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| 00:54.23 | harleypig | Generate your perl name: http://vrm.wom.hu/scriptgen.cgi |
| 00:54.32 | harleypig | Mine is ''=~('(?{'.('_])._~'^'//@@+^').'"'.('(!],%$~)<^'^'`@/@@].@[|').',$/})') |
| 00:54.59 | harleypig | perldoc |
| 00:55.04 | harleypig | woops |
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| 01:08.28 | harleypig | bah |
| 01:36.56 | jsmith | ~curse hard drive failures |
| 01:36.57 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, hard drive failures ! |
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| 02:16.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Are there any ways of finding the height and width of a flash (applet I guess there called?) |
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| 02:28.17 | maquis | wow... |
| 02:28.27 | maquis | that was just a "good thing i wasn't root just then" moments |
| 02:37.01 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, what did you do> |
| 02:37.34 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: well... i was in a directory which had a dir called etc/ |
| 02:37.43 | maquis | i wanted to remove that directory |
| 02:37.56 | maquis | but accidentally hit /etc/ instead of etc/ |
| 02:38.11 | maquis | thankfully, it informed me that it couldn't do that |
| 02:39.57 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch. |
| 02:39.58 | xbmodder_lappy | fun |
| 02:40.16 | maquis | thankfully it wasn't an ouch |
| 02:40.19 | maquis | but it could've been |
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| 02:41.29 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah that would be ---bad |
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| 04:03.49 | goozbach | so aparently VP Chenney was in the same building I was today |
| 04:04.20 | mheath | Meh |
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| 04:04.55 | mrpull-lt | goozbach: where are you this time? |
| 04:04.57 | mheath | You get the complementary SS cavity search? ;-) |
| 04:05.35 | goozbach | I was wondering what the GOBS of police where all about |
| 04:06.07 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, cool. |
| 04:06.08 | mheath | Are there any good methods/protocls for wirless communication (802.11*, bluetooth, etc) that would allow for long-range wireless connectivity, while elegantly supporting such possible features as device auto-discovery and utilization? |
| 04:06.22 | emcnabb | goozbach, there's a student in my class this week (Anaheim) who was in Lamont's class last week (Sacramento); he'll be in your class next week (Anaheim) :-) |
| 04:06.44 | goozbach | then it took me more than 20min to go two blocks because of the >100 protesters |
| 04:07.17 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, long-range by how much? |
| 04:07.23 | mheath | "long-range" being around half a mile, give or take |
| 04:07.55 | emcnabb | when I was at Powell's speech a few weeks ago, there were actually about 20 protestors who broke into the building in the middle of his talk |
| 04:07.58 | mheath | Autodiscovry by having one interface support multiple connections, allowing for probing all devices in range |
| 04:08.14 | emcnabb | they were screaming and chanting; pretty rude |
| 04:08.31 | emcnabb | even the anti-war people in the audience started yelling at them |
| 04:08.35 | mheath | I hate politicians and their speechs, but protestors are rather annoying. |
| 04:09.04 | mheath | I've had people come up to me and start yelling, when I wore my uniform to school once. |
| 04:09.57 | Tene | just walk up to you and yell? |
| 04:10.03 | Tene | or do they yell words? |
| 04:11.09 | mheath | Yell words |
| 04:11.16 | mheath | "*censored* murderer", etc. |
| 04:11.58 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, 802.11g usually goes half-a-mile |
| 04:12.16 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, half-a-mile? |
| 04:13.17 | mheath | Yes, but one of my requirements is the ability to poll for data from all the devices in range |
| 04:14.07 | mheath | All the devices would be running a nameserver of sorts. Your device needs to be able to make small requests to all the devices within range, until it finds one that has what it needs |
| 04:14.11 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, yeah |
| 04:14.27 | emcnabb | wow |
| 04:14.28 | mheath | 802.11* doesn't support large numbers of ad-hoc connections from a single interface, does it? |
| 04:15.41 | mheath | Thats what I need, basically |
| 04:16.06 | mheath | A method that will enable me to make a lot of ad-hoc connections from a simple interface, that has a decent range. |
| 04:16.32 | mrpull-lt | mheath: maybe a mesh style network would suit your needs? |
| 04:17.08 | mheath | Well, thats what I'm looking to do, is a mesh style network. |
| 04:17.09 | mrpull-lt | gaahhh! why must the Jazz suck so? |
| 04:17.59 | mrpull-lt | mheath: oh good. I thought you were describing more of a hub and spoke. |
| 04:18.19 | mheath | mrpull-: well, tons of hubs and spokes, which is a mesh :) |
| 04:19.50 | mrpull-lt | mheath: the wrt54g community has a lot on wifi mesh networks. it might be a source of inspiration. |
| 04:20.17 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, hum. from what I can tell, most unmodifed 802.11G equiptment has a range of ~50 m at 54Mb/s, and ~150 m at 18Mb/s |
| 04:21.05 | mheath | My latest programming projects have been stuff that are really designed for mesh networks |
| 04:21.24 | mrpull-lt | emcnabb: yeah... with no walls between :) |
| 04:21.26 | mheath | I haven't coded anything specific to mesh networks, but that's really what it's all designed for.. |
| 04:23.08 | emcnabb | oh my |
| 04:23.56 | emcnabb | my wife is getting a puppy, so she's looking around at webpages for the type she's interested in. This is the worst looking webpage I've seen in a long time: http://www.spoondach.com/Bundleofjoy.html |
| 04:23.58 | brac | [Bundleofjoy ****Miniature Dachshund Puppies **** Geargia] |
| 04:24.09 | goozbach | I'm such a hick |
| 04:24.29 | goozbach | I'm watching NFR |
| 04:24.41 | emcnabb | they can't even spell Georgia right |
| 04:34.12 | goozbach | cause you don't have any |
| 04:35.17 | maquis | goozbach: yeah... that's about it |
| 04:35.18 | maquis | :) |
| 04:35.37 | levi | maquis: Milk is in good stuff. |
| 04:35.57 | maquis | levi: yes... but unfortunately, that makes it really hard to make good stuff |
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| 04:47.52 | Uncle_Jesse | free after rebate: |
| 04:47.54 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0213274 |
| 04:47.55 | brac | [Micro Center Online - the center of .computer shopping] |
| 04:49.14 | Uncle_Jesse | and http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0213286 |
| 04:49.15 | brac | [Micro Center Online - the center of .computer shopping] |
| 04:49.25 | Uncle_Jesse | brac: you're annoying |
| 04:50.32 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: I'd say the titles of the webpages are annoying. brac is just giving the bad news that Micro Center Online doesn't know how to title pages. :) |
| 04:50.51 | levi | maquis: You just need to have milk. That's not hard. |
| 04:52.23 | levi | Ahh, I saved my brother-in-law from taking a date to a bowling alley for pool. |
| 04:52.46 | levi | Now, they'll be going to Fat's instead. |
| 04:52.52 | RyanE | what, saved him from a life of marital bliss? Maybe she likes that stuff... It could happen... |
| 04:52.56 | RyanE | what's Fat's? |
| 04:53.09 | levi | Fat's Pub & Pool. |
| 04:53.32 | levi | It's a joint in Sugarhouse for shooting pool and stuff. |
| 04:54.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I almost went there tonight with some coworkers |
| 04:54.34 | levi | Why didn't you? |
| 04:55.10 | RyanE | certainly quieter than a bowling alley. |
| 04:55.57 | levi | Yeah, also better-lit and less smoke. |
| 04:56.07 | levi | And no obnoxious teenagers. |
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| 04:57.35 | goozbach | or drunk old guys... oh wait... |
| 04:57.41 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: wanted to go home to my wife - been at work til 9pm |
| 04:57.58 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Ahh, good reason. |
| 04:58.41 | Uncle_Jesse | well, work, then wings at wings n' things :-) |
| 04:59.51 | levi | Heh. |
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| 05:03.32 | levi | Anyway, for anyone who likes pool and is over 21, I highly recommend Fat's. |
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| 05:26.27 | vontrapp | any one here nkknow about the outdoor ice skating near temple square? |
| 05:29.30 | levi | Would it be at the Gallivan Center? |
| 05:36.32 | maquis | vontrapp: were you the original author of the byuwireless.rb script? |
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| 05:58.30 | drfindley | hey |
| 05:58.40 | drfindley | anyone remember how to return multidimensional arrays? |
| 05:59.47 | RyanE | drfindley: void * |
| 05:59.51 | RyanE | hehe |
| 06:00.04 | RyanE | you're leaving out a few things... Language, maybe? |
| 06:00.12 | maquis | drfindley: char*** (or int***)? |
| 06:00.32 | drfindley | c++ |
| 06:00.34 | drfindley | sorry |
| 06:00.50 | drfindley | it's kind of a standard array I belive, no pointers |
| 06:00.59 | drfindley | aparently char ** won't work |
| 06:01.05 | drfindley | it's of type char[9][9] |
| 06:01.29 | drfindley | this is what I have now static char[][] convertBoard() |
| 06:03.40 | RyanE | drfindley: is the variable you're returning defined inside the function? returning references to local variables that go out of scope is bad. |
| 06:04.28 | spr | hm..chess project. I forget how I dealt with that problem |
| 06:04.50 | drfindley | it's actually my freind at UofU's Checkers project |
| 06:04.58 | drfindley | lol |
| 06:05.22 | spr | Ok, that makes more sense, I thought you were done with 240 |
| 06:05.23 | RyanE | generally, only simple types are returned. Usually you would pass in a pointer to the function, then the function manipulates it. |
| 06:05.40 | drfindley | ryanE: it's not a reference I believe |
| 06:05.44 | levi | Does Dr. Olsen teach 240? |
| 06:05.55 | drfindley | no Dr. Rodham |
| 06:06.09 | levi | He recently spoke at UVSC, and I'm sure I had him for some class or other, and I thought it was 240. |
| 06:06.18 | RyanE | I'm just saying that generally, only simple data types are returned. Normally you pass in a pointer to what you want manipulated. |
| 06:08.21 | drfindley | that's what I 'm thinking |
| 06:10.23 | drfindley | ya it definitely looks to be a reference problem |
| 06:15.04 | maquis | vontrapp: ping? |
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| 06:20.19 | emcnabb | levi, Dr. Olsen has taught CS240 in the past |
| 06:20.34 | levi | emcnabb: That must be what I had him for, then. |
| 06:20.58 | levi | This is some cool stuff: http://blogs.inextenso.com/seaside/blog/learning/e716e4a1-65b1-11da-9865-000d935fad1c |
| 06:20.59 | brac | [Learning Seaside] |
| 06:45.24 | levi | maquis: That's what happens when you use C. ;) |
| 06:46.01 | maquis | levi: i think i migh've won |
| 07:02.31 | RyanE | maquis: you may have won the battle, but you'll lose the war. :) |
| 07:21.28 | maquis | RyanE: nope |
| 07:21.30 | maquis | won the war |
| 07:22.07 | maquis | convinced gdb to give me all the fortunes loaded into memory by the executable |
| 07:22.25 | maquis | not too hard, once i figured out the right command |
| 07:22.26 | maquis | :) |
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| 14:04.32 | graphyx | maquis: You trying to jump a frame pointer? |
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| 14:55.42 | graphyx | morning. |
| 14:55.46 | graphyx | cold morning. |
| 14:55.50 | graphyx | -weather |
| 14:55.51 | brac | 21 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 06 14:35:00 UTC 2005, the wind was calm at KPVU. The temperature was -5 degrees Celsius (23 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1020 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 62.7%. There were broken clouds at a height of 1402 meters (4600 feet). |
| 14:56.05 | bonez39 | brac, where is KPVU? |
| 14:56.06 | brac | who knows? |
| 14:56.15 | jlp | KPVU is the provo airport |
| 14:56.20 | bonez39 | ah...... |
| 14:56.32 | jlp | well, the weather station at the provo airport |
| 14:56.39 | bonez39 | I hear it's expanding.....to accomodate more traffic that would otherwise land and take off from SLC? |
| 14:56.49 | graphyx | The weather is? |
| 14:56.52 | jlp | most of those weather codes are "K" with the three letter airport designator |
| 14:56.53 | graphyx | wow.. |
| 14:56.59 | phinux | Could have been worse. Forecast was for 17 degrees Fahrenheit. I was surprised at how warm it was. |
| 14:57.45 | jlp | yeah, I didn't even have to scrape windows this morning |
| 14:58.04 | jlp | -weather KSLC |
| 14:58.05 | brac | 1 hours, 2 minutes ago, on Tue Dec 06 13:56:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.09 meters per second (6.90 miles per hour) from the East/Southeast at KSLC. The temperature was -1.7 degrees Celsius (28.9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1019 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 55.6%. There were overcast clouds at a height of 2134 meters (7000 feet). |
| 14:58.51 | graphyx | jlp: Yeah. I didn't have to either. I think it didn't get warm enough to get the wind shields moist. It just stayed cold. |
| 14:59.28 | graphyx | s/to/too |
| 14:59.44 | jlp | hmmm, brac doesn't give you the dew point :-( |
| 15:00.40 | graphyx | My do point is when my hands warm up enough I go do it. ;) |
| 15:01.07 | jlp | dew point was 15.1F |
| 15:01.57 | jlp | (in SLC) |
| 15:01.57 | maquis | graphyx: no.. messing with the actual executable for the first piece of it, and reading memory while it's running in gdb for the second part |
| 15:02.20 | graphyx | maquis: First and second parts of what? |
| 15:02.33 | maquis | of the project |
| 15:02.47 | maquis | the point of the project (according to our prof) is drm avoidance :) |
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| 15:14.29 | emcnabb | it's pretty nice down here in southern California |
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| 15:14.43 | emcnabb | no jackets today :-) |
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| 16:50.55 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:56.49 | RyanE | morning. |
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| 17:05.41 | levi | Wassup? |
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| 17:15.04 | RyanE | apparently, not much. |
| 17:15.09 | RyanE | did you finish your C-bashing paper? |
| 17:16.29 | levi | Not yet. |
| 17:21.39 | jlp_work | levi: I'd be interested in reading it when you do, if that's okay |
| 17:22.00 | RyanE | levi: me too |
| 17:22.11 | levi | OK, I'll link to it from my blog when I'm finished or something. |
| 17:24.34 | RyanE | thanks |
| 17:26.08 | jlp_work | ditto |
| 17:34.22 | levi | That should be sometime later this week. |
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| 17:37.06 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - 4x4 through Parleys is a ton of fun |
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| 17:38.26 | graphyx | Perhaps we should do a code audit on the treo irc client and see if we can find a buffer overflow on the connection string. |
| 17:38.42 | graphyx | Then we could make the topic some exploit string to make xbmodder-treo crash whenever he logs in.. |
| 17:38.46 | graphyx | That would be funny. |
| 17:38.49 | levi | Indeed! |
| 17:39.01 | xbmodder-treo | hey. do you think that the school can call my parents because what I wrote on my blog? |
| 17:39.22 | graphyx | xbmodder-treo: I think the school can call your mom whenever they want to. |
| 17:39.31 | xbmodder-treo | not funny right now.. |
| 17:39.45 | graphyx | I wasn't trying to be funny. |
| 17:42.28 | goozbach | anyone familiar with the bsd cal command? |
| 17:42.46 | goozbach | how do I display 6 months instead of three |
| 17:42.46 | goozbach | ? |
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| 17:45.33 | harleypig | goozbach: are you talking about the -3 option? |
| 17:45.47 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: it snowing in SLC finally? |
| 17:46.17 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Orem |
| 17:47.00 | harleypig | Sometimes I hate working in the middle of a big room ... go to the break room and see it's been snowing and you never noticed. |
| 17:47.47 | goozbach | harleypig: I want something like that but -6 |
| 17:47.56 | harleypig | goozbach: Looks like it's hard coded...I don't see any way it can be done with the stock bsd program. I've been known to be wrong on occasion. |
| 17:48.10 | goozbach | never mind, I was just demoing to my students how to ask a question on IRC |
| 17:48.20 | harleypig | you could probably script a way around that. |
| 17:48.22 | goozbach | I plan on doing some pipe foo a little later |
| 17:49.36 | harleypig | goozbach: :D |
| 17:49.48 | harleypig | Glad to be of help ... do I get any compensation? |
| 17:50.13 | graphyx | harleypig: You get 1 question credit from goozbach |
| 17:50.29 | harleypig | I already used that up with my tty question. |
| 17:51.14 | graphyx | Oh.. then it looks like you paid your tab. |
| 17:51.43 | RyanE | we'd better not be doing credits... I'd have a high number of smart-arse credits, no question-asking credits. |
| 17:52.05 | RyanE | but at least I don't have any annoying teen credits. :) |
| 17:52.45 | goozbach | ~give RyanE an annoying teen credit |
| 17:52.49 | graphyx | OMG!!! Ar3 u sure???? That's so c00l!!!Eventeeen!! |
| 17:52.49 | harleypig | I'll be paying off those teen credits for the next millenia |
| 17:53.16 | harleypig | graphyx: You typed that awfully fast ... |
| 17:53.39 | RyanE | annoying teens... |
| 17:53.42 | graphyx | harleypig: Check the time stamps. 1:29 in typing/thinking. |
| 17:54.18 | harleypig | That's fast ... it'd take me at least that long just to lookup the code to convert my typing. :> |
| 17:55.04 | RyanE | apt install geek-speak |
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| 18:06.39 | harleypig | that's not geek ... that's idiot teenager |
| 18:08.08 | RyanE | sorry... apt install l33t-sp3 |
| 18:08.11 | RyanE | ak |
| 18:09.41 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:10.06 | maquis | RyanE: isnt it 1447-5p34|<? |
| 18:10.15 | maquis | er |
| 18:10.23 | maquis | 1337-5p34|< |
| 18:10.32 | RyanE | like I said, I don't sp33k 1t. |
| 18:10.38 | maquis | haha |
| 18:10.41 | maquis | me neither |
| 18:10.55 | maquis | SpecialZ remembers when it confused me to no end |
| 18:11.23 | RyanE | and despite my great love for Brazilians, it annoys me to no end that brazilians on IRC seem to use it incessantly. |
| 18:11.45 | RyanE | and thus the true purpose of leet-speak is fulfilled. |
| 18:11.55 | SpecialZ | Is that a reflection of relative maturity levels? |
| 18:12.17 | RyanE | mine? probably. :) |
| 18:12.40 | RyanE | I don't think you'll find many people who accuse me of being mature. |
| 18:13.09 | maquis | hehe |
| 18:13.57 | harleypig | maturity is overrated. |
| 18:14.35 | maquis | harleypig: in some cases... however, at a certain point... |
| 18:14.54 | maquis | ~buckybot tensai |
| 18:14.55 | ibot | tensai: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me! |
| 18:16.14 | tensai | ~smash maquis |
| 18:16.15 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in maquis's general direction |
| 18:16.40 | maquis | ibot's pretty strong! |
| 18:18.32 | harleypig | maquis: "Age is a very high price to pay for maturity." Paulo Coelho |
| 18:18.59 | tensai | "youth is wasted on the young" -I don't remember |
| 18:19.20 | harleypig | heh |
| 18:19.29 | harleypig | how can I get ibot to give me a list of ~ commands? |
| 18:19.37 | harleypig | it's not listed in its help command. |
| 18:19.47 | maquis | harleypig: dunno... but you can make new ones if they don't exist |
| 18:19.57 | maquis | -lart harleypig |
| 18:20.07 | RyanE | tensai: "Man on Porch" said that in "It's a Wonderful Life" |
| 18:20.09 | tensai | ~factinfo harleypig |
| 18:20.10 | ibot | harleypig -- last modified at Fri Sep 2 20:45:09 2005 by harleypig!n=Clint@65.73.113.162; it has been requested once, last by harleypig at Fri Sep 2 14:45:19 2005. |
| 18:20.26 | RyanE | Man on Porch: Ah, youth is wasted on the wrong people. |
| 18:20.44 | harleypig | w00t! I finaly got a nose piercing! |
| 18:21.19 | tensai | harleypig: did your nose do something to offend you? you know those smells aren't your nose's fault. |
| 18:21.40 | SpecialZ | from uug via /.: Good thing the comb over was patented back in 1974 so the patent has expired. |
| 18:21.40 | harleypig | Hey! I take a bath once a month. Whether I need it or not! |
| 18:22.10 | SpecialZ | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,022,227.WKU.&OS=PN/4,022,227&RS=PN/4,022,227 |
| 18:22.13 | brac | [United States Patent: 4,022,227] |
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| 18:25.51 | Bradipo | Hmm, backup of svn doesn't look quite as easy as CVS. |
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| 18:27.47 | Bradipo | Maybe it is and people just don't know it. |
| 18:28.01 | Bradipo | Can I just backup the filesystem tree of an SVN repository? |
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| 18:28.44 | jsmith | Bradipo: If anything, it should make backups easier, as a new file is created for each revision (as I understand it) |
| 18:28.57 | Bradipo | That's correct. |
| 18:31.23 | jsmith | Sounds to me like a good fit for a rolling-rsync backup. |
| 18:35.01 | levi | Yow, the forecast tomorrow shows a high of 20! |
| 18:35.37 | levi | That's far too cold. |
| 18:36.25 | RyanE | levi: unless you're a penguin. |
| 18:36.40 | levi | I am not a penguin. |
| 18:37.25 | RyanE | levi: me thinks you protest too much. You ARE a penguin! |
| 18:38.00 | levi | Penguins can't type, and I am typing, ergo I am not a penguin. |
| 18:38.24 | RyanE | you likely have a penguin interpreter who does your typing for you. |
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| 18:42.48 | SpecialZ | What if I'm the penguin? |
| 18:43.50 | harleypig | be mine, sister salvation ... juke joint jezebel is coming for my cremation ... |
| 18:50.19 | levi | If anyone is bored and needs something funny to read (in the 'look at the poor misguided, illogical sap' sense), check out this blog, especially his ramblings on language design: http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/ |
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| 19:38.59 | graphyx | Anyone read the book The fire upon the deep by Vernon Vinge? |
| 19:39.14 | graphyx | I read it once years ago and forgot the title and found it again. I just love this book. |
| 19:40.03 | graphyx | If you into sci-fi and love computers pick up that book and give it a read. |
| 19:42.59 | RyanE | levi: for some reason, that guy *really* reminds me of mheath. :) |
| 19:49.35 | elg | levi: http://redhanded.hobix.com/cult/twoThings.html |
| 19:49.37 | brac | [RedHanded » Two Things] |
| 19:50.07 | elg | this is funny: "The way I feel about Lisp is the way I feel about socialism. Neat ideals and I really wish they worked on humans!" |
| 19:51.32 | maquis | tis a bit chilly outside |
| 19:52.23 | Uncle_Jesse | tis a bit snowy outside |
| 19:53.11 | graphyx | I don't recommend anyone trying to drive to Park city today. |
| 19:53.19 | graphyx | Unless you have too... |
| 19:53.29 | graphyx | And then don't plan on driving back for a while. |
| 19:53.33 | Uncle_Jesse | that is my daily drive to work |
| 19:53.33 | RyanE | My wife says Highland/Alpine has 8 inches on the ground |
| 19:53.44 | Uncle_Jesse | it's not too bad if you have 4 wheel drive or chains - don't try if you don't |
| 19:53.47 | RyanE | in Draper it's cleared up a bit, the roads are nearly clear |
| 19:54.27 | Uncle_Jesse | for awhile out here you couldn't see 5 feet in front of you |
| 19:54.45 | Uncle_Jesse | it's trying to clear up now |
| 19:55.43 | Uncle_Jesse | graphyx: you up in PC too? |
| 19:56.57 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: Nope. |
| 19:57.01 | graphyx | But I heard it on the radio. |
| 19:57.06 | graphyx | I fortunately live and work in Orem. |
| 19:57.31 | graphyx | I have a 2.1 mile commute to work. I know it's really terrible, but I figured that since I handled it ok last year I could keep with it for a bit more. |
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| 20:00.57 | graphyx | Just hang in there maquis!!! |
| 20:01.20 | maquis | graphyx: yeah |
| 20:01.32 | maquis | i think i'll try driving someplace nearby over reading-days |
| 20:02.05 | maquis | figure out this whole "driving in snow" thing |
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| 20:07.12 | mheath | maquis: is your car front wheel or rear wheel drive? |
| 20:07.27 | maquis | mheath: it's a corrolla |
| 20:08.41 | levi | maquis: That means front-wheel drive. |
| 20:08.47 | maquis | levi: cool |
| 20:08.51 | maquis | is that good or bad for snow? |
| 20:09.34 | mheath | Good. |
| 20:09.45 | maquis | mheath: good |
| 20:09.53 | mheath | Less likely to slip, and easier to control if you do.l |
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| 20:10.09 | mheath | (That is, easier to control the direction you slide if you do) |
| 20:10.27 | maquis | ah |
| 20:11.05 | mheath | maquis: Just remember (a lot of utahns have never learned this -_-) - DON'T spin your wheels! |
| 20:11.16 | maquis | mheath: explain better? |
| 20:11.37 | mheath | maquis: If your on an icey spot and not moving, don't keep pressing on the accelerator |
| 20:11.48 | mheath | That is *very*, *very* bad on your car |
| 20:12.12 | maquis | mheath: what do you do if you can't move, then? |
| 20:12.13 | mheath | Speaking of cars, my dad got his car back from the shop yesterday! |
| 20:12.41 | mheath | It was only in there for months |
| 20:12.50 | maquis | yipes! |
| 20:12.53 | maquis | what was wrong with it? |
| 20:12.56 | mheath | maquis: Well, first thing is o try accelerating slowly, and easily |
| 20:13.01 | maquis | mheath: mmk |
| 20:13.12 | maquis | and probably turn on hazard lights? |
| 20:13.26 | mheath | If that doesn't work, and you have room, try reversing gently, then moving forward |
| 20:13.38 | mheath | If not....push ;-) |
| 20:13.45 | mheath | maquis: Nothing was wrong with it |
| 20:13.50 | mheath | It was getting a new engine |
| 20:14.28 | maquis | the important thing about cars i learned last year was, if you don't turn it on about once every 2 weeks or so, you're going to have some battery problems |
| 20:14.41 | maquis | i'm going to do better on that part this year |
| 20:15.22 | mheath | Do you have decent tires on it? |
| 20:15.23 | mheath | Erm |
| 20:15.32 | maquis | mheath: they're pretty new |
| 20:15.40 | maquis | we got new tires when i got the car |
| 20:15.52 | maquis | my dad's good with cars, and he picked out the tires |
| 20:15.55 | mheath | .....and responded to "Do you have decent tires on it?" with "they're pretty new" =D |
| 20:16.09 | maquis | (he does porsche racing) |
| 20:16.28 | mheath | Different tires are good for different things, though |
| 20:16.35 | maquis | so, i think they're good... since he picked them out knowing i'd be in snow |
| 20:16.44 | mheath | For example, the tires my dad has on his jeep are really bad on pavement, but amazing for snow/ice and offroading |
| 20:17.02 | mheath | Theres some nice "multi-purpose" tires out there... |
| 20:17.08 | mheath | Decent at both |
| 20:17.18 | maquis | i think these are multi-purpose |
| 20:17.26 | mheath | Mmmmm |
| 20:17.28 | maquis | he said they were the best tires that the place sold |
| 20:17.46 | maquis | (at least for the size of tires i needed) |
| 20:18.49 | mheath | He needs to get a new clutch still, though |
| 20:19.01 | mheath | And, sometime soon, a new drive axle |
| 20:19.04 | harleypig | Anyone familiar with /proc/$$/statm ? |
| 20:19.07 | mheath | Too much power for that little car |
| 20:20.00 | mheath | harleypig: process memory status information |
| 20:20.25 | harleypig | right ... I'm curious about why a program I'm trying to debug would take that data and mulitply it by 4. |
| 20:20.47 | mheath | I dunno O.o |
| 20:20.54 | harleypig | googling statm doesn't give me much help (lotsa pages copying each other--all describing what it is, which I already know) |
| 20:21.41 | mheath | Erm, what is your program doing? Reading information from a /proc/*/statm file? |
| 20:22.19 | mheath | And your saying it's somehow multiplying the data by 4, though your not sure why? |
| 20:23.53 | harleypig | mheath: Yeah ... the program opens /proc/$$/statm, splits the data on the whitespace, grabs 0,1,2 and multiplies each by 4 and returns a hash of those three bits of data. |
| 20:24.08 | harleypig | I know why its grabbing the data, just not why its multiplying by 4. |
| 20:25.49 | harleypig | all the doco I can find on statm says the data is a straight number in kilobytes. |
| 20:26.12 | harleypig | the box is a linux 2.4.20 box |
| 20:26.27 | mheath | How is the program using this information? |
| 20:26.27 | harleypig | so there shouldn't be any wierdities ... |
| 20:26.48 | mheath | statm stuff is notoriously incorrect (or at least used to be) |
| 20:27.19 | harleypig | The module itself is just returning the data ... it's used primarily for debugging programs that are eating up memory. |
| 20:27.52 | harleypig | The logger is just storing the data as 'resident=70400 | size=72472 | shared=2600' (my format) in the logfile |
| 20:27.57 | harleypig | for each iteration |
| 20:28.19 | harleypig | (that's just one line, the numbers grow larger over time) |
| 20:28.44 | harleypig | I'm beginning to find mention of statm problems in the docs. |
| 20:36.08 | harleypig | "Grovelling over kcore is actually not much fun and is typically only a method used by the very desperate (or very bored)." Linux Server Hacks |
| 20:38.05 | mheath | harleypig: all I can find is that AIX's ps (and indeed, GNU's ps, if you adjust the formatting) likes to output some weird fields that are 4 times other stuff |
| 20:38.22 | mheath | Though I'm not really clear on why. They *might* be useful for debugging somehow. |
| 20:39.54 | harleypig | I don't see how ... and I don't see any mention of it ... even in the ps docs ... plus, the ps source doesn't seem to be multiplying anything relevant. |
| 20:40.32 | mheath | harleypig: the GNU ps docs don't mention it |
| 20:40.57 | mheath | They can do it, but its just in a long list of formatting options...and it doesn't tell you what the formatting options *do* |
| 20:41.43 | harleypig | That's what the source is for! "If it was hard for me to write it should be hard for you to understand!" :/ |
| 20:45.30 | mheath | harleypig: erm |
| 20:45.40 | mheath | You got me confused, and I should have looked at some docs a long time ago |
| 20:45.40 | levi | elg: I must not be human, then, since Lisp works on me. :) |
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| 20:45.55 | mheath | Most of the values in statm are given in *pages*, not kilobytes. |
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| 20:47.42 | goozbach | ~seen sjansen |
| 20:47.54 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 5d 2h 3m 7s ago, saying: 'Say hi to my class.'. |
| 20:47.54 | levi | mheath: I wouldn't mind a Porsche 914 with a 6-cyl engine in it. If I didn't have to pay for parts for it, that is. ;) Meanwhile, my turbo 4-cyl Miata will have to do. |
| 20:48.01 | xbmodder-treo | do you think I am screwed for what I posted on my blog? |
| 20:48.02 | goozbach | bah! |
| 20:48.20 | goozbach | sjansen: you're a punk |
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| 20:48.24 | xbmodder-treo | bah? |
| 20:48.28 | elg | bah. |
| 20:48.48 | elg | humbug! |
| 20:49.33 | mheath | harleypig: However, it would make far more sense to *devide* by 4 on most systems... |
| 20:49.47 | mheath | as the Linux kernel uses 4K memory pages on x86 processors |
| 20:50.11 | mheath | erm, nevermind |
| 20:50.15 | levi | elg: I must not be human, then, since Lisp works on me. :) |
| 20:50.31 | elg | levi: we all know you're superhuman. ;-) |
| 20:50.35 | mheath | harleypig: multiplying by four gives you units of kilobytes for msot of the values in statm |
| 20:50.46 | elg | the quote was funny, but I gave you the link for the link he links to |
| 20:50.54 | mheath | Again, though, statm shouldn't be used for serious debugging |
| 20:50.55 | levi | I am ze ubermensch! ;) |
| 20:51.06 | mheath | Its notoriously inaccurate |
| 20:51.20 | xbmodder-treo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.32 | elg | that depends on who's reading it |
| 20:51.48 | levi | elg: I'd already read the ruby-lisp equivalence blog article. |
| 20:51.53 | elg | but, generally speaking, things like that come back to bite you |
| 20:52.10 | mheath | xbmodder-treo: Why not express yourself in ways that don't involve using the same tired, overused, generic words that everyone else uses over and over again? |
| 20:52.36 | xbmodder-treo | mheath: stick to point plz |
| 20:52.47 | RyanE | xbmodder-treo: I think that IS the point. |
| 20:53.37 | goozbach | CIP for why teenagers shouldn't have blogs |
| 20:53.40 | RyanE | you don't need to call your teacher an overused name. You should just discuss *why* what your teacher is doing is not what he/she *should* be doing, in an intelligent manner. |
| 20:54.09 | elg | goozbach: actually, it's a good case for why _most_ people shouldn't have blogs. :) |
| 20:54.19 | goozbach | elg: point |
| 20:54.24 | xbmodder-treo | ryane: that's later in the post, but... |
| 20:54.50 | goozbach | xbmodder-treo: spoken intellegently anything is or should be ok. |
| 20:54.52 | RyanE | xbmodder-treo: so why the namecalling then? If your argument is reasonable, you're just prejudicing people by your crudeness. |
| 20:55.02 | goozbach | it sound like you're trying to be inflamatory |
| 20:55.09 | goozbach | which should never be ok |
| 20:55.20 | RyanE | actually, just sounds like he's being juvenile. |
| 20:55.20 | goozbach | goodbye |
| 20:55.20 | levi | elg: Did you see this blog? http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/ |
| 20:55.24 | RyanE | and can't take criticism |
| 20:56.31 | elg | levi: no, but it's really confusing |
| 20:56.48 | elg | this top post anyway, I'm three paragraphs in and I still have no idea what the subject is. |
| 20:56.55 | levi | elg: It's a pretty amusing mass of rambling contradictions. What happens when a guy obsessed with asm and cpu architectural gizmos finds out about cool stuff you can do with Lisp. |
| 20:56.59 | tensai | since I've ignored xbmodder I can't be sure what he said, but the EFF's guide to blogging is interesting. apparently it *is* legal under some circumstances to suspend, expel, fire people for blog entries |
| 20:57.18 | maquis | tensai: yup |
| 20:57.20 | tensai | you should always treat blog entries like you published them in the newspaper |
| 20:57.23 | levi | elg: If you start at the beginning, it makes a little bit more sense. |
| 20:57.34 | elg | levi: as in the bottom of the page? |
| 20:57.49 | levi | elg: Apparently he got interested in this stuff the same way I did, by watching an Alan Kay presentation. |
| 20:58.15 | levi | elg: No, by going to October in the calendar. |
| 20:58.22 | tensai | public schools and institutions have a higher standard to reach before they can retaliate. private entities can pretty much do whatever they want short of a few instances (blogging about unions, for example). |
| 20:59.01 | elg | so if I bash a union in my blog they can do a job on me? |
| 20:59.06 | levi | elg: Er, November, not October. |
| 21:00.17 | elg | "hey bruno, I need you to do a job." "Another blogger?" "yeah" |
| 21:00.37 | mheath | I don't understand much of what this guy is writing about |
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| 21:03.00 | mheath | The bottom article is basically "Capitalism has failed as an economic system, its horrible, we're going to have a global market failure in 5 years....what we need instead is some kind of utopian socialist world!" |
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| 21:03.28 | xbmodder | hey |
| 21:03.39 | harleypig | Yeah, the soviets tried that ... didn't quite work for t hem. |
| 21:03.52 | levi | Well, he's a programmer, I wouldn't expect his political rants to make any sense. It's his programming articles that are amusing. |
| 21:04.35 | mheath | People who bash capitalism have always cracked me up. I mean, people who claim superiority of another economic system |
| 21:04.54 | mheath | Have you ever noticed that capitalism is really the only economic system that can last in the long run? |
| 21:05.04 | mheath | All the others get knocked out by minor revolts or problems.... |
| 21:05.22 | mheath | Capitalism, it bounces back. Theres nothing you can do to stop that. |
| 21:05.43 | mheath | You might take a break and play psuedo-communists for a bit, like the russians did, but capitalism is the economic system that always triumphs. |
| 21:06.11 | levi | His Friday, November 11 article is an amusing example of missing the point of Smalltalk, for example. |
| 21:06.47 | tensai | elg: unionizing is specifically protected by federal law. your employer can't stop you in any way from discussing unions (as I understand it). |
| 21:06.48 | levi | It's when he gets started about his 'lack of operators' idea. |
| 21:06.58 | xbmodder | you know, you guys are really supportive? |
| 21:07.21 | mheath | 1. No more limitations on what language I can use. If I want to use FORTRAN for one section and COBOL for another, that should be my choice. Actually, I'd rather use Java than COBOL. |
| 21:07.36 | mheath | I dunno... |
| 21:07.48 | mheath | You have to watch out for that anti-fortran legislation! ;-) |
| 21:08.54 | levi | He totally misses the recursive nature of the Smalltalk language. |
| 21:09.49 | levi | Actually, I think there are a few primitive entities that aren't objects or messages, but I believe Self eradicated those as well. |
| 21:10.24 | levi | But he confuses language and implementation. And also what an object 'is' at a conceptual level. |
| 21:11.03 | levi | An object, in the Smalltalk sense, is not a container at all. It is an autonomous actor. |
| 21:11.29 | mheath | Is ab object a container in any language? |
| 21:11.31 | mheath | O.o |
| 21:11.37 | mheath | *an |
| 21:11.54 | RyanE | it 'contains' variables and methods... like tupperware. :) |
| 21:12.03 | levi | Well, in C++ it is. It's a glorified struct, which is basically a compound data element. |
| 21:13.07 | mheath | Ah, good point about C++... |
| 21:13.16 | levi | C++ doesn't really provide an abstraction layer like Smalltalk does, just a means by which you can easily create it. |
| 21:14.21 | levi | I'd say C++ is not an object oriented language, but it does provide tools for building object-oriented programs. There's an important semantic difference there, a different level of language abstraction. |
| 21:14.53 | mheath | "While some languages claim that everything is an object, they forget about operators." |
| 21:15.21 | mheath | Wouldn't LISP be something where everything is an object (sort of), without any operators? |
| 21:15.42 | levi | Well, /every/ language has operators. |
| 21:16.08 | levi | He's got his definition of operator screwed up, and I'm not sure what he thinks it means. |
| 21:16.35 | mheath | +, -, /, %, binary logic stuff, etc. |
| 21:17.05 | mheath | He goes on and on about how operators are the fundamental building blocks of programming languages |
| 21:17.36 | mheath | Wouldn't the fundamental building blocks of languages be just tokens? A programming language is really just how you choose to analyze those tokens using a lower level thing, like assembly. |
| 21:18.48 | elg | well if you want to get theoretical, a language is simply a set of strings |
| 21:18.49 | levi | mheath: Speaking syntactically, tokens could be taken as a fundamental buildling block. |
| 21:19.25 | levi | mheath: Semantically, it's a different story. |
| 21:19.31 | mheath | I hate the way this guy rights..... |
| 21:19.38 | mheath | He seems to write a lot of paragraphs like: |
| 21:19.41 | Bradipo | Writes? |
| 21:19.52 | mheath | agh! Sorry. |
| 21:20.18 | mheath | I can't do ___________. Er, wait, thanks to ______, I can. But not very well. |
| 21:21.37 | levi | The lambda calculus has two basic operations, abstraction and application. |
| 21:23.42 | levi | At some point in one of his entries, he defines 7 basic operations that exist in his world. Yet he continues to exist that his language has no operators and no data types. Except for strings, but apparently they don't really count. |
| 21:26.36 | levi | One of the really funny things is that he's an efficiency freak, and has several entries about how he loves being able to do stuff like load properly-aligned data into cache and perform vector operations on it, etc. But somehow he's going to build this programming system on a portable bytecode language based on his 7 fundamental operations. And there will be no virtual machine, just an IL-to-Native static compiler. Because, apparently, virtual machi |
| 21:27.59 | levi | But his second intermediate language, which will apparently be a level above the bytecode, is totally typeless and somewhat lisp-like, with lots of closures and late binding and such. |
| 21:28.38 | levi | It will be interesting, if he gets that far, to see his reaction when he attempts to actually statically compile a language like that. |
| 21:29.10 | levi | It's an architecture crying out for a virtual machine with a dynamically-optimizing JIT compiler. |
| 21:30.32 | levi | I suspect that if he actually gets past his vague rambling stage and actually starts trying to write code, the whole shambling mess will collapse around him far before he gets to that point, though. |
| 21:34.48 | levi | mheath: You might be interested to know that Scheme, like Smalltalk, was highly influenced by the Actor model of computation. Guy Steele and Gerald Sussman were trying to understand the implications of the Actor model, so they tried implementing it with a lispy syntax on top of Lisp. At first they had separate function calls and message sends, but it turned out that the message sends were redundant. |
| 21:35.28 | mheath | Ah. |
| 21:36.04 | mheath | This guy strikes me as someone who gets over-excited about some new thing he's discvoered, and makes huge, silly statements that he's not really thinking about. |
| 21:36.14 | levi | mheath: Indeed. |
| 21:36.59 | levi | mheath: And he doesn't really know what he's talking about when he makes statements about Smalltalk and Lisp. |
| 21:38.23 | mheath | Hmm |
| 21:38.54 | mheath | Any idea why, on Wikipedia, when I search for "Mesh Networking"...."Mesh networks" has 100.0% relevancy, but "Mesh networking" only has 94.7%? |
| 21:41.18 | RyanE | mheath: likely the relevance doesn't weigh the title nearly as much as the amount of content that references the searched-for topic. |
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| 21:45.33 | levi | Self is an evolutionary successor to Smalltalk, and is interesting from a minimalistic language point of view: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_programming_language |
| 21:48.10 | levi | More interesting info on Self: http://www.self-support.com/ |
| 21:49.45 | elg | prototype programming can be fun |
| 21:50.24 | elg | in ruby, class << obj; add/change/remove behavior; end |
| 21:51.59 | levi | Metaclass hackery is interesting indeed. |
| 21:52.30 | levi | CLOS implementations that support the MOP let you do fun things, too. You can completely reprogram how the basic mechanisms of the object system work. |
| 22:10.24 | levi | elg: Here's a paper on how the CLOS MOP works: http://www-db.stanford.edu/~paepcke/shared-documents/mopintro.ps |
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| 22:19.08 | maquis | levi: don't most CLOSET implementations support MOPS |
| 22:19.09 | maquis | ? |
| 22:19.24 | levi | maquis: :P |
| 22:19.47 | harleypig | ~lart maquis |
| 22:19.49 | graphyx | maquis: my CLOSET implements MOPS, BROOMS, and RAGS |
| 22:19.50 | harleypig | for the bad joke |
| 22:20.07 | harleypig | my CLOSET implements SKELETONS |
| 22:21.02 | harleypig | Yeah, but you started it. |
| 22:21.07 | graphyx | That's cause harleypig and I are suckers for a good pun. |
| 22:21.33 | harleypig | "A good pun will curdle milk from a mile away and cause little babies to wail in fear" |
| 22:30.07 | maquis | grr |
| 22:30.24 | maquis | methinks the new version of evilwm isn't completely stable, for some odd reason |
| 22:32.22 | levi | Why upgrade a minimalist wm? |
| 22:33.03 | Uncle_Jesse | If it's possible to get a feed w/ udot accident data on it real time, you could enter your route via google maps, and have an rss feed generate for any accidents that occur on your route |
| 22:33.24 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know where you could get such a feed? |
| 22:34.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I know you can see such info on commuterlink.utah.gov |
| 22:51.59 | Tene | maquis: why updating evilwm? |
| 22:52.13 | maquis | question: does bsd have something like the gentoo use-flags? i'm not seeing mention of anything in the handbook |
| 22:52.29 | maquis | Tene: noticed that there was a new version... decided to try it out |
| 22:52.37 | Tene | what's changed in it? |
| 22:53.03 | maquis | a couple bugs were fixed, and some code was cleaned up |
| 22:53.09 | maquis | and apparently at least one bug was introduced |
| 22:53.13 | Tene | kk |
| 22:54.26 | Tene | http://hackaday.com/entry/1234000383070996/ |
| 23:01.59 | jnbek | anyone here using xmission utopia ? |
| 23:02.38 | jlp_work | not yet, but I want to |
| 23:02.48 | jlp_work | (not available in my area yet... I'm in phase 2) |
| 23:03.41 | jlp_work | they're supposed to have it completely built out in murray by the end of the year in all of the areas AROUND mine, but skipping mine until next year |
| 23:04.43 | Tene | Taylorsville dropped out of Utopia entirely |
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| 23:06.59 | jnbek | that sucks |
| 23:07.15 | jnbek | Orem didn't drop out, but i guess the coverage is limited here |
| 23:07.53 | jnbek | i don't have it here yet, but across Univeristy Pkwy I've heard they do |
| 23:07.59 | jnbek | lol, i wanna try it so bad |
| 23:08.24 | maquis | a fast connection would be nice for when i go back there |
| 23:08.43 | jnbek | they should have it there |
| 23:08.49 | jnbek | you've think they would anyway |
| 23:08.55 | jnbek | you'd* |
| 23:09.04 | Tene | http://www.bizarrebids.com/ebayarchives/rofl.htm |
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| 23:18.49 | tensai | ~find clamdscan |
| 23:19.51 | brac | [SuperCap 9V battery - hack a day - www.hackaday.com _] |
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| 23:22.57 | brac | [eBay item 5591163987 (Ends 25-Jun-05 03:42:31 EDT) - ROFL WAFFLES! Unbelievable! WOW! Zomg Rare! Is it a UFO] |
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| 23:40.48 | maquis | ~snowball levi |
| 23:40.49 | ibot | ACTION launches a snowball tightly compressed with little shards of ice at levi |
| 23:41.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:43.18 | levi | I refuse to participate in /snow/ stuff. |
| 23:43.21 | levi | I hate it! |
| 23:51.16 | maquis | ~snow-angel levi |
| 23:55.41 | harleypig | levi: My wife calls snow 'angel poop' |
| 23:55.53 | harleypig | I love the mental image that gives me. |