| 00:01.35 | goozbach | http://www.jumbojoke.com/why_americans_are_so_fat_367.html |
| 00:01.36 | brac | [Why Americans are So Fat] |
| 00:03.01 | goozbach | http://www.jumbojoke.com/safety_last_forklifts_368.html |
| 00:03.02 | brac | [Safety Last: Forklifts] |
| 00:03.36 | goozbach | http://www.jumbojoke.com/safety_last_bombs_away_370.html |
| 00:03.37 | brac | [Safety Last: Bomb's Away!] |
| 00:05.14 | amcnabb | That 24 Hour Fitness one can't be real. |
| 00:05.35 | maquis | http://www.jumbojoke.com/new_rules_for_the_office_554.html |
| 00:05.36 | brac | [New Rules For The Office] |
| 00:08.49 | maquis | http://www.jumbojoke.com/growing_up_is_hard_to_do_569.html |
| 00:08.50 | brac | [Growing Up is Hard to Do] |
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| 00:29.29 | goozbach | http://www.jumbojoke.com/god_vs_satan_295.html |
| 00:29.30 | brac | [God vs. Satan] |
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| 01:33.44 | emcnabb | you know a drive is going bad when you can hear the heads scraping against the platter |
| 01:34.00 | emcnabb | well, let me rephrase that: the drive IS bad |
| 01:48.46 | spr | "It's Craig Feldspar, he's a level 45 dungeon master" -- Malcom in the Middle |
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| 02:01.10 | sjansen | spr: wannabe |
| 02:01.27 | sjansen | emcnabb: who's drive? |
| 02:02.58 | emcnabb | do you remember Dave (my old roommate) and Nadelie (Lisa's old roommate) who got married? They're back in town and brought me their disk to see if I could get some stuff off of it |
| 02:03.10 | emcnabb | it's beyond help |
| 02:03.14 | sjansen | :-( |
| 02:03.51 | emcnabb | and it has some of their wedding pictures on it (not the professionally taken ones, but some that his sister took) |
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| 02:05.39 | Mecworks | I have heard of putting a drive in the freezer for an hour or so to thighten up tolerences enough to read data off it. It might work - I tried it once but the damage to the drive was to the point that I counldn't tell if the data I was reading was a result of the tighter tolerences or that I was just lucky. I got most of the data off the drive. |
| 02:05.40 | emcnabb | I did have an extra 15 GB disk that I gave them, so at least they'll be able to use the computer |
| 02:05.52 | emcnabb | Mecworks, interesting |
| 02:06.17 | emcnabb | you can here it actually scrape, so I'm thinking it might be damaged beyond repair |
| 02:06.18 | Mecworks | yes - interesting. |
| 02:06.28 | emcnabb | but I'm no drive expert :-) |
| 02:06.36 | Mecworks | nor am I |
| 02:42.16 | emcnabb | I love getting junk mail that contains a prepaid envelope; I just take their crap mail, stuff it back in, and send it right back. They know my feelings, and they have to pay for it |
| 02:43.03 | emcnabb | I probably send back 5 - 10 a week |
| 02:45.23 | amcnabb | I usually throw them out without opening them, so I don't know which ones have prepaid envelopes. |
| 02:47.55 | emcnabb | well, I make sure they don't have too much personal info, or something that someone could sign me up for; if they do, I shred it |
| 02:48.11 | emcnabb | then I send back everything else :-) |
| 02:48.25 | emcnabb | I find it quite satisfying |
| 02:49.47 | sjansen | just remember, that junk mail is keeping your postal rates down |
| 02:50.59 | emcnabb | well, I would prefer it to be a bit higher, and not have crap sent to me |
| 02:51.23 | emcnabb | and this is actually making the postoffice money, until too many people start doing it |
| 02:53.59 | amcnabb | What I hate the most are the wads of newspaper inserts in my mailbox. |
| 02:54.16 | amcnabb | They're so massive that real mail can get lost. |
| 02:54.44 | emcnabb | agreed |
| 02:55.06 | emcnabb | it's too bad you can't opt-out (maybe you can) |
| 02:55.54 | amcnabb | I wish I knew how. Anyone know? |
| 02:56.33 | amcnabb | They should have to pay for every seperate sheet since it's not in an envelope. |
| 03:02.14 | sjansen | If you find out how to opt out, let me know! |
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| 04:44.24 | emcnabb | can anyone else get to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ , or is it just me? |
| 04:45.38 | RyanE | no can do |
| 04:45.44 | RyanE | times out |
| 04:45.45 | emcnabb | hum, according to mtr, there's some serious packet loss going on in London |
| 04:46.06 | RyanE | mtr? |
| 04:46.49 | emcnabb | Matt's Traceroute |
| 04:46.53 | emcnabb | cool command |
| 04:47.18 | emcnabb | what's up with the last hop: 15. gentoo.ubuntu.com ? |
| 04:47.41 | RyanE | oooh... that'd start rumors. :) |
| 04:48.30 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:48.33 | RyanE | I can hear it now... "Ubuntu runs their web operations on Gentoo!" The Scandal! |
| 04:48.37 | sjansen | $#^%#^ SUSE #^$#&^%$&^%$&%$&^% |
| 04:48.54 | RyanE | sjansen: was the switch to SUSE by choice? |
| 04:48.58 | sjansen | yes |
| 04:49.09 | RyanE | I mean, it obviously wasn't a mistake, you didn't put in the SUSE disks by accident... |
| 04:49.17 | emcnabb | sjansen, convert back to Gentoo. The Ubuntu people did it! |
| 04:49.23 | RyanE | how many more of your self-imposed 30 days are left? |
| 04:49.24 | sjansen | heh |
| 04:49.27 | RyanE | emcnabb: heh |
| 04:49.43 | sjansen | RyanE: a little more than a week and a half |
| 04:49.50 | sjansen | almost two |
| 04:51.05 | emcnabb | sjansen, I admire you for your persistence, you goal-oriented mentality, and your masochistic behavior |
| 04:51.07 | RyanE | sjansen: ouch. |
| 04:51.12 | emcnabb | well, maybe not the last one |
| 04:51.26 | hans | I just got an email from someone at Google Staffing |
| 04:51.30 | RyanE | I'm still running SuSE 9.3 on my home desktop, but I don't use it for work daily anymore, and it's not bleeding-edge anyway. |
| 04:51.40 | hans | guess what MUA the headers say he used |
| 04:51.54 | emcnabb | Outlook? |
| 04:51.56 | RyanE | anything but Exchange, PLEASE... |
| 04:52.08 | emcnabb | Lookout? |
| 04:52.15 | hans | X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 |
| 04:52.22 | emcnabb | wow |
| 04:52.36 | emcnabb | I've actually gotten contacted by Google several times recently |
| 04:52.50 | hans | but then he would be a recruiter/HR type person |
| 04:53.00 | emcnabb | I have a friend who started working there last summer, and I think he submitted my name to the headhunters |
| 04:53.24 | hans | I guess it's a good sign, actually. it means google doesn't have a draconian "you must use gmail" policy |
| 04:57.49 | emcnabb | it's back up |
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| 05:00.10 | sjansen | Yeeha! |
| 05:00.34 | sjansen | Oh, wait. |
| 05:02.14 | sjansen | Yeeha! |
| 05:04.47 | lars-ut | ~seen goozbach |
| 05:04.54 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 4h 35m 25s |
| 05:05.32 | sjansen | And so I ask myself, am I going to report this... |
| 05:05.49 | emcnabb | lars-ut, he is currently on a hot date (warning: adjective added) |
| 05:07.53 | lars-ut-away | thanks emcnabb |
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| 08:14.51 | findlay | why does goozbach get all the dates? |
| 08:14.56 | findlay | no fair |
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| 16:36.03 | graphyx | anyone alive? |
| 16:36.13 | graphyx | ~poke graphyx |
| 16:36.15 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, graphyx? hans? |
| 16:38.00 | emcnabb | I think I'm alive |
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| 16:45.11 | emcnabb | ~poke sjansen |
| 16:45.13 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, emcnabb? emcnabb? |
| 16:45.17 | emcnabb | wake up |
| 16:45.41 | sjansen | yeah, yeah, everything it its due time |
| 16:52.21 | hans | breakfast, always |
| 16:55.06 | emcnabb | sjansen, we don't want to know about your scratching |
| 16:55.11 | emcnabb | please, no |
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| 16:56.01 | xbmodder_lappy2 | hey all |
| 17:07.33 | emcnabb | mutt question; I have several mutt macros configured. The following macro used to work: 'macro index "\cx" "|sa-learn --spam\nd"'. I've now changed it to: macro index "\cx" "b\ny\nspam@mcnabbs.org\nd\n" |
| 17:07.43 | emcnabb | if I hit ? in mutt it shows up in the macro list |
| 17:08.02 | emcnabb | but if I hit ctrl-x it says "Key is not bound" |
| 17:08.04 | emcnabb | any ideas? |
| 17:13.15 | xbmodder_lappy2 | http://digg.com/security/Hiding_keywords_from_search_engines < diggs for thought? |
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| 17:21.16 | emcnabb | ok, I fixed it (thanks to byronc and hans via IM); it just didn't like my wrong macro |
| 17:21.29 | emcnabb | this is correct: macro index "\cx" "bspam@mcnabbs.org\ny\nd\n" |
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| 17:21.44 | hans | what's the last \n for? |
| 17:22.03 | emcnabb | I don't need it |
| 17:22.06 | emcnabb | just realized :-) |
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| 17:23.17 | sjansen | mutt: the Vim of MUAs |
| 17:25.00 | emcnabb | it is; the more I use it, the more I like it (and I've been using it for ~4 years now) |
| 17:25.32 | emcnabb | I still wish there was a pine like client, which was easier for newbies to use |
| 17:25.40 | emcnabb | I guess pine is still available |
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| 17:57.58 | emcnabb | here is a direct quote from goozbach: "I know why I'm sneezing so much. I haven't had a Mountain Dew yet this morning!" |
| 17:58.10 | emcnabb | goozbach, I personally see no connection |
| 17:58.15 | goozbach | hey! just you watch |
| 17:58.35 | goozbach | let me live in my delousions |
| 18:01.16 | goozbach | php-- |
| 18:01.56 | goozbach | let me rephrase that |
| 18:02.03 | goozbach | mediawiki-- |
| 18:03.00 | goozbach | amd FYI it wasn't a HOT date last night |
| 18:03.12 | goozbach | I was flying wingman |
| 18:05.28 | goozbach | MVC++ |
| 18:17.07 | goozbach | http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/2387 |
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| 18:19.20 | maquis | ooh |
| 18:19.25 | maquis | me wants! |
| 18:19.46 | xbmodder_lappy | $179 :) |
| 18:23.05 | emcnabb | another quote today: "Andrew McNabb: If I were a spammer, I'd be a really good one." |
| 18:23.39 | goozbach | I used to be a really good sleezball |
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| 18:24.04 | emcnabb | used to be? |
| 18:24.19 | goozbach | you didn't know me before |
| 18:24.25 | amcnabb | Tons of email messages are harvested from mailing lists. |
| 18:24.29 | goozbach | trust me... THIS is an improvement |
| 18:24.39 | emcnabb | wow |
| 18:24.47 | goozbach | I was a telemarketer once |
| 18:24.55 | emcnabb | oh, ok |
| 18:25.00 | SpecialZ | which is the reason I keep a separate email account for listmail |
| 18:25.06 | goozbach | but not just a script reader |
| 18:25.17 | amcnabb | I'm glad the spammers aren't smart enough to harvest the messages from the lists and use their contents to hurt machine learning spam checkers. |
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| 18:25.46 | goozbach | I actually once wrote a screen scraper to steal the phone numbers of our competitor's customers and call them |
| 18:26.04 | goozbach | grade AAA sleezball |
| 18:26.08 | amcnabb | Wow, that is sleezy. :) |
| 18:26.17 | emcnabb | I figure eventually my email would have gotten out anyway |
| 18:26.38 | emcnabb | e.g. my mom; she isn't on any mailing lists but still gets tons of spam |
| 18:26.55 | amcnabb | My mom has the same problem. |
| 18:27.04 | goozbach | imagine that! |
| 18:27.23 | emcnabb | amcnabb, I wonder if we're related? |
| 18:28.06 | emcnabb | there's actually a cmcnabb on #groklaw (FDFnet); people always think we're related |
| 18:28.17 | emcnabb | I guess if you go back far enough we are... |
| 18:28.18 | amcnabb | That's funny. |
| 18:32.29 | emcnabb | goozbach, http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/dspam/ |
| 18:32.33 | emcnabb | there you go |
| 18:34.54 | amcnabb | I realized this morning that I still need to add info about what we do to speed up training (with a shared user). |
| 18:36.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I've heard of a vmcnabb |
| 18:36.39 | amcnabb | Where have you seen a vmcnabb? |
| 18:37.09 | emcnabb | maybe it was pmcnabb? |
| 18:37.49 | Uncle_Jesse | vince mcnabb |
| 18:38.02 | Uncle_Jesse | he's some football player somewhere :-) |
| 18:38.35 | emcnabb | the most famous McNabb is Donovan McNabb |
| 18:41.06 | lars-ut | emcnabb: What about Connor MacLeod McNabb? |
| 18:46.30 | emcnabb | um |
| 18:46.41 | emcnabb | I don't him |
| 18:47.02 | goozbach | well you shouldn't |
| 18:47.09 | emcnabb | know :-) |
| 18:48.19 | colera | nice! i had one of the most interesting photos of the day on flickr yesterday |
| 18:48.22 | colera | http://www.flickr.com/photos/evalin/78413733 |
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| 18:53.33 | hagna | anyone know of an arbitrary xml editor where you would give it a dtd and it would prompt you for entities and children? |
| 18:53.56 | hagna | like that plist editor on mac but more general |
| 18:56.57 | emcnabb | I love the name of the growisofs option "-use-the-force-luke" |
| 19:08.36 | sjansen | I get very, very little spam. Not sure what I'm doing right, other than never giving my real address to companies I don't trust. |
| 19:09.05 | sjansen | My address is all over the Net like a rash, but when I do get spam it's usually for addresses like admin@ or accounting@. |
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| 19:19.15 | xbmodder_lappy | do you guys know how do "debug" thunderbird's settings |
| 19:24.13 | bonez39 | just bought a dvddrive...it's a pioneer DVR-110d... I switched the data cable, audio cable and power cable from the cdrom drive next to it....... I can't seem to access it though.....what am I missing? |
| 19:26.04 | sjansen | Jumpers? |
| 19:26.07 | graphyx | bonez39: You check the master/slave jumper? |
| 19:26.19 | sjansen | Is the drive on the cable by itself? |
| 19:26.46 | bonez39 | the drive is on the slave cable by itself...nothing else on that cable..no connector in middle of it... |
| 19:27.07 | sjansen | There is no such thing as a slave cable. |
| 19:27.22 | amcnabb | Do you mean the secondary bus? |
| 19:27.39 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, is the BIOS detecting it? |
| 19:27.42 | sjansen | If there is only one connector on the cable, the drive needs to be set to master. (I personally don't trust "cable select".) |
| 19:27.47 | bonez39 | it's on the secondary bus.... |
| 19:27.51 | bonez39 | that's what I meant.... |
| 19:28.04 | amcnabb | Like sjansen said, is it set to Master? |
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| 19:29.19 | bonez39 | amcnabb, well, it's back inside..and running now...the instruction sheet says it's set to 'master' from factory...I haven't verifid this..maybe it works now.... |
| 19:29.37 | bonez39 | how would I test to see if I can read the included driver disk that I put in the drive? |
| 19:29.52 | sjansen | what distro? |
| 19:30.39 | sjansen | Although checking the bios is a good next step, we could jump straight to checking if linux sees it. |
| 19:31.38 | sjansen | If it's a working master on the secondary bus, 'grep v3rd4d#hdc /var/log/messages' should show some info about it. |
| 19:31.39 | xbmodder_lappy | Are any of your IDE drivers working (I assume you have another one)? |
| 19:31.51 | bonez39 | sjansen, debian 3.1 |
| 19:32.31 | bonez39 | sjansen, the grep command just returns a prompt..no errros, no reports |
| 19:33.26 | bonez39 | xbmodder, yeah, I have two ide drives working, plus an SATA drive..... |
| 19:33.32 | sjansen | That should be 'grep -C 3 hdc /var/log/messages' |
| 19:33.46 | bonez39 | I am hoping to get the data moved from the oldes IDE and then take it out and just boot from the SATA... |
| 19:35.03 | bonez39 | sjansen, ok, that provides lots of output...once I run that as 'root' |
| 19:35.23 | sjansen | Anything that looks like a message saying linux recognized the dvd drive? |
| 19:35.27 | bonez39 | Dec 29 12:16:56 fyrenice kernel: hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2000kB Cache |
| 19:35.30 | bonez39 | that shows up.... |
| 19:35.52 | bonez39 | so I guess I browse /dev/hdc to see if I can read the drive? |
| 19:36.13 | bonez39 | Dec 29 12:16:56 fyrenice kernel: hdc: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 19:36.20 | bonez39 | there's another line from further up |
| 19:36.23 | bonez39 | from grep |
| 19:36.32 | sjansen | If your distro has auto-mounting working, yes. otherwise you'll have to manually mount. |
| 19:36.40 | sjansen | Looks like the drive is being recognized. |
| 19:37.24 | bonez39 | ok.....I got this drive so I could watch and listen to David Gilmour...I received a dvd... .. what would you suggest as an application, to view a DVD? |
| 19:38.53 | sjansen | I personally like gxine and ogle although mplayer and vlc are also good. |
| 19:38.55 | goozbach | xine |
| 19:39.17 | sjansen | You do understand the legal status of dvd players in linux, right? |
| 19:40.01 | bonez39 | sjansen, does that have anything to do with that kid from the netherlands? Jon Johnsson? whatever his name is? |
| 19:40.59 | bonez39 | grabbing vlc.... |
| 19:41.14 | bonez39 | is that the one....the kid who ran linux, got a dvd movie, and wanted to play it on his linux machine? |
| 19:41.32 | sjansen | Yup. Basically, Debian can't support DVDs out of the box. You'll need to find add-ons packages to be able to read encrypted DVDs. |
| 19:41.36 | bonez39 | I have paid good $$ to get the disc...I should be able to play it on my machine..right? |
| 19:41.54 | sjansen | Most programs just need livdvdcss installed. |
| 19:42.07 | bonez39 | pretty safe to say that it is encrypted? |
| 19:42.29 | sjansen | That's not what your legislator thinks. |
| 19:42.49 | sjansen | Probably encrypted, I've seen only one or two that weren't. |
| 19:44.20 | findlay | conference? |
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| 19:48.20 | bonez39 | sjansen, I tried 'apt-get install livdvdcss' and it said can't find it.... |
| 19:48.27 | bonez39 | know any other names it might be under? |
| 19:49.12 | findlay | bonez39: you may need to set up a 3rd party repo |
| 19:50.47 | bonez39 | findlay, a 3rd party repo?> |
| 19:51.06 | bonez39 | I found sources.list that I need to add to my system..then I should be able to apt-get it |
| 19:51.42 | byronc | bonez39: libdvdcss2 |
| 19:52.46 | byronc | bonez39: best repository for it is "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ sarge main" |
| 19:53.04 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 19:53.27 | bonez39 | so many hoops....to keep me from this... |
| 19:54.12 | sjansen | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html |
| 19:54.13 | brac | [The Perils of JavaSchools - Joel on Software] |
| 20:03.35 | goozbach | ~spell responible |
| 20:07.12 | bonez39 | byronc, well, I try opening the disc with vlc and i get a momentary flash, and then it closes, before ever showing or opening anything |
| 20:07.30 | bonez39 | trying ogle now |
| 20:08.45 | bonez39 | I installed ogle but it didn't seem to want to start |
| 20:09.25 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ ogle |
| 20:09.26 | bonez39 | libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 20:09.26 | bonez39 | No such file or directory |
| 20:09.26 | bonez39 | ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to open/read the DVD |
| 20:09.26 | bonez39 | DVDSetDVDRoot:: Root not set |
| 20:09.32 | bonez39 | I get that when attempting to run ogle |
| 20:09.50 | findlay | bonez39: sudo ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 20:11.14 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ sudo ln -sf /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 20:11.14 | bonez39 | scott is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:11.24 | bonez39 | how do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 20:11.48 | findlay | you first have to 'su -' |
| 20:11.58 | findlay | then visudo |
| 20:12.14 | findlay | if you've used vi before that is |
| 20:12.27 | bonez39 | I use vi all the time..er...vim... |
| 20:13.50 | bonez39 | I have it open |
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| 20:17.27 | findlay | bonez39: the main idea is to get the /dev/dvd link set up |
| 20:19.42 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 20:20.08 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/dev# ls -al dvd |
| 20:20.08 | bonez39 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Dec 29 13:14 dvd -> /dev/hdc |
| 20:20.14 | bonez39 | that's what I have in my /dev folder |
| 20:20.19 | bonez39 | does that appear to be correct? |
| 20:20.44 | findlay | that looks fine |
| 20:22.30 | bonez39 | hmm now what? |
| 20:22.49 | findlay | does the dvd play now? |
| 20:22.55 | bonez39 | I open vlc and clik on DVD for disc type (not on DVD (menus))...and it still doesn't play with vlc |
| 20:23.05 | bonez39 | opens a black screen momentarily....but then nothing |
| 20:23.18 | bonez39 | I ran apt-get install vlc libdvdcss2 and that ran without error |
| 20:23.39 | findlay | what are the permissions/ownerships on /dev/hdc |
| 20:23.44 | bonez39 | so it's installed..but still not working... |
| 20:23.51 | findlay | and the relevant line in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:23.57 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/dev# ls -al hdc |
| 20:23.57 | bonez39 | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 Dec 29 12:15 hdc |
| 20:24.16 | bonez39 | hmm nothing set in /etc/fstab |
| 20:24.34 | findlay | now type 'groups' |
| 20:24.45 | bonez39 | do I need to set something in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:24.57 | findlay | I'm not sure |
| 20:25.03 | bonez39 | groups just shows 'root' |
| 20:25.05 | bonez39 | as root |
| 20:25.14 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ groups |
| 20:25.14 | bonez39 | scott dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 20:25.18 | bonez39 | there they are as user |
| 20:25.33 | bonez39 | so I am part of group 'cdrom' |
| 20:26.08 | findlay | try mplayer or gxine? |
| 20:28.35 | bonez39 | I can't seem to install mplayer or gxine |
| 20:28.46 | bonez39 | apt-get install on either one returns no package |
| 20:29.14 | byronc | mplayer-586 |
| 20:30.14 | spr | bonez39, do you have libdvdcss2 installed? |
| 20:30.37 | bonez39 | spr, I ran apt-get install libdvdcss2 and it installed fine..... |
| 20:30.47 | spr | ok, just checking. |
| 20:30.48 | bonez39 | spr, I could remove it and reinstall...... |
| 20:31.05 | bonez39 | I had run 'apt-get install vlc libdvdcss2' and it went in fine.. |
| 20:31.36 | spr | hm.. you have libdvdread3? |
| 20:34.15 | bonez39 | let me check |
| 20:34.39 | bonez39 | spr, yeah, already newest version...at least for my debian 3.1 system |
| 20:35.05 | bonez39 | spr, I includes byronc' |
| 20:35.20 | bonez39 | spr, I includes byronc's reference to the merrliat...source..and now it's upgrading my libdvdcss2 |
| 20:35.32 | bonez39 | so maybe mine was just not up to date |
| 20:35.46 | spr | might be, are you running vlc from a terminal? |
| 20:36.51 | spr | byronc, what dvd? |
| 20:36.54 | bonez39 | no, I hit alt-f2 and it opens a run prompt..I enter vlc and it closes then opens vlc |
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| 20:37.19 | spr | bonez39, try from a terminal, might catch an error message that way |
| 20:37.29 | byronc | spr: jarsofclay concert dvd :) |
| 20:37.47 | spr | byronc, interesting, seems unusual |
| 20:38.29 | bonez39 | [00000258] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000 |
| 20:38.29 | bonez39 | [00000269] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) |
| 20:38.37 | bonez39 | there's the first error.in the terminal output |
| 20:38.50 | bonez39 | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) |
| 20:38.50 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.50 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.50 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.50 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.51 | bonez39 | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x3dfd)! |
| 20:38.53 | bonez39 | Segmentation fault |
| 20:38.55 | bonez39 | that's the rest of the error..... |
| 20:39.05 | findlay | byronc: you are in violation of the DMCA, and by admitting to owning an unencrypted DVD you will have to spend the rest of your life eating pretzels without water |
| 20:39.18 | bonez39 | the prior stuff shows vlc getting keys to open the various parts |
| 20:39.35 | findlay | segmentation fault is bad |
| 20:39.39 | bonez39 | [00000258] a52 decoder: A/52 channels:6 samplerate:48000 bitrate:448000 |
| 20:39.39 | bonez39 | [00000269] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) |
| 20:39.44 | bonez39 | that's just prior to that other stuff |
| 20:40.21 | spr | hm, are you using alsa? |
| 20:40.47 | bonez39 | it's an older system.....266 mhz pentium II, but still...it should be able to play a dvd.. |
| 20:40.54 | bonez39 | I have about 298mb RAM.. |
| 20:41.14 | bonez39 | I think I am running alsa... |
| 20:42.10 | spr | it might just be an error with the audio, see if you change the audio settings in vlc to use alsa (it's using oss right now) |
| 20:43.52 | findlay | bonez39: does /dev/dsp even exist? if you have the alsa oss compatibility layer in the kernel it should be there |
| 20:44.03 | findlay | does audio work with other applications? |
| 20:44.12 | bonez39 | well, I throw an audio disc in and get no sound... |
| 20:44.26 | bonez39 | but audio works from a stream or .mp3 on the hdd.. |
| 20:44.51 | bonez39 | when I put an audio cd in, it recognized it and opens the simple cd player..on my system.... |
| 20:45.21 | bonez39 | but no, , no sound on audio cd's... |
| 20:45.27 | bonez39 | maybe I have it hooked up incorrectly.... |
| 20:45.38 | bonez39 | it's confusing me..bigtime... |
| 20:45.51 | bonez39 | would audio make the dvd not play at all? if audio isn't set up right? |
| 20:46.35 | bonez39 | when I put the dvd drive in, Just moved all the connectors (power, data, audio) over to the new drive..from existing cdrom |
| 20:46.51 | bonez39 | hmmmm |
| 20:46.56 | spr | hm, audio shouldn't be stopping playing. |
| 20:47.12 | bonez39 | very strange..what about the /dev/dsp issu? |
| 20:47.50 | bonez39 | in /dev I have a file /dev/dspW but no just /dev/dsp |
| 20:48.44 | spr | hm..weird. Turn the volume down a bit and try doing 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dspW' |
| 20:49.10 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/dev# cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dspW |
| 20:49.10 | bonez39 | bash: /dev/dspW: No such device |
| 20:49.10 | spr | (it's a bit staticy, and can be a bit loud, cancel with ctrl-c) |
| 20:49.15 | bonez39 | very strange.... |
| 20:49.32 | spr | hm. I'm confused. Do you have a /dev/sound/ directory? |
| 20:49.55 | bonez39 | no, no /dev/sound |
| 20:50.19 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/dev# ls -al ds* |
| 20:50.19 | bonez39 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8404992 2005-12-29 13:52 dsp |
| 20:50.19 | bonez39 | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 5 2005-12-29 12:15 dspW |
| 20:50.26 | bonez39 | I misstated before.... |
| 20:51.57 | sjansen | bonez39: Admit it! You lied! Lied! LIED! |
| 20:52.07 | findlay | maybe 'chown root,audio /dev/dsp' |
| 20:53.43 | bonez39 | sjansen, yeah, I lied... |
| 20:54.18 | byronc | whoa, looks like /dev/dsp is not what it should be on your system (it's a normal file, not a character device) |
| 20:54.39 | findlay | true |
| 20:54.52 | bonez39 | ok, how do I change it? |
| 20:55.00 | sjansen | byronc: Does deb 3.1 use udev or devfs? |
| 20:55.04 | findlay | 8404992 is pretty big for a file |
| 20:55.06 | bonez39 | and the chown command fails |
| 20:55.21 | findlay | device file |
| 20:55.41 | findlay | bonez39: looks like something overwrote it somehow (: |
| 20:55.46 | tensai | sjansen: devfs is only used in the installer (for whatever bizarre reason). udev is supported, but default is a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:55.48 | graphyx | do you have a /dev/sound/dsp listing? |
| 20:55.59 | graphyx | my /dev/dsp points to /dev/sound/dsp |
| 20:56.26 | byronc | sjansen: I always install udev, and the installer uses udev.... I think it's just a static /dev filesystem by default |
| 20:56.35 | byronc | sjansen: installer uses devfs that is |
| 20:56.36 | sjansen | byronc: would an 'rm /dev/dsp ; MAKEDEV /dev/dsp' fix it on Debian? |
| 20:57.06 | byronc | sjansen: should do the trick |
| 20:57.54 | sjansen | bonez39: try that then |
| 20:58.31 | byronc | cd |
| 20:58.39 | byronc | doh, wrong terminal |
| 21:09.59 | findlay | will somebody solve all of my problems? |
| 21:10.05 | findlay | ibot maybe |
| 21:10.07 | ibot | somebody said maybe was maybe, or the opposite of maybe |
| 21:10.15 | findlay | ~solve all of my problems |
| 21:10.34 | findlay | thanks ibot |
| 21:12.46 | emcnabb | invoke goozbach |
| 21:17.38 | emcnabb | invoke goozbach |
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| 21:38.47 | sjansen | ~lart SBC |
| 21:39.36 | emcnabb | sjansen, violence is not the answer |
| 21:39.46 | emcnabb | you need therapy young lad |
| 21:42.32 | spr | ~sword emcnabb |
| 21:42.53 | emcnabb | ~grouphug |
| 21:42.54 | ibot | ACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better... |
| 21:43.12 | emcnabb | I thought ibot said some bad words in there... |
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| 21:47.48 | macnewbold | anyone have any experience with that Computer Warehouse place that offers used computers for $100? I've heard them on the radio, but haven't been there yet |
| 21:50.21 | sjansen | ~lart ipsec |
| 21:50.52 | sjansen | Whoa! When did it become Thursday? |
| 21:52.15 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.39 | goozbach | at 00:00 |
| 21:52.54 | graphyx | mheath is that uyou |
| 21:53.16 | graphyx | ? |
| 21:53.18 | goozbach | it became afternoon at 12:00 |
| 21:53.19 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:53.28 | emcnabb | sjansen, go back to sleep |
| 22:07.12 | hagna | ibot: what is the punchline of the latest dilbert comic strip |
| 22:07.14 | ibot | hagna: I think you lost me on that one |
| 22:07.22 | hagna | ibot: I'll bet you dumb bot |
| 22:07.52 | hagna | ibot: I'll bet, you dumb bot |
| 22:08.05 | hagna | ibot: I'll bet, you, dumb bot |
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| 22:12.08 | QBFreak | I seem to have borked file permissions for named and I could use some pointers on what to check/try |
| 22:12.30 | QBFreak | the error I get is this: Dec 29 22:10:41 localhost named[25713]: none:0: open: /etc/named.conf: permission denied |
| 22:12.45 | QBFreak | yet near as I can tell /etc/named.conf (in the chroot) is ok |
| 22:13.05 | QBFreak | -rw-rw-r-- 1 named named 1556 Dec 29 17:10 named.conf |
| 22:13.52 | goozbach | make sure the directories above it are accessable |
| 22:13.57 | goozbach | 755 should do |
| 22:14.22 | QBFreak | just the dir that contains it? |
| 22:14.30 | QBFreak | it's in /var/named/chroot/etc/ |
| 22:14.57 | goozbach | what does ls -ld /var/named/chroot/etc/ say? |
| 22:15.11 | QBFreak | aha! 755 on chroot and chroot/etc fixed it |
| 22:15.39 | QBFreak | drwxr-xr-x 2 root named 4096 Dec 29 17:10 /var/named/chroot/etc/ |
| 22:15.49 | QBFreak | thank you so much |
| 22:16.01 | QBFreak | I still don't quite have a firm grasp on file permissions :) |
| 22:19.37 | QBFreak | I was asked to see if I could set up a samba share to make it easier to edit the zone files, but I'm not sure I can easilly do that for an arbitrary user can I? I was running into permission problems (which is how I broke it) |
| 22:29.01 | goozbach | eek! editing zone files via samba... |
| 22:29.13 | goozbach | shell access and vim |
| 22:29.43 | QBFreak | well that's how I do it |
| 22:29.45 | goozbach | or there's a webmin interface |
| 22:30.03 | QBFreak | but I was asked if it could be done with say textpad from the comfort of their windows box :) |
| 22:30.09 | QBFreak | oh? |
| 22:30.13 | QBFreak | I'll look into that |
| 22:30.22 | QBFreak | tomorrow is my last day, that makes things even more fun |
| 22:35.13 | goozbach | tell them to invest in some linux training for the new guy. http://gurulabs.com :) |
| 22:35.40 | QBFreak | there is no new guy, and no money for training, otherwise they'd still have me |
| 22:36.03 | goozbach | heh |
| 22:36.11 | goozbach | ouch |
| 22:36.16 | QBFreak | we're a small group that does our own thing and tries not to piss off corporate enough to notice us :) |
| 22:36.25 | goozbach | tell them "good luck" |
| 22:36.40 | QBFreak | I'm looking into webmin |
| 22:37.24 | QBFreak | my dad will most likely be the one making any changes needed for DNS, he's familiar with bind zone files, but from the VMS days |
| 22:37.44 | QBFreak | doesn't know where they are on here or how to use vim |
| 22:37.53 | QBFreak | I'll prob end up leaving instructions |
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| 22:46.38 | Uncle_Jesse | QBFreak: just be sure to bill them $100/hour for every time they call you afterwards for help/questions :-) |
| 22:47.13 | QBFreak | well our problem is we can't get permission to hire anyone |
| 22:47.23 | QBFreak | and so that's all that is left |
| 22:47.27 | Uncle_Jesse | exactly - that's the problem |
| 22:47.43 | QBFreak | I'm a temp, contract expired and they're having trouble getting it renewed |
| 22:47.59 | QBFreak | I can't work any later than the 31st |
| 22:48.52 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - if they can't get a job done because you're not there any more then maybe they'll find a way to pay for it. That's why I'd charge them any time they contact you afterwards |
| 22:49.29 | QBFreak | we did discuss getting licensed for business so they could pay me for services |
| 22:49.45 | Uncle_Jesse | licensed for business? |
| 22:49.58 | QBFreak | or registered |
| 22:50.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't think you technically "have" to be registered as a business in Utah if you are just doing consulting |
| 22:50.35 | Uncle_Jesse | only if you have a physical location I believe |
| 22:50.36 | QBFreak | heh, actually... |
| 22:50.49 | QBFreak | I'm only here cause Tene suggested it a while back when I got stuck on something |
| 22:51.36 | QBFreak | . o O ( and it goes quite while they decide how to throw me out ) |
| 22:52.03 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd verify with your state, but I'd doubt you'd have to be registered as a business in most states, and unless you make above a certain amount, the amount it costs to register as an S-Corp or LLC isn't worth it |
| 22:52.23 | QBFreak | yeah, Iv'e got friends who did and LLC, something like $300 to have someone do it all for you |
| 22:52.39 | QBFreak | there's another guy who used to work here who rents and office downstairs, has his own business, I need to talk to him |
| 22:52.41 | Uncle_Jesse | to me it's not worth it unless you're making above $10k a year |
| 22:52.54 | QBFreak | err an office |
| 22:53.16 | Uncle_Jesse | if you plan on going into full-time business on your own though it might be worth it, as well as registering with the state |
| 22:53.24 | Uncle_Jesse | depending on the laws of your state |
| 22:53.26 | QBFreak | nah, just stuff on the side here and there |
| 22:53.48 | QBFreak | I think I have to register either way, it's finding information on local requirements that's a pain (county/city) |
| 22:53.53 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: You are considering liability, right? |
| 22:57.23 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: there is always a small risk, but to me it isn't worth it unless you are making so much. With a good contract you can avoid most of those liability issues. |
| 22:57.31 | QBFreak | goozbach: thank you for suggesting webmin, that looks a good solution |
| 22:57.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't make enough for anyone to take much money from me anyway. |
| 22:58.27 | Uncle_Jesse | If it was worth someone suing me, then maybe I'd incorporate |
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| 23:00.10 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/home/scott# rm /dev/dsp ; MAKEDEV /dev/dsp |
| 23:00.10 | bonez39 | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/dsp" |
| 23:00.22 | bonez39 | sjansen, I tried that...was out of office a bit.... |
| 23:02.26 | bonez39 | sjansen, any comment? |
| 23:02.50 | sjansen | Uhm... bummer? |
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| 23:03.06 | bonez39 | is my MAKEDEV not working right? |
| 23:03.28 | roscivs | Looking for something to convert a PAF file to a gedcom. (From Linux.) Any ideas? |
| 23:03.46 | macnewbold | roscivs: I think GRAMPS can do that |
| 23:03.52 | macnewbold | but maybe not |
| 23:03.58 | macnewbold | I know it deals in gedcom at least |
| 23:04.01 | roscivs | macnewbold: Checked the web page and it didn't mention anything, |
| 23:04.05 | roscivs | only talked about gedcoms. |
| 23:04.08 | sjansen | bonez39: ls /etc/udev* | wc -l |
| 23:04.34 | macnewbold | I'm not sure that anything but PAF deals in PAF files... you may have to get it to a gedcom first, then move to linux. |
| 23:04.43 | sjansen | roscivs: hans/elg is a good person to ask that question |
| 23:05.04 | roscivs | Anyone have a copy of PAF 3 lying around? I hear that runs well under dosbox, |
| 23:05.08 | roscivs | but I can't find a copy anywhere. |
| 23:05.14 | roscivs | And I couldn't get PAF 5's installer to wine. |
| 23:05.27 | hans | roscivs: amcnabb is good at paf and wine |
| 23:05.32 | bonez39 | scott@fyrenice:~$ ls /etc/udev* | wc -l |
| 23:05.32 | bonez39 | 11 |
| 23:05.37 | bonez39 | sjansen, there ya go |
| 23:05.40 | hans | I recommend you bite the bullet and go to your neighbor and use paf to generate the gedcom |
| 23:05.54 | hans | or grandma, mom, sister, whatever |
| 23:06.00 | hans | (or if you have a dual-boot box) |
| 23:06.07 | roscivs | hmmm. maybe that's the best way. |
| 23:06.11 | bonez39 | will Windows Media Player, play a DVD? |
| 23:06.14 | macnewbold | easiest, for sure |
| 23:06.16 | roscivs | (i do have a dual-boot laptop) |
| 23:06.19 | sjansen | bonez39: looks like you migt be using udev, /dev/dsp might come back when you reboot |
| 23:06.25 | macnewbold | bonez39: last I checked, no |
| 23:06.43 | goozbach | what does the declaration extern in a c header do? |
| 23:07.17 | hans | says that there's a variable that was declared and defined externally |
| 23:07.40 | hans | basically, keeps the compiler from complaining, without actually defining that var |
| 23:07.54 | jlp_work | it "declares" the variable, as opposed to "defining" it |
| 23:07.57 | bonez39 | hmmm |
| 23:07.58 | bonez39 | ok |
| 23:08.01 | hans | i.e. it needs to be defined somewhere else, usually to be resolved at link time. |
| 23:08.04 | sjansen | goozbach: inserts a place holder than can be used for linking later |
| 23:09.51 | goozbach | well it's defined as a static later on |
| 23:10.01 | goozbach | but gcc is complaining |
| 23:10.25 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:10.25 | jlp_work | the static definition "defines" it (and allocates the storage for it) |
| 23:10.30 | macnewbold | because it is redefined? |
| 23:10.59 | goozbach | well, the build was failing with this error: |
| 23:11.24 | goozbach | source/_ctypes.c:3883: error: static declaration of ‘Pointer_Type’ follows non-static declaration |
| 23:11.27 | goozbach | source/ctypes.h:101: error: previous declaration of ‘Pointer_Type’ was here |
| 23:11.30 | goozbach | error: command 'gcc' failed with exit status 1 |
| 23:11.47 | macnewbold | right |
| 23:11.55 | macnewbold | it's complaining because it's defined twice |
| 23:12.18 | macnewbold | you would at least need to make them both be static, or get rid of one of them |
| 23:12.24 | macnewbold | probably the extern, I'd think |
| 23:12.34 | goozbach | so it shouldn't be declared as an extern in the header? |
| 23:13.36 | jlp_work | bash$ cat x.c |
| 23:13.39 | jlp_work | extern int foo; |
| 23:13.41 | jlp_work | static int foo; |
| 23:13.47 | jlp_work | gcc -c x.c |
| 23:13.49 | jlp_work | works fine |
| 23:14.05 | goozbach | hmm |
| 23:14.08 | macnewbold | weird |
| 23:14.11 | goozbach | so it SHOULD work? |
| 23:14.22 | jlp_work | is Pointer_Type a typedef? can you show me those two lines from the two files? |
| 23:15.15 | goozbach | static PyTypeObject Pointer_Type = { |
| 23:15.29 | goozbach | that's from _ctypes.c |
| 23:15.44 | goozbach | extern PyTypeObject Pointer_Type; |
| 23:15.51 | sjansen | ~hug unicode |
| 23:15.53 | ibot | ACTION hugs unicode |
| 23:15.58 | goozbach | that's from the ctypes.h |
| 23:16.33 | jlp_work | so it's defined as static first, then declared as extern later |
| 23:16.35 | sjansen | see, I'd be included to think you need to get rid of the static |
| 23:16.39 | jlp_work | yeah, it shouldn't be static |
| 23:16.52 | goozbach | changing the extern to static in ctypes.h the compile no longer fails |
| 23:18.09 | macnewbold | cool |
| 23:18.11 | sjansen | static is used to make a global variable invisible outside of a file, or to make local variables persistent across function calls |
| 23:18.31 | goozbach | I just want to know why it works |
| 23:18.47 | sjansen | (danger will robinson, be carefull about re-entrancy, danger will robinson) |
| 23:19.43 | jlp_work | well, it shouldn't be static iff you want to reference that particular chunk of memory from other modules |
| 23:19.52 | jlp_work | it shouldn't be extern if it's static |
| 23:20.17 | goozbach | and THIS is why I hate C |
| 23:20.35 | sjansen | jlp_work: unless it's actually two different variable that happen to have the same name |
| 23:20.59 | sjansen | in which case goozbach is in for a fun time debugging things later |
| 23:21.00 | jlp_work | sjansen: true, but you wouldn't want to declare it as both static and extern in the same source file |
| 23:21.01 | goozbach | it's just a stupid lib that I need for my stupid music tagger |
| 23:21.38 | goozbach | I guess I could just install altlinux (which is where I'm stealing this .src.rpm from) |
| 23:22.02 | goozbach | well, wish me luck |
| 23:22.06 | goozbach | I just installed it |
| 23:34.54 | hans | what lib? |
| 23:36.13 | goozbach | libmusicbrainz python binding |
| 23:36.48 | hans | *shudder* |
| 23:36.59 | hans | musicbrainz is a really neat concept. I'll leave it at that |
| 23:37.26 | goozbach | I want to re-tag all my music |
| 23:37.42 | goozbach | musicbrainz has done the best so far |
| 23:37.47 | hans | I just renamed, tagged, etc. all my music |
| 23:37.53 | hans | not so much re-tagging, but yeah |
| 23:38.12 | hans | I did it because I got an mp3 player. you too? |
| 23:38.36 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:38.51 | goozbach | er going to get an ipod nano |
| 23:39.04 | hans | what I did was a little involved, but worked pretty well |
| 23:39.07 | macnewbold | ~ipod++ |
| 23:39.12 | goozbach | what did you do? |
| 23:39.51 | hans | first I went through with juk and tagged everything without tags (using its musicbrainz functionality, juk is the only thing with musicbrainz support I could get to run at all) |
| 23:40.32 | goozbach | I've been using amarok to do that |
| 23:40.33 | hans | then I went through with easytag and made sure the tags were well-formed, etc. |
| 23:41.10 | hans | then I wrote a little ruby script that uses the ruby binding to taglib, that made hard links according to my preferred naming style |
| 23:41.28 | hans | (I highly recommend hardlinks, btw.) |
| 23:41.38 | goozbach | hmm care to send me your script? |
| 23:41.39 | hans | hardlinks in a different dir (/av/music.new) |
| 23:41.41 | hans | sure |
| 23:42.02 | hans | then I took care of the few anomalies, and moved /av/music to /av/music.old, and moved the music.new in place |
| 23:42.23 | hans | when I'm really satisfied, I'll delete the old tree |
| 23:42.39 | hans | taglib is a joy to work with |
| 23:43.42 | hans | eventually I'll go through and fix the genre tags on everything to suit me |
| 23:43.52 | hans | and then move things into genre folders |
| 23:43.54 | hans | maybe |
| 23:47.18 | hans | I want to measure packet loss with SNMP. Anyone know which things I should graph? |
| 23:47.29 | hans | Tcp: RtoAlgorithm RtoMin RtoMax MaxConn ActiveOpens PassiveOpens AttemptFails EstabResets CurrEstab InSegs OutSegs RetransSegs InErrs OutRsts |
| 23:47.33 | hans | Tcp: 1 200 120000 -1 80870 189083 19 12336 37 12835217 10605145 258517 1087 74061 |
| 23:54.04 | sjansen | ~lart ipsec |
| 23:54.45 | goozbach | hans: thanks |
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