| 00:03.18 | maquis | yay for joan of arc! |
| 00:09.09 | elg | anyone heard of gizmo? |
| 00:09.18 | elg | gizmoproject.com |
| 00:09.31 | elg | looks like a what-skype-should-have-been |
| 00:09.52 | tensai | elg: yes. tried it once. couldn't get asterisk to use my gizmo credentials. |
| 00:09.57 | hagna | elg: what does it do that skype does not? |
| 00:10.04 | elg | talk a standard protocol |
| 00:10.12 | JoshH | mheath: where do you work right now? |
| 00:10.15 | JoshH | what restaraunt |
| 00:10.35 | elg | tensai: I'm going to give it a whirl. I'll let you know if I succeed |
| 00:10.57 | tensai | elg: they're using ser underneath |
| 00:11.19 | elg | ser? |
| 00:11.29 | harleypig | Does anyone know where I might download Donald Knuth's lectures " God and Computers, Lecture 6: God and Computer Science" and " God and Computers, Lecture 5: Glimpses of God"? |
| 00:11.41 | tensai | http://www.iptel.org/ser/ |
| 00:12.29 | tensai | high performance sip proxy and web management interface. it can interact with asterisk. |
| 00:13.51 | elg | i see |
| 00:30.26 | mheath | ]q23W23`1```FiNaLBeTa tryed everything else : INSERT into tblcharset ('id','name','set') VALUES(523,'test','tester');4R W;Q |
| 00:46.15 | colera_ | does anyone here use wordpress? |
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| 01:44.01 | jnbek | ok y'all, a question: |
| 01:44.42 | jnbek | Not basing on your own personal preferences, please, but what would be considered the most widely used Linux Distro in the corporate sector? |
| 01:46.05 | sjansen | Hard to say. The obvious top three are Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Debian, and Novell SUSE Enterprise Linux Server. |
| 01:46.38 | jnbek | really, debian is up there |
| 01:46.53 | jnbek | Suse, eh, what about Ubuntu and Fedora? |
| 01:47.43 | sjansen | Fedora? Widely used by small shops. I've heard of some medium sized companies using it too, but it really isn't meant for widespread corporate use. |
| 01:48.07 | elg | anybody else got gizmo? |
| 01:48.08 | sjansen | Ubuntu is an up and comer. Give it time and it should be big. |
| 01:48.53 | jnbek | ok, there's a job i'm applying for that requests linux experience, and i'm jsut trying to get a feel for what I should talk, I need to install a new linux to get the feel or it again, i been in FreeBSD heaven so long, lol |
| 01:49.00 | sjansen | If you're thinking about using Fedora in a corporate setting, I'd strongly discourage it. |
| 01:49.45 | sjansen | As for Ubuntu, I'd wait about six months. By the next release they should have all the cards in place for real corporate adoption. |
| 01:49.55 | jnbek | so would you recommend SuSE, then ? |
| 01:50.14 | sjansen | The correct captilization is now SUSE. |
| 01:50.20 | jnbek | yea i've read alot about Ubuntu |
| 01:50.25 | jnbek | oh, my bad, lol |
| 01:51.35 | sjansen | RHEL, Debina, & SUSE all have things to recommend them. The only thing I'd recommend is carefully considering your needs, giving each a try, then picking the one that fits best. |
| 01:52.27 | sjansen | s/SUSE/SLES/ |
| 01:52.45 | sjansen | s/Debina/Debian/ |
| 01:52.58 | JoshH | jnbek: just use whatever they use where you are applying |
| 01:53.09 | levi | Wow, sjansen acknowledging that Debian has things to recommend it. |
| 01:53.26 | jnbek | JoshH: i don't know what they use :D |
| 01:53.30 | sjansen | levi: I didn't say what. ;-) |
| 01:53.32 | JoshH | but he didn't say to just use debian, which would have been the proper answer :) |
| 01:54.23 | sjansen | JoshH: Hardly. For starters, last I'd heard Oracle doesn't support Debian. That's a big show stopper for some shops. |
| 01:54.51 | JoshH | ya, there are a small handful of cases where debian isn't the best choice, i will admit |
| 01:56.31 | sjansen | With RHEL & SLES, money talks. With Debian, you're at the mercy of an army of loosely organized, angry, obstinate, constipated water buffalo. |
| 01:57.27 | JoshH | but thats the same reasoning people use to justify windows |
| 01:57.36 | sjansen | Yup. |
| 01:57.58 | elg | listen to yourself, you're describing the proprietary software people |
| 01:58.02 | elg | so much for money talks |
| 01:58.06 | JoshH | sure, support contracts are nice |
| 01:58.09 | levi | This is a fun talk: http://technetcast.ddj.com/tnc_play_stream.html?stream_id=644 |
| 01:58.10 | brac | [TechNetCast Play] |
| 01:58.18 | sjansen | Believe it or not, some people consider reality when making corporate decisions. |
| 01:58.35 | levi | sjansen: That's what people said to dismiss Linux for years. |
| 01:58.36 | JoshH | well, ill never be a corporate executive |
| 01:58.38 | elg | I find that support contracts often limit your options, however they almost always make suits happy |
| 01:58.53 | sjansen | Debian could crush Red Hat/Novell if only it could rise above politics. |
| 01:59.02 | levi | sjansen: Of course, it was also a valid argument in a lot of cases. |
| 01:59.21 | JoshH | ubuntu is crushing them on the desktop already |
| 01:59.28 | JoshH | starting to at least |
| 02:01.15 | sjansen | If your company is made up of small, empowered, skilled teams you can consider everything. If, like most medium to large companies, your company is filled with mediocre employees crippled by bureaucracy, support contracts are a must. |
| 02:01.46 | jnbek | btw, thx for the prompt responses |
| 02:01.56 | JoshH | and that's just it |
| 02:02.15 | JoshH | most companies that use rhel are either companies that use oracle, or companies with mediocre, hand tied employees. |
| 02:02.49 | JoshH | which is most companies period |
| 02:07.50 | jnbek | personally i think everyone should just use FreeBSD, but those are my thoughts, most don't so... |
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| 02:16.11 | sjansen | o/~ Wave you hands in the air like you don't care. ~/o |
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| 02:24.43 | hans | http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-guy-iax-00.txt |
| 02:31.30 | sjansen | ~lart gstreamer |
| 02:36.04 | hans | http://whytheluckystiff.net/incidents/31.TheHandWhichFellApart.html |
| 02:36.06 | brac | [.c( whytheluckystiff )o. -- Incident No. 31: The Hand Which Fell Apart] |
| 02:41.04 | sjansen | okay then |
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| 03:27.43 | levi | whytheluckystiff is bizarre. |
| 03:30.44 | emcnabb | interesting; the tg3 NIC kernel module in 2.6.14 supports ethtool -p |
| 03:30.56 | emcnabb | kind of a fun and maybe useful option |
| 03:36.57 | maquis | emcnabb: i didn't know that was possible, but it is moderately cool |
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| 03:38.17 | emcnabb | it's useful if you're trying to figure out which network interface is associated with a NIC |
| 03:38.24 | maquis | ah... |
| 03:38.26 | maquis | that is useful |
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| 04:45.34 | xbmodder-treo | done with the xbmodder basing? |
| 04:46.03 | xbmodder-treo | bashing |
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| 04:47.58 | xbmodder-treo | bye |
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| 05:28.01 | tensai | ~bury goozbach |
| 05:28.02 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on goozbach |
| 06:38.11 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:38.28 | maquis | this is certainly unusual byu-related spam |
| 06:38.45 | colera | hp unix blows |
| 06:38.50 | SpecialK | ~praise maquis |
| 06:38.52 | ibot | All hail maquis! |
| 06:39.05 | colera | wordpress is seriously cool |
| 06:39.15 | maquis | some girl (a byu student), spammed me with the fact that if i help her sell her housing contract, God will pour out blessings upon me forever |
| 06:39.28 | colera | lol |
| 06:40.10 | maquis | so, i'm deciding whether to email back and ask how in the world she got my email address |
| 06:40.24 | colera | you should |
| 06:41.58 | tensai | maquis: email back and tell her you had a vision that she should drop out of college |
| 06:42.11 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 06:42.23 | maquis | ooh... i didn't notice that part... |
| 06:42.40 | colera | maquis: what? |
| 06:42.48 | maquis | she's offering a finder's bonus... 25$ |
| 06:43.08 | colera | oh wow : P |
| 06:55.19 | Tene | So she's claiming to be God? |
| 06:55.30 | maquis | dunno |
| 06:55.42 | maquis | she's claiminst to be leaving on a mission, at least |
| 07:11.59 | levi | The sister missionaries tracted into me a month ago. |
| 07:12.08 | Tene | did you kill them? |
| 07:12.27 | levi | I saw them again at church on Sunday, during a ward council meeting. One is from England, the other from North Carolina. |
| 07:14.01 | levi | A bunch of people in the room had been to England, and they talked about that for a while. I mentioned that I'd lived in North Carolina, but no one but the poor sister from there cared, so I didn't get to share anything. |
| 07:15.39 | tensai | ~pity levi |
| 07:15.40 | ibot | I pity da fool levi! |
| 07:15.46 | Tene | ~expand levi |
| 07:15.52 | Tene | ~compress levi |
| 07:15.58 | Tene | ~normalize levi |
| 07:16.04 | Tene | ~skew levi |
| 07:16.11 | levi | Well, I feel more sorry for the poor NC sister than I do for me. |
| 07:16.13 | Tene | ~elongate levi |
| 07:16.22 | Tene | ~bisect levi |
| 07:16.34 | Tene | ~solidify levi |
| 07:16.37 | levi | I always got annoyed when I got more or less ignored because I had a companion from somewhere odd. |
| 07:16.38 | Tene | ~integrate levi |
| 07:16.48 | Tene | ~differentiate levi |
| 07:16.58 | Tene | :( stupid ibot |
| 07:17.11 | levi | Such as my illegal Albanian companion. |
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| 14:10.37 | graphyx | morning. |
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| 15:52.20 | hans | an interesting article (and guilt trip) |
| 15:52.20 | hans | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8680 |
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| 15:52.51 | hans | tensai: no trouble getting gizmo to work with asterisk here |
| 15:53.21 | hans | with the exception that I can't call myself from myself (asterisk to asterisk via gizmo) |
| 15:53.39 | hans | but I can call gizmo from asterisk and vice versa |
| 15:53.53 | tensai | well paint me blue and call me a smurf |
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| 15:54.39 | hans | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+settings+Gizmo |
| 15:55.28 | hans | brac: hello |
| 15:55.28 | brac | yo hans! |
| 15:56.13 | hans | brac, you're insane |
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| 16:06.11 | sjansen | Well paint me blue and call me a smurf! |
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| 16:09.26 | graphyx | ~paintblue sjansen |
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| 16:23.33 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:23.43 | colera | good morning |
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| 16:28.54 | emcnabb | good Morning! |
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| 16:37.23 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/s_parents.jpg |
| 16:38.30 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/peace_s.jpg |
| 16:38.48 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/dodo_s.jpg |
| 16:45.00 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/universal.jpg |
| 16:45.14 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/s_ounce.jpg |
| 16:46.14 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/girlscout_s.jpg |
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| 16:48.03 | sjansen | http://www.a-human-right.com/s_doors.jpg |
| 16:50.34 | sjansen | http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/arms/allpink4803 |
| 16:55.20 | graphyx | sjansen: Are you acting as a web spider today? |
| 17:00.42 | tensai | I'm guessing he reading either Jayce^'s or ERS's blog |
| 17:01.06 | Jayce^ | hehe... no not me.. |
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| 17:05.09 | maquis | ipes! |
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| 17:10.01 | maquis | ~paint TimRiker |
| 17:10.10 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on TimRiker |
| 17:10.46 | hans | hmm, supposedly traveling 800 miles or more it's supposed to be more economical to fly than drive. I'm not seeing it |
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| 17:11.02 | hans | actually, on the other hand it is competitive if there's only one traveler |
| 17:11.15 | levi | hans: Yeah, I think number of travellers makes a big difference there. |
| 17:11.33 | maquis | hans: my guess is that the original statement was made in reference to one driver |
| 17:11.35 | maquis | er |
| 17:11.37 | hans | we're only two (and a free baby) but $300 vs $600 is quite a difference. :) |
| 17:11.39 | maquis | one person |
| 17:12.13 | maquis | hans: are ou taking into account things like food... |
| 17:12.16 | tensai | maquis: I would assume that if there's only one person it would have to be the driver |
| 17:12.27 | maquis | tensai: i hope so |
| 17:12.35 | xbmodder-treo | hans: where are you going |
| 17:12.39 | hans | food, hidden costs in driving, etc. |
| 17:12.48 | maquis | hans: ok... |
| 17:12.59 | hans | and it works out to be about 300 to drive too |
| 17:13.04 | hans | (round trip) |
| 17:13.07 | hans | utah |
| 17:13.10 | maquis | and will you have to stay the night someplace on the way? |
| 17:13.20 | xbmodder-treo | shelter? |
| 17:13.23 | hans | nah, we'll just drive through. or maybe stay at a friends in santa fe |
| 17:13.34 | hans | er, albuquerque I suppose is more on the way |
| 17:13.39 | maquis | that might be part of their calculation |
| 17:13.41 | hans | (friends there too) |
| 17:13.47 | xbmodder-treo | cool |
| 17:13.55 | hans | but it's doable as a straight-through (but not necessarily fun) |
| 17:13.55 | tensai | don't forget that if you fly you have no local transportation |
| 17:14.05 | hans | right |
| 17:14.11 | maquis | and if the baby was 2 or older, they'd be taking into account parental sanity, probably |
| 17:14.26 | hans | and if I drive I can deduct the whole thing as a business expense, whereas if I fly I can only deduct my ticket. :) |
| 17:14.53 | maquis | hans: that's an important point as well |
| 17:15.02 | xbmodder-treo | drive - taxes hurt |
| 17:15.12 | tensai | driving or flying with kids, both suck |
| 17:15.51 | maquis | tensai: true... but at least flying with kids is shorter :) |
| 17:16.20 | tensai | not if you get stuck in an airport because there was fog in san francisco and congestion in chicago |
| 17:16.25 | xbmodder-treo | just get a dvd player and a good movie! |
| 17:16.25 | xbmodder-treo | :) |
| 17:16.25 | hans | but driving, if they wail you don't have to worry about disturbing Mr. T's sleep |
| 17:16.33 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 17:17.01 | tensai | I spent a night in the san francisco airport and I would not like to do that again with kids |
| 17:17.45 | xbmodder-treo | tensai: sfo is better than most... |
| 17:17.50 | tensai | plus there's no strip search when you drive |
| 17:17.56 | xbmodder-treo | did the airline give you a lounge |
| 17:18.44 | hans | driving is also more flexible as to when you leave and come |
| 17:18.47 | xbmodder-treo | sfo was embarresing I accidentally went through an experimental machine (that wasn't fully setup) and it went off |
| 17:18.47 | xbmodder-treo | lol |
| 17:19.24 | xbmodder-treo | but accidents and other hazards can delay you. |
| 17:20.26 | maquis | hans: i'm currently trying to look at flying vs driving in terms of which i'd prefer if both were free.... |
| 17:20.33 | maquis | and i'm not sure which i'd prefer |
| 17:21.13 | hans | if both were free, flying for sure (assuming 60% or more time savings) |
| 17:21.28 | hans | if I weren't going as far, probably driving |
| 17:21.31 | xbmodder-treo | if you could splurge: flying |
| 17:21.32 | hans | I like to drive |
| 17:21.48 | xbmodder-treo | do you all have me /ignore'd |
| 17:21.56 | levi | I'd take flying hands-down for long trips, if they're both free. |
| 17:22.13 | hans | driving also has more legroom, for us big people |
| 17:22.22 | levi | I've done my share of driving across the country. |
| 17:22.28 | xbmodder-treo | ~say xbmodder asks if you all have him ignored |
| 17:22.30 | ibot | xbmodder asks if you all have him ignored |
| 17:22.33 | levi | hans: Not if you have to sit in the back seat. |
| 17:22.46 | phinux | I wouldn't mind driving for long trips, as long as I don't have to be the driver. Cars tend to be less crowded and it's easier to appreciate the scenery. |
| 17:22.52 | hans | levi: very few cars I have been in are worse for legroom than an airplane |
| 17:22.56 | hans | even in the back seat. |
| 17:23.03 | levi | hans: You're in the car for a LOT longer. |
| 17:23.08 | hans | yes |
| 17:23.08 | Jayce^ | long trips, I have to be the driver, can't ride that long.. |
| 17:23.28 | Jayce^ | can't sleep in a car, can't read either... driving is the only thing that keeps the sanity.. |
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| 17:23.39 | Jayce^ | especially with the kids and the dog |
| 17:23.55 | levi | I can sleep and read just fine in both planes and cars, as long as I'm not driving, of course. |
| 17:24.15 | levi | Except, on long trips, I'm driving most of the time. |
| 17:24.26 | hans | there doesn't seem to be a problem with the package, and I don't remember giving it permission to overwrite |
| 17:24.32 | hans | must be losing my mind |
| 17:25.00 | Jayce^ | the handy thing about not being able to sleep in the car, is we can do the long drives at night, with the kids sleeping.. |
| 17:25.12 | Jayce^ | that is definately the way to make a long drive with kids |
| 17:25.44 | hans | yes it is |
| 17:27.55 | levi | The last few night road trips I've been on, I've got dangerously tired, to the point of falling half-asleep. I was still aware of the road, to some degree, but I couldn't stay in my lane and could barely keep my eyes open. I had to wake up a passenger to talk to me, which helped immensely. |
| 17:29.28 | hans | there's also pulling over. :) I find radio helps, and if music doesn't help it's time for some good ol' AM talk radio |
| 17:29.38 | hans | nothing keeps me up like stupid people saying stupid things |
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| 17:29.47 | levi | Neither music nor talk radio works for me. I have to have real conversation. |
| 17:29.52 | hans | or interesting people saying stupid things |
| 17:30.30 | phinux | Music works if I can sing along, but there can't be anyone else in the car. No one wants to hear me sing. |
| 17:31.31 | levi | Singing along helps for a while, but I really need interaction that wakes up my mind. |
| 17:31.57 | Jayce^ | levi, I usually wind up talking to the radio, or singing along with it (hey, it's just the wife and kids, so they *have* to deal with it) |
| 17:32.11 | phinux | I think you're right about conversation being the best. After all, then there's another person monitoring you. |
| 17:32.38 | Jayce^ | audiobooks are pretty good too |
| 17:32.45 | levi | Conversation has a totally different effect on my mind than just listening to something. |
| 17:32.46 | Jayce^ | good books |
| 17:32.49 | jsmith | Jayce^: Depends on the book |
| 17:32.55 | phinux | No, they are not. |
| 17:33.00 | Jayce^ | jsmith, yours of course, as read by you :-p |
| 17:33.11 | phinux | People talk to slow on audio books. |
| 17:33.37 | Jayce^ | obviously listening to 2nd Nephi aint going to help much, but an intersting story will always keep me alert |
| 17:33.37 | hans | phinux: project gutenberg+festival |
| 17:33.42 | hans | you can control the speed. :) |
| 17:33.47 | hans | even if it's unintelligble |
| 17:38.02 | RyanE | I'm with levi. I get pretty sleepy if I'm driving late (after midnight) and someone isn't talking to me. |
| 17:39.23 | levi | I can stay awake nearly indefinitely if I can keep my mind engaged. But comfortable chairs in the dark with no mental engagement start to put me to sleep right away. |
| 17:40.52 | RyanE | and those nice mesmerizing white lines coming at me... Zzzzzz |
| 17:41.48 | Jayce^ | I just let the flashing blue and white lights behind me keep me up |
| 17:42.16 | RyanE | blue and white? why not blue and red? |
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| 17:45.14 | Tene | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051121164438.htm |
| 17:45.15 | brac | [Mildly Depressed People More Perceptive Than Others] |
| 17:47.09 | levi | They are probably mildly depressed /because/ they're more aware of the feelings of others. ;) |
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| 17:50.09 | jsmith | levi: Ding! Ding! Ding! I think we have a winner... |
| 17:54.17 | hans | they say they were way surprised. I am not surprised |
| 17:55.24 | markl_ | i think you ought to know i'm feeling very depressed |
| 17:55.36 | hans | ~marvin marlk |
| 17:56.24 | markl_ | heh is there a ~marvin bot feature |
| 17:56.26 | markl_ | great idea |
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| 18:43.01 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 18:43.07 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 18:43.48 | findlay | maquis: firefox? |
| 18:43.51 | maquis | yup |
| 18:44.20 | maquis | wow... this guy's gallery is pretty cool |
| 18:45.02 | findlay | Edit->Preferences->Web Features->Enable Javascript->Advanced...->Move or resize existing windows |
| 18:45.42 | maquis | cool |
| 18:45.43 | maquis | thanks |
| 18:46.32 | maquis | bobelsdale.com |
| 18:46.35 | maquis | check that out |
| 18:48.23 | jsmith | Cool. |
| 18:49.00 | maquis | book 2 is very different from book 1 |
| 18:49.19 | hans | http://bobelsdale.com/ |
| 18:49.20 | brac | [Nildram Windows 2000 Web Space - NLW2K4] |
| 18:49.20 | hans | ? |
| 18:49.40 | hans | what's cool about a placeholder? |
| 18:49.45 | jsmith | hans: You have to put the www on the front. |
| 18:49.50 | jsmith | hans: I know, it's stupid |
| 18:50.59 | jsmith | maquis: Good call -- some of those photos are amazing |
| 18:51.03 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:51.06 | hans | holy resizing popup windows, batman |
| 18:51.13 | maquis | i like book 1 better, but they're both cool |
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| 18:55.10 | findlay | maquis: do your window manager windows have title bars? |
| 18:59.52 | maquis | findlay: no |
| 19:00.01 | maquis | why? |
| 19:00.12 | findlay | does it use vanilla xterm? |
| 19:00.30 | maquis | i use Eterm... |
| 19:00.35 | findlay | just wondering |
| 19:00.48 | maquis | evil uses xterm by default, though |
| 19:09.45 | findlay | holy bloat, Batman, OO has its own copy of boost, stlport, python, *and* freetype |
| 19:12.59 | maquis | why do we have to use c++???? |
| 19:13.34 | hans | be glad you don' thave to do it in assembly? |
| 19:13.42 | maquis | hans: i suppose |
| 19:13.55 | maquis | so, the linker is telling me that new and delete are not defined |
| 19:14.08 | maquis | do i have to #include anything to get those??? |
| 19:14.17 | hans | sounds like you're not linking in C++ mode |
| 19:14.38 | hans | what's the linking command you're using? |
| 19:14.53 | maquis | hans: i'm just using gcc -x c++ foo.cpp |
| 19:15.05 | hans | why not g++ foo.cpp? |
| 19:15.06 | findlay | maquis: you should use g++ |
| 19:15.17 | maquis | grr |
| 19:15.22 | maquis | always forget about that |
| 19:15.31 | maquis | why doesn't gcc -x c++ work, then? |
| 19:15.51 | hans | the question is, how can you remember gcc -x c++? |
| 19:15.58 | findlay | looks like it should, actually |
| 19:16.10 | maquis | hans: i looked it up, since i forgot about g++ |
| 19:16.28 | maquis | ~lart xmms for stoping anytime my background changes |
| 19:16.58 | findlay | ~lart maquis' morphing backgrounds |
| 19:17.15 | hans | maquis: sounds like a latency problem to me |
| 19:17.25 | hans | increase your xmms buffer size, or get low latency |
| 19:17.43 | maquis | hans: would that make it completely stop until i pause/unpause? |
| 19:17.52 | maquis | and how do i increase the buffer-size? |
| 19:18.08 | hans | make what stop? |
| 19:18.14 | findlay | hans: would it have anything to do with whether the kernel has a preemptive scheduler? |
| 19:18.27 | maquis | hans: playback completely stops |
| 19:18.28 | hans | findlay: something to do with it yes |
| 19:18.44 | hans | wav and CD are both uncompressed |
| 19:18.47 | maquis | anytime the cpu spikes |
| 19:18.48 | hans | the same size buffer holds less time |
| 19:18.57 | hans | more likely anytime the disk usage spikes |
| 19:19.34 | maquis | hans: mmk... i didn't check that krellm, so it could be... |
| 19:21.06 | maquis | ok... i doubled the "buffer time" in xmms' preferences... hopefully that'll work |
| 19:21.10 | maquis | hans: thanks |
| 19:28.53 | bonez41 | is it possible to start a new room/channel? |
| 19:29.07 | findlay | Bach 2000 for $994.99. Should I get it? |
| 19:29.24 | findlay | someone hold me back from the temptation |
| 19:29.37 | hans | you should buy me an mp3 player instead |
| 19:29.51 | hans | you'll still have enough left over for the complete works of a lesser composer |
| 19:30.00 | findlay | hans: your jedi mind tricks don't work on me |
| 19:46.01 | sjansen | You should donate the money to me so that I can expand my collections of great 80's music and modern country hits. |
| 19:46.22 | findlay | nooooo!!!@! |
| 19:46.39 | Tene | findlay: what does the '2000' signify? |
| 19:47.02 | graphyx | What is the best way to run system commands in perl and get the out put? |
| 19:47.03 | graphyx | sys? |
| 19:47.11 | findlay | Tene: not sure. Most likely because it came out just before AD 2000 |
| 19:47.26 | Tene | graphyx: $output = `command` |
| 19:47.28 | sjansen | graphyx: Do you care about stderr? |
| 19:47.33 | graphyx | no. |
| 19:47.43 | graphyx | well I don't think I care about stderr. |
| 19:47.49 | graphyx | We will see later Thanks Tene |
| 19:54.59 | graphyx | anyone see any problem with these 2 lines of perl? |
| 19:54.59 | graphyx | my $full = 65535; #Number of ports to scan. |
| 19:55.00 | graphyx | my &setSize = 1000; #In groups of: |
| 19:55.05 | graphyx | I am getting compile errors on them. |
| 19:55.22 | graphyx | such as : syntax error at ./nmapscatter.pl line 6, near "my &setSize" |
| 19:55.44 | graphyx | nvm. |
| 19:55.45 | graphyx | I see it., |
| 20:08.48 | findlay | Jaba, this is your last chance. Free us or die. |
| 20:08.52 | graphyx | how would I strip everything from a line except the first number found in the line? |
| 20:08.57 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.12 | findlay | graphyx: does that not work? |
| 20:09.17 | graphyx | no. |
| 20:09.45 | findlay | don't you need a quantfier for '*'? |
| 20:09.54 | graphyx | I have $str = "123abc"; $str =~ /(\d+)*/$1/; print $str |
| 20:10.00 | graphyx | And it gives 123abc |
| 20:10.22 | findlay | you need \w* or something like that, not just * |
| 20:10.32 | findlay | right? |
| 20:10.39 | graphyx | What about everything until the end of the line? |
| 20:11.02 | graphyx | needed .* |
| 20:11.04 | graphyx | That got it. |
| 20:11.05 | findlay | * means zero or more of the previous (meta)character |
| 20:11.10 | findlay | that's it |
| 20:11.13 | Tene | (\d+).* |
| 20:11.35 | Tene | ^(\d+).*$, even |
| 20:11.41 | Tene | (anchors are good) |
| 20:12.01 | findlay | ^: beginning $: end? |
| 20:12.36 | Tene | nodnod |
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| 20:21.35 | graphyx | What is the atoi equivalent in perl? |
| 20:22.11 | graphyx | I am comparing a number defined in perl against a string output that is a number. |
| 20:22.24 | findlay | doesn't perl do it automagically? |
| 20:22.31 | levi | I believe it does. |
| 20:22.49 | graphyx | I am getting errors when trying to do the compare though. |
| 20:22.52 | findlay | graphyx: depends on the context |
| 20:23.15 | graphyx | what about $a = 1; $b = "2"; if ($a < $b) { ...} |
| 20:23.19 | emcnabb | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/22/ugly.dog.ap/index.html |
| 20:23.21 | brac | [CNN.com - 'Ugly dog' Sam dies at 14 - Nov 22, 2005] |
| 20:25.24 | levi | I find it funny when people try to claim perl is strongly typed. |
| 20:29.26 | levi | The argument goes that perl is strongly typed, it just has very few types, i.e. scalar, array, etc. |
| 20:31.13 | graphyx | Ok I found my issue. |
| 20:31.31 | graphyx | compare of a wrong variable. |
| 20:31.52 | sjansen | maquis: Dogs are people. You can't just choose who to love based on how they look. |
| 20:32.39 | sjansen | I think it's funny the woman's boyfriend broke up with her because she had an ugly dog. |
| 20:33.09 | maquis | i saw that... |
| 20:41.36 | maquis | -lart c++ |
| 20:43.39 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:43.49 | levi | Why are you larting c++? |
| 20:44.21 | maquis | cuz it's annoying |
| 20:44.23 | sjansen | emcnabb is my hero |
| 20:44.30 | maquis | sjansen: why? |
| 20:44.33 | emcnabb | um, no |
| 20:44.41 | levi | maquis: Well, that's a good reason. |
| 20:44.59 | sjansen | emcnabb: If I tell you you're my hero, then you're my hero! |
| 20:45.07 | emcnabb | um, no |
| 20:45.13 | sjansen | ~praise emcnabb |
| 20:45.16 | ibot | All hail emcnabb! |
| 20:45.19 | emcnabb | um, no |
| 20:45.49 | emcnabb | um, no |
| 20:45.54 | findlay | sjansen |
| 20:46.04 | emcnabb | um, no :-) |
| 20:46.04 | maquis | sjansen: why is emcnabb your hero? |
| 20:46.12 | emcnabb | I'm not shy |
| 20:46.26 | sjansen | emcnabb is a real Linux guru |
| 20:46.26 | findlay | sJaNsEn |
| 20:46.43 | emcnabb | I just showed him a command, and he liked it |
| 20:46.50 | maquis | emcnabb: what command? |
| 20:46.52 | emcnabb | but he shows me cool stuff all the time |
| 20:46.54 | emcnabb | so it's payback |
| 20:47.15 | emcnabb | um, no |
| 20:47.22 | maquis | haha |
| 20:47.38 | sjansen | it's the pressue I tell you, emcnabb can't handle the pressure |
| 20:48.43 | findlay | I think lars' command is pretty much the best one out there |
| 20:51.45 | sjansen | sudo $(echo ez -Rs / | tr '[a-m][n-z]' '[n-z][a-m]') |
| 20:53.44 | emcnabb | the really command is... :-) |
| 20:54.15 | emcnabb | I had downloaded ~15 - 20 RPMs into a directory and wanted to uninstall them |
| 20:54.21 | maquis | ok |
| 20:54.32 | maquis | uninstall them? |
| 20:54.37 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:54.39 | hans | rpm -e |
| 20:54.50 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 20:54.54 | emcnabb | but I needed to get the names of the packages |
| 20:54.58 | emcnabb | rpm -qp --qf " %{NAME}" * |xargs rpm -e |
| 20:55.28 | hans | rpm won't take the .rpm filename? yikes |
| 20:55.29 | emcnabb | so I extracted the name from the RPM package itself and then un-installed it from the system |
| 20:56.04 | maquis | what's the " %{NAME}" part do? |
| 20:56.13 | hans | it's there for looks |
| 20:56.24 | emcnabb | it did an RPM query and only returned the package name |
| 20:56.29 | maquis | oh |
| 20:58.26 | emcnabb | so you can give dpkg the name of a file and it will remove it from the system? |
| 20:59.36 | hans | i'd have to double check that, but I think so |
| 20:59.57 | hans | rephrasing: I think I've done that before |
| 21:00.20 | emcnabb | ok, I didn't think it could do that, but I could be wrong |
| 21:00.26 | sjansen | ~worship emcnabb |
| 21:00.27 | ibot | ACTION prostrates himself before emcnabb. "I'm not worthy!" |
| 21:01.47 | findlay | rpm names are usually pretty scary looking |
| 21:02.02 | findlay | forget remembering them, or typing them in by hand |
| 21:02.11 | tensai | hans: ping |
| 21:02.13 | emcnabb | you also can't be sure they're named correctly |
| 21:02.37 | emcnabb | you really need to look at the metadata inside of the package |
| 21:02.54 | findlay | this is the one command to rule them all: |
| 21:03.09 | hans | ./sjansen |
| 21:03.14 | findlay | at least the key to it |
| 21:03.15 | sjansen | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 21:03.16 | findlay | http://uvlug.org/pipermail/list/2005-October/000920.html |
| 21:03.26 | emcnabb | this is the one command to rule them all: :(){ :|: };: |
| 21:03.37 | maquis | yay! |
| 21:03.39 | maquis | i like that one! |
| 21:04.13 | maquis | sjansen: but it's such a great command! |
| 21:04.18 | graphyx | sjansen: Could you really run that as root if the partition was mounted? |
| 21:04.27 | sjansen | of course |
| 21:04.38 | emcnabb | I do it all the time to wipe machines |
| 21:04.42 | graphyx | Good thing I only ran it as a user. |
| 21:04.52 | maquis | graphyx: you think that linux would actually stop you? |
| 21:04.53 | sjansen | It's fun watching them eat themselves alive. |
| 21:05.11 | maquis | sjansen: whatching who eat themselves alive? |
| 21:05.17 | graphyx | Perhaps that is a lower level command that isn't dependent on mount. |
| 21:05.38 | graphyx | This reminds me of that one guy who was trying to run viruses using wine. |
| 21:05.46 | sjansen | graphyx: Wow... That's all I can say: Wow. |
| 21:05.55 | maquis | graphyx: haha |
| 21:05.55 | graphyx | You haven't read that? |
| 21:05.55 | emcnabb | it's just sending data to a block device |
| 21:06.04 | emcnabb | it doesn't care if it's mounted or not |
| 21:06.31 | sjansen | I can't believe you actually tried running that dd command. |
| 21:06.37 | graphyx | http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss |
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| 21:06.54 | graphyx | sjansen: No I didn't run it. |
| 21:07.04 | maquis | graphyx: the important thing to know is, if sjansen posts a command, you should *always* figure out what it does before you run it :) |
| 21:07.05 | sjansen | I'm blown away. I'm sitting here not believing it. |
| 21:07.14 | graphyx | -wake up |
| 21:07.23 | maquis | ~wake graphyx |
| 21:07.27 | ibot | graphyx: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:07.32 | graphyx | ~wake brac |
| 21:07.33 | ibot | brac: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:07.53 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
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| 21:14.00 | graphyx | sjansen: Just in case you missed it. I didn't actually run the command. |
| 21:14.15 | sjansen | Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrreeeee. |
| 21:14.45 | graphyx | Do you think so little of yourself that someone who has used you as a mentor would fall for something so fatal? |
| 21:15.08 | sjansen | yup |
| 21:15.20 | graphyx | That's pretty sad. |
| 21:15.25 | graphyx | ~sat -lart sjansen |
| 21:15.33 | graphyx | ~say -lart sjansen |
| 21:15.34 | ibot | -lart sjansen |
| 21:15.35 | maquis | graphyx: he's taught me plenty of things... |
| 21:16.17 | graphyx | maquis: That is what I am saying. he has taught me stuff to and now he thinks that he is such a bad teacher that a "student" would format his own system unknowingly. |
| 21:17.12 | sjansen | "Me thinks though doth protest too much." -- William Shakespeare |
| 21:17.22 | emcnabb | everyone lart sjansen! |
| 21:17.25 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:17.27 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 21:17.29 | sjansen | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:36.59 | hans | heh. the end is playing their entire library alphabetically starting tomorrow morning at 10 |
| 21:36.59 | tensai | load average: 110.56, 109.19, 91.97 |
| 21:37.03 | tensai | ouch |
| 21:37.36 | Jayce^ | hans, I really don't think it's the *entire* library.. that would go farther than just that long |
| 21:38.12 | hans | well they didn't say entire, but they didn't say partial either. |
| 21:38.14 | hans | Starting tomorrow morning at 10, right after Chunga & Mister, and |
| 21:38.14 | hans | continuing through Saturday at midnight, we'll playing the End music |
| 21:38.14 | hans | library - alphabetically, by title - from A to Z. |
| 21:38.27 | mrpull- | a-z radio shows are good stuff |
| 21:39.46 | hans | i'd be surprised if the djs here can alphabetize at all |
| 21:40.29 | RyanE | hans: I'm pretty sure djs here can't alphebetize, either. They have computers to do that for them. |
| 21:40.41 | sjansen | Anyone know of a good, configurable XML reformatter? |
| 21:40.50 | jsmith | reformatter? |
| 21:41.01 | hans | tidy? |
| 21:41.04 | hans | vim? |
| 21:41.16 | RyanE | rm? |
| 21:41.36 | synic | any reason a server wouldn't be using swap - even if there's low ram? |
| 21:41.41 | sjansen | hans: vim? |
| 21:41.59 | sjansen | synic: Is the swap enabled? |
| 21:42.10 | synic | if you mean swapon /dev/whatever, then yes. |
| 21:42.21 | RyanE | http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/2005-May/014933.html |
| 21:42.22 | brac | [command line xml reformatter] |
| 21:42.34 | graphyx | RyanE: rm stands for reforMatter.. right? |
| 21:42.43 | RyanE | graphyx: yeah, that's the ticket. |
| 21:43.14 | sjansen | Heh, so I google "xml reformatter" and there's my e-mail to Plug from a few moons ago right at the top of the list. |
| 21:43.37 | graphyx | That's amusing. |
| 21:43.39 | RyanE | yeah, that's what I posted. I did the same. :) |
| 21:43.46 | sjansen | I remember looking at tidy and deciding it couldn't do the job. |
| 21:44.02 | RyanE | have you tried XML indent? |
| 21:44.39 | hans | what about rexml? a short script that reads it in and prints it out "pretty" wouldn't be hard |
| 21:44.48 | hans | i know you hate rexml... but there you go |
| 21:46.31 | sjansen | Which reminds me, I wonder how my REXML bug reports are doing... |
| 21:46.38 | sjansen | RyanE: XML indent? |
| 21:47.55 | RyanE | http://xmlindent.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:47.56 | brac | [XML Indent] |
| 21:48.11 | RyanE | a little further down that google that your post was #1 |
| 21:48.31 | hans | yikes. doesn't do utf-8 |
| 21:49.09 | graphyx | Can I use chomp to remove , ? |
| 21:49.44 | graphyx | nvm. split removed the character split on, right? |
| 21:51.11 | sjansen | Has to support Unicode. |
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| 21:59.39 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 22:02.33 | emcnabb | ~destroy sjansen |
| 22:02.36 | ibot | no |
| 22:02.43 | emcnabb | dang you ibot! |
| 22:02.55 | graphyx | how do you print to stderr from a perl script? |
| 22:03.57 | hans | print STDERR, "your dog died"; |
| 22:04.02 | hans | based on my very very stale memory of perl |
| 22:04.03 | graphyx | Ok thanks. |
| 22:04.19 | graphyx | Is your dog died one of those standard errors? |
| 22:04.26 | hans | -urls |
| 22:04.26 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:47:57] <RyanE> http://xmlindent.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:04.26 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:42:23] <RyanE> http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/2005-May/014933.html |
| 22:04.26 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:06:40] <graphyx> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss |
| 22:04.26 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:03:18] <findlay> http://uvlug.org/pipermail/list/2005-October/000920.html |
| 22:04.38 | hans | -urls 10 |
| 22:04.38 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:47:57] <RyanE> http://xmlindent.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:04.38 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:42:23] <RyanE> http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/2005-May/014933.html |
| 22:04.39 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:06:40] <graphyx> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss |
| 22:04.39 | brac | [2005/11/22 14:03:18] <findlay> http://uvlug.org/pipermail/list/2005-October/000920.html |
| 22:04.39 | graphyx | welcome back brac |
| 22:04.41 | brac | [2005/11/22 13:23:21] <emcnabb> http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/22/ugly.dog.ap/index.html |
| 22:04.41 | brac | [2005/11/22 11:49:21] <hans> http://bobelsdale.com/ |
| 22:04.41 | brac | [2005/11/22 10:45:16] <Tene> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051121164438.htm |
| 22:04.43 | brac | [2005/11/22 09:50:36] <sjansen> http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/arms/allpink4803 |
| 22:04.45 | brac | [2005/11/22 09:48:05] <sjansen> http://www.a-human-right.com/s_doors.jpg |
| 22:04.47 | brac | [2005/11/22 09:46:16] <sjansen> http://www.a-human-right.com/girlscout_s.jpg |
| 22:05.14 | sjansen | graphyx: I'd use die, carp, etc. |
| 22:05.37 | graphyx | I want it to continue just put out warnings that don't get output since the output is headed to a pipe. |
| 22:05.49 | tensai | hans: no comma. print STDERR "your dog died"; |
| 22:05.58 | graphyx | what is carp? |
| 22:06.10 | jsmith | graphyx: It's a type of fish :-) |
| 22:06.30 | graphyx | jsmith: I was up at omniture last friday. But you were't. |
| 22:06.32 | sjansen | A function like die, but IIRC it doesn't exit. Perl has a whole collection of functions for reporting error messages. |
| 22:06.36 | graphyx | weren't. |
| 22:06.48 | graphyx | I couldn't find carp in perldoc |
| 22:06.50 | jsmith | graphyx: Nope... I was in Dallas... |
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| 22:08.44 | sjansen | http://perl.active-venture.com/lib/Carp.html |
| 22:08.45 | brac | [Perl 5.8 Documentation - carp - warn of errors] |
| 22:08.47 | Jayce^ | graphyx, STDERR is just a filehandle, so as he mentioned, just print to it.. carp is a (default) extension (use carp) perldoc it for some nice functionality |
| 22:08.53 | Jayce^ | also, look at 'warn' |
| 22:20.49 | sjansen | xmlformat was looking good, until I read the last paragraph of the BUGS file and found it couldn't handle multi-byte files |
| 22:21.21 | sjansen | in this day and age, a failing like that should be more prominently displayed |
| 22:23.00 | RyanE | couldn't handle multi-byte files? Seems kind of limiting that it can only handle files of size 1. :) |
| 22:23.23 | RyanE | *I* can write an xml formatter that only handles files of one byte. :) |
| 22:23.55 | sjansen | ~slap RyanE |
| 22:23.56 | ibot | ACTION slaps RyanE, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:24.40 | Tene | Bloody hell, this guy is the least competent "sysadmin" or even "technical person" I have ever had the unpleasant experience of working with. |
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| 22:25.56 | graphyx | Tene: What company? |
| 22:26.14 | graphyx | Lets post our gripes in the channel so that we know what companies to stay away from. |
| 22:26.35 | Tene | Well, if he was competent, they wouldn't need us to do everything for them. |
| 22:26.53 | graphyx | Oh.. a cleint. |
| 22:26.57 | graphyx | That's different. |
| 22:27.06 | graphyx | I meant those you pay money for help to.. |
| 22:27.10 | sjansen | ☠ ☠ ☠ ☠ ☠ RyanE ☠ ☠ ☠ ☠ ☠ |
| 22:27.13 | graphyx | Not those paying money to you for help. |
| 22:27.47 | Tene | yeah |
| 22:28.29 | Tene | the first time we heard about them hiring him was when their email server suddenly died in the middle of the day |
| 22:28.57 | Tene | we finally discovered that he had set up a random wireless router on the same IP |
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| 22:29.55 | graphyx | umm... That's a very very bad item to list on an network admin's list of accomplishments. |
| 22:30.03 | *** part/#utah harleypig (n=ayoung@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 22:30.30 | RyanE | sjansen: your jedi unicode tricks won't work on me... my irssi only understands dumb-as-brick ASCII. |
| 22:31.07 | Tene | *my* irssi understands unicode just fine |
| 22:31.32 | RyanE | Tene: I wasn't implying that *everyone's* irssi was retarded, just mine. |
| 22:31.46 | Tene | well, yes |
| 22:31.52 | RyanE | and if you're trying to make me jealous, you'll have to try harder. :) |
| 22:31.53 | Tene | and I was implying that mine is better than yours |
| 22:32.00 | RyanE | try harder. :) |
| 22:32.26 | Tene | check out my ctcp version response |
| 22:34.48 | Tene | Now are you jealous? |
| 22:35.08 | RyanE | Tene: you're still using *gold*-plated diamond cupholders? HAHAHAHAHHA! Everyone knows that *platinum*-plated is the rage of the day. |
| 22:36.34 | Tene | No no no, "diamon" |
| 22:37.01 | Jayce^ | You've got Neil Diamond in your cupholder? |
| 22:38.09 | RyanE | no, I've got *neil diamond's* cupholder. He left it after our last Racquetball game. Don't ask. |
| 22:38.25 | RyanE | platinum-plated, of course. |
| 22:38.54 | Tene | platinum-plated racquetball, cupholder, or neil diamond? |
| 22:40.37 | sjansen | ~steal RyanE's fist of death |
| 22:40.38 | ibot | ACTION grabs RyanE's fist of death and gives it to sjansen |
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| 22:40.59 | RyanE | sjansen: I've still got another... |
| 22:41.03 | sjansen | RyanE: Now _I_ control your fist of death! |
| 22:42.29 | RyanE | so how fast would you all think that tickets to a Christmas handbell choir concert would sell out? |
| 22:42.38 | RyanE | (free tickets, btw) |
| 22:43.03 | sjansen | How many tickets? It's going to take longer to see 10,000 tickets than 10 tickets. |
| 22:43.10 | RyanE | 800 |
| 22:43.35 | sjansen | And where is the show? A show in LA is going to sell out faster than a show in Missoula. |
| 22:44.13 | RyanE | ok, details: lds.org Bells on Temple Square. Libbey Gardner hall, U of U |
| 22:44.53 | sjansen | a handful of days, or less |
| 22:45.06 | RyanE | how about < 10 minutes. |
| 22:45.36 | RyanE | by the time they picked up the 800 number, they were sold out. Neither my wife nor I were able to get tickets online, either. |
| 22:46.06 | Tene | You're not supposed to get tickets by ordering them. |
| 22:46.15 | Tene | You're supposed to get tickets through "connections" |
| 22:46.54 | RyanE | apparently, someone did... just not us. We're hoping they give out some tickets to choir member's families. |
| 22:47.52 | levi | I don't imagine there are any ticket 'brokers' you could go to for that one, either. |
| 22:48.06 | RyanE | me either |
| 22:48.25 | RyanE | their fall concert was awesome, if you like that sort of thing. |
| 22:51.51 | levi | I used to go to the choir & orchestra Christmas concert every year, while I had the connections to get those. |
| 22:52.50 | RyanE | levi: we're going to that one, it's in the Conference Center, so you can generally get tickets for that, if you try early enough. |
| 22:52.55 | RyanE | also, they're doing 3 shows. |
| 22:53.12 | levi | It was really cool until they moved it to the conference center. |
| 22:53.25 | RyanE | yeah, but they're still selling out in the conference center. |
| 22:53.36 | levi | It's still cool, but the live performance feel is now gone. |
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| 22:54.07 | RyanE | I wonder if they'll go back to the Tabernacle, like they said they would for Music and the Spoken Word? |
| 22:54.19 | levi | I dunno. |
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| 22:56.06 | xbmodder-treo | hi |
| 22:56.49 | sjansen | ~fart emcnabb |
| 22:56.52 | ibot | ACTION farts in emcnabb's general direction |
| 22:57.19 | xbmodder-treo | :-/ |
| 22:57.28 | xbmodder-treo | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:58.08 | xbmodder-treo | ~win me |
| 22:58.09 | ibot | Congratulations, xbmodder-treo! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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