| 00:00.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Is it just me or is it impossible to find good _cheap_ sales people |
| 00:01.09 | goozbach | good and cheap are usually mutally exclusive |
| 00:01.17 | goozbach | esp when dealing with people |
| 00:02.06 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't like dealing with people |
| 00:02.26 | xbmodder_lappy | obviously an _intelligent_ "popular" teenage girl would work |
| 00:02.33 | xbmodder_lappy | but those two contradict |
| 00:02.38 | SpecialZ | why am I not surprised. |
| 00:03.38 | xbmodder_lappy | because most only become popular by using themselves and being cool. |
| 00:03.45 | xbmodder_lappy | "being cool" |
| 00:05.27 | levi | What, teenage and intelligent contradict? I am inclined to agree. ;) |
| 00:06.12 | SpecialZ | I thought it was intelligent cool and female which he said didn't go together |
| 00:06.29 | SpecialZ | oh, and popular |
| 00:06.41 | levi | SpecialZ: He said that two of those traits contradict. |
| 00:06.48 | SpecialZ | I haven't been able to recall a counter example. |
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| 00:07.30 | levi | I've known intelligent, cool, popular females. |
| 00:07.42 | goozbach | I dated one for a while |
| 00:07.44 | levi | I think some of them may have even been teenaged at the time. |
| 00:08.01 | goozbach | ohh she wasn't teenage |
| 00:08.07 | goozbach | so yeah |
| 00:08.33 | SpecialZ | There were a couple in my AP classes, but I'm not sure how "cool" and "popular" they were. |
| 00:08.50 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, not too many in HS |
| 00:09.06 | SpecialZ | especially not freshmen like xb. |
| 00:09.46 | levi | Well, I knew some in HS. |
| 00:09.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ~mute people.old |
| 00:10.36 | SpecialZ | I'm in college, it wasn't that long ago, and a I have the perspective of both worlds |
| 00:12.35 | SpecialZ | As for the freshman comment, I don't know what grade you are in, but the maturity level and related intelligence of my peers as freshmen was less than later years. |
| 00:15.30 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialZ, your right, good job |
| 00:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "cool" and "popular" are far overrated :P |
| 00:19.18 | levi | Popularity is, to some degree, a measure of social skill and charisma. To the extent that it is, it is not overrated at all. |
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| 00:19.50 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, you're the first person to actually give that a proper definition in a positive tone |
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| 00:20.43 | SpecialZ | It also is a measure of willingness to engage in a variety of activities which may or may not fall under the category of intelligent. |
| 00:21.42 | levi | I've never been blessed with a great deal of it, but I've thoroughly enjoyed the bits of it that I've had, and have received benefits from it beyond the effort I put in to obtain it, substantial as it was. |
| 00:22.48 | levi | Hmm, that was unclear. The antecedent of the final 'it' should be 'effort', not 'popularity'. |
| 00:23.01 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here going to sell their treo 650 or does anyone here know where to get a deal on a treo? |
| 00:23.27 | levi | Hmm, I might consider selling my treo 600. |
| 00:23.28 | SpecialZ | That seems right |
| 00:24.18 | SpecialZ | My major typed communication problems are disgraphia and run on sentences. |
| 00:26.33 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, http://search.ebay.com/treo-650_W0QQfromZR40 |
| 00:28.35 | levi | Hmm, treo 600 prices have plummeted; it's probably not worth selling mine. |
| 00:28.40 | xbmodder_lappy | how hard is it to upgrade a IBM T40 with bluetooth |
| 00:32.29 | xbmodder_lappy | weird ad: http://cgi.ebay.com/SPRINT-Treo-650-with-NEW-Service-great-DEAL_W0QQitemZ5828572836QQcategoryZ41355QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:33.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Are cisco cards pretty good with linx |
| 00:33.59 | xbmodder_lappy | Are cisco cards pretty good with linyx |
| 00:34.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Are cisco cards pretty good with linux |
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| 00:39.03 | hans | hmm. someone at vmware is asking me for referrals for their kernel design and development team. |
| 00:39.10 | hans | but I don't think I know anyone at vmware |
| 00:39.26 | hans | ah, maybe it's a result of my recent lkml post |
| 00:45.48 | mheath | Oh no. |
| 00:45.55 | mheath | xbmodder's found aalib. |
| 00:46.04 | mheath | And he has a monospace font... |
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| 00:46.56 | mheath | ~lart xbmodder for making mheath switch his IRC client's font to see what xbmodder's multiline spamming was |
| 00:48.51 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate mheath |
| 00:49.22 | mheath | xbmodder: THe multiline version was far more impressive. |
| 00:50.13 | mheath | Hmmm. I need to put a bit more work into shining my shoes for tomorrow... |
| 00:52.23 | mheath | I've been able to find information about authentication via Kerberos with Java, and on creating SSL client and server sockets. However, I'm interested in authenticating a user over an SSL connection using Kerberos (Or authenticating via Kerberos then switching over to SSL). Could anyone provide any insights on how I could do this? |
| 00:53.10 | mheath | Or even another encryption mechanism |
| 00:53.42 | Goshen | Well, the Mandriva install party is tomorrow afternoon |
| 00:53.54 | mheath | Goshen: Wish I could come. |
| 00:54.20 | Goshen | mheath: did you still have a box for my little sis? |
| 00:54.23 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone know of a good CDMA linux smartphone |
| 00:54.29 | Goshen | if not, no problem |
| 00:55.34 | mheath | Goshen: Nah, I don't. |
| 00:55.53 | Goshen | thats cool |
| 00:55.56 | Goshen | no worries |
| 00:56.08 | mheath | Goshen: Weber County School district is holding a surplus computer sale in early December, though, if you're still looking for one. |
| 00:56.44 | Goshen | interesting |
| 00:56.49 | mheath | The first time i went to their sale, they had everything ranging from old Apple's to Pentium-III era stuff, for $10/each ($10/monitor, $10/tower, etc) |
| 00:56.56 | mheath | The last time I went, though, they did it a little differently |
| 00:56.58 | Goshen | not bad |
| 00:57.26 | mheath | Nice Pentium-III era stuff for $50/each (with monitor, keyboard, mouse, cables) |
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| 01:10.44 | mheath | I wish I could figure out this authentication and encryption problem |
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| 01:42.41 | mheath | Heh, I don't suppose we have a dentist in here, do we? (We have a chiropractor...I figured it was worth a try :D )] |
| 01:45.04 | xbmodder | anyone have a linux compatible USB bluetooth adapter |
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| 01:46.18 | xbmodder | levi, |
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| 01:49.26 | mheath | Cool! I just figured out how to do this.... |
| 01:49.29 | mheath | JAAS on the server |
| 01:49.47 | mheath | with JAAS callback stuff setup so it reads the information from an SSL socket |
| 01:51.07 | levi | Well, there you go. |
| 01:52.23 | mheath | Well, erm...nevermind..... |
| 01:52.25 | mheath | If I did that |
| 01:52.57 | mheath | Hold on |
| 01:54.08 | mheath | JAAS isn't quite as useful as I thought.... |
| 01:54.22 | mheath | Apparently its designed primarily for applets and local programs that need authentication, that sort of thing |
| 01:54.59 | mheath | IE, you give JAAS your username and password, and it alters your privileges based on authentication with some server |
| 01:55.28 | mheath | The whole point of kerberos, though, as I understand is to *not* have to give each service your username and password; you just give them a ticket |
| 01:55.40 | levi | Yes. |
| 01:56.06 | mheath | With JAAS, at least as I'm understanding it, the server would have to have your username and password |
| 01:56.57 | mheath | But I'm confused. JAAS supports kerberos, but I don't really understand how it could do so. |
| 01:57.05 | levi | JAAS seems to be like PAM, in that you can use whatever means you want to actually do the authentication. |
| 01:57.13 | levi | And, apparently, they have Kerberos support. |
| 01:58.05 | mheath | levi: yeah. So it can use kerberos, but its not really designed to be used in places where kerberos authentication is as useful as its meant to be when used correctly? |
| 01:58.31 | levi | I'm not sure, I haven't looked at it in detail. |
| 01:58.42 | mheath | In that, rather than you sending JAAS a ticket, you give it your actual username and password, and JAAS just checks it using Kerberos |
| 02:00.30 | emcnabb | xbmodder, I have USB bluetooth adapter that works great in Linux |
| 02:00.48 | levi | It looks like LoginModules can be implemented to do any kind of authentication you want. |
| 02:00.51 | emcnabb | D-Link DBT-120 |
| 02:01.12 | emcnabb | now I just use the builtin bluetooth on my laptop |
| 02:01.15 | levi | "Typical LoginModules may prompt for and verify a username and password. Others may read and verify a voice or fingerprint sample." |
| 02:01.55 | levi | But I suppose it doesn't buy you much if you have to implement that yourself. |
| 02:02.16 | mheath | Exactly |
| 02:02.37 | mheath | Because the current JAAS Kerberos LoginModule wants a username and password |
| 02:02.41 | mheath | Not a ticket |
| 02:04.59 | levi | Have you written up your design for this anywhere yet? |
| 02:06.24 | mheath | Not yet. |
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| 02:07.17 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 02:08.01 | mheath | More specifically, it seems the Krb5LoginModule wants a username and password, and leaves you with a TGT |
| 02:08.25 | levi | mheath: In order to use Kerberos, you have to give a username and password at some point. |
| 02:08.58 | mheath | I know |
| 02:09.57 | mheath | The pretense of JAAS seems: |
| 02:10.45 | mheath | 1) Prompt the user for needed information, 2) Check that information using the defined LoginModule, which will populate the users private and public credentials, and 3) execute someMethod() with those credentials |
| 02:12.48 | levi | Have you looked at erights.org yet? There's a lot of good information there about security, and it's aimed at distributed systems. |
| 02:13.50 | mheath | Ooh! |
| 02:14.04 | mheath | org.ietf.jgss |
| 02:14.13 | mheath | Thats for the client side of the login |
| 02:14.13 | levi | Hmm? |
| 02:14.25 | mheath | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/org/ietf/jgss/package-summary.html |
| 02:20.25 | mheath | Reading for another day, I'm afraid |
| 02:20.36 | mheath | For now it is time for shoeshining and ironing |
| 02:27.21 | mheath | http://www.nsgreatlakes.navy.mil/nrac/posters/images/maledressblues.gif |
| 02:27.50 | mheath | Some genius managed to take centuries of techniques of making clothes as uncomfortable as possible, and stuff them into one uniform. |
| 02:28.38 | mheath | Theres motivation for promotion right there. |
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| 03:17.13 | maquis | mheath: you're not wearing heels or panty-hose... |
| 03:47.26 | mheath | It shouldn't be that bad this drill, actually |
| 03:47.40 | mheath | We switched to blues in October |
| 03:47.53 | mheath | and it was still warm enough then that Blues (made of wool) were really hot. |
| 03:49.54 | mheath | maquis: Point taken. But they are extremely itchy, very hot, and the crotch has more buttons than you could possibly imagine (which is a major inconvenience for a guy who's used to a zipper....) |
| 03:55.38 | maquis | :) |
| 04:03.29 | maquis | why won't this thing work????? |
| 04:04.50 | mheath | what is "this thing"? |
| 04:04.54 | mheath | and what is "work"? |
| 04:05.19 | maquis | "this thing" is an ancient belkin router, and "work" is forward the ports that i tell it to... |
| 04:06.58 | mheath | My mouth tastes gross....and I can |
| 04:07.02 | mheath | and I can't do anything about it. |
| 04:07.08 | maquis | mheath: why? |
| 04:07.36 | mheath | maquis: wisdom teeth removal.... |
| 04:07.45 | maquis | mheath: why does it taste gross? |
| 04:07.56 | maquis | and are you still having issues from the teeth? |
| 04:08.15 | mheath | I dunno. Its one of the side effects of wisdom teeth removal, or at least of dry socket (which I apparently have a minor case of) |
| 04:08.28 | maquis | hmmm... interesting |
| 04:08.38 | mheath | This nasty gross taste. Brushing my teeth / mouth wash doesn't do much good... |
| 04:08.51 | mheath | Yeah, still having some issues |
| 04:10.42 | mheath | Bah, I have to get up at 5 AM tomorrow. Not looking forward to that. Oh well. |
| 04:14.19 | mheath | Drills seem like such a waste of time, though. |
| 04:14.32 | mheath | My two week ATs are so much more beneficial and productive. |
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| 04:38.08 | xbmodder_lappy | gurulabs: I love you guys |
| 04:44.37 | maquis | sdffsdfsf |
| 04:51.44 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 04:52.11 | mheath | Is there any way to get Google Maps/Local to link to a particular view, rather than the results of my last search? |
| 04:52.30 | mheath | I mean, if you do a search, then pan, and click the Link to this page button, it automatically goes back to where it was... |
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| 05:14.06 | maquis | YIPES! |
| 05:15.29 | maquis | ok.... so, i can get anywhere so long as i have the ip address of where i want to go |
| 05:15.58 | maquis | but, if i try to use the domain-name, i just go to a comcast page |
| 05:16.45 | maquis | i tried giving my router the IP addresses for various DNS servers, and told it not to use the ISP nameserver, but it's still doing this |
| 05:16.51 | maquis | does anybody know of a good way to resolve this? |
| 05:17.54 | colera | bah school is crazy man |
| 05:20.13 | colera | maquis: are you sure your resolv.conf is gettin renewed with the changes that you make to the router? |
| 05:20.56 | mheath | maquis: I'd guess that your client's resolv.conf looks something like: |
| 05:21.07 | mheath | nameserver <bad nameserver> #or this line might not even be there at all |
| 05:21.10 | mheath | search comcast.net |
| 05:21.29 | mheath | I'm guessing its time to chuck that old router |
| 05:21.39 | mheath | Doesn't sound like it's DNS services are working. |
| 05:21.53 | mheath | Try setting a nameserver other than the router on the client machine |
| 05:23.12 | colera | wow soo poetic : ) |
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| 05:37.22 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis\ |
| 06:01.11 | amcnabb | myth2ipod is a great script--now all I need is an ipod |
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| 06:12.04 | xbmodder | amcnabb, lol, g'job |
| 06:15.55 | xbmodder | I like this guru: |
| 06:15.55 | xbmodder | Using Linux and Bluetooth DUN on the Treo 650 |
| 06:18.09 | Supaplex | fun |
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| 07:07.42 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 07:12.50 | Supaplex | you |
| 07:18.38 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
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| 07:32.08 | xbmodder_lappy | not another Special person |
| 07:37.20 | Special1 | Am I still logged on? |
| 07:37.23 | Special1 | that's a problem |
| 07:38.08 | Special1 | Now my cs account will get locked |
| 07:38.11 | Special1 | grr. . . |
| 07:38.43 | xbmodder_lappy | lol, what did you do? |
| 07:42.16 | Special1 | failed to log out completely, apparently |
| 07:57.47 | xbmodder_lappy | hey sup all |
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| 09:08.10 | findlay | ~bzfrag SpecialK |
| 09:08.11 | ibot | ACTION kills SpecialK with a shot from his BZTank |
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| 14:17.46 | graphyx | ~morning |
| 14:17.47 | ibot | Good morning! |
| 15:49.25 | maquis | mornin graphyx and ibot |
| 16:00.37 | graphyx | You get your job at amazon? |
| 16:01.28 | maquis | graphyx: i've had it for a couple months --- although i'm not going to be on the security team, since the lead for that team would have to approve it, and he's on leave for 3 months |
| 16:02.29 | graphyx | maquis: Oh. how much do you work? I thought you were only at school. |
| 16:02.50 | maquis | graphyx: i have the job... i haven't started yet |
| 16:02.56 | graphyx | ah. |
| 16:03.25 | graphyx | great. |
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| 16:45.26 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 16:45.43 | xbmodder-treo | I love my treo 650 |
| 16:45.49 | xbmodder-treo | I luv it. |
| 16:46.23 | xbmodder-treo | maquis: did'ja get a treo |
| 16:47.38 | graphyx | ummm... how many xbmodder's does that make now? |
| 16:47.40 | graphyx | like 17? |
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| 16:49.21 | xbmodder-treo | *clicked the phone button* (damed sister) |
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| 16:51.48 | xbmodder-treo | yo hans |
| 16:51.59 | hans | that's me |
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| 17:38.30 | goozbach | yo yo |
| 17:38.36 | stuporglue | I'm trying to boot an old Mac, and am getting the error "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". Any ideas what I should be looking at to fix it? |
| 17:39.11 | graphyx | a reinstallation? |
| 17:39.51 | stuporglue | Tried that. |
| 17:39.53 | graphyx | stuporglue: That looks like either a partition error, a configuration error or a kernel doesn't have the right drivers to access said medium. |
| 17:40.07 | graphyx | got any live cds that can boot it up? |
| 17:40.19 | stuporglue | the default kernel/initrd doesn't have scsi drivers. |
| 17:40.38 | stuporglue | I tried building a new initrd that would modprobe the drivers, and that's what's not working now. |
| 17:41.44 | stuporglue | The original initrd would drop me into a busybox commandline, where I could manually modprobe "mesh" and "sd_mod" and then mount the fs. I rebuilt the initrd to modprobe those two moduels before trying to mount the fs, but I'm not sure what to do now |
| 17:43.16 | graphyx | stuporglue: I haven't been able to build a working initrd so you got me there. |
| 17:45.09 | stuporglue | Finding info on building an initrd has been a bit of a hassle. Seems that new kernels (including this one) have switched to a cpio format instead of compressed filesystem format, and there's not much documentation on it (that I could find) |
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| 21:49.45 | maquis | gr |
| 21:49.49 | maquis | missed stuporglue |
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| 22:58.01 | maquis | http://hack.fi/~muzzy/sony-drm/ |
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| 23:15.12 | hans | so just got back from potter |
| 23:15.30 | maquis | hans: i got back a little while ago |
| 23:15.32 | maquis | how'd you like it? |
| 23:15.41 | hans | good, but too short |
| 23:15.58 | hans | incidentally, john williams didn't do the music |
| 23:16.02 | maquis | hans: yeah... they did cut out an awful lot |
| 23:16.25 | hans | but of course they had to. This was the first much bigger book iirc |
| 23:16.46 | maquis | yes |
| 23:17.00 | maquis | 5 and 6 are going to have a lot cut out too |
| 23:17.21 | maquis | man |
| 23:17.48 | maquis | this one was sad |
| 23:17.58 | maquis | 5 and 6 are going to be more sad |
| 23:24.53 | hans | so my usb stuff is semibroken again. do you think udev will be the last word, or is the rug going to be take out from under us yet again? |
| 23:27.26 | maquis | hans: is your usb stuff broken because of udev? |
| 23:27.54 | hans | i think it's because udev (on debian anyway) decided to replace hotplug (this latest version conflicts with hotplug) |
| 23:28.41 | hans | and my mouse/keyboard work fine, but my midi keyboard isn't seen by alsa. I don't see the firmware loading in dmesg, so it's probably that - a configuration difference or something |
| 23:28.47 | maquis | hans: sorry.. i don't know enough about this to fully understand everything :) so, i can't answer your question |
| 23:28.51 | maquis | ooh... midi keyboard? |
| 23:29.48 | hans | yup |
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| 23:44.10 | hans | anyone seen the samsung yp-mt6x? |
| 23:45.07 | hans | in particular how it compares to the iriver ifp795 |
| 23:45.12 | hans | yp is samsung, btw |
| 23:46.27 | hans | which one? |
| 23:46.27 | maquis | hans: which connection? |
| 23:46.27 | hans | yea |
| 23:46.31 | maquis | hans: i'll message, in case anyone doesn't know the ending |
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