| 00:00.26 | hans | i'm not sure what constitutes normal bonding setup, but you'd definitely need to choose the right kind of bonding |
| 00:00.34 | hans | there's quite a few choices as I recall |
| 00:01.07 | TimRiker | the linux module supports at least 6 modes. I think mode xor (4?) and mode 6 are possibilities. |
| 00:01.09 | hans | i reckon the best setup would include switches aware of what's going on |
| 00:01.18 | hans | but that's just a guess |
| 00:01.26 | goozbach | it hasn't stopped raining since I got here |
| 00:01.27 | hans | it would also be the more expensive setup. :) |
| 00:01.48 | hans | btw, did you get my bug report? |
| 00:02.00 | TimRiker | well. gotta run for tonight. I'll abuse the networks next week. ;-) |
| 00:02.06 | TimRiker | hans: on which? |
| 00:02.12 | hans | bzflag |
| 00:02.19 | hans | debian |
| 00:02.24 | TimRiker | don't recall. I get a lot of them. |
| 00:02.35 | hans | i discovered it don't work on linux ppc |
| 00:02.55 | TimRiker | ah... the decompressing issue. yes. i've not yet tracked it down. |
| 00:02.55 | goozbach | I should figure out why it won't run on my system |
| 00:03.14 | TimRiker | gcc on osX works peachy. gcc on linuxppc does not. |
| 00:03.27 | hans | looked like it might be related to the other decompressing one that it looked like the problem was gcc4 |
| 00:03.39 | goozbach | is there a command like partprobe, but for ram? |
| 00:03.55 | TimRiker | I upgraded my ppc box to unstable/gcc4 and I'll try to track it down sometime. |
| 00:04.01 | TimRiker | patches welcome though. ;-) |
| 00:04.04 | goozbach | I just increased my system ram (using XEN) but I don't want to reboot to get more ram. |
| 00:04.21 | TimRiker | partprobe? |
| 00:04.33 | goozbach | it refreshed the kernel partition table |
| 00:04.38 | goozbach | er refresshes |
| 00:04.54 | TimRiker | goozbach: there are some hotswap ram patches around, but they are not part of the normal kernels last I knew. |
| 00:04.55 | goozbach | no more rebooting after fdisk :) |
| 00:05.00 | sjansen | it'd probably be a xen command |
| 00:05.11 | goozbach | sjansen: I did the XEN command |
| 00:05.27 | goozbach | but the os doesn't see the additional ram |
| 00:05.28 | sjansen | if xen didn't signal the kernel itself, it probably can't be done |
| 00:05.42 | TimRiker | sjansen: like I say, non-mainstream patches. |
| 00:05.53 | sjansen | xen tries to take advantage of existing kernel infrstructure to signal such stuff |
| 00:06.09 | sjansen | TimRiker: k |
| 00:06.41 | goozbach | ohh I'm loving my XENIFIED laptop btw |
| 00:07.02 | TimRiker | well, I'm off. grab me on linkedin.com if you like. ;-) happy holidays if I don't catch ya before that. |
| 00:07.15 | sjansen | goozbach: what distro's are you running |
| 00:07.27 | goozbach | DOM-0 is FC4 |
| 00:08.07 | goozbach | I've got a cAos, FC4, gentoo, and I'm currently bootstrapping a debian image |
| 00:13.25 | pjw | goozbach: what is it about having XEN on your laptop that you like? |
| 00:15.28 | goozbach | "I wonder what this command does in $DISTRO?" |
| 00:15.55 | goozbach | that, and it's my test bed for the virtulation company I've got going on the side |
| 00:17.08 | pjw | so, you're mainly using it to run different distros for testing and playing? |
| 00:18.00 | goozbach | yup |
| 00:18.06 | hans | ~spell virtulation |
| 00:18.24 | goozbach | hans: you know I can't spell |
| 00:18.39 | goozbach | it's against my religioun |
| 00:19.14 | sjansen | what religioun is that? |
| 00:19.24 | hans | mod_speling |
| 00:20.02 | goozbach | I'm a spelifarian |
| 00:20.15 | goozbach | it's a splinter group of the pastafarians |
| 00:28.31 | hans | notify the register!!! |
| 00:29.49 | sjansen | west wing++ |
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| 00:30.39 | goozbach | sjansen: but wait till I create an article so that the register can be behind again |
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| 01:23.30 | spr | ~lart Gtk2::ProgressBar |
| 01:23.59 | synic | spr: hehe, how come? |
| 01:29.43 | spr | synic, documentation is lacking. Trying to get a working progress bar, and I'm having trouble with it. |
| 01:31.10 | synic | spr: what kind of trouble? |
| 01:32.52 | spr | Well, I'm building the progress bar, and then I want to start a little while loop that updates the bar from within it. |
| 01:33.23 | spr | All the spots where I've tried to start the while loop end up blocking the drawing of the window with the progress bar |
| 01:34.48 | synic | spr: there's a method you can use to make the UI update |
| 01:34.56 | sjansen | spr: paste the loop at paste.lisp.org |
| 01:35.00 | synic | I've never worked with gtk2-perl, but I'm sure it's similar |
| 01:35.07 | synic | lemme see if I can find the c++ equivalent |
| 01:35.38 | spr | sjansen, the loop, or the whole dialog and progress bar building? |
| 01:36.07 | sjansen | I'm most interested in the loop, but paste the whole thing if it isn't too long. |
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| 01:38.27 | spr | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14928 |
| 01:39.33 | synic | spr: does it just seem to skip everything and go to 100% ? |
| 01:39.37 | hans | ~gag |
| 01:39.38 | ibot | A graphical boot manager, with a lot of interesting features.. URL: http://www.arrakis.es/~scostas/gageng.htm |
| 01:39.46 | spr | That should give you all the relevant code |
| 01:39.54 | hans | ibot, you fool |
| 01:39.55 | ibot | aah, who's the fool now hans |
| 01:40.04 | hans | that would be you |
| 01:40.33 | spr | synic, it'll hang for about 10 seconds then display with a 100% |
| 01:40.52 | synic | spr: yeah... I dunno what it's called, but there's a method you can call that says "update the UI now" |
| 01:40.58 | spr | hm. |
| 01:41.05 | synic | you wouldn't want to do it every iteration... maybe every 10 or so |
| 01:42.49 | spr | Think I found it, Gtk2::Gdk->flush |
| 01:43.06 | synic | hrmm... doesn't sound familiar, but give it a try |
| 01:43.28 | sjansen | doesn't sound right, gdk is the drawing layer |
| 01:43.39 | sjansen | it's more likely to be in glib or gtk itself |
| 01:43.46 | spr | yeah, that's not quite it. |
| 01:43.56 | synic | seems like it was Gtk::Main::Update or something similar |
| 01:45.08 | spr | hm.. well I've got to run for a little bit, thanks for the help |
| 01:49.08 | synic | spr: hrmm, the C function is gtk_main_iteration... so maybe gtk2::main::iteration |
| 02:00.13 | spr | synic, using that in the loop works, thanks! |
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| 02:00.36 | synic | spr: np |
| 02:21.23 | sjansen | spr: you probably want something more like http://paste.lisp.org/display/14930 |
| 02:23.29 | sjansen | modal to avoid reentrance issues, respect cancel, handle all pending events, handle events at end of loop to avoid problems if cancel occurs |
| 02:27.05 | spr | sjansen, thanks |
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| 03:52.01 | Mecworks | Just finished modding one of my T-Amps... :) Sounds good :) |
| 03:53.04 | levi | What'd you change? |
| 04:02.38 | hans | blasted computer keeps wasting me |
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| 04:45.48 | Mecworks | levi, I chagned the input caps and POT, desinged a custom power supply and changed all the contacts to high quality gold plated RCA (input) and binding posts (output). |
| 05:00.49 | levi | Sounds like far too much work. |
| 05:01.19 | levi | That amount of work would only be justified if it make something go much faster. ;) |
| 05:01.44 | jlp | should have just painted some stripes on the side |
| 05:03.17 | Tene | so... how exactly can an amp go "faster"? |
| 05:09.01 | Mecworks | Well, it sounds oh so much better. I guess that counts IMO. |
| 05:09.38 | Mecworks | I'll post pics and a description on my blog when I have time. |
| 05:10.00 | Mecworks | maybe tomorrow |
| 05:10.28 | levi | tene: It can't, so I wouldn't waste my time. ;) |
| 05:10.46 | Mecworks | It has nice clean base with clean mids and highs. Much better than the stock t-amp. |
| 05:11.33 | levi | Mecworks: I thought those things were already supposed to sound like zillion-dollar audiophile gear. Are they now super-ultra-perfect or something? |
| 05:11.36 | Mecworks | Next project extension is adding a non-oversampling DAC |
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| 05:13.04 | Mecworks | Yeah - they sound really good. But the surface mount input caps make the base roll off at a fairly high frequency. Changeing them out and bypassing the input RC filters reduces noise and lowers the lowpass cut-off. It sounds even better. |
| 05:14.07 | levi | Mecworks: You need to source the chip used in the thing, make your own design, and sell it through audiophile magazines for zillions of bucks. |
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| 05:14.32 | dilvie | hi |
| 05:15.03 | Mecworks | the custom power supply adds power for base and trebble spikes - much more capable than the batteries or a wall adapter. The power supply I designed delivers regulated 5A @ 13v. |
| 05:15.27 | dilvie | http://www.phil801.com/devutah/index.php?title=User:Dilvie <-- I'm this guy |
| 05:15.52 | dilvie | I heard of this channel from this guy: http://rikers.org/ |
| 05:15.53 | brac | [Tim Riker World] |
| 05:15.55 | mheath | gah, I need to find a new java IDE |
| 05:16.03 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 05:16.06 | Mecworks | levi, Actually, people are modding these things and reselling them anywhere from $250 to $2500+ depending on the mods and the quality of the componants used. |
| 05:17.17 | levi | Mecworks: Sounds loony to me, but good for them. :) |
| 05:17.23 | Mecworks | :) |
| 05:17.26 | levi | dilvie: Hi. |
| 05:17.48 | levi | dilvie: You make electronic music, eh? That's pretty cool. |
| 05:17.55 | hans | dilvie: the dilvie? |
| 05:17.57 | hans | I love your stuff |
| 05:18.37 | Mecworks | Hey dilvie. I think I've seen you around. |
| 05:18.44 | Mecworks | your pic looks familiar |
| 05:19.01 | dilvie | The dilvie, yes. |
| 05:19.19 | dilvie | <-- very minor celeb |
| 05:19.21 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 05:19.32 | Mecworks | :) |
| 05:19.40 | hans | well welcome. I'm off to bed, but hang around sometimes. |
| 05:19.52 | dilvie | Will do. |
| 05:20.48 | dilvie | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2005/12/daily_news_podc_23.html <-- dilvie.geekpoints++ |
| 05:20.48 | Mecworks | dilvie, Hey, I recognize the art work on http://www.knobtweakers.net/ A friend of mine drew it - Erik Ratcliffe. |
| 05:20.55 | brac | [InformationWeek | Business Innovation Powered By Technology] |
| 05:21.47 | dilvie | Mecworks: Yeah, it's a small world, eh? =) |
| 05:22.07 | dilvie | is anybody going out tonight? |
| 05:22.50 | Mecworks | :) Erik and I worked together at Caldera and knew each other at the U before that. |
| 05:23.06 | dilvie | Really? Very cool. |
| 05:23.11 | xbmodder | dilvie, sup |
| 05:23.19 | Mecworks | Yeah, he's a brain. |
| 05:23.26 | dilvie | hi xbmodder. =) |
| 05:23.51 | dilvie | Anybody in SLC wanna hit a club with me tonight? |
| 05:23.51 | Mecworks | Wish I could go out tonight. I'm recovering from a cold...suck! |
| 05:23.59 | dilvie | mecworks: d'oh! |
| 05:24.09 | Mecworks | yup ..... |
| 05:24.22 | dilvie | my wife has been hacking up lungs for a solid week.. It's a good thing they grow back (they do, don't they?) |
| 05:24.47 | Mecworks | :) Mine take a long time to grow back unfortunately |
| 05:24.52 | dilvie | I fought off my cold a few weeks ago. |
| 05:25.07 | Mecworks | glad you won |
| 05:26.23 | dilvie | yeah, me too. |
| 05:27.20 | dilvie | I had a friend who was not so lucky. http://www.knobtweakers.net/2005/04/ben-diablo-shelton-1974-2005.html |
| 05:27.24 | tensai | my wife passed her cold to me. how sweet. |
| 05:28.13 | dilvie | tensai: sharing is caring! |
| 05:28.49 | sjansen | looks like I'm going to dodge it, my mother was sick when I got here, and it's been pretty rough on the town, but I'm still feeling fine |
| 05:28.54 | Mecworks | Sorry to hear about Ben. |
| 05:29.23 | Mecworks | sjansen, where's here? |
| 05:30.15 | sjansen | lovelock, nevada (aka: podunk middl'uh nowhere) |
| 05:30.15 | tensai | hickville north dakota |
| 05:30.22 | dilvie | if there are some demoscene geeks here, you've probably heard of Ben, or the Hornet archive, at least. |
| 05:30.41 | sjansen | tensai: we left ND years ago |
| 05:31.08 | dilvie | I think I've driven through lovelock? It sounds familiar. |
| 05:31.17 | tensai | sjansen: you must be so sad |
| 05:31.40 | dilvie | I have family in Vegas and Reno. |
| 05:32.18 | Mecworks | dilvie, listening to Christmas Layers now. it's good. |
| 05:32.39 | sjansen | it's half way between reno and winnemucca |
| 05:34.03 | dilvie | Chirstmas Layers was written by my friend, Xerxes. He's a master of ambient/laid back electronica. |
| 05:34.12 | dilvie | His stuff is great as a meditation soundtrack. |
| 05:34.17 | dilvie | highly recommended. |
| 05:34.22 | dilvie | Check out the rest of the album. |
| 05:35.09 | dilvie | sjansen: yeah, on i-80.. I drove through there last year. |
| 05:39.04 | dilvie | mecworks: do you have a homepage, blog, or something along those lines? |
| 05:40.14 | sjansen | http://blog.mecworks.com/ |
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| 05:45.47 | dilvie | yay B$1,864.50 |
| 05:46.36 | sjansen | B? |
| 05:47.41 | dilvie | blogshares valuation |
| 05:47.44 | dilvie | oh my |
| 05:47.53 | dilvie | B$9,607.39 <-- knobtweakers.net valuation |
| 05:47.57 | dilvie | hahaha |
| 05:48.05 | dilvie | it's worth a lot more than that to me! |
| 05:50.42 | Mecworks | dilvie, blog.mecworks.com |
| 05:50.45 | Mecworks | sjansen, thx |
| 05:50.59 | Mecworks | hopped in the shower. |
| 05:53.47 | dilvie | that might be a good investment. |
| 05:54.06 | dilvie | we'll be around a good long time. =) |
| 05:57.00 | Mecworks | hm. Unfortunately Sean Flow owns all the avaialble shares... :( |
| 05:57.31 | xbmodder | dilvie, you don't seem conservative enough to be a Utahnian |
| 05:58.55 | mheath | xbmodder: And you don't seem intelligent enough to be a human ;) |
| 05:59.14 | dilvie | Did somebody find Reality Check? |
| 05:59.16 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/reality/ |
| 06:02.58 | xbmodder | mheath, very funny! |
| 06:03.00 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 06:03.01 | dilvie | I'm fiscally conservative, and liberal when it comes to personal liberties. |
| 06:03.18 | xbmodder | ah. fun. I wish my principal was like you |
| 06:03.25 | xbmodder | well, now he is going to get bashed :) |
| 06:08.47 | dilvie | IMO, the best thing about republicans is fiscal responsibility |
| 06:08.55 | dilvie | Bush doesn't even get that right. |
| 06:08.57 | dilvie | =P |
| 06:09.31 | dilvie | I'm not a big fan of either party, at the moment. |
| 06:21.38 | mheath | xbmodder: Sorry, a lax dress code doesn't fall under the category of personal liberties. |
| 06:21.44 | mheath | dilvie: Indeed. |
| 06:22.34 | mheath | I hate our federal government. Too much corruption, in general. |
| 06:22.56 | dilvie | I don't hate it, but it's certainly in need of some serious debugging. |
| 06:23.07 | dilvie | It's high time for government 2.0! |
| 06:23.09 | dilvie | =) |
| 06:23.36 | dilvie | well, more refactoring than debugging. |
| 06:23.38 | dilvie | =) |
| 06:24.04 | mheath | It'd be nice if laws could be passed, without having to butcher them to please a whole array of lobyist groups. |
| 06:24.39 | mheath | And too many of our politicians seem to think that the mere fact that they were elected means that they're representing us |
| 06:24.58 | mheath | They don't listen to the people their representing much, after their elected. Unless it's election time :) |
| 06:25.06 | dilvie | if I were elected, I would not attempt to represent anybody |
| 06:25.22 | mheath | dilvie: Why is that? O.o |
| 06:25.27 | dilvie | I would attempt to do the best job that I could do in the office. |
| 06:25.43 | dilvie | I'm not interested in doing what's popular. |
| 06:25.50 | dilvie | I'm interested in doing what works best. |
| 06:26.11 | dilvie | I'll hire a good PR person to put a popular spin on whatever I do. ;) |
| 06:26.26 | mheath | dilvie: So you'd favor an Enlightened Monarchy over a Democratic Republic? |
| 06:26.34 | xbmodder | mheath, no a personal blog... |
| 06:27.26 | mheath | xbmodder: If he's restricting you from adding to it in school, you have no reason to complain. He should be restricting that, and you have no reaon or right to view or modify a blog while in school. |
| 06:27.30 | dilvie | mheath: No. I'm in favor of elections. |
| 06:27.43 | dilvie | I'm even in favor of public participation in policy decisions |
| 06:27.55 | mheath | dilvie: Your personal views basically reflect the logic behind an enlightened monarchy, though, not a republic. |
| 06:27.57 | dilvie | with a very open process. |
| 06:28.11 | mheath | dilvie: Ah, so, you prefer England around...hmmm...1600? |
| 06:28.18 | mheath | You were born at the wrong time. |
| 06:29.07 | dilvie | mheath: I don't know what england was like around 1600, but a lot of the tools I'd like to see used in current government process did not exist prior to 2000 |
| 06:29.19 | mheath | dilvie: Like what tools? |
| 06:29.27 | dilvie | like the internet |
| 06:29.35 | dilvie | blogs |
| 06:29.39 | xbmodder | mheath, he is restricting me from making comments about the school on my _personal_ blog with _no_ affliations with the school. |
| 06:29.42 | xbmodder | dilvie, meh too |
| 06:29.53 | dilvie | grassroots campains that have the power to spread world-wide and reach millions of people over-night |
| 06:29.59 | xbmodder | jahaha! |
| 06:30.23 | mheath | xbmodder: If you're doing that outside of school, he has no right to do that. Contact your attorney general, file a complaint. |
| 06:30.39 | xbmodder | mheath, is it worth the hassle? |
| 06:30.44 | dilvie | xbmodder: nobody can restrict you from making comments about a school on your personal blog with no school affiliations, unless you work for the school, and you signed some sort of NDA |
| 06:30.51 | mheath | xbmodder: ....I'm talking about a brief phone call. |
| 06:30.52 | dilvie | or you're comitting libel |
| 06:31.30 | xbmodder | lol. dilvie I said qvnar xengm vf n qhzonff |
| 06:31.35 | xbmodder | its rot13 |
| 06:31.45 | xbmodder | 'cause I swore |
| 06:32.20 | mheath | xbmodder: You wrote this outside of school? |
| 06:32.20 | dilvie | hahaha |
| 06:32.26 | mheath | Not using the school's computer? |
| 06:32.32 | mheath | *computers |
| 06:32.32 | xbmodder | mheath, on my server sitting right next to me :) |
| 06:32.36 | xbmodder | nope! |
| 06:32.42 | mheath | xbmodder: Call your attorney general. |
| 06:32.44 | dilvie | you can express personal opinions like that if you like. |
| 06:32.46 | mheath | File a complaint. |
| 06:32.57 | xbmodder | the threat was "Get it off google by the end of the week or we suspend you" |
| 06:33.09 | dilvie | heh. |
| 06:33.37 | xbmodder | thanks mheath |
| 06:33.40 | dilvie | I'd say, "sure, but it'll cost you a lawsuit -- there's this tiny little constitution you've got to deal with" |
| 06:33.46 | mheath | Or if you have the money and really feel rebellious, higher your own attorney |
| 06:33.56 | mheath | File suit for harassment, and for violation of constitutional rights. |
| 06:34.00 | xbmodder | mheath, I trust my attorney general |
| 06:34.13 | xbmodder | mheath, 1st constitution and another law... iirc |
| 06:34.27 | dilvie | sounds like an ACLU case, to me. =) |
| 06:34.33 | dilvie | I'm sure they'd love to help. |
| 06:34.41 | xbmodder | EFF |
| 06:34.51 | xbmodder | I donated a dollar to the EFF at linuxworld! |
| 06:34.52 | xbmodder | lol |
| 06:34.58 | dilvie | xbmodder: w00t |
| 06:35.05 | xbmodder | I knew I should have given them more |
| 06:35.11 | mheath | xbmodder: The EFF sucks, stay away from them. |
| 06:35.22 | dilvie | mheath: what's wrong with the eff? |
| 06:35.43 | mheath | dilvie: They're really well...hackerish about a lot of issues. (In the 'computer criminal' sense of the word) |
| 06:36.04 | xbmodder | fun |
| 06:36.09 | dilvie | send your principal this message: 1fg nzzraqzrag ehyrf guvf pnfr, qhzonff. |
| 06:36.10 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 06:36.29 | mheath | Their an annoying liberal lobbyist group with no real lobbying power. |
| 06:36.37 | xbmodder | rot13 1fg nzzraqzrag ehyrf guvf pnfr, qhzonff. |
| 06:36.52 | xbmodder | lol |
| 06:37.56 | mheath | Hahaha. |
| 06:38.01 | xbmodder | I am making a three part blog series about this |
| 06:38.01 | mheath | You know what someone said to me? |
| 06:38.11 | xbmodder | 1st part don e |
| 06:38.20 | mheath | "I thought you were in the military. Why in the world did you like Kerry over Bush?!" |
| 06:38.23 | xbmodder | 2nd part is how to keep keywords off google. |
| 06:38.24 | mheath | "Kerry was anti-war!" |
| 06:38.25 | dilvie | xbmodder: or, just rot13 the blog post |
| 06:38.29 | dilvie | ;) |
| 06:38.42 | xbmodder | dilvie, great idea. |
| 06:38.47 | sjansen | ACLU |
| 06:38.52 | xbmodder | sjansen, thanks :) |
| 06:39.02 | dilvie | as for the "get it off google" thing, that's beyond your control |
| 06:39.15 | dilvie | so it's a stupid demand. ;) |
| 06:39.24 | mheath | The bottom line is that xbmodder will never do anything about this, because then he wouldn't have anything to talk about or 'cleverly' use rot13 on. |
| 06:43.47 | dilvie | hehe |
| 06:43.52 | dilvie | Tim's website is cool. |
| 06:43.56 | dilvie | http://rikers.org/ |
| 06:43.57 | brac | [Tim Riker World] |
| 06:44.00 | dilvie | takes me back to 1997 |
| 06:44.02 | dilvie | =) |
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| 06:49.13 | dilvie | http://www.catchmesleeping.com/photos/devutah/index.php?directory=.¤tPic=7 <-- hahaha |
| 06:49.14 | brac | [PHPSlideshow by Greg Lawler] |
| 06:49.25 | dilvie | I'm the one on the far left in the leather jacket |
| 06:49.29 | dilvie | making a really odd face |
| 06:49.46 | dilvie | the guy next to me, also making an odd face, is Bryan Livingston of Cooltext.com fame |
| 06:49.47 | xbmodder | mheath, heh. naww. I'd rather hurt that old man than use rot13. and then theres always rot47 |
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| 07:29.57 | goozbach | what does one use to transfer files to an ipod? |
| 07:32.45 | goozbach | NM found gtkpod |
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| 09:47.38 | findlay | I want a suse-10.0 rock |
| 09:52.58 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 09:53.23 | findlay | ibot: findlay is wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock |
| 09:53.24 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 09:53.28 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 09:53.30 | ibot | rumour has it, findlay is wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock |
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| 13:15.14 | hans | morning |
| 14:15.42 | mheath | Good morning! |
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| 14:59.06 | bonez39 | mheath, you are way ahead of the rest who are still getting around |
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| 15:38.43 | hans | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:39.53 | hans | -roulette |
| 15:39.54 | brac | hans: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 15:43.35 | tensai | ~shoot hans |
| 15:43.38 | ibot | ACTION shoots hans in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 15:43.48 | hans | oh no, my fase is out of phace! |
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| 16:06.19 | emcnabb | -lart hans |
| 16:06.33 | hans | -lart emcnabb |
| 16:06.39 | hans | ai ai ai |
| 16:07.24 | emcnabb | hans, so how did your first semester of grad school go? |
| 16:08.14 | hans | cake |
| 16:09.48 | emcnabb | yummy |
| 16:10.23 | emcnabb | what are you taking next semester? |
| 16:10.57 | hans | realtime dsp, complexity theory, and some elective. |
| 16:11.13 | hans | was going to be compilers, but it turns out they were just kidding about compilers (typo in the schedule) |
| 16:11.34 | hans | and I get to TA a UI design class. |
| 16:11.57 | emcnabb | what are you hoping to end up focusing on? |
| 16:12.28 | hans | computer music. probably audio signal processing |
| 16:12.38 | hans | e.g. making sense of music in some fashion |
| 16:12.43 | hans | we're narrowing it down (my prof and I) |
| 16:29.14 | hans | my poor nephew is used to being the center of attention here, and he doesn't like my son's presence at all. (nephew is a couple months older than my son) |
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| 17:18.52 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 17:30.49 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp |
| 17:39.20 | Tene | ~rlart |
| 17:48.19 | tensai | ~bonk Tene |
| 17:48.21 | ibot | ACTION bonks Tene over the head |
| 17:52.01 | goozbach | http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=496 |
| 17:52.06 | goozbach | oh yeah!!! |
| 18:01.05 | hans | so I'm planning on replacing the firmware of my dad's wrt54g next week, to something that can run openvpn |
| 18:01.13 | hans | anybody done that? |
| 18:01.32 | hans | i'm particularly interested in not frying it to death |
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| 18:04.34 | tensai | hans: I don't have openvpn on mine, but I'm using openwrt and I love it |
| 18:05.18 | tensai | I've flashed the firmware 3-4 times and haven't bricked it. follow the instructions for turning on boot_wait which practically guarantees you can always recover. |
| 18:05.48 | hans | cool, will do |
| 18:09.39 | tensai | the biggest drawback to openvpn is the limited space. not that that's openvpn's fault, but there are just so many choices it's hard to choose which ones you want. |
| 18:09.54 | tensai | # df -h |
| 18:09.54 | tensai | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 18:09.54 | tensai | /dev/root 3.2M 3.0M 240.0k 93% / |
| 18:10.35 | hans | what other things are you running? |
| 18:10.41 | tensai | I've got all the ipv6 stuff installed, plus tcpdump |
| 18:11.46 | hans | hmm. looks like openwrt is working on supporting the actiontec we've got |
| 18:12.03 | tensai | seriously? what hardware? |
| 18:12.34 | hans | http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware#head-5182ff0a6bd058ec5cc093b1abfdff719895db1d |
| 18:12.42 | hans | GT701-WG |
| 18:12.51 | hans | which iirc is the model I have |
| 18:13.05 | tensai | me too. hans, you made my day |
| 18:14.02 | hans | ~steal tensai's day |
| 18:14.03 | ibot | ACTION grabs tensai's day and gives it to sjansen |
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| 18:31.26 | maquis | (or, in this case, freebsd) |
| 18:33.19 | hans | wha-a-whoahoa! Goodbye seventies! |
| 18:33.26 | maquis | hans: ?? |
| 18:33.30 | hans | what is garageband? |
| 18:33.34 | hans | in your words |
| 18:33.54 | hans | it's a great yaz song. |
| 18:33.58 | hans | well, funny in any case. |
| 18:34.18 | jlp_work | maquis: audacity maybe? |
| 18:34.22 | maquis | hans: it's an apple program that, from my understanding, you can use to create music without having a synthesizer attached |
| 18:34.52 | maquis | jlp_work: can you create music in there? i loooked at it, but i could'nt figure out how to create music... only how to edit.. |
| 18:35.02 | hans | i could stop being lazy and run it and see what it is... but... |
| 18:35.09 | jlp_work | hmmm, don't know about actually creating music |
| 18:35.24 | jlp_work | I think it's just a multi-track mixer/recorder |
| 18:35.27 | hans | there's lots of ways to create music in linux (or any platform), which is why I ask just what garagebannd does |
| 18:35.43 | maquis | another stupid question: i'm trying to read 1 file in a whole bunch of different directories |
| 18:35.50 | maquis | in essence, i'm trying to do" |
| 18:35.51 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.00 | maquis | but that doesn't quite work... |
| 18:36.33 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone else notice an unusual amount of spam getting through gmail lately? |
| 18:36.57 | maquis | hans: i'm not quite sure, since i've never actually used garageband, but i've just seen it, and i'm looking for something to create music, but i don't have a synthesizer or anything |
| 18:37.06 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: yeah... i thought it was just me |
| 18:37.22 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I think they must have changed their filter rules or something |
| 18:37.31 | Uncle_Jesse | it's for the worse whatever it is |
| 18:37.45 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: yeah... not pretty |
| 18:38.59 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm going to post an ask slashdot on this to get it some attention - something can't be right |
| 18:39.03 | hans | maquis: well in what way would you like to create music? there are softsynths for linux and sequencers which you can step record without an external keyboard |
| 18:39.12 | hans | and virtual keyboards... |
| 18:39.23 | hans | ok ok, I'll fire up garageband |
| 18:39.26 | maquis | hans: i don't quite know what any of those things are |
| 18:39.56 | jlp_work | maquis: what's wrong with your cat yadda/yadda/*/file > otherfile.txt? |
| 18:40.11 | maquis | jlp_work: zsh: no matches found: /usr/ports/audio/*/pkg_desc |
| 18:40.27 | jlp_work | pkg_descr? |
| 18:40.37 | maquis | jlp_work: hmmm... maybe that's the problem... |
| 18:40.48 | maquis | still same error |
| 18:40.56 | hans | in ruby, Dir.glob("/usr/ports/audio/**/pkg_desc").each do |file| ... |
| 18:41.02 | jlp_work | pkg-descr |
| 18:41.16 | maquis | jlp_work: thanks.... |
| 18:41.19 | maquis | stupid - |
| 18:41.21 | hans | i'm pretty sure you can't do that with shell globs |
| 18:41.22 | maquis | :) |
| 18:41.26 | jlp_work | heh heh |
| 18:41.27 | hans | or did it work? |
| 18:41.41 | maquis | hans: it worked... i just was misunderstanding why it was complaining |
| 18:42.47 | hans | wow this is taking a long time to not start |
| 18:43.33 | maquis | hans: i think it took about 20 seconds on the G5 show computers at the apple store... |
| 18:45.21 | goozbach | the apple store last night was madness |
| 18:45.25 | goozbach | I took pictures |
| 18:45.38 | goozbach | I spent 45 min in line just to buy an ipod |
| 18:45.39 | hans | ok, finally up |
| 18:46.00 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: why didn't you order online? |
| 18:46.02 | hans | basically, it looks like a sequencer and a virtual keyboard |
| 18:46.51 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: they're for my brothers and my mom was worried that they wouldn't ship in time |
| 18:46.53 | hans | a simplified sequencer. The linux equivalence would be a combination of a sequencer, a virtual keyboard, and a softsynth (a program that synthesizes the sound) |
| 18:46.56 | maquis | hans: the main thing i'm thinking is... back in high school, i took a class where we used synthesizers to create our own music... but i don't have a keyboard to connect to my computer (or room to put it) |
| 18:47.03 | maquis | hans: mmk |
| 18:47.11 | hans | sequencer: rosegarden4 |
| 18:47.18 | goozbach | me being in Sacrament CA |
| 18:47.26 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: that would be good reason to go to the store then |
| 18:47.37 | Uncle_Jesse | did you get the educational discount? |
| 18:47.38 | goozbach | I was sent to the apple store to aquire them |
| 18:47.40 | goozbach | no |
| 18:47.54 | Uncle_Jesse | they don't id at least on the website - one a year though |
| 18:47.56 | hans | softsynth: zynaddsubfx if you like synth, or fluidsynth with a good soundfont if you want "regular" instruments (e.g. general midi) |
| 18:48.07 | maquis | mmk |
| 18:48.50 | hans | if you just want to fiddle, just run zynaddsubfx - it has its own virtual keyboard |
| 18:49.22 | hans | but if you want to record you'll need a sequencer. seq24 is simpler than rosegarden, but it's loop-based which may be weird to you |
| 18:49.26 | hans | then there's muse, too. |
| 18:49.44 | goozbach | hydrogen is cool |
| 18:49.47 | maquis | hans: cool |
| 18:49.48 | goozbach | it's a drum synt |
| 18:49.52 | goozbach | er synth |
| 18:49.57 | hans | I've heard that. |
| 18:50.12 | hans | but I've not done much drum stuff, since I mostly work with classical stuff |
| 18:52.50 | hans | there's vkeybd for a virtual keyboard |
| 18:53.01 | maquis | hans: thanks |
| 18:53.02 | hans | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/man/man1/vkeybd.1.html |
| 18:53.13 | hans | not sure what package it comes in, might be included in alsa or something |
| 18:54.14 | hans | let me know if you need any help |
| 18:54.22 | maquis | hans: cool... thanks |
| 18:56.09 | Uncle_Jesse | d-day today: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1904737,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594 |
| 18:56.11 | brac | [D-Day Arrives for SCO] |
| 18:57.23 | goozbach | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 18:57.28 | ibot | jayce^ <n=Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 40m 45s ago, saying: 'man, is it ever hard to work when facing a 2 week vacation....'. |
| 18:57.53 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - good last words |
| 18:57.57 | goozbach | yup |
| 18:58.36 | maquis | Newsome: i hope you'll keep us updated on how D-Day goes? |
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| 19:03.00 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 19:03.21 | SpecialZ | nope, won't run on an Xserv G5 brac |
| 19:03.31 | SpecialZ | ~lart mquis |
| 19:04.24 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
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| 19:27.20 | Uncle_Jesse | too bad I couldn't get my server up in time for christmas - I could have brought santabot back |
| 19:28.03 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe we can have a stvalentinebot |
| 19:28.07 | Uncle_Jesse | or cupidbot |
| 19:32.12 | hans | i think you should aim for 2010bot |
| 19:32.28 | Uncle_Jesse | that's a good one too |
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| 20:02.37 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/Tuned-Out.wmv |
| 20:02.54 | emcnabb | If you're needing some comic relief today... |
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| 21:01.40 | hans | too bad I get no video |
| 21:02.14 | Tene | it works fine for me |
| 21:02.18 | Tene | got win32codecs? |
| 21:02.32 | hans | everything else I've tried to watch has worked fine |
| 21:09.50 | emcnabb | it works fine for me |
| 21:10.19 | emcnabb | well, I'm done |
| 21:13.01 | goozbach | punk |
| 21:13.07 | goozbach | get back to work!!! |
| 21:13.15 | goozbach | sjansen, stop him |
| 21:13.25 | goozbach | he can't be on vacation yet... |
| 21:13.32 | goozbach | neither of them are here... |
| 21:13.35 | goozbach | :( |
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| 21:13.44 | goozbach | that's it! |
| 21:13.45 | goozbach | I |
| 21:13.53 | goozbach | am taking wintereenmas off |
| 21:14.39 | spr | oh boy, snow! |
| 21:16.10 | goozbach | snow!!!? |
| 21:16.14 | goozbach | goodie |
| 21:16.17 | goozbach | woo! |
| 21:16.30 | Uncle_Jess1 | not snowing in PC |
| 21:16.43 | spr | Well, I'm in Alaska right now |
| 21:16.53 | Uncle_Jess1 | ah - doesn't it always snow there? |
| 21:17.08 | spr | not always. |
| 21:17.22 | spr | actually been a bit of a warm snap during the start of the month. |
| 21:17.38 | spr | more ice than snow up until yesterday |
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| 21:43.22 | goozbach | I got my hopes up and everthing... :( |
| 21:56.41 | Hhhhh | ok |
| 21:56.44 | Hhhhh | ready for some flame? |
| 21:56.46 | Hhhhh | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/23/1641218&tid=156 |
| 21:56.49 | Hhhhh | java or C# |
| 21:57.40 | Hhhhh | that is a great question, I've been a CS 142 TA at BYU and I think they should change it from Java to C# |
| 21:58.19 | Hhhhh | Java is still great for server technology, but I think it's not as good for desktop apps as |
| 21:58.22 | Hhhhh | C# is |
| 21:58.36 | Hhhhh | swing = bad, Windows Forms = good |
| 21:59.27 | tensai | you expect anybody to write substantial programs based entirely on what they learn in CS 142? I think the language they choose is more or less irrelevant. |
| 21:59.42 | Hhhhh | not if you're not a CS major |
| 21:59.50 | Hhhhh | 1/2 of people taking 142 are not CS |
| 21:59.52 | tensai | Java and C# are both perfectly fine choices. I don't see any good reason to change. |
| 21:59.53 | Hhhhh | 1/2 at least |
| 22:00.20 | Hhhhh | Java is fine, but I think it would be a better service to the students to change 142 to C# |
| 22:00.30 | goozbach | python |
| 22:00.38 | goozbach | or pascal |
| 22:00.43 | tensai | BYU is not a programming institute. the stated purpose is to teach theories and techniques, not languages |
| 22:00.48 | goozbach | or brainfu*k |
| 22:00.50 | Hhhhh | tensai, hehe |
| 22:01.06 | Hhhhh | tensai, I wish that were like what you say |
| 22:01.12 | tensai | I took it in pascal and survived |
| 22:01.16 | Hhhhh | the level of theory CS graduates know is alarmingly low |
| 22:01.37 | Hhhhh | I had to go for a minor in Math to be in semi-decent shape |
| 22:02.38 | Hhhhh | I fail to see how much theory someone who takes 428, 452 and 462 in their senior year would really know |
| 22:02.40 | tensai | for example, nobody in their right mind would code fibonacci recursively. it's all about the principles. |
| 22:03.28 | tensai | Hhhhh: remind me what those courses are |
| 22:04.17 | Hhhhh | 428 = software engineering, 452 databases and 462 distributed environments (just a class where they teach you how to install apache and a servlet container and how to use them for development) |
| 22:04.27 | Hhhhh | I hardly see a substantial theory content there |
| 22:04.34 | Hhhhh | that more like IT |
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| 22:06.08 | Hhhhh | I think CS should be more theory based (especially math), but CS 142 should be more about programming. I'd hold on to introduce OOP, and you really can't do jack without OOP in Java |
| 22:06.35 | Hhhhh | while in C# students don't have to worry too much about OOP if they're using VS.NET |
| 22:07.14 | Hhhhh | and anyways, Physics and stats majors would get more out of it if they learned C# instead of spending 1/2 a semester learning OOP |
| 22:07.36 | Hhhhh | they're going to go program in pascal and use matlab anyways |
| 22:25.58 | Uncle_Jess1 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ericrice/74275933/ |
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| 22:33.41 | scott | if someone's looking for some good reading I found http://economist.com/world/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5323888&tranMode=none quite enjoyable. |
| 23:07.22 | mheath | Really stupid question, and I hate to ask this, but.....Can anyone comment on the possibility of converting a Gentoo linux system to a Redhat 7.2 System? |
| 23:07.40 | mheath | The reason is, I need to install Redhat 7.2 in order to go through a tutorial step-by-step |
| 23:08.11 | mheath | I've been attempting the steps in this tutorial for months, but I'm constantly running into problems with newer/different distros and software. I just want to install redhat quickly, do this, and get it over with. |
| 23:09.45 | tensai | I don't believe there is a good and reliable method for cross converting between two distros. sometimes it works if the distros are related (ubuntu and debian), but even then it's difficult. |
| 23:12.07 | goozbach | mheath: set up a XEN box and create a guest os |
| 23:12.26 | goozbach | cross converting is MESSY if possible at all |
| 23:12.48 | mheath | I'm setting up a jumpstart server for Solaris 8 |
| 23:13.18 | mheath | Not supposed to be possible with anything other than a Solaris Sparc host, and getting it working in Linux is horrible |
| 23:14.29 | mheath | goozbach: Good idea, but why XEN? Why not a simple, smaller emulator? |
| 23:16.11 | goozbach | even a chroot |
| 23:16.19 | goozbach | XEN or UML would be the |
| 23:16.24 | goozbach | 'real deal' |
| 23:19.01 | amcnabb | Once you can get it configured, dspam is great. |
| 23:19.07 | amcnabb | I think I spent 4 hours on it. |
| 23:27.06 | spr | amcnabb, you going to write a how-to? |
| 23:29.39 | dilvie | hi |
| 23:30.27 | dilvie | I'm playing a vs dj set with house DJ Josh Max at Club Halo tonight, in case anybody wants to come party with us and meet me. =) |
| 23:34.09 | amcnabb | spr, the problem with dspam is that it is incredibly configurable, but setting it up is completely different depending on your setup. |
| 23:34.26 | amcnabb | There are so many subtleties to worry about with permissions, especially when you use the web interface. |
| 23:36.13 | spr | bleah |
| 23:36.31 | goozbach | dilvie: what time? |
| 23:36.37 | goozbach | er how late |
| 23:36.54 | dilvie | doors open at 9:00, and I think we're openning. |
| 23:37.26 | dilvie | The club closes at 2:00am. |
| 23:37.28 | goozbach | I'll not make it then |
| 23:37.44 | goozbach | (flight doesn't get in till 11:45) |
| 23:38.26 | dilvie | goozbach: I'll still be there if you want to come hang out and meet me, and I'm not certain that we're openning.. we may go on at 11:00 or 11:30. |
| 23:38.55 | dilvie | and we'll probably play for 1 - 1 1/2 hours |
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| 23:46.30 | goozbach | I'll see what I have going on when I get in |
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| 23:57.14 | tensai | -lart sjansen |