | ~warn maquis |
| 20:26.50 | goozbach | maquis: the answer is one more |
| 20:27.13 | maquis | i can think of 13, assuming utwaa is included |
| 20:27.20 | maquis | goozbach: :P |
| 20:27.22 | hans | utwaa isn't a lug |
| 20:27.40 | maquis | ok.. then we've got 12 |
| 20:27.42 | hans | ~utwaa maquis |
| 20:27.50 | hans | ~waa maquis |
| 20:27.52 | ibot | hans : My name is ibot, and I'm a Windows Admins Anonymous recruiter |
| 20:27.57 | hans | moron |
| 20:28.02 | maquis | hans: i wasn't sure if it counted, since it's for unix uses... |
| 20:28.08 | maquis | ~mock hans |
| 20:28.10 | ibot | ACTION pulls hans's pants down and shows the world hans's pink spotted underwear |
| 20:28.12 | hans | no, it's a place to discuss windows |
| 20:28.17 | hans | for people of the unix persuasion |
| 20:28.35 | maquis | yeah |
| 20:28.43 | hans | a place where they can show contempt for windows without offending anyone, yet get real answers because they're all in the same boat |
| 20:29.09 | maquis | anyway... that still leaves us with 12 LUG/UUGs |
| 20:29.10 | hans | a place where they don't have to be afraid about being flamed for asking a windows question that only a unix-type that uses windows regularly would know |
| 20:29.19 | hans | a place... ok I'll shut up |
| 20:29.36 | maquis | which is annoying |
| 20:29.53 | tensai | o/~ where everybody knows your name. and they're always glad you came. ~/o |
| 20:29.56 | maquis | and it ignores all the language-specific clubs |
| 20:30.03 | maquis | like perl mongers and such |
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| 20:38.37 | sjansen | How did I ever survive so long with context greps? |
| 20:39.39 | hans | i give up, how? |
| 20:39.46 | goozbach | you mean without? |
| 20:42.25 | Mecworks | how did I live so long without plucker and www.pluckerbooks.com? |
| 20:44.05 | goozbach | pluckerbooks.com!? |
| 20:44.34 | mrpull- | hans: your forgot the ubuntu team gets naked some times |
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| 20:45.44 | amcnabb | I really love Asterisk |
| 20:45.56 | hans | it really loves you |
| 20:46.00 | amcnabb | There are a ton of prerecorded "professional" sounds. |
| 20:46.03 | Tene | did it save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance? |
| 20:46.33 | amcnabb | If anyone wants to see what I mean, call 717-2264 (one at a time). It's my Asterisk test server. |
| 20:46.55 | amcnabb | I strung together a bunch of the better sound clips. |
| 20:47.12 | hans | I've listened to them. lots of fun |
| 20:47.28 | amcnabb | I'm definitely having fun with this. |
| 20:47.50 | emcnabb | one of my alltime favorite dilberts: http://www.flubu.com/comics/dilbert2.gif |
| 20:48.11 | amcnabb | That's definitely my favorite Dilbert. |
| 20:48.16 | maquis | emcnabb: so true :) |
| 20:53.14 | emcnabb | amcnabb, that's awesome! |
| 20:53.55 | amcnabb | It's a string of files |
| 20:53.59 | Mecworks | yeah, that's cool. I want an option to listen to streaming music while on hold. |
| 20:54.05 | amcnabb | I can give you the list if you want it. |
| 20:54.20 | amcnabb | It's all in asterisk-sounds and asterisk-sounds-extras on Debian. |
| 20:54.23 | Jayce^ | excellent |
| 20:55.11 | Mecworks | So, who's at work today? |
| 20:55.25 | emcnabb | we're at work |
| 20:55.33 | amcnabb | I haven't even showered yet. |
| 20:55.38 | Mecworks | :) |
| 20:55.41 | Mecworks | same here. |
| 20:56.00 | Mecworks | but I'll be going to the Orem rec to workout first in just a few minutes. |
| 20:56.12 | emcnabb | dang you all! |
| 20:57.05 | scott | hans, do you use lots of triggers in quicksilver? |
| 20:59.07 | amcnabb | I just got an email: apparantly sjansen tried to call my number when someone else was already connected. :) |
| 20:59.12 | hans | just ctrl-space |
| 21:00.53 | findlay | wierd |
| 21:01.07 | findlay | networking can be wierd |
| 21:02.49 | sjansen | My boss just tried to say "I'm yak shaving" and it came out "I'm shagging a dead moose." |
| 21:04.03 | sjansen | I was eating as he said it. Thankfully I didn't spit food all over my laptop. |
| 21:04.35 | Jayce^ | I'm just wondering how one would confuse the two phrases in their mind? |
| 21:04.54 | emcnabb | he had only heard the previous phrase once |
| 21:04.58 | emcnabb | so he couldn't remember it |
| 21:05.11 | emcnabb | he remembered it had something to do with a large hoved mammal |
| 21:05.17 | goozbach | he has an unhealty obsession with moose |
| 21:05.21 | mheath | I decided to finally purchase World of Warcraft. I've wanted that for a while. |
| 21:05.42 | Jayce^ | just don't join Perenolde |
| 21:05.54 | mheath | eh? |
| 21:06.06 | Jayce^ | hrm, I should pull my old blog entry about yak shaving to post, get that link back up |
| 21:06.24 | Jayce^ | mheath, if you are getting WOW, don't join perenolde |
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| 21:06.38 | mheath | and perenolde is....? |
| 21:06.46 | mheath | Some clan? |
| 21:06.51 | Jayce^ | a server |
| 21:07.15 | mheath | ah |
| 21:07.17 | mheath | why? |
| 21:07.21 | Jayce^ | we're full |
| 21:07.46 | Jayce^ | I'm sick of people joining us, since we're a full one, they think that's better... |
| 21:07.51 | Jayce^ | dorks keep giving us queues |
| 21:08.39 | mheath | Is there a good one that is well populated, but not overly so? |
| 21:08.59 | Jayce^ | actually, join one with a lower population, it will be enough |
| 21:09.02 | mheath | Thats one of the reasons I wanted to play this; I've played some small, free MMORPG games before, but none have been very heavily populated. |
| 21:09.25 | mheath | There was a MUD I used to play...it was jam packed. |
| 21:09.40 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 21:09.44 | Tene | retromud is nice |
| 21:09.53 | mheath | Amazing. A *huge* world (the world was user-expandable, and the game had been around for years), and you'd *still* run into people in random places in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:10.00 | Jayce^ | oh, there's plenty of folks, but getting into a full one is a bad decision |
| 21:10.18 | mheath | Wow, a thick manual... |
| 21:10.21 | mheath | How complicated is WoW? |
| 21:10.25 | mheath | Do I actually need to read this? |
| 21:10.49 | Jayce^ | that, and all the patch changelogs.. .very important if you want to do well |
| 21:10.59 | mheath | Let me correct myself |
| 21:11.16 | mheath | Do I need to read this before playing for a couple of hours before I leave for work? |
| 21:11.23 | mheath | (if this gets done installing before then >.>) |
| 21:13.21 | Jayce^ | mheath, it won't get done, you have to patch to 1.9, that will be several hundred mb's to download |
| 21:13.58 | mheath | argh |
| 21:14.08 | mheath | How fast our there servers? I've got 3MB down... |
| 21:14.22 | Tene | *ouch* |
| 21:14.28 | mheath | *MBit, that is |
| 21:14.46 | Tene | those are some nasty homonyms there... |
| 21:14.58 | Jayce^ | mheath, fast, but that is going off a torrent |
| 21:15.21 | mheath | erm, 4, I think. Or is it 6? I never keep up with Comcast's upgrades, because I never use the full potential, and half their announced upgrades aren't in my area yet. |
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| 21:15.48 | mheath | I'm only on CD 1 of...5 |
| 21:16.01 | mheath | 5GB of HDD space. Ha! |
| 21:22.29 | dilvie | yay. |
| 21:24.45 | hans | he dilvie, are you needing this vst plugin for windows or mac? |
| 21:25.45 | dilvie | hans: both! =) |
| 21:25.57 | hans | osx or classic? |
| 21:26.02 | dilvie | hans: OSX |
| 21:26.11 | dilvie | hans: have you been working on it? |
| 21:26.16 | hans | i'm not sure how I'll compile the windows one, but we can cross that bridge later |
| 21:26.21 | hans | you can test in osx? |
| 21:26.26 | dilvie | hans: maybe I can compile it. =) |
| 21:26.32 | dilvie | yeah, I can test in OSX |
| 21:26.34 | dilvie | =) |
| 21:26.48 | dilvie | hans: what compiler do you intend to use? |
| 21:26.53 | hans | i took a look at the sdk and stuff. no code yet. everything except the detuning should be very simple |
| 21:26.57 | hans | gcc |
| 21:26.58 | dilvie | I have visual studio and gcc |
| 21:27.50 | dilvie | hans: detuning should be simple.. you might be able to find tutorials related to trackers, or even take a poke through some open source tracker code (psycle comes to mind) |
| 21:28.42 | hans | yeah, i think I've learned how to do it, but it's gonna take real code, as opposed to just stringing together sndobjs |
| 21:31.37 | hans | licensing will be the other trick |
| 21:37.13 | hans | but if we don't distribute it I think we're ok |
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| 21:40.40 | levi | Gah. Trying to interface with readline is killing me. |
| 21:52.22 | Tene | YAY! |
| 21:52.26 | sjansen | BOO! |
| 21:52.33 | Tene | YAY! |
| 21:52.42 | maquis | -lart Tene |
| 21:54.39 | sjansen | ~silence Tene |
| 21:54.40 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in Tene's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 22:00.39 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/16/airplane.fatality/index.html |
| 22:00.40 | brac | [CNN.com - Mechanic sucked into jet engine - Jan 16, 2006] |
| 22:02.02 | pmcnabb | gross |
| 22:02.20 | pmcnabb | -lart jet engine |
| 22:02.49 | maquis | ew!... |
| 22:02.57 | maquis | just imagine if you were on the plane and saw that... |
| 22:03.04 | pmcnabb | maquis, i'd rather not.. |
| 22:03.11 | mheath | someones going to go to jail for that, I guarantee it |
| 22:03.27 | mheath | They have strict lockout, tagout style regulations for airplane mainteance |
| 22:04.08 | emcnabb | unless it was the mechanic's fault for getting too close |
| 22:04.15 | emcnabb | I guess he can't go to jail |
| 22:04.32 | maquis | true |
| 22:04.51 | qbfreak | he could but it'd be messey |
| 22:05.15 | pmcnabb | they could put an iron gate around his headstone |
| 22:05.53 | Tene | etch "Jail" into his coffin |
| 22:06.21 | sjansen | On closer reflection, /me regrets joking about a tragic death. |
| 22:06.38 | maquis | "His heart stopped in September, but doctors revived him and returned him to death row. " |
| 22:06.44 | maquis | (in reference to another case) |
| 22:06.53 | maquis | hte guy's supposed to be executed tomorrow |
| 22:07.36 | maquis | anyone else think it kind of odd? |
| 22:07.51 | goozbach | yeah "DON'T you die yet!" |
| 22:07.57 | sjansen | Some are portraying that as cruelty, to which I ask "What, we should let him die when he still might be pardoned?" |
| 22:08.08 | goozbach | "We're going to kill you thursday" |
| 22:08.18 | pmcnabb | suppose they found evidence that he didn't really commit the crime? |
| 22:08.27 | pmcnabb | (between the time of heart attack and execution) |
| 22:08.39 | goozbach | "I'll most likey kill you in the morning." |
| 22:11.15 | hans | ~suicide |
| 22:11.19 | ibot | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing hans commit suicide |
| 22:11.34 | hans | maybe his heart attack was a suicide attempt |
| 22:11.50 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: It could be worse. You could be using mysql. |
| 22:12.23 | jsmith | mrpull: I'm assuming you mean FC5test2 |
| 22:12.44 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:12.45 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: That bad, eh? |
| 22:12.57 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: just miss true prepared queries, that's all |
| 22:13.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I hear v 8 supports them |
| 22:13.14 | mrpull- | it is amusing that it could include a DVD authoring package and not be able to play most dvd's out of the box |
| 22:13.37 | jsmith | mrpull-: Such is life :-) |
| 22:13.51 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Mysql supports those? |
| 22:14.10 | Jayce^ | jsmith, not until newer versions, no.. |
| 22:14.13 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: Mysql has always supported prepared queries as far as I can remember. So does Oracle |
| 22:14.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: what versions didn't support them? |
| 22:14.31 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, nope, same as early pg, they masked it.. |
| 22:14.34 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe I just didn't care back then |
| 22:14.42 | mrpull- | jsmith: true, but it sucks. |
| 22:14.53 | Jayce^ | just because you call *prepare* then *execute* does NOT mean it is actually doing a prepared statement |
| 22:15.06 | Jayce^ | the interface is just providing it |
| 22:15.33 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: what version of MySQL started doing that? |
| 22:15.44 | Jayce^ | 4.1 iirc? |
| 22:15.52 | jsmith | Jayce^: Sounds about right... |
| 22:16.17 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: ah - I think everything good about MySQL started around then |
| 22:16.39 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Well, not *everything*... but it was a good start |
| 22:16.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I know Oracle has supported it for awhile |
| 22:17.07 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: I *did* say "started" |
| 22:17.27 | Uncle_Jesse | it's nearing perfection now though ;-) |
| 22:17.38 | jsmith | ~lart Uncle_Jesse |
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| 22:19.30 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Well, at least you're not all evil. |
| 22:20.55 | mheath | I missed the "ibot accelerates..." line. Thought we were talking about the Redhat RPM. |
| 22:21.10 | jsmith | We are -- sort of :-) |
| 22:21.22 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: ibot gave us the idea |
| 22:21.59 | sjansen | jsmith: What's this "for once" stuff? You've agreed with me several times by now. Admit it, I'm right pretty often. (And when we disagree, it's usually you that's wrong.) |
| 22:22.35 | jsmith | sjansen: Yeah, but the last time I agreed with you was so long ago I've forgotten it already. And you're wrong -- it's me that's usually right when we disagree. |
| 22:22.40 | sjansen | s/usually/always/ |
| 22:22.45 | graphyx_home | jsmith: You playing games tomorrow night? |
| 22:22.59 | jsmith | graphyx: Can't. Three meetings and my son's b-day party... |
| 22:24.11 | mheath | playing games? |
| 22:40.56 | mheath | Jayce^: The version I bought is apparently updated |
| 22:41.10 | mheath | just needs one 184MB patch, which is downloading quickly (ETA 4 minutes) |
| 22:41.18 | Jayce^ | yeah, the 1.9 |
| 22:41.23 | Jayce^ | saves you a lot |
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| 22:47.18 | mheath | I think I'm going to go undead mage |
| 22:47.21 | mheath | Not sure though |
| 22:48.00 | Jayce^ | I've got one of those, pretty fun |
| 22:48.11 | Jayce^ | undead starting area is nice and compact |
| 22:48.17 | Jayce^ | less walking required |
| 22:49.53 | mheath | Or Tauren Druid |
| 22:51.07 | mheath | man, I'll still be lucky if I get 20 minutes of playing time before I have to leave for owrk |
| 22:53.18 | Jayce^ | just remember, create 3 characters, and rotate them.. |
| 22:53.32 | Jayce^ | always leaving them in an inn, and only playing the 'blue' rested XP |
| 22:53.46 | Jayce^ | you'll have 3 chars at 60 in the same time it would normally take to get 1 |
| 22:54.19 | Tene | What's the 'rested XP' thing? |
| 22:55.38 | Jayce^ | to encourage casual players, and for people to log off, if you are logged off in an inn, you get bonus time, the longer there, the more 'time'.. that time will result in double XP for things you kill |
| 22:55.47 | Jayce^ | makes it easier to level if you aren't on it non-stop |
| 22:55.50 | Tene | ahh |
| 22:57.08 | mrpull- | i've been tempted to get WoW, but I don't want it to become a part time job |
| 23:00.54 | sjansen | mrpull-: Run away. Don't look back. Don't reconsider. |
| 23:01.44 | mrpull- | sjansen: you are probably right. I actually downloaded the trial and chickened out before I installed it :) |
| 23:03.44 | Jayce^ | It's crack |
| 23:07.52 | mheath | ~lart defective status bars |
| 23:08.27 | mheath | This patcher hung at about 20% forever. Made me thing I'd never see the inside of this game before I had to leave for work |
| 23:08.30 | mheath | Now it's flying |
| 23:09.32 | emcnabb | sjansen grumbles about everything |
| 23:19.36 | hans | and other dumb music |
| 23:21.32 | maquis | erm... where's the setting to change the stack-size for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:21.39 | maquis | i'm trying to install ndiswrapper for a friend |
| 23:26.51 | emcnabb | maquis, it's compiled into the kernel |
| 23:27.04 | sjansen | make config then pay very close attention, eventually you'll get to that option |
| 23:27.04 | maquis | emcnabb: yeah |
| 23:27.14 | maquis | i was looking through the kernel conf options, and couldn't find it |
| 23:27.28 | maquis | is it necessary, or can i get by without changing that? |
| 23:28.00 | xbmodder_lappy | :-? |
| 23:28.17 | sjansen | ndiswrapper is evil and hackish |
| 23:28.40 | maquis | sjansen: yes... but it's the only way i can find to make a broadcom card work... |
| 23:28.44 | maquis | unless you know of something better |
| 23:28.52 | hans | yeah, get another card |
| 23:29.18 | sjansen | My Cisco PCMCIA card works wonderfully. |
| 23:31.41 | maquis | hmm |
| 23:31.56 | maquis | cat .config | grep CONFIG_4K doesn't return anything |
| 23:33.44 | maquis | the only references to stack in .config are for DEBUG_STACKOVERFLOW and DEBUG_STACK_USAGE |
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| 23:37.02 | Tene | in 'make menuconfig' it's in 'Kernel Hacking' |
| 23:37.05 | Tene | all the way at the bottom |
| 23:37.21 | Tene | '[*] Use 4Kb for kernel stacks instead of 8Kb' |
| 23:37.27 | Tene | is that what you're talking about? |
| 23:37.42 | maquis | Tene: that's what i want, but this kernel doesn't appear to have that option |
| 23:38.12 | Tene | Huh. |
| 23:38.15 | Tene | spooky. |
| 23:38.43 | maquis | it's 2.6.5, but from what i can see on google, 2.6.3 and 2.6.4 could run ndiswrapper fine |
| 23:39.27 | Tene | this is 2.6.14 |
| 23:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | 2.6.5, it was in another spot |
| 23:40.56 | ScytheBlade1 | hit /, and type in 4K |
| 23:41.13 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i tried that in the .config file, and didn't see it |
| 23:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmm |
| 23:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | CONFIG_4KSTACKS |
