| 00:00.28 | JoshH | most, anyway. :P |
| 00:00.46 | maquis | JoshH: it's not going to be one of those sappy "this is what i did today" blogs.. |
| 00:01.00 | maquis | probably mostly computer stuff, and possibly some recipes and stuff like that |
| 00:01.09 | JoshH | those kind i like |
| 00:01.14 | maquis | :) |
| 00:01.35 | maquis | i have friends with the "this is what i did today" blogs, and they wonder why i never go to their blog |
| 00:01.45 | maquis | if i want to knw what they did today, i'll find out when i talk to them |
| 00:16.36 | jlp_work | maquis: vi works for me |
| 00:17.59 | maquis | jlp_work: i'd like to keep some sort of archive |
| 00:18.10 | jlp_work | vi and RCS :-) |
| 00:18.22 | maquis | jlp_work: that visitors can get to |
| 00:18.41 | jlp_work | oh, sure, make it more complicated |
| 00:19.09 | maquis | i could probably get something really basic with a bit of php... but i figure that if i use something someone else has, i have time to do something else |
| 00:20.42 | sjansen | There is not perfect blog program. Don't spend too much time looking for one. Just use WordPress. |
| 00:20.53 | jlp_work | how about just using something like blogger? (http://www.blogger.com/) |
| 00:21.49 | jsmith | sjansen: It's about time you and I agreed on something :-) |
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| 00:22.46 | sjansen | Ack! I meant just use MoveableType... or Typo... or anything jsmith wouldn't recommend. |
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| 00:45.55 | maquis | hehe |
| 01:00.23 | goozbach | maquis: the world dosn't need ANOTHer blogging software |
| 01:00.29 | goozbach | use moveable type |
| 01:00.32 | goozbach | it's cool |
| 01:00.44 | maquis | goozbach: that's why i was looking to see what people use |
| 01:01.19 | maquis | goozbach: does moveable type embed nicely in existing sites? |
| 01:02.48 | goozbach | maquis: as far as I know |
| 01:03.00 | maquis | cool |
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| 01:15.15 | sjansen | I think spr used texpattern for awhile. |
| 01:15.36 | sjansen | The problem with moveable type is that it isn't Free software. I was kidding when I said to use it. Use WordPress. |
| 01:17.43 | goozbach | openacs |
| 01:19.17 | maquis | spr: did you use textpattern? did you like it? |
| 01:19.18 | Newsome | vim |
| 01:19.34 | maquis | Newsome: that was already mentioned :) |
| 01:19.39 | Newsome | doh :) |
| 01:20.07 | Newsome | how about "Nobody'll read it anyway, so why do it in the first place?" |
| 01:22.49 | maquis | Newsome: i'm interested in using it for something besides just "this is what i did today" |
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| 03:04.50 | emcnabb | goozbach, so how many Cheesecake Factories HAVEN'T you been to? |
| 03:05.52 | goozbach | hmm... |
| 03:05.58 | goozbach | that's a good question |
| 03:06.02 | goozbach | I should start keeping track |
| 03:06.16 | goozbach | I'm approx 60% done however |
| 03:06.39 | goozbach | total 103 |
| 03:06.45 | emcnabb | so how many did you go to last trip? |
| 03:06.50 | emcnabb | (how many times) |
| 03:07.02 | emcnabb | I was just reading Bryan's e-mail |
| 03:20.07 | goozbach | 3 different ones |
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| 04:00.38 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:00.45 | emcnabb | good evening |
| 04:00.51 | levi | I am /done/ with my classes. Woo! |
| 04:01.20 | emcnabb | good feeling |
| 04:01.30 | levi | Indeed. |
| 04:03.03 | Hhhhh | nice, i still have to monkey around until friday :/ |
| 04:03.41 | emcnabb | Hhhhh, do you go to BYU? |
| 04:03.52 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 04:04.01 | emcnabb | were you one of the CS240 TAs? |
| 04:04.02 | Hhhhh | i've been in classes with amcnabb |
| 04:04.04 | Hhhhh | no |
| 04:04.06 | Hhhhh | 142 |
| 04:04.24 | emcnabb | (just trying to match faces with IRC nicks) |
| 04:04.34 | Hhhhh | i'm chris, I was in andrew's 252 class i think |
| 04:05.54 | emcnabb | that doesn't help :-) |
| 04:07.26 | Hhhhh | emcnabb, I usually hang out at the graphics lab |
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| 04:09.22 | Hhhhh | emcnabb, amcnabb knows me |
| 04:09.34 | Hhhhh | we tooko 252 together |
| 04:10.20 | mheath | Are amcnabb and emcnabb related? :) |
| 04:10.32 | Hhhhh | brothers |
| 04:10.37 | mheath | Ah, I kind of figured. |
| 04:10.49 | Hhhhh | never heard of the BYU UUG McNabb Dynasty> |
| 04:10.50 | Hhhhh | ? |
| 04:10.57 | mheath | I'm in Ogden |
| 04:11.01 | mheath | I've barely heard of BYU :D |
| 04:11.02 | Hhhhh | gotcha |
| 04:11.05 | Hhhhh | hehe |
| 04:11.09 | emcnabb | there's also pmcnabb |
| 04:11.14 | emcnabb | he was out here for a summer |
| 04:11.17 | Hhhhh | oh, olda brotha? |
| 04:11.20 | mheath | Not for their lack of trying, though. |
| 04:11.21 | emcnabb | younger |
| 04:11.22 | Hhhhh | younger |
| 04:11.24 | Hhhhh | gotcha |
| 04:11.41 | Hhhhh | mheath, hehe |
| 04:11.46 | mheath | USU succedded today in sending me about 10 duplicates of the same post card. |
| 04:11.53 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:12.00 | Hhhhh | i almost went to USU |
| 04:12.16 | mheath | The morale of the story is, I guess, don't go to USU for printing or business :) |
| 04:12.24 | mheath | ;-) |
| 04:12.51 | mheath | Its just annoying, because college is really the last thing on my mind at the moment. |
| 04:12.55 | maquis | the story has morale? |
| 04:12.59 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:13.05 | amcnabb | McNabbs are kind of like Fugals. |
| 04:13.12 | amcnabb | There's always another one. :) |
| 04:13.18 | mheath | Haha. |
| 04:13.29 | maquis | :) |
| 04:13.54 | amcnabb | I think Evan's working on that. |
| 04:14.00 | Hhhhh | haha |
| 04:14.03 | maquis | hahaha |
| 04:14.08 | Hhhhh | zed McNabb? |
| 04:14.17 | emcnabb | zebediah |
| 04:14.24 | Hhhhh | Zack McNabb? |
| 04:14.31 | emcnabb | zulu |
| 04:14.35 | Hhhhh | zorg |
| 04:14.36 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 04:14.48 | emcnabb | Zzzzz |
| 04:14.59 | amcnabb | There are so many choices. |
| 04:15.03 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 04:15.13 | mheath | Don't forget Zebra. |
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| 04:15.30 | emcnabb | and amcnabb, when are you going to make mom and dad grandparents? |
| 04:15.38 | maquis | emcnabb: for the kid's sake, i'll vote for zack |
| 04:15.47 | Hhhhh | i wanted to try Kkkkk (in honor to KDE), but I guess it has more than one connotation, and some aren't very happy |
| 04:15.49 | maquis | emcnabb: i think you're going to have to do that |
| 04:16.00 | amcnabb | I'm waiting for my wonderful brother's example. |
| 04:16.17 | Hhhhh | amcnabb, you married? |
| 04:16.27 | emcnabb | "hell no" |
| 04:16.29 | amcnabb | :) |
| 04:16.32 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 04:16.40 | mheath | :->) |
| 04:17.09 | Hhhhh | what's that, a moustache or a double neck? |
| 04:17.26 | Hhhhh | i mean, double chin, like some football players |
| 04:18.19 | emcnabb | :{} |
| 04:18.50 | maquis | :(){ :; | :} |
| 04:18.55 | maquis | i think i got that right |
| 04:19.07 | emcnabb | :(){ :|:& };: |
| 04:19.15 | maquis | bah... close |
| 04:19.34 | emcnabb | I think you can leave out the & |
| 04:19.51 | emcnabb | but I'm not going to try right now |
| 04:20.15 | maquis | emcnabb: why not? :) |
| 04:24.51 | maquis | http://techdirt.com/articles/20051211/2148239_F.shtml |
| 04:24.53 | brac | [Techdirt:Are You Ready To Rock With Bill G?] |
| 04:26.07 | maquis | they need to have a version with steve ballmer dancing along... |
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| 04:34.09 | maquis | ~eat spr |
| 04:34.10 | ibot | ACTION eats spr and falls over dead |
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| 05:06.44 | mheath | Wow |
| 05:06.49 | mheath | This is ammazingly complex stuff |
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| 05:35.42 | RyanE | anyone an LVM expert? What happens if I move an LVM physical disk to another IDE channel? |
| 05:37.49 | tensai | RyanE: absolutely nothing. PVs are labeled with a UUID. No matter where they go, they're still the same disk. |
| 05:38.07 | RyanE | tensai: woo hoo! That's what I needed to know. |
| 05:38.10 | RyanE | tanks |
| 05:38.13 | RyanE | thanks. |
| 06:07.00 | tensai | awesome! I want to cut my hand now. http://www.slashfood.com/images/2005/12/bacon.jpg |
| 06:07.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, you'd wind up eating yourself ;) |
| 06:10.06 | maquis | tensai: hmmm |
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| 16:03.49 | xbmodder_ | wow. |
| 16:03.59 | xbmodder_ | 5 open computers (bluetooth) |
| 16:04.06 | xbmodder_ | including my computer |
| 16:04.18 | xbmodder_ | excluding my computer I mean |
| 16:04.31 | xbmodder_ | and 1 of my teacher's ownership |
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| 16:37.04 | bonez39 | I am curious what some of you use to listen to real music streaming audio.....? |
| 16:37.15 | bonez39 | I assume xmms doesn't handle rm streams, right? |
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| 16:45.06 | levi | I use RealPlayer when I do. |
| 16:45.10 | levi | Which is rarely. |
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| 16:50.38 | bonez39 | levi, real player for linux? |
| 16:50.47 | bonez39 | maybe I have that installed already... |
| 16:50.49 | levi | Yes. |
| 16:51.05 | levi | Or OS X, or Windows, whichever I happen to be using at the time. |
| 17:04.37 | mrpull- | mornin'! |
| 17:06.56 | goozbach | this is gonna be a great week |
| 17:07.05 | goozbach | </sarcasim> |
| 17:07.10 | Jayce^ | oh? |
| 17:08.36 | mrpull- | anybody seen "RT Essentials" in any book stores around the valley? |
| 17:08.50 | goozbach | we're playing musical classrooms |
| 17:09.06 | mrpull- | the computer section at the B&N is shrinking |
| 17:09.11 | goozbach | not only did the training center forget that I was having a class here this week |
| 17:09.30 | goozbach | but they put me in one classroom yesterday |
| 17:09.40 | goozbach | and moved me to another today |
| 17:09.42 | Jayce^ | mrpull-, borders tends to have more than BN, especially oreilly books |
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| 17:12.06 | jsmith | mrpull-: No, but a co-worker has it sitting on his desk :-) |
| 17:12.28 | mrpull- | jsmith: do you use RT in your organization? |
| 17:12.40 | jsmith | mrpull-: Yeah |
| 17:12.43 | tensai | ooh. Alton Brown is planning a podcast. |
| 17:12.58 | Jayce^ | jsmith, got about 3 copies here too |
| 17:13.01 | Jayce^ | tensai, link? |
| 17:13.09 | tensai | Jayce^: altonbrown.com |
| 17:13.09 | mrpull- | jsmith: happily or grudgingly? |
| 17:13.19 | tensai | "Pretty soon there will be a darned clever podcast, video, all sorts of goodies for the eyes and brain alike." |
| 17:13.34 | jsmith | mrpull-: It's OK -- unfortunately, it's like Bugzilla in that you have to customize it a lot to make it work right. |
| 17:13.43 | mrpull- | Jayce^: any PLUG copies? |
| 17:13.51 | jsmith | mrpull-: And I don't like the way it handles custom fields, but oh well... |
| 17:13.56 | jsmith | mrpull-: All in all, it's OK. |
| 17:13.57 | Jayce^ | mrpull-, sadly, no |
| 17:14.07 | mrpull- | Jayce^: rats |
| 17:14.31 | mrpull- | jsmith: i need a simple ticket tracker. it should fit my needs. |
| 17:14.44 | Jayce^ | tensai, ah, the new site rolled, good |
| 17:14.46 | jsmith | mrpull-: Yeah, you'll be ok. |
| 17:14.51 | mrpull- | but I want to do some homework before adopting bad processes |
| 17:15.00 | tensai | Jayce^: but the blog died :( |
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| 17:15.16 | mrpull- | the Debian packages made it a heckuva lot easier to install than it was 2 or 3 years ago |
| 17:16.01 | Jayce^ | tensai, yeah, but look how often he updated that thing... |
| 17:16.13 | tensai | Jayce^: more often than never |
| 17:16.26 | mrpull- | oh good crossroad's borders has it |
| 17:16.26 | Jayce^ | tensai, you ever see 8 legged entertainment? |
| 17:16.35 | tensai | but less often than me, which is pretty poor |
| 17:16.45 | tensai | Jayce^: never heard of it |
| 17:17.09 | Jayce^ | 8legged.com the guy is now one of the main writes for good eats |
| 17:17.26 | Jayce^ | it is in fact, why in one episode there was a toy octopus usedc |
| 17:17.37 | Jayce^ | all flash, but fun little episodes on that site |
| 17:18.27 | Jayce^ | watch the 'deep fried live' episodes |
| 17:22.05 | tensai | Jayce^: well thanks a fat lot. you froze up firefox |
| 17:22.33 | findlay | often happens in winter, I suppose |
| 17:22.36 | Jayce^ | heh.. |
| 17:22.44 | Jayce^ | tensai, it's a great site |
| 17:23.31 | Jayce^ | works on my firefox |
| 17:24.25 | Uncle_Jesse | http://lists.osdl.org/pipermail/desktop_architects/2005-December/000390.html |
| 17:24.33 | Uncle_Jesse | that's what I'm talking about |
| 17:25.23 | Jayce^ | wow, the verbage makes it sound as if it were sjansen talking |
| 17:25.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I've always had issues w/ gnome |
| 17:26.07 | tensai | Jayce^: I'll try later. it worked but I wasn't getting sound. when I closed the window all my firefoxes died. |
| 17:27.35 | Uncle_Jesse | the threads on that are pretty funny too |
| 17:29.11 | mrpull- | jsmith / Jayce^ : do you guys use the stats add on for RT? |
| 17:29.32 | Jayce^ | I have it, yes |
| 17:29.41 | Jayce^ | not really used much, but it's there |
| 17:31.06 | jsmith | mrpull-: Never even thought about it... |
| 17:31.19 | jsmith | mrpull-: I didn't do the install here, so I have no idea |
| 17:31.43 | Jayce^ | jsmith, it's an easy plugin, gives some stats pages that you cant get reports from |
| 17:32.15 | jsmith | Jayce^: Cool -- now you got me curious. |
| 17:32.26 | Jayce^ | some info in the rt wiki |
| 17:32.29 | jsmith | Jayce^: Like "my team closed this many tickets / got this many new tickets this week" |
| 17:32.37 | jsmith | Jayce^: Will look -- thanks... |
| 17:32.37 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 17:32.48 | mrpull- | Jayce^: most important to me. how much time is spent per queue and/or requester in x number of days? |
| 17:32.49 | Jayce^ | average time to live, time to accept.. |
| 17:32.56 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:33.24 | Jayce^ | Tickets per day per Queue |
| 17:33.24 | Jayce^ | View the number of tickets created, resolved or deleted in a |
| 17:33.24 | Jayce^ | specific Queue, over the requested period of days |
| 17:33.24 | Jayce^ | Tickets status by Queue |
| 17:33.24 | Jayce^ | View numbers of new, open and stalled tickets in a selected Queue |
| 17:33.25 | Jayce^ | Tickets per Day in Multiple Queues |
| 17:33.27 | Jayce^ | View tickets created, resolved or deleted on in one or more Queues |
| 17:33.29 | Jayce^ | over a specified time period |
| 17:33.33 | Jayce^ | Tickets per Day of Week (absolute) |
| 17:33.35 | Jayce^ | View trends showing when tickets are created, resolved or deleted |
| 17:33.37 | Jayce^ | Time to Resolve |
| 17:33.39 | Jayce^ | View how long tickets take to be resolved by Queue |
| 17:33.41 | Jayce^ | Time to Resolve (scatter graph) |
| 17:33.43 | Jayce^ | View a detailed scatter graph of time to resolve tickets by Queue |
| 17:33.52 | mrpull- | dang. i'd better grab that :) |
| 17:34.50 | Jayce^ | just a couple overlay files really |
| 17:35.08 | Jayce^ | ~hug RT's overlay/local override system |
| 17:35.11 | ibot | ACTION hugs RT's overlay/local override system |
| 17:35.16 | mrpull- | Jayce^: i'm still working on the overlay concept |
| 17:35.57 | mrpull- | it makes sense, but debian's packages scatter the files around |
| 17:36.07 | Jayce^ | mrpull-, pretty simple, just create a file with packgename_overlay.pm, add a sub of the same name, and you override the function, without having to merge differences everytime you upgrade |
| 17:40.30 | tensai | levi: made hot pepper risotto with basmati rice. I can't believe how different the rice was. good, though. |
| 17:41.01 | levi | Yeah, basmati is good stuff. :) |
| 17:41.34 | tensai | I used chicken boullion from cubes and it wasn't as good |
| 17:42.24 | tensai | I've been using canned vegetable stock. one of these times I should make a huge pot of my own. |
| 17:48.56 | graphyx | So anyone working on porting nagios to use a true database instead of flat files? |
| 17:49.18 | levi | Yeah, boullion cubes are mostly a bunch of salt and MSG. Real stock is so much better, even if it's canned. |
| 17:49.56 | levi | Heh, wacky programming environment guy had a diatribe against garbage collection today. |
| 17:50.44 | jsmith | graphyx: I am :-) |
| 17:51.03 | jsmith | graphyx: Slowly, but I am working on it |
| 17:52.35 | RyanE | levi: did he respond to your long comment from yesterday? |
| 17:52.42 | levi | Sort of. |
| 17:52.49 | RyanE | dismissive? |
| 17:52.58 | levi | Pretty much. |
| 17:53.39 | levi | He pointed out some weaknesses in my argument, but didn't really concede much. |
| 17:54.29 | levi | It is difficult to construct flawless arguments in the time I've had available for writing those replies. |
| 17:56.32 | levi | He's definitely got the C++ power user attitude. He wants a more advanced C++ that's even less clearly defined and lets you have even greater control over how the low-level generated code looks. |
| 17:57.01 | levi | Which, quite simply, is a recipe for disaster. |
| 17:57.47 | levi | C++ is already too complicated for the average programmer. |
| 17:57.56 | RyanE | with how complicated architectures are, and the fact that most apps will be ported / cross-compiled, I think it's wise to let the compiler handle low-level code. |
| 17:58.59 | RyanE | besides, I'm pretty sure that compiler-writers optimizations beat the tar out of my optimizations. :) |
| 18:00.23 | Jayce^ | RyanE, you're obviously not smart enough then.. .begone.. :-p |
| 18:00.56 | levi | My design patterns class instructor was a C++ power user, too, but he is rapidly losing faith in the design tradeoffs of C++. |
| 18:01.15 | findlay | hey, Linus Torvalds endorses C++ over C because he reccommends KDE over GNOME |
| 18:01.30 | findlay | levi: why is that? |
| 18:01.36 | RyanE | I'm losing faith in C/C++ in my ability go get anything done in a reasonable amount of time. |
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| 18:02.22 | levi | findlay: Because using C++ well requires knowing a LOT of obscure details about how it's implemented. |
| 18:03.01 | findlay | that's why nobody's heard of linux-2.7, because it will be written in C++, hahaha |
| 18:03.04 | Uncle_Jesse | where do you download RT? |
| 18:03.22 | levi | Implementation knowledge is important to program /efficient/ programs in most any language, but in C++ you have to know a lot of details just to get /correct/ programs. |
| 18:03.22 | RyanE | Jayce^: I was going to say that I must not have the Mad Skillz that the 'wacky programming environment guy' has. |
| 18:03.36 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: you can't even google "rt"? it's the first hit |
| 18:04.24 | findlay | levi: I'm sorry, but I still can't think of anything specific. Perhaps it's because I learned programming with C++. |
| 18:04.29 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: must have missed it |
| 18:04.57 | Uncle_Jesse | nm - I was looking at the stock symbol |
| 18:05.35 | levi | findlay: Well, the details of how function binding works are not at all obvious. |
| 18:06.03 | levi | findlay: For example, combining function overriding with virtual functions is non-obvious. |
| 18:06.35 | findlay | ok |
| 18:06.58 | levi | findlay: Also, the rules for when you need to create virtual destructors in base classes that don't need destructors themselves. |
| 18:08.15 | levi | I am not a C++ guru myself, so I'm not aware of all the weird details. |
| 18:08.23 | findlay | so java, c#, et al don't have these ambiguities? |
| 18:09.56 | levi | No, all functions in those languages are virtual, and garbage collected ones don't have destructors. And they generally have function overloading that works in conjunction with inheritance as well, though I'm not sure about c#. |
| 18:12.09 | levi | C++ lets you make more time vs. space efficiency tradeoff decisions and such things, but all the power has impact on the complexity of the programming model. Sometimes you just don't need to make those choices, and in those cases C++ is needlessly complex. |
| 18:32.33 | findlay | perhaps some of this is addressed in the new C++ standard |
| 18:35.38 | mrpull- | Jayce^: gah, the stats package fouled up my queue :) |
| 18:37.29 | levi | I don't recall what's in the new C++ standard, but I doubt things were made any simpler. |
| 18:37.41 | findlay | (: |
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| 18:45.47 | ECS | /poke maquis |
| 18:45.54 | ECS | ~poke maquis |
| 18:45.56 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, ecs? maquis? |
| 18:46.15 | findlay | ibot, naturally |
| 19:08.00 | goozbach | this is NOT going to be a bad week... this is NOT going to be a bad week... this is NOT going to be a bad week... |
| 19:10.01 | jsmith | goozbach: Just keep telling yourself that... |
| 19:16.22 | vontrapp | recommendations for soundfile decoding/playback in ruby? |
| 19:23.56 | synic | gstreamer? |
| 19:35.31 | vontrapp | what about sdl? |
| 19:58.14 | emcnabb | ugh |
| 19:58.26 | emcnabb | every 5 - 10 minutes the fighter jets fly over here |
| 19:58.31 | emcnabb | so loud... |
| 19:59.31 | graphyx | jsmith: You playing games tonight? |
| 19:59.45 | jsmith | graphyx: Not sure... hoping to though. |
| 19:59.50 | graphyx | I had a rough night last night and my wife doesn't want me to miss an hour or two of work to play so I might not be coming down. |
| 19:59.59 | jsmith | I see. |
| 19:59.59 | graphyx | But if you are planning on showing up let me know . |
| 20:00.04 | jsmith | Will do |
| 20:00.13 | graphyx | cause that might swing it. ;) |
| 20:13.59 | maquis | emcnabb: that sounds like my house... (ok... not quite that often, and it's passenger jets sometimes... but similar) |
| 20:14.21 | maquis | it's kinda fun when they're practicing scrambling, though |
| 20:17.59 | graphyx | They are cooking eggs up therE? I thought they were doing serious stuff. |
| 20:18.07 | graphyx | I feel so disillusioned. |
| 20:18.13 | maquis | graphyx: haha |
| 20:25.28 | maquis | http://f0rked.com/articles/supercooling |
| 20:25.29 | brac | [Supercooled Water] |
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| 20:30.12 | hans | -lart tensai for givine me a cold |
| 20:30.46 | tensai | anybody else want to catch a virus from 1,000 miles away? |
| 20:32.21 | hans | well I have to blame somebody |
| 20:32.41 | hans | this is the third sickness in a week and a half |
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| 20:34.40 | maquis | hans: sucky |
| 20:34.51 | maquis | spr: sup? |
| 20:38.08 | tensai | tera, peta... what comes next? |
| 20:38.58 | hans | pizza |
| 20:39.59 | Jayce^ | w00t! |
| 20:40.08 | hans | -lart Jayce^ |
| 20:40.44 | maquis | Jayce^: congrats! |
| 20:40.53 | hans | way to spread Christmas cheer |
| 20:40.56 | maquis | did the HD just die? |
| 20:41.15 | Jayce^ | sunday night her 4 year old ibook started 'making funny noises' |
| 20:41.20 | maquis | uh oh |
| 20:41.28 | Jayce^ | hard drive sounded like an off-kilter fan, with fun clicks thrown in.. |
| 20:42.21 | Jayce^ | so last night I had the experience of opening up an ibook.... |
| 20:42.29 | Jayce^ | those things are put together very very well |
| 20:42.46 | harleypig | We're the horniest boys |
| 20:42.50 | harleypig | We're the horniest boys |
| 20:42.55 | harleypig | With the corniest ploys |
| 20:43.01 | tensai | mega, giga, tera, peta, exa, zetta, yotta |
| 20:43.04 | harleypig | Who take the easiest girls |
| 20:43.16 | harleypig | To our sleaziest worlds |
| 20:43.50 | harleypig | sorry ... thought I was im Jayce^ ... it's depeche mode, the dead of night. |
| 20:44.15 | harleypig | which I'm listening to right now. |
| 20:45.02 | tensai | harleypig: I don't know what scares me more, that you posted that in #utah or that you meant to write it to Jayce^ |
| 20:45.39 | Jayce^ | for anybody who needs to work on an apple laptop, save this link http://www.pbfixit.com/ |
| 20:45.49 | Jayce^ | some great guides for working on them |
| 20:46.07 | harleypig | maquis: You don't listen to DM ? |
| 20:46.12 | harleypig | tensai: :D |
| 20:46.14 | maquis | Jayce^: cool... i'll probably be fixing my mom's computer like always over break |
| 20:46.20 | maquis | harleypig: DM? whazzat? |
| 20:46.27 | harleypig | maquis: Depeche Mode. |
| 20:46.34 | maquis | nope... never heard of it |
| 20:47.01 | harleypig | maquis: 80s group |
| 20:47.08 | harleypig | they were just in slc last month. |
| 20:47.14 | maquis | ah... |
| 20:48.10 | harleypig | heh ... maquis was probably still in diapers when DM was big. |
| 20:48.29 | tensai | jsmith: maquis hasn't seen nor heard of *anything* |
| 20:48.45 | harleypig | the scary thing for me is, my kids don't know what cassette tapes are for, let alone records, 8-tracks, betamax ... |
| 20:48.56 | hans | that's like saying beethoven was a 19-century composer |
| 20:49.00 | harleypig | And let's not get into 78rpm ... |
| 20:49.16 | harleypig | hans: huh? |
| 20:49.34 | hans | "80s group" |
| 20:49.42 | hans | yes, but that's no excuse for not having heard of them. ;-) |
| 20:50.00 | harleypig | ah |
| 20:50.42 | jsmith | Yes |
| 20:50.47 | harleypig | any less ... non-byu ? :> |
| 20:51.06 | maquis | sure... |
| 20:55.38 | tensai | ~/o your own personal Jesus. someone to hear your prayers, someone who cares o/~ |
| 20:55.42 | maquis | http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=945 |
| 20:55.42 | brac | [Freedom to Tinker » Blog Archive » Inside the MediaMax Prospectus] |
| 20:56.14 | harleypig | What about Blasphemous Rumours ? |
| 20:56.48 | tensai | ~/o I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor o/~ |
| 20:57.11 | tensai | maquis: see, they're a perfectly fine group |
| 20:57.35 | hans | o/~ I want somebody to share, share the rest of my life o/~ |
| 20:57.54 | hans | they're giving you a biased sample. ;-) |
| 20:57.55 | maquis | haha |
| 20:58.17 | maquis | hans: that last one sounds interesting.... |
| 20:58.33 | hans | you may hav danced to it. even you may not have escaped Somebody |
| 20:59.08 | harleypig | and People are People |
| 20:59.32 | hans | just can't get enough |
| 20:59.46 | findlay | is harleypig People? |
| 21:02.29 | harleypig | findlay: Pig's are really close to humans, physiologically speaking ... |
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| 21:03.33 | tensai | mmm. harleybacon... |
| 21:03.54 | Jayce^ | maquis, there is no way you can not have gone to church dances and not heard "somebody" |
| 21:05.22 | harleypig | tensai: What a mental image! |
| 21:05.35 | harleypig | harleyham ... harleychops ... |
| 21:05.46 | tensai | harleybostonbutt |
| 21:06.01 | maquis | Jayce^: i may have heard it... |
| 21:06.02 | findlay | I bet ibot some undisclosed amount of money that I am more ignorant of music than maquis |
| 21:06.20 | maquis | i doubt i danced to it (likely sat along the side wondering if somebody would ask to dance...) |
| 21:06.29 | findlay | dancing is evil |
| 21:06.36 | Jayce^ | ~pity maquis |
| 21:06.38 | ibot | I pity da fool maquis! |
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| 21:06.40 | sjansen | http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051209/sc_afp/franceenvironment;_ylt=A0SOwmdFzZ5D3sMAnDMPLBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- |
| 21:06.42 | brac | [Activists' destruction of GM crops was justified: French court - Yahoo! News] |
| 21:06.52 | sjansen | I'll never understand the French. |
| 21:06.53 | maquis | the thing is, since i don't generally know the artists for music, i wouldn't know |
| 21:07.00 | maquis | sjansen: none of us will |
| 21:07.10 | findlay | didn't know GM was in the agriculture business |
| 21:07.25 | findlay | in France, no less |
| 21:07.30 | tensai | findlay: they obviously can't make cars |
| 21:07.48 | harleypig | They're studying the feasibility of raising plants for fuel extraction. |
| 21:07.51 | Jayce^ | tensai, nah, they can make them, just can't sell them well enough anymore |
| 21:07.58 | Jayce^ | biodiesel |
| 21:08.19 | sjansen | Jayce^: okay, fine, they can't make 'em for much longer |
| 21:08.55 | sjansen | GM == genetically modified |
| 21:09.12 | findlay | everybody's genetically modified |
| 21:09.17 | sjansen | The europeans are scared stiff they'll all be turned into mindless zombies by stray corn genes. |
| 21:09.40 | harleypig | what movie is that from? |
| 21:09.50 | Jayce^ | sjansen, not just europeans... get some fun discussions about that in the midwest |
| 21:09.52 | hans | harleypig: that was a documentary! |
| 21:10.12 | hans | check your email |
| 21:10.15 | findlay | didn't know michael moore was making documentaries again |
| 21:10.16 | tensai | maquis: do do do do do do do |
| 21:10.27 | maquis | tensai: thanks.... |
| 21:10.41 | maquis | hans: cool |
| 21:10.43 | maquis | thanks a ton |
| 21:11.01 | harleypig | hans: it was? |
| 21:11.33 | harleypig | I seem to remember watching some semi-big name freak out |
| 21:12.51 | Jayce^ | harleypig, that was howard dean |
| 21:12.57 | hans | harleypig: no, that was a joke |
| 21:13.52 | harleypig | maybe it was a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits. |
| 21:14.01 | harleypig | Jayce^: that was bad. |
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| 21:14.22 | xbmodder_ | hey all |
| 21:14.37 | sjansen | Quick, everyone hide the Cheese Whiz!!! |
| 21:15.04 | xbmodder_ | ? |
| 21:15.21 | harleypig | Ah HAH! http://www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season6/617.htm |
| 21:15.23 | brac | [THE OUTER LIMITS - SEEDS OF DESTRUCTION] |
| 21:15.44 | maquis | hans: that is a cool song... |
| 21:15.47 | xbmodder_ | ouch :( |
| 21:16.29 | maquis | ~|xbmodder |
| 21:16.35 | maquis | hmmm |
| 21:17.07 | maquis | ~| $foo is <action> beats $foo mercilessly with a lead | |
| 21:17.09 | ibot | maquis: okay |
| 21:17.15 | maquis | ~| xbmodder |
| 21:17.16 | ibot | ACTION beats $foo mercilessly with a lead | |
| 21:17.28 | maquis | hey! |
| 21:17.58 | maquis | what'd i do wrong? |
| 21:19.31 | sjansen | you forgot to share the cheese whiz with ibot |
| 21:19.56 | maquis | ~cheese-whiz ibot |
| 21:20.13 | maquis | ~botsnack |
| 21:20.13 | ibot | :), maquis |
| 21:20.46 | sjansen | So our office has started to receive Christmas cards. I was looking through them a bit ago. One contained a note: "In lieu of including a gift with this card, I have made a charitable contribution to the victims of hurricane Katrina." |
| 21:20.51 | sjansen | talk about weak |
| 21:21.30 | sjansen | "In lieu of the money I wouldn't have sent you anyway, I've decided to make sure you know I'm the type of person that contributes to charities." |
| 21:22.05 | hans | sjansen: did you ever get a card from Debian? |
| 21:22.05 | maquis | sjansen: wow... |
| 21:22.15 | sjansen | hans: I didn't thank you? |
| 21:22.32 | hans | I don't remember |
| 21:22.33 | sjansen | I thought I'd IM'd you a thank you. |
| 21:23.05 | hans | I was afraid the post office wouldn't like the number of stamps |
| 21:23.30 | sjansen | Do you read Wired? The post office will take almost anything as long as they don't think it's dangerous. |
| 21:23.58 | xbmodder_ | lol |
| 21:24.37 | maquis | tmi |
| 21:25.45 | maquis | mmm... let's say i'm thinking of making spaghetti alla carbonara at some point... but, the recipe i found calls for heavy cream... |
| 21:25.57 | maquis | and i'm assuming that nonfat milk probably won't count.... |
| 21:26.16 | tensai | maquis: I used milk, taste fine. other recipes I found called for stock or water. |
| 21:26.23 | maquis | tensai: cool |
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| 21:26.48 | maquis | i'm assuming i can probably drop a couple different ingredients around here... |
| 21:27.07 | maquis | stupid college budget |
| 21:27.41 | tensai | maquis: the truffles, foie gras, and beluga caviar are *not* optional |
| 21:27.50 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 21:28.13 | hans | good thing you can find all that in a college dorm bathroom |
| 21:28.13 | maquis | it would probably be tasty with some sauteed shrimp, wouldn't it? |
| 21:28.41 | maquis | hans: frightening thought... |
| 21:28.41 | tensai | maquis: hey! you stole my idea. I'm making that on Saturday, I think it is |
| 21:28.58 | maquis | tensai: you plan that far in advance? |
| 21:29.10 | tensai | maquis: a week at least, two if we can do it |
| 21:29.20 | maquis | albertsons had a sale on frozen foods, so i got a bag of frozen cooked shrimp that i can add to things |
| 21:29.35 | tensai | maquis: trips to the store get difficult with kids |
| 21:29.38 | graphyx | If you are going to send a card to debian might as well date is from 2003. |
| 21:29.47 | graphyx | Since that is how long it takes them to get anything to us.. ;) |
| 21:30.12 | maquis | tensai: true... for me, they're difficult because most thinhgs don't get sold in sizes that make sense for 1 person |
| 21:30.27 | graphyx | To be honest DM is one of the bands I really like. |
| 21:33.00 | graphyx | that and midnight oil, Some of the Cure, Erasure.. |
| 21:33.07 | graphyx | lars-ut: you playing tonight? |
| 21:33.29 | lars-ut | yes, did you get the nsg from the list? |
| 21:33.39 | lars-ut | nsg = message |
| 21:33.47 | xbmodder_ | lars-ut: what instrument? |
| 21:33.50 | graphyx | lars-ut: nope/ |
| 21:33.53 | tensai | lars-ut: congrats on the nec->asterisk conversion. we've got an nec pbx which I'm hoping eventually to do the same with |
| 21:34.10 | xbmodder_ | lars-ut: good job. what are you doing with the NEC? |
| 21:34.40 | lars-ut | selling it |
| 21:35.30 | lars-ut | had an offer over the phone for the min. bid of $2498 yesterday but it fell through |
| 21:35.46 | xbmodder_ | lars-ut: hmm... how big is the system? |
| 21:35.55 | lars-ut | 25 handesets |
| 21:36.08 | lars-ut | it'll do 12 analog lines |
| 21:36.14 | lars-ut | and 32 handsets as is |
| 21:36.20 | sjansen | lars-ut: do you accept pocket lint as legal tender? |
| 21:36.32 | lars-ut | depends on what it's made of |
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| 21:36.47 | sjansen | mostly pocket, I think |
| 21:36.58 | sjansen | the mcnabb invasion has begun!!! |
| 21:37.07 | lars-ut | brb |
| 21:37.22 | xbmodder_ | lars-ut: 2500, thats all? |
| 21:37.23 | xbmodder_ | pmcnabb: ? |
| 21:38.00 | xbmodder_ | we paid 4000 for a PBX 6 anaglog lines, 8 handsets. |
| 21:38.06 | xbmodder_ | *analog |
| 21:38.51 | maquis | pmcnabb: welcome? |
| 21:38.56 | pmcnabb | hi |
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| 21:39.30 | graphyx | ok where's amcnabb when you need him? |
| 21:39.36 | lars-ut | xbmodder_: we're taking quite a loss on it |
| 21:39.56 | lars-ut | All I've had is 2 other offers for $2000 so far |
| 21:40.07 | lars-ut | I'd be surprised if anyone bids on it |
| 21:40.37 | tensai | lars-ut: I'll give you that much to take mine :) |
| 21:40.53 | emcnabb | wow, pmcnabb is on |
| 21:41.14 | graphyx | ok emcnabb I don't know this pmcnabb Can you authenticate him? |
| 21:41.15 | pmcnabb | there's a first time for everything |
| 21:41.26 | pmcnabb | begin 3-way handshake.. |
| 21:41.45 | hans | no fair, my bros are all studying or taking finals |
| 21:41.50 | hans | or closing on a house |
| 21:42.03 | hans | but brac and I will take them on |
| 21:42.08 | graphyx | anyone else feel like this place is getting taken over by some mafia? |
| 21:42.11 | emcnabb | my bro is too |
| 21:42.32 | sjansen | graphyx: wanna join my gang? |
| 21:42.55 | hans | ~takedown sjansen |
| 21:43.37 | graphyx | sjansen: Umm... What's your gang color? |
| 21:43.47 | graphyx | sjansen: I thought you were part of a Gurulabs gang. |
| 21:44.35 | sjansen | Yeah, but Guru Labs isn't as power hungry as the McNabbs and the Fugals. |
| 21:44.52 | sjansen | So if I ever want to rule #utah with an iron fist, I'm going to need some cronies. |
| 21:45.05 | Jayce^ | bah, who needs cronies to rule here? |
| 21:45.07 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:45.10 | graphyx | sjansen: So brain, what are we going to do today? |
| 21:45.11 | levi | sjansen: I refuse to submit to your rule. |
| 21:45.14 | emcnabb | w00t. I'm part of the mcnabb mafia and guru labs mafia |
| 21:45.22 | sjansen | You seem perfect for the part of malevolent prime counselor. |
| 21:45.36 | graphyx | Like I was saying last week anyone who wants to take a hit on emcnabb is going to have to be really careful. |
| 21:46.13 | graphyx | Well I guess I am part of the Klingler Clan. |
| 21:46.18 | sjansen | levi: That's okay with me. I'm going to need play things when the day comes. |
| 21:46.19 | graphyx | I'll be the second CISSP in the family. |
| 21:46.39 | tensai | sjansen: can I be the quiet religious guy who ends up going crazy? |
| 21:47.05 | sjansen | Perhaps I could condemn levi to an an overdue, underfunded fortran project... |
| 21:47.26 | levi | sjansen: I will rewrite it in Lisp! |
| 21:47.34 | levi | sjansen: And I will use emacs to do it! |
| 21:47.55 | sjansen | I'll make sure you have only nano and g77. |
| 21:48.18 | sjansen | tensai: Sure. But for variety you'll have a large cross-bow collection instead of guns. And a trebuchet. |
| 21:48.54 | levi | sjansen: Well, then I'll have to write an emacs and a lisp first. |
| 21:49.47 | sjansen | ~pity maquis |
| 21:49.49 | ibot | I pity da fool maquis! |
| 21:51.00 | xbmodder_ | ~pity maquis |
| 21:51.01 | ibot | I pity da fool maquis! |
| 21:57.30 | mheath | Would anyone be interested in buying a 35mm canon SLR camera + lense + filters + camera bag? |
| 21:57.48 | bonez41 | mheath, how much...upgrading? |
| 21:58.02 | mheath | I'd like to get a telephoto lense, but the newer cannon lenses don't work with this body. |
| 21:58.04 | jsmith | mheath: How much? |
| 21:58.15 | tensai | mheath: what size is the lens? |
| 21:58.41 | mheath | jsmith: .... |
| 21:58.59 | jsmith | mheath: $60 if you throw in the lens cover |
| 21:59.19 | jsmith | lars-ut: Not only am I smart, I'm a cheap bastard? |
| 21:59.19 | mheath | jsmith: It's got a really nice filter set, that works with new lenses too. The filter set alone is worth around $50 :D |
| 21:59.31 | jsmith | mheath: Alright... $80 |
| 21:59.58 | jsmith | lars-ut: How's that going, anyway... I'm assuming that since I haven't heard anything, that everybody is happy? |
| 22:00.24 | mheath | bonez39: I'm looking for around ~$300 |
| 22:00.37 | mheath | Its a Canon T70, manufactured circa 1984 |
| 22:00.54 | lars-ut | jsmith: We've had intermittent problems with outbound calls not working the first time - I think I've got a bad nic or switch somewhere |
| 22:01.06 | mheath | No autofocus, but it has digital settings control and memory (one of the first mainstream cameras to have these features) |
| 22:01.21 | lars-ut | jsmith: or some bad cabling |
| 22:01.30 | mheath | jsmith: So far you've reached a price where you can afford the case and the lense filters :) |
| 22:01.30 | bonez41 | jsmith, is it possible link the phones....at two locations together, using cable/dsl, running asterisk at one of the two locations? |
| 22:01.45 | jsmith | bonez39: Of course. |
| 22:01.50 | mheath | jsmith: keep going and soon you'll get the manuals too ;-) |
| 22:01.57 | jsmith | lars-ut: I could have told you that you have network problems there :-) |
| 22:02.09 | jsmith | mheath: I'll pass... I'm holding out for a digital SLR |
| 22:02.13 | bonez41 | If I could ever hook in my cell service with VOIP...and have it all be one seamless system..that would be hot |
| 22:02.21 | mheath | Bah, digital is overrated :) |
| 22:02.34 | mheath | I like its convenience for, say, taking pictures at family events |
| 22:02.38 | jsmith | mheath: Yeah, but so are 20 year old analog cameras... |
| 22:02.44 | mheath | For serious artistic phtography, though... |
| 22:02.47 | lars-ut | jsmith: I was hoping to have moved 6 months ago, now I need to deal with it |
| 22:02.52 | jsmith | mheath: I'm not that good :-) |
| 22:02.56 | mheath | .Give me my 35mm and Kodak Ultra Color |
| 22:03.02 | mheath | Or Portra |
| 22:03.07 | jsmith | mheath: And if I were going for artistic, I'd use my dad's medium format camera |
| 22:03.10 | mheath | Depending on what I'm shooting |
| 22:04.20 | tensai | I'm holding out for digital slr too. I would end up spending more on film over the life time so the 35mm TCO is higher |
| 22:04.51 | mheath | Digital SLRs aren't worth the money. |
| 22:05.34 | mheath | You get a huge price jump when you're restricted to companies that know a lot about optics and shutters. |
| 22:05.46 | mheath | Low end digitals now will simulate something similar to SLR |
| 22:05.51 | mheath | IE, they show on the screen whats coming in through the lense |
| 22:06.15 | tensai | he says as he tries to hock a Canon camera |
| 22:06.20 | jsmith | mheath: No, I want a *real* digital SLR -- by a company with a 30+ year track record building SLRs |
| 22:06.50 | jsmith | And yes, it's gonna be expensive... but not as expensive as a digital back for the medium format camera :-) |
| 22:06.52 | tensai | exactly, hence the saving up to buy a digital slr |
| 22:06.53 | mheath | tensai: This has an excellent shutter (curtain style), and a very good lense. |
| 22:07.10 | mheath | By optics I was referring to the fact that true SLR takes a shutter mechanism involving a mirror |
| 22:07.26 | mheath | IE, what comes into the lense is reflected, by a mirror, into your eyepiece up until a split second before the shutter is opened |
| 22:07.36 | mheath | At which point the mirror flips up, enabling light to expose the film |
| 22:07.46 | tensai | mheath: you're implying that I can't buy a cheap 35mm SLR which wouldn't be nearly as good as that 20 year old canon, which isn't true |
| 22:07.58 | tensai | there are cheap SLRs both digital and film. I won't be purchasing either. |
| 22:08.21 | mheath | Who makes cheap SLRs? |
| 22:08.42 | mheath | They're just really complex and delicate. It takes a lot of work to make an SLR |
| 22:11.05 | tensai | that's true of digital and film. you can't just write off *all* digital SLRs because some aren't as good. |
| 22:12.07 | graphyx | jsmith: So you want the canon XT digital Rebel? |
| 22:12.17 | graphyx | only 925 after $75 rebate. |
| 22:12.23 | graphyx | I want one of those as well. |
| 22:12.30 | graphyx | I have a Canon Rebel EOS already. |
| 22:12.40 | graphyx | so I could switch out the lens between the two. |
| 22:12.43 | graphyx | since I already have those. |
| 22:13.16 | mheath | tensai: I didn't say some weren't as good O.o |
| 22:13.38 | tensai | <mheath> Digital SLRs aren't worth the money. |
| 22:13.43 | mheath | I said that for digital, it isn't worth the cost for true SLR, as you can electronically simulate the same thing for a much, much lower cost. |
| 22:13.46 | jsmith | graphyx: Yeah, or one of the higher-end ones... |
| 22:13.54 | tensai | I'm refuting that. *some* digital SLRs are worth a lot of money |
| 22:14.25 | mheath | I mean, when you can simpply electronicly pipe the CCD input onto and LCD... |
| 22:14.37 | mheath | Whats the good of designing complex mechanis to optically reflect it into an eyepiece? |
| 22:15.20 | tensai | I see what you're saying. well, not being an optics expert I wouldn't know. |
| 22:19.57 | levi | mheath: Most digital SLRs have much larger/faster/better sensors than compact digitals. |
| 22:20.30 | levi | mheath: So you get much faster shots, better low-light photos, etc. |
| 22:21.03 | levi | mheath: There are apparently some hybrids out that don't do SLR but have a SLR-sized sensor, but from what I've heard they're pretty new to the market. |
| 22:21.58 | Jayce^ | if you want a good breakdown on sensor capabilities of different models, check out the writeups on dpreview.com |
| 22:21.59 | mheath | levi: No! |
| 22:22.06 | mheath | SLR has *nothing* to do with the quality of the picture you get! |
| 22:22.13 | levi | mheath: Um. |
| 22:22.24 | jsmith | mheath: I beg to differ |
| 22:22.30 | levi | mheath: I didn't say the SLR part of the camera had anything to do with picture quality. |
| 22:22.39 | levi | mheath: I said that digital SLRs tend to have better sensors. |
| 22:22.42 | jsmith | mheath: Especially since only (some) SLRs have full-frame sensors |
| 22:23.02 | mheath | jsmith: SLR is a mechanical mechanism that has nothing to do with the final picture taking. |
| 22:23.14 | jsmith | mheath: Yes, I know what an SLR is, thanks. |
| 22:23.16 | mheath | It merely allows you to better preview what the picture will be like, by showing you what the lense is seeing. |
| 22:23.18 | levi | mheath: SLR is a mechanism, but a digital SLR camera is... a camera. |
| 22:23.22 | mheath | It has NOTHING to do with final picture quality |
| 22:23.37 | levi | mheath: Dude, we understand that. |
| 22:23.47 | jsmith | mheath: All I'm saying is that some digital SLRs have a full-frame sensor, so take pictures with less distortion -- hence a better picture. |
| 22:24.03 | mheath | But levi, I agree.....Higher end cameras (the ones with higher quality CCDs and the like) are the ones that end to have SLRs |
| 22:24.15 | levi | mheath: Until recently, it was impossible to get a full-frame sensor in a digital camera that was NOT a digital SLR. |
| 22:24.16 | jsmith | mheath: Sure, an 8 megapixel point-and-shoot digital might take a better picture than a 3 megapixel digital SLR -- I'm not arguing that |
| 22:24.17 | mheath | However, I've seen some pretty high quality non-SLR digitals |
| 22:24.29 | mheath | My dad just bought a really nice fujifilm |
| 22:24.32 | jsmith | mheath: So have I -- I even happen to own one |
| 22:24.32 | mheath | It does simulated SLR... |
| 22:24.44 | mheath | IE, the viewfinder contains a mini LCD that shows what the lens is viewing |
| 22:25.07 | levi | mheath: Why are you talking about viewfinders? We're talking about sensors. |
| 22:25.28 | mheath | High quality, 8 megapixel, 3CCD |
| 22:25.46 | levi | mheath: How big, physically, is the sensor? |
| 22:26.15 | mheath | levi: They're smaller, but it's 3 CCD. |
| 22:26.23 | jsmith | mheath: I could care less about a digital viewfinder... |
| 22:26.42 | levi | mheath: Quality digital SLRs have big, full-frame sensors. They have a much better response time and light sensitivity than a smaller sensor with the same number of megapixels. |
| 22:26.48 | mheath | jsmith: He was looking at some low end and older digital canon rebels |
| 22:26.49 | jsmith | Yay, I getta go beat up a vendor! |
| 22:27.17 | mheath | jsmith: my point was, he sees things just as if he as an SLR, plus he has just as high of quality electronically and optically. |
| 22:27.19 | levi | I have a fujifilm that sounds like an older version of what your dad got. I like it, but it was definitely a compromise. |
| 22:27.55 | mheath | levi: 3 CCD stuff is the best of the best |
| 22:28.19 | mheath | 3CCD == the light gets split into 3 seperate bands, each one reflected onto a different color-specific CCD |
| 22:29.00 | mheath | 3 times the resolution (and higher color quality) than you'd get from a 1CCD that's the same size. |
| 22:29.59 | jsmith-mtg | Thanks Jayce^ |
| 22:30.09 | mheath | Heh. I'm talking to my friend's girlfriend....she's convinced that the "Fireworks mode" on her digital point-and-shoot is something unique, that my manual can't do. |
| 22:30.35 | mheath | Doesn't believe me when I tell her it's just messing with the apperature + shutter speed + simulated ISO speed |
| 22:30.38 | levi | mheath: What's his camera model number? |
| 22:30.58 | mheath | levi: I don't know. I don't have the camera with me at the moment. |
| 22:31.41 | mheath | Hmm, I need to buy a new skylight filter... |
| 22:31.47 | mheath | This one's getting a bit scratched up |
| 22:32.13 | levi | mheath: How much does it zoom? |
| 22:32.55 | mheath | I can't remember....something like a 10X optical, a lot more electronically (with some weird patented fujifilm algorithm that does a decent job) |
| 22:34.38 | mheath | 1:2.8 - 3.5 |
| 22:34.39 | levi | mheath: It looks like your dad's camera is the latest version of the kind I have. A couple of generations more advanced. |
| 22:34.43 | mheath | All I got on it now.. |
| 22:35.00 | graphyx | So when a digital camera talks about 5x or 10x optical zoom what does that mean in terms of mm? |
| 22:35.27 | mheath | graphyx: It's kinda like using a telescope |
| 22:35.43 | mheath | You can zoom and get perfectly quality, making the image up to 10 times as big |
| 22:36.06 | levi | graphyx: If it's the model I'm looking at now, it's 28-300mm |
| 22:36.07 | mheath | Anything bigger than that, and digital cameras will do it electronically. Kinda like blowing up a picture in Photoshop. |
| 22:36.24 | mheath | Erm, sorry, graphyx, I misread a word you said |
| 22:36.55 | mheath | I didn't mean to give you a kindergartner explanation of optical zoom. I misread something you said, and thought you were confused about terminology. |
| 22:37.24 | sjansen | ~send graphyx back to kindiegarden |
| 22:37.26 | ibot | Go (.*?), graphyx |
| 22:37.26 | mheath | levi: yeah, around there |
| 22:37.41 | graphyx | I understand that part. |
| 22:37.47 | graphyx | But what is the actual conversion? |
| 22:37.49 | bonez41 | kindie? kinder _ yes... |
| 22:38.12 | mheath | The only lense I have for my SLR is 28-90mm |
| 22:38.16 | mheath | I really need a telephoto :( |
| 22:38.23 | bonez41 | da gibts kein Wort "kindie" auf deutsch, aber "Kinder" gibt es schon... |
| 22:38.52 | mheath | levi: I was really impressed by the quality and resolution |
| 22:38.59 | mheath | My dad hiked up a small mountain near our ranch in colorado |
| 22:39.00 | bonez41 | wahrscheinlich weisst du das, sjansen sws |
| 22:39.07 | sjansen | bonez41: tudo que diz e' so' chines para mim |
| 22:39.07 | mheath | And he took pictures, zoomed up a bit, of our ranch from up there |
| 22:39.34 | bonez41 | espanol...hablo un pocito.... |
| 22:39.43 | mheath | You could zoom in and crop the image, and get nice, decent-resolution, high quality pictures that you'd think were taken much closer... |
| 22:39.49 | hans | oh yeah, my camera has a 3x digital zoom, so it r0x0rs yours |
| 22:41.36 | mheath | Speaking of cameras, I need to go find my old cheap 35mm |
| 22:41.57 | mheath | I need something I can take with me to this training that won't break easily, and that I won't have to stress over if it does break.. |
| 22:44.06 | levi | mheath: Unfortunately, your dad's camera only seems slightly faster than mine, and when trying to shoot moving targets, mine's seriously annoying. |
| 22:44.07 | graphyx | mheath: I hope that I would understand what a telephoto lens really is after having taken photography in high school and currently possessing a film SLR with multiple lenses. |
| 22:44.29 | levi | mheath: I was trying to get a picture of a pacing lion at a zoo, and I couldn't time it right. |
| 22:45.05 | levi | mheath: Anyway, my camera has a similar CCD, just fewer megapixels. |
| 22:45.09 | mheath | graphyx: yeah, again, sorry. I just misread something you said. |
| 22:45.27 | mheath | hmmm, my cheaper cannon |
| 22:45.33 | mheath | Cannon Sureshot =) |
| 22:45.36 | levi | mheath: I'm pretty happy with it, but I enjoy shooting with my dad's Digital Rebel even more. |
| 22:46.18 | mheath | you cam imprint the date on your picture >.> |
| 22:48.17 | levi | mheath: The Fujifilm cameras do really well at competing with big-sensor DSLRs at high light levels, but they don't fare as well at low light levels. |
| 22:49.02 | levi | If I were to buy a new non-DSLR camera, I would probably get one that had a large sensor and image stabilization. |
| 22:50.27 | pmcnabb | time to head off to my data structures final... |
| 22:50.44 | mheath | Theres a pmcnabb?! |
| 22:50.44 | pmcnabb | too bad the mafia connections don't extend into the classroom |
| 22:50.50 | mheath | *mcnabb |
| 22:50.56 | tensai | dig austin.rr.com mx |
| 22:51.04 | tensai | holy crap, somebody went nuts |
| 22:52.21 | tensai | 6 MXes, each has 5 addresses on the same subnet |
| 22:52.37 | tensai | er, make that 7 addresses |
| 22:52.55 | mheath | 12 days til' christmas |
| 22:54.12 | sjansen | On the 12th day of Christmas my true love gave to me... spam! |
| 22:54.27 | mheath | On the first day of christmas, my true love gave to me...a partridge in a pear tree. |
| 22:54.54 | sjansen | 11 organ elargements, 10 embezzlement schemes, 9 dodgy subscription drugs |
| 22:55.44 | ScytheBlade1 | 8 software offers |
| 22:55.58 | sjansen | 7 chain letters |
| 22:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 rolex watches |
| 22:57.18 | tensai | 5 Sober viruses |
| 22:58.17 | Jayce^ | 12 Nigerians wanting to pay me to help move money out of their country |
| 22:58.22 | mheath | 4 Newsletters |
| 22:59.23 | Jayce^ | 3 things I saw on snopes last week |
| 23:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | 2 debt elimination plans |
| 23:00.56 | mheath | 1 legitimate piece of mail! |
| 23:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's gold, that really is |
| 23:01.53 | Jayce^ | nah, 1 piece of bayesian poison |
| 23:15.03 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 23:15.24 | sjansen | Jayce^: there's a tigger^ on #bzr, maybe the two of you are related |
| 23:16.12 | hans | why does my bind keep dying? I hate bind |
| 23:17.48 | Bradipo | Because you aren't using djbdns. ;-) |
| 23:18.03 | Bradipo | Maybe you could supervise named... |
| 23:18.09 | Bradipo | If only named wouldn't fork to the background. |
| 23:19.21 | Bradipo | hans: By the way, I have the same problem with bind. After an rndc reload it just dies. |
| 23:19.35 | Bradipo | So I end up restarting it manually anyway. |
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| 23:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | What kernel version? 2.6.14 broke BIND completly |
| 23:22.58 | ScytheBlade1 | One of the later point-releases fixed it |
| 23:26.47 | sjansen | the kernel broke bind? nice |
| 23:26.50 | Bradipo | ScytheBlade1: This is on a 2.4 kernel. |
| 23:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, never mind then |
| 23:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, 2.6.14.2 fixed it from LKML |
| 23:28.43 | ScytheBlade1 | but .14 broke it nicely |
| 23:41.21 | tensai | ~lart uw-imap |
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| 23:49.18 | Uncle_Jesse | where is the web history for ibot stored? the url ibot lists doesn't work |
| 23:49.43 | harleypig | perldoc Proc::PID::File |
| 23:49.45 | harleypig | dangit |
| 23:51.05 | tensai | ~logs |
| 23:51.07 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
| 23:51.15 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: that one doesn't work? |
| 23:52.06 | Uncle_Jesse | the http://ibot.rikers.org/utah/ doesn't work |
| 23:52.14 | Uncle_Jesse | gives a 404 |
| 23:52.18 | tensai | http://ibot.rikers.org/#utah/ |
| 23:52.23 | brac | [ibot/jbot logs for 2005] |
| 23:52.46 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - duh - #utah |
| 23:53.24 | Uncle_Jesse | thx |
| 23:59.49 | mheath | Hmm |
