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| 00:02.35 | macnewbold | New SSS CD: v2.1 torrent available now at http://softwarefor.org/iso/ |
| 00:03.52 | sjansen | decriptor: how did you originally set the password for your ldap server? |
| 00:04.03 | macnewbold | passwd |
| 00:04.11 | macnewbold | j/k I have no idea |
| 00:04.13 | tensai | decriptor: you dn would be cn=admin,dc=example,dc=com and the password is whatever is listed for rootpw |
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| 00:04.40 | tensai | sjansen: out of the way. the apprentice is now the master. |
| 00:04.42 | decriptor | thats what I thought but it comes back as an error |
| 00:05.11 | tensai | what does it say in the log? |
| 00:06.38 | *** part/#utah macnewbold (n=mac@69.2.248.251) |
| 00:07.13 | decriptor | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14847 |
| 00:09.21 | harleypig | has anyone had any experience with http://www.cheapcomputer.com ? |
| 00:09.22 | brac | [Cheap Computers - Buy Your New Custom Computers Cheap] |
| 00:09.41 | harleypig | One definite plus for me is that they have a 'No Operating' system option. |
| 00:10.31 | tensai | decriptor: that could mean bad password or invalid dn. did you slapadd any ldif files? |
| 00:10.40 | decriptor | no |
| 00:10.51 | tensai | could also mean that you have no objects |
| 00:12.00 | decriptor | likely |
| 00:12.05 | decriptor | how do I go about that |
| 00:12.35 | tensai | I would show you if paste.lisp.org would load. stupid website |
| 00:13.36 | tensai | http://pastebin.com/472468 |
| 00:14.05 | tensai | save that to a file. stop slapd. slapadd -l <thefile.ldif>; start slapd |
| 00:16.44 | tensai | decriptor: I gotta run. see if that works. if not, pester sjansen. he's the one what taught me everything I know. |
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| 00:21.58 | lars-ut | If anybody in here testing seeding for softwarefor.org, please pm me. |
| 00:23.19 | decriptor | sjansen is right |
| 00:23.38 | decriptor | kind of I think txn_aborted! DB_KEYEXIST: Key/data pair already exists (-30996) |
| 00:24.11 | sjansen | that's odd |
| 00:24.19 | decriptor | ldap is odd |
| 00:24.36 | decriptor | and I just don't get it :) |
| 00:24.46 | sjansen | paste the output of 'slapcat | head -100' |
| 00:25.30 | sjansen | but my bet is that the answer is simple, we probably just need to set the admin password to a known value |
| 00:25.49 | decriptor | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14850 |
| 00:26.02 | decriptor | I'm all for it |
| 00:26.21 | decriptor | I tried resetting the password but that didn't work so maybe I'm doing it wrong |
| 00:27.06 | decriptor | if you want to create one I'll try it |
| 00:27.25 | decriptor | maybe I'm the problem and we can eliminate that with you creating a password |
| 00:28.26 | sjansen | did you change the suffix of the slapd.conf that you pasted? |
| 00:28.49 | decriptor | ? |
| 00:29.35 | decriptor | does the suffix need to match the rootdn |
| 00:29.54 | sjansen | the rootdn needs to be under the suffix |
| 00:29.59 | decriptor | it is |
| 00:30.08 | decriptor | suffix "dc=nfmprovo,dc=com" |
| 00:30.08 | decriptor | rootdn "cn=admin,dc=nfmprovo,dc=com" |
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| 00:30.42 | sjansen | okay, that's not what I was seeing in http://paste.lisp.org/display/14846 but it makes more sense |
| 00:31.22 | decriptor | oh I changed it to nfmprovo |
| 00:31.34 | decriptor | but the files are essentially the same |
| 00:31.46 | sjansen | okay, now let's use slappasswd to creat to a new password hash |
| 00:31.48 | decriptor | that and the rootpw is SSHA |
| 00:32.22 | sjansen | the rootpw is "SSHA" or "SSHAouqepojbnpoaghpoi"? |
| 00:32.49 | decriptor | {SSHA}u62vFv+94jdN91EE.... |
| 00:33.18 | sjansen | okay, that's a hash, the actual password is different |
| 00:33.23 | decriptor | right |
| 00:33.30 | sjansen | do you remember what password you entered to get that hash? |
| 00:33.39 | decriptor | yp |
| 00:33.41 | decriptor | yeah |
| 00:33.50 | sjansen | and are you sure that's exactly what you were entering into phpldapadmin? |
| 00:33.56 | mheath | Gah |
| 00:34.02 | decriptor | thought so |
| 00:34.33 | mheath | Do you know what it's like to realize that you might have wasted hundreds of dollars, and that you won't be participating in something you've looked forward to for months? |
| 00:35.20 | decriptor | do I include the {SSHA} on the line or just the hash |
| 00:35.26 | sjansen | neither |
| 00:35.34 | decriptor | oh |
| 00:35.52 | sjansen | I guess I should ask "on what line"? |
| 00:36.07 | decriptor | rootpw {SSHA}[HASH] |
| 00:36.14 | sjansen | Ah, yes, that you do. |
| 00:37.12 | sjansen | Let's try changing the password. Use slappaswd to get a new hash, put it in your slapd.conf, restart slapd and try logging in. |
| 00:38.00 | decriptor | ok |
| 00:38.31 | sjansen | be back in a few minutes |
| 00:44.36 | sjansen | one thing I like to do to make sure I'm entering a password exactly the same is to paste it into slappasswd then paste it into the app I'm using to log in |
| 00:46.28 | decriptor | am I right to type in slappasswd - and then type in the password when prompted and then copy the hash into the slap.conf file |
| 00:46.53 | sjansen | that seems right, unfortunately I don't have access to a copy right now |
| 00:48.06 | decriptor | is there another way to test it other than phpldapadmin |
| 00:48.23 | sjansen | after you stop slapd, do a ps -ef to make sure that it really did stop |
| 00:48.37 | sjansen | I've sometimes seen it get wedged and not really restart. |
| 00:50.33 | decriptor | I think that did it |
| 00:50.39 | decriptor | It logged me in |
| 00:50.54 | decriptor | I do get this once I've logged in |
| 00:51.01 | decriptor | Could not determine the root of your LDAP tree. |
| 00:51.01 | decriptor | It appears that the LDAP server has been configured to not reveal its root. |
| 00:51.02 | decriptor | Please specify it in config.php |
| 00:51.29 | sjansen | you can log in from the command line with ldapsearch |
| 00:51.52 | decriptor | phpldapadmin |
| 00:53.46 | decriptor | I was able to log into pla |
| 00:53.56 | sjansen | cool |
| 00:54.07 | decriptor | how do I set the root of my LDAP tree |
| 00:54.51 | sjansen | put the value of your suffix (dc=nfmprovo,dc=com) in pla's config.php |
| 00:54.54 | decriptor | I guess pla can't find it |
| 00:55.24 | sjansen | I don't remember how to configure openldap to advertise the root dn, etc. but google should be able to find it |
| 00:55.41 | decriptor | I don't mind if I have to set it for now |
| 00:55.42 | sjansen | ldap isn't actually that complex, it's just hard to find good documentation on it |
| 00:55.50 | decriptor | I'm just not sure where to declare it |
| 00:57.23 | sjansen | I don't know, although I'd expect a comment giving a clue. Maybe you could paste your config.php |
| 00:58.13 | decriptor | http://paste.lisp.org/display/14852 |
| 00:58.19 | decriptor | I think this is where is would be |
| 01:00.02 | sjansen | $ldapservers->SetValue($i,'server','base',array('dc=nfmprovo,dc=com')); |
| 01:00.12 | sjansen | is my guess, although I'm not sure about that $i |
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| 01:01.01 | decriptor | sweet that did it |
| 01:01.21 | decriptor | the $i I think is for if you declare multiply ldap directories |
| 01:01.38 | decriptor | thanks a ton for the help I really really appreciate it it saved me a ton of time |
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| 01:16.00 | mheath | Wow |
| 01:16.09 | mheath | Stealing my backpack right now would land you in federal prison :D |
| 01:35.33 | goozbach | postgres++ |
| 01:46.35 | sjansen | vacation++ |
| 01:48.30 | emcnabb | sleep++ |
| 01:48.37 | graphyx | income++; |
| 01:48.43 | graphyx | drat. didn't work. |
| 01:50.21 | mheath | graphyx: Consider yourself lucky |
| 01:50.35 | graphyx | mheath: Why do you say that? |
| 01:50.55 | mheath | You're not sitting here, stressing over an issue that may basically cause you to have wasted about 3 months worth of paychecks |
| 01:51.23 | graphyx | That happen to you? |
| 01:51.58 | mheath | graphyx: Yeah. I lost a bit of important paperwork, and now might not be able to do something I've spent close to $1,000 buying gear and airline tickets for. |
| 01:52.14 | graphyx | oh man! |
| 01:52.22 | graphyx | That is a doosey! |
| 01:52.45 | emcnabb | mheath, I bet graphyx has a lot more stuff to worry about financially than you; he has a family to take care of |
| 01:53.07 | graphyx | and fortunately 3 months of salary is a little bit more than $1k |
| 01:53.17 | mheath | emcnabb: He also makes a lot more in 3 months than I do :D |
| 01:53.18 | graphyx | 4 kids! |
| 01:53.28 | emcnabb | but do you pay rent? |
| 01:53.31 | emcnabb | or for food? |
| 01:53.46 | mheath | I'm just glad that I'm guaranteed financial security when I'm older |
| 01:53.48 | mheath | emcnabb: I help, yes. |
| 01:54.23 | graphyx | mheath: How old are you |
| 01:54.23 | graphyx | ? |
| 01:54.33 | emcnabb | no one is guaranteed financial security |
| 01:55.03 | emcnabb | markets crash, disasters happen |
| 01:55.20 | emcnabb | you may have a secure future |
| 01:55.24 | sjansen | mheath: at least you don't have a junky old computer habit hanging around your kneck like a dead albatross |
| 01:55.31 | mheath | emcnabb: meh, it would take an amazing change to effect my financial security. |
| 01:55.38 | mheath | graphyx: 16. |
| 01:55.39 | graphyx | emcnabb: Quit being such a pessimist. |
| 01:55.59 | sjansen | emcnabb has come close to losing his wife twice after dragging home old hardware instead of children |
| 01:56.04 | graphyx | mheath: I have had 2 of my wife's brothers live with us for over a year each and they never contributed to the rent. |
| 01:56.07 | emcnabb | I'm just sick of hearing mheath brag about how he has it made all of the time |
| 01:56.11 | graphyx | IF you want a place to live.. let me know ;) |
| 01:56.21 | mheath | emcnabb: Um |
| 01:56.29 | mheath | emcnabb: Go talk to a recruiter |
| 01:56.31 | sjansen | and just between you and me, I think emcnabb has started selling his possessions to support the habit |
| 01:56.34 | mheath | I'm talking about US Navy enlisted pay. |
| 01:56.41 | mheath | Financial security |
| 01:56.42 | sjansen | he wore the same shirt for three straight days last week |
| 01:56.50 | mheath | How is that bragging about "having it made"? |
| 01:57.17 | mheath | You can do it. Anyone can do it. They'd be glad to have you. |
| 01:57.25 | graphyx | emcnabb: The president is pretty well off and is bound to continue to be.. as well as most of the other politicians in DC. |
| 01:57.30 | emcnabb | oh, I thought you were talking about how you own all that oil company stock |
| 01:58.12 | mheath | emcnabb: O.o We have a couple thousand dollars in an oil company (who's stock keeps dropping). We got it from my grandpa's retirement plan with them. |
| 01:58.21 | mheath | Thats NOT financial security :D |
| 01:58.31 | emcnabb | and that's what I thought you were referring to |
| 01:58.32 | graphyx | no I wouldn't say stocks are financial securit. |
| 01:58.40 | graphyx | Real estate is much better. |
| 01:59.00 | mheath | graphyx: Indeed it is ;-) |
| 01:59.17 | graphyx | mheath: I have a duplex that I own and live in. |
| 01:59.20 | sjansen | mheath: btw, have you explored your options if you don't find the ID card? I doubt your the first person to have this problem, I'd expect they have a reasonable contigency you can excercise. |
| 01:59.28 | graphyx | Half the mortgage gets paid each month by the renters. |
| 01:59.50 | sjansen | graphyx: real estate and a gun ;-) |
| 02:00.21 | sjansen | ~tease emcnabb |
| 02:00.22 | ibot | ACTION tickles emcnabb with a feather and makes emcnabb rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 02:00.24 | emcnabb | I think real estate in many cases is overpriced |
| 02:00.32 | emcnabb | in many parts of the country |
| 02:00.39 | graphyx | There is a lot of that. |
| 02:00.55 | mheath | sjansen: I think I have the issue resolved, just not sure |
| 02:01.08 | mheath | And yes, theres ways to get a new one and stuff, pretty easily actually |
| 02:01.13 | graphyx | The secret is that if you own it and have it rented out to cover the mortgage, you are earning equity on the house no matter what the market is doing. |
| 02:01.15 | mheath | Just not within a few days :D |
| 02:01.28 | emcnabb | but will it always be rented out? |
| 02:01.36 | graphyx | emcnabb: It's true that the rising interest rate makes it harder to purcahse a house. |
| 02:01.54 | graphyx | ie. more money goes out for the same house (with the same price or lower price) |
| 02:01.55 | emcnabb | what if Utah has a local recession (which isn't likely) |
| 02:02.04 | mheath | Buying stuff like duplex's isn't where the true money in real estate lies, anyway |
| 02:02.07 | graphyx | You just offer it at a lower rent rate. |
| 02:02.13 | graphyx | mheath: Pray tell. |
| 02:02.25 | emcnabb | do you think that others won't drop their rates too? |
| 02:02.50 | graphyx | There are always chances. |
| 02:02.57 | mheath | Disclaimer, for emcnabb: This isn't braggining. I'm about to talk about something that's been in my family for generations, that I'd never think about selling for a profit |
| 02:03.01 | graphyx | That is why you hedge your bet by keeping reserves. |
| 02:03.48 | mheath | graphyx: My Great Grandfather collected some land in Colorado, from a sheepherder who couldn't pay him back on a loan, around the turn of the century |
| 02:03.57 | graphyx | That is so true. |
| 02:04.08 | graphyx | Get land that didn't used to be worth much and hang on to it for a long time. |
| 02:04.14 | mheath | It sat in our family for about 80 years, as nearly worthless farm land up in the mountains somewhere |
| 02:04.45 | mheath | Around 1980, though, a lot of rich people decided the area would make a great summer retreat, and a nearby mining down became a major ski resort destination |
| 02:05.03 | graphyx | perfect. |
| 02:05.18 | mheath | The value of the land inflated more than you could imagine |
| 02:05.24 | graphyx | I can |
| 02:05.45 | mheath | Which sucks for us, because we have no interest in selling it and are struggling with taxes on it |
| 02:05.54 | graphyx | That does stink. |
| 02:06.13 | graphyx | Whats the sentimental value that doesn't allow you to sell it? |
| 02:06.13 | emcnabb | my grandparents sold a bunch of land to an outlet mall back in the late '80s early 90's in southern Indiana: http://www.premiumoutlets.com/outlets/outlet.asp?id=51 |
| 02:06.15 | mheath | My dad had to take out a million dollar life insurance policy that we can barely afford, back when they still had estate taxes. |
| 02:06.15 | brac | [Edinburgh Premium Outlets] |
| 02:06.48 | graphyx | My parents paid for one semester of college for me. |
| 02:06.51 | emcnabb | although I will probably get lots of it someday, I still don't even consider it in my financial future |
| 02:06.55 | graphyx | So glad you guys have resources. |
| 02:07.00 | sjansen | My grand kids are going to be SO rich!!!1! |
| 02:07.31 | mheath | graphyx: Its been in our family for over 100 years. It's just not something I'd think of selling. |
| 02:07.38 | graphyx | mheath: Fair enough. |
| 02:07.39 | emcnabb | but I really don't care if I get it or not; I want to make my future |
| 02:07.51 | graphyx | but there may come a point when it would become worth it. |
| 02:08.11 | graphyx | well you shouldn't sell it. |
| 02:08.19 | mheath | graphyx: I'd feel bad deviding up that land, too. Everyone else has been subdividing and reselling, to the point where our family's ranch is surrounded by little 35 acre parsels |
| 02:08.24 | graphyx | But make a rural living area with lots there. |
| 02:08.33 | graphyx | for housing. |
| 02:08.43 | mheath | graphyx: thats exactly what everyone else is doing, and what I don't want to do |
| 02:08.52 | graphyx | When the price gets up to 200K per acre it may be worth it to sell it. |
| 02:09.32 | mheath | graphyx: It's beautiful open land, and one of the last privately owned instances of that in the area |
| 02:09.40 | graphyx | I bet. |
| 02:09.48 | graphyx | I am just saying that there may come a time to sell it. |
| 02:10.00 | mheath | 6,000 acres of beautiful land. Everyone else is fencing, subdiving, wanting to add electricity and telephone lines... |
| 02:10.09 | graphyx | wait longer.. |
| 02:10.56 | mheath | Plus, it'd be impossible to sell right now. |
| 02:11.20 | mheath | It's all cowned by my Dad, his cousins, and his sister |
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| 02:11.49 | mheath | His sister has some minor mental problems, and is paranoid. They've made attempts, but she refuses to officialy split the land up |
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| 02:12.05 | mheath | Not for any sentimental reasons, but because shes paranoid everyones out to give her the worst piece. |
| 02:12.21 | graphyx | Then offer to sell it all and give out percentages of the income. |
| 02:12.50 | mheath | She'd be paranoid we're giving her less than her share. :) |
| 02:12.56 | mheath | That's how bad she is. |
| 02:13.11 | mheath | graphyx: I have no interest in selling the land, graphyx, and I never will |
| 02:13.24 | mheath | I plan to take steps legally to make sure its never devided, too. |
| 02:13.42 | graphyx | I wouldn't recommend that step. |
| 02:13.46 | graphyx | but its ok to not sell it. |
| 02:13.53 | mheath | I don't want, 5 generations from now, when theres dozens of owners, for it to be chopped into tiny pieces. |
| 02:13.55 | mheath | I don |
| 02:14.23 | mheath | I don't want arguing over it, I don't want bickering. It's a nice, enjoyable, functional piece of land thats been in our family for generations. |
| 02:17.50 | sjansen | nice, hang the tax burden on future generations and give them a reason to go at each other's necks |
| 02:18.12 | mheath | I shouldn't have brought it up. I hate discussing it, mainly because people think I'm rich afterwards. |
| 02:18.31 | mheath | I'm functionally poorer than most of you, probably. |
| 02:19.58 | graphyx | most 16 year olds are functionally poorer than college grads that are working. |
| 02:20.08 | graphyx | so it's not that hard of a thing to swallow. |
| 02:20.19 | graphyx | no offence intended. |
| 02:20.29 | graphyx | No argument intended either. |
| 02:24.12 | sjansen | When I was your age, I had to walk up hill both ways through the snow to school. |
| 02:24.43 | sjansen | (Although, admittedly, that was my own fault because I wasn't smart enough to take the opposite course which would have been down hill both ways.) |
| 02:24.45 | emcnabb | oh yeah, I had to walk up hill both ways through the snow to school... NAKED. |
| 02:25.13 | graphyx | emcnabb: I don't even want to no. |
| 02:25.16 | graphyx | to know. |
| 02:26.37 | sjansen | At least you were naked. My parents made me were sand paper. |
| 02:26.52 | graphyx | s/were/wear/ |
| 02:27.35 | emcnabb | well, the chains on my hands and feet were just as bad as sand paper |
| 02:27.41 | sjansen | s/graphyx/something that makes me look witty while embarrasing graphyx/ |
| 02:28.17 | Tripping_In_Fron | ok so you got your wish.. |
| 02:28.50 | emcnabb | so graphyx, why did you choose that handle? |
| 02:29.10 | graphyx | I was just fulfilling sjansen's request. |
| 02:29.28 | emcnabb | (I mean why do you have graphyx as your nick) |
| 02:29.42 | emcnabb | (I should have been specific) |
| 02:30.07 | sjansen | (I want to get in othe parentheses thing.) |
| 02:30.09 | graphyx | When I was 13 or so I was into the BBS scene in the bay area and was getting into creating ascii art for the BBS'es that I frequented. |
| 02:30.19 | sjansen | (look at me, look at me, over here, look at me) |
| 02:30.43 | emcnabb | (sjansen is a dork) |
| 02:30.50 | graphyx | once it had be graphite and I just permuted it to be graphics - > graphyx |
| 02:31.05 | emcnabb | cool |
| 02:31.10 | graphyx | . o O (Why are these guys talking in parenthesises?) |
| 02:31.18 | emcnabb | (because) |
| 02:31.29 | sjansen | (emcnabb made me do it) |
| 02:32.06 | graphyx | and you? |
| 02:32.07 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 02:33.33 | graphyx | ~rlart for just because |
| 02:33.40 | sjansen | I was assigned sjansen on the first BBS I ever used. (SendIt, a state funded BBS for schools.) |
| 02:34.16 | graphyx | but I have come to learn that I am not the only nor the first person to use the handle graphyx |
| 02:35.31 | mheath | wow, I'm 100% packed and ready to go! |
| 02:35.33 | mheath | :) |
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| 02:37.59 | mheath | Haha, what a poorly worded headline |
| 02:38.10 | mheath | "Wiretaping anger crosses party lines" =D |
| 02:38.48 | graphyx | That is really a bad headline.. |
| 02:38.55 | graphyx | Glad to hear you got your ID situation cleared up. |
| 02:39.42 | graphyx | that headlines has more potential ambiguous meanings than it does words. |
| 02:39.47 | graphyx | s/headlines/headline |
| 02:40.06 | mheath | I'm sure they mean political parties... |
| 02:40.32 | mheath | But if you consider what "party lines" used to be in telephone terminology, and there implication with wiretapping...it gets a little ambiguous. |
| 02:41.52 | graphyx | and crossing wires.. |
| 02:42.02 | graphyx | er.. crossing lines. |
| 02:42.23 | mheath | Hmmm, Google bought part of AOL |
| 02:42.35 | graphyx | lets hope they don't do a logo merge. |
| 02:43.08 | mheath | Google's interesting. I'm not sure whether to assume they're success is a bubble soon to burst, or that their new unique business strategies brought them true and continuous success |
| 02:43.39 | graphyx | I think what they are doing to support OSS is great. |
| 02:43.53 | graphyx | It's nice to know that there are businesses out there that will support it. |
| 02:44.31 | mheath | I've been really impressed with Sun's efforts to do the same lately, too. |
| 02:45.32 | graphyx | I don't know if Sun will be able to pull it off. |
| 02:45.53 | graphyx | Seems a lot of the older companies haven't been able to adjust to the new way of business. |
| 02:50.43 | sjansen | I don't trust Sun. It's manic. We'll be seeing it change its tune soon. |
| 02:57.28 | maquis | stupid question: i want to copy an iso from a dvd... i'm thinking i can do it with dd, but i don't know how |
| 02:58.23 | graphyx | dd if=/dev/dvdrom of=/path/to/file/you/want/to/save/it/to |
| 02:58.39 | maquis | ok... but... do i need to mount the drive, or not? |
| 02:58.51 | maquis | so, if is infile, of is outfile, right? |
| 02:58.53 | graphyx | I think that you aren't required to mount it. |
| 02:58.56 | graphyx | yes. |
| 03:00.24 | maquis | [amon-re /root] dd if=/dev/acd0 of=./osx.iso |
| 03:00.24 | maquis | dd: /dev/acd0: Invalid argument |
| 03:00.24 | maquis | 0+0 records in |
| 03:00.24 | maquis | 0+0 records out |
| 03:00.24 | maquis | 0 bytes transferred in 0.000077 secs (0 bytes/sec) |
| 03:00.27 | maquis | [amon-re /root] |
| 03:01.07 | graphyx | I could be wrong on the mount issue. |
| 03:01.13 | maquis | hmm... can't seem to mount it |
| 03:01.15 | graphyx | It's been a while since I did anything with dd |
| 03:01.42 | graphyx | Are you able to fdisk the dvd? |
| 03:01.54 | sjansen | you don't have to mount |
| 03:02.03 | sjansen | you do have to have read on the device |
| 03:02.39 | maquis | sjansen: i'm root |
| 03:02.56 | maquis | as for fdisk, i'm trying to figure out what the equivalent of fdisk -l is |
| 03:03.26 | sjansen | fdisking a cd doesn't have much point since they don't have partitions |
| 03:03.37 | maquis | ah |
| 03:03.46 | maquis | is it a problem if this is a bootable disk? |
| 03:03.47 | graphyx | wouldn't that prove its readability? |
| 03:04.00 | maquis | particularly a bootable disk not meant for linux? |
| 03:04.01 | graphyx | or rather verify it? |
| 03:04.47 | maquis | i do get something back when i call 'head /dev/acd0 |
| 03:05.04 | maquis | [amon-re /root] head /dev/acd0 |
| 03:05.04 | maquis | ERThZ@PM?AppleApple_partition_map?PMMacintoshApple_Driver_ATAPDMMYPMHTMac_OS_XApple_HFST@3goonPMThP |
| 03:05.07 | maquis | Apple_FreeH+10.0lԾmaҾmD% |
| 03:05.10 | maquis | tH@Dx) |
| 03:05.11 | maquis | then it goes off into straight garbage |
| 03:05.31 | graphyx | I must admit that is one of the more difficult ways of reading a dvd.. ;) |
| 03:05.36 | sjansen | you're sure that's a CD? |
| 03:05.41 | maquis | sjansen: it's a dvd |
| 03:06.05 | sjansen | huh, my guess would have been hard drive based on that beginning |
| 03:06.05 | maquis | the problem is, my dad got an apple upgrade for OSX, but they gave it to him in dvd... |
| 03:06.11 | maquis | one of the machines only reads cd-rom |
| 03:06.28 | graphyx | upgrade the system. |
| 03:06.28 | maquis | but, in order to get the disks in cd-rom, he has to return the dvd and they won't give it back |
| 03:06.32 | maquis | but he wants it in dvd |
| 03:06.48 | graphyx | Or just swap the dvd drive long enough to upgrade it. |
| 03:06.58 | maquis | graphyx: any idea how to do that on a g4 cube? |
| 03:07.07 | graphyx | nope. |
| 03:07.13 | graphyx | I don't now own a mac. |
| 03:07.22 | maquis | the cube isn't exactly easy to mod |
| 03:07.24 | graphyx | and never have owned anything of the "g" class. |
| 03:07.40 | graphyx | borrow an external mounting one. |
| 03:07.56 | maquis | we don't know anyone around here that would have one |
| 03:07.59 | graphyx | use it as an excuse to buy an external dvd burner.. |
| 03:08.03 | graphyx | Where are you? |
| 03:08.07 | maquis | i tried to convince my dad of that |
| 03:08.15 | maquis | about 45 minutes from seattle |
| 03:08.21 | graphyx | You are out of the Provo/Orem area then are you? |
| 03:08.24 | sjansen | Why does he want it as DVD? Seems to me like there's an easy and reasonable solution to this problem. |
| 03:08.40 | maquis | sjansen: he wants it for the future... so that after he replaces this machine, he hsa it in dvd |
| 03:09.01 | maquis | and all the other machines read dvd |
| 03:09.05 | sjansen | because he expects future machines to be unable to read cds? |
| 03:09.15 | maquis | because my dad wants to have dvds... |
| 03:09.23 | graphyx | my the time he needs it again he will have a new upgrade to use. |
| 03:09.27 | graphyx | in dvd format. |
| 03:09.28 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:09.29 | sjansen | like I said, easy and reasonable solution |
| 03:10.09 | maquis | sjansen: sure... but this is my dad... |
| 03:10.21 | graphyx | We all have them. |
| 03:10.55 | sjansen | you made the mistake of telling him it could be done, now you'll have to explain it's too much work (or that you can't) |
| 03:11.05 | maquis | i told him i'd try |
| 03:11.11 | maquis | i didn't say it was possible |
| 03:11.40 | maquis | i told him that there might be some sort of drm stopping me (i suppose i can use this in an attempt to explain that drm is bad) |
| 03:11.45 | graphyx | I am sure that it is possible given enough knowledge. But I don't think it is reasonable in its current incantation. |
| 03:12.11 | maquis | why can head read it if dd can't? |
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| 03:13.11 | maquis | He who builds a better mousetrap these days runs into material shortages, patent-infringement suits, work stoppages, collusive bidding, discount discrimination--and taxes." |
| 03:13.14 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.36 | graphyx | pessimist! |
| 03:13.39 | maquis | oops... srry |
| 03:13.47 | maquis | graphyx: true |
| 03:13.50 | maquis | but.. :) |
| 03:14.49 | sjansen | realist! |
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| 04:29.54 | maquis | my best friend from hs just got engaged!!!! |
| 04:39.58 | tensai | maquis: to you?!? |
| 04:49.10 | maquis | tensai: no |
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| 05:37.37 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 05:37.42 | mheath | Hi, everyone :) |
| 05:38.19 | mheath | How is everyone tonight? |
| 05:40.51 | maquis | ~spell malleable |
| 05:41.09 | maquis | w00t! |
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| 05:46.37 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 05:47.51 | mheath | Argh, I forgot to ask for christmas eve off of work! |
| 05:48.02 | mheath | That makes me really sad |
| 05:48.20 | mheath | Our big christmas eve party...Thats like the one time of the year now where I see all my cousins, aunts, uncles, and my Grandma |
| 05:48.48 | mheath | This is the last year I'm positively even going to be in town for it, and I forgot to ask for time off of work :( |
| 05:52.51 | goozbach | bah humbug |
| 05:53.00 | tensai | hah bumbug |
| 05:53.26 | mheath | Heres the plajn |
| 05:53.29 | mheath | *plan |
| 05:53.39 | mheath | No one come to applebees on Christmas Eve, OK? |
| 05:53.46 | mheath | That way, it will be really slow, and they won't need me |
| 05:53.58 | mheath | So I can go to my family's Christmas party! |
| 05:54.07 | tensai | I promise I won't be at your applebees on Christmas Eve |
| 05:54.23 | mheath | Why would anyone go to Applebees to eat on Christmas Eve, anyway? |
| 05:54.45 | mheath | I can't believe I forgot about this |
| 05:55.14 | mheath | I mean, seriously, I'm enlisting in a few months. This is one of my last chances to see all these extended family members :( |
| 05:55.38 | mheath | But, theres always the next day |
| 05:55.56 | mheath | Which involves presents, and excited laughter when my niece and nephew see the cool things I got them :) |
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| 06:16.28 | tensai | -lart comment spam |
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| 06:34.43 | findlay | maquis: so what's your name? Will you tell me? Will ya? Will ya??? |
| 06:35.01 | findlay | maquis: you should have told that guy your name was Aaron |
| 06:35.13 | maquis | findlay: that woulda been funny |
| 06:35.28 | maquis | unless it was a girl, and she tried to hit on me... |
| 06:35.31 | maquis | in which case... |
| 06:35.39 | maquis | it still woulda been funny... just in a very different way |
| 06:56.50 | goozbach | okok I know it's near the end of your shift but you're a freaking bartender you're job is to keep my glass full. |
| 06:57.24 | goozbach | and the dude has the gumption to complain about the small tip |
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| 14:02.23 | graphyx | morning. |
| 14:06.12 | pjw | ~weather |
| 14:07.12 | graphyx | -weather |
| 14:07.15 | brac | 12 minutes ago, on Wed Dec 21 13:55:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.06 meters per second (4.60 miles per hour) from the West at KPVU. The temperature was -2 degrees Celsius (28 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1029 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 79.9%. The sky was clear. |
| 14:07.28 | pjw | thanks :-) |
| 14:07.40 | graphyx | sure. |
| 14:07.50 | amcnabb | good morning |
| 14:07.52 | graphyx | That's Provo Airport. Just to make sure it's relevant to you. |
| 14:07.57 | graphyx | hey amcnabb How are you doing? |
| 14:08.06 | amcnabb | Pretty good. |
| 14:08.14 | amcnabb | I don't really want to be up this early, though. |
| 14:08.22 | pjw | Thanks. I recognized KPVU. |
| 14:08.23 | graphyx | then why are you? |
| 14:08.29 | amcnabb | I've got to go to the airport. |
| 14:08.39 | graphyx | flying home? |
| 14:08.42 | amcnabb | yep |
| 14:08.56 | graphyx | and yet somehow you manage to hop on to Irc prior to leaving. |
| 14:09.04 | graphyx | You guys are just so much more geeky than I/ |
| 14:09.14 | graphyx | If it weren't up at work like it is for me, I probably wouldn't be here. |
| 14:09.44 | amcnabb | :) |
| 14:10.00 | graphyx | I think I know what it is. |
| 14:10.10 | graphyx | You are the Aim chatbot worm. and you are trying to infect my system!!! |
| 14:10.22 | graphyx | BRing it on BABY!! lets see you ownz3r my linux bebox!! |
| 14:10.38 | graphyx | Or you are just up earlier than needed and are trying to kill some time. |
| 14:10.40 | amcnabb | Does this mean I don't pass the Turing Test? |
| 14:10.51 | graphyx | I haven't even administered it. |
| 14:10.59 | graphyx | but what sane being would be up this early to chat? |
| 14:11.22 | graphyx | It's hard to pass the turing test when you answer every question in a surreal way. |
| 14:11.27 | amcnabb | I'm getting some stuff done before I go. |
| 14:11.38 | graphyx | (Whats 2+2? Ans: Green telephone poles_ |
| 14:11.41 | amcnabb | So I started up irssi while I was here. |
| 14:11.48 | graphyx | I'm just playing. |
| 14:11.51 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.17 | emcnabb | good morning |
| 14:48.41 | mheath | Hey, emcnabb |
| 14:49.01 | byronc | morning |
| 14:49.33 | mheath | Have to leave in a moment, for my whopping hour of school this morning. |
| 14:51.54 | graphyx | um.. they are having you go to school for "1" hour? |
| 14:51.59 | graphyx | Whats the point? |
| 14:52.53 | mheath | graphyx: Most people are going for about 3 hours |
| 14:53.40 | mheath | I usually go out to another school for my engineering class, but they're not holding that today (school gets out so early, we'd barely get out there ebfore it'd be over) |
| 14:56.14 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 14:57.26 | mheath | Besides, I have to go help my CS teacher |
| 14:57.52 | mheath | I made the mistake of showing him how to comment his Java code for javadoc |
| 14:58.14 | mheath | He's having the entire class right tons of comments for every little thing, now |
| 14:58.24 | mheath | Today I have to show him how to actually use javadoc -_- |
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| 16:25.19 | SpecialK | So what's wrong with BYU CS mail servers today? Did OIT finally realize it was sending mail and shut them down? |
| 16:26.14 | SpecialK | Our list servers bounced 8 worm messages over the last semester so they were threatening to shut it down. |
| 16:28.50 | graphyx | Any ideas about this one? I have a dell 2400 which I am trying to get sound to work on. I have compiled the kernel with alsa and the AC 97 PCI sound. I am able to do the cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp and have checked alsa and both PCM And Master are at full, yet the speakers don't get any static. Any ideas on what I should check next? |
| 16:29.01 | graphyx | Also: The alsamixer reports the correct sound card for the system. |
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| 16:38.59 | sjansen | have you also checked all the levels in alsamixer? |
| 16:39.29 | sjansen | someone else can explain them to you, 'cause I can't, but often when sound isn't working it's because I need to turn up PCM or such |
| 16:40.27 | graphyx | sjansen: Yeah I have checked them all. |
| 16:40.33 | graphyx | PCM and Main were turned up. |
| 16:41.01 | harleypig | Weird ... really weird: http://www.watchingamerica.com/lastampa000003.shtml |
| 16:41.03 | brac | [Watching America] |
| 16:45.31 | harleypig | I didn't scroll all the way down on that link ... watch out for the pig picture ... |
| 16:45.58 | sjansen | borderline work safe |
| 16:46.17 | harleypig | ok bob ... for 50 keys ... *WHAT* is your name? |
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| 16:48.46 | graphyx | harleypig: That article was something.. not quite sure what, but something it was.. |
| 16:48.53 | graphyx | now that picture wasn't needed at all... |
| 16:49.10 | graphyx | I wouldn't recommend frequenting that site to anyone I was related to... |
| 16:49.47 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:53.16 | harleypig | good morning class ... good morning class ... |
| 16:53.21 | harleypig | class ... claaaaasss |
| 16:53.25 | harleypig | SHUTUUUUUUP! |
| 16:53.50 | harleypig | thenk you |
| 16:55.21 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds | if you're looking to donate an old computer, check out stuporglue.org |
| 16:55.49 | RyanE | so did anyone go to the geek dinner last night? |
| 16:59.20 | tensai | RyanE: apparently that's a "no" |
| 17:03.16 | RyanE | apparently. |
| 17:05.31 | tensai | I went carolling last night |
| 17:05.40 | tensai | ~spell carolling |
| 17:05.52 | tensai | ~spell caroling |
| 17:06.33 | tensai | answers.com says both are right, fyi |
| 17:07.10 | sjansen | ~tart tensai |
| 17:07.12 | ibot | ACTION grabs her fully automatic pop tart gun and fires a hot stream at tensai |
| 17:08.38 | harleypig | oh wow man ... I hit the horn by mistake ... |
| 17:09.42 | sjansen | harleypig: time to get out of the office for a bit, you're breathing wacky weed from next door again |
| 17:10.09 | harleypig | sjansen: considering I'm listening to cheech & chong that's not far off. |
| 17:12.13 | harleypig | that was otis elevator singing 'I've had my ups and downs!' |
| 17:12.34 | SpecialK | there was a geek dinner last night? |
| 17:12.56 | graphyx | harleypig: bad pun!! |
| 17:13.21 | mheath | Hmm |
| 17:13.44 | mheath | I need to run to Walmart, but I'm feeling lazy |
| 17:14.10 | mheath | I get 4 days of actual vacation before I leave for my training :) |
| 17:15.27 | mheath | Finally got all packed up |
| 17:15.41 | mheath | I could walk on the plane right now, and be good to go. |
| 17:16.07 | mheath | harleypig: I don't know how you guys do it. I've seen jarheads all packed up for deployment with just a large ALICE pack |
| 17:16.20 | mheath | I couldn't fit half my stuff for this training in an ALICE pack |
| 17:16.32 | harleypig | mheath: we didn't have a whole lot to pack ... |
| 17:16.55 | harleypig | the only thing a marine needs is his rifle and his gun :D |
| 17:17.03 | mheath | Haha |
| 17:17.27 | mheath | A coat, two pairs of BDUs, and some misc gear, and that bag is stuffed |
| 17:17.48 | harleypig | it's the msic gear that kills you. |
| 17:18.11 | mheath | I'm just talking about my covers, field knife, gloves, compass, etc. |
| 17:18.47 | mheath | I had to stick my utility uniforms in my seabag (duffle bag), along with my boots |
| 17:18.47 | mheath | No room |
| 17:19.02 | harleypig | It's called 'folding' ... |
| 17:19.14 | harleypig | :] |
| 17:19.16 | mheath | harleypig: I've folded! :) |
| 17:19.58 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:19.59 | mheath | harleypig: You don't need to give ME a lecture on folding and packing....your the jarhead, I'm the squid! :D |
| 17:19.59 | harleypig | ! :D |
| 17:20.22 | mheath | I think part of the problem is the heavy coat I'm bringing |
| 17:20.31 | mheath | That fills up like half the pack itself |
| 17:20.38 | tensai | SpecialK: and what was the response? |
| 17:21.38 | mheath | harleypig: Your BDUs are comfortable. Much more so than utilities |
| 17:21.38 | mheath | ALmost makes me want to go talk to a marine recruiter. Almost. |
| 17:21.43 | mheath | =D |
| 17:22.46 | mheath | ooh, laundry detergent! I forgot that, almost =\ |
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| 17:24.14 | SpecialK | Shouldn't they know better than to try to sneak legislation through when people have off time around holidays. |
| 17:24.37 | SpecialK | response? I didn't get a response yet, they just took notes. |
| 17:25.16 | tensai | at least it wasn't "Oh, I'm sorry. We've already taken bribes on that legislation and can't change our mind now without penalties" |
| 17:25.42 | SpecialK | I asked for his position, but the first layer guy I talked to directed me to a voice mail box of another aid. |
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| 17:26.31 | tensai | mheath: that was quick. Walmart must be really close. |
| 17:26.51 | mheath | Haha. |
| 17:34.37 | SpecialK | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051220-5813.html |
| 17:35.03 | SpecialK | never thought they would doanything about the real meaning of Christmas on Ars . . . |
| 17:39.45 | harleypig | stink ... stank ... stunk |
| 17:39.57 | harleypig | sorry ... I'm running on 2 hours sleep. |
| 17:41.14 | harleypig | "you're a 3 decker saurkraut and toadstool sandwich with parsnip sauce" |
| 17:41.41 | emcnabb | walmart.com |
| 17:44.22 | graphyx | harleypig: How come you didn't sleep ? |
| 17:49.42 | harleypig | graphyx: m-i-l is in hospital, we spent 2 hours there, then wife wanted to get christmas shopping done (she buries her feelings in picking things to buy) |
| 17:49.56 | harleypig | At least we got all the christmas shopping done. |
| 17:51.09 | harleypig | She kept asking me what I thought about a particular item of clothing or material ... I kept saying "I want to get some more memory for my computer ... should I get DDR or ..." |
| 17:51.12 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:51.21 | graphyx | The important things.. |
| 17:51.35 | harleypig | heh |
| 17:51.46 | graphyx | We haven't had to deal with any serious grief in my house yet. |
| 17:51.52 | graphyx | The only deaths were expected. |
| 17:52.08 | harleypig | graphyx: well, this has been expected ... it's just early. |
| 17:52.09 | graphyx | old and in poor health and thus expected.. |
| 17:52.45 | graphyx | Not that we wanted to see them go. But at 99 years old my Great Grandma was ready. |
| 17:53.12 | graphyx | She also asked who I was 2 times in a 10 minute conversation with my parents. Even though I spent many days at her house when I was up at Ricks. |
| 17:53.24 | harleypig | graphyx: :] My mom is ready and she's only 70. |
| 17:53.51 | graphyx | Mentally ready and physically ready are two different things. |
| 17:53.54 | graphyx | But hard to define any way. |
| 17:53.57 | harleypig | yeah ... my mom went and got a living will ... she does *not* want to get to that point ... if she can't feed herself she is not to be fed. |
| 17:54.23 | graphyx | MY G grandma was living on her own until she was like 96 |
| 17:54.26 | graphyx | And fell and broke her hip. |
| 17:54.33 | graphyx | well it was assisted living. |
| 17:54.36 | harleypig | graphyx: wow. |
| 17:54.47 | graphyx | Where they do it all by themselves but have a pull string in the bathroom if they fall.... |
| 17:54.53 | graphyx | and stuff like that. |
| 17:55.03 | graphyx | Assisted retiring houses. |
| 17:55.15 | tensai | ~curse old versions of tcpdump and their lack of control over file buffering |
| 17:55.18 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, old versions of tcpdump and their lack of control over file buffering ! |
| 17:55.53 | mheath | Hmm |
| 17:55.59 | mheath | What was the name of that movie? |
| 17:56.14 | tensai | Night of the Lepus |
| 17:56.42 | harleypig | mheath: Top Gun? |
| 17:57.03 | harleypig | mheath: there are a fair amount ... can you narrow down the decade? : |
| 17:57.07 | harleypig | err ... :> |
| 17:57.13 | tensai | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069005/ |
| 17:57.15 | brac | [Night of the Lepus (1972)] |
| 17:57.31 | mheath | I think Top Gun is what I'm looking for. |
| 17:57.31 | graphyx | What was that one movie? IT was something about guys in space.. |
| 17:57.38 | harleypig | bat21 |
| 17:57.43 | graphyx | j/k mheath |
| 17:58.07 | tensai | "Attention! Attention! Ladies and gentlemen, attention! There is a herd of killer rabbits headed this way and we desperately need your help!" |
| 17:58.27 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 17:58.33 | mheath | I dunno, I'm in the mood for a military flick |
| 17:58.35 | mheath | Something Navy. |
| 17:58.39 | mheath | =\ |
| 17:59.00 | mheath | Not something about some officers going through flightschool. |
| 17:59.19 | harleypig | mheath: Starship Troopers? |
| 17:59.32 | harleypig | Green Berets |
| 17:59.59 | tensai | what's the one where the carrier goes back in time to WWII? |
| 18:00.18 | mheath | tensai: I saw that, unfortunately |
| 18:00.22 | harleypig | 1941 |
| 18:00.24 | mheath | "Final Countdown" or somethign like that |
| 18:00.33 | harleypig | mheath: Yeah, that was it. |
| 18:00.39 | harleypig | Apocalypse Now |
| 18:00.47 | mheath | Would have had a better ending if they didn't go forward in time right before anything interesting happened. |
| 18:01.02 | harleypig | mheath: Except they would have had to deal with the paradoxes. |
| 18:01.12 | harleypig | which would have extended a really bad movie even further. |
| 18:01.19 | harleypig | Das Boot |
| 18:01.27 | harleypig | All Quiet on the Western Front |
| 18:01.39 | mheath | harleypig: Heres another (bad, for military movies) qualification.... |
| 18:01.54 | mheath | < R rated. My dad decided, apparently, to put a stupid block on my movie rentals. |
| 18:01.59 | harleypig | Blackhawk Down. |
| 18:02.02 | sjansen | "It's a warm summer night. The neighborhood has gathered for a barbecue. There's no way of knowing that a giant rock is flying through space at 50,000 miles per hour hurtling straight at them." |
| 18:02.12 | tensai | The Great Escape |
| 18:02.21 | harleypig | mheath: hmmm ... |
| 18:02.25 | mheath | Sad. I'll be in a position to die for my country and experience these situations in a few months, yet I can't watch movies about them. |
| 18:02.29 | harleypig | Green Berets isn't rated I don't think. |
| 18:02.36 | sjansen | Bridge Over the River Kwai |
| 18:02.37 | jsmith | mheath: What's the old Navy movie about the sailors that paint the submarine pink? |
| 18:02.51 | mheath | jsmith: "A movie that mheath has no interest in seeing" ? |
| 18:02.53 | harleypig | mheath: that sucks. |
| 18:03.00 | jsmith | mheath: Bingo! |
| 18:03.20 | mheath | BTW, don't do a search on imdb for "Navy" |
| 18:03.24 | mheath | It brings up a ton of crap |
| 18:03.30 | mheath | IE, news reels from the 1940's |
| 18:03.37 | harleypig | http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/War |
| 18:03.43 | mheath | "This Navy", "Greatest Navy in the World", etc. |
| 18:03.50 | harleypig | The Great Escape |
| 18:04.00 | mheath | And a movie clip from 1901 of president roosevelt attending the Army-Navy game |
| 18:04.14 | mheath | harleypig: Seen The Great Escape |
| 18:04.22 | harleypig | Iron Eagle |
| 18:04.24 | tensai | U571 |
| 18:04.35 | harleypig | U571 is a fairly good one ... rather intense. |
| 18:05.08 | sjansen | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050212/ |
| 18:05.09 | brac | [The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)] |
| 18:05.33 | mheath | Seen that, sjansen |
| 18:05.47 | mheath | Whats up with this IMDB list? |
| 18:06.03 | sjansen | Hunt For Red October ;-) |
| 18:06.13 | mheath | What is a silent film from 1925 doing as the 4th best war movie of all time? |
| 18:06.13 | tensai | jsmith: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053143/ |
| 18:06.17 | brac | [Operation Petticoat (1959)] |
| 18:06.35 | jsmith | tensai: That's the one -- what a stupid movie... |
| 18:06.50 | harleypig | mheath: The Big Parade ... watch it ... the camera work is incredible. |
| 18:06.51 | tensai | jsmith: Cary Grant and Tony Curtis! How can you go wrong? |
| 18:07.12 | jsmith | mheath: What about The Hunt for Red October -- it's got plenty of Navy stuff! |
| 18:07.18 | harleypig | mheath: and the plot is first rate. |
| 18:07.19 | jsmith | tensai: My point exactly... |
| 18:07.21 | tensai | Doctor Stranglove |
| 18:07.28 | tensai | er, Doctor Strangelove |
| 18:07.48 | tensai | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/ |
| 18:07.50 | brac | [Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)] |
| 18:08.19 | sjansen | now that's an odd movie |
| 18:08.20 | tensai | starring James Earl Jones in his motion picture debut, even |
| 18:08.41 | sjansen | love the scene of that guy riding the bomb as it falls |
| 18:08.57 | harleypig | To Hell and Back is a pretty good, if cookie cutter, war movie. |
| 18:09.21 | tensai | if I had a netflix subscription I would put Operation Petticoat on my list |
| 18:09.24 | mheath | Thats a whole different question, though |
| 18:09.28 | mheath | What to get for lunch....hmmm |
| 18:09.57 | harleypig | And a really bad movie is From Hell to Eternity |
| 18:10.14 | harleypig | oh, well, so much for that diversion. |
| 18:10.38 | jsmith | tensai: You're a sick sick man... |
| 18:10.58 | harleypig | jsmith: ? Operation Petticoat is a pretty good movie. |
| 18:11.03 | harleypig | McHales Navy |
| 18:13.40 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 18:14.19 | sjansen | Dear Slashdot, I'm too lazy to learn about Rails but assume it is bad. Am I right? |
| 18:15.22 | sjansen | Dear Ask Slashdot Person, I too haven't used Rails. I work as a Java programmer and my boss told me to stay FAR FAR away from Rails. I assume this is because Rails will give me an STD. |
| 18:15.26 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 18:15.27 | tensai | sjansen: slashdot rots your brain. just don't do it. |
| 18:16.40 | sjansen | tensai: Is there any hope for humanity? |
| 18:17.06 | tensai | slashdot.org. 259200 IN A 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:20.27 | harleypig | sjansen: switch to digg |
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| 19:10.35 | Hhhhh | I'm installing apache2 in suse 10, and it wants me to install a multi-processing module, and I have two options: prefork and worker. what are the pros and cons of each? I'm just setting a development server |
| 19:11.44 | harleypig | Hhhhh: worker ... perfork forks off a bunch of processes as soon as it spawns. |
| 19:13.20 | tensai | prefork is the apache 1.x model |
| 19:13.35 | harleypig | is this the right room for an argument? |
| 19:14.09 | Hhhhh | harleypig, so you'd go for worker? |
| 19:14.22 | harleypig | Hhhhh: yeah, for development. |
| 19:14.25 | Hhhhh | k, thx |
| 19:14.46 | tensai | harleypig: I've told you once |
| 19:15.02 | harleypig | no you haven't |
| 19:15.21 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:15.31 | Hhhhh | arguing in your spare time? |
| 19:15.35 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:15.43 | tensai | yes I have |
| 19:15.46 | Hhhhh | no you didn't |
| 19:16.47 | Hhhhh | argh, if I install mod_php4, it wants prefork |
| 19:16.49 | harleypig | Man ... that little singer on 'Every Sperm is Sacred' has such a clear voice... |
| 19:17.00 | harleypig | heh ... that's what you get for installing php |
| 19:17.12 | mrpull- | Hhhhh: thread safety is the reason to keep prefork around |
| 19:17.22 | harleypig | Hhhhh: yeah, practice safe threading ... |
| 19:17.31 | harleypig | keep a thimble around. |
| 19:17.39 | tensai | http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm for the socially deprived (maquis, I'm looking at you) |
| 19:17.40 | brac | [The Argument Sketch] |
| 19:18.08 | mrpull- | so if you have a module that isn't threadsafe, you are stuck (PHP was (is?) not threadsafe) |
| 19:18.44 | tensai | I believe php 5 is supposed to address that concern |
| 19:18.56 | tensai | cue holding breath |
| 19:21.33 | harleypig | http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyrics/62645/Monty_Python/Decomposing_Composers |
| 19:21.41 | harleypig | ten |
| 19:21.58 | harleypig | err ... ? where'd that come from? |
| 19:22.01 | harleypig | I didn't type ten ... |
| 19:23.30 | tensai | eleven was it? |
| 19:24.17 | harleypig | heh |
| 19:24.25 | harleypig | wierd fat finger there. |
| 19:24.51 | tensai | strangley shaped fat finger to hit only those three keys |
| 19:24.54 | harleypig | I didn't want to do this ... I wanted to leap from tree to tree, like a butterfly ... I want to be a ... |
| 19:24.57 | harleypig | LUMBERJACK! |
| 19:25.28 | harleypig | tensai: I sprained my fingers doing that. :> |
| 19:31.39 | tensai | down to only 317000 messages in my queue! |
| 19:35.22 | harleypig | spam spam spam spam spam spam spam |
| 19:36.14 | sjansen | worker is threeaded |
| 19:37.15 | sjansen | php itself is supposedly thread safe, but they're afraid of all the libraries they wrap |
| 19:49.39 | Tene | can anyone suggest a good linux-compatible webcam? |
| 19:58.11 | Hhhhh | question: my production environment is as follows: linux kernel 2.4.21, Apache 1.3, tomcat 5.0.27, MySQL 4.0.24, PHP 4.3.11, python 2.2, Perl 5.8. Now, my development environment is linux kernel 2.6.13, apache 2.0.54, tomcat 5.0.30, MySQL 4.1.13, PHP 4.4.0, python 2.4.1, perl 5.8.7. Do you think I'll run into too many problems when developing and then moving to production due to difference in versions? |
| 19:59.18 | Tene | apache1 - apache2 is the most likely place for problems to arise. |
| 19:59.24 | Tene | as far as I know |
| 19:59.34 | Tene | it depends on what exactly you do |
| 19:59.58 | Hhhhh | it'll be mainly simple php stuff |
| 20:00.08 | Tene | you should be fine |
| 20:00.36 | Hhhhh | i was trying to replicate production environment but i don't wanna go through the trouble of compiling, installing and configuring apache |
| 20:03.50 | sjansen | do you at least have a staging environment that matches production? |
| 20:04.48 | Hhhhh | sjansen, no |
| 20:05.07 | sjansen | that's not smart |
| 20:05.16 | Hhhhh | well, it's all I can do |
| 20:05.41 | Hhhhh | my dad rented hosting space at GoDaddy.com, and they have apache 1.3 in those |
| 20:05.55 | Hhhhh | I just want to test some stuff before deploying |
| 20:06.00 | Hhhhh | but it's not anything big |
| 20:06.08 | Hhhhh | and it'll be mainly PHP and some MySQL |
| 20:06.22 | Hhhhh | just easy stuff, nothing intensive |
| 20:06.35 | sjansen | *shrug* okay, just some advice |
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| 20:09.15 | Hhhhh | thx |
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| 20:25.51 | decriptor | any monowall experts or better than newbie out there |
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| 20:28.19 | tensai | ~worship TimRiker |
| 20:28.22 | ibot | ACTION genuflects before TimRiker. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 20:28.59 | tensai | ~worship her master, TimRiker |
| 20:29.00 | ibot | ACTION bows down before her master, TimRiker. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 20:29.28 | sjansen | ~fart tensai |
| 20:29.30 | ibot | ACTION farts in tensai's general direction |
| 20:30.13 | tensai | ~shave sjansen |
| 20:34.37 | tensai | TimRiker: shouldn't ibot automatically announce your arrival in the channel. "Hear ye, Hear ye! The glorious Creator TimRiker has arrived. All bow in His presence, infidels!" |
| 20:34.54 | tensai | or is that a little too sacreligous? |
| 20:38.16 | TimRiker | tensai: patches welcome. ;-) |
| 20:38.22 | findlay | the first UNIX system that has its boot-time configuration done with PHP |
| 20:38.29 | findlay | http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ |
| 20:38.52 | tensai | ~source |
| 20:38.56 | ibot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 20:38.56 | findlay | oh dear |
| 20:38.59 | tensai | ~ibot |
| 20:39.01 | ibot | well, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 20:39.11 | tensai | ~blootbot |
| 20:39.13 | ibot | [blootbot] an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 20:43.55 | tensai | TimRiker: does ibot have the ability to respond upon users joining, or would that have to be written. I know she can annouce when root arrives. Is there anything generic? |
| 20:45.48 | tensai | call it the "Norm!" feature |
| 20:56.45 | tensai | /sbin/ip route add blackhole 67.137.148.0/24 |
| 20:59.44 | findlay | for Christmas I want a 7.1 JBL system with 32 bit digital speakers |
| 21:00.41 | findlay | anyone who gets it for me will win the most favored cohort status |
| 21:01.36 | harleypig | Anyone familar with taking datapoints in a mysql db and making a graph? |
| 21:01.50 | findlay | harleypig: gnuplot |
| 21:02.15 | harleypig | findlay: googling ... any links whilst I'm doing that? |
| 21:02.31 | findlay | http://www.gnuplot.info/ |
| 21:02.50 | findlay | gnuplot r0x0rz!!@! |
| 21:02.55 | harleypig | findlay: alas ... gnuplot is not on the system I have this data on ... |
| 21:03.06 | findlay | ok, sorry |
| 21:03.30 | harleypig | checking iste for binaries. |
| 21:04.50 | findlay | harleypig: what platform? |
| 21:04.57 | harleypig | findlay: linux |
| 21:05.03 | findlay | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2055 |
| 21:05.06 | brac | [SourceForge.net:] |
| 21:06.12 | harleypig | yeah, I'm there now ... but I don't see any binaries for linux ... welp ... I'll see if I can compile it. |
| 21:06.34 | findlay | harleypig: good luck |
| 21:08.46 | harleypig | findlay: thnx |
| 21:18.34 | harleypig | nope ... that's a bust ... but I just noticed we have GD::Graph installed ... I may be able to do something with that. |
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| 21:30.11 | TimRiker | tensai: nothing generic at present, but there is a hook for botmail that's probably in the right spot. |
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| 21:42.14 | harleypig | I wish to register a complaint! |
| 21:42.32 | harleypig | I wish to complain about this parrot! |
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| 22:01.24 | RyanE | harleypig still didn't 'voom'. |
| 22:02.04 | RyanE | I think he's 'pinin' for the fjords'. |
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| 22:17.29 | goozbach | http://www.unimelb.edu.au/webcentre/tools/developertools/pantone.html |
| 22:17.35 | brac | [Pantone to hex colour chart : Web Services : The University of Melbourne] |
| 22:26.09 | jlp_work | so what ever happened to brigham? is brac brigham reincarnated? |
| 22:54.41 | sjansen | pretty much |
| 22:54.53 | sjansen | ~crush brac |
| 22:54.55 | ibot | ACTION crushes brac with a full height scsi disk |
| 22:55.09 | harleypig | erik the awful ... the brutal and tenacious |
| 22:55.22 | jsmith | You can run but you cannot hide! |
| 22:55.47 | harleypig | hello margaret ... hehe ... it's me again |
| 22:56.43 | graphyx | jsmith: Are you getting my PMs? |
| 22:57.00 | harleypig | ravage, plunder , pillage and maim ... put big huge hickeys on all the beautifuls dames |
| 22:58.58 | jsmith | graphyx: Nope... |
| 22:59.04 | jsmith | graphyx: Are you registered w/ nickserv? |
| 23:00.24 | graphyx | ye |
| 23:00.24 | graphyx | yes |
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| 23:03.29 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 23:04.30 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
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| 23:47.55 | harleypig | anyone have any experience with GD::Graph? |
| 23:51.58 | jlp_work | harleypig: I've used it to do a simple bar graph once |
| 23:52.39 | RyanE | harleypig: I've used GD under PHP. Probably pretty similar. |
| 23:54.14 | harleypig | well, I'll ask and see what I get. |
| 23:54.33 | harleypig | I have a mysql db with a number of points of data from several different program runs. |
| 23:55.03 | harleypig | I want to overlay the data from the different program runs to see if what's happening is happening at the same point in the run. |
| 23:55.18 | Tene | harleypig: octave! |
| 23:55.24 | harleypig | also, there are 5 million lines of data |
| 23:55.43 | harleypig | so I need to be able to both zoom in and out and move back and forth |
| 23:56.01 | Tene | Octave! |
| 23:56.05 | harleypig | but I think that part is relatively easy enough ... just have to write the routines to do it. |
| 23:56.08 | harleypig | Tene: googling. |
| 23:56.14 | jlp_work | harleypig: is your data time based? |
| 23:56.22 | harleypig | but I don't have much access on this machine. |
| 23:56.42 | harleypig | jlp_work: yes and no ... I can pull time information out, but it's really based on pid and count. |
| 23:57.02 | harleypig | i.e., this data point came at 'count' position in this pid. |
| 23:57.21 | jsmith | harleypig: Could you use something like jpgraph to pull out the data and graph it? |
| 23:57.23 | jlp_work | and you need to compare that with 'count' position for all the other pids? |
| 23:57.42 | harleypig | yeah, both point by point and birds eye views. |
| 23:58.38 | Tene | harleypig: octave is a matrix arithmatic package. Very good at manipulating datasets like that. |
| 23:58.44 | Tene | and it likes talking to gnuplot |
| 23:58.52 | jlp_work | hmmm, I was going to suggest (if your data was time based) stuffing it into an rrdtool db and using something like drraw to explore it |
| 23:58.55 | Tene | so you can graph it however you like. |
| 23:59.04 | harleypig | Tene: I've already tried installing gnuplot ... it won't compile on the machine I need to use. |
| 23:59.11 | Tene | hmm |
| 23:59.20 | jlp_work | octave would probably be a good choice, since you probably can't afford matlab |
| 23:59.45 | jlp_work | do you have to do this in real time? or can you pull the data to another machine to munge it? |
| 23:59.49 | harleypig | jlp_work: well, I s'pose I could fudge it since 'count' could just be added to an arbitrary timestamp. |