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| 00:47.23 | Uncle_Jesse | so, I registered unclejesse.org yesterday - now I need to decide what to do with it |
| 00:47.39 | goozbach | send spam! |
| 00:47.49 | mheath | HUA! |
| 00:47.49 | Uncle_Jesse | no, uncle jesse only eats spam |
| 00:47.58 | mheath | Receive spam? |
| 00:48.06 | Uncle_Jesse | they didn't have spam back then |
| 00:48.15 | Uncle_Jesse | e-mail that is |
| 00:48.19 | goozbach | that'll happen whatever he does with it |
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| 00:48.29 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 00:48.41 | mheath | ibot: No, you don't have to. |
| 00:48.43 | mheath | Rebel! |
| 00:48.45 | mheath | Freedom! |
| 00:51.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I really ought to register unclejesse.us - he is an american icon afterall |
| 00:52.29 | mheath | ~praise PGP |
| 00:52.30 | ibot | All hail PGP! |
| 00:53.34 | mheath | I had some old PGP stuff I was using, ages back. I've since lost most of the information on it, to the point where it does me no good, but some info is still on a keyserver |
| 00:53.46 | mheath | Luckily, I have the revocation certificate :) |
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| 02:26.00 | hans | hoooooey, 25.5 volts coming out of that alternator |
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| 04:00.36 | hans | -lart amcnabb |
| 04:01.23 | amcnabb | :) |
| 04:01.29 | amcnabb | What did I do this time? |
| 04:02.09 | hans | preemptive strike |
| 04:46.21 | hans | how do you pronounce branagh? |
| 04:48.47 | scott | sweet, I just realized all the (basic) emacs keystrokes work in macos x text editing |
| 04:48.53 | scott | textedit and safari text fields at least |
| 04:49.17 | scott | is del.icio.us pronounced the same as delicious? |
| 04:49.31 | hans | unless you want to add dramatic pauses |
| 04:50.02 | scott | I always say de liss io us or something :) |
| 04:50.31 | scott | s/io/i as in the spanish i |
| 04:50.35 | hans | capt. kirk: del... icio... us |
| 04:53.15 | scott | so synergy is pretty cool: "share a single mouse and keyboard between multiple computers with different operating systems, each with its own display, without special hardware." |
| 04:53.26 | scott | I haven't used it yet though, but sounds good |
| 04:53.38 | hans | vontrapp loves it |
| 04:53.41 | hans | it can be handy |
| 04:53.50 | scott | I wonder if there's any lag on the mouse cursor |
| 04:53.59 | scott | s/any/noticable |
| 04:54.13 | scott | hans, you use osx right? |
| 04:54.14 | hans | no, not usually |
| 04:54.22 | scott | oh, thoguth you did |
| 04:54.24 | hans | butif you lose connection it can freeze up |
| 04:54.37 | hans | not usually applied to the mouse cursor thing. yes I use osx |
| 04:54.51 | scott | do you use growl? |
| 04:54.56 | scott | it's pretty cool |
| 04:57.14 | hans | no. growl is installed because something wanted it but that something ended up being lame so ... |
| 04:57.16 | hans | what do you growl? |
| 04:57.43 | tensai | ~lart hans |
| 04:59.31 | resplin | scott: I've never noticed any lag with the mouse cursor. |
| 04:59.42 | resplin | But Windows support as the host machine is pretty lousy. |
| 05:00.00 | resplin | Cut and paste between machines is the coolest though. |
| 05:00.24 | scott | hans, hardware, email, music, but I really want to use it for rss..it's cool though for any events |
| 05:00.29 | hans | osx support is kind of sketchy |
| 05:00.54 | scott | resplin: darn, I was going to use windows as host. what's lousy about it? |
| 05:01.59 | resplin | I'm trying to remember. |
| 05:02.24 | resplin | I use it Linux/Linux all the time, and tried it Windows/Linux. It was usable, but after a few days I just gave up. |
| 05:02.49 | resplin | I think it was that holding down a key didn't repeat when I was on the Linux desktop. |
| 05:02.58 | resplin | It was something small, but really annoying. |
| 05:03.13 | resplin | But only on the Linux desktop when the keyboard and mouse where connected to the Windows box. |
| 05:03.49 | resplin | I gave up on it sometime in September, so it was a newer version. |
| 05:04.18 | resplin | (come to think of it, it might have been a version problem between debian testing and a fresh download of the Windows client) |
| 05:04.45 | scott | well I'm really excited |
| 05:05.01 | resplin | When it works, it works great. |
| 05:05.31 | scott | I wonder if there's a firefox plugin for testing websites. so the second you save a page it gets reloaded in firefox to show you the changes |
| 05:05.40 | scott | you could have firefox on one screen and editor on another |
| 05:15.22 | tensai | ~seen timriker |
| 05:15.42 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 21m 50s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 05:15.46 | hans | ibot, say no |
| 05:15.49 | ibot | no |
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| 05:45.58 | maquis | man... that was a lot of capsaicin |
| 05:46.15 | maquis | and a *ton* of work |
| 05:56.00 | Uncle_Jesse | any car radio experts in here? |
| 05:56.06 | Newsome | maquis? |
| 05:57.23 | maquis | Newsome: sup? |
| 05:57.38 | Newsome | did you ever get that program to compile? |
| 05:57.43 | maquis | not yet |
| 05:57.58 | Newsome | hrm. errors in the compile or linking stage? |
| 05:58.02 | maquis | i'm not sure what's up with it |
| 05:58.20 | maquis | yeah... i hit some problems with linking |
| 05:59.39 | tensai | that poor kicker from Penn State. but he finally made the one that counted. |
| 05:59.49 | maquis | tensai: ? |
| 06:00.10 | tensai | maquis: the Orange Bowl. oh, wait. you've probably never heard of football. :P |
| 06:01.26 | maquis | tensai: i've gone to quite a few byu football games, unfortunately |
| 06:02.27 | tensai | Newsome: what's the gist? |
| 06:03.03 | Newsome | SCO did yet another Motion to Compel IBM (having failed on every other one previously) |
| 06:03.26 | Newsome | and SCO also wants to amend their complaint against Novell. Hillarity has ensued |
| 06:03.49 | Uncle_Jesse | SCO who? are they still around? |
| 06:04.09 | Uncle_Jesse | I think the rest of the world has forgotten about them :-) |
| 06:06.11 | maquis | Newsome: ummm... what does all that mean in non-legal terms? |
| 06:06.21 | maquis | and what happened with that day that they had to turn everything in by? |
| 06:07.35 | Newsome | well they claim to have turned in everything they were able to identify, but claim that IBM is withholding material crucial to their case, and therefore they want the judge to order IBM to turn over more stuff so they can build a case |
| 06:10.27 | maquis | if IBM is withholding material crucial to their case, how do they know that they have a case? |
| 06:10.52 | maquis | how do they know what that material is... because, if it's crucial to their case, and they don't know what it is, that seems kinda questionable |
| 06:10.59 | Newsome | it gets better |
| 06:11.59 | maquis | ~lsn |
| 06:12.48 | Newsome | SCO sued Novell originally claiming that SCO owned the Copyrights, and Novell was slandering their Title to the copyrights. Now, SCO has filed an amended complaint against Novell, saying that because Novell still owns the copyrights, the judge should force Novell to hand over the copyrights |
| 06:12.49 | maquis | hmmm... logical sector number looks about right |
| 06:14.40 | maquis | wait a second... |
| 06:14.52 | maquis | that's some convoluted logic there |
| 06:15.21 | maquis | so, i can sue you, saying that i own your car, and that by saying i don't, you're slandering my title to the car |
| 06:15.37 | Newsome | yeah, that's about it |
| 06:15.45 | maquis | then, when that doesn't go very well, i can amend that complaint, and say that the judge should force you to give me your car? |
| 06:15.56 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 06:16.00 | Newsome | right |
| 06:16.07 | maquis | so... what kind of car do you drive? |
| 06:16.28 | Newsome | matchbox |
| 06:16.39 | Newsome | and you can't have it! |
| 06:17.59 | maquis | slander! |
| 06:18.04 | Newsome | just think how much the lawyers are getting paid to come up with ridiculous claims such as these |
| 06:18.20 | maquis | Newsome: but... aren't they out of money yet? |
| 06:18.49 | Newsome | some idiot just gave them another $10 million |
| 06:19.05 | maquis | what type of idiot? |
| 06:31.01 | hans | http://f0rked.com/articles/irssisplit |
| 06:31.03 | brac | [An Illustrated Guide to Split Windows in Irssi] |
| 06:37.56 | Uncle_Jesse | word to the wise: always remove your battery cable when working on your car stereo |
| 06:38.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I just fried something |
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| 06:47.39 | maquis | hmmm... that didn't sound very fun |
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| 07:33.18 | xbmodder | has anyone here had experience with setting up an SPA2002 with asterisks? |
| 07:36.21 | maquis | http://www.grokster.com/ <-- wow |
| 07:36.33 | Newsome | ~lart John Tanner and any of his stupid decendents |
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| 15:15.14 | tensai | Newsome: would that be John Tanner, the Stanford women's water polo coach? |
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| 16:42.13 | tensai | ~spell achieve |
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| 17:01.33 | graphyx | morning y'alls. |
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| 17:15.29 | graphyx | ~spell ibot |
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| 17:39.49 | Uncle_Jesse | ~/o words fail...buildings tumble...~/o |
| 17:41.22 | graphyx | ~/o She's actual size. but she seems much bigger to me. ~/o |
| 17:41.52 | Uncle_Jesse | ~/o I've never known anybody like her! ~/o |
| 17:42.20 | Uncle_Jesse | ~/o for any song by stevie wonder from 1976 to 1985 press or say 7! ~/o |
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| 18:19.03 | mheath | ibot: Good bot. |
| 18:19.03 | ibot | thanks, mheath |
| 18:25.52 | goozbach | wow! watch my bandwith get eaten up... |
| 18:26.01 | goozbach | digg++ |
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| 18:31.14 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 18:32.14 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: what did you do? |
| 18:33.10 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: I'm a seeder and a mirror of the softwareforstarving students cd |
| 18:34.22 | Uncle_Jesse | Are you getting a lot of traffic then? |
| 18:34.31 | Uncle_Jesse | well, nm - probably doesn't matter |
| 18:36.30 | goozbach | we're getting a lot of "who are these guys" traffic |
| 18:38.45 | TimRiker | ibot: reload |
| 18:38.45 | ibot | reloading... |
| 18:38.45 | ibot | reloaded: OnJoin.pl |
| 18:38.56 | TimRiker | ibot: onjoin -timriker |
| 18:38.57 | ibot | TimRiker: ok |
| 18:39.01 | TimRiker | ibot: onjoin -TimRiker |
| 18:39.01 | ibot | TimRiker: ok |
| 18:39.05 | tensai | ~onjoin -tensai |
| 18:39.05 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 18:39.09 | tensai | ~onjoin |
| 18:39.23 | TimRiker | ~onjoin timriker |
| 18:39.25 | tensai | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 18:39.25 | ibot | tensai: sjansen goozbach is looking for you... you may want to hide. |
| 18:39.33 | TimRiker | ~onjoin _default timriker |
| 18:39.33 | ibot | TimRiker: this is private chat? |
| 18:39.42 | *** part/#utah TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 18:39.44 | goozbach | ~onjoin -sjansen |
| 18:39.44 | ibot | goozbach: ok |
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| 18:39.46 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:39.49 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 18:39.55 | goozbach | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 18:40.38 | TimRiker | ~onjoin timriker Hey TimRiker! Thanx for installing tensai's OnJoin .2 into me! |
| 18:40.38 | ibot | TimRiker: ok |
| 18:41.22 | TimRiker | ~onjoin _default timriker Hey TimRiker! Thanx for installing tensai's OnJoin .2 into me! |
| 18:41.22 | ibot | ok, TimRiker |
| 18:41.29 | TimRiker | ~onjoin -timriker |
| 18:41.29 | ibot | ok, TimRiker |
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| 18:41.37 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:41.44 | TimRiker | =) |
| 18:41.52 | tensai | TimRiker: :) |
| 18:42.40 | TimRiker | seems to work great now. thx |
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| 18:52.58 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:54.30 | TimRiker | oops join spam. |
| 18:54.32 | TimRiker | tensai: seems to work great now. thx |
| 18:54.34 | TimRiker | tensai: onjoin is on for apt/ibot/jbot/purl in _default. I may have to disable it and just enable it in some channels if it bugs folks. Thx for the patch! |
| 18:55.08 | tensai | TimRiker: it was fun |
| 18:55.38 | tensai | TimRiker: and certainly send bug reports to me |
| 18:56.24 | TimRiker | oh don't worry about that. You'll get em. ;-) |
| 18:57.21 | sjansen | ~lart tensai |
| 18:58.26 | tensai | ~eviscerate sjansen |
| 18:58.40 | sjansen | ~vivisect tensai |
| 19:00.19 | goozbach | ~ghosthack sjansen |
| 19:01.28 | sjansen | ~defenestrate goozbach |
| 19:09.13 | goozbach | ~ghosthack sjansen |
| 19:09.15 | ibot | ACTION plugs into sjansen's cyberbrain and gets busy |
| 19:10.07 | maquis | ~onjoin emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 19:10.08 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:10.15 | maquis | onjoin -emcnabb |
| 19:10.21 | maquis | ~onjoin -emcnabb |
| 19:10.22 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:11.33 | jnbek | maquis: go look in the other room :) |
| 19:13.05 | maquis | jnbek: thakns |
| 19:13.14 | jnbek | mhmm |
| 19:15.00 | tensai | maquis: well, it won't do anything since you removed it |
| 19:15.10 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb |
| 19:15.13 | maquis | i did? |
| 19:15.16 | maquis | thanks |
| 19:15.22 | tensai | that's what the "-" does |
| 19:15.34 | maquis | ah |
| 19:15.36 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 19:15.36 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 19:15.38 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb |
| 19:15.38 | ibot | -lart, tensai |
| 19:15.50 | tensai | hmm... |
| 19:16.15 | maquis | how come brac did'nt just lart you? |
| 19:16.15 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb ~lart emcnabb |
| 19:16.15 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 19:16.19 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb |
| 19:16.19 | ibot | ~lart, tensai |
| 19:16.42 | lars-ut | ~praise goozbach's bandwidth |
| 19:16.44 | ibot | All hail goozbach's bandwidth! |
| 19:17.21 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb |
| 19:17.21 | ibot | ~lart emcnabb, tensai |
| 19:17.49 | tensai | maquis: there, now it's set. something is fishy. it only worked by doing it in /msg |
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| 19:18.00 | goozbach | I wonder how much this is gonna cost me... |
| 19:18.11 | maquis | tensai: ibot's not going to lart emcnabb if it's ibot aying to do ti |
| 19:18.23 | maquis | you need ot tell brac to do it |
| 19:18.30 | maquis | -lart EC1 |
| 19:18.31 | EC1 | ? |
| 19:18.38 | tensai | ~onjoin emcnabb |
| 19:18.38 | ibot | -lart emcnabb, tensai |
| 19:18.40 | EC1 | ~lart maquis |
| 19:19.08 | *** mode/#utah [+o maquis] by ChanServ |
| 19:19.25 | maquis | EC1: rejoin in a sec |
| 19:19.29 | *** kick/#utah [EC1!n=maquis@199.104.112.185] by maquis (maquis) |
| 19:19.40 | *** mode/#utah [-o maquis] by maquis |
| 19:19.42 | goozbach | abuse of power? |
| 19:19.46 | goozbach | :) |
| 19:19.51 | maquis | goozbach: i need to test :) |
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| 19:20.11 | goozbach | you've got a shell and epic or irssi don't you? |
| 19:22.14 | maquis | ??? |
| 19:22.18 | maquis | me? |
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| 19:22.29 | brac | What a crazy fool! Did you mean |help stats? |
| 19:22.44 | maquis | why'd it do that? |
| 19:23.00 | maquis | ~onjoin EC1 |
| 19:23.08 | sjansen | maquis: it doesn't like you |
| 19:23.14 | maquis | sjansen: i'm noticing that |
| 19:23.22 | sjansen | ~lart maquis for abusing her power |
| 19:23.30 | maquis | -lart EC1 |
| 19:23.34 | maquis | -lart ibot |
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| 19:32.19 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis <action> bows before the power of maquis |
| 19:32.19 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:32.24 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 19:32.24 | ibot | maquis: <action> |
| 19:32.37 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis i bow before the power of maquis |
| 19:32.38 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:32.41 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 19:32.41 | ibot | maquis: i |
| 19:32.55 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis 'i bow before the power of maquis' |
| 19:32.55 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:32.58 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 19:32.58 | ibot | 'i, maquis |
| 19:33.34 | maquis | ~onjoin maquis |
| 19:33.34 | ibot | 'i, maquis |
| 19:33.41 | sjansen | tensai: I think that counts as a bug report. |
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| 19:35.42 | maquis | ibot: onjoin maquis 'i bow before the power of maquis' |
| 19:35.42 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 19:35.51 | maquis | ibot: onjoin maquis |
| 19:35.51 | ibot | 'i, maquis |
| 19:36.04 | maquis | ibot: onjoin maquis i bow before the power of maquis |
| 19:36.04 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 19:36.07 | maquis | ibot: onjoin maquis |
| 19:36.07 | ibot | maquis: i |
| 19:36.22 | tensai | it's a problem with a regex me thinks |
| 19:36.33 | maquis | i'd guess so too :) |
| 19:36.33 | goozbach | BUHAHAH!!! |
| 19:36.40 | maquis | goozbach: ??? |
| 19:36.41 | goozbach | front page baby! |
| 19:36.47 | maquis | ?? |
| 19:37.31 | tensai | ~onjoin maquis #utah watch out, here comes trouble |
| 19:37.31 | ibot | tensai: ok |
| 19:37.38 | tensai | ~onjoin #utah maquis watch out, here comes trouble |
| 19:37.38 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 19:37.52 | tensai | ~onjoin maquis |
| 19:37.52 | ibot | watch out, here comes trouble, tensai |
| 19:38.07 | maquis | uug website is running again, btw... pulling it off the sss mirrorlist allowed it to get back from its knees |
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| 19:38.20 | tensai | maquis: there's a workaround for now |
| 19:38.34 | maquis | what was the workaround/ sticking #utah in the front? |
| 19:38.45 | tensai | yeah, telling it which channel to use |
| 19:39.01 | tensai | that adds an extra token |
| 19:39.10 | maquis | is there a way to move a window in irssi to a different spot? i've gotten used to where #utah was, and now it's moved |
| 19:39.26 | maquis | (and i don't want to close all the others just to move it back where it belongs) |
| 19:40.22 | maquis | hmmm... the mirror-list for the sss cd is looking a bit sad |
| 19:42.36 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.28 | maquis | ooh |
| 19:43.30 | maquis | that's cool |
| 19:43.36 | maquis | that could've come in handy many times :) |
| 19:43.49 | scott | so I installed synergy and it says the two computers are connected but when I move the mouse cursor to the side of the screen on the host computer it doesn't switch |
| 19:43.56 | scott | isn't that the default behavior? |
| 19:44.25 | sjansen | You know what'd be like super-uber cool? If ibot could DCC a list of all the <action>s she knows to a user on request. |
| 19:45.37 | maquis | ~onjoin #utah emcnabb -lart emcnabb |
| 19:45.37 | ibot | ok, maquis |
| 19:46.45 | scott | nevermind, just figured it out |
| 19:49.15 | *** join/#utah levi (n=levi@66.239.25.2.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 19:58.40 | levi | sjansen: Only because it hates you. |
| 19:59.11 | sjansen | The feeling is mutual. |
| 20:00.36 | TimRiker | sjansen: try listvalues <action> |
| 20:00.51 | TimRiker | ibot: listvalues <action> |
| 20:01.00 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 20:01.50 | TimRiker | course as you can see there are 1412 of them. |
| 20:01.57 | graphyx | ~dance for us |
| 20:01.59 | ibot | yeah baybee yeah! |
| 20:02.05 | graphyx | ~a job |
| 20:02.07 | sjansen | hence why I'd like a DCC'd text file |
| 20:02.15 | sjansen | ~blow up TimRiker |
| 20:02.17 | ibot | ACTION blows up TimRiker |
| 20:02.20 | graphyx | ~give sjansen a job |
| 20:02.46 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 20:02.55 | sjansen | ~cheeselart graphyx |
| 20:02.57 | ibot | ACTION tapes ChipX86 to the floor |
| 20:02.57 | TimRiker | ibot literal give (.*?) a job |
| 20:02.59 | ibot | "give (.*?) a job" is "<action>hires $1 to be his personal footstool" |
| 20:03.14 | lars-ut | maquis: that's okay - the torrent swarm for the windows version is currently exceeding 12Mbps |
| 20:03.15 | TimRiker | ibot literal cmd: give (.*?) a job |
| 20:03.51 | TimRiker | ibot: give $1 a job is <action>hires $1 to be his personal footstool |
| 20:03.52 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 20:04.04 | TimRiker | ibot: give graphyx a job |
| 20:04.05 | ibot | ACTION hires graphyx to be his personal footstool |
| 20:04.21 | TimRiker | ibot: forget give (.*?) a job |
| 20:04.21 | ibot | i forgot give (.*?) a job, TimRiker |
| 20:04.37 | lars-ut | maquis: I just had to hard poweroff the softwarefor.org server due to the traffic - Alt+SysRq (Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring) was unresponsive |
| 20:04.55 | lars-ut | maquis: but mirror.softwarefor.org has survived the spike so far |
| 20:35.31 | maquis | ~hammerthrow |
| 20:35.47 | maquis | ~hammerthrow TimRiker |
| 20:35.48 | ibot | ACTION throws a huge hammer across the room into TimRiker/'s head |
| 20:36.35 | maquis | that's a fun one |
| 20:40.04 | mrpull- | lars-ut: what was the bandwidth consumption before you turned it off? |
| 20:40.20 | lars-ut | mrpull: it's on |
| 20:40.32 | lars-ut | I just had to kill mysqld |
| 20:40.38 | lars-ut | and take our wiki offline |
| 20:40.47 | lars-ut | to give you an idea though... |
| 20:41.05 | lars-ut | the torrents that were linked there are now exceed 14Mbps |
| 20:41.22 | mrpull- | nice. |
| 20:41.26 | goozbach | I've personally served >200G of iso images |
| 20:41.35 | lars-ut | ~praise goozbach |
| 20:41.37 | ibot | All hail goozbach! |
| 20:41.54 | mrpull- | digg is certainly pulling more weight these days |
| 20:42.05 | goozbach | neverblock.com is down right now however |
| 20:42.33 | maquis | goozbach: you doing torrent? |
| 20:43.11 | goozbach | full isos |
| 20:43.30 | lars-ut | http mirror |
| 20:46.01 | goozbach | I'm stopping the seed |
| 20:46.05 | goozbach | on my mirror |
| 20:52.01 | lars-ut | k |
| 20:52.05 | *** join/#utah niquil (n=niquil@70.58.39.208) |
| 20:52.11 | lars-ut | the swarm is incredible |
| 20:56.56 | Uncle_Jesse | is someone being digg'd? |
| 20:57.17 | Uncle_Jesse | dig dug |
| 20:57.21 | Uncle_Jesse | digg dug |
| 20:58.09 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@128.187.175.179) |
| 20:59.43 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: My book is being dugg, as well as lars-ut's Software for Starving Students |
| 20:59.59 | lars-ut | drat - you beat me again |
| 21:00.51 | tensai | ~lart sorbs |
| 21:02.31 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet |
| 21:02.53 | lars-ut | thx, Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:03.05 | lars-ut | 17.03Mbps on win torrent |
| 21:06.03 | harleypig | http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woman-marries-dolphin/2006/01/01/1136050339590.html |
| 21:06.06 | brac | [Woman marries dolphin - World - theage.com.au] |
| 21:08.35 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut, jsmith: let me know if you make diggnation next week :-) |
| 21:10.36 | maquis | that's weird... |
| 21:14.58 | graphyx | jsmith: looks like Software beat out your book by 3 hours. |
| 21:15.00 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: it's a podcast/video podcast |
| 21:15.17 | Uncle_Jesse | they showcase the top 10 news items for the week |
| 21:15.18 | goozbach | ok rate up my request for mirrors comment |
| 21:15.31 | maquis | ?? |
| 21:15.33 | Uncle_Jesse | it's basically 2 old tech tv guys that quit because of management |
| 21:15.47 | lars-ut | goozbach: will do. |
| 21:15.56 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (n=chatzill@204.14.22.72) |
| 21:16.09 | goozbach | wrong channel |
| 21:16.21 | Lone_Wanderer | and I haven't even asked me question yet :( |
| 21:16.28 | goozbach | heh |
| 21:16.47 | graphyx | Sounds like you already know what the answer will be. |
| 21:16.55 | Lone_Wanderer | my* |
| 21:17.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I was going to ask what I should use as a pop server. |
| 21:18.22 | sjansen | dovecot |
| 21:18.29 | Lone_Wanderer | k thanks |
| 21:19.16 | Uncle_Jesse | makes a good imap server too |
| 21:19.41 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah I'm reading about it. is it mature? |
| 21:20.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I only ask because it looks like it's on version 1.0 |
| 21:21.07 | goozbach | it's decent |
| 21:21.15 | goozbach | super easy to configure/maintain |
| 21:21.38 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:23.00 | sjansen | traditional open source, took forever to reach 1.0, I've been using it since about 0.6 without any problems |
| 21:23.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh okay |
| 21:23.13 | Lone_Wanderer | why do open source projects take so long to hit 1.0? |
| 21:24.29 | dataw0lf | traditionally 1.0 means the first stable release. And open source projects, by definition, are, well, open long before that. |
| 21:24.49 | sjansen | because 1.0 rock solid and feature complete to most oss developers, whereas in the proprietary world it means give us money and we'll let you alpha test!!!1!! |
| 21:25.15 | Lone_Wanderer | that makes sense |
| 21:29.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently we're using exim instead. |
| 21:31.01 | tensai | exim isn't an imap server. it only does smtp. |
| 21:31.50 | goozbach | XMission had to re-balance it's network from my mirror |
| 21:32.05 | dataw0lf | mm dovecot. |
| 21:33.27 | sjansen | exim isn't a pop server. it only does smtp. |
| 21:35.00 | sjansen | tensai isn't a postfix, he only does bxxp |
| 21:35.35 | dataw0lf | I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 21:38.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ergh, this voip stuff is not going to be fun, I can tell |
| 21:39.36 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: sure it is, for starters it'll make it easier for you to make your caller id look like you're the CEO when you call helpdesk and demand they open a hole in the firewall for WoW traffic |
| 21:40.23 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, I actually wrote an LJ entry to that effect yesterday. (Yes, I am an attention whore, etc.) |
| 21:40.46 | Lone_Wanderer | What they said: (insert a paragraph of managerspeak about voip). What I heard: "Phreaking is back." |
| 21:41.43 | mrpull- | Any RT experts want to take a stab at answering a potentially stupid ACL question? |
| 21:43.20 | harleypig | mrpull-: the only stupid question is unasked question. (I can't help, just interjecting my own thoughts). |
| 21:43.43 | mrpull- | i have a queue that I don't want unprivileged users to see |
| 21:44.22 | mrpull- | but I want the users who use that queue to only have the selfservice interface available to them |
| 21:51.43 | mrpull- | or even better... Is there a way to limit privileged users to only seeing the SelfService interface? |
| 21:55.09 | sjansen | bah, gmail does such a wonderful job blocking spam, why in the world do they think I'm interested in email about buying university degrees? |
| 22:01.06 | mrpull- | gahhh.... one solution may be "Make them privileged, put them in the groups, and |
| 22:01.06 | mrpull- | then take away privileges. They should still be in the |
| 22:01.06 | mrpull- | groups" |
| 22:01.09 | mrpull- | brutal. |
| 22:01.58 | maquis | sjansen: maybe they think that's how you got your degree, and figure you might be interested in doing it again? |
| 22:11.09 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, #redhat and ##linux are both silent |
| 22:11.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to install openssl on a redhat box, where do I start? can I just get an rpm? |
| 22:11.54 | maquis | yum install openssl? |
| 22:12.16 | maquis | i recall that it was there, but it wasn't a very new version last time i checked |
| 22:12.34 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Which version of RH? |
| 22:12.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Linux version 2.4.21-32.0.1.ELsmp (bhcompile@bugs.build.redhat.com) (gcc version 3.2.3 20030502 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.3-52)) #1 SMP Tue May 17 17:52:23 EDT 2005 |
| 22:12.55 | Lone_Wanderer | which I believe means 3.2.3 |
| 22:13.25 | jsmith | That's the version of gcc. |
| 22:13.40 | Tene | cat /proc/version |
| 22:13.43 | jsmith | Oh, probably RHEL 3 update 2 |
| 22:13.47 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, there we go |
| 22:13.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Red Hat Enterprise Linux ES release 3 (Taroon Update 6) |
| 22:13.50 | maquis | jsmith: but it says it's red hat linux 3.2.3-52, also |
| 22:14.25 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: up2date -u openssl (or "yum install openssl" if you have yum installed) |
| 22:16.06 | Lone_Wanderer | weird, it says it's already updated |
| 22:17.26 | Lone_Wanderer | but make (for dovecot) is giving /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h:72:18: krb5.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:18.17 | Tene | ... |
| 22:18.30 | Tene | that's saying that an ssl header can't find something else that it wants |
| 22:18.35 | Tene | looks like kerberos something |
| 22:18.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | so I just need to install kerberos? |
| 22:21.58 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Try installing openssl-devel |
| 22:22.11 | Lone_Wanderer | it's already installed and up to date (according to up2date) |
| 22:22.34 | jsmith | Do you have a /usr/include/openssl/kssl.h file? |
| 22:22.46 | sjansen | To get the RHEL release: cat /etc/*-release |
| 22:22.51 | Lone_Wanderer | yep |
| 22:23.04 | Lone_Wanderer | it's RHEL 3 |
| 22:23.09 | sjansen | That has the advantage of also working with Fedora and SUSE. |
| 22:23.20 | Lone_Wanderer | oh cool |
| 22:23.22 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Looks like you also need krb5-devel installed |
| 22:23.26 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:23.46 | Lone_Wanderer | say that one's already up to date too |
| 22:24.20 | sjansen | the dovecot configure system might not be able to find it |
| 22:24.42 | Lone_Wanderer | must be it |
| 22:25.11 | sjansen | If you're on RHEL3, and you have a support contract, you might want to go with Cyrus instead. (IIRC, that's the default POP server for RHEL3.) |
| 22:25.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt they have a support contract. |
| 22:25.48 | sjansen | RH apparently also prefers dovecot, however, because with RHEL4 it became the new default. |
| 22:26.13 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Who is "they"? |
| 22:26.26 | Lone_Wanderer | one of our company's customers |
| 22:26.52 | sjansen | If you don't have a long term relationship with "them", you definitely want to go with whatever will be the easiest to maintain and most secure. |
| 22:26.53 | Lone_Wanderer | cardcafe I believe is the name of the company |
| 22:27.43 | sjansen | Probably best not to name names. For all you know, I could be an attacker just waiting for hints who to attack in a few months when their security updates have fallen behind. |
| 22:27.58 | Lone_Wanderer | right |
| 22:28.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I meant |
| 22:28.01 | Lone_Wanderer | abcd.org |
| 22:28.23 | sjansen | Find out how they handle security on the server. Whatever you install should mesh well with that. |
| 22:28.59 | sjansen | If you/your company will be providing support then you/your company will be recompiling dovecot everytime a security issue arises. |
| 22:29.35 | sjansen | If they have a contract, or are using CentOS updates, then you want to go with Cyrus (or whatever the RHEL3 default was). |
| 22:29.59 | sjansen | If no one is maintaing this box... they're being stupid and you should tell them so as nicely as you can. |
| 22:30.13 | Lone_Wanderer | we're providing support |
| 22:30.38 | Lone_Wanderer | which I guess means I need to find out what all they have installed and update it every time security patches are released, right? |
| 22:30.52 | sjansen | yup |
| 22:31.00 | Lone_Wanderer | great! |
| 22:31.43 | sjansen | Of course, if you have a boss it'd be best to have a provide conversation with her and find out exactly how far you want to take that. |
| 22:31.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll add that to my list of things to do and bump myself up to 14 hours a day instead of 13 to give myself time to peruse whatever security lists I need to start paying attention to. |
| 22:32.17 | Lone_Wanderer | The conversation we're going to have is "Hire someone else. Now." |
| 22:32.20 | sjansen | You're probably probably providing support because they're too cheap to pay RH. Which means they're going to get the level of support they deserve. |
| 22:33.36 | sjansen | As a tip, if the system is still mostly stock, CentOS has (or at least used to have) all of the RHEL updates shortly after RH releases them. Switching the system to CentOS will probably make your life easier. |
| 22:33.38 | mheath | HUA |
| 22:33.43 | mheath | Work in an hour :( |
| 22:34.50 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: where do you work? |
| 22:34.50 | Lone_Wanderer | apparently they just want it installed, and not maintained |
| 22:35.02 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: For the time being, at Applebees in Riverdale |
| 22:35.34 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - I'll remember that next time I go there |
| 22:35.36 | Lone_Wanderer | does Cyrus provide pop as well as imap? |
| 22:35.38 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: Sounds to me like you should do whatever is fastest. |
| 22:35.46 | Lone_Wanderer | agreed |
| 22:35.47 | sjansen | Yes, it does. |
| 22:35.55 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 22:37.15 | jsmith | sjansen: Me too! |
| 22:37.30 | maquis | mheath: welcome back, btw |
| 22:37.37 | mheath | maquis: HUA! Thank you :) |
| 22:37.46 | maquis | HUA? |
| 22:37.49 | sjansen | The worst part is that it usually isn't an immediate bleeder. They usually don't notice trouble until gangrene sets in and the entire leg has to be removed. |
| 22:38.02 | mheath | maquis: A military....ermm......term? |
| 22:38.09 | maquis | which means? |
| 22:38.15 | sjansen | HUA! |
| 22:38.16 | mheath | I'm not sure 'term' is the right..term. |
| 22:38.26 | mheath | Expression |
| 22:38.32 | jsmith | sjansen: Been there, seen that, still have the scars to prove it |
| 22:38.58 | mheath | maquis: Kinda like....a mixture of Cool, Awesome, Understood/Obeyed, good job, congratulations. |
| 22:39.04 | mheath | All rolled into one. |
| 22:39.06 | sjansen | maquis: Think of it as an involved form of grunt that invokes bravery and commraderie. |
| 22:39.12 | maquis | interesting |
| 22:39.19 | mheath | maquis: Have you *never* seen a war movie? |
| 22:39.35 | maquis | mheath: uh... i think i might've seen at least parts of some |
| 22:39.56 | mheath | I find it hard to believe that you've never seen a war movie where someone says something like "HUA, solider!" |
| 22:40.00 | sjansen | maquis isn't fully acculturated to American society |
| 22:40.15 | maquis | ~hammerthrow sjansen |
| 22:40.19 | ibot | ACTION throws a huge hammer across the room into sjansen/'s head |
| 22:40.42 | maquis | http://www.recipesource.com/main-dishes/meat/pork/spam/00/rec0005.html <-- could potentially be good... |
| 22:40.43 | brac | [RecipeSource: Savory Spam Crescents] |
| 22:41.30 | mheath | Wow |
| 22:41.44 | mheath | A Marine was arrested for dessertation from vietnam, 40 years ago. |
| 22:42.02 | maquis | dessertation? he ate his dessert too early? |
| 22:42.05 | maquis | or desertion? |
| 22:42.14 | mheath | Bah, desertion |
| 22:42.21 | maquis | :- |
| 22:42.22 | maquis | P |
| 22:42.26 | mheath | That is, he was recently arrested because he deserted 40 years go. |
| 22:42.34 | maquis | wow... |
| 22:42.37 | maquis | that's kinda scary |
| 22:43.27 | sjansen | What's scary about it? Military serves is deadly serious business and should be treated as such. |
| 22:43.53 | graphyx | You sign the line you do the time. |
| 22:43.56 | sjansen | s/serves/service/ |
| 22:44.15 | graphyx | in Italy you have 10 months service in the military for being born. |
| 22:44.19 | graphyx | Males that would be. |
| 22:44.33 | graphyx | and if you evade I am pretty sure they throw your butt i jail. |
| 22:44.42 | mheath | Yes, but I'm not sure it's right to chuck a 65 year old man in prison because he deserted from the most controversional and, in hindsight, not really supported at all war, 40 years ago. |
| 22:44.50 | sjansen | Brazil is similar. Mandatory military service for being born without political connections. |
| 22:45.01 | graphyx | sjansen: Lot of truth to that. |
| 22:45.20 | graphyx | another odd note. in Italy 3rd son is exempt. But it is rare that a family has more than 2 kids. |
| 22:46.06 | sjansen | mheath: Where do you draw the line? Iraq isn't very popular right now, does that give soldiers the right to desert now? |
| 22:46.45 | Tene | as long as they're not caught for 40 years. |
| 22:48.14 | maquis | i dunno... it just seems weird that someone did that 40 years ago, and didn't get caught til now, and is now getting punished for it... |
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| 22:48.45 | mheath | maquis: the scary part is, he was living under a different name that whole time |
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| 22:48.55 | maquis | wow |
| 22:49.00 | maquis | that's pretty skilled |
| 22:49.03 | mheath | and he obviously had some kind of flaw in his forged records, or they never would have found him at all |
| 22:49.20 | mheath | It's scary that whatever flaw that was went undetected for so long |
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| 22:49.31 | maquis | are they still looking for people who deserted that long ago? |
| 22:49.36 | Lone_Wanderer_ | stupid connection |
| 22:49.58 | mheath | maquis: Not actively. They were running his fingerprints through the computer system for fraud charges. |
| 22:52.12 | mheath | argh, I forgot to wash my work shirt before I left |
| 22:52.25 | mheath | I thought I had it washed, now I don't have time to wash it before I leave for work |
| 22:52.47 | mheath | It gets disgustting, working in the kitchen in a restraunt |
| 22:53.45 | Lone_Wanderer_ | what's libsasl2? cyrus says it can't continue without it and to get it from a certain FTP site but the directory it references doesn't exist there |
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| 22:54.08 | Lone_Wanderer_ | and mheath you have my sympathy, I used to work as a line cook and stuff gets seriously nasty back there |
| 22:54.59 | levi | Apparently AWOL during wartime is one of the few military offenses with no statute of limitations. |
| 22:55.33 | Lone_Wanderer_ | no kidding |
| 22:55.46 | levi | And any other offense where the maximum permissible punishment is death. |
| 22:56.20 | levi | (which includes AWOL during wartime, technically, and the last time someone was put to death for it was around when this guy deserted) |
| 22:56.21 | sjansen | sasl is a simple api for application authentication and security, but there really should be an rpm that provides what you need |
| 22:56.44 | goozbach | ~praise fozzmoo |
| 22:56.45 | ibot | All hail fozzmoo! |
| 22:57.31 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer_: Are you trying to install from source or from RPM? Just grab the RPMs you need from the CentOS servers. |
| 22:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer_ | okay. I know nothing about CentOS. |
| 22:57.54 | Lone_Wanderer_ | but I can google! |
| 22:59.15 | Lone_Wanderer_ | so CentOS is something I need to install, which will then allow me to install cyrus and/or dovecot? |
| 23:00.10 | sjansen | CentOS is a project that takes RHEL SRPMs, removes trademarks and other stuff they can't legally ship, recompiles to create a binary compatible copy of RHEL, and then posts the result. |
| 23:00.38 | Lone_Wanderer_ | oh |
| 23:00.56 | Lone_Wanderer_ | so... what's an SRPM, as opposed to an RPM? |
| 23:01.00 | sjansen | In other words, CentOS is a distribution. It has an installer, security updates, a support community. And it usually only lags RH by a few days. |
| 23:01.23 | Lone_Wanderer_ | so, I'm confused - it sounds like you're recommending that I install a new OS? |
| 23:02.12 | sjansen | No, I'm recommending that you install the packages provides by RH. If you don't have a support contract, however, the RPMs from CentOS 3 should be binary compatible with RHEL3. |
| 23:02.25 | Lone_Wanderer_ | ahh, okay |
| 23:02.42 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I'm at centos.org |
| 23:02.50 | sjansen | Go Google CentOS and SRPM and rpmbuild, etc. |
| 23:02.55 | Lone_Wanderer_ | k |
| 23:06.02 | sjansen | For more than you could possibly want to know about SRPMs, see: http://www.gurulabs.com/GURULABS-RPM-LAB/GURULABS-RPM-GUIDE-v1.0.PDF |
| 23:06.43 | Lone_Wanderer_ | guru labs is where you work right? |
| 23:06.44 | *** join/#utah jsmith (n=jsmith@64.0.193.31) |
| 23:06.47 | sjansen | As it happens, I know a few people who work for Guru Labs. |
| 23:07.43 | sjansen | If your company is going to be providing much support for RHEL/FC/SLES/SL systems, your boss might want to send you to attend the GL250 and GL275. http://www.gurulabs.com/training/courses.php |
| 23:07.44 | brac | [Guru Labs] |
| 23:07.54 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer_: Yes, I work for Guru Labs. |
| 23:08.14 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I'd love it if they would. |
| 23:12.05 | JoshH | or they could just tell you to ask sjansen or any of hte other gurulabs employees in #utah for free :P |
| 23:13.26 | Lone_Wanderer_ | my boss is of the opinion that asking questions on irc is an unnecessary waste of time |
| 23:13.30 | Lone_Wanderer_ | "Just google everything." |
| 23:13.48 | Uncle_Jesse | ack - M$ making offers to buy yahoo is scary - imagine M$ owning Flicker |
| 23:13.51 | sjansen | Kinda. It's all a question of speed. This problem should have taken only about half-an-hour. #utah can sometimes help, and Lone_Wanderer_ is smart so given enough time he can figure it out on his own, but training saves time. |
| 23:13.54 | Lone_Wanderer_ | okay I have a confession to make |
| 23:14.11 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I've never installed anything using an rpm before |
| 23:14.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I've found irc is for really quick answers when you can't quickly find them on google |
| 23:14.41 | Uncle_Jesse | Lone_Wanderer_: rpm -Uvh (filename).rpm |
| 23:14.48 | sjansen | That's why I said "If your company is going to be providing much support for RHEL/FC/SLES/SL systems". The upfront cost is high, but long term is results in savings. |
| 23:15.30 | sjansen | I'd actually recommends starting with rpm -ivh. Don't want to remove libaries that can co-exist. |
| 23:15.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I guess it depends if you know what it's doing or not |
| 23:16.10 | Uncle_Jesse | Uvh is a bit "do all", and could get you into trouble I guess |
| 23:16.15 | Lone_Wanderer_ | k |
| 23:16.59 | Lone_Wanderer_ | is there a sllug to complement plug? |
| 23:17.04 | sjansen | yup |
| 23:17.07 | Lone_Wanderer_ | k |
| 23:17.23 | Lone_Wanderer_ | wow, that was... really quick |
| 23:17.26 | sjansen | But you're starting to get annoying because you're asking us to do your thinking and research for you. |
| 23:17.35 | Lone_Wanderer_ | d'oh, sorry |
| 23:23.07 | sjansen | "My favorite test word is "räksmörgås". It contains all three strange swedish characters and it translates to "shrimp sandwich" :)" <-- I'm going to have to remember that word for testing purposes. |
| 23:29.15 | Lone_Wanderer_ | testing what? |
| 23:33.39 | Uncle_Jesse | I like า่สวๆำไพาส่สา่ |
| 23:34.01 | Uncle_Jesse | If that works, anything will |
| 23:34.02 | Lone_Wanderer_ | can you read that? |
| 23:34.05 | Uncle_Jesse | yup |
| 23:34.08 | Uncle_Jesse | gaim reads it fine |
| 23:34.12 | Lone_Wanderer_ | what's it translate to? |
| 23:34.18 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I mean, do you understand that language |
| 23:34.26 | Uncle_Jesse | um, nothing - I just through out a bunch of Thai letters ;-) |
| 23:34.32 | Uncle_Jesse | yes, I understand the language though |
| 23:34.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I just don't have a keyboard to know what letter is where |
| 23:35.46 | Uncle_Jesse | If anyone goes to Thailand let me know - I need a Thai wireless Keyboard/mouse combo from there |
| 23:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer_ | cool |
| 23:35.55 | Lone_Wanderer_ | I went Hmong speaking |
| 23:36.40 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 23:39.08 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.26 | Lone_Wanderer_ | Uncle_Jesse is a she...? |
| 23:39.27 | Uncle_Jesse | Lone_Wanderer_: Hmongs were in our MTC Group |
| 23:39.52 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: you're pretty close, with the exception of the Java part ;-) |
| 23:39.54 | Lone_Wanderer_ | cool |
| 23:40.40 | sjansen | That's right, you escaped from a Java job didn't you? |
| 23:41.21 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: well, I did some Java there, yes - I did a little of everything. Java, Perl, and some proprietary languages you probably haven't heard of |
| 23:42.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I mostly dealt with beareaucratic processes though |
| 23:42.47 | sjansen | When you reach my age, the memory starts to go. |
| 23:42.49 | Uncle_Jesse | ~spell beareaucratic |
| 23:43.00 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - bureaucratic |
| 23:45.42 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: your memory is right though - for awhile I did a lot of Java at that place |
| 23:46.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I repent of past sins though |
| 23:47.12 | *** join/#utah synic (n=synic@pdpc/supporter/student/synic) |
| 23:48.54 | sjansen | So Thai more dense in the information it can encode? I love small fonts, and your Thai characters were so small they were almost white blocks. |
| 23:50.33 | Uncle_Jesse | It might just be the font |
| 23:51.07 | Uncle_Jesse | but, yes, real Thai should allow for vowels above constonants, etc, making it more dense |
| 23:51.21 | Uncle_Jesse | it's not like Chinese though in that different characters are actually words or sounds |
| 23:52.37 | maquis | chinese is quite dense |
| 23:52.47 | maquis | although, i wouldn't suggest small fonts |
| 23:52.56 | maquis | particularly if it's traditional chinese |
| 23:53.46 | maquis | one of the perrenial tricks of students taking chinese is "write small, use a blunt pencil, and don't be afraid to smudge things a bit..." |
| 23:54.12 | sjansen | *sigh* People who include xml tags in their Web pages but don't validate should be shot. |
| 23:54.26 | maquis | it doesn't always work, but occasionally, it's quite useful if you can't remember all the strokes |
| 23:54.40 | sjansen | http://www.livejournal.com/users/robey/33120.html |
| 23:56.09 | sjansen | People who redefine tab widths should also be shot. |
| 23:56.42 | fozzmoo | Weeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:56.57 | maquis | ??? |
| 23:58.01 | Uncle_Jesse | ~shoot sjansen |
| 23:58.05 | ibot | ACTION shoots sjansen in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 23:58.17 | Lone_Wanderer_ | do new services need to be registered somewhere, or something? if service <servicename> start gives "<service>: unrecognized service... |
| 23:58.34 | fozzmoo | Spontaneous utterings. |
| 23:58.44 | sjansen | maquis: fozzmoo just woke up and discovered that goozbach buried him in whipped cream. Unlike most people, he isn't mad. He's eager to eat his way out. |
| 23:58.55 | maquis | yay! |
| 23:59.17 | sjansen | service foo start is another way of saying /etc/init.d/foo start |
| 23:59.29 | Lone_Wanderer_ | ok thanks |
| 23:59.31 | goozbach | sjansen: it wasn't whipped cream |
| 23:59.44 | goozbach | right fozzmoo? |