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| 02:37.52 | tensai | ~dance |
| 02:37.54 | ibot | ACTION does a disco dance. |
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| 02:39.36 | tensai_ | ~party |
| 02:39.37 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
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| 02:42.08 | tensai | ~sing |
| 02:42.10 | ibot | ACTION sings off key Whaohwooaaoooaaah! Good bye 70s! |
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| 02:43.11 | tensai | much better. I wonder why ctrlproxy freaking out... |
| 02:43.36 | tensai | everything was showing up with "+" prepended |
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| 02:46.26 | tensai | ~annoy hans |
| 02:46.48 | hans | my battery light did that for me |
| 02:47.00 | hans | halfway up here it decided to play cat and mouse |
| 02:47.58 | hans | forcing us to emergency crash at an old family friend we hadn't seen in years, buy an alternator that we haven't installed and probably won't need to, and stop at every freakin' sign of civilization to make sure the battery really was charging |
| 02:48.38 | hans | finally about moab we finally conclusively determined that yes it was charging even when the light was on |
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| 05:02.31 | pmcnabb | slow night? |
| 05:02.59 | mrpull-dapper | seems to be |
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| 05:59.26 | findlay | I was getting pretty desperate there, thought OCT had blocked irc |
| 06:11.15 | maquis | findlay: ick.. .that'd suck |
| 06:14.46 | findlay | yeah, I wouldn't be able to waste so much time reading stuff that doesn't mean that much to me (: |
| 06:15.18 | maquis | findlay: or you could ssh into someone else's server, and connect from there... :) |
| 06:16.39 | findlay | but what if they block ssh? |
| 06:16.46 | findlay | now that would be an unforgiveable sin |
| 06:17.25 | findlay | saving detectable dark chocolate? |
| 06:17.31 | findlay | is that like the dark side? |
| 06:18.20 | levi | savORing, not saving. |
| 06:18.58 | findlay | sav || ing |
| 06:19.09 | findlay | I know, I know |
| 06:19.33 | findlay | just a little too much sarcasm from being away so long |
| 06:19.37 | findlay | ~lart me |
| 06:23.59 | maquis | findlay: haha |
| 06:25.50 | levi | findlay: I don't think you're a moron. Just... silly. |
| 06:31.04 | levi | Yuck. I always hated emerging things like that. |
| 06:32.07 | findlay | it takes about an hour for the both of them on this system |
| 06:32.44 | mheath | It takes about half a day on my nicest system =( |
| 06:34.13 | tensai | levi: did you see this about closures in javascript? http://blog.livollmers.net/?p=17 |
| 06:35.00 | levi | findlay: Takes about a minute or two to install pre-compiled packages, though, which is what I prefer. |
| 06:35.10 | levi | tensai: Hadn't seen that yet, thanks for pointing it out. |
| 06:35.16 | findlay | echo 1048576 MHz > mheath@older_b0x:/proc/CPU/main_clock/freq |
| 06:36.01 | mheath | Hmm, first time I've ever had to show an ID to prove my age.. |
| 06:37.34 | levi | I think source-based distros are a waste of time, but to each his own. |
| 06:38.17 | mheath | Indeed |
| 06:39.16 | findlay | levi: I can compile the entire system in about a day or two including all of the GUI level applications that I want |
| 06:39.32 | mheath | I *like* methods like portage for compiling complexly interdependent things, though |
| 06:39.38 | mheath | Though I prefer Gar Ports by far |
| 06:39.46 | mheath | Portage is too big, and too much of a burdoen. |
| 06:39.57 | mheath | *burdon |
| 06:40.21 | levi | findlay: And you think that particular statistic would change my mind? |
| 06:40.51 | levi | Taking a day or two to install a system is a ridiculous waste of time. |
| 06:40.52 | findlay | levi: if you mean waste of time as in waiting for things to compile, I've never seen that except for first building a system |
| 06:40.52 | mheath | findlay: I can install almost the exactly same thing in about 20 minutes. |
| 06:41.06 | findlay | levi: no |
| 06:41.25 | levi | Taking a couple of hours to install a new version of your compiler is a ridiculous waste of time. |
| 06:41.43 | findlay | only if you're waiting to use it right away |
| 06:42.02 | levi | When I install something, it's generally because I want to use it. |
| 06:42.31 | mheath | findlay: How is Portage better than this: Either your patient, and you wait a bit until your distro maintainer released binary packages, or your not, and you compile it from source using an included Gar Ports make script? |
| 06:43.01 | findlay | so you're willing to write off source based distros as pointless? |
| 06:43.33 | levi | findlay: Generally pointless, though I am willing to entertain the idea that they might have niche uses. |
| 06:43.41 | mheath | I'm saying that automatic source compilation should be a feature of the distributed source, not an underlying feature and requirement of a distro. |
| 06:44.08 | findlay | levi: exactly, and one of those uses would be users like me who have a weakness for them (: |
| 06:44.28 | findlay | mheath: yes, but how many distros like that are out there |
| 06:44.50 | findlay | besides that really doesn't address the compile wait time that levi and you seem to be arguing |
| 06:44.57 | levi | findlay: That doesn't give them much of a point, though. |
| 06:45.09 | mheath | findlay: Umm, lets see....FreeBSD, several distros that use Gar Ports, too... |
| 06:45.28 | mheath | Automatic source compilation, that isn't a required, important part of the operating system. |
| 06:45.42 | findlay | yes, I like freebsd, but it's not as bleeding edge as gentoo |
| 06:46.03 | levi | I mean, I do some pretty pointless things, but I don't try to pretend there's a point to them anymore. |
| 06:46.27 | findlay | but why bother to compile some parts of the system if they are available in binary form? Seems like a waste of time to me |
| 06:46.36 | mheath | Hmm, you have to be 16 to purchase a knife at Walmart. |
| 06:47.17 | mheath | findlay: exactly! |
| 06:47.19 | mheath | Thats my view |
| 06:47.45 | mheath | Use a binary form if available, and, if you want bleeding edge, use some lite non-required source compilation scripts, like Gar Ports. |
| 06:47.56 | findlay | levi: the main reason I'm interesting in compiling the compiler at least is because I'm deluded by the fact that compiling with architecture tuning flags will enhance CPU intensive programs |
| 06:48.07 | findlay | like the compiler |
| 06:48.15 | mheath | Hahaha |
| 06:48.22 | mheath | findlay: I've used Slackware for a while |
| 06:48.44 | mheath | When I first started using it, most things in it were compiled for 386. |
| 06:48.57 | mheath | I tried Slackware (compiled for 386) the first time I tried gentoo |
| 06:49.07 | mheath | I noticed no speed increase |
| 06:52.46 | findlay | one of the main reasons I like gentoo is that the distro can't easily get in the way of how I construct my system |
| 06:53.14 | findlay | although it's become less that way |
| 06:53.15 | mheath | findlay: hahahaha |
| 06:53.42 | mheath | You must have a very different idea of what customization of your system construction means |
| 06:54.12 | mheath | Gentoo is horrible for that. I've done some weird things when constructing a system from scratch that you couldn't even come close to doing in gentoo. |
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| 07:03.50 | tensai | maquis: I've spent the last few hours working on class based queuing, which may help you when I download stuff |
| 07:04.06 | goozbach | maquis: you get home then? |
| 07:05.31 | maquis | tensai: thanks |
| 07:05.33 | maquis | goozbach: yup |
| 07:05.59 | findlay | maquis: do I get a 1 word answer? |
| 07:06.20 | tensai | maquis: it's not completely done yet. so far it only helps when I'm uploading. |
| 07:06.23 | maquis | findlay: nope |
| 07:06.29 | findlay | sweet |
| 07:06.34 | maquis | tensai: cool enough :) |
| 07:07.53 | goozbach | hey that was two words and emoticon |
| 07:07.56 | goozbach | ! |
| 07:08.07 | findlay | goozbach: yup |
| 07:10.07 | maquis | goozbach: :) |
| 07:14.09 | findlay | the reason gentoo is the superior distro is because email is way better than web forums |
| 07:14.43 | findlay | and because banannas are cheap in the winter months |
| 07:19.12 | mheath | In acknowledging the message was true, President Bush took aim at the messenger Saturday, saying that The New York Times jeopardized national security by revealing that he authorized wiretaps on U.S. citizens after September 11. The president said he allowed the NSA "to intercept the international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda." Publishing details of the program "damages our national security and puts our citizens at risk," Bush said. |
| 07:19.22 | mheath | Umm |
| 07:19.25 | findlay | will it have a GNU Nukem Forever game? |
| 07:19.43 | mheath | Welcome to 1984 |
| 07:20.00 | mheath | Saying bad thinghs about the government is bad, because it jeopardizes our overall, publicly shared, mission! |
| 07:20.02 | tensai | maquis: awesome! I've got it working for downloads now. just gotta tune it to get as much bandwidth as possible. |
| 07:21.00 | tensai | mheath: welcome to 1798 (see the alien and sedition acts) |
| 07:21.51 | tensai | findlay: Duke GNUkem Forever |
| 07:22.18 | mheath | I should get to sleep. I work a double shift tomorrow... |
| 07:22.21 | mheath | Wasn't planning on doing that. |
| 07:23.00 | findlay | Gnu Gnukem Gnorever |
| 07:23.09 | findlay | Gnuke Gnukem Gnorever |
| 07:23.24 | mheath | 8 Days until I leave... |
| 07:23.56 | mheath | 6 months until I leave for good. |
| 07:28.50 | tensai | so I lose 20KB/s by prioritizing interactive traffic |
| 08:02.01 | maquis | [amon-re /cdrom] cp music.tgz /home/erins |
| 08:02.01 | maquis | cp: music.tgz: Value too large to be stored in data type |
| 08:02.08 | maquis | anyone ever seen that before? |
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| 08:04.45 | findlay | maquis: that's wierd |
| 08:04.50 | maquis | findlay: yup |
| 08:04.56 | findlay | full partition? |
| 08:05.00 | findlay | or something |
| 08:05.02 | findlay | ? |
| 08:05.12 | maquis | doubt it |
| 08:05.30 | maquis | /home/erins is on a partition that's only 3% full |
| 08:05.33 | maquis | according to df |
| 08:06.01 | maquis | i'm copying *from* a dvd, but thta shouldn't make a difference |
| 08:09.26 | findlay | aha, that's it. Should have used bzip2 |
| 08:09.41 | findlay | (: |
| 08:09.46 | findlay | maquis: what filesystem? |
| 08:09.58 | maquis | findlay: erm... whatever freebsd uses |
| 08:10.31 | findlay | ufs |
| 08:10.38 | findlay | ufs-2, actually |
| 08:16.36 | findlay | freebsd 6? |
| 08:17.16 | maquis | yup |
| 08:17.52 | maquis | given that i can have a 1.3 GB file without problems, but it chokes on a 2.something GB file, I'm guessing that there's a 2 GB limit on filesizes or something? |
| 08:18.23 | maquis | anyway, my mom is getting after me about it being too late to be up... (i have no idea what she's talking about....), so i'm going to have to head to bed |
| 08:18.27 | maquis | thanks, though! |
| 08:18.38 | findlay | good night maquis |
| 08:19.19 | maquis | gnight |
| 08:56.12 | findlay | ~wiki dies irae |
| 09:04.42 | findlay | ~convert 21 mm to inches |
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| 15:44.27 | vontrapp | anyone around? |
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| 18:34.13 | harleypig | http://code.google.com/apis/talk/index.html |
| 18:34.14 | brac | [Google Talk LibJingle Code and API] |
| 18:37.24 | harleypig | http://www.computerworld.com/departments/opinions/sharktank/0,4885,107021,00.html |
| 18:37.27 | brac | [Shark Tank: But boy, does that technology ever work!] |
| 18:45.18 | harleypig | http://www.papersplease.org/davis/ |
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| 20:34.50 | hans | -lart tensai |
| 20:35.04 | hans | there you go, some genealogy work for a sunday afternoon |
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| 21:24.48 | tensai | -lart hans |
| 21:47.11 | emcnabb | spr, so what's for dinner tonight? |
| 21:47.14 | emcnabb | moose chops? |
| 21:47.47 | harleypig | harleypork chops |
| 21:48.09 | emcnabb | yum |
| 21:49.50 | Newsome | emcnabb: are you in town this week? |
| 21:50.45 | emcnabb | yeah, finally |
| 21:51.08 | emcnabb | I'm teaching, but at least I'm not on the road |
| 21:55.04 | Newsome | do you have to teach Tuesday morning too? |
| 21:58.06 | spr | emcnabb, chicken I think |
| 22:01.17 | amcnabb | frozen chicken? |
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| 22:09.13 | tensai | -lart hans |
| 22:19.36 | spr | amcnabb, it's actually warmer here than provo |
| 22:21.03 | amcnabb | wow |
| 22:21.56 | spr | I know |
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| 22:36.53 | goozbach | emcnabb: I'm the only one on the road this week then? |
| 22:37.17 | goozbach | -curse delays |
| 22:38.03 | emcnabb | Lamont is too |
| 22:38.44 | goozbach | where is he? |
| 22:39.26 | emcnabb | California somewhere |
| 22:39.43 | emcnabb | off to dinner |
| 22:39.44 | emcnabb | later |
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