| 00:07.43 | maquis | so... my friend needs to import a tab-delimited file into mysql... |
| 00:07.58 | maquis | is there an easy way to do this? she has phpmyadmin |
| 00:08.41 | findlay | maquis: you could always do it by hand |
| 00:08.57 | maquis | findlay: easy way... |
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| 01:00.26 | maquis | Newsome: who decided that the labs should all be closed on reading days, and where can i find them alone in a dark alleyway? |
| 01:08.18 | tensai | maquis: pong |
| 01:08.44 | tensai | maquis: that's what happens when you download a bunch of files at once with no QoS |
| 01:12.18 | maquis | tensai: ah.. |
| 01:12.21 | maquis | that's nice to know |
| 01:15.17 | Newsome | maquis: long-standing tradition, nobody is there to monitor the labs, and University policy |
| 01:15.22 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, the stage1 installs just aren't placed in the handbook anymore. stage1/2 installs are still supported, just not publicized. |
| 01:15.45 | tensai | Newsome: eat some for me! |
| 01:15.50 | maquis | Newsome: why do we need to have someone to monitor the labs? |
| 01:15.50 | Newsome | okay!!! |
| 01:16.01 | maquis | Newsome: the caedm lab doesn't need people monitoring.. |
| 01:16.12 | maquis | and we're not going to go around smashing computers |
| 01:16.16 | Newsome | maquis: so you don't steal our keyboards and mice |
| 01:16.24 | maquis | i just wanted to be able to seclude myself in there and print all day |
| 01:16.42 | tensai | ... and steal keyboards and mice |
| 01:16.49 | maquis | tensai: umm... sure |
| 01:17.35 | maquis | tensai: because they have such nice keyboards and mice..... |
| 01:17.59 | tensai | that get caressed by 100 people every day |
| 01:18.57 | maquis | tensai: ummm... yup |
| 01:22.52 | fishyfire | i used the caedm today and even left the keyboard and mouse |
| 01:23.33 | maquis | fishyfire: why'd you leave those? |
| 01:24.05 | fishyfire | why would i take them? |
| 01:26.07 | maquis | because... obviously that's what people do id the lab watch aren't there |
| 01:26.48 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 01:27.13 | fishyfire | hmm maybe that's why the caedm labs are still open and the cs ones aren't.... |
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| 02:32.45 | tensai | ibot: ping |
| 02:32.47 | ibot | pong |
| 02:32.52 | tensai | ibot: thank you |
| 02:32.52 | ibot | de rien, tensai |
| 02:34.42 | tensai | ibot: you're a sweetie |
| 02:34.43 | ibot | tensai: oh stop, you tease |
| 02:47.54 | maquis | tensai: you're married |
| 02:48.17 | maquis | ibot: gender |
| 02:48.18 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 02:48.28 | tensai | maquis: nothing to worry about then |
| 02:48.35 | maquis | tensai: :) |
| 02:48.53 | maquis | tensai: what were you downloading earlier? |
| 02:49.06 | tensai | maquis: some files from work |
| 02:49.23 | maquis | ah |
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| 02:53.32 | elg | maquis: isn't that just a variation on "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" (the downloading question, from the perspective of the RIAA) |
| 02:56.27 | tensai | who's up for a complicated linux routing question? |
| 02:56.34 | tensai | elg: I'm looking at you |
| 03:07.18 | elg | i'm here for ya bud |
| 03:07.28 | elg | my wife won't let me even think about watching that movie. she thinks it's creepy |
| 03:07.59 | elg | but it's fun to tease herabout it - is it on broadcast tv? |
| 03:14.25 | tensai | elg: yeah. not sure what channel though. and I can't check since I'm out of the room now. |
| 03:14.57 | tensai | so here's my routing problem. my openwrt box, alberto, has two interfaces. vlan1 is the internet and br0 is the lan. |
| 03:15.51 | tensai | vlan1 is 10.42.41.2/24, br0 is 199.104.112.190/29. it's default gateway is 10.42.41.1 which is an actiontec. I couldn't get transparent bridging to work so that was my solution. |
| 03:17.02 | tensai | people behind alberto can get to the internet, as evidenced my maquis and myself being here. but alberto can't get out because by defualt his packets go out with source 10.42.41.2, which obviously doesn't do any good. |
| 03:17.40 | elg | maquis is in idaho? |
| 03:17.43 | tensai | I'm trying to get alberto to use his public IP as the default address but it doesn't seem to work |
| 03:17.59 | tensai | elg: /whois maquis |
| 03:18.20 | tensai | she uses irssi from my server |
| 03:19.10 | elg | ah |
| 03:22.40 | tensai | I tried ip route add x.x via 10.42.41.1 src 199.104.112.190 |
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| 03:23.05 | tensai | and the packets seemt to leave the box right, but I get no response nor do I see any packets arrive on the remote end |
| 03:23.30 | tensai | but if I take that out I see the packets on the remote with src ip 10.42.41.2, the remote just can't respond |
| 03:23.34 | tensai | any ideas? |
| 03:23.47 | maquis | elg: haha |
| 03:24.05 | elg | so you are natting with the wrt but the wrt isn't natting itself, basically? |
| 03:24.15 | tensai | no nat |
| 03:24.27 | tensai | everybody has at least one public ip |
| 03:24.40 | elg | 10. isn't a public ip |
| 03:24.46 | tensai | the link between hilde (the actiontec) and alberto is done via 1918 addresses |
| 03:24.50 | elg | ah, I see |
| 03:24.54 | tensai | each has a public ip on its "other" interface |
| 03:25.32 | tensai | same exact setup I have on my T1 at work (which is where I got the idea). that's using a cisco router though. |
| 03:25.44 | elg | i don't get the bit about no transparent bridging then |
| 03:26.01 | elg | does the actiontec also have a public IP, along with everything else? |
| 03:26.21 | tensai | I tried to configure the actiontec for transparent bridging so the wrt would have two public addresses and the actiontec would have none |
| 03:26.35 | elg | but why? |
| 03:26.39 | tensai | actiontec has a public ip on its wan side |
| 03:26.51 | tensai | because the wrt support ipv6 and the craptiontec doesn't |
| 03:27.08 | elg | oh, ok. that's a valid reason I guess |
| 03:27.40 | tensai | also, I like to make things horribly complicated for myself :) |
| 03:27.45 | elg | ok, so the problem is that the default route is 10. whatever and so it goes out with the source set as 10.whatever |
| 03:28.23 | elg | i wonder if we couldn't somehow mess with the routing on the actiontec so that you didn't need 10. addresses anywhere except the actiontec |
| 03:28.59 | elg | actually maybe it would work now - the actiontec has to know to route those public IPs anyway, right? |
| 03:29.25 | tensai | if I trusted the actiontec even a little bit I might try mangling the packets there, but I can't do anything to the actiontec not supported by the official web interface. |
| 03:29.39 | elg | no need to mangle, I don't think |
| 03:29.46 | tensai | yeah, the actiontec knows how to route them |
| 03:29.51 | elg | try nuking the 10. address on the wrt |
| 03:29.56 | elg | so it only has the public ip |
| 03:30.16 | elg | but still a default gateway of 10. whatever, with a route for 10. out of dev eth0 |
| 03:30.56 | elg | e.g. |
| 03:30.56 | elg | ip route add 10.actiontec dev eth0 |
| 03:30.56 | tensai | you can't add routes via an address that isn't directly connected |
| 03:30.57 | elg | ip route change default via 10.actiontec |
| 03:31.17 | elg | not directly connected? |
| 03:31.21 | tensai | I don't think I get it then |
| 03:32.00 | elg | maybe I don't understand the physical topology |
| 03:32.34 | tensai | ip addr del dev vlan1 10.42.41.2; ip route add 10.42.41.0/24 dev vlan1; ip route change default via 10.42.41.1; ? |
| 03:33.16 | elg | let's talk physical layout first |
| 03:34.02 | elg | when I was spouting out ideas, I had a single ethernet in mind, but I think you have at least two physical subnets |
| 03:34.32 | tensai | DSL -> (198.60.98.115) actiontec (10.42.41.1) -> (10.42.41.2) wrt (199.104.112.190) -> rest of lan |
| 03:34.52 | tensai | yes. actiontec and wrt are connected with a crossover |
| 03:34.52 | elg | and lan all have public IPs? |
| 03:35.03 | tensai | yeah, entire lan has public IPs |
| 03:35.12 | elg | how about sticking the actiontec in the lan? |
| 03:35.43 | elg | does that raise hair on your neck security-wise? |
| 03:36.28 | tensai | it does seem wrong, but we're not talking about fort knox here |
| 03:36.32 | elg | (everyone's default route would still be the wrt, except the wrt of course) |
| 03:36.59 | elg | well, pulling those public IPs out of space and time seems kind of warped too. ;-) |
| 03:37.22 | tensai | pulling them out of space and time? |
| 03:37.27 | elg | but kind of cool, granted. |
| 03:37.45 | elg | you've separated them from the rest of the internet with a 10 subnet. |
| 03:38.24 | elg | not all that weird, but I guess I haven't seen it before. that's the beauty of networking, just when you thought you'd seen it all |
| 03:38.48 | elg | which I actually didn't think, but I thought I'd seen quite a bit |
| 03:38.56 | tensai | I wouldn't have thought of it myself. seemed kind of clever to me. nice way to save a /30. |
| 03:39.18 | elg | I still don't see what we're saving though |
| 03:39.33 | elg | everyone still has a public ip, no? |
| 03:41.01 | tensai | I guess it would work and I can't think of any good reasons why not. just doesn't seem the the Right Way(tm). |
| 03:41.03 | elg | run by me one more time what the goals are. |
| 03:41.33 | elg | the overall goals of your whole network |
| 03:41.49 | elg | e.g. you want the wrt to be the router because it does ipv6, etc. |
| 03:42.30 | tensai | everything was fine until I wanted ipv6. the wrt does that so I tossed it in the mix. |
| 03:43.02 | tensai | and it's working great, btw. but to get a public ipv6 address I need a tunnel broker, which requires internet connectivity. |
| 03:43.18 | elg | it would be handy to get ipv6 without internet |
| 03:43.27 | elg | that'd speed up its adoption, I think. ;-) |
| 03:43.44 | tensai | I guess that's what I have right now. fec0:0:0:4242::/64 |
| 03:44.25 | tensai | fec0::/10 is site-local, so it's not globably routable |
| 03:45.07 | elg | well I was implying if I could get the ipv6 internet without an internet connection, that'd be a neat trick. |
| 03:45.10 | elg | yuk yuk |
| 03:45.25 | tensai | har har |
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| 03:45.59 | elg | ok, here's what I'd do. Forget the 10 subnet (the actiontec will still have one, but nobody else will unless you want some non-public boxes on the lan) |
| 03:46.38 | elg | so you have one network segment |
| 03:46.46 | elg | everyone including the actiontec plugged into the wrt |
| 03:47.20 | elg | the wrt knows that 10 is out that interface too (you're sharing two subnets on the same segment. it's wierd but it works fine) |
| 03:47.27 | tensai | won't my laptop detect that the actiontec is on the same subnet and just skirt around the wrt then? I've seen that happen before. |
| 03:47.42 | elg | detect? shouldn't unless you mean dhcp |
| 03:47.48 | elg | turn off dhcp on the actiontec |
| 03:48.03 | tensai | it is. there's an icmp for router redirects. |
| 03:48.22 | elg | might have to find a way to turn that off in that case |
| 03:48.48 | tensai | grr. why can't the actiontec just not suck? |
| 03:49.39 | elg | I've done something similar to this where the router was a netscreen appliance and haven't seen any router redirecting |
| 03:50.06 | maquis | question... |
| 03:50.18 | elg | so it might just be something that has to be addressed on the wrt. If you're sure you've seen it, then this puts it about on par with figuring out how to get the wrt to send with the correct source address |
| 03:50.25 | elg | (which might be easiest with iptables) |
| 03:50.34 | maquis | od i have to do something to tell lpr that i want it to print in landscape mode instead of portrait? |
| 03:50.59 | tensai | I saw it with a cisco router, so maybe it would happen in this case |
| 03:51.03 | elg | I wonder if you'd have the same problem if you just bridged the two interfaces on the wrt |
| 03:51.17 | elg | tensai: or maybe it would take special configuration to get linux to send them |
| 03:51.34 | maquis | because... when i try to print something in landscape, it gets through part of a line, and then the printer just hangs... |
| 03:51.42 | tensai | that was my next thought. but then I lose the ability to filter, wouldn't I? |
| 03:51.44 | elg | might be worth a try anyway, the setup isn't hard, just a couple routes on the wrt and moving a cable |
| 03:51.48 | maquis | and i have to unplug the printer, delete it from both machines, plug it in, and then add it again |
| 03:52.00 | maquis | (oh... and kill the job someplace in there) |
| 03:52.20 | elg | print what in landscape? |
| 03:52.45 | elg | lose the ability to filter if you bridge the interfaces? I don't think so |
| 03:53.01 | elg | logically the same as if you had the actiontec on the lan |
| 03:53.17 | elg | so long as everyone goes through the wrt, it can play whatever routing/iptables games it wants |
| 03:53.35 | elg | (including the actiontec routing back through the wrt) |
| 03:53.40 | tensai | so I bridge br0 and vlan1 together into br1. I could still filter inbound packets on vlan1 and br0? |
| 03:54.09 | elg | you're right, you couldn't filter based on interface if that's what you're doing |
| 03:54.19 | elg | but you could still filter |
| 03:54.56 | tensai | maybe I'll just give up and beg for a /30 |
| 03:55.07 | elg | why do you need a 30? |
| 03:55.29 | tensai | to put two IPs on the actiontec and wrt |
| 03:55.43 | elg | oh. |
| 03:55.45 | maquis | ~lart printers |
| 03:56.07 | elg | give the one-segment approach a try first |
| 03:57.21 | elg | review: actionec routes your subnet through the wrt (by its public IP). the wrt routes everything through the actionec (by its public IP, and it knows how to route the actiontec's public IP through its 10. address) |
| 03:57.30 | elg | everyone else just has the wrt as a default route |
| 03:58.12 | elg | I think you'll find that works great. even if you get router redirect happening, your ipv6 should still work, right? |
| 03:59.04 | tensai | yeah, that's true. but what if maquis runs amok? |
| 03:59.09 | elg | also, if it makes you feel better, you could put a 10. address on the br0 interface too |
| 03:59.48 | tensai | I think I know where there's a /25 nobody is using and I could just "borrow"... |
| 04:00.27 | elg | oh right, firewalling. |
| 04:00.37 | elg | well naturally that's the nicer solution. :) |
| 04:01.20 | elg | ok, I change my mind, before trying the one-segment approach, try to mangle the egressing packets on the wrt with iptables |
| 04:01.31 | elg | since iproute2 seems to have failed you |
| 04:01.46 | elg | that way you know you still have your firewall |
| 04:01.59 | tensai | I'm noticing something weird, now. maybe this is the cause of all the problems. when I try to ssh to the wrt's public IP from off network I get nowhere. |
| 04:02.28 | elg | maybe try this: |
| 04:02.51 | elg | ip route default via (wrt's public IP) |
| 04:03.02 | elg | no, wiat |
| 04:04.40 | elg | default via actiontec still |
| 04:06.14 | elg | I have a route like this and it works for me: |
| 04:06.16 | elg | 172.16.59.0/24 via 166.70.4.104 dev ppp0 src 172.17.0.3 |
| 04:06.26 | elg | (different goal, but it does work) |
| 04:07.25 | elg | so try that. ip route x.x via actiontec dev vlan1 src publicip |
| 04:07.43 | elg | not sure what you had for x.x above, but whatever it was... |
| 04:08.01 | elg | or how about this: |
| 04:08.02 | tensai | I did exactly that and nothing. I'm thinking it's the actiontec doing something funny. |
| 04:08.21 | elg | you have nat off on the actiontec? |
| 04:08.26 | elg | I assume |
| 04:08.29 | tensai | yes |
| 04:08.48 | elg | can you paste the output of ip route on the wrt |
| 04:09.46 | tensai | 199.104.112.184/29 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 199.104.112.190 |
| 04:09.46 | tensai | 10.42.42.0/24 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 10.42.42.190 |
| 04:09.46 | tensai | 10.42.41.0/24 dev vlan1 proto kernel scope link src 10.42.41.2 |
| 04:09.46 | tensai | default via 10.42.41.1 dev vlan1 metric 1 |
| 04:10.28 | tensai | and the actiontec: |
| 04:10.32 | tensai | 198.60.98.254 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 04:10.32 | tensai | 199.104.112.184 10.42.41.2 255.255.255.252 UG 0 0 0 br0 |
| 04:10.32 | tensai | 10.42.41.0 10.42.41.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 br0 |
| 04:10.32 | tensai | 10.42.41.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 04:10.32 | tensai | 239.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 04:10.33 | tensai | 0.0.0.0 198.60.98.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 04:10.47 | tensai | it doesn't have iproute2 :( |
| 04:11.18 | tensai | I can't ping 199.104.112.190 from the actiontec, but can ping the rest of the /29 subnet. that seems wrong to me. |
| 04:11.53 | elg | yeah |
| 04:12.25 | tensai | and I don't see anything in tcpdump on the wrt |
| 04:13.19 | elg | really? |
| 04:13.30 | tensai | yeah |
| 04:13.33 | tensai | ~lart actiontec |
| 04:13.35 | elg | that doesn't match its routing table, does it? |
| 04:13.47 | tensai | not at all. not an arp, not nothing. |
| 04:14.04 | elg | wierd |
| 04:14.10 | elg | maybe an actiontec reboot |
| 04:14.52 | tensai | I'm scared of actiontec reboots |
| 04:15.08 | elg | try adding a specific route then |
| 04:16.02 | tensai | # route add -host 199.104.112.190 gw 10.42.41.2 |
| 04:16.02 | tensai | # ping 199.104.112.190 |
| 04:16.02 | tensai | PING 199.104.112.190 (199.104.112.190): 56 data bytes |
| 04:16.02 | tensai | 64 bytes from 199.104.112.190: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=10.0 ms |
| 04:16.15 | tensai | elg: it worked!!! |
| 04:16.24 | elg | gotta love an actiontec |
| 04:16.32 | elg | doesn't solve the src address problem though |
| 04:16.40 | tensai | now to see if the iproute2 line works... |
| 04:16.59 | elg | watch it on tcpdump too |
| 04:17.11 | elg | you should see them going out with the src address set |
| 04:17.29 | elg | if that works, then great. if it doesn't I have another idea |
| 04:17.49 | tensai | it worked, it worked, it worked! |
| 04:18.10 | elg | what the heck, I'll spew out the other idea anyway. set the wrt's default route to the actiontec's public IP, then give the wrt a specific route to the actiontec's public IP via it's 10 address |
| 04:18.33 | tensai | it's a good thing the other idea worked because I tried that one already |
| 04:18.40 | elg | :) |
| 04:19.01 | tensai | that's what I mean when I say you can't add a route via an ip address that's not directly connected |
| 04:19.10 | elg | so the end result is, you would have figured it out yourself before this whole discussion if the actiontec wasn't disobeying its own routing tables. |
| 04:19.22 | tensai | since the actiontec's public ip isn't connected to the wrt, the route command fails |
| 04:19.34 | elg | i see |
| 04:20.00 | tensai | RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable |
| 04:20.09 | maquis | ~lart cs330 |
| 04:20.53 | tensai | I'm sure I know why the actiontec has issues routing to 199.104.112.190. before I added the wrt, that was its IP address. even though I've taken the IP off the actiontec I'm just sure it won't let go. |
| 04:21.31 | elg | but if you'd figured it out on your own, you wouldn't have had this enlightening discussion about thinking outside the box with me. ;-) |
| 04:22.00 | tensai | and actually, the original reason I added the 10.x route was because I couldn't restore the original config on the actiontec after the failed attempt at transparent bridging |
| 04:22.19 | tensai | it just wouldn't accept the same config it had before, even though I did a factory reset (many times) |
| 04:22.28 | elg | hehe |
| 04:22.30 | tensai | the darn things belong in a pile of steer manure |
| 04:22.39 | elg | acid |
| 04:22.41 | tensai | but the manure wouldn't have it :) |
| 04:23.24 | tensai | acid, manure, satan's armpit... they all just seem to good for the likes of actiontec |
| 04:25.27 | tensai | compare the gt701 and the wrt54g. both run linux. both are ~$60. both are designed for a simple audience. one steps up to the plate when asked to do more and one can't even handle the most basic of uses. it's rediculous. |
| 04:25.39 | tensai | why couldn't qwest have gotten linksys to be it's OEM? |
| 04:26.01 | tensai | ~spell rediculous |
| 04:26.17 | tensai | thought that looked funny |
| 04:26.59 | tensai | maquis: well, you can see why I recommend the wrt so much. it's a work of art. |
| 04:30.38 | elg | this is rich. palm's desktop software doesn't work with tiger, so I guess I'll have to do it in linux |
| 04:34.34 | tensai | elg: It's a Wonderful Life is on NBC, btw |
| 04:37.49 | elg | nevermind, they _do_ support osx, but they apparently forgot to update their main download page |
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| 05:09.41 | maquis | tensai: i like my wrt |
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| 05:41.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ah not good |
| 06:13.59 | mheath | ~lart internet stores |
| 06:14.09 | mheath | I've ordered stuff from two places |
| 06:14.28 | mheath | One, sent me the *wrong thing* on a small (one item) and simple order. Now, I might not have the correct item before I need it. |
| 06:14.47 | mheath | Two, I ordered it with plenty of time....Despite the fact that everything should have shipped within 2 days, it took them 2 *weeks* |
| 06:16.49 | xbmodder_lappy | ~harleypig |
| 06:16.51 | ibot | [harleypig] rumored to not be "all up there". Hagrid's stunt double, or a PITA! |
| 06:17.34 | findlay | ibot: harleypig is also the local RMS figure |
| 06:17.36 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 06:18.37 | findlay | ~xbmodder |
| 06:18.38 | ibot | i guess xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 06:19.01 | findlay | xbmodder lives in a pair of dice? |
| 06:20.06 | findlay | ~harleypig |
| 06:20.07 | ibot | from memory, harleypig is rumored to not be "all up there". Hagrid's stunt double, or a PITA!, or the local RMS figure |
| 06:22.11 | findlay | ~lart lag |
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| 06:59.57 | drfindley | hey what's the command to go from an open bracket to a close bracket in VI? |
| 07:02.21 | tensai | % |
| 07:02.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here know about bind and/or bind-dlz? |
| 07:04.35 | drfindley | thanks |
| 07:06.11 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here know about dynamically loaded DNS zones? |
| 07:08.24 | findlay | ~bind xbmodder_lappy |
| 07:28.25 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 07:28.30 | mheath | Zero-gravity sports. |
| 07:29.05 | mheath | If that actually exists sometime in my lifetime, my life will not have been wasted. |
| 07:35.09 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, that'd be fun.. Now all we need is a evil alien race, a cool space station, and Ender |
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| 07:36.00 | linuxalien | Hi people |
| 07:43.32 | findlay | linuxalien: you've been gone so long you seem alien now |
| 07:44.17 | linuxalien | hehehe Yeah, I've been messing with video games. :) |
| 07:45.02 | findlay | microgravity is pretty easy to attain |
| 07:45.35 | findlay | at least relative to artificially manipulating gravitational fields |
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| 15:35.48 | elg | sweet, they have church publications in plucker format now |
| 15:56.19 | maquis | plucker? |
| 15:56.45 | maquis | interesting |
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| 18:05.44 | mrpull | hey all |
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| 19:55.46 | maquis | mrpull-: hi |
| 19:55.56 | maquis | stuporglue: welcome :) |
| 19:56.26 | maquis | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/New_worm_targets_Linux_systems_s58473.html |
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| 20:14.29 | levi | Mmmm, 70% cocoa Lindt chocolate. |
| 20:15.17 | maquis | ~lart stupid airline security rules |
| 20:16.32 | maquis | "The Bush administration proposal is just asking the next Mohammed Atta to move from box cutters to scissors," said Rep. Markey. |
| 20:16.40 | maquis | how stupid do these people get? |
| 20:17.37 | levi | Pretty darn stupid. |
| 20:17.50 | levi | Let's hope we never discover the true depths. |
| 20:17.59 | maquis | i can probably do as much damage with a couple mechanical pencils as i could with a leatherman |
| 20:18.16 | maquis | definitely more than i could do with nail clippers or a nail file |
| 20:18.57 | maquis | Not according to Justin Green, an attorney representing the families of three crew members murdered on Sept. 11, two of whom were stabbed. "The terrorists used box cutters, knives and chemical weapons to take over the airplanes," responds Green. "They did not fashion weapons from snapped-off plastic or shattered bottles. On American Airlines Flight 11, two flight attendants and a passenger were stabbed with weapons that are similar in kind to the weapons |
| 20:19.10 | maquis | no... they didn't fashion weapons that way, but they could've if they'd wanted to |
| 20:21.09 | maquis | Flying was and remains exceptionally safe, but whether that's because or in spite of the system is tough to tell. |
| 21:05.18 | maquis | ~seen goozbach |
| 21:05.21 | ibot | goozbach <n=goozbach@207.108.175.219> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 21h 39m 43s ago, saying: 'anyone know the details of the admin job that was posted to PLUG recently?'. |
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| 21:05.57 | maquis | wow... |
| 21:06.03 | maquis | that's rather impressive |
| 21:06.49 | goozbach | what? |
| 21:06.54 | maquis | goozbach: did you know you were being talked about? |
| 21:07.01 | goozbach | no |
| 21:07.07 | maquis | i just asked ibot where you were |
| 21:07.10 | maquis | and then... you showed up |
| 21:07.19 | goozbach | church is boring |
| 21:07.23 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:07.25 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:07.43 | maquis | you probably don't get a christmas music program today... |
| 21:07.44 | goozbach | how long have I been gone? |
| 21:08.02 | maquis | ibot says almost 2 days, but that's since you talked last... let me scroll up and see when you disconnected |
| 21:08.40 | maquis | 19:09 -!- goozbach [n=goozbach@207.108.175.219] has quit [Read error: 113 (No |
| 21:08.40 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.55 | maquis | so... actually, ibot was pretty close |
| 21:09.25 | goozbach | hmm |
| 21:10.04 | maquis | er... |
| 21:10.11 | maquis | actually... ibot was off by almost exactly a day |
| 21:10.12 | maquis | or something |
| 21:11.33 | maquis | mheath: ping? |
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| 21:56.38 | levi | Ahh, the wacky programming environment guy went off the deep end again. |
| 21:57.03 | levi | He was almost making sense for a while, and now he's just parading his ignorance and misinformation. |
| 21:57.16 | levi | Not to mention paranoia. |
| 22:09.30 | mheath | maquis: pong |
| 22:16.05 | mheath | CERTIFICATE OF ADVANCEMENT: This is to Certify that Michael T. Heath Serving in The Great Salt Lake Division, United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps, has met all of the requirements for advancement to the rate of Seaman Apprentice (T). Advanced at Navy/Marine Corp Reserve Center, Salt Lake City, Ths the 8th Day of June 2005. Signed, LCDR Mary Lou Almaguer, NSCC, Comanding Officer. |
| 22:19.25 | mheath | United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps, Great Salt Lake Division, Certificate of Award - This is to certify that Seaman Apprentice Michael Heath, NSCC, has met all requirements for and is hereby awarded the RECRUITING DUTY "R" APPURTENANCE at Kaysville, Utah, this Eleventh Day of December, Two Thousand and Five. Signed, LCDR Mary Lou Almaguer, NSCC, Commanding Officer. |
| 22:20.56 | mheath | http://kepler.pratt.duke.edu/Ribbons/NSCC/rib1styr.gif + http://resources.seacadets.org/graphics/apr.jpg |
| 23:38.06 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here run a powerDNS server? |
