| 00:12.04 | RyanE | levi: URL of wacky programming guy again? |
| 00:21.43 | levi | RyanE: http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/ |
| 00:23.25 | maquis | ~lart type-checking interpreters |
| 00:24.45 | RyanE | levi: thx |
| 00:26.11 | levi | RyanE: If he reacts to my latest comment like he did to the previous one, I'm going to write him off as an idiot and stop following his blog altogether. |
| 00:29.02 | levi | Gah, I have a headache. :/ |
| 00:29.13 | levi | And a stupid paper to write. |
| 00:29.32 | levi | Oh, I finished my paper on C's deficiencies. |
| 00:29.44 | levi | I haven't got it available anywhere yet, though. |
| 00:29.49 | maquis | levi: headache, a take-home final to write, and a cs330 final to fail tomorrow |
| 00:30.09 | levi | maquis: My paper is a take-home final, too. |
| 00:30.39 | maquis | levi: fun... my take-home final's in bio... |
| 00:30.54 | levi | maquis: And I have a final tomorrow, but I will hopefully be acing it instead of failing. |
| 00:31.04 | maquis | it's taking a while, but at least i can do it in LaTeX |
| 00:31.08 | maquis | levi: lucky |
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| 00:45.04 | tensai | maquis: I didn't take much from cs330 either |
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| 02:51.18 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
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| 03:07.01 | levi | Man, my wireless is incredibly flaky tonight. |
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| 04:18.35 | emcnabb | San Diego is warm... ah... |
| 04:19.42 | mheath | Yep :) |
| 04:20.04 | mheath | and hopefully be down there by next winter, too :) |
| 04:22.54 | emcnabb | it's amazing how strong the Navy/Marine presence is down here |
| 04:23.55 | emcnabb | I'm right next to Miramar marine corps air station this week |
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| 04:42.39 | emcnabb | interesting: from the chkconfig man page: "This implementation of chkconfig was inspired by the chkconfig command present in the IRIX operating system." |
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| 04:47.47 | Uncle_Jesse | any php users in here? |
| 04:50.33 | emcnabb | hans is |
| 04:50.33 | emcnabb | hard core |
| 04:52.14 | Uncle_Jesse | I need some help with pear - I am a php n00b, hardcore perl user |
| 04:57.57 | levi | Poor Uncle_Jesse, forced to use php. :( |
| 05:00.38 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: well, I'm avoiding it - the trouble I'm having is installing the perl includes for php |
| 05:00.45 | Uncle_Jesse | so I can write perl in php :-) |
| 05:01.11 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone ever installed a php module? I have no clue how to do it |
| 05:02.39 | Uncle_Jesse | man php - is such a perl wannabe |
| 05:02.48 | Uncle_Jesse | s/php -/- php/ |
| 05:12.17 | maquis | hehe |
| 05:12.34 | maquis | this was originally posted back in 2000 (just after the election): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/all-stores-ballot.html/103-4002620-7972642 |
| 05:12.36 | brac | [Amazon.com--Earth's Biggest Selection] |
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| 05:34.20 | mheath | Why does life have to be such a worthless game? |
| 05:34.27 | mheath | It's all a joke.... |
| 05:36.52 | emcnabb | bad day? |
| 05:37.17 | mheath | emcnabb: Bad life. |
| 05:37.45 | emcnabb | it could be worse |
| 05:38.19 | mheath | My entire life....its just mundane crap, while I stress over worthless games. |
| 05:38.34 | mheath | I exert so much time and energy on these stupid games |
| 05:38.40 | mheath | I'm really tired of it..... |
| 05:38.44 | emcnabb | what are some examples of these games? |
| 05:38.59 | mheath | School. |
| 05:39.19 | emcnabb | yes, school is a game |
| 05:39.34 | emcnabb | it does get better though |
| 05:39.38 | mheath | I'm now failing several classes. It's a game, it does nothing for me but create huge amounts of stress. |
| 05:39.45 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, at least your not me, dumb ya know? |
| 05:39.51 | mheath | Where, when? Why in the world would it get better? |
| 05:39.52 | emcnabb | college still sucks, but it sucks less |
| 05:40.01 | mheath | I've already joined the work force |
| 05:40.07 | emcnabb | you start to take classes that interest you |
| 05:40.28 | mheath | emcnabb: I do take classes that interest me. They're still a game, though, and the worst part of the game is the classes that don't. |
| 05:42.58 | mheath | I have no friends, no social life. I live to play this game, and its slowly consuming me. It gets me no where, just takes all my time and energy, and does nothing for me, neither now or in the long run. |
| 05:43.06 | emcnabb | all I'm saying is that school will get better than what is probably is right now |
| 05:43.20 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: it's all worth it when it's all over though. Just play the games, make fun of them, and then you can continue laughing at them when you're done. |
| 05:43.50 | emcnabb | mheath, you have a whole IRC room of friends; what more could you ask for? |
| 05:44.05 | mheath | Haha, yeah, *that* makes me feel better. |
| 05:46.48 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: ibot is my best friend :-) |
| 05:47.02 | Uncle_Jesse | stupid php... |
| 05:47.26 | Uncle_Jesse | can't get this stupid perl in php thingy to work |
| 05:47.38 | Uncle_Jesse | it's biting back I think |
| 05:47.56 | harleypig | perl doesn't want to work in php ... it's a travesty. |
| 05:48.04 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: I'm seeing that |
| 05:48.08 | maquis | mheath: if it's any consolation, i'm stuck in the middle of it too... |
| 05:48.13 | Uncle_Jesse | it would help if I knew anything about php |
| 05:48.26 | emcnabb | mheath, I think ibot is single if you want to hook up with her |
| 05:48.39 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: <?php system 'foo.pl' ?> |
| 05:48.39 | maquis | and i've got a final tomorrow that i'm afraid i'm not going to do well on at all |
| 05:48.42 | emcnabb | then you could have a girlfriend too |
| 05:48.55 | emcnabb | IRC friends, a bot girlfriend |
| 05:49.01 | emcnabb | now that's the life |
| 05:49.25 | harleypig | emcnabb: You're a sick, sick man. |
| 05:49.52 | mheath | maquis: I'm failing several of my classes, and likely won't graduate from highschool. I'm feeling like I've thrown away my life because of some choices I've made, as I used to be a very good student, but wondering if thats the case. |
| 05:50.15 | mheath | I live for nothing and look forward to very little. My life is a constant mundane blur of school and work. |
| 05:50.42 | harleypig | mheath: I've been in that situation several times, am currently ina similar situation. You can *NOT* worry about where you've been ... only where you can go from where you are. |
| 05:50.47 | emcnabb | 1) Turn off IRC; 2) Do home work 3) ??? 4) Profit! |
| 05:51.15 | mheath | emcnabb: Be nice if I was capable of doing my calculus homework. I've dug myself into too much of a hole. |
| 05:51.34 | emcnabb | I sucked at Calculus |
| 05:51.38 | mheath | I had trouble early on, and didn't want to ask for help. I spent too much time trying to figure out some early concepts, and missed too much in class. |
| 05:51.41 | emcnabb | I was in the same spot |
| 05:51.43 | maquis | mheath: talk to the teacher... talk to that nerdy kid in the class who always knows all the answers... talk to *someone* who can help you |
| 05:51.43 | harleypig | mheath: Then talk to someone about it ... someone who can help .. .you're teacher, you're parents ... |
| 05:51.52 | emcnabb | I got behind, I had no clue what was going on |
| 05:52.06 | mheath | Hahaha. I have talked to the teacher |
| 05:52.13 | mheath | Perhaps I didn't make it clear how far behind I am |
| 05:52.22 | mheath | The teacher tries to help me, and explain things in what she sees as very simple, easy terms |
| 05:52.34 | mheath | Even that is *way* over my head at this point. |
| 05:52.43 | harleypig | mheath: It doesn't matter how far behind you are. If yo don't talk to someone about it ... |
| 05:52.53 | harleypig | then you need to go back and take the pre-req again ... |
| 05:52.55 | mheath | I tried to, tonight |
| 05:52.57 | emcnabb | I flunked a lot of things in life. I look at myself as a sucessful failure. Even though I suck at many things, life has ended up working well. |
| 05:52.59 | harleypig | there's nothing wrong with that. |
| 05:53.14 | mheath | And got a nice little lecture about how I'm a failure, how this is all my fault, and how I'm guaranteed to fail this class from my dad :) |
| 05:53.25 | maquis | mheath: i'm with harleypig on going back and retaking the pre-req |
| 05:53.27 | emcnabb | harleypig, I ended up retaking prereqs several times |
| 05:53.33 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - do it while you're single. My wife wouldn't let me take any of my courses over |
| 05:53.37 | harleypig | yeah, me too. |
| 05:53.53 | mheath | I didn't have most of the prereq class. |
| 05:54.02 | mheath | I transfered out of it halfway through, to do something else. |
| 05:54.38 | harleypig | mheath: that's definitely part of the problem ... |
| 05:54.42 | maquis | they've already given me the "if you're getting Cs in your classes, you must be in the wrong major" talk enough times that there are times i believe them |
| 05:54.51 | mheath | I should have still been able to OK in this class, according to the teacher and everyone else.... |
| 05:54.55 | tensai | maquis: you should flunk at least one. it's quite liberating. |
| 05:54.58 | harleypig | maquis: A 'C' is still a degree ... |
| 05:55.08 | mheath | However, missing a lot of the prereq, and the simple fact that I'd done almost no math for almost a year.... |
| 05:55.12 | mheath | Didn't help. |
| 05:55.24 | maquis | tensai: at this point, i really can't... |
| 05:55.33 | maquis | harleypig: yeah... i've been trying to explain that to my parents |
| 05:55.34 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: any way of getting the books, studying it on your own, and cleping out? |
| 05:55.54 | harleypig | maquis: I'd rather work with someone who worked their butts of to pass with a 'C' than with someone who skated through and got 'A's ... |
| 05:56.00 | Uncle_Jesse | I found doing that was some times easier than listening to a teacher |
| 05:56.01 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: I'm in highschool. |
| 05:56.12 | harleypig | mheath: definitely ... there is nothing wrong with retreating and coming from a different angle. |
| 05:56.24 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: ah - that would be why you can't retake the class. |
| 05:56.25 | mheath | harleypig: I tried to do that. Months ago. |
| 05:56.26 | emcnabb | The obligatory joke: What do they call the person who graduated in last place from their med school class? A. Doctor! |
| 05:56.30 | mheath | I told the teacher I needed to get out of the class |
| 05:56.33 | mheath | From the very beginning |
| 05:56.39 | mheath | But she kept talking me into staying in |
| 05:56.41 | maquis | harleypig: sometimes i agree... but it seems like there are so many people that just inherently understand all this stuff |
| 05:56.44 | mheath | Until it was too late for me to get out, and I was failing. |
| 05:56.47 | tensai | harleypig: what about the best of both worlds: lazy *and* C's? |
| 05:56.47 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: do your parents understand? |
| 05:57.03 | harleypig | tensai: Yep. That's me! |
| 05:57.19 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: Not at all. My dad's convinced that he's god's gift to math tuturing, and is just upset that I didn't come to him for help more often. |
| 05:57.39 | harleypig | mheath: I've taken some classes three or four times. I've had to go back over a project in the working world three or four times ... it's the same th ing. |
| 05:58.05 | mheath | I find it very disturbing that he's just given up on me passing that class |
| 05:58.14 | mheath | Though it's very unlikeley |
| 05:58.16 | harleypig | maquis: Isn't there stuff you inherently understand? Also, there is a big difference between someone who inately knows a topic and one who has had the epiphany. |
| 05:58.31 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: have you tried going over the teacher's head to the principle or someone like that to explain your position? |
| 05:58.47 | mheath | I've been struggling with assignments and able to get so few in, plus I've missed the only test we've had (I need to go take that...) |
| 05:58.55 | maquis | harleypig: occasionally |
| 05:59.06 | mheath | I think I have around a 10% in that class. It's horrible. |
| 05:59.20 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: Nope. |
| 05:59.22 | maquis | harleypig: i can do most humanities classes -- history, english, etc without putting in any effort... |
| 05:59.26 | maquis | the cs classes, though... |
| 05:59.28 | harleypig | maquis: I can tell you exactly what I was doing when I finally understood recursion ... I'd been beating my head on it for months. Literally. |
| 05:59.40 | emcnabb | I got a 26% on my Calc final at the University of Illinois |
| 05:59.45 | emcnabb | of course that was a B+ |
| 05:59.51 | harleypig | maquis: Exactly. I couldn't write a short essay if my life depended on it. |
| 05:59.59 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm doing that with installing a pear module right now |
| 06:00.14 | maquis | harleypig: unfortunately, i find those majors to be exceptionally pointless and boring |
| 06:00.23 | harleypig | maquis: but now recursion is such a simple and often used topic. |
| 06:00.46 | harleypig | maquis: Which is probably why you chose computers ... you feel a sense of accomplishment when you understand something. |
| 06:01.00 | emcnabb | mheath, I'm off to bed. Good luck with everything. I hope it works out ok. |
| 06:01.01 | emcnabb | night |
| 06:01.06 | maquis | harleypig: sure... when i get it |
| 06:01.06 | mheath | G'night. |
| 06:01.18 | harleypig | mheath: CounterStrike ... cyberpeople feel no pain. |
| 06:01.30 | mheath | My dad told me he was making dinner, so I go to take a short nap. Assuming he'd wake me up when dinner is ready. |
| 06:01.55 | mheath | After I'm asleep, he apparently decides he's not making dinner, and leaves. |
| 06:02.14 | mheath | My "short nap" (30 minutes, I was thinking) turned into about ~6 hours of sleep |
| 06:02.36 | harleypig | heh ... and now you're wide awake. |
| 06:03.01 | harleypig | maquis: But you feel the accomplishment more for having worked harder for it, right? |
| 06:03.20 | maquis | harleypig: to a degree |
| 06:03.55 | maquis | although, i do find some excitement in essay-tests where i haven't done a single reading the entire semester, but am able to bs my way through the entire test |
| 06:05.05 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I love those |
| 06:05.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I missed half of my lit 100 level class, and aced my final because of that |
| 06:05.38 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: yeah... they make me feel smart again... |
| 06:05.55 | Uncle_Jesse | I was also one of the first to finish the test |
| 06:07.00 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: if it makes you feel better I didn't do the best I could have in High School, but then was able to go on and get only one B in college. The only thing getting good grades in high school does is get you to a good college |
| 06:07.21 | Uncle_Jesse | one B meaning all As and one B |
| 06:11.34 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: i did better in high school... but i didn't really start programming until college... a |
| 06:12.16 | RyanE_ | I messed around in HS, didn't take ANY math for 2 years. Then after 1 year in college, I left for 2 years on a mission. I had to re-take math prereqs all the way back... |
| 06:12.21 | Uncle_Jesse | all that really matters in college is your ability to learn - if you can master that, you can get through anything in college |
| 06:12.22 | levi | maquis: You're doing very well for someone who didn't start programming until college. |
| 06:12.33 | maquis | levi: thanks... |
| 06:12.37 | maquis | it's frustrating, though |
| 06:13.14 | levi | I started programming when I was around 7 or 8. Not that I really did any significant programs before high school, or much of any there. |
| 06:13.29 | Uncle_Jesse | most of my programming I learned outside of school - I haven't used many of the programming languages they taught in college in the workplace |
| 06:13.47 | maquis | it's interesting... i read a book discussing why women tend to stay out of CS programs... and one of the things they mentioned is that the vast majority of girls don't start programming until college |
| 06:14.09 | maquis | and when they do start, they realize that a lot of people have been doing it for a long time |
| 06:15.07 | maquis | so, i asked around, and none of the girls in my year here started before college... (btw, i might note that i'm not including vb in here... i did 1 class of vb before coming here, but it was worthless) |
| 06:17.13 | maquis | it was interesting to see that... and i know a couple people (boys and girls) who started the major, and dropped out in the first year because "everyone has so much experience and i'm so behind" |
| 06:17.52 | levi | Yeah, that's really unfortunate. |
| 06:18.14 | levi | I think it's especially hard at a place like BYU that requires a lot faster pace. |
| 06:18.22 | levi | UVSC classes are generally a lot easier. |
| 06:18.32 | maquis | i'm guessing there are plenty of places with *much* faster paces |
| 06:18.56 | maquis | i would've washed out within the first year there, i'm sure |
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| 06:19.40 | Uncle_Jesse | booyaa - we have perl in php |
| 06:20.26 | Uncle_Jesse | good night all |
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| 06:27.33 | levi | On the other hand, it seems like there are some pretty hardcore programming classes at UVSC. The guy I have for my design patterns class is a hardcore C++ programmer. |
| 06:28.11 | maquis | levi: and you've got a good bit longer papers than i've ever had to do for a cs class |
| 06:28.30 | levi | And he teaches a C++ class in which he gets into some serious stuff, like making classes that handle their own memory allocation. |
| 06:28.51 | levi | And all sorts of bizarre C++ stuff. |
| 06:29.58 | levi | C++ is a seriously powerful language, but you've got to really know it inside and out to keep from having its quirks bite you. |
| 06:30.19 | levi | maquis: Well, the 20 page paper was for a required English class. |
| 06:30.24 | maquis | levi: oh... |
| 06:30.37 | levi | maquis: I just did it on a programming topic because I felt like it. |
| 06:30.37 | maquis | like english 360 (technical writing) |
| 06:30.43 | levi | Yeah. |
| 06:30.58 | levi | It ended up being closer to 30 pages with all the front matter garbage and reference pages. |
| 06:31.21 | levi | And cleaning up the page breaks, and adding in a graphic aid. |
| 06:31.35 | maquis | levi: ah... |
| 06:31.45 | levi | I'm still not sure if I fulfilled all the technical requirements for it. Makes me nervous. |
| 06:32.20 | maquis | out of curiosity, how do i make LaTeX handle widow/orphan lines automatically? it seems like i always get those, even in LaTeX, and i thought that it wasn't supposed ot happen there |
| 06:32.55 | levi | I don't know, as I don't know LaTeX. |
| 06:33.01 | levi | I did my report in Word. :( |
| 06:33.08 | maquis | :( |
| 06:33.34 | levi | It does work, even if the output isn't nearly as pretty as LaTeX. |
| 06:33.40 | maquis | the last time i used word was english 360, actually |
| 06:34.09 | levi | I even managed to figure out how to get the ....s for my table of contents. |
| 06:34.10 | maquis | and my teacher commented on the fact that i randomly had a :w in various parts of rough-drafts |
| 06:34.33 | levi | Too much vi, my friend. :) |
| 06:34.37 | maquis | :) |
| 06:34.38 | levi | You need emacs. |
| 06:34.43 | maquis | nah |
| 06:35.03 | levi | I still use vim on occasion to do certain kinds of editing, but emacs is my primary programming editor now. |
| 06:35.06 | maquis | i used emacs for a year and a half |
| 06:35.19 | maquis | then i discovered vim |
| 06:35.23 | levi | You can use emacs for years and not really /use/ it. |
| 06:35.52 | maquis | i still don't use vim to its full potential |
| 06:35.55 | maquis | i'll admit that... |
| 06:36.33 | maquis | but i like the fact that i can hit <caps>lllllkkkk to get to someplace without having to move my hands or reach anywhere inconvenient |
| 06:38.17 | levi | The emacs commands to move by word or sentence are very handy. And with caps remapped to control, I don't have to move my hands anywhere inconvenient either. |
| 06:38.19 | maquis | (i'll admit that if i have to reach all the way up to escape, vim can be a bit less convenient) |
| 06:38.29 | maquis | levi: true |
| 06:38.54 | maquis | although, the movement commands didn't make any sense to me... and i don't know of a fun game that uses those commands to help me learn them :) |
| 06:39.07 | levi | The command line? :) |
| 06:39.23 | maquis | levi: the command-line uses vim keybindings :) |
| 06:39.26 | levi | previous, next, forward, and back aren't too hard. |
| 06:39.46 | levi | Only if you're weird. Even when I was a die-hard vim user, I couldn't stand having a modal command line. |
| 06:40.41 | levi | Why are previous and next hard to remember? |
| 06:43.05 | maquis | it's just that hjkl are really easy... not that pnfb are hard |
| 06:51.29 | RyanE_ | ll |
| 06:51.33 | RyanE_ | hehe |
| 06:52.00 | RyanE_ | and I can't type in the third person. :) |
| 07:09.44 | maquis | RyanE_: mocking you for what? |
| 07:12.44 | maquis | ~mock RyanE_ |
| 07:12.45 | ibot | ACTION pulls RyanE_'s pants down and shows the world RyanE_'s pink spotted underwear |
| 07:14.20 | RyanE_ | maquis: < RyanE_> ll |
| 07:14.39 | RyanE_ | seems like just the other day I was mocking you for 'ls'. :) |
| 07:14.48 | maquis | RyanE_: yeah... we all do that :) |
| 07:15.00 | maquis | the funny ones are the 'su -' ones |
| 07:39.58 | levi | Woo, I do believe I'm completely finished with assignments for this term. Now I just need to take a final tomorrow and turn in my last paper. |
| 07:40.40 | levi | Then I can concentrate on getting my car fixed so I can smog it and get the registration renewed. |
| 07:41.30 | levi | And getting the spare bedroom transformed into a nursery. And buying/installing the final trim pieces to finish off the living room. And maybe doing some hacking again on the side. ;) |
| 07:42.07 | maquis | -lart levi |
| 07:47.00 | xbmodder_lappy | is portage ever gunna get a "real" upgrade? |
| 07:51.25 | tensai | maquis: I had a year of programming in high school, plus I learned some pascal on my own. I was scared that some of my friends knew a ton more than I, but I fared ok. I discovered I wasn't that interested in being a code monkey. |
| 07:51.36 | tensai | maquis: not everything CS is code |
| 07:51.55 | tensai | I'd rather be a BOFH any day |
| 07:52.57 | RyanE_ | tensai: I had 2 years of programming in HS, wrote grading software for a teacher over the summer in HS, decided I *liked* being a code monkey. Takes all types. |
| 07:53.44 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, being a BOFH gets alot more interaction too :) |
| 07:53.56 | tensai | I like coding but I get disinterested after a couple thousand lines. being a sysadmin none of my programs are even 1000 lines, so I'm set. |
| 07:54.13 | tensai | RyanE_: what kind of coding do you do? |
| 07:54.15 | RyanE_ | xbmodder_lappy: interaction -- another disadvantage to the job. :) |
| 07:54.28 | RyanE_ | C++ / C#. |
| 07:54.44 | RyanE_ | Home Automation |
| 07:54.52 | xbmodder_lappy | what are jobs? |
| 07:55.08 | tensai | RyanE_: you work at that place that did the presentation at sllug? |
| 07:55.29 | RyanE_ | possibly. I know they did one there about a year ago, but I've only been there 6 mos. now |
| 07:55.54 | tensai | I didn't attend, just watched the video. looked way fun but way out of my price range. |
| 07:56.08 | maquis | tensai: true... |
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| 07:56.43 | RyanE_ | tensai: yeah, it's usually a bit pricey, but we're trying to bring the price down, and we're a lot cheaper than some of the alternatives. |
| 07:57.00 | tensai | maquis: one other important thing I took away from college. there were so many times I thought I would just give up, that I couldn't hack it. I failed a few classes, bombed a few tests. But I survived. |
| 07:57.24 | maquis | tensai: at this point, i can't fail a few classes |
| 07:57.32 | maquis | that's the scary part |
| 07:57.50 | tensai | RyanE_: and a lot easier to interop and tinker with too, I'm sure. that's worth a lot in my book. |
| 07:58.49 | RyanE_ | maquis: I think most CS majors fail at least one or two... at least the *good* ones I know. :) |
| 07:58.54 | tensai | maquis: my last semester I was scared to death I wouldn't pass one class. luckily it worked out. |
| 07:59.32 | maquis | RyanE_: that's cool if you're not required to graduate by a particular day, and cutting it very close |
| 07:59.42 | RyanE_ | aha, the Amazon thing? |
| 07:59.48 | maquis | RyanE_: yup |
| 07:59.55 | tensai | my failed classes: Statistics, E. CS 460 (Networking), UW. CS 456 (GUIs), D+ |
| 08:00.08 | RyanE_ | yeah, we planned our wedding based on my graduating, and I didn't graduate until a year later... :) |
| 08:00.18 | maquis | haha |
| 08:00.28 | RyanE_ | I UWed 404, Math 113 (twice). |
| 08:00.41 | RyanE_ | Ended up taking Math 113 Independent studay. |
| 08:00.44 | maquis | tensai: i'm taking 460 next semester... :) i'll finally understand some of the networking stuff :) |
| 08:00.53 | RyanE_ | I liked 460 enough to take 560 |
| 08:00.53 | maquis | RyanE_: you UWed 404? :) that's great |
| 08:01.16 | tensai | I UW'd 460 because I knew it would be interesting the second time. I didn't have enough time for it and the graphics course. |
| 08:01.18 | RyanE_ | yeah, I decided that it was the class I would sacrifice to do better in the others. |
| 08:01.30 | RyanE_ | ended up being not a bad choice. |
| 08:01.35 | maquis | i went into that class thinking "wow! i can actually get a good grade in a cs class!"... and then i realized that it's really easy to stop doing projects when the class is nothing but busywork |
| 08:01.43 | RyanE_ | yeah |
| 08:01.46 | tensai | RyanE_: same here |
| 08:02.21 | tensai | I liked 460 but I wasn't convinced taking it from Clement would be worth my time |
| 08:02.23 | maquis | i ended up dropping some things... but thus far, i've managed to pull things off in such a way that, while i drop balls, i've managed to pass (barely) all my classes |
| 08:02.34 | tensai | er, I meant taking 560 would be worth it... |
| 08:02.47 | maquis | i'm rather certain that i passed cs236 on pity-points |
| 08:03.04 | tensai | maquis: shouldn't you be studying rather than gabbing on IRC? |
| 08:03.13 | maquis | tensai: my printer's printing out the notes |
| 08:03.43 | maquis | and once they're printed and stapled, i'm ditching for the night and getting a few winks of sleep |
| 08:03.52 | maquis | at least til 6:30 or so |
| 08:03.54 | tensai | speaking of home automation, here's a video of a guy who synchronized his christmas lights to music |
| 08:04.02 | RyanE_ | tensai: surely faked |
| 08:04.02 | tensai | www.klce.com/xmas_lights.html |
| 08:04.13 | tensai | looks pretty cool anyway |
| 08:04.36 | RyanE_ | I strongly suspect it's 'animated' with different still shots |
| 08:04.48 | tensai | RyanE_: why do you suspect that? |
| 08:04.50 | RyanE_ | but yeah, I'ts cool enough to have made the rounds a few times. |
| 08:04.55 | maquis | yay! it finished! |
| 08:05.03 | RyanE_ | just looks like it. all the 'same' shots look EXACTLY the same. |
| 08:05.08 | RyanE_ | at least to me |
| 08:05.08 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 08:05.12 | xbmodder_lappy | but it looks cool. |
| 08:05.18 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE_, analyze it |
| 08:05.22 | maquis | no sutable plugins were found |
| 08:05.23 | xbmodder_lappy | and then you'll be famous |
| 08:05.27 | xbmodder_lappy | that'll be cool. |
| 08:05.36 | xbmodder_lappy | then we'll have to famous people in here |
| 08:05.39 | RyanE_ | yeah, someone had enough time to put it together, but probably not enough to actually choreograph them for 'real'. |
| 08:05.45 | RyanE_ | like *I* have that kind of time. |
| 08:06.06 | tensai | maquis: http://www.klce.com/images/lizapics/WizardsofWinter-SM.wmv |
| 08:06.13 | maquis | gnight all... it's a touch of tylenol nad off to bed with me |
| 08:06.20 | RyanE_ | 'night |
| 08:06.37 | tensai | I should go to sleep to. I suppose I have to work tomorrow. |
| 08:06.46 | RyanE_ | yeah, me too. |
| 08:15.53 | xbmodder_lappy | lala |
| 08:16.05 | xbmodder_lappy | Wish me luck |
| 08:16.18 | xbmodder_lappy | converting my whole media tree to Ogg |
| 08:21.46 | RyanE_ | yeah, good luck with that. |
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| 11:18.32 | bonez39 | anyone up at this hour? |
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| 13:33.15 | SpecialZ | ~lart 7AM finals with Great Larting!!! |
| 13:44.23 | SpecialZ | ~lart 7AM finals 'til they never rear their ugly face agin! |
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| 14:17.50 | mheath | agh |
| 14:17.54 | mheath | I feel so horrible |
| 14:18.06 | mheath | I had a big row with my dad about school yesterday, though....he figures I'm faking |
| 14:18.11 | mheath | I've been throwing up all morning |
| 14:18.33 | mheath | Plus my sleep schedule managed to get really messed up yesterday, so I'm now going to be really tired and really sick for work tonight |
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| 16:37.39 | harleypig | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000560072062/ |
| 16:37.42 | brac | [iubi PMP2010 100GB PMP - Engadget - www.engadget.com] |
| 16:40.06 | Hhhhh | would it be useful to have a machine with some games (ut2k4, doom 3, quake4, etc) at the BYU UUG booth at the beginning of next semester? |
| 16:41.17 | Hhhhh | I mean, two questions: would it be useful to have games? and, would it be unappropriate to have non-OSS games in it? |
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| 16:50.42 | graphyx | Hhhhh: I don't think there is any problem about having non OSS games. |
| 16:50.50 | graphyx | Just don't overpromise. |
| 16:51.08 | graphyx | You know if it takes you 10 hours to tweak your system to play just one game then it probably isn't a fair representation. |
| 16:51.22 | graphyx | If is takes you 10 hours to tweak you system to play all the games then it is ok. |
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| 16:55.40 | Hhhhh | graphyx, besides asking around in IRC, it takes about the same time to install them in windows |
| 16:55.54 | Hhhhh | for m at least, it did take me a while to find out all the details though |
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| 17:27.07 | sjansen | You know, it's really impressive how much software SUSE ships. |
| 17:27.28 | sjansen | I think the most impressive part is how much of it is softare I don't want, and how much of it isn't software I want. |
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| 17:42.56 | xbmodder-treo | even though I am going to guess your going to call this idea idiotic but: imagine having a tld that is not admistered by icann, then you just get everyone to use a nameserver with the new tlds listed? |
| 17:43.28 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder-treo: are you on your treo? |
| 17:43.58 | xbmodder-treo | yeah |
| 17:44.21 | xbmodder-treo | your going to use some buffer-overflow exploit to kick me off? |
| 17:45.32 | Hhhhh | man, I'm loving suse 10 |
| 17:45.53 | Hhhhh | I switched from fc4 to suse 10, fc4 is great but suse 10 is just purrty |
| 17:46.45 | xbmodder-treo | suse is appealing to mant |
| 17:46.45 | xbmodder-treo | many |
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| 17:48.55 | xbmodder-treo | hi dna3e8 sup? |
| 17:49.40 | dna3e8 | not much.... playing with my headless... |
| 17:50.17 | dna3e8 | do you know how to tell linux to wait 30sec before excacuting a command |
| 17:50.29 | dna3e8 | MAC os X uses after |
| 17:50.38 | dna3e8 | btw how are oyu today |
| 17:50.59 | xbmodder-treo | sleep 30 && command |
| 17:51.29 | xbmodder-treo | bored. my open-source project's members are idiots... I don't like idiots. |
| 17:51.57 | dna3e8 | idiots are usually less to no fun |
| 17:52.25 | xbmodder-treo | and windows users :( |
| 17:52.53 | dna3e8 | Not a good combination ! |
| 17:53.53 | dna3e8 | are you and all linux or do you have a mac |
| 17:54.19 | xbmodder-treo | what are you doing with you headless box? |
| 17:54.22 | xbmodder-treo | all linux |
| 17:54.29 | xbmodder-treo | I can't afford mac. |
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| 17:54.47 | dna3e8 | learning command line |
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| 17:55.39 | xbmodder-treo | ill be a remote sysadmin/tutor for a mac :) |
| 17:55.51 | dna3e8 | for productivity I have a mac mini..... for devlopment I have a cheap linux box, can't afford a monitor |
| 17:55.54 | xbmodder-treo | I want one of those 'snazzy' g3 blue ones. |
| 17:56.16 | findlay | what is the simplest way to count lines on a file from the beginning of the file until a certain string? |
| 17:56.21 | Hhhhh | xbmodder-treo, my bro has one, he might be willing to sell |
| 17:57.01 | dna3e8 | Finday: I am new... But a search in emacs would tell you. |
| 17:57.10 | xbmodder-treo | hhhhh, ill hit you up when m home, cool. |
| 17:57.31 | findlay | dna3e8: needs to be scriptable on the command line, like with sed or something |
| 17:57.56 | dna3e8 | not that expereanced.. |
| 18:00.15 | xbmodder-treo | hm |
| 18:01.51 | xbmodder-treo | brb |
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| 18:05.47 | findlay | ~distract jsmith-mtg from his meeting |
| 18:05.50 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past jsmith-mtg from his meeting. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 18:06.21 | findlay | wow, didn't know that would yield anything |
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| 18:11.04 | tensai | ~find LWP/Simple.pm |
| 18:11.14 | harleypig | ~distract harleypig |
| 18:11.16 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past harleypig. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 18:11.28 | harleypig | Ah |
| 18:11.36 | harleypig | so it's not a random collection of sayings. |
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| 18:21.03 | jlp_work | findlay: cat -n file | grep string | awk '{print $1}' |
| 18:23.27 | jlp_work | and either head -1 or tail -1 depending on if you want the line number of the first or last match |
| 18:26.53 | jlp_work | here's an easier way: sed -ne '/string/=' file (again, either head -1 or tail -1 for first or last match) |
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| 18:28.18 | tensai | ~nickometer dna3e8 |
| 18:28.56 | dna3e8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.52 | dna3e8 | well just go home then and don't talk to me |
| 18:29.59 | dna3e8 | humph |
| 18:30.27 | tensai | dna3e8: it just measures how l33t-speakish your nick is |
| 18:31.34 | Hhhhh | ~nickometer hhhhh |
| 18:31.39 | Hhhhh | lol |
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| 18:31.49 | Hhhhh | ~nickometer tensai |
| 18:31.58 | Hhhhh | ~nickometer ibot |
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| 18:32.10 | Hhhhh | ~nickometer 98798789789 |
| 18:32.16 | Hhhhh | pff |
| 18:32.54 | dna3e8 | he dosn't know 3e8 is non lame since it is the speed of light!! syco ibto |
| 18:33.08 | dna3e8 | ~psycho ibot |
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| 18:37.46 | tensai | ~tackle elg |
| 18:37.47 | ibot | ACTION tackles elg to the ground. |
| 18:38.11 | dna3e8 | ~larck Hhhhh |
| 18:39.02 | elg | ~cook tensai |
| 18:39.04 | ibot | ACTION throws tensai in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks tensai on 350 for an hour |
| 18:39.19 | dna3e8 | lol |
| 18:40.32 | elg | well I did it. I organized my music |
| 18:40.51 | tensai | elg: good, now you can start on mine |
| 18:40.56 | elg | I fixed tags, renamed files, imposed order, and deleted stuff I hate |
| 18:41.19 | elg | to a degree, anyhow. ;-) |
| 18:42.40 | harleypig | ~nickometer harleypig |
| 18:42.49 | harleypig | cool |
| 18:46.36 | teh1337d00d | ~nickometer teh1337d00d |
| 18:47.21 | findlay | ~nickometer asdfq9374ytqp54tg |
| 18:47.44 | findlay | ~nickometer q1w2e3r4t5y6u7i8o9p0 |
| 18:47.51 | findlay | almost |
| 18:47.54 | me|20x0|25-OMG | ~nickometer me|20x0|25-OMG |
| 18:48.00 | me|20x0|25-OMG | ha! |
| 18:48.02 | tensai | FYI, you'll never get 100% |
| 18:48.04 | findlay | ~nickometer q1w2e3r4t5y6u7i8o9p0)(*&^%$#@! |
| 18:48.16 | Hhhhh | darn it you're close |
| 18:48.27 | tensai | also, you don't have to change your nick to run nickometer |
| 18:48.35 | findlay | ~nickometer 1234567890)(*&^%$#@! |
| 18:49.08 | jlp_work | I went through this exercise a while back, you can't get 100% |
| 18:49.14 | elg | can you get 5 nines? |
| 18:49.20 | findlay | jlp_work: thanks |
| 18:49.39 | jlp_work | findlay, use the second solution (the one with sed), it's better |
| 18:49.45 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:50.00 | jlp_work | I think I was able to get five nines... have to go look at my old logs |
| 18:55.28 | sjansen | ~hug firefox 1.5 |
| 18:55.29 | ibot | ACTION hugs firefox 1.5 |
| 18:57.07 | sjansen | ~praise elg's topic for #urug |
| 18:57.08 | ibot | All hail elg's topic for #urug! |
| 18:58.53 | Bradipo | ~nickometer Lishindaracilleoss |
| 18:59.24 | mrpull- | ~trash software raid |
| 19:10.11 | dna3e8 | how do you stop and restart a network interface (script /cmd line style) |
| 19:10.43 | Bradipo | dna3e8: Depends on the OS... |
| 19:11.03 | tensai | dna3e8: debian would be ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 19:12.47 | dna3e8 | Suse |
| 19:14.06 | findlay | redhad is 'service network restart'. Suse might be simmilar |
| 19:14.26 | dna3e8 | oops for got the space ifdown eth1 ; ifupeth1 now my shh is not working :( |
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| 19:16.47 | findlay | good morning TimRiker |
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| 19:25.41 | TimRiker | moin |
| 19:29.53 | sjansen | TimRiker: kwiki |
| 19:37.57 | TimRiker | sjansen: twiki |
| 19:57.36 | sjansen | Looks like SL10.0 doesn't include gvim. That could be a deal breaker. |
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| 20:23.22 | harleypig | http://www.freegiftworld.com/gift.html?nopop=1&ADTGID=8393&xid=0&CID=47024&KWID=suse%20linux&SID=KE1613581 |
| 20:23.23 | brac | [FREEgiftworld.com - Free Gift!!!] |
| 20:23.30 | harleypig | Free SUSE! |
| 20:29.43 | ECS | Aren't they up to version 10 ? |
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| 20:31.21 | synic | harleypig: oh brother. |
| 20:31.41 | goozbach | sjansen: it's not my fault you suffered this weekend |
| 20:31.54 | goozbach | I have not the disk you seek |
| 20:33.13 | elg | ~rlart |
| 20:33.18 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 20:56.31 | harleypig | http://www.elephantstaircase.com/wiki/index.php?title=IceShotGlasses |
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| 21:18.32 | elg | http://www.cafeaulait.org/oldnews/news2005December7.html |
| 21:18.38 | elg | which remote would _you_ rather use? |
| 21:18.47 | harleypig | http://www.onebitmusic.com/ |
| 21:20.12 | elg | what the heck is one-bit music? |
| 21:20.45 | harleypig | Take a look ... |
| 21:20.52 | elg | I did. I still don't get it |
| 21:21.04 | harleypig | pretty interesting concept ... the guy takes jewel cases and puts a song on them. |
| 21:21.06 | elg | I get that it's a little chip playing music in a jewel case. cool. but what is 1-bit music? |
| 21:21.29 | sjansen | sounds to me like lots of chirping |
| 21:21.39 | sjansen | probably frantic chirping |
| 21:21.41 | harleypig | oh ... I didn't even notice that ... dunno. |
| 21:21.52 | elg | probably |
| 21:22.04 | elg | or some kind of granular synthesis |
| 21:22.17 | harleypig | oh ... 1 bit music appears to be a nick name for electronic music. |
| 21:22.29 | sjansen | a genre of electronic music |
| 21:23.09 | sjansen | I find it interesting that Java users never felt a need to attack Perl or Python. Ruby's got 'em scared. |
| 21:23.46 | harleypig | sjansen: Huh? Java programmers are always attacking perl. I don't know (or care) about any of the other languages. |
| 21:24.27 | elg | sjansen: the funny thing is that he sincerely believes that building on top of a minimalist List implementation is a good thing. Yet somehow he'd not agree that everyone should build their own linked lists in C, I reckon. |
| 21:24.30 | sjansen | Oh, are they? Guess I hadn't noticed... So Java programmers are just generally insecure. Can't say I blame them. |
| 21:25.01 | elg | I know a lot of people would _think_ they'd prefer that middle remote |
| 21:25.37 | sjansen | He is right, though. Some of the Ruby classes are insane. Need to be pared down. |
| 21:26.17 | elg | I don't know. Maybe the documentation just needs to be split out into "stuff you really need to know" and "convenience methods" |
| 21:26.24 | sjansen | And if I were going to attack any core Ruby class I'd probably pick Array first. It's got some stupid methods that encourage buts. Mostly related to element replacement. |
| 21:26.47 | sjansen | s/buts/bugs/ |
| 21:26.59 | elg | for more on the monkey knife fight, see here http://farm.tucows.com/blog/_archives/2005/12/9/1443435.html |
| 21:28.23 | elg | sjansen: could be, I tend to steer clear of slicing and replacement when i can |
| 21:29.28 | elg | i think I use push, pop, map, and select more than anything with arrays |
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| 21:45.21 | mheath | ~lart mheath's computer science teacher |
| 21:45.47 | mheath | He gave me a really, really complex thing, because he complety underestimated it's complexity |
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| 21:52.37 | sjansen | That's when you ask questions for "clarification" to help him realize its complexity. |
| 21:53.05 | sjansen | And even if he doesn't realize its complexity, you'll gradually find out what he's really looking for and be able to do that instead. |
| 22:12.45 | sjansen | ~hug lvm |
| 22:12.46 | ibot | ACTION hugs lvm |
| 22:28.04 | maquis | ~praise never having to use scheme again (hopefully) |
| 22:28.06 | ibot | All hail never having to use scheme again (hopefully)! |
| 22:29.23 | jsmith | maquis: Now there's something worth praising! (I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying it, but oh well...) |
| 22:35.19 | elg | levi's gone, we're safe |
| 22:37.24 | sjansen | Not flamed, pitied. |
| 22:39.07 | jsmith | :-) |
| 22:40.17 | mheath | I have to make a java class that has math related to orbital physics >.> |
| 22:40.21 | mheath | *that does math |
| 22:40.56 | maquis | jsmith: yeah... as long as i pass, i shouldn't ever have to touch it again |
| 22:41.55 | mheath | My combat boots |
| 22:42.23 | jlp_work | mheath: wear them a lot before you go, you don't want to be breaking them in while marching |
| 22:42.41 | jsmith | maquis: I passed more tests that way... |
| 22:42.58 | maquis | jsmith: yeah |
| 22:43.14 | mheath | jlp_work: Yep, I know. |
| 22:43.19 | jsmith | maquis: I'd always write answers like "I'm not sure what you're asking here, but the gist of what you were wanting to know is that foo = bar, under conditions x, y, and z. |
| 22:43.20 | mheath | Ugh |
| 22:43.56 | mheath | And those were *shoes* |
| 22:44.25 | maquis | jsmith: we had to determine if something was evaluated left-to-right, right-to-left, other, or indeterminate... |
| 22:44.32 | maquis | i ended up saying it was indeterminate |
| 22:44.40 | maquis | i certainly couldn't determine which way it was doing it |
| 22:45.13 | mheath | My training is two weeks from today! :) |
| 22:47.06 | jlp_work | mheath: and stay away from corfam shoes if you're going to marching a lot... they're fine for the office, but too hot to wear on the parade ground. stick with leather |
| 22:47.30 | jlp_work | s/going to marching/going to be marching/ (duh) |
| 22:48.22 | mheath | Plus you ruin them if you scratch them up. |
| 22:48.31 | mheath | This I know, jlp_work. Thanks :) |
| 22:49.17 | mheath | I won't be doing much marching at this training |
| 22:49.29 | mheath | Just get-us-there marching, mainly |
| 22:50.30 | jlp_work | that's less hassle. I always hated formation stuff... march a mile or so to where we had a big field, then pass in review, then stand around while people talked, then march back to barracks. ugh |
| 22:51.18 | mheath | jlp_work: What branch were you in? |
| 22:53.07 | jlp_work | USAF (reserves, ROTC, did a one-month field training, disenrolled from the program before commissioning due to grahm/rudman restrictions on incoming second lieutenants... I couldn't afford to wait a year and a half to go on active duty and could bail with no strings attached) |
| 22:53.46 | jlp_work | had my assignment and everything (it was about a week before commissioning when they told us about the budget cuts that affected us. I'm glad they didn't wait) |
| 22:54.30 | maquis | ooh... |
| 22:54.33 | maquis | that sounds cool |
| 22:54.37 | maquis | big red button! |
| 22:54.41 | jlp_work | boring, mostly :-) |
| 22:54.58 | maquis | but you get the big red button! |
| 22:55.34 | jlp_work | my master plan was to get my MBA while pulling alerts (correspondance courses), then move into training or go to europe to work on GLCM (which got cancelled due to treaty limitations, so that would have been a bad plan :-) |
| 22:55.43 | mheath | My dad is retired USAF |
| 22:55.51 | jlp_work | big shiney key and knob, actually, maquis |
| 22:56.24 | jlp_work | I did get to run the simulator a few times at FT, which was kind of cool... of course, I'd done it before having grown up on a missile base |
| 22:56.57 | maquis | jlp_work: ooh... that's cool |
| 22:57.03 | jlp_work | it was fun the first time during FT when I knew where all the switches and such were already... surprised the training officer a little |
| 22:57.16 | jlp_work | (the most important button was the "alarm silence" button :-) |
| 22:57.32 | jlp_work | you'd be surprised how many alarms go off when you're trying to start a nuclear war! |
| 22:58.06 | maquis | haha |
| 22:58.16 | maquis | but you can silence them all with just 1 button? |
| 22:58.46 | jlp_work | yeah, hit the button and it shuts up... until the next alarm sounds, then you have to hit it again |
| 22:59.01 | mheath | Though, our idea of field training is apparently a bit different than yours :) |
| 22:59.55 | mheath | jlp_work: How are you supposed to blouse the BDU pants over the boots? |
| 23:00.25 | mheath | They're not a typical uniform item for us. |
| 23:06.41 | jlp_work | mheath: we had these things called "blousing bands" which were little elastic band gizmos with hooks on each end. you'd wrap them around your boots and tuck the pant legs under them |
| 23:07.39 | jlp_work | our field training was live in a barracks for a month and go on tours, class room study, etc., PT in the morning, march to meals at the chow hall, etc. |
| 23:08.36 | jlp_work | we did have some cool things, though... survival training (3 days in the wilds with a survival school instructor to learn how to live while waiting for a pickup) and the joy ride (flying a T-37, still one of the coolest things I've ever done) |
| 23:09.05 | mheath | Our field trainig is a tactical field combat training |
| 23:09.23 | mheath | Part of it is barracks and classroom instruction, part is a simulated affair in the field. |
| 23:10.11 | jlp_work | got a helicopter orientation and ride, flew on a C-130 to Mesa AZ (for the T-37 ride), got to see the west coast space shuttle launch facility while it was under construction (it has never bene used to my knowledge), got to see an MX launch |
| 23:10.57 | jlp_work | your training sounds like it will be pretty cool, though. actual in the field stuff. we never did any combat training |
| 23:11.35 | jlp_work | the T-37 orientation was pretty neat. had to have egress and survival training first, of course (what to do if the pilot says "bail out bail out bail out") |
| 23:15.07 | sjansen | jlp_work: which bases did you live on? |
| 23:15.19 | sjansen | Or, more specifically, even spend time in ND? |
| 23:17.52 | jlp_work | sjansen: we moved around a bit, but ended up in Montana (Malmstrom AFB near Great Falls). I've been through ND enough times to be familiar with it, though :-) |
| 23:18.28 | jlp_work | my dad was enlisted USAF, worked with ECM for years (electronic counter-measures) |
| 23:19.07 | jlp_work | he taught electronics at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS, then we moved to Duluth MN, then Westover AFB near Springfield MA, and finally to Malmstrom |
| 23:19.53 | jlp_work | we liked it in Montana, so when they were shutting my dad's unit down, he cross-trained to personell and switched units... then switched units again when the 24th NORAD was being shut down |
| 23:20.25 | jlp_work | eventually retired there and got into civil service, and now my parents live in Delaware. you move around a bit when you work for uncle sugar :-) |
| 23:21.11 | jlp_work | when I was putting in for assignments, I actually selected Grand Forks ND as my primary choice and Great Falls as my secondary, got the assignment to Great Falls (essentially my home town) |
| 23:26.37 | mheath | ECM...like what? |
| 23:27.01 | mheath | My dad worked on a lot of stuff for Reagam |
| 23:27.04 | mheath | Reagan's Star Wars |
| 23:27.29 | mheath | He also did design of computer guidance systems for missiles |
| 23:27.32 | mheath | Among other things |
| 23:28.19 | jlp_work | well, one system he was able to tell me about was for confusing a particular missile. this missile had a terrain aviodance feature that consisted of two radars, one pointed forwards, and one pointed at about a 30 degree angle down and forwards |
| 23:29.14 | jlp_work | the idea was that if something was in the missile's way (like a mountain) the forward facing radar would see it and the missile would pitch up until the forward radar didn't see it and the angled radar did, then it would fly in that direction (up) until the angled radar didn't see the obstacle any more |
| 23:30.08 | jlp_work | then it would pitch back down, having flown over the obstacle. the counter measure was to convince the angled radar that it always saw an obstacle (by actively sending it something that looked like it's own echo signature). it would continue to climb until it ran out of fuel |
| 23:30.26 | jlp_work | there were a lot of different systems that he couldn't tell me about :-)... that one was one he worked on back in the 50's |
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| 23:58.03 | maquis | what blog software do people use? |