| 00:00.07 | Tene | jlp_work: matlab does a *lot* more than octave |
| 00:00.26 | harleypig | jlp_work: I have to use internal machines only, but the data is frozen, so to speak. |
| 00:00.51 | harleypig | I can generate it on demand--but it takes 10-15 hours to generate it. |
| 00:01.21 | harleypig | err ... to answer your question, no, it's not real-time. |
| 00:01.23 | jlp_work | if you could pull it to a machine where you can get gnuplot to build, gnuplot is a great tool for visualization of data sets like that |
| 00:01.47 | harleypig | jlp_work: company policy prevents me from uploading the data to my server (or any external server) |
| 00:02.05 | harleypig | jlp_work: even though it doesn't contain any sensitive data *sigh* |
| 00:02.20 | Tene | no gnuplot distro package? |
| 00:02.47 | harleypig | I'm not root on the internal machines (or any of the company machines for that matter). |
| 00:03.06 | Tene | can you give a sandwich to someone who is? |
| 00:03.08 | harleypig | and I can't find any binaries for linux (for other platforms yes) |
| 00:03.28 | jlp_work | harleypig: I can show you a sample of how to do a simple plot with GD::Graph, but it's probably nothing you can't get from the pod |
| 00:03.31 | harleypig | Tene: heh, probably |
| 00:03.38 | harleypig | but it takes time to get a program installed. |
| 00:03.48 | Tene | yeah |
| 00:04.05 | harleypig | jlp_work: I've already got a simple graph ... I just need to figure out how to overlay multiple pid data. |
| 00:04.36 | jlp_work | harleypig: don't you just call plot again with the next data set? |
| 00:07.00 | harleypig | jlp_work: if that's it I'm gonna scream ... it's not obvious (to me) from the docs. |
| 00:07.07 | jlp_work | or call plot with multiple data sets? |
| 00:07.50 | jlp_work | I'd try calling plot multiple times, or call plot as in: $graph->plot(\@data1, \@data2) and see what you get |
| 00:08.57 | harleypig | jlp_work: well, the first array ref is the x labels, as far as i can tell. but I'm trying that now. |
| 00:09.18 | jlp_work | I'm thinking the latter, based on my read of the pod documentation |
| 00:10.01 | jlp_work | and set your dclrs to multiple colors: $graph->set(dclrs => [ qw(green blue red orange) ]); |
| 00:12.18 | harleypig | crap ... that was it. First arrayref is x labels, remaining arrays are datasets to be graphed. |
| 00:12.21 | harleypig | thanks. |
| 00:12.27 | jlp_work | heh, no problem |
| 00:12.52 | harleypig | it seems to be offsetting each graph though ... but I seem to remember seeing something about that in the docs |
| 00:13.46 | jlp_work | well, good luck with it. I've got to head out for my daughter's violin concert. hope you figure it out |
| 00:15.29 | Tene | My sister's violin was stolen recently. |
| 00:15.41 | Tene | Did you buy your daughter a stolen violin? |
| 00:16.00 | harleypig | jlp_work: thanks. |
| 00:23.46 | bonez39 | stolen violin? wouldn't that be hard to fence? |
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| 01:59.03 | goozbach | level 53!!! |
| 01:59.06 | goozbach | yah |
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| 02:11.07 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 02:11.45 | goozbach | howdy |
| 02:12.20 | hans | -lart goozbach |
| 02:13.49 | Hhhhh | you guys made brac be pretty violent |
| 02:16.18 | scott | 1 hour of trying to learn a little ruby on rails reminds me of why I hate programming so much |
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| 02:19.36 | tensai | hans: ping |
| 02:20.33 | Hhhhh | I've heard nice stuff about ruby |
| 02:20.41 | Hhhhh | I heard it was easy to learn |
| 02:20.46 | Hhhhh | never done it myself though |
| 02:21.13 | Hhhhh | I'm too in love with C++ ;) |
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| 02:33.54 | hans | it is |
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| 03:20.16 | maquis | -lart pmcnabb |
| 03:20.50 | pmcnabb | oh no |
| 03:20.56 | maquis | :) |
| 03:21.06 | pmcnabb | oh, wait, you're not root |
| 03:21.07 | maquis | pmcnabb: sup? |
| 03:21.18 | pmcnabb | not much |
| 03:21.22 | maquis | hmm |
| 03:21.22 | pmcnabb | amcnabb is home now : D |
| 03:21.49 | root_ | ha |
| 03:21.52 | root_ | found one |
| 03:22.00 | root_ | rm -rf pmcnabb |
| 03:22.20 | tensai | maquis: whatcha up to in seattle? |
| 03:22.34 | maquis | tensai: not a whole lot |
| 03:22.54 | maquis | i think i've been shopping for christmas presents every day this week |
| 03:23.15 | pmcnabb | maquis, what part of seattle? |
| 03:23.33 | maquis | pmcnabb: about 40 minutes north... near everett... it's called mukilteo |
| 03:23.43 | pmcnabb | ahh.. |
| 03:23.46 | tensai | I like what I did this year. spent all day saturday shopping. one day and I'm all done. |
| 03:24.34 | maquis | tensai: sure... but shopping isn't all that bad... it's something to do with my mom :) |
| 03:25.05 | tensai | well, I'm assuming a general anti-shopping POV which I have |
| 03:25.46 | maquis | tensai: true... most guys seem to have that... |
| 03:25.46 | maquis | although, my dad's ok with it |
| 03:26.12 | maquis | It's about a prisoner who was forced to wear an electronic shackle to monitor that he did not violate his home arrest. The shackle is pretty simple: if the suspect leaves the defined detention area, the electronic shackle signals through the telephone line to the local police. |
| 03:26.16 | maquis | How do you defeat a system such as this? Just stop paying your phone bill and wait for the phone company to shut off service. |
| 03:26.19 | maquis | :) |
| 03:26.38 | tensai | somebody's been reading bruce scheier |
| 03:26.42 | maquis | yup |
| 03:26.46 | tensai | er, schneier |
| 03:27.15 | tensai | ever read Applied Cryptography? |
| 03:28.45 | spr | anyone here done any gtk2 in perl before? |
| 03:29.03 | maquis | tensai: not yet, but i'd like to |
| 03:30.22 | maquis | hmmmm... |
| 03:31.39 | maquis | france has a new law coming through, which would hold software makers responsible for the misuse of their software if it's used to download any unauthorized content, even if the software has legitimate uses... |
| 03:31.51 | maquis | i hope they don't need any browsers.... |
| 03:32.24 | maquis | anyone caught downloading unauthorized content may face up to three years in jail and fines of 300,000 euros. Seems like a fairly extreme reaction. Earlier this year, in another case, a man in France was fined for sharing songs, and French musicians responded by signing a petition begging their own industry to stop suing their fans. Those musicians might want to speak up pretty quickly, because the industry may soon have the opportunity to throw their fan |
| 03:37.43 | emcnabb | ugh, there are carolers next door |
| 03:38.13 | maquis | emcnabb: you don't like carollers? |
| 03:39.39 | maquis | what the???? |
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| 03:39.45 | maquis | how'd i do that? |
| 03:41.04 | emcnabb | no, but I don't want to stand there in front of them with my sweatpants on while my ice cream melts |
| 03:41.19 | maquis | emcnabb: :( |
| 03:41.30 | emcnabb | plus I'm on the phone |
| 03:42.17 | maquis | methinks her cs330 prof messed up the grades for the final pretty bad |
| 03:57.34 | sjansen | good eats++ |
| 04:00.00 | emcnabb | I've eaten way to much fudge over the last several days |
| 04:00.18 | RyanE | I |
| 04:00.27 | RyanE | I've eaten too much fudge over the last several minutes |
| 04:00.36 | emcnabb | dang the "buy 1 pound, get 1/2 pound free" sale |
| 04:00.42 | RyanE | so much that I can't type straight. :) |
| 04:00.46 | emcnabb | haha |
| 04:00.52 | maquis | :) |
| 04:01.28 | RyanE | Time for some cookies! |
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| 04:08.05 | emcnabb | I always get a kick out of the accounting info page |
| 04:08.17 | RyanE | which accounting info page? |
| 04:10.00 | emcnabb | um, I think it's the only one 'pinfo accounting' |
| 04:10.05 | emcnabb | in the preface |
| 04:10.30 | maquis | ah.... |
| 04:10.45 | RyanE | I must've missed something... preface? pinfo? |
| 04:10.54 | goozbach | great fun |
| 04:11.06 | maquis | RyanE: info <-- the command... |
| 04:11.11 | maquis | not a website |
| 04:11.16 | maquis | goozbach: what's great fun? |
| 04:11.27 | emcnabb | info, the documentation system on Linux systems |
| 04:11.59 | emcnabb | pinfo is a much better version of the info command |
| 04:12.23 | maquis | emcnabb: i'm with RyanE on the fact that your original statement was rather unclear :) |
| 04:12.49 | emcnabb | would you have thought: 'accounting man page' was unclear? |
| 04:13.18 | RyanE | nope |
| 04:13.33 | emcnabb | ok |
| 04:13.39 | maquis | emcnabb: no... but i was thinking a website providing accounting info for some company or something |
| 04:14.02 | RyanE | now I'm just not understanding why you would get a kick out of it, other than the totally obvious command-line options that all have similar descriptions. |
| 04:14.03 | emcnabb | I guess I hear the term 'info page' quite often |
| 04:14.15 | emcnabb | did you read the preface of the page? |
| 04:14.17 | maquis | probably |
| 04:14.26 | RyanE | well, it could've meant the 'accounting info' page, i.e. website. |
| 04:14.39 | emcnabb | never mind |
| 04:15.00 | maquis | RyanE: you explained that better than i did :) |
| 04:15.02 | RyanE | and you must have a different version, as I have no prevace. |
| 04:15.07 | RyanE | or preface |
| 04:15.08 | RyanE | :) |
| 04:15.14 | maquis | emcnabb: by preface, did you mean: This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. |
| 04:15.17 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.20 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.22 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.34 | maquis | because, that's the closest to a preface that i can find |
| 04:15.47 | emcnabb | if you type in 'info accounting', there is a link that says 'preface' |
| 04:15.52 | emcnabb | that is what I'm referring to |
| 04:16.17 | maquis | i don't have a preface anywhere |
| 04:16.29 | RyanE | yeah, this was really not worth explaining... :) I also have no preface link. |
| 04:16.42 | emcnabb | what distro/ |
| 04:16.43 | emcnabb | ? |
| 04:16.44 | RyanE | don't you just hate that. It's worse than explaining computer jokes to your wife. |
| 04:16.47 | maquis | i'm in freebsd |
| 04:17.24 | RyanE | SuSE 9.2 |
| 04:17.27 | maquis | i don't have it in gentoo either |
| 04:18.32 | emcnabb | it looks like SuSE doesn't include the info pages for process accounting, just the man page |
| 04:18.45 | RyanE | it has the info page, but it looks exactly like the man page |
| 04:18.48 | maquis | must be the same problem with gentoo and freebsd |
| 04:18.49 | emcnabb | atleast on my SL 9.3 install, it doesn not exist |
| 04:18.50 | RyanE | like info is falling back into man |
| 04:18.56 | emcnabb | it does |
| 04:18.58 | RyanE | aha |
| 04:19.20 | emcnabb | that's why there's confusion :-) |
| 04:19.27 | maquis | :) |
| 04:20.07 | maquis | emcnabb: so... out of 4 computers, running different systems, 1 has this cool preface, and the rest are left in the dust |
| 04:20.19 | maquis | i'm curious what makes the preface so cool, though |
| 04:20.20 | emcnabb | that's too bad |
| 04:21.11 | emcnabb | the made-up story they have in it about the history of process accounting |
| 04:21.27 | maquis | which is.... |
| 04:21.56 | emcnabb | http://www.gnu.org/software/acct/manual/html_chapter/accounting_1.html |
| 04:21.58 | brac | [Accounting Utilities Manual - Preface] |
| 04:22.00 | maquis | i feel like emcnabb has taken me through a long complicated joke, only to stop right before the punchline |
| 04:22.03 | emcnabb | jeez, hold on |
| 04:22.08 | maquis | :) |
| 04:22.11 | RyanE | http://www.pirtmudysbejnflmt.ncsh.com/cgi-bin/info2html?(accounting)Preface |
| 04:22.13 | RyanE | ? |
| 04:22.13 | brac | [Info: (accounting) Preface] |
| 04:23.10 | maquis | emcnabb: ok... that was pretty good :) |
| 04:23.45 | RyanE | yet, like having to explain a computer joke to my wife. :) |
| 04:23.57 | emcnabb | RyanE, yes, it has a link to the acct info page from that page |
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| 05:33.40 | tensai | harleypig: harleypigprogramming.com: "Seeing this instead of the website you expected?" |
| 05:40.06 | Newsome | and http://www.harleypigprogramming.com/ gives "You don't have permission to access / on this server." |
| 05:45.52 | emcnabb | and http://harleypigprogramming.com/warez - "The requested URL /warez was not found on this server." |
| 06:00.59 | tensai | woah. whatever you do, don't try http://harleypigprogramming.com/thong-gallery/ |
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| 06:13.55 | ibot | timr <~tim@81-178-106-56.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #freedesktop, 394d 15h 37m 36s ago, saying: 'hi all, I am trying to get fdclock translucent on my desktop - is this possible?'. |
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| 06:31.12 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openslug, 6h 2m 10s ago, saying: 'apt: logs'. |
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| 07:08.24 | findlay | `1234567890-=\|+_)(*&^%$#@!~ |
| 07:08.34 | findlay | just trying out this new font |
| 07:08.38 | findlay | isn't it great? |
| 07:08.51 | maquis | findlay: ummm... sure? |
| 07:47.41 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 07:52.51 | findlay | ~lart nothing |
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| 15:21.23 | xbmodder | ~lart brac |
| 15:29.13 | Hhhhh | anybody here has tried Code::Blocks? |
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| 16:10.18 | harleypig | tensai: i don't have anything on the main site for my domain name. |
| 16:10.40 | harleypig | I really need to get something going ... but I'm just too busy to do that. |
| 16:11.11 | tensai | harleypig: just wondering. maybe a large picture to scare away intruders. |
| 16:11.48 | harleypig | hmmm ... I have one in mind ... ever see that picture of the slightly overweight man sitting naked at his computer (and by slightly I mean *HUGELY*) |
| 16:11.52 | harleypig | ? |
| 16:12.12 | tensai | unfortunately, yes I've seen it |
| 16:12.20 | harleypig | think that'll scare people awawy? |
| 16:12.22 | harleypig | :> |
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| 16:34.57 | emcnabb | harleypig, how about the picture of your green beard? |
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| 16:51.40 | QBFreak | using RedHat's cdrecord on FC4, I'm getting the maximum write speed at 4x for CD, yet I know this burner goes higher than that |
| 16:53.44 | QBFreak | the odd thing is, if I do a cdrecord -prcap it says the max is 4x but then when it lists the write speeds the highest listed there is 40x |
| 16:57.43 | hatchmt | QBFreak: Are you using RW media, by chance? |
| 16:57.47 | QBFreak | nope |
| 16:57.54 | QBFreak | 52x CD-R media |
| 16:58.20 | QBFreak | my first thought was it was the media, originally I was using some old CD-Rs that were laying around, no idea waht speed they were |
| 16:58.25 | emcnabb | have you given it 'speed=X' yet? |
| 16:58.27 | hatchmt | if you pass speed=40, does it still write slow? |
| 16:58.40 | QBFreak | yeah, it reports it's about to write at speed 4.0 |
| 16:58.43 | QBFreak | no matter what I tell it |
| 16:58.51 | QBFreak | I tried speed=8 even |
| 17:00.12 | QBFreak | Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 4.0 in real TAO mode for single session. |
| 17:00.38 | QBFreak | at that point I usually kill it |
| 17:01.05 | hatchmt | Does it behave this way if you use a gui frontend like k3b? |
| 17:01.29 | QBFreak | actually, I havn't tried that yet |
| 17:01.46 | QBFreak | hopefully the machine can handle the GUI and the burner ok :) |
| 17:02.01 | hatchmt | What kind of machine is it? |
| 17:02.10 | QBFreak | I believe it's running at 300Mhz |
| 17:02.16 | emcnabb | hum |
| 17:02.28 | emcnabb | driveropts=forcespeed ? |
| 17:02.30 | QBFreak | should be running closer to 500Mhz but despite setting the jumpers the bios was telling me it was running slower |
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| 17:03.11 | QBFreak | still says 4.0 |
| 17:03.25 | hatchmt | (I have to ask) is this an internal burner, or external? |
| 17:03.31 | QBFreak | internal, IDE |
| 17:04.20 | hatchmt | DMA? |
| 17:04.30 | QBFreak | dunno |
| 17:04.40 | QBFreak | I'm still learning abotu most of this :) |
| 17:05.52 | QBFreak | where would I check that/ |
| 17:06.18 | emcnabb | hdparm -d /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:07.13 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 17:07.38 | QBFreak | hmm, says it's on |
| 17:08.02 | QBFreak | sorry for the delay, I keep forgetting to fix PATH on here and hdparm wasn't in it, had to find it :) |
| 17:08.21 | QBFreak | yeah, it's on for all three burners |
| 17:12.04 | QBFreak | hmm, found a french forum where someone is having the same issue with the same burner, but even translated it's hard to follow :) |
| 17:18.05 | QBFreak | K3B says "Switching down burn speed to 4x" |
| 17:18.26 | QBFreak | saying the media or burner doesn't support 40x |
| 17:19.59 | QBFreak | once it finishes I'll try booting knoppix and see if it says the same thing or not, find out if my issue is the OS/cdrecord version or the drive |
| 17:20.26 | QBFreak | until then, lunch time! |
| 17:20.44 | QBFreak | thanks for the help hatchmt and emcnabb! |
| 17:21.48 | jlp_work | Tene: my daughter's violin is a rental, from the school. |
| 17:41.42 | emcnabb | QBFreak, good luck |
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| 17:51.01 | tensai | ~seen goozbach |
| 17:51.05 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah |
| 17:51.26 | tensai | ibot: but when did he last talk? don't make me look at my own logs! |
| 17:53.28 | tensai | harleypig: you too. your idlerpg avatar isn't online, or least doesn't have voice which I believe mean isn't online |
| 17:58.46 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 18:03.26 | harleypig | tensai: not sure what you mean. |
| 18:04.05 | harleypig | brac, that was too much ... nobody deserves that kind of larting. |
| 18:04.17 | tensai | harleypig: when you sign on to the bots they give you voice in the channel. you don't have voice, therefore I assume you aren't signed in |
| 18:04.32 | maquis | tensai: just invoke him... he'll get back to you as soon as hec can |
| 18:04.57 | tensai | maquis: I invoked at 8:48. didn't get a response. |
| 18:05.01 | tensai | invoke goozbach |
| 18:05.51 | tensai | harleypig: msg 'whoami' to the bot and make sure you're logged in |
| 18:06.29 | harleypig | which bot? |
| 18:06.38 | harleypig | ibot? |
| 18:07.05 | maquis | the bot in idlerpg |
| 18:07.12 | tensai | harleypig: in #idlerpg. newdlebot or oldlebot |
| 18:07.14 | harleypig | oh |
| 18:07.34 | harleypig | woah ... when did that happen? crap |
| 18:07.50 | harleypig | thanks |
| 18:08.39 | maquis | harleypig: last night |
| 18:08.50 | harleypig | woops ... should changed nicks *before* logging in. |
| 18:09.12 | maquis | harleypig: yup |
| 18:10.03 | Uncle_Jesse | tylenol child safety seals suck |
| 18:10.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I had to get through 3 layers of safety just to get my tylenol! |
| 18:10.37 | Uncle_Jesse | at least I know my kids are safe |
| 18:10.39 | harleypig | man ... nethack-idlerpg was logged off too... |
| 18:10.50 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: They can probably open it easier than you can. :> |
| 18:11.09 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - no kidding |
| 18:11.29 | tensai | I find it humorous that half the people in the channel aren't signed in |
| 18:11.35 | Uncle_Jesse | hey, anyone know if Utopia will be available in Taylorsville (32nd west and 62nd south) |
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| 18:13.44 | harleypi1 | wierd |
| 18:13.52 | harleypi1 | dangit ... I thought I changed my nick |
| 18:14.22 | harleypi1 | I did ... so why am I showing up here as harleypi1 ??? |
| 18:14.49 | RyanE | harleypig: that's happened to me when I had two connections in irssi to freenode. |
| 18:14.57 | RyanE | nick change happened on the 'other' connection. |
| 18:15.46 | harleypi1 | hmmm ... so I should log off irssi completely? Or is there a way I can list my connections in irssi? |
| 18:16.17 | Tene | Uncle_Jesse: I'm pretty sure that taylorsville dropped out of Utopia |
| 18:16.42 | RyanE | harleypig: unfortunately, I'm not that familiar with irssi... I somehow managed it. |
| 18:17.15 | QBFreak | -lart DVD-Duper |
| 18:17.54 | QBFreak | I think it's having some serious hardware issues, one keyboard wont work at all, another workse but not all the keys |
| 18:21.49 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: I'm kind of hoping maybe this particular area has it - it is very close to West Valley which they say has it |
| 18:21.56 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: http://www.utopianet.org/ - Taylorsville is not on the list |
| 18:21.57 | brac | [Welcome to the Utah Telecommunication Open Infrastructure Agency (UTOPIA)] |
| 18:28.17 | harleypi1 | http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/252922_annotatedgratefuldead22.html |
| 18:28.21 | brac | [Researcher spent 10 years decoding references in the band's songs] |
| 18:28.26 | harleypi1 | I want this book. |
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| 18:36.14 | goozbach | hmm my invoker is off |
| 18:36.26 | goozbach | tensai: zup? |
| 18:36.46 | tensai | goozbach: your idlerpg avatar isn't logged in |
| 18:37.25 | goozbach | hmm the autologin script seems to be broken... |
| 18:37.34 | goozbach | what is going on here!? |
| 18:37.38 | goozbach | !!!!! |
| 18:40.21 | graphyx | He is discovering us.. Pull out!! |
| 18:40.27 | graphyx | oops.. |
| 18:40.31 | graphyx | That was on the public channel. |
| 18:45.55 | decriptor | I'm interested in writing some gui apps can someone recommend a library over the next |
| 18:46.03 | decriptor | I've been looking at wxWidgets |
| 18:47.34 | goozbach | qt |
| 18:49.17 | decriptor | can I use qt on linux and windows |
| 18:49.37 | decriptor | without worrying about commercial stuff |
| 18:49.50 | byronc | decriptor: as long as you use qt4, yes |
| 18:49.53 | decriptor | I thought I heard that the windows version isn't gpled |
| 18:50.25 | byronc | decriptor: hold on, let me make sure I'm not lying... the qt3 series had that problem |
| 18:51.11 | byronc | decriptor: yeah, version 4 is gpl on windows also |
| 18:51.41 | decriptor | sweet |
| 18:51.59 | decriptor | for someone that hasn't really done a gui before is qt4 still the way to go |
| 18:52.28 | goozbach | qtdesigner is neato |
| 18:52.40 | byronc | decriptor: probably. if you've done windows raw/mfc/wtl before you may want to take a deeper look at wxWidgets |
| 18:53.17 | decriptor | I haven't done anything at all |
| 18:53.21 | decriptor | only console apps |
| 18:56.22 | decriptor | how would I get start with qtdesigner and qt4 on windows ( sorry linux box is at home ) |
| 18:57.01 | decriptor | what with the eval version of at4.1 |
| 18:57.05 | decriptor | qt4.1 |
| 19:01.05 | byronc | decriptor: http://www.trolltech.com/download/qt/windows.html |
| 19:01.08 | brac | [Trolltech - Qt/Windows Open Source Edition - the GPL licensed version of Qt] |
| 19:01.22 | byronc | decriptor: you'll also want to get mingw setup |
| 19:03.11 | QBFreak | I think maybe this system is toasted |
| 19:03.29 | goozbach | take it out of the oven |
| 19:03.33 | QBFreak | I rebooted and I get different max drive speeds than last boot, and the keyboard no longer works |
| 19:03.47 | QBFreak | well, PS/2 keyboards wont work |
| 19:03.56 | QBFreak | the old keyboard with a DIN5 plug worked |
| 19:04.40 | QBFreak | the mouse never worked, but that may be because it's a USB mouse with PS/2 and serial adaptors |
| 19:04.45 | QBFreak | *adapters |
| 19:06.10 | QBFreak | I can't try k3b again because I now lack both keyboard and mouse |
| 19:07.22 | QBFreak | I don't suppose round cables could have anything to do with this? |
| 19:07.34 | QBFreak | it's all the local cable place had on the shelf that was long enough |
| 19:07.47 | harleypi1 | I find it kind of funny |
| 19:07.50 | harleypi1 | I find it kind of sad |
| 19:07.55 | harleypi1 | the dreams in which I'm dying |
| 19:07.59 | harleypi1 | are the best i've ever had |
| 19:08.28 | decriptor | so I can't get qtdesigner then ? |
| 19:10.36 | harleypi1 | find ... just ignore me, just don't /ignore me |
| 19:10.42 | harleypi1 | err ... fine |
| 19:11.01 | mheath | QBFreak: Check for IRQ conflicts and such. I had some weird problems like those, solved by disabling uneeded onboards in he BIOS. |
| 19:11.08 | mheath | harleypi1: Hey. |
| 19:11.13 | harleypi1 | mheath: hay |
| 19:11.17 | mheath | New nick? |
| 19:11.21 | harleypi1 | err ... I mean hey ... :> |
| 19:11.36 | QBFreak | hmm, good idea, I shall do that after I double check my cables are all plugged in all the way |
| 19:11.54 | harleypi1 | no ... don't want to bother with irssi at the moment ... I'm somehow logged in at least twice |
| 19:12.11 | mheath | harleypi1: Ah. Hehehe. |
| 19:12.41 | mheath | 4 days until I leave! |
| 19:12.43 | mheath | :) |
| 19:13.31 | mheath | I work every day (except for Christmas) until then, though |
| 19:16.16 | harleypi1 | gone to lunch |
| 19:16.45 | mheath | Enjoy. |
| 19:16.57 | QBFreak | you know |
| 19:17.02 | QBFreak | somthing just dawned on me |
| 19:17.24 | QBFreak | could this have anything to do with the fact that the board can't handle large drives? |
| 19:17.50 | QBFreak | that is, could 4x simply be the fastest it can feed the drive because of the board's age? |
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| 19:23.45 | byronc | decriptor: you installed qt4.1.0 and it didn't come with the designer? |
| 19:35.34 | QBFreak | linux does NOT handle hot swapping the mouse gracefully |
| 19:37.08 | Uncle_Jesse | mmm...pad thai |
| 19:37.59 | Uncle_Jesse | QBFreak: there might be something out there that works with HAL that detects new mice easily |
| 19:38.17 | Uncle_Jesse | never looked though |
| 19:38.21 | QBFreak | one day, I might look, not today :) |
| 19:38.35 | QBFreak | I was having keyboard issues with one system, so I power cycled the KVM |
| 19:38.43 | QBFreak | that screwed up the mouse on all three linux systems |
| 19:39.01 | QBFreak | windows I just had to have the KVM reset and resync the mouse |
| 19:39.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm hoping more Linux distros rely on HAL more in the future |
| 19:42.07 | decriptor | sorry I spoke before I found it |
| 19:45.32 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 19:53.39 | decriptor | is there a goog howto/intro to qt4 |
| 19:53.57 | decriptor | something that walks you through creating an app or two |
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| 19:59.49 | QBFreak | bah! I have to use windows to upgrade my drive firmware? |
| 20:02.45 | QBFreak | well, testing a few different burners in this machine have proved that the pioneer burners I was using are simply not allowing cdrecord to burn faster than 4x |
| 20:03.15 | QBFreak | I do really appreciate everyone's help while I fought with this stuff :) |
| 20:09.21 | goozbach | decriptor: the help has a good tutorial |
| 20:13.05 | decriptor | sweet |
| 20:13.59 | decriptor | ah that was the one that I was reading online |
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| 20:52.03 | QBFreak | awesomeness, new firmware fixed it all |
| 20:57.21 | Tene | YAY!!!!! |
| 20:58.27 | Tene | QBFreak: your mouse problem was an issue with using a particular mouse device instead of, of example, /dev/input/mice |
| 20:58.34 | bonez39 | anyone else running debian, with OO2, successfully? |
| 21:03.49 | byronc | bonez39: yep, using the one from backports.org |
| 21:05.27 | bonez39 | byronc, how did you get it working? I tried the instructions.html .. changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to includes the link there,, plus changed /etc/apt/prerferences...but can't get it to install fully |
| 21:05.44 | bonez39 | byronc, did you have to delete any earlier versions of OO before installing the 2.x version? |
| 21:06.01 | byronc | bonez39: I didn't have the old version installed |
| 21:06.12 | byronc | bonez39: did you take care of the java dependency already? |
| 21:06.37 | byronc | bonez39: if not, add "deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 21:07.20 | bonez39 | byronc, no, I need to get that cleared up....... |
| 21:07.49 | byronc | bonez39: once you install j2re1.4 you should be able to pin the openoffice.org package and the install should work |
| 21:10.02 | bonez39 | byronc, do you run apt-get install j2rel.4 to install it? |
| 21:10.17 | bonez39 | what does "pin the package x" mean? |
| 21:10.59 | byronc | bonez39: apt-get install j2re1.4 should get the right java package |
| 21:11.35 | byronc | bonez39: by pinning I mean adding these lines to /etc/apt/preferences |
| 21:11.37 | QBFreak | tene: which one, the hot plugging or the usb to ps/2 to serial? |
| 21:11.37 | byronc | Package: openoffice.org |
| 21:11.37 | byronc | Pin: release a=sarge-backports |
| 21:11.37 | byronc | Pin-Priority: 999 |
| 21:11.43 | bonez39 | fyrenice:/home/scott/mydata/dox/letters# apt-get install j2rel.4 |
| 21:11.43 | bonez39 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:11.43 | bonez39 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 21:11.43 | bonez39 | E: Couldn't find package j2rel.4 |
| 21:11.53 | bonez39 | that's what I get when attempting to install j2rel.4 |
| 21:12.01 | Tene | Cubey: hotplugging |
| 21:12.06 | QBFreak | it was the same mouse |
| 21:12.09 | byronc | bonez39: sorry, did you run an apt-get update after adding that line to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:12.10 | Tene | yeah |
| 21:12.11 | QBFreak | I power cycled the KVM |
| 21:12.13 | Tene | I know |
| 21:12.14 | bonez39 | yeah... |
| 21:12.31 | QBFreak | ok |
| 21:12.50 | bonez39 | byronc, only thing is I get this error: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 21:12.55 | brac | [Debian Backports] |
| 21:12.56 | QBFreak | I figured it wasn't Linux itself but some other piece somewhere, but I don't know quite enough about it all to have said what :) |
| 21:13.04 | bonez39 | my apt was updated recently, so it's acting funny now |
| 21:13.12 | byronc | bonez39: are you running etch? |
| 21:13.32 | bonez39 | byronc, not sure what etch is..... |
| 21:14.05 | byronc | bonez39: testing |
| 21:14.05 | bonez39 | version of debian? , no testing..I have no testing or unstable sources..... |
| 21:14.15 | bonez39 | just sarge and stable... |
| 21:14.34 | byronc | bonez39: ummm, the only version of apt that checks Release signatures is in testing and unstable |
| 21:14.56 | byronc | bonez39: but as long as you are willing to live with the warning message you don't need to do anything about it. |
| 21:15.17 | byronc | bonez39: I meant to ask if you ran apt-get update after adding "deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge |
| 21:17.29 | bonez39 | byronc, yeah, i added that to /etc/apt/sources.list and then ran apt-get update |
| 21:17.41 | bonez39 | and then after that I run apt-get install j2rel.4 |
| 21:18.49 | byronc | we don't have a channel pastebin, do we? |
| 21:19.11 | bonez39 | byronc, I was typing apt-get install j2reL.4 instead of j2re1.4 |
| 21:19.24 | byronc | bonez39: oh, that would do it |
| 21:19.52 | bonez39 | sheesh... |
| 21:19.56 | bonez39 | my bad eyes |
| 21:21.15 | bonez39 | ok, so j2re1.4 is downloading now... |
| 21:21.24 | bonez39 | it's funny how it affects my VOIP calls..... |
| 21:21.38 | bonez39 | when it was downloading hard, the call was jittery....funny |
| 21:21.40 | bonez39 | now it's clear |
| 21:45.43 | bonez39 | byronc, ok, got j2re1.4 installed! |
| 21:45.58 | bonez39 | now, you are saying to run apt-get install openoffice.org2? |
| 21:48.59 | jlp_work | "Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." -- The Brigadier, "Dr. Who" |
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| 21:52.59 | spr | Anyone have experience using gtk2-perl? |
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| 21:55.34 | bonez39 | Goshen, welcome |
| 21:55.44 | Goshen | Howdy :) |
| 21:55.52 | bonez39 | byronc, any other suggestions? on oo2 |
| 21:55.57 | Goshen | Had to come in to work for an auto accident patient |
| 21:56.11 | Goshen | I want to give oo 2.0.1 a try |
| 21:56.18 | Goshen | want to see what this new mail merge feature is |
| 21:56.51 | Goshen | Dr. Kummer and I have been trying to get the direct JBDC connection to the mysql database going |
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| 22:10.03 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:10.22 | mheath | I configured Eclipse to work with Servlets (The whole J2EE perspective and all) |
| 22:10.26 | mheath | It's making my head spin |
| 22:10.54 | mheath | I think I'll just stick to doing it in the simple Java perspective, and add the files to Tomcat manually |
| 22:18.17 | mheath | Eclipse is overkill for my likes |
| 22:18.49 | mheath | I like the syntax highlighting, the suggestions/completion, and the project organization (in the normal, simple, Java perpsective) |
| 22:18.56 | mheath | Anything beyond that, is overkill. |
| 22:28.59 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: ping |
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| 22:41.48 | byronc | bonez39: if you've added the right lines to /etc/apt/preferences all you need to do is run apt-get install openoffice.org |
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| 23:06.24 | bonez39 | I am back now |
| 23:06.33 | bonez39 | byronc, finally got it...thanks |
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| 23:10.30 | TimRiker | anyone done nic bonding on linux? I was hoping to find a load balance + failover solution, but bonding.ko does not seem to do what I want. I would like the balancing to happen at a higher level. |
| 23:11.23 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez39: what's the best cure for a kink in the neck? |
| 23:11.25 | goozbach | TimRiker: I've done the client side of etherchannel, but only in a classroom |
| 23:11.56 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: Remove the neck. |
| 23:14.16 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: a hot blonde to give you a massage |
| 23:19.14 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: I tried that this morning with my wife - no luck |
| 23:23.26 | goozbach | offer shoes or diamonds or gold in return |
| 23:24.01 | Uncle_Jesse | no, I got the massage, no luck in feeling better though |
| 23:24.01 | Cindy_Who | TimRiker: you want more than a redundant ethernet connection ? |
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| 23:27.09 | scott | in databases how do you associate one record with a bunch of records in another table that don't necessarily belong to it |
| 23:27.51 | scott | for example, a program has multiple required tests and there's a table called tests, but those tests aren't for a specific program so I wouldn't want to put the id of the program in the test table |
| 23:28.35 | Goshen | Uncle_Jesse: Have a chiropractor remove the kink ;) |
| 23:29.11 | Goshen | We trade medical care for php programming btw ;) |
| 23:29.23 | sjansen | scott: a third tabel to associates tests with programs (many to many relationship) |
| 23:29.58 | goozbach | third table |
| 23:30.04 | goozbach | oh, sjansen said it |
| 23:30.08 | goozbach | :) |
| 23:31.06 | scott | so the programs record wouldn't even have a column involving test? |
| 23:31.38 | RyanE | scott: no |
| 23:32.06 | scott | all right, is there a common naming convention for such tables? |
| 23:32.25 | RyanE | there is if you're using Rails to access it. |
| 23:33.48 | scott | in which case it is? |
| 23:34.00 | RyanE | in Rails, you'd have programs table, 'id' is primary key, tests table, 'id' primary key, and programs_tests table, with program_id and test_id fields, primary key is both. |
| 23:34.50 | scott | thanks |
| 23:34.54 | RyanE_away | scott: sorry about the drive-by DBA'ing. Gotta go. |
| 23:38.14 | scott | so if each program has minimum test scores do I just add another column in that table named minimum_score, but just not have it be primary key? |
| 23:44.34 | TimRiker | Cindy_Who: sorry, rw lag. yes. I'd like load balancing as well as redundancy. |
| 23:45.16 | TimRiker | this is a across a cluster. Looks like the linux bonding mode 6 might be closest to what we need. the xor mac address is interesting too. |
| 23:45.23 | sjansen | scott: sounds reasonable, although it'd make things more complicated if you're using rails |
| 23:46.05 | TimRiker | neither split up a single connection, but spliting up one tcp session can be bad on high speed interfaces as it creates out of order packets which then slow things down by doing retries etc. |
| 23:46.10 | scott | sjansen, so with rails how do I do the minimum score? have a programs_tests_scores table, and a scores table? |
| 23:46.40 | TimRiker | I'l likely setup a few hundred machines and run some performance tests. |
| 23:47.14 | goozbach | TimRiker: looked at the iptables target CLUSTERIP? |
| 23:47.15 | sjansen | not sure |
| 23:47.25 | goozbach | I haven't used it, but it MAY do something like that |
| 23:47.34 | TimRiker | goozbach: ooh. no. I'll look into that... |
| 23:48.13 | goozbach | I just set up a cluster on my laptop :D |
| 23:48.29 | goozbach | 4 XEN guests clustered together :) |
| 23:49.12 | TimRiker | goozbach: oh. normally used to spread across machines. I wonder if it'll work well on multiple nics in one machine? |
| 23:51.56 | TimRiker | hmm. so if I have eth0 and eth1 with different MACs (ie: normal) can I create two virtual interfaces on each and set them to a multicast MAC address? |
| 23:52.14 | TimRiker | er... one virtual on each. two total. |
| 23:54.00 | TimRiker | the hope is not to loose connectivity if one of the two networks is down. ie: one side into one switch and the other into another. then power off a switch and see if everything still works. slower, but it should still work. |
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| 23:54.55 | goozbach | etherchannel plus bonding is what it sounds like |
| 23:55.09 | goozbach | methinks the switches need to support that |
| 23:55.26 | tensai | TimRiker: dunno if it'll help, but I recall that Intel has a binary driver that'll achieve that effect with Intel cards |
| 23:55.36 | TimRiker | well, etherchannel requires bonding the switches, so the interconnect between them would be overloaded with all the cluster traffic I think. |
| 23:55.42 | hans | what's that? ethernet card bonding? |
| 23:55.54 | hans | see Documentation/bonding.txt (I think) |
| 23:56.04 | hans | (linux kernel tree) |
| 23:56.04 | tensai | hans: don't worry about it. ethernet cards never die. <grin> |
| 23:56.06 | Cindy_Who | there's always multi link bundling.. but i've only heard of that with ppp |
| 23:56.13 | TimRiker | hans been there, going to try out some options listed in it. |
| 23:56.21 | hans | it's working well for me |
| 23:56.41 | TimRiker | Cindy_Who: yeah, I can't seem to find docs on multilink for eth. looks like a ppp option. |
| 23:56.43 | Cindy_Who | TimRiker: consider gigabit or fiber? |
| 23:56.52 | hans | except they didn't put the two cards on separate switches and the switch died and it did them no good |
| 23:57.06 | TimRiker | and opening ppp links over ethernet tween hundreds of machines does not sound fun. ;-) |
| 23:57.19 | TimRiker | Cindy_Who: these are all gigabit. |
| 23:57.31 | Cindy_Who | it was an old trick to bundle different dial up accounts together |
| 23:57.42 | TimRiker | 400ish machines talking over dual gigabit interfaces. |
| 23:58.26 | TimRiker | hans: precisely what I'm trying to avoid. |
| 23:58.55 | hans | if they had put the two cables on two switches, it would have saved them a little grief |
| 23:58.59 | TimRiker | the normal bonding docs are aimed at bonding one server into a switch. not bonding an entire clusted into redundant switches. |
| 23:59.06 | hans | not a lot though, since it was a power surge that messed other stuff up too |
| 23:59.49 | TimRiker | hans: I would think that in the normal bonding setup, pluggin into 2 switches would flood the interconnect between the switches. |