| 00:01.48 | harleypig | Oops ... I did it again ... I killed the convo |
| 00:01.50 | harleypig | o/~ |
| 00:05.58 | harleypig | :D |
| 00:16.03 | maquis | ooh... there goes the machine that goes around making sure that there's no traction on any of the sidewalks on campus! |
| 00:16.24 | Tene | KILL IT! |
| 00:25.13 | jlp_work | maquis: at MSU (Montana State University) they had this tractor with a big rotating brush on the front of it that they would polish the sidewalks with |
| 00:25.26 | jlp_work | we walked on the snow next to the sidewalks... much safer |
| 00:26.51 | maquis | jlp_work: yeah... this machine goes around and pushes away all the powdery snow to expose the ice underneath |
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| 00:59.49 | elg | stupid exam question |
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| 01:00.19 | elg | "construct a deterministic finite state automaton for the set {n|n = 1 mod 5} |
| 01:00.39 | elg | where n is a binary number (a string in {0,1}*) |
| 01:00.47 | elg | " |
| 01:01.29 | elg | that would be just dandy, if I knew group or number theory like the back of my hand |
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| 01:16.57 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, ? |
| 01:17.02 | xbmodder_lappy | you ok? |
| 01:17.17 | xbmodder_lappy | man screen |
| 01:17.34 | xbmodder_lappy | can someone set a ban? |
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| 01:24.08 | maquis | emcnabb: stop tracking in all the snow |
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| 01:24.47 | maquis | emcnabb: stop tracking in all the snow |
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| 01:35.53 | graphyx | emcnabb: CLOSE the door you are letting out all the heat!!! |
| 01:39.30 | graphyx | Anyone got Visual Studio handy? |
| 01:39.48 | graphyx | I have some code I need compiled on a windows box, but don't have the dev environment available currently. |
| 01:41.28 | byronc | graphyx: I do, but I have to grab dinner. can it wait 30 minutes? |
| 01:41.35 | graphyx | Yeah. |
| 01:41.39 | graphyx | That would be great. |
| 01:41.56 | graphyx | BE forewarned though it is exploit code for a server I am pen testing. |
| 01:42.05 | graphyx | so don't be surprised at the content. |
| 01:43.21 | levi | elg: I'm glad I don't have that exam! |
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| 01:44.24 | graphyx | xbmodder_lappy: I don't think anyone here would ever ban emcnabber. |
| 01:51.02 | maquis | graphyx: wow! you got him to stop! |
| 01:51.28 | graphyx | maquis: Emcnabb knows when to stop. |
| 01:51.30 | maquis | Newsome: you better watch out... people are already planning your memorial dinner... that's kinda scary |
| 01:51.33 | graphyx | he knows when to say when. |
| 01:51.53 | graphyx | Newsome: Something happen with SCO that I haven't noticed? |
| 01:52.04 | maquis | graphyx: you on uug or plug? |
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| 01:52.25 | Newsome | nothing new |
| 01:54.33 | graphyx | maquis: I am on plug, but I don't read it most of the time. Well to be honest I haven't read it in a month or two. |
| 01:54.43 | graphyx | Just chat in here. |
| 01:54.51 | maquis | graphyx: well.. you should read about the memorial dinner on saturday for Newsome |
| 01:55.07 | maquis | it sounds good... |
| 01:55.32 | graphyx | When was that digest sent out? |
| 01:55.44 | maquis | ummm... probably pretty recently |
| 01:55.58 | maquis | i'm not sure about the digests... but the emails have come out a couple times over the past week or so |
| 01:56.09 | maquis | Newsome: how's life going? |
| 01:56.16 | Newsome | haha. Jason is now saying that I must be eulogized... |
| 01:56.20 | Newsome | not bad |
| 01:56.30 | maquis | :) |
| 01:56.34 | maquis | i just saw that... |
| 01:56.46 | maquis | Newsome: is your elbow all better yet |
| 01:56.46 | maquis | ? |
| 01:57.45 | Newsome | not quite. I had an appointment with the orthopedic surgeon today, and he said to get some movement into my arm and come back in two weeks |
| 01:58.03 | maquis | ok.... that's sounding positive |
| 01:59.16 | Newsome | I got the results of the CT scan last week, but they weren't very helpful to me |
| 01:59.22 | graphyx | Newsome: What happened to your arm? |
| 01:59.43 | maquis | graphyx: you're really behind, ya'know... |
| 01:59.45 | maquis | :) |
| 02:00.09 | Newsome | here's what happened; |
| 02:00.29 | maquis | good use of the semicolon to end the story |
| 02:00.30 | Newsome | There is a comminuted fracture identified through the coronoid process of the left ulna. This is minimally displaced. A small ossific fragment is seen posteriorly just posterior to the proximal radioulnar |
| 02:00.30 | Newsome | joint. This probably represents a small loose fracture fragment. Another small fracture fragment is seen posterior to the lateral humeral epicondyle or posterior capitellum just superior to the radial head. This probably represents a small avulsion fracture. |
| 02:01.02 | Newsome | so, as you can clearly see... |
| 02:01.02 | maquis | it is seen posteriorly just posterior to the proximal radioulnar joint? |
| 02:01.18 | graphyx | I think he is throwing in words just to make it longer.. |
| 02:01.23 | Newsome | I fell and dislocated my elbow |
| 02:01.30 | graphyx | Sorry about that. |
| 02:01.38 | graphyx | Was there some SCO goons that pushed you down |
| 02:01.38 | graphyx | ? |
| 02:01.46 | maquis | haha |
| 02:01.53 | maquis | that'd make for a much bette story, Newsome |
| 02:02.12 | graphyx | I think you should try to find some way of getting the speculation out there. |
| 02:02.14 | maquis | he tried to assassinate his boss? |
| 02:02.24 | Newsome | or someone else :) |
| 02:02.30 | maquis | haha |
| 02:02.41 | maquis | it was... the butler, in the server room with the cat5 |
| 02:12.44 | maquis | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/06/eff_needs_to_die/ |
| 02:12.46 | brac | [EFF volunteers to lose important suit over Sony 'rootkit' | The Register] |
| 02:13.07 | graphyx | to lose the suit? |
| 02:13.15 | maquis | rta |
| 02:15.39 | graphyx | That's pretty bad. |
| 02:15.44 | maquis | haha |
| 02:16.01 | maquis | yeah... it's bad... and slightly concerning... |
| 02:16.01 | byronc | anyone have a magical script to transcode vbr mp3s to cbr mp3s and retain id3v2 tags? |
| 02:16.07 | byronc | or do I need to write my own |
| 02:18.16 | maquis | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/14/your_datas_is_at_risk/ |
| 02:18.18 | brac | [Your data is at risk - from everything | The Register] |
| 02:24.53 | tene | ono my datas!!! |
| 02:27.38 | graphyx | I have a hard time taking one serious if they insist on using the term datum. ;) |
| 02:28.11 | graphyx | Not that I read the article or am commeting on it, just datum is one of those words that sticks out when used in the it word. |
| 02:28.17 | graphyx | s/word/world/ |
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| 02:53.10 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 02:58.37 | emcnabb | sorry all for the constant disconnecting / connecting today |
| 02:58.46 | emcnabb | bad network connection |
| 02:59.23 | graphyx | We noticed. |
| 02:59.36 | emcnabb | just ban me :-) |
| 02:59.38 | graphyx | Someone (xbm) requested a banning. But I don't think anyone would do that. |
| 02:59.39 | maquis | emcnabb: yeah... you tracked snow all over the floor! and let out all the heat |
| 02:59.50 | maquis | emcnabb: i wasn't sure if you'd make in onto aim when you got back to good access |
| 02:59.54 | maquis | otherwise i would've |
| 02:59.58 | emcnabb | as long as it's only temporary |
| 03:00.00 | maquis | but, i'll remember that in the future :) |
| 03:00.26 | emcnabb | the folks on #groklaw banned me |
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| 03:00.45 | maquis | :) |
| 03:02.41 | graphyx | emcnabb: What was the connection that was so flakey? |
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| 03:03.20 | emcnabb | just the training center |
| 03:03.28 | emcnabb | I;m not sure what the problem was |
| 03:04.14 | maquis | emcnabb: that's not very good... |
| 03:05.01 | emcnabb | there's a guy in my class who's a member of the (LDS) church |
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| 03:06.34 | graphyx | emcnabb: You're a mormon? |
| 03:11.48 | maquis | emcnabb: that's cool |
| 03:12.21 | graphyx | Anyone got a link to the "amish virus" The email that asks you to format your hard drive and forward the letter on to everyone? |
| 03:12.50 | maquis | haha... i love that email... gcfl.net has it in their archives, i think |
| 03:14.16 | emcnabb | I had a roommate who fell for that |
| 03:14.17 | emcnabb | no joke |
| 03:14.24 | emcnabb | it was a variation on that |
| 03:14.35 | emcnabb | he went and removed a bunch of DLLs |
| 03:14.43 | graphyx | Anyone have a link I am having a hard time finding it. |
| 03:14.54 | graphyx | emcnabb: This one isn't even trying to be a hoax. |
| 03:15.13 | graphyx | It has also been called the honor code virus. ON your honor please delete your hard drive and send it to everyone.. |
| 03:16.37 | maquis | emcnabb: this one is better than any of those |
| 03:17.16 | maquis | graphyx: any of these what you're looking for: |
| 03:17.22 | maquis | http://www.google.com/search?q=amish+virus&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 03:17.24 | brac | [amish virus - Google Search] |
| 03:17.35 | maquis | *cough*google-slap*cough* |
| 03:18.08 | maquis | emcnabb: i highly recommend reading it... any of the first couple links in that google search should do :) |
| 03:18.12 | graphyx | I guess it was a simple google one. |
| 03:18.26 | graphyx | I was looking for virus format hard drive self inflicted. |
| 03:18.30 | graphyx | Joke virus |
| 03:18.32 | graphyx | and other stuff. |
| 03:18.34 | graphyx | I did try. |
| 03:18.40 | maquis | :) |
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| 03:23.21 | maquis | ~buckybot emcnabb |
| 03:23.22 | ibot | emcnabb: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 03:23.31 | maquis | hehe |
| 03:24.12 | emcnabb | nice |
| 03:24.16 | levi | Yay, I made it home. |
| 03:24.23 | maquis | emcnabb: i thought you'd enjoy the buckybot :) |
| 03:24.36 | maquis | very accurate, isn't it? |
| 03:25.09 | levi | Was he banned, or has he just tired of showing up here? |
| 03:25.32 | maquis | levi: the buckybot? he was banned... |
| 03:25.44 | levi | Heh. |
| 03:25.57 | levi | He was sometimes okay, between his psychotic rants. |
| 03:28.29 | graphyx | a trollbot? |
| 03:28.39 | maquis | yup |
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| 03:49.19 | levi | Time to whip out my mad coding skillz to do this project I should have started earlier. |
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| 05:47.05 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
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| 05:49.53 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate to love to hate you guys |
| 05:50.20 | amcnabb_ | That doesn't make any sense. |
| 05:51.13 | xbmodder_lappy | amcnabb_, yeah.. kinda I hate to love that means you don't wanna love, and that means a don't wanna love to hate you guys |
| 05:53.16 | xbmodder_lappy | amcnabb_, does it make sense now? |
| 05:54.04 | amcnabb_ | Not really. Oh, well. |
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| 08:28.59 | levi-treo | Gah, dsl is down. |
| 08:33.29 | levi-treo | I guess everyone is asleep anyway. |
| 14:10.51 | xbmodder_lappy | morning |
| 14:15.50 | graphyx | -weather |
| 14:15.50 | brac | 21 minutes ago, on Wed Dec 07 13:55:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the North/Northwest at KPVU. The temperature was -11 degrees Celsius (12 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1023 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 61.1%. The sky was clear. |
| 14:16.49 | xbmodder_lappy | i got v at 10mi coldness at 36f |
| 14:16.59 | xbmodder_lappy | dew point is 29 |
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| 14:17.47 | mheath | graphyx: any idea where kpvu was? |
| 14:18.09 | graphyx | Provo airport. |
| 14:18.32 | mheath | ouch |
| 14:18.42 | graphyx | ~say -weather kslc |
| 14:18.43 | ibot | -weather kslc |
| 14:18.44 | brac | 23 minutes ago, on Wed Dec 07 13:56:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the South at KSLC. The temperature was -13.3 degrees Celsius (8.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1024 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 79.4%. The sky was clear. |
| 14:19.03 | mheath | Then again, I'm going to be living, eating, sleeping, and working in weather like that for a few days... |
| 14:19.07 | graphyx | That would be SLC airport. |
| 14:19.44 | graphyx | mheath: Might want to double up on the underwear. |
| 14:20.00 | mheath | graphyx: It shouldn't be *that* cold, really. |
| 14:20.13 | mheath | Average daily temp where I'm going is ~30 degrees |
| 14:20.23 | mheath | Average nightly lows is only around ~10 |
| 14:20.50 | mheath | and I'll be sleeping in a down sleeping bag, still wearing lots of layers |
| 14:22.27 | mheath | graphyx: I'm wearing military gear, too |
| 14:22.32 | mheath | BDUs, ECWCS stuff |
| 14:22.39 | mheath | I should be comfortable. |
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| 14:39.46 | elg | so I was watching nova last night about antarctica, and they were saying "it's about -11 to -15 degrees celsius out here today" |
| 14:39.50 | elg | -weather kpvu |
| 14:39.50 | brac | 25 minutes ago, on Wed Dec 07 14:15:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the North at KPVU. The temperature was -11 degrees Celsius (12 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1024 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 61.1%. The sky was clear. |
| 14:51.03 | graphyx | elg: Are you saying that it's as cold here as antartica? |
| 14:51.34 | elg | I only state the facts |
| 14:52.20 | graphyx | Ok that was amuzing. I pulled up a site to get the weather for antartica and get an advertizement for Meet locals!!! |
| 14:52.31 | graphyx | Some websites will never cease to amuse me. |
| 14:53.15 | graphyx | I'll have to go visit that site if I ever become single again and move to antarctica. |
| 14:53.24 | graphyx | Fortunately I don't plan on doing either. |
| 15:00.47 | jlp | probably mid-day high temp in the summer in antarctica |
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| 15:07.28 | elg | http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/06/opinion/06kulash.html |
| 15:19.25 | goozbach | much snow out there in utah? |
| 15:19.33 | goozbach | not that I'm gonna get to see it |
| 15:19.59 | jlp | not much... we got maybe an inch here in murray |
| 15:20.11 | jlp | up in the mountains they got a bunch |
| 15:23.13 | elg | goozbach: out of town til october? |
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| 15:58.15 | goozbach | elg: I'm out of town for at least the next three weeks |
| 15:59.00 | elg | well that's almost october anyway |
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| 16:50.18 | tensai | ~lart bloglines |
| 16:50.46 | harleypig | I missed the first part of that and thought for a second that bloglines had gone down. :> |
| 16:51.18 | tensai | it's as good as down for me. they won't activate my account. and they still haven't responded to my complaint. |
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| 16:54.10 | harleypig | why won't they activate your account? |
| 16:55.43 | tensai | the first activation email they sent bounced because they didn't have reverse dns on the mail server. I've requested new activation emails and none have ever even been attempted. |
| 16:56.34 | tensai | and of course I try it now and my account is activated. harleypig, you're awesome. |
| 16:56.53 | tensai | I still never got my email though |
| 16:56.54 | harleypig | Ah. and they don't care becase they have enough people |
| 16:56.59 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:57.03 | harleypig | glad to be of help. |
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| 17:34.20 | mheath | Meh? |
| 17:34.41 | harleypig | you popped back into existence ... |
| 17:34.50 | mheath | Oooh, my boots should be arriving today |
| 17:35.03 | maquis | so... we we've been going over the "history of programming languages" poster in cs330 today |
| 17:35.18 | maquis | it's been interesting |
| 17:35.39 | mheath | And the rest of my gear should be arriving on Friday |
| 17:36.04 | mheath | Cold Weather Hat / Helmt Liner, Camo USMC Cap (No emblem), face paint sticks, gloves, ALICE pack.. |
| 17:37.05 | mheath | harleypig: Did you just wear fatigues a lot? |
| 17:37.10 | graphyx | Thank goodness for the face paint sticks. |
| 17:37.21 | mheath | I mean, when you were in the Corp, they didn't have BDUs |
| 17:37.31 | harleypig | mheath: whenever possible ... |
| 17:37.42 | graphyx | mheath: He use to, but it got too tiring. |
| 17:37.55 | harleypig | ~lart graphyx |
| 17:37.58 | harleypig | -lart graphyx |
| 17:38.08 | elg | -lart ups |
| 17:38.09 | mheath | harleypig: waht would, say, a special ops unit wear if they were off in the jungle somewhere? |
| 17:38.10 | harleypig | That deserves a double whammy. |
| 17:38.12 | mheath | *what |
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| 17:38.40 | harleypig | mheath: about 150 lbs of crap that they *might* use, but probably won't, but have to take just in case. |
| 17:38.42 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:38.49 | mheath | Clothing |
| 17:39.12 | mheath | They didn't have BDUs |
| 17:39.16 | mheath | what would they wear for clothing? |
| 17:39.24 | graphyx | harleypig: I take that approach when I go camping with the scouts. |
| 17:39.25 | harleypig | In the jungle they'd wear jungle cams (dark and light with some browns) |
| 17:39.43 | harleypig | I'm not sure what you mean ... |
| 17:39.50 | harleypig | boots, floppy hats ... |
| 17:39.57 | harleypig | helmets just get in the way. |
| 17:40.03 | mheath | harleypig: Like BDUs? I didn't know they had BDUs back then.. |
| 17:40.24 | harleypig | How old do you think I am?! |
| 17:40.25 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:40.35 | mheath | My dad said they didn't. Though, maybe, he was just speaking for the Airforce |
| 17:40.45 | mheath | harleypig: My dad said they just got BDUs in the '80's. |
| 17:40.52 | harleypig | We didn't call them bdu's ... they were just cammies. |
| 17:40.54 | graphyx | Come on harleypig is only like 38 years old. |
| 17:40.57 | harleypig | Yeah ... I was in 84. |
| 17:40.58 | graphyx | not 57 |
| 17:41.04 | mheath | Ah. |
| 17:41.20 | mheath | Sorry, harleypig, I was under the impression you were a bit older than that (not much, but a bit) |
| 17:41.33 | harleypig | np. :> But what we had was nothing compared to what they have now. |
| 17:41.33 | graphyx | He make act senile, but don't let that fool you.. |
| 17:41.41 | graphyx | s/make/may/ |
| 17:41.41 | harleypig | eh ... what's that? |
| 17:42.05 | mheath | I felt like a moron today |
| 17:42.11 | harleypig | Then it was just cloth ... now they have UV refracting threads, insulating threads, kevlar threads. |
| 17:42.13 | mheath | I grabbed the wrong coat =\ |
| 17:42.29 | harleypig | That the 'Make Love Not War' with the pot leaf on it? |
| 17:42.33 | mheath | My dad gave me a couple of older fatigue coats that were his |
| 17:42.49 | mheath | To wear to this training. |
| 17:43.01 | mheath | I was wearing one this morning, to school, because it was so cold out... |
| 17:43.40 | mheath | And I'm sitting there in history, wondering why my teacher (who's an air national guard sargeant) was looking at me oddly. |
| 17:43.59 | mheath | Then I realize....I grabbed the one that I hadn't finished taking the patches off of yet. |
| 17:44.04 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:44.08 | mheath | I'm sitting there with bronze oak leaves on my shoulder. |
| 17:45.09 | mheath | harleypig: hey, do Marines salute indoors? |
| 17:45.22 | mheath | Or are they the same as Navy? (Uncover indoors, don't salute unless covered) |
| 17:45.40 | harleypig | not usually ... yeah ... uncovered means no saluting. |
| 17:45.52 | harleypig | with exceptions of course (always exceptions) |
| 17:46.09 | mheath | I don't think theres *any* exceptions to that rule in the Navy, really.... |
| 17:46.18 | mheath | You cover indoors if your on watch |
| 17:46.24 | mheath | Then you'd salute indoors... |
| 17:46.28 | harleypig | Also, if the officer is wearing cammies with no grade insignia, you don't salute. |
| 17:46.45 | harleypig | even if he's covered. |
| 17:47.13 | mheath | Isn't that mainly extended from the practice of not making officers easy targets for the enemy? |
| 17:47.36 | mheath | I mean, if you start saluting officers all the time when you're wearing BDUs in the field, makes them an easy target... |
| 17:47.46 | harleypig | Well, its more to make it natural for greens in the field to not make targets of their superior officers. |
| 17:47.49 | maquis | uh oh... we're going to the into the end-of-semester thing.... |
| 17:48.21 | elg | maquis: my end of semester was yesterday. ;-) |
| 17:48.33 | elg | "covered" == hat on? |
| 17:48.47 | harleypig | elg: yes |
| 17:48.48 | mheath | "covered" == "cover" on ;) |
| 17:49.20 | mheath | Head. Galley. Gedunk. I could chuck out weird terminology all day. |
| 17:49.36 | maquis | elg: you know the byu last day of class talk? |
| 17:49.39 | mheath | harleypig: marines don't call it the head too, do they? |
| 17:49.48 | maquis | quoting scriptures, etc |
| 17:51.07 | harleypig | mheath: yeah ... and rack ... since the marines are really part of the navy (shhh ... don't tell anyone I said that) they use pretty much all the same terms. |
| 17:51.20 | harleypig | You're in the fleet when you're out on duty ... |
| 17:51.36 | Newsome | maquis: gotta prep you to answer the "appropriately brings gospel insight into things that have nothing to do with the gospel" question on the teacher evals |
| 17:51.39 | mheath | Indeed. |
| 17:51.41 | harleypig | maquis: The last day of school is quoting scriptures? |
| 17:52.07 | harleypig | Newsome: ? But ... but ... the gospel applies to *EVERYTHING* |
| 17:52.15 | mheath | harleypig: hey, you guys are under the DoN too. You're "in the Navy" both officialy and realistically. |
| 17:52.43 | harleypig | well, not realistically ... |
| 17:52.45 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:53.08 | mheath | harleypig: Tell that to the hundreds of marines stuck in the fleet :) |
| 17:53.11 | mheath | thousands |
| 17:53.29 | mheath | argh, I don't want to be sitting in DEP for a long time |
| 17:53.38 | mheath | With my luck they'll probably have me sitting around for a year after I enlist |
| 17:54.01 | harleypig | Even when attached to a ship there is a liason officer on each side (Navy and Marine) that passes orders back and forth ... |
| 17:54.40 | mheath | Meh, I said we're all under the DoN, not that we're under the same COs |
| 17:55.30 | harleypig | Marines take it hard ... don' wanna be under the squids! :> |
| 17:55.39 | mheath | haha |
| 17:55.43 | mheath | Indeed |
| 17:55.49 | harleypig | Not really sure where the animosity comes from, but its drilled in from boot. |
| 17:56.09 | mheath | I'm sure that if I said half this to an active marine, I'd end up with a concussion and several broken bones ;) |
| 17:56.50 | mheath | It evens out, though |
| 17:56.52 | harleypig | I mean, they drilled us with Marine and Naval histories and explained why ... I just never understood why it caused animosity (I don't remember the explanation) |
| 17:57.04 | harleypig | mheath: that's why y'all travel in pods ... :> |
| 17:57.10 | mheath | we follow a lot of marine doctrine.. |
| 17:57.25 | harleypig | although ... I did meat this rating who was pretty handy with his hands ... |
| 17:57.25 | mheath | Drill and Ceremonies Manual, etc |
| 17:57.28 | harleypig | err ... yeah. |
| 17:57.38 | harleypig | mheath: actually, the marines took it from the navy. |
| 17:57.55 | harleypig | the marines were originally a specialized fighting unit in the Royal Navy. |
| 17:58.12 | mheath | harleypig: No....I was looking at the Navy copy of the marine Drill and Ceremonies Manual |
| 17:58.30 | mheath | The Navy replaced their "Landing Party Manual" wiht the Marines Drill and Ceremonies Manual |
| 17:58.53 | harleypig | Oh ... I don't know what I'm thinking of then. |
| 17:59.09 | mheath | harleypig: Well, yeah, I know *that*. I'm not talking about the history of drill and ceremony, I'm talking about where the Navy got it's current Drill and Caremonies Manual, which was from the Marines. |
| 17:59.50 | maquis | Newsome: yup |
| 18:00.06 | mheath | harleypig: Hey, who came up with the idea to mix Blue+Red trousers and khaki shirts? |
| 18:00.17 | mheath | I saw a female marine in dress uniform |
| 18:00.25 | harleypig | mheath: :D Don't know, but it sure is ugly. |
| 18:00.35 | mheath | Ugly thing. Not nearly as neat looking as the full-dress-with-a-sabre-on-the-side uniform I've seen on recruiting ads |
| 18:00.39 | harleypig | mheath: actually, it's standard (or was). |
| 18:01.24 | mheath | Well, whats the difference between it and the full dress I just mentioned? |
| 18:02.23 | mheath | Come to think of it, I can't really remember what that uniform looked like. Its been ages since the marines ran those ads. |
| 18:02.45 | mheath | I just remember that it was better looking and more elaborate than this khaki-shirt-with-blue/red-trousers uniform |
| 18:03.16 | harleypig | Dress C (had to look it up) is the red strip/navy blue pants, khaki shirt. |
| 18:04.31 | harleypig | oh good heavens ... I forgot ... there are like 5 different types of dress uniforms ... |
| 18:04.34 | mheath | So its not really a uniform you'd wear to a big ceremonial occasion, then? |
| 18:04.38 | mheath | (Dress C's, that is) |
| 18:04.47 | harleypig | No ... it's usually for every day office work. |
| 18:04.54 | mheath | -_- |
| 18:05.04 | mheath | Why in the world did she do that then?! |
| 18:05.22 | mheath | Graduation from the boot camp I went to for USNSCC.... |
| 18:05.35 | mheath | Our Battalion Commander was a Marine. She was wearing Dress C's |
| 18:05.57 | harleypig | erm ... let me rephrase that ... every day office work when you have to kiss some serious but (like you work in the pentagon). |
| 18:06.24 | mheath | harleypig: But you'd usually wear something nicer to something like a graduation ceremony, right? |
| 18:06.30 | harleypig | There are dress and service uniforms ... gad ... I shouldn't have looked this up ... it's all coming back, like a bad drea,. |
| 18:06.46 | harleypig | well, women have different standards, and I never understood all of them. |
| 18:07.16 | mheath | I like our dress uniforms far better than those Blue/Red+Khaki uniforms. |
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| 18:08.08 | mheath | I think the Marines are the only ones who really beat the Navy in terms of number of uniforms :D |
| 18:08.30 | harleypig | I must admit ... i still like the dress c's .. though the boat dress was *really* cool. |
| 18:08.53 | harleypig | http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/marineshop.safeshopper.com/images/h0w1hik.jpg |
| 18:09.27 | harleypig | this is the dress c for men: http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/marineshop.safeshopper.com/images/g0jt0c5.jpg |
| 18:09.44 | mheath | A cape? :D |
| 18:11.03 | harleypig | Yeah ... Can't you just picture some jarhead running around in that! |
| 18:11.11 | harleypig | although I think those were officer's dress. |
| 18:12.02 | mheath | I think that the Navy's uniforms used to look better...The officers, at least... |
| 18:12.04 | mheath | http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h91000/h91415.jpg |
| 18:12.21 | mheath | Cooler shoulder boards (if that's what you'd call those), at least :) |
| 18:13.00 | harleypig | I never liked those ... but I'm a utilitarian at heart. |
| 18:13.22 | mheath | I don't think that the Navy's enlisted even really had a specific dress uniform back in those days |
| 18:14.57 | mheath | http://www.ussconstitution.navy.mil/images/deck_group.jpg |
| 18:15.01 | mheath | Erm, I stand corrected. |
| 18:18.09 | mheath | harleypig: Modern Navy enlisted dress uniforms are very utilitarian |
| 18:18.36 | mheath | I can tell you how long a guys been in the Navy, if he's been behaving well, what ship he's on, what his job is, etc. just from his uniform :) |
| 18:23.57 | mheath | harleypig: What was your MOS, by the way? |
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| 18:25.32 | levi-treo | Yo. |
| 18:25.47 | mheath | Hey. |
| 18:26.35 | levi-treo | Wassup in #utah today? |
| 18:28.07 | mheath | You missed a great discussion between harleypig and myself about the Navy and Marine |
| 18:28.10 | mheath | *Marines |
| 18:28.35 | levi-treo | Heh. Too bad... |
| 18:28.52 | Newsome | 'missed' may be a little strong... ;) |
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| 18:29.43 | levi-treo | I'm not crying. :) |
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| 18:30.09 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 18:30.19 | mheath | I'm trying to refine this idea |
| 18:30.23 | mheath | What I have so far: |
| 18:30.53 | levi-treo | Wacky programming environment guy made another couple posts. |
| 18:31.19 | mheath | The client contacts the server, and, on an insecured connection, looks up a global kerberos auth server, and gets a ticket that allows it to use the servers proxy/gateway to access that kerberos server |
| 18:31.44 | mheath | It gets a ticket from the kerberos server, then, to use with the server, so it can make further lookups and connections. |
| 18:32.55 | mheath | Anything wrong with that? |
| 18:32.59 | mheath | Simple enough, right? |
| 18:36.01 | levi-treo | Sounds okay, but I'm no security expert. |
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| 18:42.20 | harleypig | http://packetstormsecurity.org/0512-exploits/firefox-1.5-buffer-overflow.txt |
| 18:42.28 | harleypig | FireFox DoS sploit |
| 18:43.05 | Uncle_Jesse | Hey, if anyone knows perl and linux we are constantly hiring engineers |
| 18:43.29 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: who areyou with? |
| 18:43.42 | elg | the dukes |
| 18:43.43 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: backcountry.com |
| 18:43.51 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: close :-) |
| 18:44.02 | Uncle_Jesse | up in Park City |
| 18:44.24 | Uncle_Jesse | we are growing 80% every year so there is tremendous growth potential |
| 18:44.30 | Goshen | do you have to work at the facility? |
| 18:44.34 | Goshen | or can you work from home? |
| 18:45.00 | Uncle_Jesse | Goshen: you can work from home only when getting to the facility is impossible, so usually you have to work in Park City |
| 18:45.19 | Uncle_Jesse | we also have a warehouse in West Valley that some people work in as well, but you will most likely work in PC at least at first |
| 18:45.21 | Goshen | thats a long drive from Taylorsville |
| 18:45.22 | elg | impossible is a strong word |
| 18:45.35 | Uncle_Jesse | Goshen: I drive here from West Jordan - only about 1/2 hour drive |
| 18:46.01 | Goshen | interesting, I have a friend that needs a new job, he is brilliant, and works as a researcher at the U doing programming |
| 18:46.10 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: well, that was lightly put - if you can't get to work, no one will yell at you if you have to work from home |
| 18:46.11 | Goshen | and doesn't get paid what he is worth :) |
| 18:46.33 | Uncle_Jesse | Goshen: we pay competitive - have him send his resume to me and I'll forward it on |
| 18:46.47 | Uncle_Jesse | It's a very laid back atmosphere |
| 18:46.54 | Goshen | What is your contact information? |
| 18:47.03 | Goshen | and I will give it to him |
| 18:47.05 | elg | is this the same company that makes you use outlook? |
| 18:47.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Goshen: jstay@backcountry.com, Jesse Stay |
| 18:47.35 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: no - I'm in a new company now |
| 18:47.38 | Uncle_Jesse | all Linux |
| 18:47.42 | elg | ah, good for you |
| 18:47.48 | Uncle_Jesse | in fact we're trying to convert the whole company to Linux if we can |
| 18:47.55 | elg | wasn't sure if you'd transferred or changed jobs |
| 18:47.56 | Uncle_Jesse | all engineers have laptops |
| 18:49.18 | Uncle_Jesse | You get gear at cost+10% |
| 18:49.28 | Uncle_Jesse | plus free stuff every so often |
| 18:49.43 | Uncle_Jesse | free use of company ski passes when they're available |
| 18:50.30 | Uncle_Jesse | pass the word around - make sure they give my name because I get compensation for referrals :-) |
| 18:50.41 | tensai | the truth comes out |
| 18:50.55 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I mean all I say - this has been one of my favorite jobs so far |
| 18:51.23 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse is starting a MLM! Buyers beware! :) |
| 18:51.36 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart tensai |
| 18:52.10 | tensai | ~maquis Uncle_Jesse |
| 18:52.12 | ibot | ACTION breaks Uncle_Jesse just by looking in Uncle_Jesse's direction |
| 18:52.15 | Uncle_Jesse | this is also the first company I've been in that used a wiki for their intranet and has an internal irc channel for most of the departments |
| 18:52.37 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - haven't seen the maquis one - that's a good one |
| 18:53.31 | Uncle_Jesse | Goshen: make sure to tell your friend to put in a little about what he likes to do in his free time - our motto is "we use the gear we sell" |
| 18:53.38 | Uncle_Jesse | that will get bonus points |
| 18:53.39 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: We use a wiki for our department, and also have a department IRC channel |
| 18:53.48 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: where do you work? |
| 18:53.54 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Omniture |
| 18:54.15 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: yeah - I've heard good things about Omniture - they gave us cool gifts when I was at Media General |
| 18:54.33 | Uncle_Jesse | they just want to be like backcountry.com though ;-) |
| 18:56.31 | tensai | anybody know where the "Redo" key is? It's a shortcut key in OpenOffice but I have no key named "Redo" |
| 18:57.02 | graphyx | mheath, if the initial connection is on an unsecured connection how are you sure that you are taking to the right server in the first place? |
| 18:57.24 | graphyx | tensai is it crtl-x? |
| 18:57.43 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: in OO? |
| 18:57.56 | Uncle_Jesse | in vi it's ctrl-r |
| 18:58.10 | tensai | graphyx: nope |
| 18:58.13 | elg | ctrl-y? |
| 18:58.32 | harleypig | jhttp://www.rjonna.com/ext/gspace.php |
| 18:58.45 | harleypig | Pretty cool little extension |
| 18:58.48 | elg | not sure where learned ctrl-y but my brain has it tagged with the evil microsoft tag. |
| 18:59.16 | tensai | elg: no. it's a little confusing. Redo, the menu item is mapped to ctrl-y. Reapply, is mapped to the "Redo" key |
| 18:59.41 | elg | is that indirection? |
| 18:59.56 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: yeah - I think ctrl-y comes from Microsoft, next to ctrl-z which is normally undo in M$ |
| 19:00.22 | tensai | elg: apparently not. ctrl-y doesn't do anything. |
| 19:00.23 | elg | if you say so. ctrl-y is no where near ctrl-z on my keyboard |
| 19:01.05 | tensai | ctrl-shift-z is such a better choice |
| 19:02.00 | tensai | sorry, it's not "Reapply" it's "Repeat". I want to change styles a bunch of times without having to double click on the stylist. There's a menu option with a keyboard shortcut, but I can't find the key. How annoying. |
| 19:03.00 | erehwon | !seen sjansen |
| 19:03.06 | erehwon | ~seen sjansen |
| 19:03.08 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 18m 21s ago, saying: 'Say hi to my class.'. |
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| 19:13.55 | tensai | openoffice 2.0 allows you to customize the keyboard shortcuts. until then, I put a button on the main toolbar. I guess that'll work. |
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| 19:41.21 | Newsome | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/07/mp3_toilet_seat/ |
| 19:41.23 | brac | [Japan triumphs with MP3 toilet seat | The Register] |
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| 20:00.01 | tensai | we called those toilets "Captain Kirk Chairs". I tell you, that bum-warming feature is very nice in the winter. |
| 20:00.56 | lars-ut | quick & dirty monitoring with darkstat ignoring samba & netbios traffic: darkstat -d /root/darkstat/ -e "port not 139 && port not 445 && port not 666" |
| 20:02.13 | lars-ut | this let me quickly single out a host that was spiking network traffic |
| 20:03.58 | maquis | why isn't it working? |
| 20:04.50 | tensai | lars-ut: looks like a really simple version of ntop. nice. I expect I will use it. |
| 20:05.02 | lars-ut | it is |
| 20:05.10 | elg | iftop is nice too |
| 20:05.52 | maquis | grrr... |
| 20:06.14 | tensai | lars-ut: nothing shows up under "Ports". does yours work? |
| 20:06.37 | lars-ut | yes - give it a couple min |
| 20:06.46 | lars-ut | 666 is the darkstat default port, so I wanted to ignore network traffic on it - darkstat also required pcap when I compiled it |
| 20:07.16 | lars-ut | tensai: for me it is repoting only 80 right now |
| 20:07.20 | tensai | I'm on localhost so it won't see port 666 traffic anyway. different interface. |
| 20:07.34 | lars-ut | tensai: use -i eth1 |
| 20:07.39 | lars-ut | or whatever |
| 20:07.58 | tensai | lars-ut: it's working fine, just saying that 666 will go over lo and thus darkstat won't see it |
| 20:08.20 | lars-ut | I see. |
| 20:08.43 | lars-ut | but I think it saw traffic on the host I was using in a web browser to view it |
| 20:09.35 | lars-ut | I was viewing the traffic through a web browser on desktop box - darkstat was running on a server |
| 20:10.10 | lars-ut | so the 666 traffic still showed up |
| 20:10.37 | lars-ut | in my case. |
| 20:11.28 | lars-ut | elg: why do you like iftop? |
| 20:15.27 | tensai | wow. air marshal shot a passenger at miami airport |
| 20:15.32 | tensai | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/07/airplane.gunshot/index.html |
| 20:15.33 | brac | [CNN.com - Official: Marshal shoots passenger on Jetway at Miami airport - Dec 7, 2005] |
| 20:16.05 | tensai | brac: that's what I just said! |
| 20:18.36 | Goshen | crazy |
| 20:18.46 | maquis | yeah... |
| 20:18.55 | lars-ut | tensai: appears he did his job |
| 20:18.58 | Goshen | that will teach people to screw with the TSA |
| 20:19.02 | Goshen | yup |
| 20:19.15 | elg | lars-ut: i haven't tried this darkstat one, but I like iftop because it is console-based and doesn't run as a daemon and other unfavorable ntop features |
| 20:19.31 | levi | You've gotta be a real idiot to get someone to shoot you on an airplane. Geez. |
| 20:19.34 | Goshen | you can't say the b word when anywhere near an airport, and then go ahead to be non-complient with commands |
| 20:19.59 | lars-ut | it was in the jetway |
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| 20:20.33 | lars-ut | stop in an airport means stop |
| 20:20.50 | elg | lars-ut: be sure to run it with -P |
| 20:21.09 | lars-ut | not "excuse me while I reach into my carry-on" |
| 20:21.15 | lars-ut | elg: thx |
| 20:21.45 | elg | and -i eth1 or whatever |
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| 20:21.52 | lars-ut | k |
| 20:23.53 | lars-ut | elg: if I run iftop with the WAN ip addr of my router as (routable.ip/255.0.0.0) will it limit the traffic monitored to external? |
| 20:25.13 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.19 | lars-ut | trying now |
| 20:28.30 | tensai | holy cow! somebody sure is eating up all the bandwidth with irc traffic. I'll just shut that port down... |
| 20:32.19 | lars-ut | :) |
| 20:34.04 | harleypig | http://www.world-science.net/exclusives/051205_grenadefrm.htm |
| 20:34.05 | brac | [Earth-friendly grenades proposed] |
| 20:37.42 | goozbach | kill the other dude! |
| 20:37.53 | goozbach | but don't forget to SAVE THE PLANET |
| 20:38.28 | harleypig | From the article: But a group of scientists suggests the little throwable bombs could be designed so that they at least go easy on the environment while wiping out its human inhabitants. |
| 20:38.29 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.52 | lars-ut | neutron grenades? |
| 20:38.59 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:39.19 | harleypig | I don't think anyone could throw that far enough to not make it a suicide attack. |
| 20:39.53 | lars-ut | suicide attacks are the "in" tactic for a few enemies |
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| 20:40.10 | harleypig | yeah, but no ones promising *me* 72 virgins! |
| 20:40.21 | lars-ut | lol (with shame) |
| 20:41.09 | lars-ut | I'd like to see more propaganda mocking terror types |
| 20:41.17 | lars-ut | a la WWII |
| 20:41.54 | lars-ut | I think "True Lies" was a good example |
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| 20:42.53 | mheath | <graphyx> mheath, if the initial connection is on an unsecured connection how are you sure that you are taking to the right server in the first place? |
| 20:42.54 | elg | -lart ups |
| 20:42.55 | mheath | That wouldn't matter |
| 20:43.08 | mheath | Because the whole point of the initial insecure connection is so you can access a kerberos server |
| 20:43.21 | mheath | There is only one true kerberos server for this, or at least a central authority |
| 20:44.09 | mheath | If a server is pretending to be something else, you'd either not be able to access the kerberos server, or you'd end up with a kerberos ticket the fake server can't decode |
| 20:45.01 | tensai | or a ticket from the fake kerberos server to a fake server which proceeds to do nasty things |
| 20:45.29 | mheath | No |
| 20:45.35 | mheath | Because the kerberos ticket goes through you :) |
| 20:45.46 | tensai | granted, they still can't do a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 20:45.55 | mheath | You have to decode the ticket with *your* key (which a fake server wouldn't have) before relaying the ticket on to the server |
| 20:46.03 | tensai | mheath: does the client already know what server he wants to talk to? |
| 20:46.29 | mheath | When? |
| 20:46.52 | mheath | This is technology for a wireless mesh network |
| 20:47.01 | tensai | this is when a new client walks onto the network, right? |
| 20:47.07 | mheath | But more flexible than a traditional mesh network |
| 20:47.23 | tensai | yeah, for your wireless tablet thingies |
| 20:47.47 | mheath | The client searches for a peer that can relay access to primarily, a kereberos server, and secondarily any network resources it needs to access |
| 20:48.29 | mheath | Once a route to the krb server is found, the client grabs a ticket for accessing the true, secure, trusted routing mode of the peer (the unsecure mode is *just* for authing with krb) |
| 20:48.48 | mheath | So the peer has some idea of who it's communicating with |
| 20:50.00 | mheath | then it can proceed to lookup (via a simple DNS-like service, but with support for mesh networking and mesh algorithms) other resources |
| 20:50.06 | mheath | and access them via routing |
| 20:50.29 | tensai | what's to stop a rogue kerberos server from handing out false tickets and then directing traffic to itself |
| 20:51.00 | tensai | if it also had the DNS-like service running, it could hand out tickets to its own dns server |
| 20:56.26 | elg | -lart voxel.dl.sf.net |
| 20:56.31 | elg | -lart sf.net |
| 20:56.32 | elg | -lart ups |
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| 21:33.29 | lars-ut | elg: looks like iftop might be the best choice to give me cumulative traffic over time per host, say a few minutes or hours |
| 21:33.40 | lars-ut | nimght _not_ rather |
| 21:34.06 | lars-ut | maybe it's time for lunch... |
| 21:49.46 | tensai | poor lars-ut-away has to build windows workstations. a moment of silence, if you will. |
| 21:55.11 | emcnabb | let's say I want to add the user joe to the webteam group; if I run 'usermod -G webteam joe', then it removes joe from all the groups he is currently a member of (since those groups are not specifically listed); is there a way to add or remove groups from a user without giving the whole list? (without editing /etc/group directly) |
| 22:00.59 | tene | I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. |
| 22:01.53 | tensai | deluser user group |
| 22:01.54 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.54 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.05 | tensai | I don't know if that's a debian-ism, though |
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| 22:02.16 | tene | and that's just removing, not adding |
| 22:02.31 | tensai | adduser user group |
| 22:05.49 | tensai | looks like it is specific to debian. http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/adduser and http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/deluser if you want them |
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| 22:08.51 | tensai | gpasswd -a user group, gpasswd -d user group |
| 22:10.13 | tensai | which isn't what the deluser script does. it compiles a list of all the groups the user is in and just prunes the one to remove |
| 22:32.18 | tensai | user: my mailbox is gone, can you restore it? |
| 22:32.18 | tensai | me: as far back as I have archives, there is nothing in the mailbox |
| 22:32.19 | tensai | user: .... so did you restore anything? |
| 22:34.06 | tensai | now would be a good time to be a BOFH and drop a virus in there instead |
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| 22:47.12 | graphyx | Ok what happens if I can't install a cpan module cause the mcpan -e install can't contact ftp.perl.org? |
| 22:47.26 | graphyx | I mean I know it doesn't install, but rather what can I do about it? |
| 22:47.58 | Jayce^ | well, you could set it up with different mirrors |
| 22:48.03 | graphyx | how does one do that? |
| 22:48.05 | Jayce^ | you can have an array of mirrros |
| 22:48.22 | Jayce^ | there is a CPAN.pm that holds all your config, you can hack it by hand.. |
| 22:48.25 | graphyx | I am more than willing, just slightly less than knowledgable enough. |
| 22:49.40 | Jayce^ | locate a CPAN/Config.pm |
| 22:50.11 | graphyx | I found cpan.pm |
| 22:50.18 | Jayce^ | you can use 'urllist' => [q[ftp://cpan.cs.utah.edu/pub/CPAN/], q[ftp://mirror.xmission.com/CPAN/]], |
| 22:50.22 | Jayce^ | different file |
| 22:51.57 | Jayce^ | nuking that file will prompt you for the reinstall methods |
| 22:52.09 | Jayce^ | or, reconfigure |
| 22:53.22 | graphyx | Ok it started to get it. |
| 22:57.13 | emcnabb | tensai, thanks! |
| 23:01.54 | graphyx | Hey perl pros any idea what DBI string to use for ms sql? |
| 23:02.10 | tensai | graphyx: yes. hang on. |
| 23:02.20 | graphyx | tensai: Sweet. Thanks. |
| 23:02.55 | Jayce^ | well, it depends on a lot of stuff graphyx.. you using odbc, or the transport layer? |
| 23:03.15 | Jayce^ | if you google, or especially search on activestate or the dbi list, there is a lot of info on doing just that |
| 23:03.15 | graphyx | Jayce^: I'll use whatever method I can use. |
| 23:03.50 | Jayce^ | basically, there are two ways, ODBC can be easier, but much more limited... the other way is more involved, but more powerful |
| 23:03.58 | tensai | connect('dbi:Sybase:server=<server>;database=<database>','<user>', '<pass>') |
| 23:04.09 | tensai | that's how I do it, no matter what Jayce^ says |
| 23:04.28 | Jayce^ | tensai, I've heard the sybase doesn't work on certain versions |
| 23:04.31 | graphyx | I think I found a good page. |
| 23:04.36 | graphyx | use ODBC |
| 23:04.50 | graphyx | experts exchange looks like it has a good responce. |
| 23:05.25 | tensai | Jayce^: I hope I never have to find out |
| 23:06.30 | Jayce^ | tensai, agreed |
| 23:06.35 | Jayce^ | just dont' use mssql |
| 23:06.37 | tensai | graphyx: I think that method I listed requires freetds with a proper freetds.conf. I really just don't want to know any more than I have to. |
| 23:06.53 | Jayce^ | freetds is the thing I was talking about |
| 23:07.12 | Jayce^ | just never remember the name because I don't actually *use* it |
| 23:07.19 | graphyx | Well it has come time for me to leave, I think I'll pick up on this tomorrow. |
| 23:07.22 | graphyx | Thanks guys. |
| 23:07.25 | jsmith | graphyx: Use FreeTDS, but be prepared to lose several months off the end of your life :-) |
| 23:07.33 | tensai | Jayce^: if people would quit putting their data into it I wouldn't have to use it |
| 23:07.35 | jsmith | graphyx: Been there, done that, scarred for life |
| 23:07.38 | maquis | tensai: nice story |
| 23:07.42 | graphyx | jsmith: lol. |
| 23:07.55 | tensai | ~maquis graphyx |
| 23:07.57 | ibot | ACTION breaks graphyx just by looking in graphyx's direction |
| 23:08.14 | jsmith | graphyx: I'm serious... ever tried to get PHP on a Solaris box talking to MS-SQL? |
| 23:08.37 | tensai | jsmith: so many bad words in one sentence. how do you live with yourself? |
| 23:09.05 | Jayce^ | jsmith, that's just wrong, in so many ways |
| 23:09.20 | jsmith | tensai: Good question... |
| 23:09.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: Amen! |
| 23:10.02 | maquis | tensai: i'm not medusa or anything |
| 23:10.29 | maquis | ~beat tensai |
| 23:10.32 | ibot | ACTION beats tensai with a large stick. |
| 23:10.38 | tensai | maquis: tell that to all the hardware you've crushed and left broken in your wake |
| 23:10.46 | jsmith | tensai: I'm not ashamed to say I've worked on Solaris... um... I mean... uh... well... |
| 23:10.51 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 23:11.34 | tensai | jsmith: the one bright spot in my solaris use is that we at least were using it instead of netware. at novell. |
| 23:12.25 | jsmith | tensai: All I know is that trying to compile an ODBC connecton on Slowlaris 2.6 just about killed me :-) |
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| 23:41.20 | RyanE | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/29/mercedes_brake_test_fiasco/ |
| 23:41.21 | brac | [Journo fired over rigged Mercedes brake tech test | The Register] |
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