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| 02:13.00 | maquis | http://gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=2041 |
| 02:25.34 | Newsome | http://homepage.mac.com/ibook238/.Movies/SteveJobsSNL.mov |
| 02:27.04 | maquis | haha |
| 02:27.21 | maquis | he's wearing the wrong color shirt |
| 02:29.41 | maquis | http://gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=2062 |
| 02:32.17 | maquis | http://gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=2061 |
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| 03:22.51 | hans | ~lart udev |
| 03:36.47 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 03:37.18 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
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| 03:43.16 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 03:43.27 | xbmodder-treo | anyone here got bluetooth working?. |
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| 03:44.46 | xbmodder-treo | or a treo 650 with dun |
| 03:45.36 | xbmodder-treo | please god help me |
| 03:47.14 | emcnabb | http://www.gurulabs.com/goodies/Using_Linux_and_Bluetooth_DUN_with_the_Treo650.php |
| 03:47.31 | emcnabb | I do have a Treo 650 w/ DUN working |
| 03:47.32 | xbmodder-treo | emcnabb ir does not work |
| 03:47.46 | xbmodder-treo | ok |
| 03:48.34 | maquis | emcnabb: out of curiosity, how do you take a screenshot of your phone? |
| 03:48.38 | xbmodder-treo | wehn you got dun running and run 'ps aux |grep hci' what does it say |
| 03:49.17 | emcnabb | maquis, there are screenshot apps for PalmOS |
| 03:49.27 | emcnabb | xbmodder-treo, hold on |
| 03:49.36 | xbmodder-treo | ok! |
| 03:49.51 | maquis | emcnabb: cool! |
| 03:52.01 | emcnabb | # ps aux |grep hci |grep -v grep |
| 03:52.01 | emcnabb | root 3088 0.0 0.0 2156 824 ? Ss 20:50 0:00 hcid: processing events |
| 03:52.54 | xbmodder-treo | ok. my phone DOESN'T respond at all to pppd |
| 03:54.15 | xbmodder-treo | p |
| 03:55.31 | xbmodder-treo | any ideas |
| 03:56.11 | mheath | Yeah. Don't waste money on a $500 phone. |
| 03:58.01 | emcnabb | mheath, it hasn't been a waste for me |
| 03:59.13 | maquis | although, i think i've probably heard more cool uses for it than my dad knows of... |
| 03:59.51 | mheath | emcnabb: but is it a necessity? No. And it is a very, very expensive non-necessity. |
| 04:00.48 | emcnabb | Could I get along without it? Yes. Is it VERY useful when traveling around the country? Yes. |
| 04:01.05 | emcnabb | Do I use the data 'net access on it? ALL the time. |
| 04:01.12 | emcnabb | So to me, it's worth it. |
| 04:01.42 | maquis | emcnabb: true... with travel, i'm sure it's a lot more useful |
| 04:01.44 | emcnabb | $500 really isn't a lot when you're making real people money. |
| 04:02.02 | maquis | emcnabb: do you use any of the palm-features? address-book, calendar, etc? |
| 04:02.20 | emcnabb | yes and kind of |
| 04:02.27 | mheath | Small amounts of money make a very, very big difference over time, though, emcnabb :) |
| 04:02.37 | emcnabb | mheath, I know |
| 04:03.09 | maquis | mheath: yes... but with real-people (out of college) money, you can spend for things that will be useful... |
| 04:03.28 | maquis | it's a matter of making smart choices when deciding how to spend your money |
| 04:03.44 | mheath | maquis: It's better to save your money, rather than making unnecessary purchases. |
| 04:03.58 | maquis | and from what i know of emcnabb, he doesn't seem like the type to make unsmart choices in that area |
| 04:04.06 | mheath | The all-in-one knife set you see advertised on infomercials is useful. |
| 04:04.07 | emcnabb | mheath, have you ever made an "unnecessary" purchase? |
| 04:04.09 | mheath | Do you bye that? |
| 04:04.11 | mheath | *buy |
| 04:04.26 | mheath | Do you encourage or promote purchases of such 'useful' things? |
| 04:04.47 | mheath | emcnabb: Of course I have. However, I've never made an unnecessary $500 purchase :) |
| 04:04.47 | emcnabb | no |
| 04:05.26 | emcnabb | well, that $10 you spent on something 5 years ago could be worth a lot more now |
| 04:05.27 | maquis | mheath: when you're out of college and such, 500$ is rather different from what 500$ is when you're not out in the real world... at least that's my understanding from this summer's experiences inthe "real world" |
| 04:05.55 | emcnabb | those "little" purchases add up mheath |
| 04:05.57 | mheath | emcnabb: And please remember that my original comment of wasting $500 on a treo was directed at xbmodder, who is a junior high school student who never travels. |
| 04:06.09 | emcnabb | well, you made a very general statement |
| 04:06.11 | mheath | A professional like yourself who doesn't frequent traveling could make a lot of use out of it. |
| 04:06.13 | emcnabb | I was just correcting oyu |
| 04:06.15 | emcnabb | you |
| 04:06.30 | mheath | A junior high school kid has no reason to have such an expensive thing. |
| 04:06.35 | emcnabb | I agree |
| 04:06.42 | maquis | i'll agree with that |
| 04:07.36 | emcnabb | I just think it would have been more correct to say: "xbmodder, why do you need a $500 phone?" |
| 04:07.46 | emcnabb | or something along those lines |
| 04:08.17 | maquis | but i don't have a need for anything more than just making calls while not at home... |
| 04:08.21 | mheath | And I personally think that the ability to purchase such things teaches irrisponsible financial practices to someone so young... |
| 04:08.23 | emcnabb | I never had a cell phone in college, because I never needed it. Now it's a necessity. |
| 04:09.14 | emcnabb | I agree; when I was growing up I saved 50% of all my jobs |
| 04:09.43 | emcnabb | 50% of the money earned that is |
| 04:10.12 | mheath | I've set a goal to save 80% of all my income after I go active duty. |
| 04:10.39 | emcnabb | mheath: good goal |
| 04:10.50 | maquis | mheath: that's smart |
| 04:11.24 | mheath | That way, I'll be saving about $1,300 / month |
| 04:13.38 | mheath | I'd like to be worth 100 million by the time I retire. (That isn't as unrealistic as it sounds when you consider what I'm going to inherit from my dad and from my grandma's trust) |
| 04:14.21 | emcnabb | I'd like to be worth $100.1 million by the time I retire. |
| 04:14.37 | maquis | lol |
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| 05:46.30 | levi | Heh, funny conversation. |
| 05:49.56 | tensai | ~lart sex in the city |
| 05:50.11 | levi | tensai: Why lart that? |
| 05:50.19 | tensai | s/in/and/ |
| 05:50.47 | tensai | it's been syndicated and it's on right now. my wife likes it. drives me nuts. |
| 05:50.56 | levi | Ahhh. |
| 05:50.59 | levi | Good reason. |
| 05:51.04 | levi | Wives like the darndest things. |
| 05:51.14 | tensai | it's like everything that's wrong about chick flicks bundled into one show |
| 05:51.49 | levi | Fortunately, I don't get whatever channel it's on. And my wife would probably find it too scandalous anyway. |
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| 06:29.33 | levi | Wow, my cousin just had a baby. |
| 06:46.39 | Supaplex | levi: your kid? |
| 06:46.51 | Supaplex | ;) jk! |
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| 13:58.25 | graphyx | Well They finally figured out why the riots in France went on so long. They couldn't figured out who to surrender to. |
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| 15:38.20 | maquis | my dad just sent me a windows-bashing joke that he got someplace |
| 15:38.39 | maquis | i've heard it a few times before, but i just find it funny that my dad decided to forward it to me :) |
| 15:39.46 | mindjuju | what is the joke? |
| 15:40.03 | maquis | Windows is |
| 15:40.03 | maquis | nothing more than a 64 bit tweak of a 32 bit extension to a 16 bit user interface |
| 15:40.03 | maquis | for an 8 bit operating system based on a 4 bit architecture from a 2 bit company |
| 15:40.04 | maquis | that can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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| 15:40.42 | mindjuju | that's pretty good |
| 15:40.47 | maquis | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:41.18 | mindjuju | isn't there a switch you can add to DIR that shows the fullpath to the file ? |
| 15:41.41 | maquis | dir? |
| 15:42.03 | mindjuju | win2k3 DOS shell |
| 15:42.04 | graphyx | I usually use ls -l |
| 15:42.10 | levi | maquis: Heh. Last time I heard that joke, there was no 64 bit part. |
| 15:42.15 | graphyx | I think I have a serious answer for you on that. |
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| 15:42.20 | graphyx | install cygwin and use ls. |
| 15:42.20 | hans | ls `pwd`/foo |
| 15:42.29 | maquis | levi: yeah |
| 15:42.43 | graphyx | levi: It's been updated for the 64 bit world. |
| 15:42.52 | maquis | oh... good... |
| 15:43.01 | maquis | foxtrot is talking about the sony rootkit... |
| 15:43.06 | levi | Unfortunately, it did not really improve the humor value. |
| 15:43.32 | maquis | that's good... some of my friends still haven't heard about the rootkit (aside from what i've told them) |
| 15:43.57 | hans | hope your friends don't like celine dion |
| 15:44.26 | hans | neaaaaaar, faaaaaaar, whereeeeeevveer you are (singing about the sony drm software) |
| 15:44.42 | maquis | hans: actually... if any of them do have an infected cd, i might be willing to buy it off them to play with it |
| 15:45.23 | maquis | hehehe |
| 15:45.29 | maquis | userfriendly is funny today |
| 15:46.34 | hans | ahh, a whole week with no class |
| 15:46.54 | levi | hans: Nice. :) |
| 15:46.58 | levi | I have classes today only. |
| 15:47.46 | maquis | but hey... |
| 15:47.48 | hans | then next week is the last week of class. one of my classes, we've finished the course material. in the others we have one day left |
| 15:47.50 | maquis | that's a short week |
| 15:47.53 | hans | then review, and then finals |
| 15:48.01 | levi | Look, Dave Letterman is taking the discussions!!!!111 ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/miner/64102138/in/pool-lds/ |
| 15:48.39 | graphyx | Look levi's going aol user... |
| 15:48.44 | graphyx | !!!!111 |
| 15:48.46 | graphyx | j/k |
| 15:48.57 | hans | more likely he was walking by the and the picture-happy missionaries are like, hey! |
| 15:50.20 | levi | Um, yeah. The !!!!111 was to suggest I wasn't serious about it. |
| 15:50.40 | graphyx | I figured. |
| 15:50.47 | graphyx | Like I said, I was j/k. |
| 15:50.55 | hans | there was the wink too. |
| 15:51.03 | graphyx | yeah. |
| 15:52.04 | levi | Well, I was amused, at least. |
| 15:52.13 | graphyx | it was a cute picture. |
| 15:53.05 | hans | yeah, dl looks cooler in that picture than on his show |
| 15:53.57 | levi | hans: BTW, here is a demo video showing off DabbleDB, a cool app written in Smalltalk/Seaside: http://smallthought.com/clips/lispvan.mov |
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| 16:04.16 | maquis | Boeing has admitted that a laptop containing private info on 161,000 current and former employees was stolen recently. The data was basically all of the info necessary to do direct deposit of paychecks: names, birth dates, Social Security numbers and, yes, bank account info. |
| 16:04.26 | maquis | ^^ what in the world was that info doing on a laptop? |
| 16:04.37 | tensai | waiting to be stolen |
| 16:05.02 | maquis | The company also claims this isn't that worrisome because "the computer did not have sensitive company information stored on it." |
| 16:05.17 | tensai | it's all about externalities |
| 16:06.31 | maquis | even if they get fired, most of them would probably end up getting laid off in the next few months anyways.... |
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| 16:10.07 | maquis | http://techdirt.com/articles/20051121/0150227_F.shtml |
| 16:12.15 | maquis | hans: where's brac? |
| 16:12.41 | hans | hasn't been started since my udev adventure |
| 16:12.49 | hans | I haven't rebooted so much since running windows, I think |
| 16:13.19 | hagna | goozbach: are you familiar with apache? |
| 16:13.34 | hagna | like on the "how" level or a first name basis? |
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| 16:14.17 | brac | ~lart maquis |
| 16:14.27 | maquis | -lart ibot |
| 16:14.53 | maquis | hans: if you can get ahold of goozbach or any of the other gurus, they probably would be able to help you, i'm guessing |
| 16:14.58 | maquis | er |
| 16:15.01 | maquis | that was for hagna |
| 16:15.08 | maquis | hagna: what is the problem? |
| 16:15.55 | hagna | maquis: the perception that apache is better |
| 16:16.08 | maquis | hagna: better than what? |
| 16:16.14 | hans | ice cream, of course |
| 16:16.22 | hagna | snelgrove ice cream |
| 16:16.27 | maquis | mmm... ice cream! |
| 16:17.00 | hagna | maquis: have you tried their new awful flavors? |
| 16:17.08 | hagna | what was it some japanese thing |
| 16:17.11 | Newsome | apache is better for a web server than sendmail, but vim is better than either as an editor. |
| 16:17.39 | maquis | hagna: i haven't been able to go to coldstone in a long time |
| 16:18.12 | hagna | maquis: they have a new flavor |
| 16:19.03 | hagna | maquis: my wife wouldn't like it if I took you though |
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| 16:30.38 | maquis | hagna: i understand |
| 16:30.50 | hagna | maquis: carrot cake batter |
| 16:31.00 | hagna | and ... kimchi |
| 16:31.09 | maquis | hmmm |
| 16:31.23 | maquis | dependent upon how the carrot-cake batter is, that one could be good or bad |
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| 16:31.42 | maquis | kimchi..... ummm... kimchi is good, but i don't see it being good in ice cream |
| 16:32.10 | sjansen | ~greet TimRiker |
| 16:32.12 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on TimRiker |
| 16:32.14 | sjansen | ~lart maquis |
| 16:32.19 | Jayce^ | kimchi is a horrid abomination.. |
| 16:32.19 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 16:33.32 | graphyx | what is SA? |
| 16:33.33 | hagna | maquis: ok not kimchi but something else |
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| 16:49.55 | sjansen | ~putty emcnabb |
| 16:49.56 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats emcnabb with it |
| 17:00.47 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/funny/printer/ |
| 17:07.43 | maquis | emcnabb: this is great!!!! |
| 17:10.30 | emcnabb | it was very satisfying |
| 17:19.31 | sjansen | ~print emcnabb |
| 17:20.55 | mrpull- | emcnabb: i'm jealous. I want to take out some... errr... do some troubleshooting too. |
| 17:21.50 | maquis | http://faculty.cs.byu.edu/%7Eseamons/cs465/sidestep-security.jpg |
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| 17:23.22 | sjansen | maquis: any idea where that is? |
| 17:24.09 | maquis | sjansen: nope... dr seamons showed it to us in security class on friday |
| 17:25.17 | sjansen | o/~ Shout! Shout! I'm talking to you, come on. ~/o |
| 17:25.53 | jsmith | sjansen: Not that again... |
| 17:26.47 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here a movable type user? |
| 17:26.57 | levi | I used to be. |
| 17:27.43 | Uncle_Jesse | what would be the best way to externally authenticate with a system written in PHP? |
| 17:27.53 | Uncle_Jesse | authenticate authors, not comments |
| 17:28.00 | sjansen | jsmith: The 80's never really left us. |
| 17:28.17 | jsmith | sjansen: I know, but you don't have to sing the same song every time |
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| 17:29.35 | maquis | xpde is kind-of disturbing |
| 17:29.52 | levi | Anyone look at the DabbleDB demo? |
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| 17:34.10 | xbmodder-treo | hi |
| 17:34.44 | goozbach | hagna: I like to think apache is one of my strenghts |
| 17:34.52 | goozbach | what are you trying to do? |
| 17:34.55 | goozbach | keep in mind |
| 17:35.21 | goozbach | I'm on vacation, stealing a neighbors wireless connection, and on the point of leaving for a couple hours |
| 17:35.56 | hans | jsmith: it's better than him singing country all the time |
| 17:36.05 | xbmodder-treo | goozbach: can you save the treo650 gurulabs guide using the save feature in firefox tarball it (bzip2) and e-mail it to me |
| 17:36.26 | jsmith | hans: Agreed. |
| 17:36.35 | xbmodder-treo | or can anyone do that? |
| 17:36.56 | goozbach | xbmodder-treo: your web browser on the treo works pretty well |
| 17:37.09 | goozbach | or you could ssh into a machine, and run links |
| 17:37.34 | xbmodder-treo | does links have a save feature? |
| 17:37.35 | sjansen | jsmith: You're mistaken. In reverse order, here's the songs I've most recently sung on #utah: The Free Software Song (Richard Stallman), On The Good Ship Lollipo (Shirley Temple), Whistling In The Dark (They Might Be Giants), Carwash (can't remember), Under Pressure (Queen & David Bowie) |
| 17:38.00 | maquis | "only a cs major would ask what friends are" |
| 17:38.11 | maquis | ^^^ in reference to the friend keyword :) |
| 17:38.18 | goozbach | xbmodder-treo: man elinks |
| 17:38.38 | xbmodder-treo | cross your fingers |
| 17:38.45 | emcnabb | have you ever heard of wget? |
| 17:39.02 | xbmodder-treo | just in case: e-mail address is xbmodder@gmail.com |
| 17:39.03 | jsmith | maquis: That reminded me of my first C++ class all those years ago -- the professor made it a point to start talking about friends and "private parts" and who you'd let see your private parts -- it got really ugly. |
| 17:39.16 | emcnabb | xbmodder, it's not going to happen |
| 17:39.18 | Tene | xbm: you're perfectly capable of getting it for yourself. |
| 17:39.45 | maquis | jsmith: dr mercer accidentally mentioned that, and got our entire class laughing last year |
| 17:40.26 | jsmith | maquis: This professor went on and on about it for days, and really offended some people |
| 17:40.26 | xbmodder-treo | didn't mheath say I am not even capable of setting up SSH and someone agreed |
| 17:40.31 | xbmodder-treo | bye! |
| 17:40.52 | goozbach | oookay.... |
| 17:41.06 | goozbach | "screw you guys... I'm going home!" |
| 17:41.10 | sjansen | jsmith: In fact, looking at the logs, the only time I used that lyric from Shout, I was quoting it to ibot, not signing. |
| 17:41.27 | sjansen | jsmith: If you'd like to confirm my findings, I have a complete copy of the #utah logs I could send you. ;-) |
| 17:42.11 | jsmith | sjansen: No, I believe you -- I just swore you sang it a week or so ago... |
| 17:42.51 | hagna | goozbach: still there? |
| 17:43.03 | goozbach | yup |
| 17:43.09 | goozbach | 30 seconds... |
| 17:43.10 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:43.18 | sjansen | Two Weeks ago. 2005/11/07 "21:24.28 sjansen ibot: Shout! Shout! Let it all out!" :-P |
| 17:43.23 | hagna | goozbach: migrating adp from aolserver to apache |
| 17:43.27 | Jayce^ | sjanseno/~ Shout! Shout! I'm talking to you, come on. ~/o |
| 17:43.37 | hagna | goozbach: s/migrating/migrate |
| 17:43.49 | goozbach | ohh... I've never gone that route |
| 17:43.54 | hagna | :) |
| 17:44.05 | goozbach | I've always gone the other way |
| 17:44.15 | goozbach | pretty painless actually |
| 17:44.19 | sjansen | Jayce^: When's that? ibot must have been out of commission, cause zgrep sjansen * | grep -i shout doesn't show it. |
| 17:44.30 | goozbach | any reason in patular you don't want to use aolserver? |
| 17:44.40 | hagna | goozbach: I'm already using it |
| 17:44.47 | Jayce^ | that was just this morning |
| 17:45.10 | hagna | goozbach: but apache may be better and I want to see how the migration would work if you've had any experience that way |
| 17:45.12 | sjansen | ~putty Jayce^ |
| 17:45.13 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats Jayce^ with it |
| 17:46.03 | goozbach | adp is the TCL based dynamic content. this might be question for #openacs or #aolserver |
| 17:47.12 | goozbach | is there even a mod_TCL |
| 17:47.17 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:47.55 | goozbach | Well I'm off |
| 17:48.01 | goozbach | my battery is about dead |
| 17:48.24 | hagna | goozbach: ok bye |
| 17:48.24 | goozbach | and I have to move from the one spot in the house that can leach wireless from the neighbor to plug in my laptop. |
| 17:48.44 | goozbach | that and I want to go to Cedar |
| 17:49.00 | goozbach | hagna: I'll do some reasearch |
| 17:49.10 | goozbach | geez I can't speel today |
| 17:49.21 | goozbach | AAAGGGHHH |
| 17:49.26 | goozbach | that wasn't intentional |
| 17:49.45 | hagna | goozbach: it was freudrian slip |
| 17:50.38 | goozbach | who am I kidding? today? |
| 17:53.08 | goozbach | blue goose me amor! |
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| 18:06.59 | RyanE | goozbach: your amor goosed you blue? ouch! |
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| 18:16.03 | sjansen | o/~ la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, ~/o <-- Name that song. |
| 18:16.44 | Bradipo | English version of Lilli? |
| 18:18.25 | sjansen | Answer: Head Over Heels (Tears For Fears) |
| 18:20.25 | maquis | sjansen: cool : |
| 18:20.27 | maquis | er |
| 18:20.28 | maquis | :) |
| 18:37.04 | sjansen | o/~ Oh, yes, it's ladies night. |
| 18:37.04 | sjansen | Oh, what a night. |
| 18:37.04 | sjansen | Romantic Lady, single baby |
| 18:37.04 | sjansen | . Mmmmm sophisticated mama. ~/o |
| 18:38.18 | tensai | eek! "Suddenly the Dungeon collapses!! - You die..." |
| 18:39.06 | tensai | who can guess what program output that, and I'll tell you it's not nethack |
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| 18:43.22 | sjansen | Nethack3000 - UberGoldEdition |
| 18:45.16 | hans | zork |
| 18:45.29 | tensai | it's not a game at all |
| 18:45.32 | hans | adventure |
| 18:45.39 | hans | apache? |
| 18:46.09 | tensai | screen |
| 18:47.08 | tensai | I tried to reattach and that's what I got. not good. I had 20 terminals in there. |
| 18:47.17 | hans | yikes |
| 18:51.38 | sjansen | ~hug Unicode |
| 18:51.40 | ibot | ACTION hugs Unicode |
| 18:55.55 | sjansen | ☺☺☺ Unicode Rocks ☺☺☺ |
| 18:59.33 | hans | are those smileys? didn't they have a rock icon? |
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| 19:05.04 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
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| 19:10.14 | sjansen | ~unicode |
| 19:10.15 | ibot | it has been said that unicode is http://qpe.sourceforge.net/packages/ipaq/qpf-cyberbit-120-50-t10_2.3.0-3_arm.ipk or http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bedic/unifont_160_50_t10.qpf?download, or something ibot doesn't get |
| 19:10.37 | sjansen | ~utf8 |
| 19:10.39 | ibot | sjansen: Pergunte-me sobre UTF-8 |
| 19:10.45 | sjansen | ~utf-8 |
| 19:10.46 | ibot | i heard utf-8 is an ASCII compatible unicode enconding |
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| 19:11.04 | xbmodder-treo | no-go |
| 19:11.19 | xbmodder-treo | treo doesn't respond to pppd or wvdial |
| 19:13.25 | xbmodder-treo | anyone? |
| 19:14.15 | xbmodder-treo | the thing that pisses me off is it worked at homw |
| 19:20.01 | xbmodder-treo | sjansen |
| 19:20.03 | xbmodder-treo | gooz |
| 19:20.19 | xbmodder-treo | anybody |
| 19:21.29 | xbmodder-treo | damn |
| 19:22.47 | xbmodder-treo | hrm |
| 19:24.35 | xbmodder-treo | why is this me luck |
| 19:25.14 | xbmodder-treo | pong |
| 19:25.41 | xbmodder-treo | ~seen |
| 19:25.46 | xbmodder-treo | sjansen ! |
| 19:26.11 | xbmodder-treo | please!!! |
| 19:27.01 | xbmodder-treo | pound bang |
| 19:29.48 | xbmodder-treo | uHoh |
| 19:30.10 | xbmodder-treo | sloop kazoop |
| 19:30.25 | xbmodder-treo | mizoo |
| 19:30.32 | xbmodder-treo | jigoo |
| 19:30.45 | xbmodder-treo | oh bye... |
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| 19:31.54 | maquis | hmmm |
| 19:31.58 | maquis | too bad he left before i got here |
| 19:33.03 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 19:33.21 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 19:35.16 | hans | what was he doing anyway? |
| 19:38.57 | hans | so someone told me this digg website is supposedly giving /. a run for its money, but it looks even lamer than /. |
| 19:40.22 | sjansen | hans: But it uses tags! And AJAX! And it looks like something 37signals might have produced! Look at it, it screams Web 2.0!!!@@! |
| 19:40.47 | hans | heh. |
| 19:41.44 | tensai | db_recover: DB_ENV->open: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery |
| 19:42.00 | hans | it also has popup windows and even worse those slide-over ads |
| 19:42.09 | tensai | I think it's a bad sign when the databse recovery tool tells you to run a database recovery |
| 19:42.15 | hans | tensai: that's helpful :) |
| 19:42.59 | sjansen | Good thing I finished lunch 30 seconds ago. I doubt it woulda been fun getting spahgetti out of my keyboard. |
| 19:43.06 | tensai | openldap gets corrupted every time the power goes out. that just doesn't make sense to me. |
| 19:43.12 | maquis | sjansen: huh? |
| 19:43.21 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 19:44.48 | sjansen | http://www.nbc4.tv/irresistible/5356501/detail.html <-- I typed that in less 30 secons on my laptop. Looks like society has given up all pretence of technology making us more productive. |
| 19:44.49 | brac | [NBC 4 - Irresistible Headlines - Girl Wins $5,000 For Text-Messaging Speed] |
| 19:44.59 | amcnabb | tensai: openldap uses bdb, which is evil |
| 19:45.30 | tensai | amcnabb: but it comes with sprinkles |
| 19:45.55 | sjansen | tensai opendlap uses, bdb, which is evil |
| 19:46.38 | sjansen | Okay, a little awkward. But I think I've made my point: tensai is evil, my dear bdb. |
| 19:47.18 | tensai | sjansen: is that what you were going for? |
| 19:47.19 | hans | sjansen: the morse code guys repeatedly beat the text messagers |
| 20:09.24 | sjansen | ~haha hans, the silly Debian user |
| 20:09.25 | ibot | ACTION beats hans, the silly Debian user about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 20:10.12 | hans | ~cook sjansen the silly ___ user |
| 20:10.15 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen the silly ___ user in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen the silly ___ user on 350 for an hour |
| 20:11.35 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 20:11.51 | graphyx | ~lart lart system |
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| 20:12.14 | graphyx | -lart ~rlart |
| 20:12.19 | hans | ~burgle sjansen |
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| 20:13.21 | xbmodder-treo | hi |
| 20:13.47 | xbmodder-treo | anyone willin to help meh |
| 20:14.38 | sjansen | Looks like AT&T (nee' SBC) is retiring the death star logo. http://www.designobserver.com/archives/007392.html |
| 20:14.45 | brac | [Design Observer: writings about design & culture: The Final Days of AT&T] |
| 20:15.24 | sjansen | Personally, I think all phone companies should be required to have logos that are oblique references to evil movie forces. |
| 20:15.44 | xbmodder-treo | gr |
| 20:16.33 | xbmodder-treo | any ideas why my treo is not accepting serial data |
| 20:16.37 | xbmodder-treo | eed |
| 20:17.10 | xbmodder-treo | sjansen might know I thought because in his time serial ports were common |
| 20:20.36 | mrpull- | xbmodder-treo: "in his time"? |
| 20:21.11 | dataw0lf | are there any good stores in Salt Lake for paintball equipment? |
| 20:22.59 | hans | Jayce^s house |
| 20:24.55 | dataw0lf | right, thanks |
| 20:25.43 | dataw0lf | anyone with a useful answer? |
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| 20:26.39 | harleypig | anyone familiar with perl forking? |
| 20:26.49 | hans | I'm familiar with forking |
| 20:26.54 | harleypig | specifically, the why's and wherefores of waitpid |
| 20:27.15 | graphyx | harleypig: I just did some stuff with ForkControl. |
| 20:27.31 | graphyx | But I didn't get into the details of it. |
| 20:27.35 | graphyx | It just worked automagically. |
| 20:27.41 | harleypig | I'm looking at a script the forks (before doing a lot of it's setup and one-time calculations--but that's another issue) but it doesn't call wait or waitpid. |
| 20:27.45 | sjansen | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 20:27.46 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, sjansen? ibot? |
| 20:27.49 | harleypig | graphyx: :] |
| 20:28.02 | harleypig | he's standing at my cubie trying to distract me with talk of food. |
| 20:28.03 | harleypig | :] |
| 20:28.17 | graphyx | harleypig: Have you just looked at simple forkcontrol? |
| 20:28.26 | harleypig | If the script runs for less than 8 hours or so it's fine |
| 20:28.29 | graphyx | If you don't need a lot of tight controls on the forks that might be enough. |
| 20:28.29 | sjansen | harleypig: distract him with talk of paint ball |
| 20:28.34 | harleypig | graphyx: I didn't write it, I just have to fix it. |
| 20:28.38 | graphyx | ahh. |
| 20:28.45 | graphyx | Sorry,I'm not your man then. |
| 20:28.57 | harleypig | He wants to know how your forehead feels. |
| 20:29.29 | harleypig | But if the script runs for more than 10 hours (roughly) it's hogged the memory and processes and brought the server to its knees. |
| 20:29.41 | graphyx | ouch. |
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| 20:32.16 | xbmodder-treo | ok a new piece of information has been found |
| 20:32.30 | xbmodder-treo | lrp |
| 20:33.01 | emcnabb | xbmodder-treo, maybe you should go discuss you problem on #treo-ppp-dun-linux |
| 20:33.07 | xbmodder-treo | it gives a 'send failed: Connection reset by peer' error |
| 20:33.07 | emcnabb | you'll probably get more of a response there |
| 20:33.10 | hans | harleypig: so how does this relate to forking? |
| 20:33.28 | hans | or are you saying that it forks processes, doesn't clean them, and the zombies are taking up the resources? |
| 20:34.02 | xbmodder-treo | very funny |
| 20:34.08 | xbmodder-treo | but not |
| 20:34.11 | emcnabb | I'm not trying to be funny |
| 20:34.28 | xbmodder-treo | uh... |
| 20:34.57 | graphyx | Jayce^: You work with harleypig? |
| 20:35.01 | sjansen | ~zombie hans |
| 20:35.02 | ibot | ACTION summons an army of the undead to eat hans |
| 20:35.06 | xbmodder-treo | then do you know how to make this work. |
| 20:35.28 | emcnabb | I don't care about your problem; sorry |
| 20:35.33 | emcnabb | nor does anyone else here |
| 20:35.44 | Jayce^ | graphyx, yeah, he started here last week |
| 20:35.56 | hans | harleypig: in that case, you probably want to either wait on them, or if there's no good place to do that, deattach them. |
| 20:35.57 | levi | xbmodder-treo: I don't think anyone here cares, either. |
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| 20:36.04 | maquis | emcnabb: thanks for clarifying things a bit |
| 20:36.06 | graphyx | harleypig: The ebay thingy didn't work out? |
| 20:36.08 | maquis | ;:) |
| 20:36.08 | xbmodder-treo | lol |
| 20:36.20 | sjansen | Jayce^: dataw0lf had a paintball question and you were pointed at. |
| 20:36.33 | xbmodder-treo | ok. need to figure this out... |
| 20:36.42 | emcnabb | figure it out somewhere else |
| 20:36.45 | Le_AmBAr | some girl ? |
| 20:36.46 | levi | xbmodder-treo: When you see the topic change to something like 'xbmodder's personal support forum', then you can bring it up again. |
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| 20:36.56 | sjansen | maquis: So is that, like, you winking while wearing glasses? |
| 20:37.10 | maquis | sjansen: ummm... sure? |
| 20:37.11 | maquis | :) |
| 20:37.13 | xbmodder-treo | le: I gave up on that... |
| 20:37.49 | emcnabb | xbmodder-treo, do you know why sjansen didn't respond earlier? |
| 20:37.56 | emcnabb | he had you /ignore'd |
| 20:37.56 | levi | xbmodder-treo: Obviously. It's never going to happen. So, take your treo problems ELSEWHERE. |
| 20:38.01 | emcnabb | like many other people |
| 20:38.55 | emcnabb | spoiled |
| 20:38.56 | xbmodder-treo | sjansen: I helped set up my dad's company's servers |
| 20:39.02 | xbmodder-treo | and maintain them... |
| 20:39.26 | emcnabb | now that's a scary thought |
| 20:39.58 | xbmodder-treo | scary? |
| 20:40.38 | xbmodder-treo | 66.92.12.130 |
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| 20:41.44 | mrpull- | xbmodder-treo: how much bandwidth do you have for your servers? |
| 20:41.53 | harleypig | graphyx: the ebay thing is working out too slowly for my family to eat. :/ |
| 20:42.07 | emcnabb | xbmodder-treo, maybe you should start a #california |
| 20:42.10 | harleypig | hans: that's what I was thinking, but I wanted verification before I started down that path. |
| 20:42.19 | sjansen | o/~ I'm a model you know what I mean |
| 20:42.19 | sjansen | And I do my little turn on the catwalk |
| 20:42.19 | sjansen | Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah |
| 20:42.19 | sjansen | I do my little turn on the catwalk ~/o |
| 20:42.34 | xbmodder-treo | ok i'll shut up |
| 20:42.38 | hans | yeah, take a good look at deattaching. if you deattach them, then init should reap the zombies |
| 20:42.39 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 20:42.42 | sjansen | harleypig: eating is overrated |
| 20:42.44 | maquis | xbmodder-treo: thanks |
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| 20:44.54 | graphyx | harleypig: I can understand that one myself. |
| 20:44.57 | graphyx | Just had our 4th kid. |
| 20:45.34 | graphyx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrklaw/62654593/ |
| 20:46.09 | JoshH | 6 more to go. :P |
| 20:46.53 | jlp_work | congrats, graphyx. the fourth is easy. you already know the drill |
| 20:47.08 | graphyx | Yeah.. it is just the hospital bill that I am working on. |
| 20:47.36 | jlp_work | ow |
| 20:48.06 | jlp_work | sorry to hear that... I know how that is (didn't have insurance at all when we had our first, and ended up with a C-section) |
| 20:48.20 | jlp_work | didn't have a job, either (was a student) |
| 20:48.53 | sjansen | What do they do if you don't pay? Threaten to repossess? |
| 20:49.19 | hans | put it back! |
| 20:50.05 | jlp_work | they eventually sue you |
| 20:50.10 | jlp_work | (at least, if it's IHC) |
| 20:50.10 | levi | I imagine they turn you over to the vultures. |
| 20:50.20 | RyanE | kill your credit rating |
| 20:50.42 | jlp_work | then they get a judgement... eventually you'll want to buy something (house, car) and have to take care of it |
| 20:51.16 | levi | Or you'll want to sell something, and find a lien against it. |
| 20:51.24 | jlp_work | IHC sent us to collection one time for $18... didn't bother to tell us that we owed it, either |
| 20:51.40 | jlp_work | found out when we bought our house |
| 20:51.57 | levi | I had an emergency room bill from my mission sent to collection because I never got the bill. |
| 20:51.59 | graphyx | It's lots of fun. |
| 20:52.02 | jlp_work | eighteen bucks |
| 20:52.34 | levi | Mine was more than that, but not a whole lot. I couldn't get anyone to loan me any money. |
| 20:53.32 | RyanE | sjansen: thank you *very* much... now I have the 'catwalk song' in my head... :) |
| 20:53.58 | Jayce^ | RyanE, now just imagine him and harleypig dancing to it |
| 20:54.01 | levi | They have ways of making you suffer if you don't pay them. |
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| 21:03.29 | maquis | ~convert 6 inches to millimeters |
| 21:04.55 | graphyx | ~covert 4 pounds to dollars |
| 21:05.18 | graphyx | ~convert 4 pounds to dollars |
| 21:05.45 | graphyx | whats wrong ibot, don't like American money? |
| 21:08.59 | findlay | ~convert 4 GBP to USD |
| 21:13.45 | maquis | ~convert 1 inch to millimeters |
| 21:16.19 | sjansen | o/~ Oo, rock me Amadeus! Oo, rock me Amadeus! ~/o |
| 21:16.55 | sjansen | I've never heard this song before. I love it! |
| 21:17.37 | RyanE | sjansen: you have *got* to be kidding... |
| 21:17.55 | levi | sjansen: Dude. |
| 21:18.36 | sjansen | I'm sure I'd get sick of it if they played it on the radio regularily. But it's just so fun. |
| 21:19.16 | Jayce^ | you've never heard falco before???? |
| 21:19.31 | sjansen | How can you not love an 80- song that lists itself as an important event in the chronology of Mozart? |
| 21:20.38 | sjansen | Jayce^: Apparently not. I should be ashamed, shouldn't I? |
| 21:21.33 | levi | sjansen: You should either be ashamed or consider yourself lucky. |
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| 21:21.40 | emcnabb | sjansen keeps on playing it over and over! |
| 21:21.44 | emcnabb | nooo!! |
| 21:21.53 | levi | Heh. http://www.eggandmuffintoaster.com/ |
| 21:21.54 | brac | [flash_AS_detection] |
| 21:23.02 | hagna | ~convert baptists to mormons |
| 21:23.20 | maquis | ~convert 10 baptists to mormons |
| 21:23.33 | maquis | haha |
| 21:23.38 | maquis | ibot msg'd me |
| 21:23.45 | hagna | me too |
| 21:23.57 | sjansen | ~convert hagna to HowardStern |
| 21:25.01 | levi | ~convert sjansen to scientology |
| 21:25.17 | hagna | ~convert ibot to batman |
| 21:25.23 | graphyx | ~convert 10 USD to JPY |
| 21:25.36 | sjansen | ~convert levi to luddism |
| 21:27.20 | hagna | is there an rss feed for planetutah? |
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| 22:12.25 | sjansen | Texas is suing Sony for their DRM. :-) |
| 22:12.41 | hans | yeehaw |
| 22:16.40 | hagna | everything is bigger in texas |
| 22:16.54 | hagna | so ... |
| 22:24.52 | Uncle_Jesse | hey - don't mess w/ Texas |
| 22:25.17 | Uncle_Jesse | and yes, everything *is* bigger in Texas |
| 22:25.20 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 22:25.31 | Uncle_Jesse | even I was bigger in Texas |
| 22:26.30 | mrpull- | http://www.doxpara.com.nyud.net:8090/planetsony_usa.JPG |
| 22:26.36 | Uncle_Jesse | over there they called me Jesse "the body" |
| 22:27.12 | mrpull- | (map of the sony plague outbreak) |
| 22:27.16 | mrpull- | i like maps |
| 22:29.46 | Uncle_Jesse | my ego is much bigger now that I'm in Utah though |
| 22:32.52 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: I got bigger when I was in Texas last week |
| 22:33.15 | mrpull- | funny... my trip to texas was uneventful |
| 22:35.25 | hans | gah! aptitude is developing a very bad habit of ignoring me when I tell it to hold packages |
| 22:35.38 | jsmith | hans: That's nice :-) |
| 22:36.57 | sjansen | hans: emcnabb is being very nice and resisting the urge to say anything, I think he deserves a cookie |
| 22:37.58 | hans | ~cookie emcnabb |
| 22:40.17 | emcnabb | ? |
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| 22:40.53 | Uncle_Jesse | ~cookie sjansen |
| 22:41.17 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: I need to go back to Texas - I think I've shrunk since I was there last |
| 22:41.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm working with a guy who uses DreamWeaver to lock files on a server, download them, edit them, and then automatically re-upload them when he's done with them. Can I make vim do the same thing? |
| 22:41.54 | Lone_Wanderer | (oh, and unlock the file after it's re-uploaded) |
| 22:42.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Lone_Wanderer, kinda |
| 22:42.18 | hans | probably easiest to write a rapper script |
| 22:42.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Kinda is better than no! |
| 22:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | All that the DW lock is, is a special little file with a name that DW ignores |
| 22:42.36 | Lone_Wanderer | that's what I figured |
| 22:42.43 | Uncle_Jesse | kinda like the Sony DRM |
| 22:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:43.33 | Lone_Wanderer | how would I write such a (w)rapper script? |
| 22:43.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure |
| 22:43.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Have him lock a file, then examine the results |
| 22:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc it includes an e-mail addy, among other things in the file |
| 22:44.04 | hans | ssh foo touch /path/to/lockfile.sonydrm |
| 22:44.15 | hans | vim file |
| 22:44.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I only have ftp access though =( |
| 22:44.21 | hans | ssh foo rm /path/to/lockfile |
| 22:44.26 | hans | then ftp scripts |
| 22:51.20 | mrpull- | doesn't VIM have netrw-xfer or somesuch? |
| 22:51.30 | hans | yup, but he needs to do funky locking file stuff |
| 22:51.38 | hans | if he didn't have to, he could do |
| 22:51.57 | mrpull- | ok. cool. |
| 22:52.01 | hans | vim ftp://example.com/ |
| 22:52.09 | hans | well, he'd have to have a full path. |
| 22:52.42 | mrpull- | hans: gotcha. i didn't see anybody mention that part could be done. |
| 22:53.02 | hans | in fact, he could still do that in his script |
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| 23:16.46 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 23:16.47 | Uncle_Jesse | utah needs to allow '-' in it's license plates |
| 23:17.31 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: how come? SCO-- ? |
| 23:17.40 | maquis | -lart SpecialK |
| 23:18.01 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: then I could take perl -w |
| 23:18.03 | sjansen | mrpull-++ |
| 23:18.24 | Uncle_Jesse | too bad you can't order online like you can in VA |
| 23:19.58 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: you could use fuse to mount an ftpfs |
| 23:20.07 | Uncle_Jesse | VA lets you have - and I think one other non 0-9/a-z char |
| 23:20.33 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: #! would be fun... I suppose they don't offer #'s or !'s. |
| 23:20.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Tene: that sounds sexy, how do I do that? and will it work on a Windows box? |
| 23:20.53 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: I'm considering "shabang" instead |
| 23:21.15 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: that is dope |
| 23:21.23 | mrpull- | I'd go with shabang |
| 23:21.25 | Tene | Lone_Wanderer: in windows you can add an ftp server to your 'network places', I believe |
| 23:21.47 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, cool |
| 23:22.00 | Lone_Wanderer | and then just edit stuff there as if it were local? |
| 23:22.02 | mrpull- | Lone_Wanderer: or use webdav |
| 23:22.07 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: yeah, I think I might - been thinking about that one for awhile now |
| 23:22.23 | mrpull- | what if -w get deprecated? |
| 23:22.37 | Uncle_Jesse | It's cool for my license plate collection - I've already got "mod perl" from VA - it would be cool to add "shabang" to my office wall |
| 23:22.47 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: good point |
| 23:22.59 | Uncle_Jesse | doubt it will any time soon though |
| 23:23.13 | Uncle_Jesse | and besides, I can't do a "-" here |
| 23:23.24 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: Not like it does you much good, but theres an FTP filesystem translator for the hurd |
| 23:24.17 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: I've seen people add stickers after the fact for that sort of thing. |
| 23:24.25 | RyanE | with varying degrees of sucess. |
| 23:25.31 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: isn't that illegal? |
| 23:29.50 | sjansen | Only if you get caught. ;-) |
| 23:30.14 | sjansen | It wasn't me! It was the one armed man. With a sticker. |
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| 23:31.52 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: you can always claim that it came that way. |
| 23:32.34 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 23:36.21 | mheath | *sigh* I need a better job. |
| 23:37.07 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: what do you do? |
| 23:37.22 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: I make 6.50/hr at a restraunt |
| 23:37.54 | Tene | I love my job. |
| 23:37.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah, but what's your specialty? |
| 23:39.20 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: "Food expediator". I do quality control and final prep on all plates, organize it by table, get it ran to the tables, etc. |
| 23:40.25 | sjansen | mheath is high school student planning on entering the military, he is computer literate and familiar with *nix administration |
| 23:41.06 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: you need to market your *nix skills more :-) |
| 23:41.48 | Uncle_Jesse | unless you like the food industry |
| 23:43.21 | mheath | Meh. A year from now, I'll be either Boatswain's Mate 3rd Class Heath or Quartermaster 3rd Class Heath. I'm not too concerned about my present job; however, I dislike it, and wish I was making more money. |
| 23:43.44 | mheath | My position is the lowest paid in the restraunt. |
| 23:44.26 | sjansen | If you're not willing to do the work to find something better, you don't have the right to complain. |
| 23:44.57 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: I've tried multiple times to find employment related to my CS experience |
| 23:45.09 | emcnabb | http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/mandrake.jpg |
| 23:45.32 | mheath | I've actually had job offerings and people considering me for employment....up until the point where they realize I'm a 16 year old highschool student who hasn't gone to college. |
| 23:45.46 | Jayce^ | rofl |
| 23:46.17 | sjansen | emcnabb++ |
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| 23:46.58 | mheath | sjansen: I've done the work to find something better before. It's gotten me nowhere. |
| 23:49.29 | mheath | People want a college graduate for a computer position |
| 23:49.40 | mheath | The closest thing I have to that, though, is 8 credit hours in programming. |
| 23:50.34 | sjansen | Depends on what you mean by people. I know plenty of people w/o degrees that have found IT work. Just don't expect to be earning as much as a person with a degree. |
| 23:52.06 | Jayce^ | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27834 |
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