| 00:01.30 | jlp_work | maquis: weren't patents supposed to be for innovative inventions (i.e., not obvious ones)? |
| 00:02.47 | maquis | jlp_work: that's what i thought |
| 00:03.12 | maquis | i was rather startled by the fact that the US District Court sided with MercExchange |
| 00:04.31 | jlp_work | the patent office needs serious help |
| 00:05.19 | jlp_work | it's become a real money making strategy to find some idea (a minor variant on some other idea, such as MercExchange saying that a picture had been taken with a digital camera) and put in a patent application for that |
| 00:05.35 | jlp_work | then you wait for someone to actually implement the idea (after coming up with it on their own, of course) |
| 00:05.42 | jlp_work | then you sue them |
| 00:05.56 | jlp_work | you don't actually make any money on the idea itself, just the suit |
| 00:06.02 | jlp_work | broken |
| 00:06.03 | maquis | grrr |
| 00:06.05 | maquis | stupid |
| 00:10.21 | jlp_work | so, of course, the way around it is to patent a bunch of basic "obvious" ideas and just keep them on tap, then when you get sued, figure out which of your multitude of patents apply to the person suing you's product/business plan/idea and tell them you're going to sue them, or they can drop their suit and sign some kind of "patent sharing" contract with you |
| 00:10.41 | phinux | Question. If I build something before someone else patents it, can they still sue me? |
| 00:10.53 | RyanE | except this doesn't work when you're being sued by a patent holding company that doesn't produce anything. |
| 00:11.28 | jlp_work | no, but their patent is effective from the date they FILED the patent, not when it was granted, so it is possible that you invented the same thing after they filed but before it was granted |
| 00:11.41 | jlp_work | well, actually, yes, they can still sue you |
| 00:11.42 | RyanE | and nothing stops them from suing you in any case. |
| 00:11.47 | xbmodder | fuun fun fun |
| 00:12.01 | xbmodder | basically the ultimate hate on innovation |
| 00:12.03 | phinux | Right, but would they have a leg to stand on? |
| 00:12.08 | jlp_work | and if they have more money than you, it is likely you will have to drop out of the suit/capitulate before they do |
| 00:12.11 | xbmodder | or making ideas comes into a dreamer's brain |
| 00:12.11 | RyanE | if you have prior art before they file the patent, you can keep them from getting the patent (sometimes), but once they have it, they can sue. |
| 00:12.22 | xbmodder | or an extortionists |
| 00:12.30 | RyanE | and having prior art after the patent is granted doesn't generally help much. |
| 00:12.44 | RyanE | (imho, ianal, etc.) |
| 00:13.10 | jlp_work | prior art can invalidate a patent, but in practice, it's so expensive to fight a patent suit that people/companies don't bother, they just license the patent and go on |
| 00:14.35 | maquis | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/28/sony_rootkit_author_.html |
| 00:14.41 | maquis | ^^^ hehehe |
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| 00:16.23 | xbmodder | yeah :( |
| 00:16.30 | jlp_work | yes, the things you say in mailing lists/usenet postings can come back to haunt you |
| 00:16.38 | maquis | :) |
| 00:16.41 | xbmodder | If you could add one feature to your IRC client what would it be? |
| 00:17.03 | jlp_work | I've checked (googled myself) and I don't think I've ever said anything really stupid in a public forum (so far :-) |
| 00:17.03 | maquis | xbmodder: mind-reading? tab-completion of whatever word i happen to be thinking at the moment |
| 00:17.57 | jlp_work | xbmodder: I would like a marker of some kind that knows when I stopped looking at the window so I know when to stop scrolling back when I want to catch up (and I just found that xchat2 has it(!) when fooling around with it last night) |
| 00:19.03 | maquis | jlp_work: good pointnn |
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| 00:20.13 | jlp_work | if I was talking, it's easy, I just look for my last comment, but if I've just been lurking (like I usually do), it's painful. xchat2 has this nifty little red line that you can reset when you catch up (I'd like to be able to drag it, in case I don't catch all the way up at once) |
| 00:21.53 | jlp_work | you writing your own client, xbmodder? |
| 00:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | jlp_work, how do you toggle that little red line? I've always wondered |
| 00:25.21 | jlp_work | it's in the preferences somewhere to turn it on, you hit C-M when you are "up to date" and it removes it |
| 00:26.41 | jlp_work | Preferences -> Text box -> Show marker line |
| 00:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Gah. I've checked the box, but nothing. |
| 00:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | huh, there it went |
| 00:32.17 | jlp_work | watch it as other people type |
| 00:32.28 | jlp_work | pretty cool, ehh? |
| 00:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, just not how I expected it to work ;) |
| 00:33.33 | jlp_work | yeah, I don't really need it there while I'm actually focused on the window... it would be nice if it noticed when it lost focus and started keeping track then |
| 00:33.54 | jlp_work | and had a little scrolly bar knob on it so you could drag it around |
| 00:33.59 | jlp_work | (some people are never satisfied :-) |
| 00:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I sense a bug |
| 00:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a PM that it highlighted from two days ago |
| 00:34.40 | ScytheBlade1 | saying that I didn't read the last three lines |
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| 00:56.22 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:04.32 | maquis | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39261 |
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| 02:04.05 | hans | sheesh. so my midterm project didn't work properly. the good news: we have the chance to fix it. |
| 02:04.35 | hans | the bad news: it wasn't my bug. my only faults were trusting the code framework we were given and not testing enough |
| 02:11.45 | jsmith | Yuck |
| 02:11.48 | jsmith | Gotta hate that... |
| 02:13.01 | hans | I sort of deserve it - I cut corners (specifically not testing very well), and it didn't really lower my grade all that much, since the project was only 1/5 of the midterm |
| 02:13.04 | hans | but still |
| 02:15.09 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, what was the projecT? |
| 02:15.32 | hans | answer set planning |
| 02:15.35 | hans | (AI) |
| 02:16.08 | xbmodder_lappy | fun |
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| 02:16.24 | hans | somewhat. not as fun as other AI stuff |
| 02:16.32 | jsmith | So, not to pour salt on your wounds, but what exactly broke? |
| 02:17.17 | hans | one of the functions provided was is_executable, which is used by the framework to test correctness |
| 02:17.47 | hans | the is_executable thing is only a partial answer, and the "test" is therefore not correct |
| 02:18.01 | hans | and I saw it being used and figured I could use it to, so my code uses it |
| 02:18.15 | hans | so naturally my code passed the "test" (because they're broke in the same way) |
| 02:19.49 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 02:26.28 | hans | cool, looks like I get to ta a UI design class next semester |
| 02:27.02 | hans | unfortunately, it looks like I also get to TA the word/excel/powerpoint/VB class again |
| 02:30.45 | jsmith | Double yuck. |
| 02:31.30 | hans | wow, this ui class is taught by a cognitive psychologist |
| 02:31.55 | jsmith | The UI design class? |
| 02:31.58 | jsmith | That's scary... |
| 02:31.59 | hans | yeah |
| 02:32.16 | hans | well, he's been studying HCI since 1981 |
| 02:32.22 | hans | http://crl.nmsu.edu/Staff.pages/Technical/ogden.htm |
| 02:32.23 | brac | [CRL Personnel: Bill Ogden] |
| 02:33.03 | jsmith | Since 1981? That's gotta warp a guy... |
| 02:33.14 | hans | wonder what he thinks of gnome. :) |
| 02:33.44 | jsmith | Probably hates it. |
| 02:34.15 | jsmith | (It's not as user-friendly as say, uh... well... uh... NeXTStep?) |
| 02:34.59 | hans | preemptive strike |
| 02:35.23 | jsmith | Cool... nice to know you're a republican :-) |
| 02:36.11 | hans | oh great, the compiler class I was looking forward to taking is not a compiler class after all. it was mislabeled. |
| 02:37.17 | jsmith | Yuck... I had that problem once. Cost me a whole semester. |
| 02:37.41 | hans | i wonder if I can take the course I'm TAing. |
| 02:38.14 | hans | ~shake jsmith |
| 02:43.34 | jsmith-wandered- | Boo, that's no fun |
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| 03:33.42 | maquis | anyone here that'd be willing to help with some router-troubleshooting? |
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| 03:34.36 | maquis | i can plug my computer directly into the cable modem, and i've got internet fine |
| 03:34.39 | jsmith-away | maquis: I can try... |
| 03:34.41 | jsmith-away | OK. |
| 03:34.53 | maquis | but, if i plug the router into the cable modem, then the computer into the modem, i get nothing |
| 03:35.12 | maquis | and if i go to the router admin page, that page claims that there'sn o connection |
| 03:35.41 | maquis | i called comcast to ensure it's not anything at their end... |
| 03:35.46 | spr | have you told the router to release and renew it's dhcp lease? |
| 03:35.51 | vontrapp | don't you mean the router to the modem and the computer to the router? |
| 03:36.03 | maquis | spr: i've restarted the router a few times... powercycled it twice, etc |
| 03:36.07 | maquis | is there something else i need to do? |
| 03:36.11 | xbmodder | Can you do refferrer spoofing in javascript? |
| 03:36.22 | maquis | the computer to the router does fine... i can get to the router-config page |
| 03:36.24 | xbmodder | maquis, why don't you make your computer the router? |
| 03:36.38 | maquis | xbmodder: my desktop doesn't have a wireless card |
| 03:36.44 | maquis | and i don't know how to do it |
| 03:37.42 | xbmodder | maquis, its pretty easy -- I think about 3 iptables rules iirc |
| 03:37.50 | spr | maquis, power cycling doesn't ensure dhcp renewal. It should be a option in one of the setting pages |
| 03:38.31 | maquis | spr: if i tell it to restore factory default settings, will it do it? i odn't see anywhere here to tell it to do that |
| 03:38.37 | maquis | (it's an old belkin router...) |
| 03:38.56 | vontrapp | probably on a status page or something like that |
| 03:39.56 | maquis | vontrapp: i'm on the status page... i'm not sure where it is, thogh |
| 03:41.24 | vontrapp | what kind of router? |
| 03:41.48 | maquis | belkin... about 3 years old or so? |
| 03:42.06 | maquis | the only IP address it claims to have is 192.168.2.1 |
| 03:42.20 | maquis | it says it doesn't see any type of connection to the cable modem |
| 03:43.45 | maquis | the router worked fine 2 weeks ago, when comcast turned off our cable |
| 03:43.55 | maquis | now that the cable's back on, it's refusing to work |
| 03:44.22 | maquis | i'm beginning to wonder whether i should just go get a new router, since this one probably could use replacing |
| 03:47.18 | maquis | hmmm |
| 03:47.37 | maquis | the tech support number on the back of the user manual is now in use by the HR dept for some other company |
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| 03:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Just when I was beginning to have faith in my school newspaper, this comes: |
| 03:59.01 | ScytheBlade1 | " There are many sources to download music legally. For around $20, a person can download the program called Limewire. Limewire helps people get the music they want to hear without buying the whole CD full of songs they might not like. ?I like it because I get to choose what I listen to,? said sophomore Toni Dilmore. There is no charge per song. |
| 03:59.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Limewire is one of the many legal programs, but just because it?s legal it doesn?t mean that the program isn?t harming the artists or record companies. The sales from the computer company cut some of the profit for the record labels and artists." |
| 04:01.12 | mrpull-lt | ScytheBlade1: where is your school? |
| 04:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | South Jordan. |
| 04:01.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That was posted online first, so I have access to it before it hits print (as I helped write the script they use) |
| 04:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So......they're working on stopping that from being distrubted now :) |
| 04:12.03 | maquis | -lart belkin |
| 04:14.55 | mrpull-lt | maquis: how did belkin fail you? |
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| 04:20.57 | maquis | mrpull-lt: really old router is not playing nicely |
| 04:21.38 | mrpull-lt | spring for a linksys wrt54G |
| 04:21.57 | maquis | mrpull-lt: i'm really looking at that option right now |
| 04:23.15 | mrpull-lt | i need to pick up a second one. the one I have is set up as a wireless client. (to bring wireless to my entertainment center) |
| 04:23.48 | mrpull-lt | i'm fed up with the actiontec modem qwest sold me. |
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| 04:31.41 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:33.22 | hans | hey levi |
| 04:33.33 | levi | How's it going, hans? How was Thanksgiving? |
| 04:33.45 | hans | turkey-filled |
| 04:33.54 | hans | and delicious pecan pie |
| 04:34.07 | levi | Mmmm, pecan pie. |
| 04:34.25 | levi | We had pecan pie too, but it was Marie Callendar's pie. The pumpkin was homemade, though. |
| 04:34.40 | maquis | mmmm... pumpkin pie is my favorite |
| 04:35.19 | maquis | tensai: ping? |
| 04:40.10 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:40.11 | maquis | now it works |
| 04:50.25 | xbmodder | its cold. |
| 04:51.37 | Linoobux | true, xbmodder |
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| 04:52.49 | xbmodder | Linoobux, hows the weather? |
| 04:56.46 | Linoobux | cold, like you said... but I hope we get some killer snow this week |
| 04:57.02 | mheath | I don't o.o |
| 04:57.15 | Linoobux | :) |
| 04:57.27 | mheath | Just means I have to go out in the cold and brush the ice off my car |
| 04:57.28 | Linoobux | Well, I hope we at least get it in the mountains |
| 04:57.40 | mheath | I'll get my share of cold and snow during my training in December, thanks |
| 04:57.45 | mheath | I'd prefer a warm utah :D |
| 04:57.59 | Linoobux | that's true... come to think of it, I misplaced my ice scraper, too |
| 04:58.33 | Linoobux | I'm way excited to snowboard again, though |
| 04:59.01 | mheath | I'm worried about being warm enough for this training... |
| 04:59.10 | mheath | I really need to get ECWCS stuff, but it's *expensive*! |
| 04:59.27 | Linoobux | ECWCS? |
| 04:59.49 | mheath | Linoobux: Extended Cold Weather Clothing System. For BDUs. |
| 04:59.58 | mheath | (Military camoflauged cold weather clothing) |
| 05:01.20 | Linoobux | so you test them or design them? |
| 05:01.30 | mheath | O.o |
| 05:01.31 | Linoobux | or are you in the armed forces |
| 05:01.37 | mheath | I *wear* them |
| 05:01.41 | mheath | Linoobux: Sort of :P |
| 05:02.18 | mheath | USNSCC, soon to be USN. |
| 05:02.41 | Linoobux | right on |
| 05:02.48 | tensai | maquis: pong |
| 05:03.51 | mheath | I'm going to an arctic climate tactical field training evolution in December |
| 05:03.59 | mheath | In Flagstaff, Arizona |
| 05:05.10 | maquis | tensai: nm |
| 05:05.28 | maquis | my router started playing again, so, i think i can wait until after christmas to get a new router |
| 05:05.31 | tensai | levi: mmm, pumpkin pie. we had apple pie w/ apples from a friend's tree. I've never had pecan pie. what's it like? |
| 05:05.54 | mheath | Syrupey :P |
| 05:05.57 | levi | tensai: It's like crushed pecans in syrup. :) |
| 05:05.59 | tensai | maquis: I'll route the packets for you. what are your IPs? |
| 05:06.07 | mheath | =D |
| 05:06.15 | levi | tensai: Topped with whole, toasted pecans. |
| 05:06.19 | maquis | tensai: i'm getting things for the moment |
| 05:06.23 | tensai | is like a bowl of nuts in a crust? |
| 05:06.23 | maquis | but thakns |
| 05:06.33 | maquis | the main problem is, i have 3 computers and 1 internet connection |
| 05:06.44 | tensai | maquis: good. I was being facetious anyway. |
| 05:06.47 | levi | tensai: No, the crushed pecans absorb all the syrup and get soft. |
| 05:06.48 | tensai | ~spell facetious |
| 05:06.50 | mheath | maquis: Do you want one of my computers + my hub? |
| 05:07.14 | Linoobux | lol |
| 05:07.21 | Linoobux | "may" be spelled correctly |
| 05:07.39 | mheath | ~spell Linoobux |
| 05:07.47 | mheath | hahahahaha |
| 05:08.04 | mheath | Lunchbox :) |
| 05:09.21 | levi | Well, if you really meant facetiae, facetious would be an incorrect spelling. |
| 05:10.06 | Linoobux | hahaha |
| 05:10.13 | Linoobux | now everyone's going to be calling me lunchbox |
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| 05:10.27 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 05:10.30 | maquis | mheath: i think i've got too many computers at the moment... but if you're trying to figure out how to get rid of them, check stuporglue.org |
| 05:10.49 | levi | I'd never heard of the word before, actually, but it seems rather odd. It has an archaic definition, meaning humorous or witty sayings. It has a somewhat more recent but still dated definition, meaning pornographic literature. |
| 05:10.53 | mheath | Heath Computer Products (HCP)......hmmm :) |
| 05:10.57 | maquis | or wait til i graduate, and have some extra room |
| 05:11.41 | levi | I'm still trying to get someone to but my eMac. |
| 05:11.50 | mheath | Specs / How much? |
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| 05:13.01 | levi | It's the model from 2 years ago. 1Ghz, 512mb RAM, 40gb hard drive, Combo drive. |
| 05:13.49 | levi | And I'm asking $450. Apple sells a similar model (1Ghz, etc.) to schools for over $600. |
| 05:14.04 | mheath | Heh.. |
| 05:14.31 | levi | So do I, which is why I'm selling it. :) |
| 05:14.36 | mheath | Haha. |
| 05:14.38 | levi | Part of why I'm selling it, at least. |
| 05:14.39 | maquis | levi: if i had money/room, i'd be interested |
| 05:15.00 | levi | The other part is that I need to make room. :) |
| 05:15.09 | mheath | HCP |
| 05:16.06 | mheath | Asking the public for investments is not an option I'd want to take |
| 05:16.15 | mheath | Neither is getting a loan =D |
| 05:17.02 | mheath | Its not to the point where I'm evening realistically thinking about this, its too far down the road |
| 05:17.12 | mheath | But we're working on business plans in my entrepreneurship class.... |
| 05:17.12 | levi | Those are typically how people start businesses. |
| 05:17.27 | mheath | And I figured I'd do a plan related to what I want to eventually do |
| 05:17.28 | levi | Unless they happen to be independantly wealthy. |
| 05:17.40 | xbmodder | levi, PPC? |
| 05:17.51 | mheath | Which I am, in a fashon. |
| 05:18.00 | levi | xbmodder: What else would a 2 year old Mac be? |
| 05:18.06 | levi | mheath: It's often still wise to get a loan. |
| 05:18.12 | xbmodder | levi, which version of Apple Mac OS |
| 05:18.26 | levi | xbmodder: 10.3 |
| 05:18.44 | xbmodder | do you have the classic CD? |
| 05:19.08 | levi | xbmodder: Hmm. I might, I'll have to check. |
| 05:19.14 | mheath | levi: No one would loan me the amount of money I'd need to start this type of business |
| 05:19.31 | mheath | Unless I used the assets I'm referring to as collateral, anyway. |
| 05:19.33 | levi | It's still able to boot OS 9. New Macs can't anymore. |
| 05:19.58 | mheath | But Mac OS X has like 'Classic' or something, doesn't it? |
| 05:20.08 | mheath | IE, sort-of-simulated OS 9 mode, without botting into OS 9? |
| 05:20.13 | levi | mheath: I dunno, people loan out lots of money for crazy business ideas. |
| 05:20.32 | levi | mheath: Yes, Classic mode is still supported in OS X. |
| 05:21.07 | mheath | levi: Meh. It'd be easier to just build a couple of cabins, subdivide part of our ranch, and sell 60 acres for a couple million. |
| 05:21.09 | levi | Classic mode is basically a virtualized system, somewhat like vmware, but with its window system integrated. |
| 05:21.20 | xbmodder | mheath, how much? |
| 05:21.35 | xbmodder | mheath, but you have to have a copy of Mac OS X also |
| 05:21.55 | xbmodder | levi, do you have a link to a site with the system? |
| 05:21.58 | mheath | xbmodder: What do you mean, how much? |
| 05:22.00 | mheath | How much what? |
| 05:22.02 | xbmodder | like mac's support site |
| 05:22.13 | xbmodder | mheath, about how much money would you need? |
| 05:22.15 | levi | xbmodder: What do you mean, a site with the system? |
| 05:22.42 | mheath | xbmodder: Around a million. |
| 05:22.54 | xbmodder | mheath, and your 18 now? |
| 05:23.02 | mheath | Heh, around there, yes. |
| 05:23.11 | xbmodder | you want a million dollars at 18 years old... |
| 05:23.13 | xbmodder | ack. |
| 05:23.19 | mheath | No. |
| 05:23.22 | mheath | When did I ever say that? |
| 05:23.36 | levi | Who doesn't want a million dollars at 18 years old? ;) |
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| 05:24.12 | mheath | xbmodder: I said that I'm working on a business plan for a class, related to an actual business I plan to start *years* from now. |
| 05:24.19 | xbmodder | mheath, oh.. |
| 05:24.21 | xbmodder | mheath, cool. |
| 05:24.32 | xbmodder | levi, a model number? |
| 05:24.39 | xbmodder | anything more? |
| 05:24.52 | mheath | I will have access to those kinds of financial resources by then. |
| 05:25.12 | levi | xbmodder: Oh, hmm. Apple doesn't sell this model to the general public anymore, they're now education-only. Let me see if I can find a page that describes it, though. |
| 05:25.31 | mheath | levi: I know someone who might be interested, at those prices. |
| 05:25.56 | levi | mheath: Someone local? |
| 05:25.57 | mheath | levi: One of my teachers might be interested in purchasing it, for our yearbook publishing program. |
| 05:25.58 | mheath | Yes. |
| 05:26.06 | levi | I'd prefer not to ship it. |
| 05:26.13 | mheath | Ogden area. |
| 05:26.14 | levi | As I don't have the original box anymore. |
| 05:26.40 | levi | http://www.apple.com/education/emac/ |
| 05:26.41 | brac | [Apple - Education - eMac] |
| 05:27.35 | xbmodder | ah, cool, |
| 05:27.37 | mheath | levi: $450? |
| 05:27.42 | levi | mheath: Yup. |
| 05:27.44 | xbmodder | levi, btw: why are you selling it? |
| 05:27.51 | mheath | w/ keyboard, mouse right? |
| 05:28.04 | levi | mheath: Yes, the standard Apple keyboard and mouse. |
| 05:28.16 | maquis | xbmodder: he said it was because he wanted money and space, iirc |
| 05:28.18 | levi | mheath: With the original software CDROMs and everything. |
| 05:28.18 | mheath | levi: I'll mention it to him, see what he says |
| 05:28.20 | mheath | Thats a steal |
| 05:28.32 | mheath | and I know he's always looking for new macs |
| 05:28.41 | xbmodder | maquis, thanks |
| 05:28.43 | xbmodder | levi, hmm. |
| 05:28.57 | levi | xbmodder: I'm selling it because it's taking up space that will soon be occupied by a crib or dresser or some such baby furniture. |
| 05:29.06 | maquis | levi: yay! |
| 05:29.09 | mheath | levi: congrats |
| 05:29.14 | levi | Thanks. :) |
| 05:29.14 | maquis | that's an exciting reason to free up space! |
| 05:29.24 | mheath | You know, at times I think I'll never want kids |
| 05:29.28 | xbmodder | If you decide to lower the price I might look at it. |
| 05:29.34 | mheath | Then I hold my nephew |
| 05:29.45 | xbmodder | around 400... |
| 05:29.58 | mheath | he lays his head on my shoulder |
| 05:30.01 | mheath | cuddles with me |
| 05:30.03 | mheath | Kids are cute :) |
| 05:30.26 | xbmodder | Ergh. |
| 05:30.41 | mheath | I don't know how long it will be until I can even really think about getting married |
| 05:30.46 | levi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMac |
| 05:30.49 | xbmodder | I don't like little kids under 6.. beyond 6 there ok |
| 05:30.55 | mheath | I mean, starting next fall, I'll be out to sea so much.... |
| 05:30.57 | xbmodder | levi, col. |
| 05:31.03 | mheath | That wouldn't be good for a wife and/or family |
| 05:31.09 | maquis | levi: is this your first? |
| 05:31.16 | levi | maquis: Yup. |
| 05:31.22 | maquis | boy/girl? |
| 05:31.28 | maquis | when's it due? |
| 05:31.29 | maquis | etc |
| 05:31.33 | xbmodder | mheath, my dad was a sailer. my mom would go with him sometimes... they really hated it. |
| 05:31.38 | levi | maquis: Don't know yet, but we should in mid-December. |
| 05:31.46 | xbmodder | (at least my mom and sister) |
| 05:32.04 | maquis | levi: ah... so not due for a bit |
| 05:32.13 | levi | mheath: I served my mission in a Navy town (San Diego). It was hard on a lot of Navy families, but there were still a lot of them. |
| 05:32.21 | mheath | xbmodder: US Navy? |
| 05:32.23 | levi | maquis: Due in early May. |
| 05:32.32 | maquis | levi: hmmm |
| 05:32.40 | maquis | same time as a bunch of my friends around here |
| 05:32.49 | mheath | levi: Indeed. Thats why theres always a huge crowd when a ship comes in :) |
| 05:33.09 | mheath | BTW, if you ever want to see something cool when your in California or NYC, go watch a US Navy ship come in. |
| 05:33.44 | mheath | xbmodder: What was your dad's rate? |
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| 05:34.10 | xbmodder | mheath, sadly. no, a merchant marine... but he had to have 2 years of naval experience in india though before that |
| 05:34.35 | xbmodder | but no experience under US ships. |
| 05:34.57 | maquis | mheath: don't know about cali or nyc, but i can watch the abe lincoln (carrier) come in from my house in washington |
| 05:35.03 | maquis | it's really cool |
| 05:35.17 | xbmodder | maquis, thats cool. |
| 05:35.18 | mheath | well, any place =D (I just listed the most common ports) |
| 05:35.23 | maquis | :) |
| 05:35.38 | xbmodder | SFO was cool... |
| 05:35.50 | xbmodder | you gotta come to SFO during flight week |
| 05:36.06 | maquis | we're at the top of a cliff, and when the abe lincoln first came in after a *long* deployment a couple years ago, our whole neighborhood lined the cliff waving flags and such |
| 05:36.37 | mheath | You saw the sailors 'man the rails' then :) |
| 05:36.58 | maquis | yup |
| 05:37.20 | mheath | ~lart Utah's Lieutenant Governor |
| 05:37.48 | mheath | What a moron. |
| 05:38.00 | mheath | And that statement has *nothing* to do with politics |
| 05:38.04 | mheath | The guys just a moron |
| 05:38.42 | mheath | He came to the Navy Ball (US Navy birthday celebration) celebration for the Navy Reserve Center here in SLC |
| 05:38.47 | mheath | Guest of honor, etc. |
| 05:38.50 | mheath | He gave a speech |
| 05:38.57 | mheath | Kinda boring, but it was OK |
| 05:39.26 | mheath | He comes to the reserve center a few weeks ago during our monthly weekend training |
| 05:39.33 | xbmodder | levi, your deal is nice... |
| 05:39.39 | mheath | And he *gives the same speech* |
| 05:39.43 | mheath | To the *same people* |
| 05:39.47 | mheath | I don't get why he did that |
| 05:39.47 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:39.50 | maquis | that's not that bright |
| 05:39.52 | mheath | It left me confused |
| 05:40.11 | xbmodder | lol |
| 05:40.14 | levi | Maybe he was short on speeches. |
| 05:40.27 | maquis | i'll assume that if it was boring the first time, it probably didn't improve for the second time |
| 05:40.39 | mheath | Haha, yep |
| 05:40.51 | RyanE_away | mheath: wasn't it in the news recently, or did you already mention it in IRC? |
| 05:40.58 | mheath | Then he spoke again, after that, at the retirement ceremony for a Captain |
| 05:41.06 | mheath | RyanE_away: I might have mentioned it already |
| 05:41.14 | mheath | Something this lowkey wouldn't be in the news, I think |
| 05:41.43 | mheath | Military retirement ceremonies are another really cool thing to experience |
| 05:42.06 | levi | xbmodder: If you're serious about buying it, let me know. |
| 05:42.34 | mheath | http://www.lovethissite.com/oldglory/ |
| 05:42.35 | brac | [My Name Is Old Glory Flag Of United States] |
| 05:42.39 | mheath | They did this really cool presentation.... |
| 05:43.07 | mheath | They read that, set to some awesome music, while they did a big ceremony with folding and passing the flag (they always present officers with a US flag when they retire) |
| 05:43.29 | mheath | My dad has one that was flown on the white house, this captain got one flown on the USS Arizona |
| 05:44.15 | maquis | mheath: i knew a guy from church who served in WWII, vietnam, korea and something else... (i'm thinking the end of WWI, but i'm not sure)... |
| 05:45.06 | maquis | when he died a couple years ago, they had the flag draped over the coffin and everything for him. He was a really amazing guy! |
| 05:45.31 | mheath | Did he get the ceremonial color guard at his funeral? |
| 05:45.44 | maquis | i think that's what it was |
| 05:45.47 | mheath | Thats a neat thing. I want it when I die. |
| 05:46.03 | maquis | he was amazing |
| 05:46.16 | mheath | I was just reading about participating in a funeral guard, in the Marine Corps drill and ceremonies manual |
| 05:46.51 | maquis | for whatever his first war was that he served in, he actually lied and told the recruiters that he was a couple years older than he actually was, because he wanted to serve his country, and he wasn't old enough yet |
| 05:47.46 | mheath | My dad was in the military for a long time too |
| 05:47.53 | mheath | Though not as long as this gentleman. |
| 05:48.30 | maquis | i'm impressed by anyone who is able to give a large portion of their life to serve their country (and risk giving *everything* |
| 05:49.33 | mheath | maquis: I can tell you...Not many people go into the military thinking they're going to die, or even see a serious battle |
| 05:49.35 | mheath | but |
| 05:49.58 | mheath | Its amazing the valor and courage that the men and women of the US military can posses when it comes down to it. |
| 05:50.09 | maquis | mheath: but it's still a sacrifice to train and be willing to put the time in in service of your country regardless of whether you actually see battle |
| 05:50.22 | mheath | Indeed. |
| 05:50.39 | mheath | I'm very proud to consider all the men and women of the US Military to be my comrades. |
| 05:50.55 | maquis | from what i've heard, many of the people in the military could make better money in civilian work |
| 05:51.05 | mheath | Yes, very much so. |
| 05:51.11 | maquis | and they'd spend more time with their family |
| 05:51.12 | mheath | When I enlist, my pay will be $1,500 a month |
| 05:51.25 | levi | On the other hand, officers in the military get very nice retirement packages. |
| 05:51.39 | mheath | levi: not as nice as many civilian jobs |
| 05:51.41 | levi | And other benefits. |
| 05:51.51 | mheath | Keep in mind that retirement takes at least 20 years in the military. |
| 05:52.11 | levi | mheath: Well, not as nice as some. But half of base pay for the rest of your life isn't bad. |
| 05:52.13 | mheath | If you went to college and then spent 20 years working for the same private company, you'd get a nice retirement package to. |
| 05:52.14 | mheath | *too |
| 05:52.35 | levi | It's nearly impossible to work for 20 years at the same company anymore. |
| 05:52.36 | mheath | levi: Half of base pay? Where did you read that? |
| 05:52.42 | levi | mheath: That's what my dad gets. |
| 05:52.45 | mheath | Thats what my dad got, when he retired 15 years ago |
| 05:52.53 | mheath | They've done nothing but cut that amount since |
| 05:53.05 | levi | Well, perhaps it's not so nice anymore. |
| 05:53.05 | mheath | Its down to quite a bit less than half now, I belive, for new retirees. |
| 05:54.55 | mheath | The two jobs I'm looking at. |
| 05:55.40 | mheath | However, I've been thinking about that for months |
| 05:56.12 | mheath | The bottom line is, a lot of people, when they're actually sitting there with the recruiter at MEPs, choose a completely different job than what they originally planned on |
| 06:02.36 | maquis | mheath: quartermaster does the charts and navigation, right? |
| 06:02.42 | maquis | what's the boatswain's mate again? |
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| 06:07.01 | mheath | Train, direct, and supervise personnel in ship's maintenance duties in all activities relating to marlinespike, deck, boat seamanship, painting, upkeep of ship's external structure, rigging, deck equipment, and boats; take charge of working parties; perform seamanship tasks; act as petty officer-in-charge of picketboats, self-propelled barges, tugs, and other yard and district craft; maintain discipline as master-at-arms and police petty o |
| 06:07.01 | mheath | fficers; serve in, or take charge of, guncrews or damage control parties; and operate and maintain equipment used in loading and unloading cargo, ammunition, fuel, and general stores. |
| 06:07.53 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:08.07 | maquis | that one sounds more interesting to me... but then again, i can't navigate worth anything :) |
| 06:08.21 | mheath | Quartermaster is a little more than navigation |
| 06:08.37 | mheath | They act as helmsman a lot (stand watch at the helm) |
| 06:08.44 | mheath | They handle the main ships log on the bridge |
| 06:08.47 | maquis | but a quartermaster who can't navigate would probably be bad, right? |
| 06:08.53 | mheath | Probably :) |
| 06:09.38 | mheath | Plus Boatswain's Mates handle boarding procedures |
| 06:09.46 | mheath | You ever hear a Boatswain's Pipe? :) |
| 06:10.06 | maquis | nope |
| 06:11.19 | mheath | I bet you have :) |
| 06:11.27 | maquis | really? |
| 06:11.33 | mheath | http://members.aol.com/usn1861/theside2.wav |
| 06:11.36 | mheath | I hope thats a good clip |
| 06:11.44 | mheath | I don't have speakers on this computer |
| 06:12.23 | mheath | Thats from a site that has civil war era boatswain's pipe calls |
| 06:12.29 | mheath | But that one shouldn't have changed since then |
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| 06:13.15 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 06:13.23 | mheath | maquis: sound familiar? :) |
| 06:13.25 | RyanE_away | Hhhhhello. |
| 06:14.53 | mheath | http://home.earthlink.net/~bosun-m8/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/pipingtheside.mp3 |
| 06:14.56 | mheath | That's probably better |
| 06:15.06 | maquis | mheath: doesn't sound that familiar... |
| 06:15.24 | mheath | You haven't heard that in movies or anything? |
| 06:16.08 | mheath | It should be a stereotypically nautical sound =) |
| 06:16.52 | maquis | mheath: it sounds nautical, but i'm not sure that i've heard it in my memory |
| 06:17.03 | RyanE_away | maquis: try Star Trek. :) |
| 06:17.14 | mheath | Was it the same as that second clip? |
| 06:17.16 | mheath | Or similar? |
| 06:17.16 | RyanE_away | and any WWII movies you may have seen |
| 06:17.18 | maquis | RyanE_away: that's the best i can think of... but not in a nautical sense |
| 06:17.23 | Newsome | all right. That's it. Who left the open bag of M&Ms on the counter? |
| 06:17.25 | maquis | mheath: yup |
| 06:17.33 | maquis | Newsome: i'll eat them |
| 06:17.44 | RyanE_away | maquis: yes, ST, in a Nautical Sense. :) |
| 06:18.07 | maquis | Newsome: thanks :) |
| 06:18.17 | mheath | Thanks... |
| 06:18.22 | RyanE_away | Newsome: mine came through melted. :( |
| 06:18.49 | maquis | RyanE_away: it's not s'posed to melt til you put it in your mouth |
| 06:18.58 | Newsome | hmm, melt in mouth and computer, but not hand...I'll have to remember that |
| 06:18.58 | RyanE_away | hot laptop. |
| 06:19.13 | mheath | They don't melt in your hand |
| 06:19.19 | mheath | they just leave your hand odd colors |
| 06:19.20 | mheath | =) |
| 06:19.29 | maquis | never in her mouth, though |
| 06:19.40 | mheath | I'm too impatient to let them melt in my mouth. |
| 06:19.46 | mheath | argh |
| 06:20.14 | mheath | 6.5 months until I leave! |
| 06:20.48 | maquis | also, if you leave a bag of m&ms on the seat of the car while driving from seattle to utah in the middle of august, they melt.... |
| 06:21.08 | mheath | Though, I'm not looking forward to going through boot camp (again =P) |
| 06:21.53 | mheath | My involvement with this present program pretty much statistically guarantees I'll be made RPOC while in boot camp -_- |
| 06:24.10 | mheath | *RCPO |
| 06:24.10 | RyanE_away | maquis: Jr. Mints melted to your car upholstery is worse. |
| 06:25.05 | mheath | I don't want to be thrust into a leadership position again |
| 06:25.18 | maquis | RyanE_away: i would assume so |
| 06:25.26 | mheath | Especially there. I won't even have age going for me, like I did at this last boot camp trainig |
| 06:30.06 | RyanE | Does anyone know how I can send keypresses to a running X instance? |
| 06:30.19 | RyanE | I know LIRC does it, and I could probaby read it's code, but is there an easier way? |
| 06:31.15 | levi | There's an X extension called XTest or something with which you can send X events. |
| 06:31.57 | jsmith-away | RyanE: Dogtail might as well... |
| 06:32.53 | levi | http://www.gnu.org/software/xnee/www/index.html |
| 06:32.54 | brac | [Xnee] |
| 06:33.21 | RyanE | thanks, all. I'll check 'em out. |
| 06:33.28 | levi | Pretty much anything that sends X events like that is using the XTest extension. |
| 06:33.38 | levi | That's how synergy works as well. |
| 06:33.43 | Mecworks | Nice: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1450915772177922792 |
| 06:37.46 | Hhhhh | question: comcast is supposed to be up to 6 megabits or megabytes? |
| 06:37.49 | Hhhhh | per second? |
| 06:37.53 | Hhhhh | sorry for the n00b question |
| 06:38.24 | Mecworks | Most bandwidth is measured in megabits per/sec |
| 06:38.28 | RyanE | Hhhhh: most all of them rate by Megabit, not Megabyte. I'm not 100% certain of Comcast, though, b/c I don't have it. |
| 06:39.21 | Mecworks | ~seen jace? |
| 06:39.28 | ibot | Mecworks: i haven't seen 'jace' |
| 06:39.30 | Mecworks | ~seen Jayce^ ? |
| 06:39.31 | ibot | Mecworks: i haven't seen 'jayce^ ' |
| 06:39.43 | Mecworks | ~seen timr? |
| 06:39.45 | ibot | timr <~tim@81-178-106-56.dsl.pipex.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #freedesktop, 371d 16h 3m 26s ago, saying: 'hi all, I am trying to get fdclock translucent on my desktop - is this possible?'. |
| 06:40.13 | Mecworks | ~seen Jayce^? |
| 06:40.14 | ibot | jayce^ is currently on #utah |
| 06:40.34 | Mecworks | ~convert 72 inches to barleycorns |
| 06:50.03 | RyanE | BTW, the best answer to my own question is: 'X Automation', found by looking up XTest... http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html |
| 06:50.11 | RyanE | already compiled and working. :) |
| 06:51.29 | jsmith-away | Nice. |
| 06:51.39 | jsmith-away | Did you check out Dogtail by chance? |
| 06:51.42 | jsmith-away | Just curious... |
| 06:54.07 | RyanE | Dogtail looks like it uses Accessability technologies. |
| 06:54.16 | RyanE | I'm not sure what that includes, if XTest is included or not |
| 06:54.57 | RyanE | but I'm really looking for something minimal, I don't need the actual 'recording' or 'playback' functionality, so it looked like overkill compared to X Automation |
| 06:57.59 | levi | The Accessibility stuff seems to be a Gnome thing. |
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| 06:58.56 | levi | Doesn't seem related to XTest. |
| 07:00.03 | RyanE | levi: the FAQ says it should work with non-Gnome apps, though, if I remember what I read. |
| 07:00.07 | jsmith-away | It's supposed to work w/ Gnome, KDE, OO, and Mozilla apps |
| 07:00.22 | RyanE | I know that XTest is what LIRC uses, and that is really what I was interested in. |
| 07:00.52 | jsmith-away | ok |
| 07:00.55 | levi | I guess the other gui frameworks have all implemented the same accessibility spec, then, which is cool. |
| 07:05.02 | findlay | should I put my slashdot karma on my resume? |
| 07:05.13 | levi | Oh, certainly! |
| 07:05.32 | RyanE | findlay: all depends on where you're applying. |
| 07:05.34 | levi | (less competition for me in the job market! Woo!) |
| 07:05.40 | RyanE | hehe |
| 07:21.36 | levi | OK, finished with a paper. Time for me to sleep. |
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| 07:33.07 | dallred | hi |
| 07:34.14 | dallred | I just set up a linux box that is now betweent he wall jack and my computer I can't get my computer to connect to the intrenat now |
| 07:34.50 | dallred | The linux box is running DHCP on the card that is going to the old computer jsut fine |
| 07:35.56 | dallred | what other servises migh i need to set up to get the linux box to pass the network connectoion from one card to teh other |
| 07:36.22 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 07:36.57 | maquis | ~sleep maquis |
| 07:37.00 | ibot | ACTION sends maquis to bed without supper |
| 07:37.00 | dallred | Didn't meen to amke you mad.... :) |
| 07:37.11 | RyanE | dallred: you need to run IP forwarding on the box. There are tutorials for this |
| 07:37.14 | maquis | dallred: he's always like that |
| 07:37.23 | dallred | I think I am |
| 07:37.44 | RyanE | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/IP_Forwarding.shtml |
| 07:37.45 | brac | [IP Forwarding: Home Networks] |
| 07:37.46 | RyanE | like that. |
| 07:38.04 | RyanE | you have iptables rules to forward, and you've turned on forwarding in your kernel? |
| 07:38.09 | RyanE | should be only that, AFAIK |
| 07:38.15 | dallred | Yast... :D |
| 07:39.21 | dallred | I am running suse |
| 07:39.36 | RyanE | yeah, so you're running iptables? |
| 07:40.41 | dallred | I don't now (new to linux 3 hr including the install...) |
| 07:41.19 | RyanE | is it ONLY acting as a gateway? (not doing anything else)? |
| 07:42.11 | dallred | I dnot know how to tell... My old computer can ping the linux and get a lease |
| 07:42.57 | RyanE | dallred: this is a question of *your* intentions, not about your hardware. Do you only want the box to be a firewall / gateway, or have you installed Linux on it for another reason? |
| 07:45.04 | dallred | Right now I just wont the network to come out of the wall into one network card, then got to me old computer from the other card (no firewall etc) |
| 07:45.23 | dallred | It will be a small webserver for PHPgen in the future |
| 07:47.12 | RyanE | and have you installed iptables on this machine? (try typing iptables at a command prompt, logged in as root) |
| 07:49.38 | SpecialZ | dallred: Why do you want to share the internet connection from the linux box? |
| 07:49.53 | SpecialZ | Why can't you just plug both machines into the wall? |
| 07:52.00 | RyanE | SpecialZ: Although I didn't ask, I assume he likely only has 1 static IP address, since he wants to use this as a server, he probably wants to NAT the other boxes behind this one. |
| 07:53.08 | SpecialZ | I don't know if he mentioned here that he is in Heritage halls, so he's in resnet |
| 07:54.06 | RyanE | and resnet provides multiple IPs then? If so, yeah, that'd be much easier *and* smarter. :) |
| 07:54.10 | SpecialZ | Which is likely all 10.4 (BYU NATted) connections which require weekly authentication using a BYU netID. |
| 07:54.44 | SpecialZ | They won't give him a static IP address. |
| 07:54.52 | RyanE | "back in my day"... we didn't have no internets, other than gopher and email, and if you wanted to email someone in the UK, you had to type it backwards! |
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| 07:55.52 | RyanE | it took me 2 weeks of mailing letters back and forth to a friend in Scotland to figure out how to do the JANET email addressing properly. |
| 07:56.09 | *** topic/#utah by TimRiker -> http://www.devutah.com/geekdinners.htm Nov 30th 6-8pm || The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds | if you're looking to donate an old computer, check out stuporglue.org |
| 07:56.24 | TimRiker | http://www.devutah.com/geekdinners.htm <- geek dinner anyone? |
| 07:56.26 | brac | [Utah Geek Dinners] |
| 07:56.44 | RyanE | TimRiker: I've thought about RSVPing, but got to check it with the wife first. |
| 07:57.15 | TimRiker | RyanE: figured I'd RSVP first, and take myself off again if the wife objects. ;-) |
| 07:57.19 | SpecialZ | How often will these be taking place? |
| 07:57.27 | TimRiker | no idea. this is the first. |
| 07:57.32 | RyanE | hehe. Good Idea. |
| 07:58.07 | TimRiker | the number of C# folk on the list is a bit scary. |
| 07:58.11 | maquis | TimRiker: why did you have to stick it at the craziest point in the semester? |
| 07:58.25 | TimRiker | maquis: not my doing. =/ |
| 07:58.40 | maquis | TimRiker: oh... right... |
| 07:59.41 | TimRiker | a number of folk on the list that I've talked to online but never met. I wonder if any of them is interested in a GPG key signing? ;-) |
| 08:00.33 | maquis | followed by working on a group project |
| 08:00.34 | maquis | bah |
| 08:00.48 | maquis | ~sleep maquis |
| 08:00.52 | ibot | ACTION sends maquis to bed without supper |
| 08:00.58 | RyanE | TimRiker: do you know how many spots they have? |
| 08:01.04 | TimRiker | nope |
| 08:01.18 | RyanE | well, hopefully if you get in, since I'm the next one, I should get in. :) |
| 08:01.32 | RyanE | if I can find a babysitter. Wednesdays are bell night for the wife. |
| 08:02.17 | RyanE | in *my* album? |
| 08:02.26 | TimRiker | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/ |
| 08:02.44 | RyanE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/Day2/IMG_8341 |
| 08:03.21 | RyanE | Holy cow. Looking on the list of attendees, there's one of my roommates from BYU... Haven't seen him since. |
| 08:03.35 | TimRiker | don't recall meeting face to face. whack casey and craig for me next time you're in the office. |
| 08:04.36 | RyanE | which craig? Matsura? |
| 08:05.04 | RyanE | ok. I'll try to remember. |
| 08:05.26 | TimRiker | =) |
| 08:06.14 | RyanE | I'm actually not quite in their group. |
| 08:06.20 | TimRiker | # Matt Smith, Microsoft, Klingon .... perhaps a sales rep? ;-) |
| 08:06.47 | RyanE | they do core engineering of the system, I do integrated systems (partner product integration into the C4 System) |
| 08:08.14 | RyanE | I worked for Phast, but Eric had left a couple of months previous. He claims I was his CS142 TA, and that I was hard-nosed. |
| 08:08.36 | TimRiker | heh |
| 08:09.01 | RyanE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/Boondocks/IMG_8035 <-- Picture of Eric (and wife) |
| 08:09.44 | TimRiker | where/what is boondocks? |
| 08:09.46 | RyanE | there's a lot of Phast, Lineo and EmWare people at C4. |
| 08:10.26 | RyanE | Boondocks is a place east of I-15, close to the point of the mountain. They have climbing walls, two mini car race courses, etc. |
| 08:10.31 | SpecialZ | Those are some excited kids by the looks of them. |
| 08:10.33 | RyanE | tons of video games, etc. |
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| 08:11.08 | TimRiker | ah. cool. |
| 08:12.41 | RyanE | I think the closest we've come to meeting is that I almost bought one of those Linux Phones from you before you moved. |
| 08:12.57 | dallred | my network hicupped (I was tring to get help talking my new linux box into letting my old computer be on the network. The linux box has two ethernet cards, You were to estblish Ip forwarding. |
| 08:13.19 | RyanE | dallred: no, YOU were to establish IP forwarding. :) |
| 08:13.49 | RyanE | dallred: did you determine if you've got iptables installed? |
| 08:14.00 | dallred | thanks , uhmm how (sorry Im relly new to this) |
| 08:14.04 | RyanE | I'm not nearly as interested nowadays. |
| 08:14.09 | TimRiker | =) |
| 08:14.14 | RyanE | type 'iptables' (return) logged in as root on the box |
| 08:14.22 | RyanE | if you can't do that, you need more basic help, somewhere else. |
| 08:14.27 | TimRiker | dallred: try running iptables. ;-) |
| 08:14.28 | dallred | I don't think iptables is installed |
| 08:14.41 | TimRiker | ~rootshell iptables |
| 08:14.44 | ibot | root@blootbot:~# iptables bash: iptables: command not found |
| 08:16.00 | dallred | yes that is the error |
| 08:17.22 | dallred | apt-get not found... |
| 08:17.22 | SpecialZ | On SuSe? |
| 08:17.33 | dallred | on SuSe yes |
| 08:17.37 | dallred | :) |
| 08:17.38 | dallred | :D |
| 08:17.44 | SpecialZ | yast |
| 08:17.47 | dallred | yep |
| 08:18.22 | SpecialZ | You still haven't explained why you want to do this. |
| 08:18.36 | RyanE | SpecialZ: I think he got disconnected before that little discussion. |
| 08:18.43 | RyanE | you may want to hit him with it again. |
| 08:19.19 | SpecialZ | Why can't you just plug both machines into the wall? |
| 08:19.30 | TimRiker | yast --install iptables perhaps |
| 08:19.33 | SpecialZ | SpecialZI don't know if he mentioned here that he is in Heritage halls, so he's in resnet |
| 08:19.59 | dallred | I have two computers one 'wall port' both computer need the network, i 'saved' $10 getting a nework card instead of a switch! :) |
| 08:20.18 | RyanE | dallred: not the recommended way to do it. Should've spent the $10 |
| 08:20.34 | SpecialZ | Which is what I suspected in the first place. |
| 08:21.24 | SpecialZ | I'd reccomend getting an old hub from a BYU surplus sale for $5. |
| 08:21.53 | dallred | I don't think i want to wait that long... |
| 08:21.56 | RyanE | or ask on PLUG if someone has an old hub |
| 08:22.05 | RyanE | I'm sure someone has a spare. |
| 08:22.17 | dallred | ?plug? |
| 08:22.26 | RyanE | uug list then. |
| 08:22.31 | SpecialZ | I have an old hub you can borrow for the short term |
| 08:22.49 | dallred | when is the surpluss sale |
| 08:23.23 | Hhhhh | hmm, who was a CS142 TA? |
| 08:23.33 | SpecialZ | No one knows 'til Darrel has spoken. |
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| 08:23.45 | Hhhhh | cool, RyanE, when? |
| 08:23.49 | RyanE | only about a gazillion years ago |
| 08:23.57 | Hhhhh | I was one too in 2002 and 2003 |
| 08:24.03 | RyanE | '89 - '92 |
| 08:24.07 | Hhhhh | oh, wow |
| 08:24.10 | dallred | lol |
| 08:24.16 | Hhhhh | PAscal? |
| 08:24.18 | SpecialZ | judging by the 5 kids in the picture, a very long time ago |
| 08:24.23 | RyanE | hehe |
| 08:24.36 | RyanE | yeah. Pascal, and 143 when I started was Assembly on Apple II's |
| 08:24.42 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 08:24.48 | dallred | thinks of pickin up fortran |
| 08:24.54 | TimRiker | iirc yast firewall setup has masq support. It might just be a checkbox. I'm not on a suse box at the moment. |
| 08:24.56 | Hhhhh | I think they should teach C# with Mono in 142 now |
| 08:25.14 | Hhhhh | or VS.NET, I don't care |
| 08:25.31 | Hhhhh | prolly mono would be more instructive |
| 08:25.33 | SpecialZ | 142 is more or less a Windows class still. |
| 08:25.38 | Hhhhh | yea |
| 08:26.01 | SpecialZ | More of an overview of programming than a down and dirty crash course in Linux. |
| 08:26.02 | dallred | was timriker's commetn for me, 'cuz I don't understand it.. :| |
| 08:26.23 | SpecialZ | Run the GUI for YAST and install iptables |
| 08:26.28 | dallred | I did some machine on an apple II |
| 08:26.34 | TimRiker | dallred: the system setup utility "yast" seems to have support for sharing the internet connection. |
| 08:26.48 | TimRiker | I'm not on a suse box here though, so I can't walk you through it. |
| 08:27.02 | Hhhhh | hehe, I started in TI BASIC in a TI-994A |
| 08:27.13 | Hhhhh | when I was 7 |
| 08:27.45 | RyanE | I started in Integer Basic on the Apple II, in about '80 |
| 08:28.04 | TimRiker | RyanE: when the rest of the class was trying to write some characters to the screen (on the apples) I wrote a quicksort routine in assembly that I could bload and call from basic. |
| 08:28.19 | SpecialZ | BYU doesn't really have a linux instruction unit. They more or less expect you to pick it up sometime between CS235 and 240. |
| 08:28.26 | RyanE | TimRiker: hehe |
| 08:29.06 | TimRiker | I don't recall the professor's name, but he told me: "If you can get that to work, you don't need to do any of the other course work". |
| 08:29.41 | TimRiker | my dad used to keep the ward list on our apple. sorting it for home teaching, etc took forever. |
| 08:29.53 | dallred | opps I was not root... iptables |
| 08:30.24 | TimRiker | I started with a bubble sort in basic ran for about 18 hours. the final was the quicksort in assembly. That ran in 30 seconds. |
| 08:30.28 | dallred | back to the web page you gave.. |
| 08:31.17 | RyanE | TimRiker: about the most sophisticated thing I wrote on the Apple II was a phone dialer that used a MockingBoard sound generator to dial TouchTones *very quickly*. My brother and I used to win pizza off the radio weekly. |
| 08:31.29 | TimRiker | cool. |
| 08:31.57 | RyanE | first correct answer. one of us (6 roommates) always knew the answer, and we were *always* the first caller. :) |
| 08:32.25 | TimRiker | the first machine I used was an HP mini. Now I have a few in the basement. http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware/20050615_012504 |
| 08:32.57 | RyanE | so did you haul those out of state and back? |
| 08:33.17 | TimRiker | I picked them up in TX and brought them back with me. |
| 08:33.36 | TimRiker | about 1200 pounds all in my wife's explorer. |
| 08:33.57 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/hp2100/hp2108a-chaser.avi <- only one is running so far. |
| 08:35.25 | RyanE | so is that chaser a program running to 'chase' the lights, I assume? |
| 08:37.12 | TimRiker | yep. tht's it. about 20 words long (40 bytes) |
| 08:38.59 | SpecialZ | TimRiker: What are the capabilities / original purpose of all that junk? |
| 08:40.39 | TimRiker | SpecialZ: in 1970, that just was leading edge. 64k (bytes) of ram, card reader, paper tape punch and reader, teletype terminal, etc. |
| 08:41.32 | SpecialZ | What do all of those cards do then? |
| 08:41.40 | TimRiker | which cards? |
| 08:42.08 | RyanE | different cards, different functions. lots of RAM cards, I'd bet |
| 08:43.28 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2116a/20050417_003545 |
| 08:44.00 | TimRiker | in that shot, all the cards you see _are_ the computer. the top shelf is mostly drivers for the memory. |
| 08:44.33 | TimRiker | the middle shelf has the system registers (one card for each) and the DMA cards. (5 of them iirc) |
| 08:44.37 | SpecialZ | So if all those drives are intact, are you going to do some data mining? Get some SSN's? |
| 08:45.12 | TimRiker | the bottom is mostly open for expansion cards like serial and parallel ports. |
| 08:45.45 | RyanE | I'm sure the biggest expense has *got* to be the power... |
| 08:45.54 | TimRiker | SpecialZ: heh. the only data I'm likely to find is timing and sampling info for the laser it was once hooked up to. |
| 08:46.34 | TimRiker | RyanE: that one wants a dedicated 15A circuit. |
| 08:46.57 | TimRiker | it'll run on 110 though which is not so common on the older machines. |
| 08:47.32 | RyanE | yeah, even the '90's HP minis we used at my first job took 220 |
| 08:48.14 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware-hp2116a/20050426_004031 <- 230 pounds. about 2'x3'x19" |
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| 08:49.50 | TimRiker | well, I better sleep. perhaps we'll run into each other tomorrow. |
| 08:50.10 | RyanE | tomorrow? |
| 08:50.30 | RyanE | aha. this morning's tomorrow. |
| 08:50.30 | RyanE | :) |
| 08:50.31 | TimRiker | it is tuesday now. so dinner is tomorrow night. |
| 08:50.37 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 08:50.40 | RyanE | maybe so. later. |
| 08:50.48 | TimRiker | later. |
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| 08:55.32 | dallred | my network hicupped again... what was the iptables website again? |
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| 15:10.24 | dallred | how do i setup A duel-homed gateway |
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| 15:23.54 | dna3e8 | oh |
| 15:24.40 | dna3e8 | The suse manual 'defines 'what I am doing as a duel-homed gateway... |
| 15:25.15 | maquis | dna3e8: my guess is that they actually say "dual-homed" |
| 15:25.20 | maquis | ~duel |
| 15:25.21 | ibot | ACTION wonders who needs more help as xbmodder beats maquis severely with a ClueBat |
| 15:25.48 | maquis | a duel is when 2 people go out with guns and try to kill each other |
| 15:25.54 | maquis | i don't think you want to do that with your computers |
| 15:25.57 | dna3e8 | yes they do |
| 15:26.08 | dna3e8 | I almost want to |
| 15:27.26 | dna3e8 | You seem to think dual is a bad idea... |
| 15:28.04 | maquis | i think that just sticking a hub there is a lot easier, and at your experience-level, a much better idea |
| 15:28.34 | dna3e8 | *experiance what experience* |
| 15:28.39 | maquis | i've been using linux for quite a while, but i've never done what you're planning on doing... |
| 15:28.44 | maquis | exactly. |
| 15:28.58 | dna3e8 | do I need a cross over cable betweent he wall and the hub/switch |
| 15:29.37 | maquis | i don't think so |
| 15:30.07 | maquis | i use a router, generally, so i'm not 100% certain, but i know when uug sets up switches for the installfests, we just use a regular ethernet cord |
| 15:30.30 | maquis | if you're on-campus, call oit, and they'll set up a hub for you for free |
| 15:30.46 | dna3e8 | oh! thanks |
| 15:30.53 | maquis | you can use it so long as you're living there |
| 15:30.58 | maquis | that's what i did when i was in flsr |
| 15:34.16 | dna3e8 | (that is even cheaper) |
| 15:34.37 | dna3e8 | but ehy are not go ing to do it |
| 15:36.07 | dna3e8 | he talked with his supervisor and they donot fo that... :( |
| 15:36.12 | dna3e8 | *do |
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| 15:58.59 | hans | tensai: do you ever have problems with juk deciding to eat up all your RAM and swap? |
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| 16:14.35 | graphyx | Will the Plug meetings continue to be on Wednesday nights? |
| 16:14.47 | tensai | hans: nope, can't say I do |
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| 16:21.25 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:35.08 | CGI6535052 | account add msn hesham_farag88@hotmail.com simpsons88 |
| 16:35.10 | CGI6535052 | account on |
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| 16:36.27 | hesham | account add hesham_farag88@hotmail.com simpsons88 |
| 16:37.18 | levi | Stupid bots. |
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| 16:50.59 | tensai | levi: yeah, no kidding |
| 16:51.00 | tensai | Jayce^: will you ban i=nobody@xbmodder.us please? |
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| 16:52.09 | hatchmt | That hotmail account is actually someone's personal e-mail account - that's his login password. |
| 16:52.32 | jsmith | tensai: Such animosity! |
| 16:52.48 | tensai | hatchmt: wouldn't it be a shame if someone changed his password. *nudge* *nudge*, *wink* *wink* |
| 16:53.53 | Jayce^ | good idea.. he keeps doing that |
| 16:54.08 | jsmith | tensai: How's life in IF? |
| 16:54.39 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!nobody@xbmodder.us] by Jayce^ |
| 16:54.53 | tensai | jsmith: cold, but fine otherwise. just got $25k worth of servers in. how could I not be having fun? |
| 16:55.39 | Jayce^ | tensai, what kind of boxes? |
| 16:56.03 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, like Jayce^ asked -- what flavor of hardware goodness? |
| 16:56.35 | tensai | dell poweredge 2850 and powervault 220 |
| 16:57.12 | jsmith | tensai: Check out the Dell Deployment Toolkit for Linux, which just came out -- it'll make your job a lot easier. |
| 16:57.21 | tensai | I've got 3.5TB of disk in my office :) |
| 16:57.26 | Jayce^ | how are the 2850's, all our current one's are 1850's |
| 16:57.47 | jsmith | Jayce^: They're exactly the same, except for the number of disks. |
| 16:58.41 | tensai | Jayce^: I've only had them for 2 days, but so far I really like them. still haven't brought the arrays up because we're waiting on a raid card. |
| 16:59.26 | Jayce^ | you guys use the drac interface much? |
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| 16:59.34 | tensai | snappy little beasts. dual xeon 3.4ghz hyperthread. 6783.68 bogomips |
| 16:59.51 | tensai | never heard of it, so that's probably a no |
| 16:59.59 | Jayce^ | nice, ours are from last year, so 2.8's |
| 17:00.27 | orbit | tensai: Also known as ERA ports |
| 17:01.10 | orbit | Kinda like a lights-out card, lets you do remote reboot, remote console, etc |
| 17:01.28 | Jayce^ | the good old 'connect video' has helped me out plenty of times |
| 17:01.44 | tensai | nah, we're not that fancy |
| 17:02.28 | Jayce^ | tensai, worth the trouble of knowing when you have a remote kernel panic |
| 17:02.38 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, the DRAC is nice, but I prefer the iLO interface on the HP Proliants. |
| 17:03.06 | Jayce^ | jsmith, haven't used that one... the drac's have gotten less useful in newer versions.. |
| 17:04.37 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yup. |
| 17:10.13 | tensai | message from some network administrator: |
| 17:10.17 | tensai | Please investigate a TCP sweep of port 80 from the IP x.x.x.x and inform me of the results (account cancelled, user warned, etc). I will require this information in order to close the ticket on this activity. |
| 17:10.51 | tensai | oh, well if you /need/ it for /your/ ticket |
| 17:11.58 | graphyx | Jayce^: Wouldn't a serial cable do just as well? |
| 17:12.23 | Jayce^ | graphyx, quite a bit more than that |
| 17:12.31 | Jayce^ | the drac does quite a bit more than that |
| 17:12.36 | levi | http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/.Movies/SteveJobsSNL.mov |
| 17:16.28 | jsmith | graphyx: Can you see what's on the screen (graphics and all!) with a serial cable? |
| 17:17.06 | dn3e8 | My suse system is working now, thnks |
| 17:17.24 | levi | If you don't have any graphics on your server, you don't need to bother sending video out. :) |
| 17:18.22 | Jayce^ | serial cable doesn't help watch your bios/post/etc |
| 17:18.34 | levi | It does if you use LinuxBios. |
| 17:19.25 | Jayce^ | also, drac let's you do things like hard reset, power pull, etc |
| 17:19.40 | Jayce^ | drac and friends, I should say |
| 17:19.48 | levi | Yeah, I've read the IPMI 2.0 spec. |
| 17:19.59 | tensai | Jayce^: if it's a bios console redirect you can watch post |
| 17:20.42 | graphyx | jsmith: Yes. If the graphics are on the CLI. |
| 17:20.44 | levi | It does a lot of cool stuff, but IPMI has become a huge, complicated thing. |
| 17:21.10 | Jayce^ | levi, explaining the difference between a serial cable and whatever your flavor of remote management card |
| 17:21.25 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, watch the openipmi mailing list, and you're bound to be confused :-) |
| 17:21.44 | Jayce^ | now here's a sidenote for people to have fun with.. |
| 17:21.44 | Jayce^ | http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/experiment/00000109 |
| 17:21.53 | levi | Trying to find anything you need in the IPMI manual is enough to get thoroughly confused. |
| 17:22.04 | Jayce^ | saw that yesterday... we now have a couple of 2-liters and mentos to try it out at lunch today |
| 17:22.25 | levi | Jayce^: What did you mean by 'levi, explaining the difference...' etc. ? |
| 17:22.55 | levi | Were you asking me to explain? |
| 17:23.16 | dn3e8 | http://media.putfile.com/WizardsofWinter-SM |
| 17:23.39 | dn3e8 | some one had too much fun and time... :) |
| 17:25.28 | tensai | Jayce^: we used to do something similar in the dorms. drop a handful of salt into a glass of fresca and it'll boil over. |
| 17:25.32 | Jayce^ | levi, no, was mentioning what I was talking about, I was answering graphyx's question |
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| 17:26.52 | tensai | run for the hills! it's TimRiker! |
| 17:28.20 | levi | dn3e8: I'm sure the neighbors love that. :) |
| 17:32.29 | harleypig | dn3e8: That was cool! |
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| 17:45.23 | tensai | wow. fcc is going to tell congress that cable ala carte pricing is better for consumers. |
| 17:45.32 | Jayce^ | finally |
| 17:49.27 | jsmith | Not that it'll make any difference... |
| 17:50.08 | tensai | not for me. I'm happy with my antenna. |
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| 17:50.50 | jsmith | tensai: KIDK is the only IF station I remember... seems like you had a couple out of Pockey too, right? |
| 17:50.57 | tensai | now if I could subscribe to certain shows over the internet, I might go for that. |
| 17:51.23 | tensai | jsmith: we get 6 stations over the air (3 proclaim to be digital as well) |
| 17:51.41 | jsmith | Scary... |
| 17:53.05 | tensai | if I had to choose just one station, it would be PBS. luckily that's the one that comes in the best and is available in digital. |
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| 17:55.49 | levi | IF? |
| 17:55.56 | levi | Idaho Fallls? |
| 17:56.08 | levi | Er, scratch one of those ls. :) |
| 17:57.09 | tensai | levi: yup, I'm in Idaho Falls |
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| 18:10.08 | tensai | levi: I am so glad I learned how to make risotto. it's such a simple and lovely way to jazz up rice. I've got a bowl of bacon, mushroom and tomato risotto right here. mmmm. |
| 18:10.20 | levi | Mmmmm! |
| 18:11.09 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 18:12.07 | tensai | levi: I even sauted the onions in bacon grease for that ow-that-hurts-my-heart effect |
| 18:12.21 | levi | Ahh, bacon grease. :) |
| 18:12.55 | tensai | such a maligned oil. it's wonderful in soup. |
| 18:13.17 | levi | It's wonderful in a lot of things. |
| 18:13.23 | Jayce^ | tensai, it hurts so good |
| 18:13.28 | tensai | indeed |
| 18:13.45 | tensai | o/~ Come on baby, make it hurt so good. ~/o |
| 18:14.06 | Jayce^ | pancakes cooked with the bacon grease.... mmmmm |
| 18:14.10 | Jayce^ | on cast iron, of course |
| 18:14.29 | tensai | tonight I'm going to make some chipotle mayo |
| 18:14.40 | tensai | Jayce^: with jalapenos roasted on cast iron, of course |
| 18:14.46 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 18:14.57 | levi | I used some Le Creuset pans over Thanksgiving. They were very nice! |
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| 18:22.21 | tensai | Jayce^: I've got french toast and bacon on the menu this week. I think I'll try that in my cast iron skillet. |
| 18:22.53 | Jayce^ | what kind of bread you using? |
| 18:25.07 | tensai | 89 cent sandwich loaf |
| 18:28.44 | levi | I want some of these: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/297826/ |
| 18:29.01 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 18:29.41 | levi | enamelled cast iron. |
| 18:30.16 | tensai | since we're wishing, I want this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004R91I/ |
| 18:30.50 | levi | It's only $20, surely you don't have to wish very hard to get that. ;) |
| 18:32.22 | tensai | the problem is it's on a big list |
| 18:33.13 | tensai | I picked up a baguette pan at the local kitchen supply and it rocks |
| 18:33.15 | Bradipo | tensai: So do you bake the bread in this? |
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| 18:33.34 | tensai | Bradipo: yeah. gives it a nice round bottom |
| 18:33.41 | RyanE | I want this: http://www.secretservice.gov/money_portraits.shtml |
| 18:33.51 | tensai | it doesn't fold closed if you wondered (I did) |
| 18:34.04 | Bradipo | So its for two loaves? |
| 18:34.21 | tensai | up to two. if it was just one the pan would roll over. :) |
| 18:34.40 | Bradipo | RyanE: I'd rather have this: http://www.kitco.com/ |
| 18:35.20 | levi | Bah, you can't do anything useful with that. |
| 18:35.31 | Bradipo | Not really, its just a useless piece of metal. |
| 18:35.40 | Bradipo | Anyone care to get rid of it, let me know... |
| 18:35.50 | tensai | take it to the dentist, ask him to fill all your teeth |
| 18:36.01 | RyanE | enough of the one, you can get the other (in theory)... |
| 18:36.24 | Bradipo | I heard that a lot of people in the South carry their investments in their mouth. |
| 18:36.54 | levi | The only use for money is to purchase something. If you're wishing for something, why not wish directly instead of indirectly? |
| 18:37.13 | elg | tensai: so you've never had juk start eating cpu and ram until you run out of memory? |
| 18:37.21 | levi | You can't even easily purchase anything with gold. |
| 18:37.46 | Bradipo | levi: Not any more, this is true. |
| 18:37.52 | RyanE | levi: fair enough. Here's what I want: http://www.ericksonfamily.com/gallery/album01/HousePan082602_2 |
| 18:38.28 | levi | Now that's something worth wishing for. :) |
| 18:40.23 | tensai | elg: sorry, nope. it works fine for me. why don't you just send me your mp3s and I'll listen to them for you. |
| 18:40.47 | elg | wierd. I get all the bad luck I guess |
| 18:41.07 | elg | I'm more intrigued by the fact that my kernel seems to lack the OOM killer |
| 18:41.09 | tensai | RyanE: I don't get it. is your mother-in-law under the house? |
| 18:41.25 | levi | RyanE: I want one of those, too. |
| 18:46.08 | levi | RyanE: How big is the lot? |
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| 18:50.50 | RyanE | levi: .92 acres. |
| 18:51.32 | RyanE | we bought the lot and sat on it for a couple of years before we built, so it was paid off by the time we finished the house. |
| 18:51.36 | findlay | ~convert 0.92 acres to square parsecs |
| 18:53.35 | RyanE | tensai: actually my mother-in-law is on a mission in upstate NY, but we like her even when she's here. |
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| 18:54.34 | tensai | RyanE: and actually I like my m-i-l as well |
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| 19:15.53 | harleypig | Wow ... that mentos and soda thing really works! |
| 19:16.09 | Jayce^ | diet shasta cola went >8' high |
| 19:16.11 | harleypig | It was pretty dang cool ... now its time to waste a bunch of soda |
| 19:16.25 | Jayce^ | hence the 'diet shasta' |
| 19:16.30 | Jayce^ | not a real waste |
| 19:16.58 | harleypig | true ... but I've got to see what it does with pepsi, coke, sprite ... etc. :> |
| 19:18.26 | sjansen | ~attack Jayce^ |
| 19:18.27 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Jayce^ |
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| 19:28.09 | Hhhhh | shasta, argh |
| 19:28.14 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 19:28.18 | ibot | you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way. |
| 19:28.25 | Hhhhh | go Walmart-brand, caffeine-free diet-Coke!!!!1111 |
| 19:31.42 | sjansen | ~duel |
| 19:31.44 | ibot | ACTION considers sharing all the /msg traffic between sjansen and wps with #utah |
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| 19:52.15 | maquis | sjansen: what have you and wps been talking about? |
| 19:53.03 | wps | I think that ibot just pulled that out of his butt |
| 19:55.33 | graphyx | ~duel |
| 19:55.35 | ibot | ACTION considers sharing all the /msg traffic between graphyx and dataw0lf with #utah |
| 19:55.58 | graphyx | ~duel |
| 19:55.59 | ibot | ACTION slaps Jayce^ across the face with a heavy pair of gloves and quicky hands them to graphyx |
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| 20:29.06 | findlay | ~dual |
| 20:29.07 | ibot | ACTION clones findlay, to the horror of everyone else on the channel |
| 20:29.14 | findlay | ha |
| 20:29.29 | graphyx | ~duel findlay |
| 20:29.38 | findlay | ~treble |
| 20:29.43 | findlay | ~triple |
| 20:29.48 | findlay | ~fine |
| 20:29.49 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, fine is [WPI] adj. Good, but not good enough to be cuspy. The word `fine' is used elsewhere, of course, but without the implicit comparison to the higher level implied by cuspy. |
| 20:29.49 | graphyx | I think you mean |
| 20:29.51 | graphyx | ~tremble |
| 20:32.09 | dataw0lf | someone mention my name? |
| 20:32.22 | findlay | ~lart ibot |
| 20:32.22 | graphyx | a random ibot phrase |
| 20:32.38 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 20:32.41 | dataw0lf | k |
| 20:33.01 | harleypig | ? |
| 20:33.08 | harleypig | ibot! I'm surprised at you! |
| 20:33.29 | graphyx | I know.. flipping himself off.. that's really random. |
| 20:33.34 | findlay | ~surprise |
| 20:34.17 | SpecialZ | ~laugh |
| 20:34.18 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
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| 20:34.32 | graphyx | he's mocking us. |
| 20:34.41 | hans | ~mock graphyx |
| 20:34.43 | ibot | ACTION pulls graphyx's pants down and shows the world graphyx's pink spotted underwear |
| 20:36.53 | graphyx | Kkkkk: You learn a new letter? |
| 20:37.01 | hans | he skipped i and j too |
| 20:37.06 | hans | leaps and bounds |
| 20:37.15 | lars-ut | what is the probability of rolling either a 5 or a 9 w/two six-side dice? |
| 20:37.38 | lars-ut | on a single roll: |
| 20:37.40 | graphyx | 16/36 |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 2 - 2.78% |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 3 - 5.56% |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 4 - 8.33% |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 5 - 11.11% |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 6 - 13.89% |
| 20:37.41 | lars-ut | 7 - 16.67% |
| 20:37.41 | hans | well, there's 4 ways to roll a 5 |
| 20:37.43 | lars-ut | 8 - 13.89% |
| 20:37.45 | lars-ut | 9 - 11.11% |
| 20:37.47 | lars-ut | 10 - 8.33% |
| 20:37.49 | lars-ut | 11 - 5.56% |
| 20:37.51 | lars-ut | 12 - 2.78% |
| 20:37.53 | lars-ut | 4/36 |
| 20:37.56 | lars-ut | 1/9 |
| 20:38.01 | lars-ut | doh |
| 20:38.16 | hans | did you just want an excuse to show us your prowess in dice probabilities? |
| 20:38.17 | hans | :) |
| 20:38.18 | graphyx | 4/9 |
| 20:38.26 | lars-ut | no, hans not at all |
| 20:38.51 | lars-ut | hence graphyx's correction |
| 20:40.29 | lars-ut | My first guess was 22.22% |
| 20:40.40 | graphyx | He was just trying to show off my recollection of cs 235's combinatorics |
| 20:40.56 | lars-ut | ~praise graphyx |
| 20:40.58 | ibot | All hail graphyx! |
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| 20:41.10 | graphyx | ~praise Dr. Norton |
| 20:41.11 | ibot | All hail Dr. Norton! |
| 20:41.27 | findlay | ~praise Fermat and Pascal |
| 20:41.29 | ibot | All hail Fermat and Pascal! |
| 20:42.13 | graphyx | ~praise turing |
| 20:42.15 | ibot | All hail turing! |
| 20:44.01 | lars-ut | graphyx: in line with Hans comment I count 8 combinations possible to roll a 5 or 9, right? |
| 20:44.47 | lars-ut | http://boardgames.about.com/od/dicegames/a/probabilities.htm |
| 20:45.32 | hans | lars-ut: sounds right to me |
| 20:45.36 | graphyx | given a 1/6 chance for each number to be rolled, yeah.. |
| 20:45.54 | hans | graphyx: are your dice weighted? |
| 20:46.05 | lars-ut | that's why I'm asking |
| 20:46.15 | RyanE | 'fair dice' is usually assumed, but not always the case... |
| 20:46.25 | graphyx | hans: Not usually. (what RyanE said( |
| 20:46.38 | lars-ut | 8/36 != 4/9 |
| 20:46.47 | graphyx | you are so right.. |
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| 20:46.55 | graphyx | 2/9 |
| 20:47.09 | hans | or 1/4.5 |
| 20:47.29 | graphyx | or 10/45 |
| 20:47.47 | lars-ut | so I was right - all I was doing was adding the percentages together for one give roll |
| 20:47.58 | graphyx | sure. |
| 20:48.00 | lars-ut | based on the table at the above web page |
| 20:48.10 | graphyx | lars-ut: You headed to vegas? |
| 20:48.31 | hans | now apply this knowledge to monopoly |
| 20:48.38 | hans | then consider playing monopoly with a 12-sided die |
| 20:48.45 | lars-ut | graphyx: worse - Catan: http://boardgames.herlo.org/?q=node/15 |
| 20:48.53 | graphyx | When are you playing? |
| 20:48.58 | graphyx | I don't mind playing myself. |
| 20:48.59 | lars-ut | tonight |
| 20:49.08 | lars-ut | wanna come? |
| 20:49.15 | hans | graphyx: but you're easy to beat when you play yourself |
| 20:49.15 | lars-ut | 9pm |
| 20:49.22 | SpecialZ | How do you get doubles with a 12 sided die |
| 20:49.30 | lars-ut | squint |
| 20:49.35 | graphyx | I've developed a fondness for catan, Carcasonne, and Tigris and Euphraties. |
| 20:49.59 | graphyx | SpecialZ: if you roll a 2 or a 12 you get doubles. |
| 20:50.06 | graphyx | nvm... |
| 20:50.17 | graphyx | scratch that. if you roll a 1 it's doubles. and you roll again. |
| 20:50.25 | graphyx | since that isn't possible in the original setup. |
| 20:50.40 | RyanE | Carcasonne is a lot of fun. and Puerto Rico |
| 20:50.55 | graphyx | hans: Well to be honest I lose about half the time too. |
| 20:51.03 | graphyx | My family is really in to carcassonne. |
| 20:51.14 | graphyx | Up to the point that we have played with all of the expansions at the same time. |
| 20:51.27 | graphyx | It makes the game take about 4 hours. |
| 20:51.31 | SpecialZ | Where are you playing? |
| 20:51.43 | hans | i've wanted to try puerto rico |
| 20:51.47 | graphyx | lars-ut: I would love too, but I have to get some tuff done tonight. |
| 20:51.54 | hans | is it fun? do people who enjoy catan generally enjoy pr? |
| 20:51.55 | lars-ut | graphyx: funny we're doing something similar tonight - 3 sets of Catan |
| 20:52.02 | lars-ut | SpecialZ: Springville |
| 20:52.04 | graphyx | is Peurto Rico like carcasonne? |
| 20:52.28 | SpecialZ | I need to finish HW, but my roommate is really big into all sorts of games, and owns several sets of Catan and Carcasonne |
| 20:52.30 | graphyx | I am going to organize myself and have Wednesday be set aside for PLUG/whatever next year. |
| 20:52.34 | RyanE | hans: yeah, PR is not too competetive. |
| 20:52.46 | hans | my worry is that it's too complicated |
| 20:52.48 | RyanE | well, against each *other*... it's still competetive, if you know what I mean. |
| 20:52.49 | hans | for my wife, that is |
| 20:53.03 | graphyx | hans: You coming too? |
| 20:53.05 | hans | for me, I'm sure I'd probably like it. |
| 20:53.05 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 20:53.11 | graphyx | That would be a long drive. |
| 20:53.19 | RyanE | I thought it was blindingly simple, but I've played boardgames once a month for the past 10+ years with the same group. |
| 20:53.27 | hans | we used to love to play Tai-Pan when I was little |
| 20:53.32 | SpecialZ | My little brother removed Pirates and knights from settlers because he felt they were too much trouble |
| 20:53.33 | hans | anyone ever play that? |
| 20:53.43 | SpecialZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.44 | graphyx | What's it like? |
| 20:54.09 | graphyx | hans: ^^^ |
| 20:54.37 | lars-ut | If anyone wants to play tonight please confirm with me - we're maxing out at 8 people for this variant & we'll roll the dice at 9pm sharp. Map/Directions: http://tinyurl.com/84o3t |
| 20:55.02 | JoshH | ill be playing wow tonight |
| 20:55.03 | hans | it was apparently a limited game based on shogun |
| 20:55.08 | JoshH | and tomorrow, and the next day, and so on |
| 20:55.11 | hans | limited in the sense of distribution |
| 20:55.14 | RyanE | hans: I used to play Taipan on the Apple II, and now I have a PalmPilot version, but I've never played the board game. |
| 20:55.17 | hans | my aunt gave it to us for christmas |
| 20:55.41 | hans | there's like three phases, and the basic idea is you go around trading opium and spices |
| 20:55.49 | lars-ut | SpecialZ: this variant has 2 pirates - it's brutal. |
| 20:56.19 | SpecialZ | I was getting that impression |
| 20:56.37 | RyanE | hans: have you played samurai? http://funagain.com/control/product/~product_id=04487/~affiliate_id=TGRO |
| 20:57.21 | hans | actually this looks like it _might_ be the same game, revamped a bit |
| 20:57.23 | hans | http://boardgamegeek.com/image/12748 |
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| 20:57.49 | RyanE | Samurai is designed by the same guy who designed Euphrates & Tigris card game. |
| 20:58.29 | hans | haven't played either |
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| 20:59.33 | RyanE | how about robo rally? You guys play that? |
| 21:00.10 | hans | just kidding, that's not the same game, although some of the pieces look the same. the game I played wasn't battle but trading (with the board) |
| 21:00.18 | hans | it was more of a race |
| 21:00.27 | levi | Gah, my car refuses to yield up its O2 sensor to me. |
| 21:00.32 | hans | doubt it was particularly fine as a game, but it was my first complicated game |
| 21:02.09 | hans | the first step above monopoly and friends |
| 21:03.15 | graphyx | levi: You changing out the o2 sensor on a day like today? |
| 21:03.18 | Jayce^ | hey, monopoly can be complicated.... |
| 21:03.20 | graphyx | I feel sorry for you. |
| 21:03.25 | Jayce^ | sure, not with the rules that come with it :) |
| 21:03.34 | levi | graphyx: Well, I would change it if I could get the @%#! thing out. |
| 21:03.45 | graphyx | You already hit it with wd40? |
| 21:03.58 | levi | No, haven't done that yet. |
| 21:04.33 | hans | |
| 21:04.35 | hans | http://www.aboardgamesdatabase.com/aardmakehtml.mv?look4=1889.00000&src=DETAILS&title=Tai-Pan |
| 21:04.38 | hans | that's it |
| 21:04.47 | Jayce^ | I had to do a modified version of monopoly for a managerial accounting class once, was rather involved at that point |
| 21:05.08 | findlay | does anyone have a complete log of #utah somewhere? |
| 21:05.20 | Jayce^ | ibot does |
| 21:05.22 | ibot | [does] the present third singular of do |
| 21:05.42 | findlay | ibot: where are your logs? |
| 21:05.44 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:05.51 | Jayce^ | ~ibot |
| 21:05.52 | ibot | rumour has it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 21:06.03 | graphyx | levi: Hit it with WD40. Tons.. Not just a squirt.. |
| 21:06.09 | graphyx | leave it for 10 minutes. |
| 21:06.23 | graphyx | Get a wrench on it and Give a nice tap on the wrench with a hammer. |
| 21:06.26 | graphyx | That should break it loose. |
| 21:06.37 | levi | I'll have to give that a shot later tonight. |
| 21:06.53 | graphyx | You need this for smog check? |
| 21:09.36 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:10.02 | graphyx | how soon are you due? |
| 21:10.05 | levi | Only the heater circuit appears to be out. I think the sensor itself works once it comes up to temp. |
| 21:10.19 | levi | This month, actually. |
| 21:10.30 | graphyx | check engine light preventing you from passing? |
| 21:10.43 | levi | Well, I haven't tried, but I assumed a lit CEL would fail me. |
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| 21:27.08 | CGI6898000 | account add msn hesham_farag88@hortmaIL.COM simspons88 |
| 21:27.11 | CGI6898000 | account on |
| 21:27.18 | Tene | *blink* |
| 21:27.32 | roscivs | Anyone know of a good [free] bug tracking tool? |
| 21:27.33 | Tene | interesting... |
| 21:27.54 | graphyx | roscivs: bugzilla |
| 21:28.07 | roscivs | graphyx: Just finished installing bugzilla and have decided I don't like it. |
| 21:28.10 | graphyx | ok. |
| 21:28.15 | graphyx | Tene: That was xbmodder. |
| 21:28.23 | Tene | oh |
| 21:28.29 | mrpull- | http://scarab.tigris.org/ |
| 21:28.32 | Tene | I'm no longer surprised. |
| 21:28.45 | roscivs | mrpull-: I saw that one ... have you used it before? And is it non-sucky? |
| 21:28.48 | graphyx | Tene: CGI6898000 [i=nobody@xbmodder.us] |
| 21:28.50 | *** mode/#utah [+o hans] by ChanServ |
| 21:28.53 | Tene | yeah |
| 21:29.19 | lars-ut | anybody have an Xbox they'd be willing to part with for $75? |
| 21:29.41 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!*nobody@xbmodder.us] by hans |
| 21:29.48 | hans | did I do that right? |
| 21:29.59 | Tene | yep |
| 21:30.01 | Tene | you did |
| 21:30.04 | Jayce^ | probably not because I had already set one |
| 21:30.35 | tensai | seems like neither is working then |
| 21:30.36 | hans | Jayce^: looks like yours was *!nobody@xbmodder.us |
| 21:30.56 | hans | so so they are different. what's the bang and the part before the bang? |
| 21:31.01 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 21:31.15 | graphyx | Has he been banned from the channel? |
| 21:31.25 | hans | just his bots |
| 21:31.31 | graphyx | ahh. |
| 21:31.33 | hans | unless his username is nobody too |
| 21:31.40 | Tene | hans: nick!user@host |
| 21:31.43 | harleypig | graphyx: RT |
| 21:31.48 | hans | ah |
| 21:31.51 | graphyx | harleypig: RT? |
| 21:32.04 | harleypig | http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 21:32.08 | harleypig | Request Tracker |
| 21:32.14 | tensai | Rancid Tuna? |
| 21:32.17 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:32.30 | harleypig | Hey! What happened to brac? |
| 21:32.49 | graphyx | Is that a helpdesk ticket system? |
| 21:32.53 | Tene | lars-ut: looks like there are a lot on utah |
| 21:32.59 | Tene | graphyx: otrs |
| 21:33.11 | Tene | err |
| 21:33.14 | Tene | roscivs: otrs |
| 21:33.19 | graphyx | Tene: harleypig you have me lost. |
| 21:33.26 | lars-ut | Tene: ?? |
| 21:33.41 | Tene | 14:29 < lars-ut> anybody have an Xbox they'd be willing to part with for $75? |
| 21:34.16 | hans | harleypig: oh, I had to reboot |
| 21:34.22 | lars-ut | ah, sarcasm at the lack of response. |
| 21:34.50 | Tene | ... crap |
| 21:34.56 | Tene | I meant to type "ebay" |
| 21:35.04 | graphyx | hehe.. |
| 21:35.05 | Tene | I have no idea how that changed to "utah" |
| 21:35.13 | lars-ut | that makes more sense |
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| 21:35.47 | brac | ~lart harleypig |
| 21:36.06 | graphyx | ~lart brac |
| 21:42.48 | harleypig | graphyx: yeah, it's usualy used for that. |
| 21:47.31 | tensai | one of my XP computers has this popup message: "Updating your computer is almost complete. You must restart your computer for the updates to take effect. Do you want to restart your computer now?" |
| 21:48.00 | tensai | ok, that's fine. but why are the buttons to restart greyed out and why is there no way to close the window? |
| 21:48.35 | hans | tensai: sony doesn't want you to reboot |
| 21:48.45 | hans | until you've played their latest album |
| 21:48.46 | graphyx | hans: LOL |
| 21:51.01 | tensai | here's another beauty. open an excel file read-only. I open the file, change to a different tab. close the file. it asks if I want to save the changes! |
| 21:51.20 | graphyx | nice |
| 21:55.44 | RyanE | tensai: and you would prefer it not come up on the same page you were looking at? |
| 21:56.53 | hans | i think you're missing the readonly bit |
| 21:56.58 | tensai | RyanE: not if I explicitly opened the file read-only |
| 21:57.01 | graphyx | RyanE: I think the point is that you shouldn't be asked to re-save a read only file. |
| 21:57.19 | mrpull- | tensai: you can set those with local/group policies |
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| 22:07.22 | RyanE | tensai: duh. missed the RO part. curses my skimming brain! |
| 22:14.53 | maquis | anyone here interested in guesses as to the title of Darl's presentation at UVSC? |
| 22:15.15 | hans | i'm more interested in pictures of the protest. :) |
| 22:15.20 | graphyx | Management of IP rights? |
| 22:15.26 | maquis | hans: sure... |
| 22:15.40 | maquis | i've come up with a few |
| 22:15.48 | maquis | "business plans based entirely on lawsuits" |
| 22:16.10 | maquis | "how to run a software company without relying on developers" |
| 22:16.19 | maquis | :-P |
| 22:16.44 | graphyx | "a bought judge, The lazy man's guide to a rich life"? |
| 22:17.00 | maquis | graphyx: last i checked, he was having a bit of trouble with that piece... |
| 22:17.04 | hans | developers^Wlawyers! developers^Wlawyers! developers^lawyers! |
| 22:17.29 | graphyx | what does ^W mean? |
| 22:17.34 | graphyx | delete the last word? |
| 22:17.37 | hans | a |
| 22:18.02 | hans | I don't understand how I can be getting multpiple segfaults here |
| 22:18.04 | graphyx | oh.. a. |
| 22:18.05 | graphyx | nice. |
| 22:19.12 | hans | a was a slip |
| 22:19.19 | hans | it meant yeah |
| 22:19.37 | maquis | hans: nice :) |
| 22:19.39 | hans | I have a segfault handler, which does something, then returns |
| 22:19.52 | hans | then I shouldn't get the segfault anymore |
| 22:20.00 | hans | but I get one or two spurious ones |
| 22:20.21 | RyanE | your segfault handler is segfaulting? :) |
| 22:20.46 | hans | maybe... but if so it's segfaulting at the same address as what it's handling |
| 22:20.55 | hans | but I've checked that - I'm not dereferencing that pointer anywhere |
| 22:21.05 | RyanE | sooooo... not likely. |
| 22:21.19 | hans | (my segfault handler changes the perms of the memory area with mprotect, so the next one shouldn't get the seg fault) |
| 22:21.25 | RyanE | using any libraries that wouldn't be handled by your segfault handler? |
| 22:21.35 | hans | no |
| 22:21.53 | hans | I think I am using some unsafe functions, printfs to be precise |
| 22:22.04 | hans | however, they don't reference that memory location either |
| 22:24.07 | RyanE | is there a way to tell if your segfault handler is being called when you're getting the spurious segfaults? |
| 22:24.41 | hans | it is |
| 22:24.52 | hans | (I see my evil printfs) |
| 22:26.53 | RyanE | when you say spurious Segfaults, you mean that most of the time, the segfault handler is being called, and then handling it properly, and then returning without a segfault, but sometimes it gets called, and doesn't properly handle it? |
| 22:27.12 | hans | meaning it gets called when I don't expect a segfault |
| 22:27.21 | hans | and therefore things get messed up |
| 22:28.20 | RyanE | so I assume your code is *supposed* to generate segfaults for some reason, and it's segfaulting where you don't expect? |
| 22:28.25 | hans | yes |
| 22:28.32 | hans | 23 i = mem[4096]; |
| 22:29.05 | hans | that line generates two segv |
| 22:30.06 | RyanE | what is mem's declaration? unsigned char? |
| 22:30.30 | hans | char |
| 22:30.32 | hans | char * |
| 22:30.33 | hans | actually |
| 22:30.41 | hans | char * mem=dsm_init(); |
| 22:30.48 | hans | (dsm = distributed shared memory) |
| 22:30.54 | RyanE | yeah |
| 22:31.19 | hans | initially all of mem is PROT_NONE |
| 22:31.24 | hans | which is why it gets segfaults |
| 22:31.50 | hans | my handler negotiates with the server and sets the protection to PROT_READ or PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE as appropriate |
| 22:32.01 | hans | so when the handler returns, that line should not segfault a second time |
| 22:32.08 | Hhhhh | hey, I didn't know there was a Linux version of Skype, I just used it to make a phone call to Chile |
| 22:32.17 | hans | skype bad, gizmo good |
| 22:32.28 | hans | http://gizmoproject.com |
| 22:32.28 | brac | [Gizmo – A free phone for your computer] |
| 22:32.29 | Hhhhh | url for gizmo? |
| 22:32.35 | RyanE | http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs4234/F04/proj2/handout.html |
| 22:32.47 | Hhhhh | why do you say skype is bad? |
| 22:33.22 | RyanE | so your call on line 23 there is causing 2 segfaults instead of one? |
| 22:33.28 | hans | because it uses proprietary protocols that can't interoperate with others, e.g. me |
| 22:33.43 | hans | I can talk to gizmo with my asterisk server and use my home phone and do all kinds of cool things |
| 22:33.48 | hans | skype is just another IM lockin |
| 22:33.54 | Hhhhh | nah, Skype is cheaper to my country |
| 22:33.57 | hans | RyanE: yeah |
| 22:34.00 | RyanE | hans: well, at least it's an *interesting* problem... |
| 22:34.06 | Hhhhh | Gizmo is 4 cents/min, Skype is 2 |
| 22:34.12 | RyanE | but I don't have a clue, and judging by the silence, no one else does, either. |
| 22:34.14 | Hhhhh | I srick to skype |
| 22:34.17 | Hhhhh | stick* |
| 22:34.47 | hans | well good for you, so long as you know the evil |
| 22:34.55 | Hhhhh | I don't care about propietary |
| 22:35.02 | hans | I still use AIM too. shrug |
| 22:35.11 | Hhhhh | propietary is not evil, it can be convenient or inconvenient, it depends on what you want |
| 22:36.03 | hans | you say that now |
| 22:36.31 | hans | but 2 years down the road when you want to use gizmo because it lets you do cool thing X, you won't be able to because none of your contacts are going to want to switch from skype, which you had them set up in the first place |
| 22:36.42 | hans | if you're using skype as a pstn gateway, that's fine |
| 22:36.44 | Hhhhh | I don't care, I use OSS but I don't feel immoral if I use propietary. I think I am freer than those who don't use propietary |
| 22:36.56 | hans | Hhhhh: you're illusioned |
| 22:36.57 | Hhhhh | I don't restrict myself |
| 22:37.10 | hans | take it from an AIM user, you do |
| 22:37.13 | Hhhhh | and I proselite OSS without having to downtalk propietary |
| 22:37.41 | Hhhhh | OSS is good enough to compete with propietary without having to downtalk anybody |
| 22:41.05 | hans | I'm not downtalking anything. skype is a great technology. it's just not one that can be interoperated with |
| 22:41.23 | hans | it's not a new phenomenon. look at clients like gaim |
| 22:42.43 | hans | multiprotocol behemoths all because aim, icq, etc. didn't agree on a protocol to begin with |
| 22:43.03 | hans | if you want to use 5 different softphones to talk to your friends in the future, that's cool |
| 22:43.54 | hans | and like I said, skype as a pstn gateway is fine |
| 22:44.02 | hans | as in, I'm totally cool with it |
| 22:46.02 | hans | RyanE: thanks anyway, it's really odd. I'm just going to have to find a way to ignore it I guess |
| 22:46.34 | hans | it works ok when I step through |
| 22:46.41 | hans | so it's gotta be a race condition of some kind |
| 22:49.59 | levi | Hmm. Maybe I'll download Gizmo someday if I ever want to voice chat with people. |
| 22:54.12 | harleypig | anyone know how (if it's possible) to attach to a particular screen window from another screen session? |
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| 22:54.34 | graphyx | harleypig: I know it is possible, but I don't know how. |
| 22:54.36 | harleypig | or just plain hijack a process so I can see what it's progress is? |
| 22:54.56 | harleypig | or, more accurately, attach to the tty the process is on |
| 22:57.25 | harleypig | crap ... looks like you have to run as root to do it. |
| 22:58.23 | Tene | http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html |
| 22:59.19 | mheath | harleypig: hey, were you the ex-jarhead? |
| 22:59.47 | mheath | about the corp |
| 23:00.36 | tensai | mheath: dataw0lf I think it was |
| 23:00.45 | mheath | No. |
| 23:00.48 | mheath | He's Army. |
| 23:00.51 | Jayce^ | harleypig was a jarhead |
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| 23:01.03 | mheath | ~praise hollywood |
| 23:01.04 | ibot | All hail hollywood! |
| 23:01.25 | mheath | I can actually use the term 'jarhead' now, and people know what I'm talking about :) |
| 23:01.37 | Jayce^ | ?? that's been around for ages |
| 23:01.48 | harleypig | mheath: yeah |
| 23:01.51 | mheath | I know it has been, Jayce^ |
| 23:01.54 | harleypig | I was a jarhead ... |
| 23:01.56 | harleypig | leatherneck |
| 23:01.56 | mheath | But no one knows it |
| 23:02.04 | mheath | *knew it |
| 23:02.07 | harleypig | ground pounder |
| 23:02.09 | dataw0lf | who doesn't know the term jarhead? |
| 23:02.13 | Jayce^ | meh, pretty much everybody I know has known it |
| 23:02.24 | Jayce^ | well, maybe out of mheath's age group |
| 23:02.28 | harleypig | heh |
| 23:02.46 | tensai | I didn't know it |
| 23:02.46 | mheath | Jayce^: before I found harleypig, I sprang that question on a few unsuspecting people in #utah |
| 23:02.54 | mheath | Hardly anyone knew the term |
| 23:02.56 | levi | Kids these days... ;) |
| 23:03.04 | mheath | dataw0lf: of course *you* know it. |
| 23:03.14 | dataw0lf | I didn't learn it in the Army. |
| 23:04.02 | dataw0lf | huh, strange, I thought jarhead was a term that had been introduced into popular culture long ago. |
| 23:04.02 | dataw0lf | *shrug* |
| 23:04.02 | mheath | I have a friend who wants to join the corp -_- |
| 23:04.02 | tensai | well, I guess I had heard of the word but didn't know until just now that it mean a Marin |
| 23:04.03 | mheath | I dunno |
| 23:04.03 | tensai | s/Marin/Marine/ |
| 23:04.04 | Jayce^ | yeah, it was big back in vietnam days |
| 23:04.12 | mheath | I'm a squid, and proud of it. |
| 23:04.30 | dataw0lf | have you been through boot? |
| 23:04.31 | Jayce^ | meh, true squids swim |
| 23:04.43 | mheath | dataw0lf: Sort of. |
| 23:04.52 | Jayce^ | sort of?! |
| 23:04.53 | mheath | Jayce^: Hey, I'm second class swim qual'd :) |
| 23:04.53 | dataw0lf | what does sort of mean? Have you been to Great Lakes or not? |
| 23:05.01 | mheath | No. |
| 23:05.07 | dataw0lf | then you're not a squid. |
| 23:05.09 | dataw0lf | you're a recruit. |
| 23:05.13 | dataw0lf | who may or may not become a squid. |
| 23:05.14 | Jayce^ | mheath, not good enough |
| 23:05.22 | harleypig | dataw0lf: which branch were you in? |
| 23:05.27 | dataw0lf | harleypig: Army. |
| 23:05.58 | harleypig | sounded like you were in ... just couldn't tell which. |
| 23:06.25 | harleypig | mrpull- The only one I had was my graduation photo and that's long since been lost in one move or another. |
| 23:06.28 | dataw0lf | harleypig: what'd you do in the Marines? |
| 23:06.32 | harleypig | infantry |
| 23:06.42 | Jayce^ | is there anything else? :-p |
| 23:06.45 | mheath | dataw0lf: I'm sorry. I thought wearing cracker jacks and attending drill once a month, and having attended a two week bootcamp......might have qualified me to use slightly derrogitory joking terminology to refer to myself :) |
| 23:06.59 | mheath | I'll be active duty USN in a few months, too. |
| 23:07.02 | harleypig | mheath: Nope ... gotta go through boot. :> |
| 23:07.16 | dataw0lf | harleypig: Word, I was a cavalry scout / attack pathfinder. Went through Pathfinder, Air Assault, and E&E training with some marines, good guys. |
| 23:07.19 | harleypig | And even then, you gotta be in fleet for awhile before you really qualify as a serviceman. |
| 23:07.19 | Jayce^ | mheath, nah, squids are full time |
| 23:07.58 | harleypig | dataw0lf: We gave the grunts a hard time, but, for the most part, I woulda been happy with them at my back. |
| 23:08.02 | dataw0lf | mheath: Once you go through the graduate ceremony you can call yourself a squid all you want. |
| 23:08.13 | harleypig | mheath: why? |
| 23:08.35 | dataw0lf | harleypig: Yeah, we did alot of LZ clearing for marine squads in Iraq and Afghanistan, attached to a recon unit for a couple chalks too. |
| 23:08.40 | harleypig | despite the crap each service gives each other (at least you're not going air farce) the navy's got some good things about. |
| 23:08.41 | mheath | harleypig: Mainly because of a training I'm attending in a few weeks. I realized how much I was looking forward to it.... |
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| 23:08.56 | harleypig | what kind of training? |
| 23:09.23 | harleypig | dataw0lf: Afghan? When? |
| 23:09.39 | dataw0lf | harleypig: um, 2002? yar |
| 23:09.40 | mheath | harleypig: a cold weather climate tactical field training exercise |
| 23:09.56 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf, you gotta remember, when harleypig was in the corp, the were still using muzzleloaders... </jab> |
| 23:10.05 | dataw0lf | rol |
| 23:10.15 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.20 | fishyfire | hmm the byu homepage is down |
| 23:10.45 | dataw0lf | harleypig: Man, no idea. Most of my time in Afghanistan I was either sleeping exhausted on my cot or running a mission, they kept us working. |
| 23:10.48 | mheath | harleypig: Realizing how intersting I'm finding this, and how much I'm looking forward to it... |
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| 23:11.00 | mheath | Kinda making me doubt my decision to be a full time fleet sailor |
| 23:11.04 | harleypig | mheath: Why would that make you want to reconsider? |
| 23:11.09 | harleypig | oh ... |
| 23:11.18 | mheath | and a Boatswain's Mate at that |
| 23:12.07 | harleypig | dataw0lf: yeah, m brother said he was constantly on patrol when he was in Afghan. The most tiring and scary time of his life. |
| 23:12.42 | mheath | That two week boot camp was enough for me, thanks |
| 23:12.51 | dataw0lf | harleypig: Yeah, it was pretty tense, attack pathfinder units don't get much time to sleep, but I'd say that the Iraqi invasion and subsequent missions we flew there were probably crazier. |
| 23:12.57 | dataw0lf | if just because of the insane heat. |
| 23:13.18 | JoshH | mheath: my little brother made it through great lakes fine, and he is a wuss :) |
| 23:13.19 | mheath | dataw0lf: Yeah, that was the chief complaint of a lot of the marines I talked to up at the reserve center |
| 23:13.21 | dataw0lf | and the sand |
| 23:13.21 | mheath | The heat |
| 23:13.38 | mheath | JoshH: I'll make it through |
| 23:13.39 | dataw0lf | mheat: Well, yeah, wear MOPP4 in 120 degree weather. |
| 23:13.41 | Jayce^ | yeah, compare that to navy life.. my dad always described most of Vietnam as a bbq :) |
| 23:13.52 | dataw0lf | and then get in a firefight in mopp3 |
| 23:13.54 | Jayce^ | and he was one of the more involved peopel :) |
| 23:13.59 | mheath | dataw0lf: Ouch |
| 23:14.10 | dataw0lf | mopp3? mopp2? can't remember |
| 23:14.12 | dataw0lf | probably mopp2 |
| 23:14.20 | dataw0lf | whichever is the suit minus the gloves and mask |
| 23:14.37 | JoshH | im surprised more troops don't pass out from heat exhaustion |
| 23:14.39 | mheath | I think thats mopp3 |
| 23:14.43 | mheath | Not certain, though. |
| 23:14.53 | mheath | Gah, that class was too long ago. |
| 23:14.54 | dataw0lf | JoshH: willpower and hydration. |
| 23:15.09 | fishyfire | can anybody else access any of the BYU websites? |
| 23:15.29 | mheath | JoshH: I'll make it through my 8 weeks no problem |
| 23:15.44 | mheath | Doesn't mean it will be fun |
| 23:15.48 | JoshH | once he got to san diego, it was all worth it |
| 23:15.54 | harleypig | dataw0lf: my brother missed out on this last iraq deal, thank god. |
| 23:16.16 | Tene | fishyfire: does byu.edu count? |
| 23:16.17 | mheath | Plus, my involvement with my present orgazniation.....close to gurantees (statistically) that I'll be put in a leadership position at bootcamp |
| 23:16.19 | harleypig | of course, now he can't talk about half of his missions in Thailand, India and Korea. |
| 23:16.27 | tensai | fishyfire: yup. works fine from here. |
| 23:16.30 | dataw0lf | harleypig: lucky. I have a friend who's new wife convinced him to reenlist. As an attack pathfinder again. |
| 23:16.31 | mheath | Being seperated from your peers, particularly when I'll be the youngest guy there, probably......Not fun. |
| 23:16.44 | harleypig | dataw0lf: ?! Why would she want to do that? |
| 23:17.04 | dataw0lf | harleypig: he married her when we were stationed in Germany, and she's homesick. |
| 23:17.09 | JoshH | his wife wanted him to reenlist? sheesh |
| 23:17.13 | dataw0lf | so she gets housing in Germany and he gets redeployed. |
| 23:17.16 | harleypig | mheath: if you pull it off you'll be sponsorable at annapolis if you wanted. |
| 23:17.17 | dataw0lf | yeah, she's pure evil. |
| 23:17.22 | dataw0lf | http://dataw0lf.org is the whole story. |
| 23:17.23 | JoshH | heh |
| 23:17.29 | dataw0lf | strong language though |
| 23:17.38 | fishyfire | tensai, are you on campus? |
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| 23:17.41 | dataw0lf | for those who might be adverse to that. |
| 23:17.46 | tensai | fishyfire: not even close |
| 23:17.51 | fishyfire | hmm |
| 23:17.58 | mheath | harleypig: Just for being RCPO in a recruit company? |
| 23:18.05 | maquis | fishyfire: if the byu website is unaccessible, i'd blame oit |
| 23:18.09 | fishyfire | i can't get any of the byu pages to load |
| 23:18.24 | JoshH | dataw0lf: oh no, why didn't you warn me about that s word :( |
| 23:18.31 | maquis | fishyfire: i can get it, though |
| 23:18.38 | Tene | fishyfire: works fine here |
| 23:18.44 | dataw0lf | Ah, work is over, later guys. |
| 23:18.48 | mheath | Master Chief Boatswain's Mate Heath sounds pretty nice to me, thanks :) |
| 23:18.58 | fishyfire | i was in the middle of looking at classes to register, and now none of the pages will load |
| 23:19.17 | mheath | ~lart those of you who pronounced that as Boat-Swayne's Mate |
| 23:19.33 | mheath | I get that too much. |
| 23:19.50 | Tene | and... how should it be pronounced? |
| 23:19.55 | maquis | mheath: it's bot-sen, right? |
| 23:19.59 | Tene | if you don't want it pronounced like that, don't spell it like that! |
| 23:20.00 | dataw0lf | heh, I dunno, maybe you're cut out for a 20 year enlisted life. |
| 23:20.02 | dataw0lf | Maybe not. |
| 23:20.06 | tensai | hans: hey, I crashed juk. highlighted the same mp3 twice in the history and deleted. *poof* |
| 23:20.06 | fishyfire | well now it's working |
| 23:20.08 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't trash officers at this point though. |
| 23:20.10 | mheath | maquis: boat-sun |
| 23:20.12 | mheath | not bot-sun |
| 23:20.15 | dataw0lf | Just wait til you're real active duty for about a year. |
| 23:20.16 | maquis | ah... |
| 23:20.22 | dataw0lf | then login to #utah and give me your perspective. |
| 23:20.28 | mheath | dataw0lf: My dad pulled off a 30 year officer career |
| 23:20.41 | mheath | I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to do a 20 year enlisted career :) |
| 23:20.54 | dataw0lf | *shrug* Ok :D |
| 23:21.12 | mheath | dataw0lf: Realistically, I probably won't spend anywhere near that amount of time as an active duty sailor. |
| 23:21.23 | harleypig | mheath: yeah, well that's recent. Also, whenever we call the recruiting office he's assigned to, it's either he's in a meeting or out. |
| 23:21.46 | mheath | O.o Who? |
| 23:21.52 | hans | ~five tensai |
| 23:22.05 | harleypig | mheath: I don't know if it's just him, but my uncle was a marine recruiter and he talked about it all the time, except occasionally when my aunt was all upset about something he would just say "just a rough couple of days at the office" |
| 23:22.34 | mheath | Ugh |
| 23:23.02 | mheath | harleypig: I think you misread something I said |
| 23:23.22 | mheath | Maybe when I used the term "recruit company"? (referring to a company of recruits at basic training) |
| 23:23.57 | harleypig | mheath: sorry ... trying to catch up ... my brother was marine recon, in afghan, then he was stationed in japan, with missions all over the east that he can't talk about, and now he's a recruiter in some rinky dink town in northern cal. |
| 23:24.02 | harleypig | Oh ... probably. |
| 23:24.51 | mheath | Not that I dislike the conversation, by any means. I'm just confused about how we suddenly arrived at "Why my uncle was unreachable at his job in the recruiting office" =D |
| 23:25.05 | mheath | The only relative I have, really, with any military experience is my Dad |
| 23:25.43 | harleypig | Not sure... |
| 23:25.51 | harleypig | I'm a tangential kind of person. |
| 23:26.04 | harleypig | the geek term is 'yak shaving' |
| 23:26.09 | mheath | Colonel Frank Heath |
| 23:26.56 | mheath | Who doesn't care at all about the military any more |
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| 23:27.16 | mheath | And who I can't even convince to come see me get an award and promotion -_- |
| 23:27.28 | harleypig | dataw0lf: interesting story ... I can truly identify. |
| 23:27.53 | Newsome | haha |
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| 23:28.15 | mheath | His excuse is he doesn't want to miss church |
| 23:28.18 | harleypig | mheath: :D |
| 23:28.22 | mheath | He'd have to miss half an hour of church, to come to this |
| 23:28.58 | Jayce^ | so Newsome, you going to head over to UVSC? |
| 23:29.00 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 23:29.19 | mheath | Before he knew it was on a Sunday, he was interested in coming, but refused to wear his uniform |
| 23:29.24 | Jayce^ | wonder how UVSC would react to us |
| 23:29.32 | Newsome | Jayce^: tempting, isn't it ;) |
| 23:29.56 | mheath | Bah, I like immaturely showing off. |
| 23:30.05 | mheath | My dad's higher ranked than your dad! |
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| 23:30.41 | levi | mheath: We're quite aware that you like immaturely showing off. |
| 23:30.43 | Newsome | probably. My Dad was only a Spec 5 or something |
| 23:33.00 | mheath | levi: Please be aware that I was joking about showing off with my dad. |
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| 23:36.09 | mheath | I'm proud about the uniform I wear |
| 23:36.15 | mheath | I couldn't be more proud |
| 23:36.31 | mheath | I don't need a uniform with an eagle on it following me around to feel any better about that. |
| 23:36.58 | mheath | I was joking. |
| 23:37.04 | mheath | But thank you for the insult :)\ |
| 23:37.37 | harleypig | mheath ... no, it's good politics, at least as long as you don't keep talking about it ... |
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| 23:38.29 | harleypig | let other people see and talk about it, but don't tell people that your dad was a cololnel. |
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| 23:39.44 | Hhhhh | what about something on Sunday? |
| 23:40.14 | xbmodder | hi |
| 23:40.17 | Hhhhh | hi |
| 23:42.05 | mheath | harleypig: Hey, I have a question for you |
| 23:42.12 | harleypig | shoot |
| 23:42.22 | harleypig | err ... with all this talk that may not be a good way to phrase that. |
| 23:42.24 | Newsome | bang |
| 23:42.34 | mheath | Do you have any tips for spitshines? =D |
| 23:42.39 | SpecialK | harleypig, what rinky dink down in northern Cal? |
| 23:43.19 | harleypig | SpecialK: eureka |
| 23:43.30 | harleypig | mheath: Use real spit, liberally. |
| 23:43.36 | Newsome | be sure to save up some spittle for your superior officer's...um...boots |
| 23:43.59 | harleypig | Save one pair of boots for inspection. *Don't* wear them for anything else. |
| 23:44.00 | SpecialK | Next largest twon north of Santa Rosa, though I can't recall doing more than pass through. |
| 23:44.06 | mheath | harleypig: some of the stuff I read advocates every once in a while completely stripping all the polish off (using mineral spirits) and starting afresh |
| 23:44.21 | mheath | Did you do this? |
| 23:44.30 | mheath | Or did you just build up layers of polish?\ |
| 23:44.35 | harleypig | never ... didn't really want to take the time. |
| 23:44.42 | harleypig | If you do it wrong you have to buy a new pair. |
| 23:44.51 | harleypig | usually with 30 minutes left before inspection. |
| 23:45.32 | harleypig | of course, i was one of those mudsuckers that did as little as possible in quarters. |
| 23:45.42 | mheath | harleypig: what kind of polish do you use? |
| 23:45.51 | harleypig | i was always getting dinged for some aberration in my lockers. |
| 23:46.14 | harleypig | don't now ... i used whatever was available at px. |
| 23:46.23 | mheath | the USMC Approved kind is like Licoln something.. |
| 23:46.28 | harleypig | mheath: it was a black and red tin. |
| 23:46.38 | mheath | Ah, Kiwi :) |
| 23:46.59 | harleypig | mheath: I was discharged in 84 ... some things have changed a little :> |
| 23:47.00 | mheath | Meh, half the people in this room don't know what a decent spitshine is |
| 23:47.18 | mheath | Mormon church going shoeshines.... |
| 23:47.23 | harleypig | omg ... that's 21 years ago ... |
| 23:47.37 | mheath | ah |
| 23:48.22 | mheath | Hmmmm |
| 23:48.40 | xbmodder | harleypig, wow.. thats a long time ago. |
| 23:48.51 | harleypig | Not that long! |
| 23:49.22 | xbmodder | 21.. thats like 1/2 of some people's lives |
| 23:49.37 | harleypig | that's half of mine right now. |
| 23:50.10 | xbmodder | 1/3.5890476190476193 |
| 23:52.04 | xbmodder | harleypig, but you don't sound that old... |
| 23:52.18 | xbmodder | which is all that matters on IRC :) |
| 23:52.42 | harleypig | xbmodder: I'm really a 16 year old female ... |
| 23:54.19 | xbmodder | harleypig, umm.. doubt it... |
| 23:54.32 | xbmodder | pig? harley pig? |
| 23:54.35 | Jayce^ | hey, it's IRC, you never know |
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| 23:55.00 | xbmodder | Jayce^, that'd be weird... |
| 23:55.50 | xbmodder | maquis, me for one... |
| 23:56.06 | xbmodder | it took me about 6 months until I did a whois on maquis.. |
| 23:56.18 | maquis | and got back "maquis" |
| 23:56.39 | xbmodder | err. no... |
| 23:56.59 | xbmodder | --- [maquis] (n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org) : Erin |
| 23:57.27 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 23:57.38 | maquis | i had that fixed back when i used xchat... |
| 23:57.53 | xbmodder | what are you using now? |
| 23:58.00 | JoshH | fix what? |
| 23:58.06 | xbmodder | JoshH, whois |
| 23:58.10 | xbmodder | ~seen JoshH |
| 23:58.15 | ibot | joshh is currently on #debian #utah. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 15s |
| 23:58.15 | xbmodder | ~seen Joshc |
| 23:58.18 | ibot | joshc <i=joshc@208.187.239.18> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 103d 6h 46m 54s ago, saying: ' ttyl'. |
| 23:58.18 | JoshH | how is it broken? |
| 23:58.42 | Hhhhh | ~seen Hhhhh |
| 23:58.44 | ibot | hhhhh is currently on #utah (1h 59m 34s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 2s |
| 23:58.49 | maquis | fix the ircname to something else |
| 23:58.57 | JoshH | what client? |
| 23:59.09 | xbmodder | what happened to joshc? |
| 23:59.15 | xbmodder | did he change his nickname |
| 23:59.19 | Hhhhh | that's odd, I'm in other channels besides #utah |
| 23:59.42 | xbmodder | Hhhhh, ibot ~seen database seems a bit screwed up. |
| 23:59.49 | maquis | Hhhhh: is ibot/purl/jbot/apt in any of the other channels? |