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| 02:45.45 | devlin | any railers over that aren't on #rubyonrails? |
| 02:46.57 | goozbach | sjansern around? |
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| 03:07.59 | maquis | wow... it hasn't been a very talkative day |
| 03:13.10 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 03:13.13 | goozbach | there ya go |
| 03:13.19 | goozbach | I contrubited |
| 03:13.58 | goozbach | yesterday upon the stair |
| 03:14.08 | goozbach | I met a man who wasn't there |
| 03:14.15 | goozbach | he wasn't there again today |
| 03:14.23 | goozbach | I think he's from the CIA |
| 03:14.28 | maquis | hahahaha |
| 03:14.34 | maquis | :) |
| 03:16.49 | maquis | goozbach: how's life? |
| 03:21.26 | goozbach | meh |
| 03:21.36 | goozbach | I wish I had one |
| 03:21.52 | maquis | :( |
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| 03:43.30 | tensai | maquis: gs arrive yet? |
| 03:43.58 | maquis | tensai: nope... hasn't shipped yet |
| 03:44.02 | maquis | i just ordered it last night |
| 03:44.05 | maquis | ATTENTION FRYING PANS! You are gadgets. Nothing but pebble-dashed gadgets. |
| 03:44.11 | tensai | that would make it difficult |
| 03:44.31 | maquis | http://www.ravenblack.net/random/surreal.html |
| 03:49.06 | tensai | sorry, guess I don't see the humor |
| 03:49.29 | maquis | tensai: i'm sorry too |
| 03:49.42 | tensai | can you fix it? |
| 03:49.51 | maquis | my friend and i have been laughing at these for like 10 minutes now |
| 03:50.03 | maquis | I remember when my milk carton wasn't bored... |
| 03:50.23 | goozbach | GAAAAA!!!! |
| 03:50.28 | goozbach | ruined plans |
| 03:50.36 | maquis | huh???? |
| 03:50.38 | goozbach | now I need an idea |
| 03:50.42 | maquis | for |
| 03:50.43 | maquis | ? |
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| 03:51.00 | goozbach | the peoples we (my roommate and I) were going to hang out with bailed out |
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| 04:23.34 | mrpull-lt | does Gov. Hunstman remind anybody else of Vince McMahon of WWE? |
| 04:36.12 | levi | maquis: I can't find endless amusement in machine-guns without my seagull. |
| 04:43.52 | maquis | :) |
| 04:43.58 | levi | maquis: One of the random surreal statements had a link to this: http://www.somethingawful.com/spam/icq/spacerobot/ |
| 04:43.59 | brac | [Something Awful] |
| 04:44.09 | levi | It's a funny ICQ transcript. |
| 04:44.22 | maquis | cool |
| 04:44.39 | maquis | levi: did you see the surreal programming compile errors? |
| 04:44.42 | levi | Do you mind if I trace your wizard? ANSWER ME! |
| 04:44.48 | maquis | some of them are pretty good... |
| 04:45.28 | maquis | http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=403932 <-- /me drools |
| 04:45.51 | levi | "Is this a Blockbusters contestant which I see before me, the paper towel toward my monk? Come, let me cast Magic Missile at thee. " |
| 04:46.06 | maquis | yay for macbeth! |
| 04:46.23 | levi | Yay for Macbeth with freakin' Magic Missiles! |
| 04:46.29 | maquis | :) |
| 04:47.05 | mrpull-lt | maquis: I saw the apple 30" display today |
| 04:47.09 | mrpull-lt | it is slick |
| 04:48.13 | mrpull-lt | I'll probably buy the dell 30" if it is around $1K |
| 04:49.18 | mrpull-lt | i have the 20" 2005FPW. it uses the same LCD as the cinema display. |
| 04:50.27 | maquis | the apple one is pretty sweet... |
| 04:50.28 | maquis | they had it at the apple store over thanksgiving |
| 04:51.57 | mrpull-lt | my motherboard (i think) died this morning |
| 04:52.59 | maquis | mrpull-lt: i'm sorry! |
| 04:53.01 | maquis | that sucks! |
| 04:54.06 | mrpull-lt | the worst part is I bought my computer at a bad time |
| 04:54.20 | levi | I saw one of the big but smaller than 30" Apple monitors. I drooled. |
| 04:54.46 | mrpull-lt | levi: the 20 dell can be had for about 300 bucks and it is the same guts as the apple |
| 04:55.09 | mrpull-lt | my old mobo is socket 478, ddr400, no pci-e |
| 04:55.18 | mrpull-lt | so upgrade options stink right now |
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| 04:55.39 | levi | I think the one I saw was the 23" |
| 04:55.40 | mrpull-lt | the computer is only about 18 months old but feels horribly dated |
| 04:57.08 | levi | mrpull-lt: Heh, I regularly use a 1.2Ghz Athlon and P3-450. And a 1.2Ghz G4 iBook. I'm sure you'd find them all horribly dated, then. :) |
| 05:08.02 | mrpull-lt | other than the infrequent minidv -> dvd conversions, my 2.8GHz is underutilized |
| 05:23.36 | mrpull-lt | levi: I had a 600MHz Thinkpad that I wish i would have never sold |
| 05:24.01 | mrpull-lt | this new laptop doesn't feel any faster despite having much higher specs |
| 05:24.09 | mrpull-lt | (slow disk kills me) |
| 05:24.12 | levi | I don't think I'd have regretted it if I'd sold my Sony Picturebook when it was worth something. |
| 05:24.30 | levi | That was a colossal waste of money. |
| 05:24.46 | mrpull-lt | i've never met a sony laptop i liked |
| 05:25.55 | mrpull-lt | 5 hours of battery life in this machine is nice tho. The thinkpad struggled to get 30 minutes toward the end. |
| 05:26.29 | levi | I liked the form factor, but the screen was too constraining, the Transmeta CPU was just too slow, and the disk died, and was also too slow. |
| 05:27.30 | levi | Later picturebooks had higher-res screens and faster CPUs and more RAM. It took some custom memory module, so it was hard to upgrade. |
| 05:31.06 | levi | maquis: Heh, check this out. I used to actually write programs in this heinous language: http://www.ravenblack.net/programs/scrabule.txt |
| 05:31.36 | maquis | wow! it's a scrabble board! |
| 05:32.05 | maquis | that's cool! |
| 05:32.30 | maquis | it's our family game |
| 05:33.34 | levi | It's a scrabble board... in MUSH code. |
| 05:35.25 | levi | MUSH code is like the deformed bastard child of a primitive Lisp and some nasty gargoyle. It's a totally and completely loathesome language. |
| 05:36.31 | levi | Yet MUSH lives on. I don't understand it. |
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| 05:54.08 | levi | maquis: I've been wasting time browsing around more of that ravenblack.net site. That guy's weird. |
| 05:55.08 | findlay | if you put the apple decal on the dell monitor, does that make it an apple? |
| 05:57.41 | levi | maquis: He's legally named Raven Black, and he's got a weird crow/raven fixation. |
| 05:58.18 | mrpull-lt | findlay: no. but you could buy a couple ipods with the money you save |
| 05:58.39 | findlay | you guys all missed out |
| 05:58.41 | mrpull-lt | or most of the cost of a mini |
| 05:58.53 | mrpull-lt | findlay: on what? |
| 05:59.03 | tensai | mrpull-: I haven't been impressed with my vaio either |
| 05:59.05 | findlay | I just came back from the best Mesiah performance I've ever been in |
| 05:59.12 | findlay | at the Provo Tabernacle |
| 06:00.25 | mrpull-lt | findlay: everybody sing (scream) along? |
| 06:01.39 | findlay | couldn't really here it except for the "Halleluja" and "Worthy is the Lamb" choruses, since everybody knows those |
| 06:02.51 | findlay | you can keep your mini, though. I'm happy with my new athlon-64 (: |
| 06:03.07 | maquis | levi: that's interesting |
| 06:03.32 | maquis | well... if my name was raven, i suppose i would have some sort of fixation on ravens |
| 06:03.43 | maquis | unless that's a name that he picked for himself later in life, i s'pose |
| 06:04.00 | findlay | and Provo city paid me for my services (: |
| 06:06.02 | levi | maquis: I'm pretty sure he renamed himself. |
| 06:06.46 | findlay | did you know Poe's famous is inspired by a character in a Dickens book? |
| 06:06.51 | maquis | levi: ah... |
| 06:07.11 | findlay | so Dickens caused the existence of a football team |
| 06:07.30 | findlay | and people think Dickens isn't applicable today |
| 06:07.36 | levi | findlay: Poe's famous what? |
| 06:07.42 | findlay | what? |
| 06:07.44 | findlay | oh |
| 06:07.50 | findlay | Poe's famous poem |
| 06:07.54 | levi | Ahh. |
| 06:08.59 | levi | If people didn't think Dickens was applicable, they wouldn't make new versions of his Christmas story all the time. ;) |
| 06:12.35 | levi | By the way, I'm 11 pages into my paper on the deficiencies of the C language. |
| 06:15.51 | levi | So far, I've covered deficiencies in building abstractions (no objects or closures, no polymorphism, no modules) and lack of safety (unsafe type system, no bounds checking), and I'm about to move on to its poor support for concurrency. |
| 06:16.41 | xbmodder | hey |
| 06:19.38 | xbmodder | that was fun. |
| 06:25.45 | findlay | levi: compared to it's older contemporaries, it was probably pretty good |
| 06:26.15 | levi | findlay: Well, it had its virtues, yes. |
| 06:26.39 | levi | findlay: And it still has some compelling uses, which I will cover in my conclusion. |
| 06:29.22 | findlay | Dickens wrote 3 Christmas stories, I think |
| 06:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, has anyone setup a jabberd2 server before? |
| 06:30.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm having...issues with it, to put it nicely :) |
| 06:32.43 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: I opted to stick with jabber 1.x. that was over a year ago, it does everything we need. I've got no plans to upgrade. |
| 06:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, is it still supported/developed at all? |
| 06:34.41 | findlay | Where does an IM server differ form an IRC server? |
| 06:34.54 | tensai | I dunno. I kind of doubt it, but from where I sit it's feature complete. we just need a simple internal corporate IM and it works great. |
| 06:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just having issues with the (five!) different config files for the (five!) different daemons it needs |
| 06:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | All (five!) of them authenticate with each other with (five!) seperate users//passwords |
| 06:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Though you can set them all to the same (which I've done), it's still just being a pain |
| 06:37.35 | tensai | I've got 3 daemons, one for conference, one for user searching and one for everything else |
| 06:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | There's router, sm, resolver, s2s (server/server), c2s (client/server) for this one |
| 06:38.43 | levi | Interesting ACM Queue article on concurrency: http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=printer_friendly&pid=332&page=1 |
| 06:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Great, now c2s just...doesn't do anything. Yay. |
| 06:57.36 | mheath | Argh |
| 06:57.45 | findlay | isn't it argv? |
| 06:57.48 | mheath | Why does it seem like google's spam filtering has sucked lately? (at least for me) |
| 06:57.52 | mheath | gmail, that is |
| 06:58.04 | mheath | It hasn't been filtering out anything.. |
| 06:58.15 | findlay | mheath: are you getting a lot of spam from "info"? |
| 06:58.45 | mheath | findlay: No |
| 06:58.54 | mheath | I'm getting spam from porn sites |
| 06:58.58 | mheath | Ooh, and heres a favorite |
| 06:59.08 | mheath | I can get a remote control helocopter kit! |
| 06:59.40 | findlay | most of my spam comes from "info" and sadly it's all in Japanese, so nothing interesting at all |
| 07:00.30 | mheath | Ooh, I got a few Japanese things the other day |
| 07:00.40 | mheath | I can read like 20 characters in Japanese |
| 07:00.52 | mheath | I can read all katakana, but can't understand most of it |
| 07:01.16 | findlay | mheath: want to trade spam b0xen? |
| 07:01.18 | mheath | I can understand the structure of a sentence, but not what it's talking about, as my vocabulary in Japanese is rather limited |
| 07:01.38 | mheath | IE, I look at Japanese and see: "The ________'s ________ is __________ and ________"\ |
| 07:01.40 | Tene | ~spell candela |
| 07:02.02 | mheath | Tene: you spelt Mandela wrong :) |
| 07:02.10 | findlay | ~convert 1 candela to lumens |
| 07:02.23 | findlay | whatever |
| 07:02.36 | mheath | ~convert ibot to something better |
| 07:02.55 | mheath | :( |
| 07:03.14 | findlay | ibot: why |
| 07:03.16 | ibot | Because! |
| 07:03.23 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 07:03.25 | findlay | ibot: why??!@!!1 |
| 07:03.44 | mheath | Their used to be like 3 people there... |
| 07:04.01 | mheath | Then suddenly, they start scheduling me every night and for double shifts on the weekend. |
| 07:07.34 | findlay | ~scheduler |
| 07:07.36 | ibot | hmm... scheduler is http://www.uk.research.att.com/~jnw/downloadables/ |
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| 07:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | tensai, still awake? |
| 07:56.08 | bonez39 | ScytheBlade1, do you ever use xpdf? |
| 07:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I try not to :) |
| 07:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | kpdf :) |
| 08:01.54 | findlay | kpdf outstrips acrobate |
| 08:02.22 | findlay | it's got some way cool features |
| 08:03.19 | findlay | bonez39: have a question about xpdf? |
| 08:03.59 | ScytheBlade1 | time to sleep, night all |
| 08:05.02 | dna3e8 | how do you web brows in VIM |
| 08:05.24 | findlay | dna3e8: didn't know vim could browse the web |
| 08:05.36 | dna3e8 | Vim fanatic say so... |
| 08:05.52 | findlay | emacs probably can do something like it, I suppose, |
| 08:06.06 | dna3e8 | emacs is not on this system... |
| 08:06.17 | findlay | dna3e8: it's possible. ':! lynx www.google.com' |
| 08:06.35 | dna3e8 | what 'browsers' might be on a 'stripped' suse system? |
| 08:06.39 | findlay | but that puts your session on hold |
| 08:06.51 | findlay | text browsers? |
| 08:07.15 | findlay | do you have kde installed? |
| 08:07.23 | dna3e8 | no kde |
| 08:07.32 | findlay | try links or lynx |
| 08:07.40 | dna3e8 | there is x, mabey x11 |
| 08:08.15 | dna3e8 | no liynx |
| 08:08.28 | findlay | try lynx |
| 08:08.44 | findlay | it's the ubiquitous browser (-: |
| 08:09.19 | dna3e8 | we don't really have yast on this sysstem |
| 08:09.45 | dna3e8 | instlling lynx |
| 08:09.45 | findlay | you can always install a user copy of firefox |
| 08:10.01 | dna3e8 | user runns in x |
| 08:10.15 | findlay | or galeon/epiphany/mozilla/konqueror/whatever |
| 08:11.50 | bonez39 | findlay, well, yeah, I grabbed a book about Acrobat at the library this afternoon....I use xpdf most of the time if i receive a .pdf that I need to view.....I am curious if there is anything, other than acrobat that can manipulate, change, create and edit .pdf files.... |
| 08:11.53 | findlay | I know there are perl module(s) that can for all hypothetical purposes fake as a browser |
| 08:13.18 | findlay | bonez39: for creation there's gnu ghostscript. Lots (all?) of apps use it in the back end like openoffice and scribus |
| 08:13.37 | findlay | you can create any pdf you want |
| 08:13.41 | bonez39 | I love how OO can export directly to a .pdf .. |
| 08:13.48 | findlay | but editing is another story |
| 08:13.54 | bonez39 | so you are saying Ghostscript will create a .pdf too... |
| 08:14.14 | findlay | yes, it's the back end engine that most apps use |
| 08:14.39 | findlay | there's even a windows program that uses it to convert word files, etc. |
| 08:15.11 | bonez39 | windows uses ghostscript? |
| 08:15.16 | findlay | anything that can be sent to a printer can be configured to use ghostscript's printer device and emit a pdf |
| 08:15.28 | bonez39 | one doesn't launch ghostscript though, per se, right? |
| 08:15.35 | findlay | bonez39: rather ghostscript has been ported to windows |
| 08:15.40 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 08:15.43 | findlay | you can |
| 08:15.52 | findlay | 'gs' |
| 08:16.00 | findlay | or 'gs file.pdf' |
| 08:16.18 | findlay | gs can do some low level pdf manipulation |
| 08:16.40 | findlay | a utility that does a little more I've found is called pdftk |
| 08:16.58 | findlay | http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ |
| 08:18.33 | findlay | scribus is a paste-up type of editor as opposed to a typical word processor like oowriter |
| 08:21.14 | findlay | dna3e8: if you're needing a browserfor your OIT cron authentication scheme, lynx/links is the best way to go |
| 08:23.49 | bonez39 | findlay, never heard that term...'paste-up'... |
| 08:25.00 | findlay | it's some kind of way of differentiating document editors as opposed to type-up or whatever |
| 08:25.25 | findlay | it means the editor focuses more on customized layouts then running text |
| 08:28.06 | bonez39 | clearly.. |
| 08:28.27 | bonez39 | I am no scribus pro, but I know it's for desktop publishing.......more control than oowriter, as you said..... |
| 08:34.15 | findlay | bonez39: now that I have resolved your pdf issues, will you give me a back adjustment? (-: |
| 08:35.32 | findlay | not that I really answered your question, though ): |
| 09:01.48 | bonez39 | findlay, well, you are helping me think about what I need to do.....sure... aren't you in Midvale here? |
| 09:02.34 | bonez39 | sorry, I was afk for a bit |
| 09:06.21 | bonez39 | anyone else up< or all sleeping now? |
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| 09:43.21 | findlay | bonez39, no I moved to Provo in the fall |
| 09:45.59 | bonez39 | findlay, well, next time you are here in Sandy, if you'd like a tune-up, please...be my guest....;) call and I'd be happy to adjust you |
| 09:47.29 | findlay | bonez39: thanks (: |
| 09:51.19 | bonez39 | welcome |
| 09:51.35 | bonez39 | findlay, what is it you do in Provo? |
| 09:51.51 | findlay | I just live there |
| 09:52.05 | findlay | but I work in Springville and go to school in Orem |
| 09:52.32 | bonez39 | ah.....I see....do you work with Hans? |
| 09:53.28 | findlay | no, I work in a bindery. I don't know what Hans does, but it's got to be better than what I do |
| 09:53.49 | findlay | I thought hans is in New Mexico now |
| 09:56.30 | bonez39 | a bindery....cool |
| 09:56.46 | bonez39 | I used to work....well, I worked the whole time, at BYU....5 years..in the Lee Library.... |
| 09:57.11 | findlay | we print the Y book |
| 09:57.14 | bonez39 | used to hang out in the bindery upstairs...watching them repair and build books....out of really nice leathers.....and various papers.... |
| 09:58.01 | findlay | almost all of the stuff we bind is perfect bound or saddle stiched softcover books |
| 09:58.40 | findlay | mostly phone books, some government info booklets, etc. |
| 09:59.04 | bonez39 | interesting... |
| 09:59.49 | bonez39 | we had, my wife had an old family Bible...that was wearing...we took it to an older gentleman in Murray who does binding and restoration....was about a hundred bucks..but it came back brand new.....all restored...so beautiful... |
| 09:59.52 | bonez39 | all tight.... |
| 10:02.08 | findlay | there really are some neat niche professions out there that command a lot of skill, attention to detail, and artistry |
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| 11:53.15 | mheath | agh, thats horrible! That bible must not have been that old.... |
| 11:53.21 | mheath | We have an old family bible |
| 11:53.28 | mheath | It's been in our family for over a century |
| 11:53.48 | mheath | I could never go and get it rebound...ugh. |
| 11:56.24 | mheath | It's got this beautiful leather binding |
| 11:56.35 | mheath | and yeah, its falling apart, but theres too much history in that.. |
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