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| 01:05.46 | goozbach | bah |
| 01:07.04 | maquis | goozbach: sup? |
| 01:08.21 | goozbach | gargle splat |
| 01:10.17 | maquis | kerplompf |
| 01:10.32 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
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| 01:20.00 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 01:20.02 | xbmodder_lappy | sup |
| 01:29.17 | tensai | hans: sorry to break the news, but marco is right. dpkg --purge hotplug. |
| 01:29.36 | tensai | hans: would have been a lot easier if he would have come right out and said it |
| 01:32.22 | maquis | what's the command to get the version of a kernel module? |
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| 01:35.54 | emm | so xbmodder, why do i want to go here? |
| 01:35.59 | hans | yes, no doubt |
| 01:36.07 | hans | actually I found that out early on |
| 01:36.13 | hans | but I kept arguing the point out of principle |
| 01:36.25 | hans | in fact I led him on in several ways to come out and say dpkg --purge hotplug |
| 01:36.55 | hans | but he didn't even take the time to do that. "learn to use dpkg" implies that he knew that without looking at the manpage (and therefore so should everyone else) |
| 01:37.16 | hans | my point is I didn't know about that before, and I know quite a lot of people who use debian who don't even know dpkg exists |
| 01:37.17 | goozbach | modinfo |
| 01:37.46 | maquis | goozbach: thanks |
| 01:37.48 | maquis | grr |
| 01:40.53 | hans | Ha! "worst-dressed" thing on slashdot |
| 01:40.54 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.11 | hans | excuse me? who had to catch up? |
| 01:41.19 | JoshH | hans: what did you not know about? |
| 01:41.34 | hans | dpkg --purge hotplug works even though hotplug is uninstalled |
| 01:41.35 | JoshH | about dpkg |
| 01:41.44 | JoshH | ah |
| 01:41.47 | hans | apt-get remove --purge hotplug does not, so I assumed the same would be true for dpkg |
| 01:42.18 | JoshH | why would someone want to uninstall hotplug anyway? i love it. :) |
| 01:42.30 | hans | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339626 |
| 01:42.43 | hans | the latest udev package replaces it |
| 01:42.50 | hans | includes the functionality |
| 01:43.04 | JoshH | ah, i see |
| 01:43.08 | hans | and while you're installing it, it says to purge hotplug. but in order to install it you had to remove hotplug already because it conflicts. |
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| 01:53.49 | JoshH | whats a good computer store in the logan area? |
| 02:04.41 | tensai | hans: so just complaining for complaining's sake then? |
| 02:05.19 | hans | was I complaining? |
| 02:05.49 | tensai | aren't bug reports complaints by definition? |
| 02:05.51 | hans | funny, I thought I was trying fruitlessly to get the maintainer to add a one-line description of how to purge hotplug for the sake of thousands of debian users who will eventually upgrade hotplug |
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| 02:06.50 | hans | the funny thing is, whenever I email marco privately he never replies. I think the guy has a serious problem with thinking bugs reflect badly on him |
| 02:06.59 | RyanE | hans: maybe tensai means you're complaining *to us*... :) |
| 02:07.07 | hans | oh, well I do that all the time. :) |
| 02:07.11 | RyanE | hehe |
| 02:07.13 | hans | that's what irc is for. :) |
| 02:07.21 | RyanE | very theraputic. |
| 02:07.34 | hans | venting and getting quick answers. oh and being the listener and answerer too |
| 02:07.39 | hans | that and cool links |
| 02:07.43 | tensai | well, that too but I did mean in the bug. fwiw, I agree the guy should have just said it. |
| 02:07.45 | hans | and sjansen's singing |
| 02:08.45 | hans | tensai: yeah, I came out a winner here. I learned about dpkg --purge (I've wanted to do that many times and had to just install/purge), and udev still works, which is better than other udev problems |
| 02:08.50 | hans | that I've had |
| 02:09.59 | tensai | why isn't xchat making noises? |
| 02:11.27 | tensai | hmm. volume got turned down. that's odd. it's such a hard thing to do. |
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| 02:33.59 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.48 | Supaplex | no, never, no one, not possible, no! |
| 02:48.53 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 03:14.23 | scott | acAls |
| 03:14.39 | scott | ACLS |
| 03:16.34 | Hhhhh | what is ACLS? |
| 03:17.22 | goozbach | quick everyone what's your favorite animal? |
| 03:18.07 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach |
| 03:18.22 | maquis | jaguar |
| 03:18.54 | xbmodder_lappy | bird |
| 03:19.06 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2268 |
| 03:39.43 | Hhhhh | anybody here likes linear algebra? |
| 03:39.55 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 03:40.12 | Tene | Hhhhh: a little, but I haven't used it in a decent while |
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| 03:57.52 | Hhhhh | Tene, here is a GNU FDL-licensed book in linear algebra, it's quite good actually |
| 03:57.58 | Hhhhh | http://linear.ups.edu/index.html |
| 03:58.28 | Tene | Thanks. |
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| 04:08.01 | graphyx_home | ok I finally learned the for i in `` command style for shell scripting. |
| 04:08.05 | graphyx_home | IS that limited to bash? |
| 04:08.28 | Tene | nope |
| 04:08.34 | graphyx_home | I have a debian box I am working on and it doesn't appear to be doing the the command. |
| 04:08.41 | graphyx_home | I get to the done part and it just goes to the next line. |
| 04:08.45 | graphyx_home | any ideas what is going on? |
| 04:08.55 | Tene | show the exact command? |
| 04:09.24 | graphyx_home | I put in for i in `ls | grep "www"; do ; cp $i/cgi-bin/app.ini $i/htdocs/admin/; done; |
| 04:09.31 | graphyx_home | except the ; are actually carriage returns. |
| 04:09.56 | Tene | you didn't terminate the `` |
| 04:11.06 | graphyx_home | Tene: I did on the command line. |
| 04:11.11 | graphyx_home | Just missed it when typing. |
| 04:11.28 | Tene | oh |
| 04:12.20 | hans | try no ; after do |
| 04:12.29 | hans | that shouldn't matter though |
| 04:12.33 | hans | any spaces in filenames? |
| 04:17.10 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, what does echo `ls |grep www` do? |
| 04:19.39 | graphyx_home | hans nope. |
| 04:19.52 | graphyx_home | xbmodder_lappy: limits the files that are processed. |
| 04:23.29 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, i am saying does that work |
| 04:23.40 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, google "how to crack the vigenere cipher" |
| 04:23.53 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: that would take all the fun out of it |
| 04:24.38 | xbmodder_lappy | true! |
| 04:24.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ~google cracking the vigenere cipher |
| 04:25.15 | xbmodder_lappy | ~or not |
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| 04:31.05 | maquis | anyone here who can help me with a C question? i'm trying to understand the mmap manpage |
| 04:31.41 | maquis | i'm not really sure if that's even the command i want to use, though |
| 04:41.17 | jlp_work | what are you trying to do, maquis? |
| 04:41.38 | maquis | jlp_work: we're writing a vigenere cracker |
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| 04:42.01 | maquis | i've got a large file, and i'm going to need to go through the file multiple times |
| 04:42.07 | maquis | but i don't want ot read in from the file each time |
| 04:42.46 | jlp_work | why not? |
| 04:42.48 | Hhhhh | copy it onto memory? |
| 04:42.58 | maquis | Hhhhh: that's what i was thinking, but i'm not sure how |
| 04:43.12 | maquis | jlp_work: it just seems inefficient... but i could be wrong... |
| 04:43.21 | Hhhhh | just make a char* array in memory and copy it over |
| 04:43.39 | Hhhhh | hmm |
| 04:44.04 | maquis | Hhhhh: malloc an array of 358,000 characters? |
| 04:44.04 | Hhhhh | I can't think of the name of a function that can copy a file onto an array |
| 04:44.11 | jlp_work | well, if you're read(2)ing into a malloc'd memory buffer, it's not too bad... you do have an additional copy, I suppose (from buffer space to your proc space) |
| 04:44.12 | Hhhhh | yea, something like that |
| 04:44.23 | maquis | Hhhhh: i was looking at the manpage for mmap, but i don't understand the manpage |
| 04:44.39 | Hhhhh | i haven't seen it, i'm not in linux atm |
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| 04:45.00 | jlp_work | basically, mmap(2) lets you access the file's data directly in buffer space, you save the copy to your local process space |
| 04:45.25 | maquis | hmm |
| 04:45.27 | jlp_work | can you work on the file a page at a time (for some reasonable value of page size, say 4k or 8k)? |
| 04:45.53 | maquis | thanks for the help! |
| 04:46.11 | jlp_work | I can help you understand how to use mmap if you really want to use it, but it's less portable and makes your code harder to understand |
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| 04:46.27 | jlp_work | and unless you're doing a TON of I/O, it's not worth the effort to get it right |
| 04:46.38 | jlp_work | I'd just use read, myself |
| 04:47.09 | jlp_work | I've only used mmap in things like usenet news servers |
| 04:47.25 | maquis | jlp_work: ah... |
| 04:47.25 | xbmodder_lappy | hans, sup |
| 04:47.26 | maquis | mmk |
| 04:47.31 | Hhhhh | yea, read |
| 04:47.35 | Hhhhh | fread |
| 04:47.41 | maquis | thanks |
| 04:47.49 | jlp_work | read is good, stay away from fread if you're chunking through blocks of binary data |
| 04:48.02 | jlp_work | you don't need stdio getting in your face, trying to help :-) |
| 04:48.31 | maquis | mmk |
| 04:49.01 | graphyx_home | does read have a size definition? |
| 04:49.06 | jlp_work | yep |
| 04:49.10 | graphyx_home | ok good. |
| 04:49.31 | graphyx_home | Just want to make sure people get into practice of not using bad functions that lend themselves to giving out buffer overflows. |
| 04:49.32 | jlp_work | int read(int fd, void *buf, size_t count) |
| 04:49.43 | graphyx_home | jlp_work: c your best language? |
| 04:49.47 | jlp_work | not any more |
| 04:49.56 | graphyx_home | What is it now? |
| 04:50.03 | jlp_work | I mainly work in perl these days, but back in the late '80s I did a lot of C programming |
| 04:50.19 | graphyx_home | Perl is one of the areas that I am improving in right now. |
| 04:52.38 | jlp_work | perl is great... really lets you be sloppy and still get stuff done :-) |
| 04:56.37 | xbmodder | only problem with perl is its slow |
| 04:57.03 | jlp_work | true, true... but fast to develop in |
| 04:57.09 | xbmodder | same with python |
| 04:57.18 | jlp_work | and if you're humping lots of strings around, perl is great |
| 04:57.19 | xbmodder | mheath < java man (I no like java) |
| 04:57.57 | jlp_work | interestingly enough, almost all of google's admin scripts are written in python (> 85%)... I really need to spend some time with that language |
| 04:58.49 | xbmodder | i love python |
| 04:59.02 | xbmodder | I need to learn PERL because its used alot in CGI and stuff |
| 04:59.14 | xbmodder | how come C/C++ CGI is rarely seen |
| 04:59.24 | xbmodder | thank god java is never seen - that'd be suicide |
| 04:59.28 | hans | because string processing in those languages is LAME |
| 04:59.36 | hans | java is more than C/C++ |
| 04:59.42 | hans | ever heard of J2EE? |
| 04:59.43 | jlp_work | C is hard to develop in |
| 04:59.52 | xbmodder | true - but FAST |
| 05:00.09 | jlp_work | hard to make your stuff portable, hard to understand. in most cases, with CGI, you have a human on the other end and speed isn't that big of a factor |
| 05:00.25 | jlp_work | and C++ is just plain ugly :-) |
| 05:01.14 | xbmodder | it looks like a windows configuration menu |
| 05:01.24 | xbmodder | with all the >> << =??> |
| 05:02.03 | jlp_work | look at some complicated object oriented perl some time :-) |
| 05:02.52 | xbmodder | Google stock tops $400, worth $117 billion |
| 05:02.58 | xbmodder | -Wow |
| 05:12.03 | emcnabb | xbmodder, sell sell sell! |
| 05:14.11 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:14.16 | maquis | amazon stock went up... |
| 05:18.37 | xbmodder_lappy | ~amazon |
| 05:18.39 | ibot | it has been said that amazon is evil..... support independant bookstores...... http://www.powells.com, or see powells, or for info on the Amazon Boycott, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazon.html |
| 05:18.43 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:19.34 | maquis | according to that page, the bocott has been over for > 3 years |
| 05:19.48 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:20.07 | xbmodder_lappy | but -- boycotting amazon (mechinical turk) = bad idea |
| 05:20.31 | maquis | huh? |
| 05:21.05 | xbmodder_lappy | hm should I upgrade my 3.0 mb line to 6.0 mb |
| 05:28.31 | mheath | xbmodder: Why would you need that much bandwidth for a home line? |
| 05:28.52 | mheath | And keep in mind thats only upload speed |
| 05:29.03 | mheath | er |
| 05:29.04 | mheath | Download |
| 05:29.19 | mheath | Most ISPs have the upload speeds of their residential packages capped at fractions of that. |
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| 05:34.04 | tensai | mheath: I wouldn't say most. it's pretty common for cable, that's true. I heard that it's a problem with DOCSIS. |
| 05:34.24 | tensai | decent ISPs (*cough*my company*cough*) don't have such silly rules. |
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| 05:35.28 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 05:35.43 | SpecialK | ~rlart |
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| 05:44.16 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, up is 768 |
| 05:44.36 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, who's your ISP |
| 05:45.01 | Supaplex | your mom |
| 05:48.41 | xbmodder | Supaplex, ... |
| 05:49.00 | xbmodder | #utah-old-farts 1 #utah 0 |
| 05:49.30 | Supaplex | is that so |
| 05:49.32 | xbmodder | Actually my mom would be a pretty slow ISP |
| 05:49.56 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: onewest.net |
| 05:50.31 | xbmodder | Actually my mom would be a pretty slow ISP |
| 05:51.43 | xbmodder | ack stupid fingers |
| 05:53.00 | hans | -spell heterogeneity |
| 05:53.23 | hans | ~spell heterogeneity |
| 05:54.04 | tensai | ~spell hansogeneity |
| 05:55.33 | xbmodder | tensai, whats your effective up?\ |
| 05:55.42 | tensai | ? |
| 05:56.12 | xbmodder | upload on your line is how much |
| 05:56.46 | tensai | ah. 1mbit up |
| 05:57.04 | tensai | 1.5 down |
| 05:57.09 | xbmodder | didn't it say 896k |
| 05:58.12 | xbmodder | Where would be a good place to sell a 1800 number conferencing service? |
| 05:58.30 | maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 05:58.40 | xbmodder | Or a good place to sell a "callback" caller |
| 05:59.10 | xbmodder | basically you call an 800 number, it calls you back, you type in the number you wanna call and your good to go |
| 05:59.40 | tensai | why would it call you back? |
| 06:00.02 | xbmodder | it works because incoming minutes are cheaper on most providers |
| 06:00.24 | xbmodder | and: we can have the caller-back line be on a cell line so Cell2Cell is free |
| 06:00.39 | Hhhhh | holy crap |
| 06:00.49 | hans | where? |
| 06:01.01 | tensai | jerusalem |
| 06:01.03 | Hhhhh | CompUSA: 200GB HDD $30!!!!! |
| 06:01.09 | Hhhhh | on black friday |
| 06:01.12 | Hhhhh | omg |
| 06:01.20 | hans | zowie |
| 06:01.27 | hans | when is that? |
| 06:01.35 | Hhhhh | friday after thxgiving |
| 06:01.40 | hans | is that post rebate gauntlet? |
| 06:01.45 | Hhhhh | yes |
| 06:01.51 | xbmodder | lol |
| 06:01.53 | Hhhhh | still :O |
| 06:02.00 | hans | i don't think I've ever gotten a rebate actually |
| 06:02.03 | tensai | hans: I can see you've never worked retail |
| 06:02.12 | hans | :) |
| 06:02.16 | hans | and happy about it |
| 06:02.24 | Hhhhh | well, rebates work as long as you're constant and you send them in time |
| 06:02.34 | hans | I've sent them in |
| 06:02.38 | tensai | I worked one. horrible. |
| 06:02.39 | hans | they just haven't come |
| 06:02.59 | hans | they weren't big, so I didn't chase them down. couple dollars here and there sort of thing |
| 06:03.11 | hans | but I did them on time and followed all the instructions. |
| 06:03.24 | tensai | rebates are a scam. they only benefit the seller. |
| 06:04.38 | Hhhhh | every time I've done a rebate in time, I've gotten it |
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| 07:16.45 | findlay | why must oo be bloatware? |
| 07:16.53 | maquis | openoffice? |
| 07:16.56 | findlay | ~lart oo's bloatness |
| 07:17.03 | maquis | use latex... or abiword... |
| 07:17.29 | xbmodder_lappy | hey who has a nice voice in here? |
| 07:17.51 | xbmodder_lappy | which would be willing to get recorded for a 20 minutes |
| 07:17.56 | findlay | irssi tells me my voice is "normal" |
| 07:18.20 | levi | G'night. |
| 07:18.30 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, not you |
| 07:18.46 | maquis | levi: gnight |
| 07:18.48 | maquis | sleep tight |
| 07:18.56 | findlay | maquis: I never seriously use OO except for the occasional simple spreadsheet. If you can compile OO, you can compile anything |
| 07:19.07 | maquis | gnumeric? |
| 07:19.18 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: why not me? |
| 07:20.29 | findlay | don't worry maquis I am actually quite enamored of TeX and vim |
| 07:20.37 | maquis | cool |
| 07:20.52 | findlay | OO is for the unwashed masses |
| 07:20.54 | maquis | abiword/gnumeric is an ok replacement for when you have to deal with things... |
| 07:21.07 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, ? |
| 07:22.23 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: instead of ooffice |
| 07:23.54 | findlay | maquis: you spelled office wrong |
| 07:24.00 | findlay | ooffiiccee |
| 07:24.10 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 07:24.23 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 07:24.29 | maquis | where's brac? |
| 07:24.36 | findlay | OO.o-FF.f-II.i-CC.c-EE.e |
| 07:24.54 | findlay | office |
| 07:33.50 | tensai | ~lart dhcpv6-linux documentation |
| 07:35.04 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 07:35.15 | Supaplex | ~lart sleep requirements |
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| 08:03.42 | maquis | http://webdev-bkst.byu.edu:8080/swoopBoot/bootSwoop.html |
| 08:09.30 | Newsome | cool |
| 08:10.02 | Newsome | kinda fun, actually |
| 08:10.31 | maquis | i've gotten to 16 |
| 08:10.42 | maquis | honestly, the best part is the squaking |
| 08:10.51 | maquis | i have horrid aim, though |
| 08:14.28 | maquis | Newsome: well.. tomorrow, you'll have to turn on the volume |
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| 15:57.10 | harleypig | http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=1972 |
| 15:57.23 | harleypig | Very cool little laptop. |
| 15:58.52 | maquis | harleypig: yeah... that is pretty cool... |
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| 16:00.25 | hans | neato. good to see it moving forward |
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| 16:03.35 | graphyx | That is a cool little laptop. |
| 16:03.48 | emcnabb | it seems like you'd have to crank it a lot to keep it going |
| 16:04.44 | graphyx | That is to keep the kids from getting fat on fast food while they just sit there in front of their laptops. |
| 16:04.56 | graphyx | But that is one cool concept. |
| 16:04.59 | emcnabb | I don't think Nigeria has too much fast food :-) |
| 16:05.18 | graphyx | You would be surprised how much they try to get in there. |
| 16:05.35 | graphyx | But chances are that they aren't as saturated as we are. |
| 16:05.55 | graphyx | with fast food joints. |
| 16:05.57 | emcnabb | yeah, but they usually place the restaurants in the nicer parts of larger cities |
| 16:06.09 | graphyx | keeps the vandalism down. |
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| 16:25.19 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:25.24 | jsmith | Morning levi |
| 16:25.32 | levi | How's it going? |
| 16:25.44 | jsmith | Busy busy busy... |
| 16:25.47 | jsmith | How 'bout you? |
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| 16:26.29 | jsmith | Morning Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:26.30 | levi | Not too bad. Just enjoying my Friday morning donuts and Mountain Dew. |
| 16:26.41 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: morning |
| 16:26.47 | jsmith | levi: I had cheesecake and Gatorade... |
| 16:27.04 | mrpull | nice. pancakes and milk doesn't sound like much of an indulgence now :) |
| 16:27.08 | levi | jsmith: Sounds yummy, but there's no caffeine in Gatorade. ;) |
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| 16:27.36 | graphyx | jsmith: You back in town? |
| 16:27.36 | levi | I would prefer pancakes and milk, but donuts and Mountain Dew is what's available at work. |
| 16:29.18 | jsmith | graphyx: Nope -- flying back this afternoon |
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| 16:30.48 | maquis | jsmith: you get cheesecake and gatorade for breakfast? |
| 16:33.12 | jsmith | maquis: Well, I picked up a slice of cheescake at the Cheescake Factory last night... and had a jug of Gatorade in the fridge |
| 16:33.31 | maquis | jsmith: ah... cheesecake factory.... mmm |
| 16:33.38 | jsmith | maquis: (I washed the cheesecake down with milk, and then guzzled the gatorade) |
| 16:33.39 | maquis | how does cheesecake do with gatorade? |
| 16:33.52 | jsmith | I think I just answered that question :-) |
| 16:34.35 | maquis | ah... |
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| 16:56.00 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 17:44.40 | Bradipo | ``Would You Use Ad-Supported Windows?'' |
| 17:44.45 | Bradipo | Would you have a choice? |
| 17:45.10 | Jayce^ | isn't it already? |
| 17:45.24 | Bradipo | Jayce^: If you mean spyware, yes. :-) |
| 17:46.28 | sjansen | Bradipo: So you don't count IE defaulting to MSN and ad? Or MSN messenger an ad? |
| 17:46.55 | Bradipo | sjansen: Ahh, I don't use Windows often enough to know about those ``features'' |
| 17:47.01 | Bradipo | So yes, I guess that would be an ad. |
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| 17:48.27 | sjansen | ~attack hans |
| 17:48.28 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing hans |
| 17:49.13 | hans | ~parry sjansen |
| 17:51.21 | Newsome | it may be G-rated, but I don't think it'll catch on very well |
| 17:52.55 | hans | :) |
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| 17:53.14 | hans | it would take some serious star trek image enhancement |
| 17:54.31 | Newsome | I'm sure the boys on CSI* could "enhance" it to 10x or so! |
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| 18:22.54 | goozbach | anyterm++ |
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| 18:48.10 | mrpull | anybody want to buy my extra byu/utah tix? |
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| 18:56.07 | hans | findlay does |
| 19:05.30 | findlay | what doth I? |
| 19:06.45 | sjansen | lead the music while angels dance on pin heads |
| 19:08.25 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 19:09.39 | findlay | ANArKE |
| 19:12.39 | hans | you want to make mrpull rich |
| 19:13.33 | mrpull | heh... i'm only looking for face value |
| 19:13.50 | mrpull | i got some closer seats so I don't need the original tix |
| 19:14.00 | hans | whatever, scalper |
| 19:14.06 | mrpull | heheh |
| 19:14.33 | mrpull | does comcast support cablecard yet? |
| 19:14.52 | hans | a cablecard named desire? |
| 19:15.03 | mrpull | something like that. or not. |
| 19:18.08 | findlay | facevalue? is that like lvalue? |
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| 19:53.05 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 19:53.15 | maquis | brac: lart SpecialZ |
| 19:53.23 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 19:53.30 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 19:53.57 | maquis | SpecialZ: i passed off vigenere :) |
| 19:54.21 | findlay | ~lart maquis |
| 19:54.36 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 19:55.12 | SpecialZ | I started it |
| 19:55.32 | findlay | maquis: you broke ibot |
| 19:55.44 | findlay | ibot: you're broken |
| 19:55.45 | ibot | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 19:55.56 | findlay | ibot: whatever that means |
| 19:56.17 | findlay | ~unbreak |
| 19:56.25 | findlay | ~fix |
| 19:56.28 | ibot | methinks fix is n.,v. What one does when a problem has been reported too many times to be ignored. |
| 20:00.23 | findlay | do dvd drives use diode lasers? |
| 20:01.58 | findlay | I wonder if it's possible to have an x-ray range diode laser |
| 20:04.04 | maquis | findlay: dunno |
| 20:04.08 | maquis | that'd be cool, though |
| 20:04.14 | findlay | ~laser maquis |
| 20:04.30 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 20:04.37 | maquis | brac: lart findlay |
| 20:05.04 | findlay | imagine the storage capacity of x-ray discs |
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| 20:05.32 | findlay | with UV lasers you get just under the terabyte range |
| 20:06.06 | findlay | brac: lart maquis right back |
| 20:06.36 | findlay | that is for the same size of storage cartridge |
| 20:06.53 | findlay | the CD/DVD disc thingy |
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| 20:31.43 | xbmodder_lappy | hey who has a nice voice in here? |
| 20:31.46 | xbmodder_lappy | which would be willing to get recorded for a 20 minutes |
| 20:32.07 | albino | xbmodder_lappy: for how much money? |
| 20:32.11 | findlay | pick me, pick me!!@! |
| 20:32.34 | xbmodder_lappy | albino, free... or if your really good and will use you later 5 bucks |
| 20:33.24 | albino | I cost $6, better go for the cheap ones, try findlay he seems like he would fit the bill |
| 20:37.45 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: what in the world do you need 20 minutes of recorded voice? |
| 20:39.09 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, send a recording in of "I am findlay. The quick brown fox jumped over the fence. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-oh! Please press one to end this recording. one!" |
| 20:39.42 | mrpull | xbmodder: i bet the lazy dog feels bad you left him out |
| 20:40.31 | findlay | default asterisk voice recordings not good enough? |
| 20:40.44 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, nope |
| 20:41.06 | findlay | so you want me to answer your personal phone system |
| 20:41.13 | xbmodder_lappy | eh, the slow brown fox? |
| 20:41.18 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, hooah |
| 20:42.41 | findlay | I guess I asked a question with an implied double negative, interesting only for the quantum double state until it collapses |
| 20:44.33 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, we want an easy to navigate system - not something that makes you need a quantum physics book to understand |
| 20:45.20 | findlay | quantum field theory isn't *that* hard |
| 20:45.46 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 20:45.47 | Jayce^ | http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ |
| 20:45.52 | Jayce^ | very nifty |
| 20:47.00 | findlay | "At the tone please press '1' or '2'. Note that until you press either '1' or '2', you are in the state of pressing both '1' and '2'." |
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| 20:48.50 | xbmodder_lappy | but you aren't phones don't work like that unless you specify it in your DIAL PAN |
| 20:49.03 | xbmodder_lappy | which would make NO sense |
| 20:49.12 | findlay | "Depending on how the quantum field collapses, you may get to the person you are callling, have your long distance bill quadrupled, or have your `fortune` read." |
| 20:49.51 | RyanE | should be something more user friendly, like "if you fail to press '1' or '2', one of them will be chosen at random, based on quantum uncertainty. |
| 20:50.05 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, i like RyanE's idea better |
| 20:50.33 | RyanE | and we would be remiss in not pointing out the infantesimally (sp?) small possibility that the universe will collapse before you choose either. |
| 20:51.21 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 20:51.42 | findlay | "The probability of that happening coincidentally is equal pi out of the number you called" |
| 20:52.19 | findlay | "including country and area codes, naturally" |
| 20:54.39 | sjansen | Vi in Javascript!!!! |
| 20:56.29 | Jayce^ | amazing |
| 20:56.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ACK must kill VI* |
| 20:57.08 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: are you sure that SYN can't do it? |
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| 20:57.24 | maquis | ~lart Newsome |
| 20:57.43 | Newsome | ~lart maquis |
| 20:57.44 | harleypig | sjansen: run invaders |
| 20:57.53 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.07 | harleypig | xbmodder_lappy: what? you want javascript emacxs? |
| 20:58.08 | Newsome | bash: /usr/bin/invaders: No such file or directory |
| 20:58.20 | xbmodder_lappy | harleypig, jaavascript nano |
| 20:58.22 | harleypig | it's in the path, just type invaders |
| 20:58.23 | Jayce^ | Newsome, you're not on the system :) |
| 20:58.38 | Newsome | doh :( |
| 20:58.42 | Jayce^ | for Newsome http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/ |
| 20:58.45 | Jayce^ | on htere |
| 21:03.04 | Newsome | hmm, no compiler :( |
| 21:03.15 | sjansen | Newsome: /sbin/js |
| 21:05.03 | xbmodder_lappy | --bad idea |
| 21:05.23 | Newsome | yeah, probably |
| 21:06.28 | findlay | you guys are just drunk on all of this AJAX buzzwordness |
| 21:08.04 | goozbach | but then there's anyterm |
| 21:08.13 | goozbach | and I ran emacs just fine on that |
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| 21:10.40 | harleypig | lcc? |
| 21:11.04 | Newsome | http://www.cs.princeton.edu/software/lcc/ |
| 21:11.21 | Newsome | retargetable compiler++ |
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| 21:12.32 | harleypig | new concept to me ... what does retargetable mean? |
| 21:13.19 | Newsome | so, the idea is that instead of the compiler generating code for the normal architectures, it'll generate whatever code you tell it to generate. |
| 21:13.53 | Newsome | so, for example, if I really wanted, I could make a compiler that turned the input into bash commands |
| 21:14.00 | levi | Hmm, js/uix. Is there some way in which this was not a massive waste of time? |
| 21:14.10 | Newsome | or, for an architecture that I just created |
| 21:14.46 | harleypig | Newsome: so, you could write a program in c and lcc could turn it into bash (or perl ... or php ... or )? |
| 21:15.02 | harleypig | Or perl into python |
| 21:15.02 | Newsome | yes, that's the idea |
| 21:15.11 | harleypig | Cool. |
| 21:15.24 | harleypig | i suppose someone would have to write the backend support. |
| 21:15.32 | harleypig | for say, c -> perl |
| 21:15.42 | harleypig | Isn't that kind of what Parrot is doing? |
| 21:15.49 | Newsome | well, lcc operates with C code, but with fairly simple rules, you specify what to do when X happens |
| 21:16.22 | harleypig | Oh ... so it's more of specialized macro processor (I know, that's simplistic) |
| 21:16.27 | harleypig | ? |
| 21:16.31 | Newsome | so, for example, when lcc detects it needs a "add to variable" construct, you specify it in whatever language (binary or text) it needs |
| 21:17.08 | Newsome | not optomized like gcc or a regular compiler, but once you provide the building blocks, it can generate it |
| 21:17.14 | levi | LCC is simply a compiler with an intermediate language and modular code-generation system, right? |
| 21:17.25 | Newsome | levi: right |
| 21:17.53 | Newsome | I've used it to generate binary code for a made-up architecture, then used a virtual machine to run that code |
| 21:18.22 | harleypig | interesting ... |
| 21:18.42 | Newsome | lcc can do the job of the C parser |
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| 21:19.36 | levi | gcc has a somewhat similar architecture, though it's probably a lot harder to work with. |
| 21:21.41 | levi | lcc sounds like it was written for pedagogical rather than practical purposes, but that makes it all the more cool for someone who wants to experiment with that sort of thing. |
| 21:25.07 | levi | So ASDL is the intermediate representation that lcc uses? |
| 21:26.18 | goozbach | speaking of javascript http://www.fckeditor.net/default.html |
| 21:27.06 | levi | I believe gcc uses something called RTL, register transfer language. |
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| 21:33.51 | ECS | Anybody have any favorite RSS readers for mac? |
| 21:33.59 | sjansen | bloglines |
| 21:35.57 | mrpull | i second bloglines |
| 21:36.09 | mrpull | ECS: safari doesn't float your boat? |
| 21:37.44 | mrpull | whoa. Cisco is buying Scientific Atlanta? |
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| 21:38.37 | ECS | I haven't really messed with it, I was just curious if someone had a favorite |
| 21:38.45 | vontrapp | -lart hans |
| 21:39.03 | hans | |lart vontrapp |
| 21:39.08 | vontrapp | ~fight hans |
| 21:39.10 | ibot | ACTION laughs as hans reboots 208.187.181.98 sending vontrapp into the aether |
| 21:39.16 | hans | brac, lart vontrapp |
| 21:39.33 | vontrapp | brac addresser? |
| 21:39.33 | brac | I can't do that Dave. |
| 21:39.59 | hans | i need to fix that. his config got wiped in my recent slew of reboots |
| 21:40.04 | hans | not his memory, just his config |
| 21:40.27 | vontrapp | isn't that a little backwards of what one might expect? |
| 21:42.41 | ECS | ~lart brac |
| 21:46.49 | harleypig | wow |
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| 21:46.53 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:47.56 | sjansen | o/~ Join us now and share the software, you'll be freeeee hackers, you'll be free-eee-ee ~/o |
| 21:48.01 | hans | ~amaze harleypig |
| 21:48.26 | xbmodder_lappy | is SLC _cool_ |
| 21:48.46 | sjansen | Uber-cool with a triple umlaut!!! |
| 21:49.03 | hans | ZFS has uberblocks. |
| 21:49.25 | sjansen | Brazil has hypermarkets. |
| 21:49.55 | Jayce^ | had hyperinflation too |
| 21:50.24 | emcnabb | Turkey has major hyperinflation |
| 21:50.43 | emcnabb | it's fun to take a taxi and pay $2,000,000 lira |
| 21:50.46 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, has GURUlabs ever looked at phone tutoring? |
| 21:50.48 | mrpull | sjansen: that is seriously the worst piece of music I've ever witnessed |
| 21:50.53 | emcnabb | phone? no |
| 21:51.01 | emcnabb | online / remote yes |
| 21:51.04 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, just until Thursday, then everybody is sick of it |
| 21:51.27 | hans | Jayce^: the inflation doesn't wear off that quickly, alas |
| 21:51.46 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, :) |
| 21:51.50 | Jayce^ | hans, depends on your metabolism |
| 21:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | OSX 10.4 arrived today |
| 21:51.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, hey |
| 21:51.58 | xbmodder_lappy | Great! |
| 21:52.01 | emcnabb | I was pulled over in Serbia and the cop obviously wanted money |
| 21:52.03 | hans | :) |
| 21:52.08 | emcnabb | he wouldn't even take our Turkish lira :-) |
| 21:52.09 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, lol |
| 21:56.04 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, you gotta job? |
| 21:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, why? |
| 21:56.23 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, Are you looking for one? |
| 21:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I sure am |
| 21:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, not too hard |
| 21:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Not many jobs that a 17 year old can take here that's not fast food :P |
| 21:59.41 | levi | Yay for 10.4 :) |
| 21:59.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's so very true |
| 21:59.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It went from 10.2 to 10.4 |
| 22:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | From using near 0 hardware accel on the GUI to nearly full hardware accel |
| 22:00.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Made that 500MHz proc fly like a 2GHz P4 |
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| 22:16.38 | levi | Oooh, Apple has finally released a Java 1.5 package |
| 22:16.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed they have |
| 22:17.16 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried to download it at school for 10.4, but apparently the computer tech students were in class |
| 22:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay for 4kB/sec downloads |
| 22:18.37 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: You need to upgrade to a nice TCP/IP/ULF wireless connection ;-D |
| 22:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | We have a ton of bandwidth |
| 22:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Just split over 600 students... |
| 22:19.18 | hans | levi: yeah, unfortunately it doesn't replace 1.4 |
| 22:20.44 | levi | hans: How does one go about accessing the 1.5 java? |
| 22:21.32 | hans | there's a config panel or something where you can set it as default, and it's used when it's needed |
| 22:21.34 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 22:21.48 | hans | but I don't WANT 1.4 still there. I don't need that disk space |
| 22:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | 10.4 |
| 22:22.22 | mheath | xbmodder: Yes....as in the version coming after 10.3..... |
| 22:22.44 | sjansen | but not the version that came before 10.6 |
| 22:22.45 | levi | hans: Where would the config panel be? |
| 22:23.45 | hans | mmmm, I really don't remember. |
| 22:23.52 | hans | probably found it with quicksilver |
| 22:24.09 | ScytheBlade1 | quicksilver! That what I was missing |
| 22:24.22 | levi | Quicksilver is wonderful. :) |
| 22:24.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed it is :) |
| 22:25.11 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:25.42 | mheath | I was thinking about scripting my IRC client to only show joins/parts when the person has been chatting recently, or if I've been adressing them |
| 22:26.08 | mheath | Its annoying when I wake up and theres dozens (or hundreds even) of such messages in the buffer for a channel thats slow at nigh |
| 22:29.26 | mheath | Emulated system |
| 22:29.42 | xbmodder_lappy | whats the new harry potter about |
| 22:29.53 | RyanE | about 2.5 hours long. :) |
| 22:29.59 | mheath | xbmodder: Harry Potter. |
| 22:30.23 | mheath | xbmodder: Well. Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire. |
| 22:30.31 | hans | so the theater here did a midnight showing and just after the intermission the film caught fire |
| 22:30.44 | hans | I wasn't there, but that's what I hear. |
| 22:30.46 | sjansen | Harry Potter fights evil, gets lucky again, faces disappointment, but ultimately wins making his enemies look foolish in the process. |
| 22:30.48 | levi | Crappy. |
| 22:31.17 | mheath | I imagine that wouldn't be much of a problem, though..... |
| 22:31.29 | mrpull | intermission? |
| 22:31.30 | mheath | Most movie theaters would be gearing up to show the movie on multiple screens |
| 22:31.35 | hans | levi: actually, now that I think of it I don't know if I got the java from apple or sun |
| 22:31.38 | mheath | they'd have a couple copies, unless its a small theatre.. |
| 22:31.48 | hans | it wasn't the one that just appeared in the system update thingy |
| 22:32.10 | tensai | mheath: well, it would if they had 3 copies for 3 scheduled showings and one of them melted |
| 22:32.15 | hans | well they'd be able to show it on one less screen than before |
| 22:33.11 | mrpull | i didn't realize that theaters spooled on copy of a movie thru multiple projectors until recently |
| 22:33.17 | mrpull | s/on/one |
| 22:33.47 | levi | hans: Apparently the default version of Java is controlled by symlinks inside /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework |
| 22:33.55 | mheath | Movie projects are still relatively archaic, from what I've seen |
| 22:34.07 | mheath | I mean, they're not perfected, modern, digital things. |
| 22:34.37 | mheath | I bet you'll start seeing high quality digital projectors being used |
| 22:34.54 | mheath | And movie companies will start to distribute copies on a high definition dvd format instead of film.... |
| 22:35.08 | RyanE | was that not a requirement for certain theaters to show one of the recent star wars movies? |
| 22:35.14 | levi | This is an easy prediction to make, since it is already happening. |
| 22:35.28 | levi | There are no digital projectors in Utah, though, AFAIK. |
| 22:35.56 | mrpull | levi: i believe jordan commons debuted theirs with Chicken Little a few weeks back |
| 22:36.15 | tensai | RyanE: that's what lucas wanted, but it hasn't happened yet. apparently his jedi powers aren't as strong as he thinks. |
| 22:36.30 | levi | mrpull: Ahh, cool. :) |
| 22:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's right, they did |
| 22:36.57 | tensai | upgrading to digital is very expensive and not a lot of theaters are taking the plunge |
| 22:37.00 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc it was almost 2 months back though, not sure |
| 22:37.17 | levi | And that's the only theater in Utah with that sort of projector, apparently. |
| 22:37.42 | RyanE | ironically, it's a Chicken (Little) and the egg problem. If movies aren't distributed in digital, there's not as much incentive. |
| 22:37.58 | mheath | I've decided that film disappoints me.... |
| 22:38.13 | RyanE | *that* film, or that *film* disappoints you? |
| 22:38.22 | mheath | *that* |
| 22:38.24 | hans | especially film that catches on fire |
| 22:38.34 | mheath | Lord of the Rings: the Return of the King |
| 22:38.42 | tensai | studios want to send movies out digitally. it's vastly cheaper for them. |
| 22:39.02 | mrpull | tensai: but they are afraid it makes it easier to pirate them |
| 22:39.09 | mrpull | wussies |
| 22:39.15 | RyanE | mrpull: that's why they're introducing watermarking |
| 22:39.21 | tensai | mrpull: they're afraid of their own shadows |
| 22:39.26 | mrpull | :) |
| 22:39.52 | RyanE | I just have an image in my mind of a local theater upgrading to digital, then downloading the films over a dial-up connection. :) |
| 22:40.02 | tensai | there's already rampant piracy from theaters. most internet movie releases are telesync, which means a theater employee took part. |
| 22:40.05 | mrpull | when did miller buy the theaters at thanksgiving point? |
| 22:40.28 | *** join/#utah nobell (n=jdegraff@70.103.228.158) |
| 22:40.47 | Jayce^ | mrpull, he made them.. |
| 22:40.58 | *** join/#utah phinux (n=phinux@strychnine.cs.byu.edu) |
| 22:41.02 | mrpull | ahh. i thought it was the same guys who did the watergardens in PG |
| 22:41.21 | *** part/#utah nobell (n=jdegraff@70.103.228.158) |
| 22:42.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, your hard to get rid of |
| 22:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 22:42.57 | mheath | xbmodder: So are you. And you don't even have a reason to be in here. |
| 22:43.15 | mrpull | pot, kettle. kettle, pot.... |
| 22:43.18 | ScytheBlade1 | He's referring to another channel |
| 22:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have auto rejoin on kick enabled, it took him a moment to realize this |
| 22:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently I wasn't fast enough with the /part :P |
| 22:44.09 | Jayce^ | hey goozbach you around? |
| 22:47.23 | scott | my darn gmail addy got picked up by some spammer and 10 spams have gotten through today whereas before I'd got months without spam getting through |
| 22:49.22 | goozbach | yup |
| 22:58.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, in other news do you know anyone who would need hiring that would accept that job? |
| 23:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | |_ _| | | | | __ _| |_ ___ _ __ ___ | |__ ___ __ _| |_| |__ |
| 23:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.16 | xbmodder_lappy | |___| |_| |_|\__,_|\__\___| |_| |_| |_|_| |_|\___|\__,_|\__|_| |_| |
| 23:06.00 | sjansen | xbmodder: I don't care. |
| 23:07.05 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, cool. |
| 23:09.09 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: serious, knock that off |
| 23:09.45 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, sure. |
| 23:10.00 | goozbach | you don't see us figleting our emotions to the channel... |
| 23:10.30 | xbmodder_lappy | how about "I think mheath should burn" |
| 23:11.29 | tensai | voicing your opinion is one thing. flooding the channel with ascii art is another. |
| 23:11.42 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, sure |
| 23:11.44 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.44 | goozbach | |_ _| | | / _ \ \ / / ____| / \ | \ | \ \ / /_ _| ____| _ \| \/ | |
| 23:11.44 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.45 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.45 | goozbach | |___| |_____\___/ \_/ |_____| /_/ \_\_| \_| |_| |_| |_____|_| \_\_| |_| |
| 23:11.47 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.51 | xbmodder_lappy | oh shiz |
| 23:12.02 | sjansen | I think goozbach should burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:12.06 | xbmodder_lappy | whats anyterm |
| 23:12.08 | sjansen | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:12.09 | sjansen | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:12.10 | sjansen | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:12.18 | xbmodder_lappy | ok I get it, heh |
| 23:12.22 | xbmodder_lappy | whats anyterm |
| 23:12.29 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, not really |
| 23:12.29 | goozbach | ~google anyterm |
| 23:12.42 | goozbach | http://www.anyterm.org |
| 23:12.43 | hans | ~win sjansen |
| 23:12.44 | ibot | Congratulations, sjansen! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 23:13.44 | xbmodder_lappy | ~win mheath |
| 23:13.45 | ibot | Congratulations, mheath! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 23:13.52 | hans | we should run anyterm on the plug server |
| 23:14.29 | hans | that way we can be sure nobody's sniffing our sessions. nobody we can't track down and beat anyway |
| 23:15.05 | goozbach | irssi works pretty well through anyterm |
| 23:15.11 | goozbach | screen almost so |
| 23:15.18 | goozbach | (rendering issues) |
| 23:16.13 | hans | bastet doesn't seem to work in safari very well |
| 23:21.46 | xbmodder_lappy | whats a TINY good C++ IDE |
| 23:23.04 | levi | How big is 'TINY'? |
| 23:24.23 | goozbach | vi |
| 23:24.36 | tensai | vi + gdb is about as small as they get |
| 23:24.48 | tensai | and you could do a lot worse |
| 23:25.04 | hans | edlin, for example |
| 23:25.16 | xbmodder_lappy | nano + gdb + gcc |
| 23:25.29 | tensai | hans: or manipulating inodes with a magnet |
| 23:25.52 | hans | :) |
| 23:25.54 | tensai | or emacs |
| 23:27.11 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, that'd take a long time |
| 23:27.38 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: yeah, no kidding. and a lot of patience and practice. |
| 23:32.46 | xbmodder_lappy | unless... |
| 23:33.52 | *** join/#utah SpecialZ (n=chatzill@128.187.241.249) |
| 23:37.33 | sjansen | http://ptlo.blogspot.com/2005/11/missing-piece.html |
| 23:38.00 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 23:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | that one is rather good |
| 23:38.31 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 23:42.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Screw this |
| 23:42.14 | xbmodder_lappy | I am switching to mythTV |
| 23:42.29 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here used myth? |
| 23:42.47 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: switching from? |
| 23:43.37 | xbmodder_lappy | tivo |
| 23:43.41 | xbmodder_lappy | My tivo died |
| 23:43.46 | xbmodder_lappy | it was sad |
| 23:44.11 | xbmodder_lappy | now I am pissed off. |
| 23:44.48 | mrpull | what model? |
| 23:45.15 | mrpull | i maintain that the directivos are the best PVR's hands down |
| 23:46.42 | goozbach | there's more than just inodes to modify |
| 23:47.42 | jlp_work | mrpull: if only dtv would allow some of the new tivo software features on the combo boxes |
| 23:48.15 | mrpull | jlp: i run 4.x on my dtivo. it wasn't too tough to install |
| 23:48.43 | mrpull | it has most of the features of the newer standalones. |
| 23:48.51 | mrpull | my favorite add on is the caller id |
| 23:51.23 | jlp_work | is there a cookbook for that? |
| 23:53.09 | mrpull | jlp do you have a dtivo? if so, which one. the ease depends on the model |
| 23:53.33 | jlp_work | I have two, both DSR6000 (series 1 boxes) |
| 23:53.51 | mrpull | ahh... it may be a S2 only hack. |
| 23:55.05 | SpecialZ | Is there an OS X command to lock the screen from a terminal? |
| 23:57.11 | mrpull | jlp_work: http://bah.org/~greg/tivo/elseed/ |
| 23:57.34 | mrpull | i assume you don't have network cards in your dtivos tho right? |