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| 00:02.10 | maquis | this is a tst |
| 00:02.15 | maquis | s/tst/test/ |
| 00:02.18 | maquis | sweet |
| 00:02.24 | findlay | whatever |
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| 00:03.10 | Weg1 | oi |
| 00:03.38 | Wegg | anyone awake? |
| 00:03.48 | findlay | ~welcome Wegg |
| 00:03.50 | ibot | Good to see you, Wegg! |
| 00:04.10 | Wegg | your all in Utah huh? |
| 00:04.20 | Wegg | anyone. . . in Orem? |
| 00:04.40 | maquis | not all... but most people live in utah (or used to live in utah, or sometimes live in utah) |
| 00:04.44 | findlay | I saw an Orem once, like yesterday |
| 00:04.51 | findlay | it looked like Orem |
| 00:05.21 | Wegg | anyone familiar with Metronet? |
| 00:05.27 | findlay | don't only wierd people live in Orem? |
| 00:05.29 | findlay | nope |
| 00:05.46 | tensai | findlay: s/Orem/Utah/ and yes |
| 00:06.15 | Wegg | tensai I. . . hate it |
| 00:06.37 | Wegg | Their tech support is the worst I have ever had to put up with for. . . well. . . anything. |
| 00:06.51 | findlay | Wegg: do you have utopia? |
| 00:06.56 | Wegg | yea |
| 00:07.00 | Wegg | its so horrid |
| 00:07.01 | Wegg | :-( |
| 00:07.02 | findlay | go with xmission |
| 00:07.20 | Wegg | I have had to keep my old Quest DSL for 3 months now so I'm paying double for internet. |
| 00:07.25 | Wegg | Well I'm not paying. |
| 00:07.30 | Wegg | I refuse to pay. |
| 00:07.35 | maquis | i'd heard that utopia was really good |
| 00:07.44 | Wegg | And they seem to not give a flying fart. |
| 00:07.50 | findlay | xmission is the best isp in the world |
| 00:07.54 | maquis | although, i haven't heard of anybody using metronet with utopia |
| 00:07.58 | Wegg | It was down for 3 days just before christmas |
| 00:08.03 | maquis | all of it was xmission or mstar |
| 00:08.06 | Wegg | they apparently had a virus in all their switches. |
| 00:08.17 | maquis | Wegg: you use unix/linux? |
| 00:08.33 | Wegg | My file server is linux |
| 00:08.38 | maquis | coo |
| 00:08.40 | maquis | what distro? |
| 00:08.55 | Wegg | Mandrake on one and . . . |
| 00:09.01 | Wegg | what is that one. |
| 00:09.05 | Wegg | Oh ubuntu |
| 00:09.32 | Wegg | I don't know what to do. . . |
| 00:09.37 | maquis | ah... i haven't used either for much |
| 00:09.53 | maquis | Wegg: for your metronet problems... switch to xmission? |
| 00:10.01 | findlay | Wegg: use xmission (: |
| 00:10.02 | Wegg | I need static IP addresses for my machines because I run all this network rendering stuff for my work. |
| 00:10.13 | findlay | ~sing xmission |
| 00:10.40 | Wegg | But the only way I can use this metronet is if I switch my router to a dhcp server and to dynamic which. . . fights with my OTHER router and. . . |
| 00:10.50 | maquis | Wegg: use xmission |
| 00:10.56 | Wegg | Its not the isp |
| 00:11.00 | Wegg | its my setup |
| 00:11.29 | maquis | it sure sounded like the isp... what with 3 day outages and such |
| 00:11.52 | Wegg | yea that did suck. |
| 00:12.12 | maquis | i don't know much about networking and such, but i don't see why you're having problems with your setup... |
| 00:12.15 | Wegg | Ok full story. Been using CSolutions and DSL for a zillion years now. I host my own websites. Love it.. . never had a problem. |
| 00:12.27 | maquis | k |
| 00:12.34 | Wegg | Then this fiber comes around. . . thought it would kick ass. . . ordered some static IPs from them and tried to switch. |
| 00:12.37 | findlay | storytime |
| 00:12.40 | Wegg | their tech support was HORRIBLE! |
| 00:12.45 | Wegg | I couldn't figure out anything. |
| 00:12.46 | maquis | isp problem |
| 00:13.20 | Wegg | so had to go back to my old DSL setup but still had statics with Metronet. |
| 00:13.33 | maquis | k |
| 00:13.50 | Wegg | So the Zyxel router I have. . . its WAN was one of the static IPs from Metronet but you have to pay $12 for that. |
| 00:14.11 | Wegg | I knew I couldn't host using their crappy crap so I canceled that. |
| 00:14.15 | bigdog_ut | Wegg xmission rocks...i run 2 static off them |
| 00:14.17 | Wegg | Now. . . I can't get on the bloody internet at all. |
| 00:14.40 | maquis | Wegg: this all looks like problems that can be resolved with a good ISP |
| 00:14.43 | Wegg | Well. . . not through utopia. |
| 00:14.47 | maquis | but that's just my opinion |
| 00:14.58 | bigdog_ut | xmission support utopia too |
| 00:15.12 | Wegg | I'd have to pay $100 to switch |
| 00:15.15 | bigdog_ut | which i heard really kicks |
| 00:15.22 | Wegg | it doesn't |
| 00:15.25 | Wegg | it kicks you in the ass |
| 00:15.33 | Wegg | down all the bloody time |
| 00:15.36 | Wegg | up down up down up down. |
| 00:16.17 | Wegg | I am tempted to pay someone to come out and just fix me up right and give me a lesson on networking. |
| 00:16.31 | maquis | the 100$ sucks... but it sounds like it's better than dealing with this sucky isp you've already got |
| 00:16.34 | Wegg | I thought I knew what I was doing but this has just killed me. |
| 00:16.39 | maquis | and xmission's supposed to be really cool |
| 00:16.53 | maquis | i wish i had xmission... |
| 00:17.06 | Wegg | you think I could pay one of them to come out and hook me up right? |
| 00:17.54 | Wegg | where are you moving? |
| 00:18.08 | maquis | heading back to school |
| 00:19.13 | Wegg | any of you have a Zyxel router? |
| 00:19.44 | Wegg | whats that? |
| 00:19.48 | tensai | ~strace |
| 00:19.49 | ibot | i heard strace is a system-calls tracer. spits out a useful trace to stderr. To trace the command 'cmd with params' use: 'strace cmd with params' |
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| 00:30.57 | maquis | what software can't you get? |
| 00:31.24 | Wegg | Lightwave, Messiah, Darktree, After Effects etc. |
| 00:31.31 | tensai | with dhclient you can specify "server-name" to force a certain dhcp server |
| 00:31.37 | tensai | I doubt it's possible with windows |
| 00:32.23 | Wegg | If I . . . get a dynamic IP from my ISP. . . can I give a static IP to the LAN on the router? |
| 00:33.45 | maquis | ok... somehow, i accidentally told firefox not to ask what to do with mp3 files, and to just do the default action... |
| 00:33.48 | maquis | stupid |
| 00:34.31 | maquis | it's not in the download actions in firefox preferences |
| 00:34.37 | maquis | so... |
| 00:34.38 | maquis | hmmm |
| 00:35.52 | Wegg | how do I find my computer's MAC address? |
| 00:36.03 | maquis | start -> run -> cmd |
| 00:36.04 | tensai | windows? ipconfig /a |
| 00:36.08 | maquis | ifconfig \a, i think |
| 00:36.12 | maquis | no |
| 00:36.16 | maquis | ipconfig \a |
| 00:36.23 | tensai | still wrong |
| 00:36.30 | maquis | tensai: what'd i mis this time |
| 00:36.33 | tensai | ipconfig /a |
| 00:36.34 | maquis | s/mis/miss |
| 00:36.41 | maquis | doh |
| 00:36.43 | tensai | just like I said the first time :) |
| 00:36.51 | maquis | oh |
| 00:36.54 | maquis | didn't see that |
| 00:37.20 | Wegg | ipconfig /all |
| 00:37.21 | Wegg | that did it |
| 00:37.27 | maquis | ah |
| 00:37.31 | tensai | is it /all? whoops |
| 00:37.39 | maquis | :-P |
| 00:37.54 | tensai | it's a pathetic excuse for a command line |
| 00:38.18 | maquis | yeah |
| 00:38.19 | findlay | I always use msys when I have to use windows |
| 00:38.34 | tensai | ~lart zsh |
| 00:38.44 | maquis | tensai: what do you use? |
| 00:38.46 | findlay | ~make zsh |
| 00:38.48 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `zsh'. Stop. |
| 00:38.48 | maquis | bash? |
| 00:38.49 | tensai | bash, bash, bash! |
| 00:41.08 | findlay | If you think your shell is cool, look at fish: |
| 00:41.10 | findlay | http://roo.no-ip.org/fish/screenshots.html |
| 00:41.29 | maquis | mudsh seems pretty cool... but i don't think i'd actually use it |
| 00:42.47 | maquis | http://www.xirium.com/tech/mud-shell/example/index.html |
| 00:42.49 | brac | [>] |
| 00:44.01 | maquis | brac: erm... thanks? |
| 00:44.01 | brac | no clue |
| 00:44.27 | tensai | if psh, the perl shell, actually worked I might use that |
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| 00:46.08 | maquis | ~whimper |
| 00:46.09 | ibot | ACTION huddles in the corner, whimpering softly. |
| 00:48.29 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 01:30.58 | maquis | -lsty ECS |
| 01:31.30 | tensai | maquis: lsty, huh? |
| 01:31.50 | maquis | tensai: ??? |
| 01:31.57 | maquis | oh |
| 01:32.05 | maquis | -lart ECS |
| 01:32.07 | tensai | don't ask me. you're the one who said it. |
| 01:32.22 | maquis | thta would explain why i had so much trouble typing ECS the first time.. |
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| 01:32.54 | maquis | silly off-by-one errors |
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| 01:33.05 | tensai | stupid xchat |
| 01:33.20 | maquis | xchat got you poked with a rusty nail.... |
| 01:47.49 | findlay | stupid broken packages |
| 01:48.17 | findlay | don't they know they should have been designed from the ground up to be able to compile on gcc-4 series? |
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| 03:07.36 | vontrapp | what's a good resource for gstreamer element methods and constants and all such |
| 03:55.56 | tensai | maquis: :) |
| 03:56.03 | tensai | it's just funner that way |
| 04:10.01 | findlay | why hasn't nobody written a letter to me? |
| 04:10.18 | findlay | I'm on like 20 mailing lists and haven't gotten a single post today |
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| 04:51.52 | QBFreak | now thats just cruel |
| 05:01.19 | findlay | I |
| 05:01.22 | findlay | I did it all |
| 05:01.32 | maquis | ~beat findlay |
| 05:01.34 | ibot | ACTION beats findlay with a large stick. |
| 05:01.38 | QBFreak | wasn't me, I forgot the syntax for the on join stuff :) |
| 05:01.38 | findlay | whatever it was that was done, I did it |
| 05:01.49 | TimRiker | ibot: +help onjoin |
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| 06:53.59 | mheath | Wow. Another "Windows is better than Linux" article |
| 06:54.22 | mheath | Is it just me, or are the only people who actually care about these articles the ones who are dedicated to Linux? |
| 06:55.18 | QBFreak | I think it depends on what you intend to use it for and your target environment (what sort of boxes do they have already, what apps do they need, etc) |
| 06:55.59 | QBFreak | I would lean towards linux being 'better' in a very general sense though |
| 07:39.13 | QBFreak | as in going crazy? |
| 07:39.24 | maquis | erm.. no |
| 07:39.32 | maquis | curling up in the corner to sleep |
| 07:39.51 | QBFreak | heh ok |
| 07:39.53 | QBFreak | 'night |
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| 10:25.21 | emcnabb | time to get some sleep |
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| 18:24.46 | mheath | bah |
| 19:17.16 | mheath | Wow |
| 19:17.25 | mheath | I actually know where the term "tattle-tale" comes from now :P |
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| 19:30.40 | hans | but you're not going to share? |
| 19:32.07 | QBFreak | and risk that we be as enlightened as he? |
| 19:33.01 | hans | perhaps he's afraid of becoming a tattle tale. is that recursive? |
| 19:33.20 | QBFreak | hmm could be |
| 19:38.56 | mheath | It's a means of indicating when a line (rope) is at it's maximum tension |
| 19:39.18 | mheath | Take a slack line. You know how much that line should be able to stretch before breaking |
| 19:39.53 | mheath | Based on how stretchy it is, you cut a shorter line (the tattle tale line) and cut it to a certain length |
| 19:40.13 | mheath | You tie both ends of the tattle-tale line to the line, close enough together that it's rather slack |
| 19:40.38 | mheath | As the line gets pulled tighter and stretches, the amount of slack in the tattle-tale line will lessen |
| 19:41.01 | mheath | When it's tight (parallel to the line), you know the line is stretched as much as it can be |
| 19:41.11 | mheath | When the tattle-tale line breaks, you know you're at a critical point. |
| 19:41.51 | hans | i see. this is the etymology? |
| 19:42.38 | roscivs | where'd you get this information from, mheath? |
| 19:42.41 | roscivs | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=tattle |
| 19:42.48 | brac | [Online Etymology Dictionary] |
| 19:43.02 | mheath | roscivs: USN NAVEDTRA 14067. |
| 19:43.06 | hans | sounds like an application of tattletale rather than an etymology. but it's cool |
| 19:43.20 | hans | USN dates back to 1581? |
| 19:43.22 | roscivs | ah, i see |
| 19:44.04 | roscivs | i wonder how the word tattletale got applied to rope? seems like a strange usage of it. |
| 19:44.12 | mheath | roscivs: "tattletale formed in Eng. 1888, probably patterned on telltale (1548)." |
| 19:44.23 | hans | the little rope is tattling on the big one |
| 19:44.33 | mheath | Tattletale Line was a Navy term before 1888. |
| 19:44.34 | hans | before the big one breaks |
| 19:45.03 | roscivs | i see |
| 19:45.12 | hans | really? you should probably submit a correction to etymonline then |
| 19:45.42 | roscivs | indeed ... I can't find any sources that old online |
| 19:45.56 | hans | maybe it was a tattle line then |
| 19:46.17 | hans | tattle itself, in that sense, is from 1581 according to etymonline |
| 19:46.33 | roscivs | from Middle English tatelen, according to bartelby |
| 19:46.37 | roscivs | http://www.bartleby.com/61/84/T0058400.html |
| 19:46.40 | brac | [tattle. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.] |
| 19:47.50 | mheath | I love how old Navy terminology is =P |
| 19:47.58 | mheath | "admiral" is from circa 1205 |
| 19:47.59 | roscivs | So did the navy call the line a "tattletale" before 1888? and if so, where did they get the "tale" part from? because it's a rope? |
| 19:48.12 | mheath | roscivs: I don't know where they got it from. |
| 19:48.15 | roscivs | or was "tattletale" in non-navy usage before 1888? |
| 19:49.26 | hans | 1888 is a pretty specific date. too bad they don't tell us how it was formed in England |
| 19:49.49 | mheath | I'm not sure I understand how this etymonline's search works |
| 19:49.51 | roscivs | weirdness |
| 19:50.04 | roscivs | I found a naval terminology jargon/slang faq |
| 19:50.13 | mheath | I searched for "cover", and after a couple entries for "cover" it came up with........"stegosaurus". |
| 19:50.25 | roscivs | but it says that Tattletale is "AGI" (Auxiliary, Intelligence Gathering) |
| 19:50.34 | hans | pigeon is from 1211 |
| 19:51.13 | mheath | hans: we came up with a word to describe those annoying, nasty birds shortly after they started irritating us. :-P |
| 19:52.04 | hans | 1211, from O.Fr. pijon "young dove," |
| 19:52.07 | roscivs | hmph. furthermore, googling for "tattle tale rope" or "tattle tale line" get me nothing. |
| 19:52.27 | hans | funny how nobody thinks of doves as annoying nasty birds |
| 19:52.55 | hans | when (in our common collective consciousness) the only difference is a dove is white and in stained glass. |
| 19:53.56 | roscivs | aha |
| 19:54.02 | mheath | roscivs: search for "14067 tattle-tale line" |
| 19:54.04 | roscivs | "tattle-tale cord" finds stuff |
| 19:54.35 | roscivs | that does too. |
| 19:56.11 | roscivs | Hm. Can't find any mention of how old that usage is, unfortunately. |
| 19:58.51 | roscivs | So, onto a non-tattling subject ... |
| 19:58.51 | roscivs | Say I want to create a fake-file of the /dev/ type, i.e. my program just sits there reading from this file, and anybody else can write to it and it just goes straight to my program. |
| 19:58.58 | roscivs | Is this called a named pipe? or is that something different? |
| 19:59.15 | hans | named pipe, i.e. FIFO |
| 19:59.34 | hans | strictly, not of the /dev/ type at all |
| 19:59.52 | roscivs | hm hm, I see. |
| 20:00.05 | roscivs | So does the C pipe() function create these files? |
| 20:00.06 | hans | but that's how it works, and that's likely what matters, eh? :) |
| 20:00.13 | hans | no pipe creates unnamed pipes |
| 20:00.22 | roscivs | hm. how do I create named ones? |
| 20:00.32 | roscivs | mkfifo() ? |
| 20:00.48 | hans | yup |
| 20:01.03 | hans | or mkfifo(1) at the shell |
| 20:01.22 | hans | that is, read mkfifo(1) and mkfifo(2) |
| 20:01.50 | roscivs | if I mkfifo as a C command, will the file disappear once the program closes? or does it stay around forever? |
| 20:02.03 | hans | sticks around |
| 20:02.32 | hans | if there's nobody reading the fifo, writers may block |
| 20:11.17 | roscivs | is there something wrong with "if (!fd) exit(1);" ? |
| 20:11.32 | roscivs | gcc complains: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function exit |
| 20:14.26 | mheath | Gah |
| 20:14.46 | mheath | This training manual references chapter 613 of the Naval Ships' Technical Manual |
| 20:14.58 | mheath | I never want to see a book that has > 613 chapters |
| 20:33.47 | roscivs | arghgh. this is so frustrating! |
| 20:35.18 | roscivs | Okay. So, I have this program that reads from a named pipe, and whenever it gets some character sent through this named pipe, it sends a keystroke to the currently focused window using XTestFakeKeyEvent(). |
| 20:35.56 | roscivs | When, from the command-line, I do: "echo x > /my/named/pipe" the keystroke is immediately sent to the focused window. No problems. |
| 20:36.31 | roscivs | Now, I've set my window manager to, on a certain CTRL-key sequence, run "echo x > /my/named/pipe". |
| 20:37.41 | roscivs | When I push the CTRL-key sequence, the character is written to the named pipe, my program recognizes that it was and logs it, but instead of a keystroke being sent to the focused window, the cursor in the focused window just blinks. |
| 20:38.36 | roscivs | However, if inside my program I "sleep(1)" in between receiving the character in the named pipe and calling XTestFakeKeyEvent(), everything works perfectly in both situations. |
| 20:44.58 | roscivs | Weird. |
| 20:45.18 | roscivs | If I move the sleep(1) value down to around usleep(60000), it no worky. |
| 20:45.27 | roscivs | move it to usleep(90000), everything worky. |
| 20:45.40 | roscivs | move it to usleep(75000) and it works about half the time. |
| 20:49.56 | roscivs | crap. I think the window manager is stealing focus when I press the hotkey for a brief moment in time to execute the "echo" statement. |
| 20:50.19 | roscivs | so if I wait until it returns focus to the window, all is good. |
| 21:16.07 | mheath | http://www.navalseacadetstucson.com/ojectives.html <---That's the stuff we covered at my training |
| 21:16.08 | brac | [ojectives] |
| 21:20.26 | mheath | http://www.navalseacadetstucson.com/fb2.jpg <---I believe thats me, crouched down by the firepit (working on *digging* the firepit), but I'm not sure |
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| 21:52.05 | roscivs | anybody here used a digital camcorder with linux? |
| 21:55.12 | levi | Nope, but I just got my new one working with OS X. |
| 21:55.40 | roscivs | mostly I'm wondering what kind of video formats they come across as, |
| 21:55.49 | roscivs | both codec and resolution, |
| 21:56.08 | levi | I've no idea, I just plug it in and launch iMovie. |
| 21:56.10 | roscivs | and how difficult it is to get it to come across under linux. (although if it's easy to do with OS X that might be sufficient.) |
| 21:58.03 | levi | I imagine it's fairly standard. Do you have firewire? |
| 21:58.48 | roscivs | on at least one of my computers, yes |
| 21:58.56 | roscivs | is yours a miniDV camcorder? |
| 21:59.00 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:59.14 | levi | Time to watch a show, BBL. |
| 21:59.39 | roscivs | so, if I'm understanding this stuff correctly, miniDV is a cassette format that stores what is basically an AVI encoded using the DV codec. |
| 22:00.14 | roscivs | And DV is a format similar to MJPEG, where every frame is a keyframe. |
| 22:00.50 | roscivs | And DV resolutions is ... hm ... 720x534? |
| 22:46.49 | QBFreak | so...my dad got new cordless phones, a pair that shares a base, and apparently there is a service where you can download ringtones and such to the phone, but they don't have a single 'normal' ringer |
| 22:47.07 | QBFreak | what is it with phones and music? I want a phone that rings for crying out loud |
| 22:48.06 | QBFreak | which brings up an interesting point about cell phones and ring tones, if it happens in public is it considered a public performance that must be paid for? :) |
| 23:40.00 | hans | or because the net enjoyment is negative, must the music industry pay you the negative royalties? |
| 23:40.15 | QBFreak | now that is a good idea |
| 23:50.23 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=dilvie@c-67-166-122-154.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:51.55 | dilvie | hi |
| 23:52.05 | dilvie | when is the next geek dinner? |
| 23:52.12 | dilvie | maybe I should check the wiki, eh? |
| 23:52.26 | QBFreak | ooo you have a feeding time? |
