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| 00:32.06 | maquis | ~convert in^3 to ft^3 |
| 00:37.14 | maquis | -lart stupid headaches that won't go away |
| 00:37.46 | maquis | brac: no... i don't want this headache to still exist in 3 weeks |
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| 00:48.06 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:17.08 | lars-ut | ~convert miles to furlongs |
| 01:21.40 | graphyx | Evening. |
| 01:21.57 | graphyx | ~convert catholics to Islam |
| 01:22.22 | graphyx | convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.32 | graphyx | ~convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.42 | graphyx | Ok thats good to know. |
| 01:22.56 | graphyx | ~convert 8000 feet^2 to acres |
| 01:24.45 | Mecworks | ~convert 0.183655 acres to barleycorn^2 |
| 01:26.46 | graphyx | ~define barleycorn |
| 01:27.45 | graphyx | ~spell hectacre |
| 01:28.39 | TimRiker | ~dict barleycorn |
| 01:28.52 | Mecworks | ~convert barleycorn to inches |
| 01:29.05 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.16 | graphyx | seems a strange unit to want to use though. |
| 01:29.21 | TimRiker | ~convert light years to barleycorns |
| 01:29.46 | graphyx | ~convert light years to picometers |
| 01:30.19 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to picometers/nanosecond |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | barleycorn |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.41 | Mecworks | (wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_unit |
| 01:31.08 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 pound to grains |
| 01:31.57 | TimRiker | convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:32.05 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:33.06 | graphyx | have fun. |
| 01:33.06 | TimRiker | http://utaug.org/ |
| 01:33.42 | Hhhhh | anybody here plays planeshift? |
| 01:33.59 | graphyx | I tried it out for a night just to see what it was like. |
| 01:34.03 | graphyx | Interesting, but needs content. ;) |
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| 01:58.25 | maquis | hey! |
| 01:58.43 | maquis | that's the 3rd time i've seen firefox crash in the past 3 weeks |
| 01:58.43 | graphyx | HEY! |
| 01:58.53 | graphyx | What version are you on? |
| 01:58.54 | maquis | it just randomly seg-faults |
| 01:59.02 | maquis | 1.5 |
| 01:59.03 | graphyx | Have you gotten 1.5 yet? |
| 01:59.07 | graphyx | ok. |
| 01:59.14 | maquis | it aint nice for it to crash on me |
| 01:59.21 | graphyx | nope. |
| 01:59.30 | graphyx | So maquis does it always rain this much in Seattle? |
| 01:59.32 | maquis | 42mb core file... |
| 01:59.53 | maquis | graphyx: well... it depends on the year and the time of year |
| 02:00.12 | graphyx | The newspaper states that they are going for a record consecutive days of rain currently. |
| 02:00.12 | maquis | i recall one year that we only got 4 days of sunshine all summer long |
| 02:00.33 | maquis | i also recall times that we had very little rain |
| 02:00.38 | maquis | it was raining particularly *hard* over break, i noticed... |
| 02:00.53 | maquis | we also had some great (beautiful) wind storms |
| 02:01.09 | graphyx | beautiful wind storms? How is a wind storm beautiful? |
| 02:01.23 | maquis | they just are... |
| 02:05.43 | dilvie | DJ Decibel is dropping a live DNB set right now on Knobtweakers Radio http://www.knobtweakers.net:8000/listen.pls |
| 02:05.58 | graphyx | DNB? |
| 02:06.02 | graphyx | ~dict DNB |
| 02:06.11 | synic | drum and base |
| 02:06.17 | graphyx | ahh. |
| 02:06.41 | dilvie | =) |
| 02:06.51 | dilvie | synic knows what's up =) |
| 02:07.07 | tensai | ibot: dnb is drum and base |
| 02:07.09 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 02:07.30 | dilvie | ~dict DNB |
| 02:07.39 | dilvie | ;) |
| 02:08.44 | maquis | ~dnb |
| 02:08.46 | ibot | well, dnb is drum and base |
| 02:09.18 | synic | dilvie: sounding pretty good... from what I can here intermittently. |
| 02:09.26 | synic | er.. hear. |
| 02:10.17 | dilvie | synic: you're on comcast, and having bandwidth problems? |
| 02:10.33 | synic | for about two weeks. |
| 02:10.37 | synic | it goes up and down |
| 02:10.47 | dilvie | synic: it's only streaming at 128k |
| 02:10.54 | dilvie | synic: oi, that sucks. ); |
| 02:11.12 | synic | IE, right now, I'm lagging quite a bit here on freenode |
| 02:12.57 | dilvie | synic: ); |
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| 02:53.05 | Lone_Wanderer | -bash: make: command not found |
| 03:02.54 | dilvie | uh |
| 03:02.59 | dilvie | no make? |
| 03:03.18 | synic | distro? |
| 03:03.49 | dilvie | which make |
| 03:04.00 | dilvie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ls /usr/bin | grep make |
| 03:04.46 | Lone_Wanderer | make_fakewindows, pkgmake, winemaker |
| 03:04.50 | synic | Lone_Wanderer: what distro? |
| 03:04.58 | Lone_Wanderer | how do you find the distro name again? I tried uname -a but it doesn't seem to say |
| 03:05.17 | synic | cat /etc/redhat-version or cat /etc/debian_release |
| 03:05.32 | Lone_Wanderer | SuSE |
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| 03:08.45 | synic | probably make isn't installed by default ... couldn't be hard to install |
| 03:08.45 | synic | you'll probably need to install gcc, bison, etc, too. |
| 03:09.26 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 03:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I joined #suse and they said to just use yast |
| 03:09.43 | dilvie | wtf is yast? |
| 03:10.04 | synic | suse's installer dealie. |
| 03:13.06 | dilvie | ah |
| 03:17.54 | graphyx | It's list apt-get |
| 03:17.56 | graphyx | fur suse. |
| 03:18.00 | graphyx | s/fur/for/ |
| 03:18.15 | graphyx | ibot, I can correct myself thanks. |
| 03:18.18 | ibot | You can correct myself thanks.? |
| 03:19.02 | graphyx | it's like apt-get for suse. |
| 03:19.24 | dilvie | ibot: I am he-man! |
| 03:19.25 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, he-man! |
| 03:19.35 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 03:19.36 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 03:19.51 | graphyx | -lart ibot |
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| 04:02.28 | maquis | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1910077,00.asp |
| 04:02.29 | brac | [Symantec Caught in Norton 'Rootkit' Flap] |
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| 04:03.10 | hans | ~disturb maquis |
| 04:03.45 | hans | We just watched the first four episodes of doctor who |
| 04:03.57 | hans | erin was not overly impressed with 1963 TV cinematography |
| 04:05.29 | maquis | hans: actually, the fact that symantec's antivirus software was found with a rootkit... apparently it's slightly old-news, but i just found out about it |
| 04:05.39 | maquis | ie, they were using a similar technique to what sony did |
| 04:05.54 | graphyx | hans: You seen the new season? |
| 04:05.58 | graphyx | last years I mean. |
| 04:06.05 | graphyx | I don't know when this years starts. |
| 04:07.07 | hans | oh yes. love it |
| 04:07.16 | hans | did you watch the christmas invasion one? |
| 04:07.20 | graphyx | Any idea when the new one starts? |
| 04:07.24 | hans | the new season starts in march |
| 04:07.27 | graphyx | Yes I did. on the 27th |
| 04:07.34 | hans | so what do you think of tennant |
| 04:07.59 | graphyx | I think he will do, |
| 04:08.09 | graphyx | but the first one was fantastic. |
| 04:08.22 | hans | yeah, he'll make a good doctor but I'll sure miss eccleston |
| 04:09.04 | hans | i downloaded the first ep. because I liked doctor who as a kid on and off, and he really sold you |
| 04:09.14 | hans | and erin was into it too, which pleasantly surprised me |
| 04:17.28 | graphyx | Erin being your wife? |
| 04:27.28 | hans | yeah |
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| 05:31.17 | mheath | Time to hit the rack. G'night, all. |
| 05:33.56 | levi | Any pluggers back from the meeting? |
| 05:34.29 | mheath | actually... |
| 05:34.33 | mheath | "If you were really serious about photography, you wouldn't be using 35mm in the first place. It's meant for beginners who don't need serious resolution and fine detail which is only available in larger formats. For those beginners, digital surpasses 35mm in every way (resolution, color rendition (infinitely malleable), convenience, and you can bring hundreds of pictures for printing to the photo stand on a single card)." |
| 05:34.38 | mheath | I love slashdot comments. |
| 05:35.11 | mheath | Yeah, digital resolution > optical resolution........morons. |
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| 05:48.35 | mheath | Still kind of sad. Nikon has been a bit of a pillar in the manual 35mm world, one of the few still manufacturing high end cameras while everyone else went to digital |
| 05:48.40 | mheath | No more, I guess :( |
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| 05:52.33 | xbmodder_ | I love OOP |
| 06:16.16 | mrpull | anybody go to plug or utaug tonight? |
| 06:16.28 | mrpull | i couldn't decide which to go to and ended up staying home :-/ |
| 06:18.55 | maquis | mrpull: that's a bad excuse |
| 06:19.10 | mrpull | maquis: true. did you go? |
| 06:19.29 | maquis | no |
| 06:19.45 | mrpull | and your excuse? school again? |
| 06:20.05 | maquis | that and the fact that i had a headache for 9 hours today |
| 06:20.14 | mrpull | ouch |
| 06:23.37 | mrpull | oooh... new firmware for nano. |
| 06:23.55 | maquis | mrpull: ?? |
| 06:24.12 | mrpull | my ipod has been flipping out the last 2 days |
| 06:24.28 | mrpull | i never thought the darn thing would need rebooting 2-3 times a week |
| 06:25.30 | maquis | ick |
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| 06:37.30 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo moooooooooo |
| 06:37.31 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:37.37 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo |
| 06:37.53 | maquis | fozzmoo: you need to leave and come back real quick :) |
| 06:40.23 | findlay | good night |
| 06:40.33 | maquis | findlay: gnight |
| 06:40.37 | findlay | good night maquis (: |
| 06:40.51 | findlay | see you tomorrow |
| 06:40.56 | maquis | you still smile upside-down |
| 06:41.00 | maquis | or backwards |
| 06:41.01 | findlay | (-: |
| 06:41.02 | maquis | or something |
| 06:41.05 | findlay | both |
| 06:41.27 | qbfreak | his face is on upside down? |
| 06:41.47 | maquis | yea |
| 06:41.55 | fozzmoo | /leave |
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| 06:42.19 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Redemption. |
| 06:42.23 | maquis | :) |
| 06:44.46 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 06:45.06 | maquis | ?? :( |
| 06:45.22 | maquis | who killed my onjoin? |
| 06:46.08 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis <action> huddles in the corner whimpering |
| 06:46.08 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 06:46.14 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
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| 06:47.19 | fozzmoo | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> kisses maquis and slips her the tongue |
| 06:47.19 | ibot | ok, fozzmoo |
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| 06:47.29 | maquis | Eeeeew |
| 06:47.32 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 06:48.05 | fozzmoo | Oh come now. It was a show of affection. |
| 06:48.24 | maquis | it's a bot... and supposedly it's a *she* |
| 06:48.27 | maquis | that's just *wrong* |
| 06:49.04 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. |
| 06:49.54 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo mooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:49.54 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:50.07 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb |
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| 06:51.28 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 06:51.29 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:52.34 | maquis | ~lart goozbach for a poor sense of direction (and distance) |
| 06:55.11 | fozzmoo | Poor gooz. |
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| 07:16.47 | qbfreak | you'd throw an innocent dog off a cliff because goozbach has a poor sense of direction? |
| 07:17.35 | qbfreak | how cruel |
| 07:18.20 | qbfreak | meh, ignore me, I'm in a bad mood which means I shouldn't be giving anyone a hard time |
| 07:18.23 | qbfreak | goodnight |
| 07:18.33 | maquis | qbfreak: haha |
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| 00:32.06 | maquis | ~convert in^3 to ft^3 |
| 00:37.14 | maquis | -lart stupid headaches that won't go away |
| 00:37.46 | maquis | brac: no... i don't want this headache to still exist in 3 weeks |
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| 00:48.06 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:17.08 | lars-ut | ~convert miles to furlongs |
| 01:21.40 | graphyx | Evening. |
| 01:21.57 | graphyx | ~convert catholics to Islam |
| 01:22.22 | graphyx | convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.32 | graphyx | ~convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.42 | graphyx | Ok thats good to know. |
| 01:22.56 | graphyx | ~convert 8000 feet^2 to acres |
| 01:24.45 | Mecworks | ~convert 0.183655 acres to barleycorn^2 |
| 01:26.46 | graphyx | ~define barleycorn |
| 01:27.45 | graphyx | ~spell hectacre |
| 01:28.39 | TimRiker | ~dict barleycorn |
| 01:28.52 | Mecworks | ~convert barleycorn to inches |
| 01:29.05 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.16 | graphyx | seems a strange unit to want to use though. |
| 01:29.21 | TimRiker | ~convert light years to barleycorns |
| 01:29.46 | graphyx | ~convert light years to picometers |
| 01:30.19 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to picometers/nanosecond |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | barleycorn |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.41 | Mecworks | (wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_unit |
| 01:31.08 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 pound to grains |
| 01:31.57 | TimRiker | convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:32.05 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:33.06 | graphyx | have fun. |
| 01:33.06 | TimRiker | http://utaug.org/ |
| 01:33.42 | Hhhhh | anybody here plays planeshift? |
| 01:33.59 | graphyx | I tried it out for a night just to see what it was like. |
| 01:34.03 | graphyx | Interesting, but needs content. ;) |
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| 01:58.25 | maquis | hey! |
| 01:58.43 | maquis | that's the 3rd time i've seen firefox crash in the past 3 weeks |
| 01:58.43 | graphyx | HEY! |
| 01:58.53 | graphyx | What version are you on? |
| 01:58.54 | maquis | it just randomly seg-faults |
| 01:59.02 | maquis | 1.5 |
| 01:59.03 | graphyx | Have you gotten 1.5 yet? |
| 01:59.07 | graphyx | ok. |
| 01:59.14 | maquis | it aint nice for it to crash on me |
| 01:59.21 | graphyx | nope. |
| 01:59.30 | graphyx | So maquis does it always rain this much in Seattle? |
| 01:59.32 | maquis | 42mb core file... |
| 01:59.53 | maquis | graphyx: well... it depends on the year and the time of year |
| 02:00.12 | graphyx | The newspaper states that they are going for a record consecutive days of rain currently. |
| 02:00.12 | maquis | i recall one year that we only got 4 days of sunshine all summer long |
| 02:00.33 | maquis | i also recall times that we had very little rain |
| 02:00.38 | maquis | it was raining particularly *hard* over break, i noticed... |
| 02:00.53 | maquis | we also had some great (beautiful) wind storms |
| 02:01.09 | graphyx | beautiful wind storms? How is a wind storm beautiful? |
| 02:01.23 | maquis | they just are... |
| 02:05.43 | dilvie | DJ Decibel is dropping a live DNB set right now on Knobtweakers Radio http://www.knobtweakers.net:8000/listen.pls |
| 02:05.58 | graphyx | DNB? |
| 02:06.02 | graphyx | ~dict DNB |
| 02:06.11 | synic | drum and base |
| 02:06.17 | graphyx | ahh. |
| 02:06.41 | dilvie | =) |
| 02:06.51 | dilvie | synic knows what's up =) |
| 02:07.07 | tensai | ibot: dnb is drum and base |
| 02:07.09 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 02:07.30 | dilvie | ~dict DNB |
| 02:07.39 | dilvie | ;) |
| 02:08.44 | maquis | ~dnb |
| 02:08.46 | ibot | well, dnb is drum and base |
| 02:09.18 | synic | dilvie: sounding pretty good... from what I can here intermittently. |
| 02:09.26 | synic | er.. hear. |
| 02:10.17 | dilvie | synic: you're on comcast, and having bandwidth problems? |
| 02:10.33 | synic | for about two weeks. |
| 02:10.37 | synic | it goes up and down |
| 02:10.47 | dilvie | synic: it's only streaming at 128k |
| 02:10.54 | dilvie | synic: oi, that sucks. ); |
| 02:11.12 | synic | IE, right now, I'm lagging quite a bit here on freenode |
| 02:12.57 | dilvie | synic: ); |
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| 02:53.05 | Lone_Wanderer | -bash: make: command not found |
| 03:02.54 | dilvie | uh |
| 03:02.59 | dilvie | no make? |
| 03:03.18 | synic | distro? |
| 03:03.49 | dilvie | which make |
| 03:04.00 | dilvie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ls /usr/bin | grep make |
| 03:04.46 | Lone_Wanderer | make_fakewindows, pkgmake, winemaker |
| 03:04.50 | synic | Lone_Wanderer: what distro? |
| 03:04.58 | Lone_Wanderer | how do you find the distro name again? I tried uname -a but it doesn't seem to say |
| 03:05.17 | synic | cat /etc/redhat-version or cat /etc/debian_release |
| 03:05.32 | Lone_Wanderer | SuSE |
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| 03:08.45 | synic | probably make isn't installed by default ... couldn't be hard to install |
| 03:08.45 | synic | you'll probably need to install gcc, bison, etc, too. |
| 03:09.26 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 03:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I joined #suse and they said to just use yast |
| 03:09.43 | dilvie | wtf is yast? |
| 03:10.04 | synic | suse's installer dealie. |
| 03:13.06 | dilvie | ah |
| 03:17.54 | graphyx | It's list apt-get |
| 03:17.56 | graphyx | fur suse. |
| 03:18.00 | graphyx | s/fur/for/ |
| 03:18.15 | graphyx | ibot, I can correct myself thanks. |
| 03:18.18 | ibot | You can correct myself thanks.? |
| 03:19.02 | graphyx | it's like apt-get for suse. |
| 03:19.24 | dilvie | ibot: I am he-man! |
| 03:19.25 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, he-man! |
| 03:19.35 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 03:19.36 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 03:19.51 | graphyx | -lart ibot |
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| 04:02.28 | maquis | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1910077,00.asp |
| 04:02.29 | brac | [Symantec Caught in Norton 'Rootkit' Flap] |
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| 04:03.10 | hans | ~disturb maquis |
| 04:03.45 | hans | We just watched the first four episodes of doctor who |
| 04:03.57 | hans | erin was not overly impressed with 1963 TV cinematography |
| 04:05.29 | maquis | hans: actually, the fact that symantec's antivirus software was found with a rootkit... apparently it's slightly old-news, but i just found out about it |
| 04:05.39 | maquis | ie, they were using a similar technique to what sony did |
| 04:05.54 | graphyx | hans: You seen the new season? |
| 04:05.58 | graphyx | last years I mean. |
| 04:06.05 | graphyx | I don't know when this years starts. |
| 04:07.07 | hans | oh yes. love it |
| 04:07.16 | hans | did you watch the christmas invasion one? |
| 04:07.20 | graphyx | Any idea when the new one starts? |
| 04:07.24 | hans | the new season starts in march |
| 04:07.27 | graphyx | Yes I did. on the 27th |
| 04:07.34 | hans | so what do you think of tennant |
| 04:07.59 | graphyx | I think he will do, |
| 04:08.09 | graphyx | but the first one was fantastic. |
| 04:08.22 | hans | yeah, he'll make a good doctor but I'll sure miss eccleston |
| 04:09.04 | hans | i downloaded the first ep. because I liked doctor who as a kid on and off, and he really sold you |
| 04:09.14 | hans | and erin was into it too, which pleasantly surprised me |
| 04:17.28 | graphyx | Erin being your wife? |
| 04:27.28 | hans | yeah |
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| 05:31.17 | mheath | Time to hit the rack. G'night, all. |
| 05:33.56 | levi | Any pluggers back from the meeting? |
| 05:34.29 | mheath | actually... |
| 05:34.33 | mheath | "If you were really serious about photography, you wouldn't be using 35mm in the first place. It's meant for beginners who don't need serious resolution and fine detail which is only available in larger formats. For those beginners, digital surpasses 35mm in every way (resolution, color rendition (infinitely malleable), convenience, and you can bring hundreds of pictures for printing to the photo stand on a single card)." |
| 05:34.38 | mheath | I love slashdot comments. |
| 05:35.11 | mheath | Yeah, digital resolution > optical resolution........morons. |
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| 05:48.35 | mheath | Still kind of sad. Nikon has been a bit of a pillar in the manual 35mm world, one of the few still manufacturing high end cameras while everyone else went to digital |
| 05:48.40 | mheath | No more, I guess :( |
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| 05:52.33 | xbmodder_ | I love OOP |
| 06:16.16 | mrpull | anybody go to plug or utaug tonight? |
| 06:16.28 | mrpull | i couldn't decide which to go to and ended up staying home :-/ |
| 06:18.55 | maquis | mrpull: that's a bad excuse |
| 06:19.10 | mrpull | maquis: true. did you go? |
| 06:19.29 | maquis | no |
| 06:19.45 | mrpull | and your excuse? school again? |
| 06:20.05 | maquis | that and the fact that i had a headache for 9 hours today |
| 06:20.14 | mrpull | ouch |
| 06:23.37 | mrpull | oooh... new firmware for nano. |
| 06:23.55 | maquis | mrpull: ?? |
| 06:24.12 | mrpull | my ipod has been flipping out the last 2 days |
| 06:24.28 | mrpull | i never thought the darn thing would need rebooting 2-3 times a week |
| 06:25.30 | maquis | ick |
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| 06:37.30 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo moooooooooo |
| 06:37.31 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:37.37 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo |
| 06:37.53 | maquis | fozzmoo: you need to leave and come back real quick :) |
| 06:40.23 | findlay | good night |
| 06:40.33 | maquis | findlay: gnight |
| 06:40.37 | findlay | good night maquis (: |
| 06:40.51 | findlay | see you tomorrow |
| 06:40.56 | maquis | you still smile upside-down |
| 06:41.00 | maquis | or backwards |
| 06:41.01 | findlay | (-: |
| 06:41.02 | maquis | or something |
| 06:41.05 | findlay | both |
| 06:41.27 | qbfreak | his face is on upside down? |
| 06:41.47 | maquis | yea |
| 06:41.55 | fozzmoo | /leave |
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| 06:42.19 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Redemption. |
| 06:42.23 | maquis | :) |
| 06:44.46 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 06:45.06 | maquis | ?? :( |
| 06:45.22 | maquis | who killed my onjoin? |
| 06:46.08 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis <action> huddles in the corner whimpering |
| 06:46.08 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 06:46.14 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
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| 06:47.19 | fozzmoo | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> kisses maquis and slips her the tongue |
| 06:47.19 | ibot | ok, fozzmoo |
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| 06:47.29 | maquis | Eeeeew |
| 06:47.32 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 06:48.05 | fozzmoo | Oh come now. It was a show of affection. |
| 06:48.24 | maquis | it's a bot... and supposedly it's a *she* |
| 06:48.27 | maquis | that's just *wrong* |
| 06:49.04 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. |
| 06:49.54 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo mooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:49.54 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:50.07 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb |
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| 06:51.28 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 06:51.29 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:52.34 | maquis | ~lart goozbach for a poor sense of direction (and distance) |
| 06:55.11 | fozzmoo | Poor gooz. |
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| 07:16.47 | qbfreak | you'd throw an innocent dog off a cliff because goozbach has a poor sense of direction? |
| 07:17.35 | qbfreak | how cruel |
| 07:18.20 | qbfreak | meh, ignore me, I'm in a bad mood which means I shouldn't be giving anyone a hard time |
| 07:18.23 | qbfreak | goodnight |
| 07:18.33 | maquis | qbfreak: haha |
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| 14:17.39 | graphyx | Morning. |
| 14:26.51 | emcnabb_ | Morning. |
| 14:29.06 | graphyx | ahh... it's the evil twin. |
| 14:35.39 | elg | looks cool, except "Spell check as you type." but I can hopefully turn that off |
| 14:40.14 | graphyx | From slashdot about NASA, 'Our personal view is that Linux, period, is only for the desktop. We don't run our main servers on Linux, because there are too many flaws in main Linux kernel.' |
| 14:40.17 | graphyx | Wow.../ |
| 14:40.25 | graphyx | Linux on the desktop, but not the server... |
| 14:51.12 | elg | hmmm. I checked TLS in thunderbird, quit, and started it again. it says the serverd doesn't accept LOGIN, you might need to use TLS or SSL |
| 14:51.43 | elg | (I run the server, I know it doesn't accept LOGIN except via TLS or SSL, which tells me TLS isn't working) |
| 14:52.12 | elg | the question is, is this a really bad error message for "I couldn't do TLS" or is this a failure to even try to do TLS before logging in... |
| 14:52.58 | graphyx | fire up ethereal and log the transaction and see for your self. |
| 14:53.10 | graphyx | For get verbose logging for thunderbird (Is there such a thing?) |
| 14:57.14 | graphyx | I would like to point out that even though some people don't care for mornings. The sun is rising earlier each day. |
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| 16:07.38 | harleypig | http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-01-10-unburiedwoman_x.htm?csp=34 |
| 16:07.40 | brac | [USATODAY.com - Woman's body sits in front of TV for 2 1/2 years] |
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| 16:41.04 | elg | harleypig: the most disturbing thing is how many one-sentence paragraphs are in that article. |
| 16:41.31 | sjansen | http://www.vatsaas.org/rtv/misc/GHS2002/bertrace/bertrace.aspx |
| 16:47.38 | harleypig | elg: Someone else noticed :] |
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| 16:50.46 | levi | Morning, #utah. |
| 16:51.55 | elg | so I hear |
| 16:52.43 | levi | I imagine it's morning in New Mexico, too. |
| 16:54.09 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 16:55.52 | Newsome | ~lart mornings |
| 16:56.04 | graphyx | I think you need something stronger.. |
| 16:56.06 | graphyx | -lart mornings |
| 16:56.15 | Newsome | better |
| 16:56.28 | graphyx | It is amazing how well coordinated those two larts were... |
| 16:59.20 | sjansen | No it isn't; hans has developed a serious IRC addiction but doesn't want to admit it so he created a second identity for himself (brac). |
| 16:59.52 | brac | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:00.29 | elg | ibot, say -roulette |
| 17:00.31 | ibot | -roulette |
| 17:00.32 | brac | ibot: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:00.33 | ibot | |ibot? |
| 17:01.05 | graphyx | is brac under hans's control? |
| 17:01.20 | brac | no |
| 17:01.36 | sjansen | brac == hans == elg == levi |
| 17:01.45 | findlay | ha |
| 17:01.51 | maquis | hahaha |
| 17:01.52 | graphyx | wow.. I knew about the hans == elg situation. |
| 17:01.53 | levi | ... |
| 17:02.00 | graphyx | Just not the levi connection. |
| 17:02.02 | levi | I am not hans! |
| 17:02.14 | maquis | levi: liar |
| 17:02.19 | sjansen | During his last trip to Utah, hans bumped off levi and assumed his identity. |
| 17:02.36 | elg | are you saying levi is my emacs alter-ego? |
| 17:02.40 | graphyx | That is quite the assumption. |
| 17:02.56 | findlay | that's funny because I always thought sjansen assumed maquis from time to time as a refreshing counterpoint |
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| 17:03.22 | elg | personally I think goozbach is ibot |
| 17:03.41 | graphyx | ~say I am not goozbach! |
| 17:03.42 | ibot | I am not goozbach! |
| 17:04.00 | graphyx | ibot, you have gotta stand up for yourself! |
| 17:05.56 | qbfreak | this is where a bot written in a client would be fun, I've been known to posses NightMAREbot from time to time to respond to players picking on him :) |
| 17:06.16 | graphyx | yes indeed. |
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| 17:22.34 | RyanE_ | you guys have *waaay* too much time on your hands. :) |
| 17:23.22 | graphyx | anyone really good with yum? |
| 17:23.50 | graphyx | If I do a yum -y update does that automatically update all the packages on the system or does it just prep for that? |
| 17:24.49 | jsmith | graphyx: It does all the updates |
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| 17:32.57 | maquis | hmmm... the fungicide worked.... |
| 17:33.08 | graphyx | I guess I was equating the yum -y update with an emerge sync |
| 17:33.11 | graphyx | but its not. |
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| 17:36.05 | maquis | graphyx: i vaguely recall being very confused by the fact that yum update was not like apt-get update (it's more like apt-get upgrade).... |
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| 17:45.05 | graphyx | maquis: So If I do a yum install libpri why would it be downlading Xfree86-xdm-0-4.3.0-97.EL3.hdr? |
| 17:45.17 | graphyx | I didn't think I needed xfree for libpri. |
| 17:50.50 | goozbach | I am not goobach!!! |
| 17:50.51 | sjansen | Yum always does the equivalent of an apt-get update or emerge sync. |
| 17:50.55 | goozbach | oh wait |
| 17:51.11 | graphyx | sjansen: Ok. |
| 17:51.14 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 17:51.21 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 17:51.38 | graphyx | any way to find a good mirror for yum? The one listed is taking forever. |
| 17:52.43 | Uncle_Jesse | ~google yum mirrors |
| 17:53.09 | Uncle_Jesse | does ibot's google not work any more? |
| 17:54.30 | graphyx | I was hoping for an autoselect type thing. |
| 17:58.53 | sjansen | http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000445.php |
| 18:03.10 | mrpull- | sjansen: that guy has some valid points, but the whole name change gripe took him down a few notches |
| 18:08.27 | goozbach | graphyx: google for yum fastest mirror plugin |
| 18:09.11 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet! http://www.badongo.com/vid.php?file=Transformers%20Movi%20%20e%20Test%20Footage__2006-01-09_tffootage.mpeg&s=black |
| 18:14.54 | mheath | wow |
| 18:14.54 | mheath | I e-mailed myself a password-protected ZIP file, as an attatchment |
| 18:15.03 | mheath | That made enigmail freak out.....WARNING: MESSAGE ENCRYPTED and such |
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| 00:32.06 | maquis | ~convert in^3 to ft^3 |
| 00:37.14 | maquis | -lart stupid headaches that won't go away |
| 00:37.46 | maquis | brac: no... i don't want this headache to still exist in 3 weeks |
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| 00:48.06 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:17.08 | lars-ut | ~convert miles to furlongs |
| 01:21.40 | graphyx | Evening. |
| 01:21.57 | graphyx | ~convert catholics to Islam |
| 01:22.22 | graphyx | convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.32 | graphyx | ~convert 1 acre to feet^2 |
| 01:22.42 | graphyx | Ok thats good to know. |
| 01:22.56 | graphyx | ~convert 8000 feet^2 to acres |
| 01:24.45 | Mecworks | ~convert 0.183655 acres to barleycorn^2 |
| 01:26.46 | graphyx | ~define barleycorn |
| 01:27.45 | graphyx | ~spell hectacre |
| 01:28.39 | TimRiker | ~dict barleycorn |
| 01:28.52 | Mecworks | ~convert barleycorn to inches |
| 01:29.05 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.16 | graphyx | seems a strange unit to want to use though. |
| 01:29.21 | TimRiker | ~convert light years to barleycorns |
| 01:29.46 | graphyx | ~convert light years to picometers |
| 01:30.19 | TimRiker | ~convert 60 miles/hour to picometers/nanosecond |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | barleycorn |
| 01:30.27 | Mecworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.41 | Mecworks | (wikipedia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_unit |
| 01:31.08 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 pound to grains |
| 01:31.57 | TimRiker | convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:32.05 | TimRiker | ~convert 1 liter to barleycorns^3 |
| 01:33.06 | graphyx | have fun. |
| 01:33.06 | TimRiker | http://utaug.org/ |
| 01:33.42 | Hhhhh | anybody here plays planeshift? |
| 01:33.59 | graphyx | I tried it out for a night just to see what it was like. |
| 01:34.03 | graphyx | Interesting, but needs content. ;) |
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| 01:58.25 | maquis | hey! |
| 01:58.43 | maquis | that's the 3rd time i've seen firefox crash in the past 3 weeks |
| 01:58.43 | graphyx | HEY! |
| 01:58.53 | graphyx | What version are you on? |
| 01:58.54 | maquis | it just randomly seg-faults |
| 01:59.02 | maquis | 1.5 |
| 01:59.03 | graphyx | Have you gotten 1.5 yet? |
| 01:59.07 | graphyx | ok. |
| 01:59.14 | maquis | it aint nice for it to crash on me |
| 01:59.21 | graphyx | nope. |
| 01:59.30 | graphyx | So maquis does it always rain this much in Seattle? |
| 01:59.32 | maquis | 42mb core file... |
| 01:59.53 | maquis | graphyx: well... it depends on the year and the time of year |
| 02:00.12 | graphyx | The newspaper states that they are going for a record consecutive days of rain currently. |
| 02:00.12 | maquis | i recall one year that we only got 4 days of sunshine all summer long |
| 02:00.33 | maquis | i also recall times that we had very little rain |
| 02:00.38 | maquis | it was raining particularly *hard* over break, i noticed... |
| 02:00.53 | maquis | we also had some great (beautiful) wind storms |
| 02:01.09 | graphyx | beautiful wind storms? How is a wind storm beautiful? |
| 02:01.23 | maquis | they just are... |
| 02:05.43 | dilvie | DJ Decibel is dropping a live DNB set right now on Knobtweakers Radio http://www.knobtweakers.net:8000/listen.pls |
| 02:05.58 | graphyx | DNB? |
| 02:06.02 | graphyx | ~dict DNB |
| 02:06.11 | synic | drum and base |
| 02:06.17 | graphyx | ahh. |
| 02:06.41 | dilvie | =) |
| 02:06.51 | dilvie | synic knows what's up =) |
| 02:07.07 | tensai | ibot: dnb is drum and base |
| 02:07.09 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 02:07.30 | dilvie | ~dict DNB |
| 02:07.39 | dilvie | ;) |
| 02:08.44 | maquis | ~dnb |
| 02:08.46 | ibot | well, dnb is drum and base |
| 02:09.18 | synic | dilvie: sounding pretty good... from what I can here intermittently. |
| 02:09.26 | synic | er.. hear. |
| 02:10.17 | dilvie | synic: you're on comcast, and having bandwidth problems? |
| 02:10.33 | synic | for about two weeks. |
| 02:10.37 | synic | it goes up and down |
| 02:10.47 | dilvie | synic: it's only streaming at 128k |
| 02:10.54 | dilvie | synic: oi, that sucks. ); |
| 02:11.12 | synic | IE, right now, I'm lagging quite a bit here on freenode |
| 02:12.57 | dilvie | synic: ); |
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| 02:53.05 | Lone_Wanderer | -bash: make: command not found |
| 03:02.54 | dilvie | uh |
| 03:02.59 | dilvie | no make? |
| 03:03.18 | synic | distro? |
| 03:03.49 | dilvie | which make |
| 03:04.00 | dilvie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ls /usr/bin | grep make |
| 03:04.46 | Lone_Wanderer | make_fakewindows, pkgmake, winemaker |
| 03:04.50 | synic | Lone_Wanderer: what distro? |
| 03:04.58 | Lone_Wanderer | how do you find the distro name again? I tried uname -a but it doesn't seem to say |
| 03:05.17 | synic | cat /etc/redhat-version or cat /etc/debian_release |
| 03:05.32 | Lone_Wanderer | SuSE |
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| 03:08.45 | synic | probably make isn't installed by default ... couldn't be hard to install |
| 03:08.45 | synic | you'll probably need to install gcc, bison, etc, too. |
| 03:09.26 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 03:09.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I joined #suse and they said to just use yast |
| 03:09.43 | dilvie | wtf is yast? |
| 03:10.04 | synic | suse's installer dealie. |
| 03:13.06 | dilvie | ah |
| 03:17.54 | graphyx | It's list apt-get |
| 03:17.56 | graphyx | fur suse. |
| 03:18.00 | graphyx | s/fur/for/ |
| 03:18.15 | graphyx | ibot, I can correct myself thanks. |
| 03:18.18 | ibot | You can correct myself thanks.? |
| 03:19.02 | graphyx | it's like apt-get for suse. |
| 03:19.24 | dilvie | ibot: I am he-man! |
| 03:19.25 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, he-man! |
| 03:19.35 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 03:19.36 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 03:19.51 | graphyx | -lart ibot |
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| 04:02.28 | maquis | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1910077,00.asp |
| 04:02.29 | brac | [Symantec Caught in Norton 'Rootkit' Flap] |
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| 04:03.10 | hans | ~disturb maquis |
| 04:03.45 | hans | We just watched the first four episodes of doctor who |
| 04:03.57 | hans | erin was not overly impressed with 1963 TV cinematography |
| 04:05.29 | maquis | hans: actually, the fact that symantec's antivirus software was found with a rootkit... apparently it's slightly old-news, but i just found out about it |
| 04:05.39 | maquis | ie, they were using a similar technique to what sony did |
| 04:05.54 | graphyx | hans: You seen the new season? |
| 04:05.58 | graphyx | last years I mean. |
| 04:06.05 | graphyx | I don't know when this years starts. |
| 04:07.07 | hans | oh yes. love it |
| 04:07.16 | hans | did you watch the christmas invasion one? |
| 04:07.20 | graphyx | Any idea when the new one starts? |
| 04:07.24 | hans | the new season starts in march |
| 04:07.27 | graphyx | Yes I did. on the 27th |
| 04:07.34 | hans | so what do you think of tennant |
| 04:07.59 | graphyx | I think he will do, |
| 04:08.09 | graphyx | but the first one was fantastic. |
| 04:08.22 | hans | yeah, he'll make a good doctor but I'll sure miss eccleston |
| 04:09.04 | hans | i downloaded the first ep. because I liked doctor who as a kid on and off, and he really sold you |
| 04:09.14 | hans | and erin was into it too, which pleasantly surprised me |
| 04:17.28 | graphyx | Erin being your wife? |
| 04:27.28 | hans | yeah |
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| 05:31.17 | mheath | Time to hit the rack. G'night, all. |
| 05:33.56 | levi | Any pluggers back from the meeting? |
| 05:34.29 | mheath | actually... |
| 05:34.33 | mheath | "If you were really serious about photography, you wouldn't be using 35mm in the first place. It's meant for beginners who don't need serious resolution and fine detail which is only available in larger formats. For those beginners, digital surpasses 35mm in every way (resolution, color rendition (infinitely malleable), convenience, and you can bring hundreds of pictures for printing to the photo stand on a single card)." |
| 05:34.38 | mheath | I love slashdot comments. |
| 05:35.11 | mheath | Yeah, digital resolution > optical resolution........morons. |
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| 05:48.35 | mheath | Still kind of sad. Nikon has been a bit of a pillar in the manual 35mm world, one of the few still manufacturing high end cameras while everyone else went to digital |
| 05:48.40 | mheath | No more, I guess :( |
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| 05:52.33 | xbmodder_ | I love OOP |
| 06:16.16 | mrpull | anybody go to plug or utaug tonight? |
| 06:16.28 | mrpull | i couldn't decide which to go to and ended up staying home :-/ |
| 06:18.55 | maquis | mrpull: that's a bad excuse |
| 06:19.10 | mrpull | maquis: true. did you go? |
| 06:19.29 | maquis | no |
| 06:19.45 | mrpull | and your excuse? school again? |
| 06:20.05 | maquis | that and the fact that i had a headache for 9 hours today |
| 06:20.14 | mrpull | ouch |
| 06:23.37 | mrpull | oooh... new firmware for nano. |
| 06:23.55 | maquis | mrpull: ?? |
| 06:24.12 | mrpull | my ipod has been flipping out the last 2 days |
| 06:24.28 | mrpull | i never thought the darn thing would need rebooting 2-3 times a week |
| 06:25.30 | maquis | ick |
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| 06:37.30 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo moooooooooo |
| 06:37.31 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:37.37 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo |
| 06:37.53 | maquis | fozzmoo: you need to leave and come back real quick :) |
| 06:40.23 | findlay | good night |
| 06:40.33 | maquis | findlay: gnight |
| 06:40.37 | findlay | good night maquis (: |
| 06:40.51 | findlay | see you tomorrow |
| 06:40.56 | maquis | you still smile upside-down |
| 06:41.00 | maquis | or backwards |
| 06:41.01 | findlay | (-: |
| 06:41.02 | maquis | or something |
| 06:41.05 | findlay | both |
| 06:41.27 | qbfreak | his face is on upside down? |
| 06:41.47 | maquis | yea |
| 06:41.55 | fozzmoo | /leave |
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| 06:42.19 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. Redemption. |
| 06:42.23 | maquis | :) |
| 06:44.46 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 06:45.06 | maquis | ?? :( |
| 06:45.22 | maquis | who killed my onjoin? |
| 06:46.08 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis <action> huddles in the corner whimpering |
| 06:46.08 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 06:46.14 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
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| 06:47.19 | fozzmoo | ~onjoin fozzmoo <action> kisses maquis and slips her the tongue |
| 06:47.19 | ibot | ok, fozzmoo |
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| 06:47.29 | maquis | Eeeeew |
| 06:47.32 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 06:48.05 | fozzmoo | Oh come now. It was a show of affection. |
| 06:48.24 | maquis | it's a bot... and supposedly it's a *she* |
| 06:48.27 | maquis | that's just *wrong* |
| 06:49.04 | fozzmoo | Ahhhh. |
| 06:49.54 | maquis | ~onjoin fozzmoo mooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:49.54 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:50.07 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb |
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| 06:51.28 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 06:51.29 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 06:52.34 | maquis | ~lart goozbach for a poor sense of direction (and distance) |
| 06:55.11 | fozzmoo | Poor gooz. |
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| 07:16.47 | qbfreak | you'd throw an innocent dog off a cliff because goozbach has a poor sense of direction? |
| 07:17.35 | qbfreak | how cruel |
| 07:18.20 | qbfreak | meh, ignore me, I'm in a bad mood which means I shouldn't be giving anyone a hard time |
| 07:18.23 | qbfreak | goodnight |
| 07:18.33 | maquis | qbfreak: haha |
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| 14:17.39 | graphyx | Morning. |
| 14:26.51 | emcnabb_ | Morning. |
| 14:29.06 | graphyx | ahh... it's the evil twin. |
| 14:35.39 | elg | looks cool, except "Spell check as you type." but I can hopefully turn that off |
| 14:40.14 | graphyx | From slashdot about NASA, 'Our personal view is that Linux, period, is only for the desktop. We don't run our main servers on Linux, because there are too many flaws in main Linux kernel.' |
| 14:40.17 | graphyx | Wow.../ |
| 14:40.25 | graphyx | Linux on the desktop, but not the server... |
| 14:51.12 | elg | hmmm. I checked TLS in thunderbird, quit, and started it again. it says the serverd doesn't accept LOGIN, you might need to use TLS or SSL |
| 14:51.43 | elg | (I run the server, I know it doesn't accept LOGIN except via TLS or SSL, which tells me TLS isn't working) |
| 14:52.12 | elg | the question is, is this a really bad error message for "I couldn't do TLS" or is this a failure to even try to do TLS before logging in... |
| 14:52.58 | graphyx | fire up ethereal and log the transaction and see for your self. |
| 14:53.10 | graphyx | For get verbose logging for thunderbird (Is there such a thing?) |
| 14:57.14 | graphyx | I would like to point out that even though some people don't care for mornings. The sun is rising earlier each day. |
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| 16:07.38 | harleypig | http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-01-10-unburiedwoman_x.htm?csp=34 |
| 16:07.40 | brac | [USATODAY.com - Woman's body sits in front of TV for 2 1/2 years] |
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| 16:41.04 | elg | harleypig: the most disturbing thing is how many one-sentence paragraphs are in that article. |
| 16:41.31 | sjansen | http://www.vatsaas.org/rtv/misc/GHS2002/bertrace/bertrace.aspx |
| 16:47.38 | harleypig | elg: Someone else noticed :] |
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| 16:50.46 | levi | Morning, #utah. |
| 16:51.55 | elg | so I hear |
| 16:52.43 | levi | I imagine it's morning in New Mexico, too. |
| 16:54.09 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 16:55.52 | Newsome | ~lart mornings |
| 16:56.04 | graphyx | I think you need something stronger.. |
| 16:56.06 | graphyx | -lart mornings |
| 16:56.15 | Newsome | better |
| 16:56.28 | graphyx | It is amazing how well coordinated those two larts were... |
| 16:59.20 | sjansen | No it isn't; hans has developed a serious IRC addiction but doesn't want to admit it so he created a second identity for himself (brac). |
| 16:59.52 | brac | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:00.29 | elg | ibot, say -roulette |
| 17:00.31 | ibot | -roulette |
| 17:00.32 | brac | ibot: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:00.33 | ibot | |ibot? |
| 17:01.05 | graphyx | is brac under hans's control? |
| 17:01.20 | brac | no |
| 17:01.36 | sjansen | brac == hans == elg == levi |
| 17:01.45 | findlay | ha |
| 17:01.51 | maquis | hahaha |
| 17:01.52 | graphyx | wow.. I knew about the hans == elg situation. |
| 17:01.53 | levi | ... |
| 17:02.00 | graphyx | Just not the levi connection. |
| 17:02.02 | levi | I am not hans! |
| 17:02.14 | maquis | levi: liar |
| 17:02.19 | sjansen | During his last trip to Utah, hans bumped off levi and assumed his identity. |
| 17:02.36 | elg | are you saying levi is my emacs alter-ego? |
| 17:02.40 | graphyx | That is quite the assumption. |
| 17:02.56 | findlay | that's funny because I always thought sjansen assumed maquis from time to time as a refreshing counterpoint |
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| 17:03.22 | elg | personally I think goozbach is ibot |
| 17:03.41 | graphyx | ~say I am not goozbach! |
| 17:03.42 | ibot | I am not goozbach! |
| 17:04.00 | graphyx | ibot, you have gotta stand up for yourself! |
| 17:05.56 | qbfreak | this is where a bot written in a client would be fun, I've been known to posses NightMAREbot from time to time to respond to players picking on him :) |
| 17:06.16 | graphyx | yes indeed. |
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| 17:22.34 | RyanE_ | you guys have *waaay* too much time on your hands. :) |
| 17:23.22 | graphyx | anyone really good with yum? |
| 17:23.50 | graphyx | If I do a yum -y update does that automatically update all the packages on the system or does it just prep for that? |
| 17:24.49 | jsmith | graphyx: It does all the updates |
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| 17:32.57 | maquis | hmmm... the fungicide worked.... |
| 17:33.08 | graphyx | I guess I was equating the yum -y update with an emerge sync |
| 17:33.11 | graphyx | but its not. |
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| 17:36.05 | maquis | graphyx: i vaguely recall being very confused by the fact that yum update was not like apt-get update (it's more like apt-get upgrade).... |
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| 17:45.05 | graphyx | maquis: So If I do a yum install libpri why would it be downlading Xfree86-xdm-0-4.3.0-97.EL3.hdr? |
| 17:45.17 | graphyx | I didn't think I needed xfree for libpri. |
| 17:50.50 | goozbach | I am not goobach!!! |
| 17:50.51 | sjansen | Yum always does the equivalent of an apt-get update or emerge sync. |
| 17:50.55 | goozbach | oh wait |
| 17:51.11 | graphyx | sjansen: Ok. |
| 17:51.14 | graphyx | Thanks. |
| 17:51.21 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 17:51.38 | graphyx | any way to find a good mirror for yum? The one listed is taking forever. |
| 17:52.43 | Uncle_Jesse | ~google yum mirrors |
| 17:53.09 | Uncle_Jesse | does ibot's google not work any more? |
| 17:54.30 | graphyx | I was hoping for an autoselect type thing. |
| 17:58.53 | sjansen | http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000445.php |
| 18:03.10 | mrpull- | sjansen: that guy has some valid points, but the whole name change gripe took him down a few notches |
| 18:08.27 | goozbach | graphyx: google for yum fastest mirror plugin |
| 18:09.11 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet! http://www.badongo.com/vid.php?file=Transformers%20Movi%20%20e%20Test%20Footage__2006-01-09_tffootage.mpeg&s=black |
| 18:14.54 | mheath | wow |
| 18:14.54 | mheath | I e-mailed myself a password-protected ZIP file, as an attatchment |
| 18:15.03 | mheath | That made enigmail freak out.....WARNING: MESSAGE ENCRYPTED and such |
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| 18:26.00 | goozbach | ~gravy sjansen |
| 18:26.01 | ibot | ACTION dips sjansen in country gravy and serves sjansen with Texas toast |
| 18:29.06 | emcnabb | yucky |
| 18:30.36 | sjansen | ibot: say hello $channel |
| 18:30.37 | ibot | hello $channel |
| 18:43.20 | sjansen | For the record, inserting an item into an array then checking the array to make sure it isn't already there and generating an error if it does isn't very effective. |
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| 18:46.23 | goozbach | http://www.livejournal.com/users/howardtayler/142605.html |
| 18:47.19 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you just find that, or have you been following him for a while? |
| 18:48.14 | goozbach | just found it |
| 18:48.44 | Jayce^ | off of my post? |
| 18:49.12 | goozbach | yup |
| 18:49.44 | Jayce^ | goozbach, his comic is a must-read |
| 18:50.14 | goozbach | yes |
| 18:50.28 | goozbach | it's one of my regulars |
| 18:56.30 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: what do you mean? |
| 18:57.39 | sjansen | insert item into array; raise error if item already in array; |
| 18:58.14 | sjansen | raise error if item already in array; insert item into array; <-- Generally more effective. |
| 18:59.03 | Jayce^ | pretty simple concept, but I can understand sjansen having a problem with it :) |
| 19:00.33 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - makes sense |
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| 19:49.21 | Newsome | ~lart yearly performance and development plans |
| 20:05.31 | elg | what's shiny? |
| 20:07.48 | qbfreak | at the moment, the new TWiki beta |
| 20:12.50 | maquis | graphyx: no idea |
| 20:23.17 | sjansen | http://www.rousette.org.uk/blog/archives/2006/01/12/hyperdrive/ <-- /me suddenly wishes he lived in the UK |
| 20:30.27 | sjansen | ~haha maquis |
| 20:30.28 | ibot | ACTION beats maquis about the head with the ha ha bat |
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| 20:54.20 | graphyx | maquis: sjansen said it was the equivalent of an emerge sync. Happens each time yum is run. |
| 21:10.35 | findlay | which is *really* annoying |
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| 21:15.56 | Tene | yeah |
| 21:16.02 | Tene | there's an option to tell it to use the cache |
| 21:32.04 | mheath | mheath's political prediction of 2006: We'll go to war with Iran, within 18 months. |
| 21:41.55 | mrpull- | mheath: couldn't that be 2007 too? |
| 21:44.26 | harleypig | mrpull-: gotta cover the bases |
| 21:46.37 | mheath | mrpull-: the prediction was made in 2006. |
| 21:48.16 | mrpull- | mheath: i'll give you that. |
| 21:51.28 | mheath | Iraq: "You have weapons!"...."No, just some peaceful Nuclear technology..."..."We don't believe you, you're going to attack!" -> USA gets the UN Security Council -> Security Council Reports that the weapons are harmless, and none of the USAs claims were realistic -> The USA says they don't believe them -> The USA invades |
| 21:51.43 | mheath | Iran (so far): "You have weapons!"...."No, just some peaceful Nuclear technology..."..."We don't believe you, you're going to attack!" -> USA gets the UN Security Council -> |
| 21:52.33 | dilvie | I don't think we're going to war with Iran. |
| 21:53.01 | dilvie | I think the US has already stretched its military resources to the limit. |
| 21:53.50 | mheath | dilvie: So? |
| 21:53.55 | Hhhhh | I don't think the Us will go to war with Iran, at least not for a while |
| 21:54.08 | mheath | This cracks me up |
| 21:54.20 | mheath | Before the Iraq war, I was the only one telling everyone that we'd be going to war eventually |
| 21:54.29 | mheath | No one believed me |
| 21:54.46 | dilvie | mheath: Our military resources were not stretched to the breaking point then. |
| 21:55.14 | mheath | dilvie: Ever heard of a draft? They tried to do one a couple of years ago for the Iraq war; they nearly succeede.d |
| 21:55.20 | mheath | *succeeded. |
| 21:55.59 | Jayce^ | uh, no, not even close mheath |
| 21:56.00 | dilvie | mheath: a draft at this point would be political suicide.. the administration has been swearing up and down that they have no intention of drafting soldiers. |
| 21:56.33 | dilvie | mheath: I think you've been buying too much into moveon.org's messages. |
| 21:56.34 | Jayce^ | the only person to even try starting a draft was a specific democrat, and the motion was shot down immediately |
| 21:56.37 | mheath | They tried another bill shortly after that for another draft (which also removed college deferment and added women), that one failed more |
| 21:56.54 | dilvie | Frankly, they lie -- or at least stretch the truth so far as to make liars out of them. |
| 21:57.14 | mheath | dilvie: "political suicide"? |
| 21:57.19 | mheath | They're in their second term in office! |
| 21:57.20 | Jayce^ | besides the fact that the military has exceeded recruitement goals the last 7 months |
| 21:57.25 | mheath | They don't _care_ about political suicide! |
| 21:57.30 | dilvie | mheath: Congress does. |
| 21:57.46 | Jayce^ | mheath, oh they definately do, it's called "the party".. since we're stuck only having two, it carries weight |
| 21:57.51 | mheath | Jayce^: O.o Where in the world are you getting those figures from? |
| 21:58.01 | mheath | Look at the Army's recruiting goals |
| 21:58.08 | Jayce^ | mheath, from the military.. they announce them every month |
| 21:58.10 | mheath | I did a two week training with a USN recruiter here in Utah |
| 21:58.59 | dilvie | If they're exceeding recruiting goals, why are they calling independent reservists in their 40's to Iraq? |
| 21:59.12 | dilvie | if they're exceeding their recruiting goals, their recruiting goals are retarded. |
| 22:00.15 | Jayce^ | dilvie, 2005 they fell short most of the year, the last 7 months has been making up for that, and they are getting them ready |
| 22:00.42 | dilvie | Jayce^: I see. |
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| 22:01.41 | dilvie | Jayce^: Most of these independent reservists are basically starting their military training from scratch. They've been engaged in civilian life for 15 - 20 years. They basically need basic training all over again. |
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| 22:02.13 | dilvie | And they're much older, many of them overweight.. they'd be better off calling in younger, new recruits... |
| 22:02.26 | dilvie | so why do they need them, if they're exceeding recruiting goals? |
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| 22:03.11 | dilvie | basically need basic training. I kill me. ;) |
| 22:03.16 | Jayce^ | that varies, though supposedly the reservists are being called less.. |
| 22:03.30 | mheath | Haha, thats a lie. |
| 22:03.30 | Jayce^ | still, they are more trained than the new recruits... |
| 22:03.48 | dilvie | The fact is, if they're being called at all, that means that the situation is still pretty desparate. |
| 22:04.28 | dilvie | Our military resources are stretched to their limits. If we went to war with Iran, they'd NEED a draft. |
| 22:04.37 | dilvie | and that would be political suicide. |
| 22:04.47 | mheath | Meh, not really |
| 22:04.50 | dilvie | I don't see it hapenning. |
| 22:04.51 | Jayce^ | dilvie, agreed there |
| 22:05.08 | mheath | It's patriotic! It's for our defense! We need it to protect the world from tyranny! ;-) |
| 22:05.14 | Jayce^ | we have lots of forces we *could* use, but won't move |
| 22:05.39 | Jayce^ | mheath, with Iran, I wouldn't argue it all that much :) but let's get the Europeans to really prove that their way is working ... |
| 22:05.43 | dilvie | mheath: even if it's patriotic, the administration has been responding to this draft hysteria with promises that we don't need a draft, and that they have no intention of drafting soldiers. |
| 22:06.13 | Bradipo | http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance66.html <== warning controversial |
| 22:06.19 | brac | [Do They Think ItÂ’s Worth It? by Laurence M. Vance] |
| 22:06.31 | dilvie | mheath: Another HUGE lie like that would likely break many loyalties to the Republican party. |
| 22:06.35 | mheath | Jayce^: By the way, the Army is still undermanned, and reservists are being called up just as much as ever. |
| 22:08.07 | Jayce^ | dilvie, just remember, the president can't call a draft... plain and simple |
| 22:08.19 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Can't or shouldn't? :-) |
| 22:08.45 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, Congress can, the president cant' |
| 22:09.07 | Bradipo | Just like Congress can declare war but the president can't? |
| 22:09.49 | dilvie | heh |
| 22:09.49 | Jayce^ | *that* is the lame-@#$ gulf of tonkin resolution, and subsequent addendums :) |
| 22:10.32 | dilvie | This president has this congress in his pocket. Apparently, he can do whatever the hell he wants. |
| 22:10.42 | mheath | Wow, my perception of the military has changed a lot |
| 22:10.57 | mheath | I used to see the "what basic training is like" videos on goarmy.com and think they were scary, and that they yelled a lot |
| 22:11.34 | mheath | Now I can see that, compared to my own experience, they're showing the 'nice' things. The DI's being nice. |
| 22:11.57 | dilvie | He had half of congress pushing for the nuclar option, which would essentially strip congress of their power to object to judicial nominations in a single party administration. |
| 22:12.15 | dilvie | bunch of short-seighted retards. |
| 22:12.40 | Jayce^ | personally, I think that was party folks other than the president.. |
| 22:12.45 | Jayce^ | but yes, very short-sighted |
| 22:12.58 | dilvie | Hatch was all over it. |
| 22:13.04 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 22:13.20 | dilvie | huzzah for utah's representation, eh? |
| 22:13.38 | Jayce^ | heh, he's just happy 'cause if he gets reelected, he's in charge of the money next term |
| 22:13.57 | dilvie | Like Utah is really going to say "give us less power to influence our federal government, please!" |
| 22:14.17 | dilvie | Utah is traditionally in favor of more state powers and reduced federal powers. |
| 22:14.26 | Jayce^ | the way it should be |
| 22:15.05 | Bradipo | For some good discussion of how the role of the president has changed over time: http://www.mises.org/multimedia/mp3/Woods/Woods9.mp3 and http://www.mises.org/multimedia/mp3/Woods/Woods10.mp3 |
| 22:15.14 | dilvie | agreed.. so why was Hatch pushing for the nuclear option, when it clearly would go against the grain of state opinion in the long run? |
| 22:15.28 | Bradipo | dilvie: yeah, we are a federation of sovereign states, not one nationalist beast. |
| 22:15.49 | Bradipo | dilvie: Because Hatch has become a sell-out maybe? |
| 22:16.17 | Jayce^ | when in recent history has hatch done anything for the state |
| 22:16.26 | Bradipo | Or maybe Hatch has been assimilated into the welfare-warfare state. |
| 22:16.57 | dilvie | well, he's done plenty for big business in the state. |
| 22:17.07 | dilvie | but he's done more for big business in the state of California (Hollywood) |
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| 22:17.35 | dilvie | well, for their short-seighted interests, anyway. |
| 22:17.55 | dilvie | why do so few people care about long-term sustainability? |
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| 22:18.25 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, a federation of states == a single external API (federal government) and 50 internal ones :) |
| 22:18.59 | Jayce^ | dilvie, you ask that when the average human cares more about what they want *now* than caring about the future... it's just a reflection of the people |
| 22:19.04 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I was wondering about all that this morning... What's the point of having state lines if we are nationalists? |
| 22:19.05 | Jayce^ | playing to greed |
| 22:19.29 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, that discussion just takes us back to the Adams/Jefferson debates... |
| 22:19.37 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Greed or just a higher time preference, possibly influenced by the inflation setting in from the printing presses. |
| 22:19.50 | Jayce^ | I think both had good points, but neither was totally correct |
| 22:19.51 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Yes, it does, and indeed I was listening ot a discussion around that. :-) |
| 22:20.01 | dilvie | Jayce^: Aren't republicans supposed to be concerned about the future? Aren't they supposed to be fiscally conservative, and responsible for maintaining the long-term health and welfare of government? |
| 22:20.04 | bonez39 | is 'ooweb' ok for simple web page editing? what do you all like to use to edit a page? |
| 22:20.52 | Jayce^ | dilvie, classic 'republic' values state so, and a few still practice that, but many try to spend to get votes, like most other government folks |
| 22:21.12 | dilvie | I'm really dissapointed in this Republican administration. Everything Republicans should stand for seems to have been tossed out the window, and all the Republican voters seem to be duped by the spin. |
| 22:22.11 | Jayce^ | dilvie, IMHO, it's was designed as a "smart" move.. they got in power closely, so they began to support all the higher spending issues that their opponents liked to try and appease folks across the board |
| 22:22.19 | Jayce^ | if that makes senses the way I meant |
| 22:22.25 | Bradipo | dilvie: Republicans, Democrats, what's the difference? Neither of them are for minimal government anymore. If Republicans were for less government, why don't they repeal all the crap the Democrats enact? |
| 22:22.26 | dilvie | We got all the bad things that go along with Republican administrations, and few of the good things. |
| 22:22.40 | dilvie | Bradipo: Agreed. |
| 22:23.01 | Jayce^ | dilvie, we also got the welfare state bloat of the "democrat" to go with it |
| 22:23.12 | dilvie | Jayce^: Exactly. |
| 22:23.31 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, because once a welfare payout is in place, it's suicide to try and remove it |
| 22:24.13 | Jayce^ | think about things like SS, what it was at first, and what it's grown into, various farm subsidies, etc.. |
| 22:24.30 | Jayce^ | no longer are they special cases, they are institutions unto themselves.. |
| 22:24.38 | Jayce^ | friggen cancer.... grows like it too |
| 22:24.41 | Bradipo | Jayce^: You mean its political suicide... :-) |
| 22:24.44 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 22:25.08 | Bradipo | Yeah, political integrity is a tough sell anymore... |
| 22:25.22 | Jayce^ | of course, with some people out there, it might not be just political if you repealed their favorite graft |
| 22:26.42 | Jayce^ | in the same vein, in the alito hearning, Feinstein was tirading on Roe vs. Wade, and claimed it was vitally important because "women all over America have come to depend on it." |
| 22:27.00 | Jayce^ | on that same token, we must continue every form of dole because "people expect it" |
| 22:27.01 | Jayce^ | grrr |
| 22:27.44 | dilvie | Abortion related maternity deaths declined sharply after Roe V Wade |
| 22:27.45 | bonez39 | where was abortion when Feinstein's mother was preg...no..I shouldn't say it..... |
| 22:27.59 | Jayce^ | of course, I know Bradipo has similar feelings on free markets /etc |
| 22:28.02 | dilvie | the coat-hanger crowd has a point. |
| 22:28.35 | dilvie | most abortions are the result of teen pregnancies |
| 22:28.38 | Jayce^ | dilvie, I was trying to comment more on the concept of, once the government enact something, it can never go away |
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| 22:28.56 | dilvie | in Utah, it's illegal for planned parenthood to offer help to teenage girls without their parent's concent |
| 22:29.06 | dilvie | teen pregnancy could be reduced if that law were repealed |
| 22:29.26 | Jayce^ | although, I do think that is a state *right*... |
| 22:29.29 | dilvie | thus, abortions could be reduced, without prohibition, and the very real dangers associated with it |
| 22:30.36 | Jayce^ | of course, the same justification struck down a bill making it illegal to take a minor across state borders to do said abortion without parental consent.. |
| 22:30.37 | dilvie | Jayce^: I would tend to agree with you, except that many states had abortion policies that were agrevating the problem, rather than solving it. |
| 22:30.57 | Jayce^ | even though it's supposed to be illegal to take a minor across borders without permission *anyways* |
| 22:31.09 | bonez39 | dilvie, teen pregnancy would be reduced if everyone were honest and open about kids having sex...they are going to......why so many here turn a blind eye and say "let's not talk about it, and maybe it won't happen" is beyond me |
| 22:31.24 | dilvie | bonez: agreed |
| 22:31.31 | bonez39 | information is what is lacking, with kids.....with women....with wherever the problems are |
| 22:31.40 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/reality/2004/02/abortion-and-unplanned-pregnancy.html |
| 22:33.33 | dilvie | A good family planning program without the parantal concent law could lead to a noteable reduction in abortions |
| 22:33.42 | dilvie | but people don't care about real solutions |
| 22:33.46 | dilvie | they care about popularity |
| 22:34.04 | dilvie | it's popular in Utah to want to ban abortions, rather than tackle the problems that lead to abortions. |
| 22:36.15 | Bradipo | dilvie: You mean all the teaching of abstinence isn't the right approach for tackling it? |
| 22:36.17 | dilvie | I'm morally opposed to abortions. If my wife chose to get an abortion, I would be devastated. However, I cannot, in good conscience, support policy that doesn't work, and actually leads to an increase in maternity deaths, and a whole lot of political animosity. |
| 22:36.29 | Bradipo | Or are you referring to the discussions that happen in public schools about sex education? |
| 22:37.20 | dilvie | Sure, teach that the only safe sex is no sex, but also teach that there are birth control options, and give teens easy access to educational materials and family planning clinics. |
| 22:39.06 | dilvie | there is, after all, a huge difference between sex with a condom, and sex without a condom. As long as teens are experimenting with sex, the least we can do is to encourage them to be more responsible about it, and protect themselves. |
| 22:39.09 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Yeah, nothing like combatting against political ``tradition'' |
| 22:39.31 | Bradipo | Gotta stick with the status quo and not rock the boat. |
| 22:39.59 | dilvie | hehe |
| 22:42.15 | Jayce^ | and spending money gets you votes next election |
| 22:43.57 | sjansen | http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/85754484/ |
| 22:46.32 | Bradipo | ``If I were a rich man...'' |
| 22:48.32 | Jayce^ | "Tradition..." |
| 23:00.45 | Uncle_Jesse | "Sunrise...Sunset..." |
| 23:00.49 | Bradipo | Jayce^: Oh, yeah, ``Tradition...'' :-) |
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| 23:13.31 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
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| 23:44.23 | xbmodder_lappy | <sarcasm>how come us linuxers miss out on all this cool rootkit technology</sarcasm> |
| 23:49.40 | mrpull-_ | xbmodder_lappy: i always thought rootkits were only a *nix thing until the media started calling the Windows flaws rootkits |
| 23:53.12 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-_, they were the one of the only _evil_ things on *nix systems |
| 23:53.27 | xbmodder_lappy | which virus scanners were needed for |
| 23:54.45 | xbmodder_lappy | which is why Linux viruses are usually Exploits (programmer flaws), backdoors (obvious), or rootkits. |