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| 00:22.48 | *** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds |
| 00:23.08 | lars-ut | Looking for suggestions on an ipod nano case that will handle 4 foot drops... |
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| 00:26.53 | Goshen | colera: Mandriva is easy to use, and its pretty |
| 00:26.56 | colera | lars-ut: did you already drop it? |
| 00:27.00 | colera | i like pretty |
| 00:27.27 | lars-ut | no - I recommended it to a friend - she's buying one tomorrow. |
| 00:27.34 | colera | i love the nano |
| 00:27.35 | lars-ut | the nano that is. |
| 00:27.39 | colera | it's sooo cool |
| 00:27.48 | lars-ut | Do you have a case? |
| 00:27.56 | colera | i wish i hadn't bought a shuffle |
| 00:28.09 | colera | i don't have a nano |
| 00:28.15 | colera | sadly |
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| 00:30.10 | lars-ut | http://www.applesplash.com/home/2005/10/26/ipod-nano-cases/ |
| 00:30.35 | lars-ut | Maybe that Shield 4 - "good hard plastic case" |
| 00:32.19 | colera | yeah i think the case would crack no? |
| 00:37.22 | lars-ut | colera: I'd be ok if the case cracked. |
| 00:37.39 | lars-ut | just not what's inside it. |
| 00:37.48 | Goshen | nice quit line :) |
| 00:38.06 | lars-ut | :) - Ever notice how cell phones split when you drop 'em? |
| 00:38.30 | lars-ut | then you reattach a battery or snap it back together |
| 00:39.14 | goozbach | ok so this is neato |
| 00:39.17 | goozbach | anyterm.org |
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| 00:47.52 | Goshen | Is anyone here going to the sllug meeting tonight? |
| 00:48.26 | albino | Goshen: Whats it on? |
| 00:48.49 | Goshen | a tiny embeded linux device that runs off usb |
| 00:49.18 | Goshen | I spoke with the guy, he called me because he couldn't find anyone to talk to about presenting a few days ago |
| 00:49.27 | Goshen | and he saw my posting about the install fest this weekend |
| 00:49.30 | xbmodder | asterisk=confusing |
| 00:49.34 | Goshen | it sounds like an interesting device |
| 00:49.50 | Goshen | xbmodder: I run asterisk, its not that bad really once you get the hang of it |
| 00:49.58 | Goshen | xbmodder: the key is looking at examples |
| 00:50.00 | RyanE | sendmail-config: confusing. asterisk: not confusing, but many choices. |
| 00:51.06 | jsmith | xbmodder: Go read the starfish book, and then it won't be quite so confusing... |
| 00:51.34 | xbmodder | jsmith, sure. |
| 00:51.52 | jsmith | xbmodder: www.asteriskdocs.org has the PDF, if you didn't know that already |
| 00:52.11 | xbmodder | jsmith, can you help me out with my current setup? |
| 00:52.28 | tensai | nah, don't bother with asterisk. phones are so last century. |
| 00:52.33 | jsmith | xbmodder: I'll try -- I don't have a lot of time right this second, but I'd love to help... |
| 00:52.45 | jsmith | xbmodder: tensai and elg are good resources too :-) |
| 00:53.18 | jsmith | tensai: So is email, but you haven't given up on that yet :-) |
| 00:53.32 | lars-ut | aluminum or plastic case for ipod nano? |
| 00:53.49 | jsmith | aluminum |
| 00:54.03 | Goshen | starfish book? isn't yours better? :) |
| 00:54.19 | lars-ut | jsmith: http://www.podsplus.com/ |
| 00:54.32 | lars-ut | thinkin' of one of those - middle of page |
| 00:54.33 | Goshen | xbmodder: What is your asterisk problem? |
| 00:54.49 | Goshen | xbmodder: I have found the people in #asterisk to be quite helpful |
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| 00:55.39 | Bradipo | Why use #asterisk when we have jsmith in #utah. :-) |
| 00:56.14 | lars-ut | here's the other one I was considering recommending: Shield 4 Nano by http://www.agent18.com/ |
| 00:56.52 | jsmith | Bradipo: Especially when the signal-to-noise ratio in here is slightly better :-) |
| 00:57.05 | jsmith | Goshen: Yeah. |
| 00:57.12 | lars-ut | a friend is buying a nano tomorrow on my recommendation & I want to make sure she gets a good case as well |
| 00:57.15 | Bradipo | Depends on the topic (or off-topic as the case may be) |
| 00:57.27 | lars-ut | ipod = geek toy = on topic |
| 00:57.29 | jsmith | Bradipo: Everything is off-topic :-) |
| 00:57.56 | Goshen | nobody going to the sllug meeting tonight? |
| 00:58.19 | lars-ut | I mean ipod communicates with your favorite OSS *nix distro. |
| 00:58.46 | jsmith | Goshen: I can't -- I'm out of the state... |
| 00:59.17 | Bradipo | lars-ut: I've been using gtkpod, and it works alright. |
| 00:59.36 | Bradipo | I've found that I have to hit the sync button many times, however, before it actually completes all of the transfers. |
| 00:59.46 | Bradipo | If only I could just: cp *.mp3 /mnt/ipod |
| 00:59.54 | Bradipo | That would be the best interface. |
| 00:59.58 | lars-ut | :) |
| 01:00.01 | maquis | Bradipo: i'm with you on that... |
| 01:00.07 | tensai | Bradipo: I use rsync for my mp3 player |
| 01:00.09 | lars-ut | alias cp ... |
| 01:00.15 | maquis | anyone know if ipodlinux lets you do it that way? |
| 01:00.19 | Bradipo | tensai: Which player? |
| 01:00.49 | tensai | not a fruit. creative micro tx. 256MB flash player. |
| 01:01.28 | tensai | I just use it for podcasting so 256 works great |
| 01:02.21 | tensai | boy I sure can kill a conversation |
| 01:02.31 | Bradipo | Everyone is looking at them... |
| 01:05.32 | xbmodder | goozbach, |
| 01:06.21 | goozbach | xbmodder, |
| 01:06.36 | maquis | goozbach: !!!! |
| 01:07.37 | elg | 4foot drop? is she 4 feet tall? |
| 01:08.36 | elg | i think I'm going to get myself an iriver for xmas |
| 01:08.39 | Bradipo | Well, unless she holds the ipod up to her face, she is likely taller. |
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| 01:10.08 | lars-ut | elg: nah - I just figured that's a good magic number for drops |
| 01:11.00 | lars-ut | I recommended the aluminum case with neoprene lining from podsplus.com |
| 01:11.03 | xbmodder | xbmodder*CLI> sip show channels |
| 01:11.03 | xbmodder | Peer User/ANR Call ID Seq (Tx/Rx) Form Hold Last Message |
| 01:11.03 | xbmodder | 0 active SIP channels |
| 01:11.07 | xbmodder | no channels? |
| 01:11.11 | xbmodder | How do I list them all? |
| 01:12.15 | maquis | ~dict thermocline |
| 01:13.10 | lars-ut-away | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocline |
| 01:14.34 | elg | thermocline, n: Where beatnicks in thermals recline |
| 01:14.51 | jsmith | xbmodder: That's a listing of the *currently active* sip channels. Is that what you wanted? |
| 01:15.07 | xbmodder | jsmith, no, |
| 01:15.11 | tensai | xbmodder: you probably want sip show [users|peers] |
| 01:15.34 | xbmodder | I have no idea why this isn't working :( |
| 01:15.50 | Newsome | ~dict raving lunatic |
| 01:17.54 | xbmodder | jsmith, is there a way that a auto-call file can call directly from a trunk and not have *any* context |
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| 01:22.22 | jsmith | xbmodder: Uh, well... um... I'm not sure. Why not just give it an empty context? |
| 01:22.39 | jsmith | s/does/doesn't/ |
| 01:22.45 | jsmith | Man, my fingers are going on strike today. |
| 01:24.54 | maquis | jsmith: that was a great typo ;) |
| 01:29.36 | Newsome | ~lart AIMbots |
| 01:33.46 | maquis | -lart Newsome |
| 01:34.57 | xbmodder | firefox took up 750 mb ram |
| 01:37.02 | Newsome | well, that'll solve my problems all right! |
| 01:37.42 | maquis | Newsome: :) |
| 01:37.49 | maquis | just trying to be helpful :) |
| 01:38.11 | Newsome | great, thanks :) |
| 01:40.15 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | note to self: watch what sed will do |
| 01:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | APPEND console=ttyS0,115200n8 panic=1 rwot=/dev/hda3 quiet rw |
| 01:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I did s/ro/rw/ |
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| 01:58.44 | tensai | ~flush maquis |
| 01:58.46 | ibot | ACTION flushes maquis like maquis was yesterday's lunch |
| 02:01.42 | maquis | ~fight tensai |
| 02:01.44 | ibot | ACTION laughs as tensai reboots joanna.zmonkey.org sending maquis into the aether |
| 02:01.51 | maquis | hey! |
| 02:01.55 | maquis | -lart ibot |
| 02:02.30 | tensai | ~literal fight (.*?) |
| 02:02.32 | ibot | ACTION laughs as (.*?) reboots kite.zmonkey.org sending tensai into the aether |
| 02:02.39 | tensai | ~literal fight $who |
| 02:02.40 | ibot | ACTION laughs as $who reboots kite.zmonkey.org sending tensai into the aether |
| 02:02.59 | maquis | ~literal fight foo |
| 02:03.01 | ibot | ACTION laughs as foo reboots joanna.zmonkey.org sending maquis into the aether |
| 02:03.08 | tensai | ~literal fight <who> |
| 02:03.09 | ibot | ACTION laughs as <who> reboots kite.zmonkey.org sending tensai into the aether |
| 02:03.18 | tensai | clearly we don't know the syntax for that |
| 02:03.30 | maquis | tensai: the funny part of the initial one is that it's actually possible... :) |
| 02:03.35 | maquis | ~literal fight |
| 02:07.37 | maquis | ~say ~fight brac |
| 02:07.38 | ibot | ~fight brac |
| 02:07.50 | maquis | -say ~fight brac |
| 02:07.50 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 02:07.58 | maquis | brac: why? |
| 02:07.58 | brac | you best check yo'self! |
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| 02:08.05 | maquis | brac: you're stupid |
| 02:08.15 | maquis | -fight Linoobux |
| 02:08.27 | maquis | hey! |
| 02:08.33 | tensai | :) |
| 02:08.52 | Linoobux | -fight |
| 02:08.55 | Linoobux | d'oh! |
| 02:09.02 | Linoobux | -rock |
| 02:09.04 | Linoobux | -throw |
| 02:09.10 | Linoobux | hmmm |
| 02:09.15 | maquis | -lart Linoobux |
| 02:09.23 | maquis | hehehe |
| 02:09.25 | Linoobux | lol |
| 02:09.32 | Linoobux | aw man! I just got rid of that! |
| 02:09.42 | maquis | ~mock Linoobux |
| 02:09.43 | ibot | ACTION pulls Linoobux's pants down and shows the world Linoobux's pink spotted underwear |
| 02:09.57 | Linoobux | linoobux blushes |
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| 02:14.08 | *** mode/#utah [-o maquis] by maquis |
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| 02:18.30 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 02:22.37 | tensai | ~reboot maquis |
| 02:22.39 | ibot | ACTION pushes maquis's reset button |
| 02:24.49 | tensai | you should. it's pretty awesome. |
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| 02:43.11 | xbmodder_lappy | in the auto-dial files for "Application" can I put "Application: /usr/bin/test.asterisk" |
| 02:43.47 | xbmodder_lappy | (asterisk) |
| 02:43.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen jsmith |
| 02:43.57 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@vpnpip.dal.omniture.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 21m 12s ago, saying: 'Man, my fingers are going on strike today.'. |
| 02:51.42 | mheath | ~lart a demonstration |
| 02:55.13 | mheath | Wow |
| 02:55.20 | Tene | ? |
| 02:55.24 | Tene | ~lart mheath |
| 02:55.34 | Tene | ~lart mheath for giving a demonstration |
| 02:55.48 | mheath | This guy is convinced that he has a "WAN IP Conflict" because his ISPs DHCP server didn't give his new router the same IP address. |
| 02:56.01 | mheath | *the same IP address as his old one |
| 02:56.02 | Tene | what would that even be? |
| 02:56.21 | mheath | It would be...getting a new IP addressed leased to you :D |
| 02:56.31 | mheath | He's convinced that the correct term is "WAN IP Conflict" |
| 02:57.51 | Tene | why does he think that? |
| 02:57.54 | Tene | I blame you. |
| 02:57.57 | Tene | ~blame mheath |
| 02:57.58 | ibot | ACTION blames mheath for the end of culture as we know it |
| 02:58.20 | mheath | It cracks me up....... |
| 02:58.33 | mheath | I discovered a new source of irritation |
| 02:58.49 | Tene | cayenne pepper? |
| 02:59.14 | mheath | A kid in my engineering class (which we use computers in extensively), who seems convinced that it is an enlightened quest for him to get past the schools simple security measures. |
| 02:59.33 | mheath | IE, porn blocking, teacher-has-the-ability-to-stop-you-from-viewing-any-website block... |
| 03:00.16 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, its fun to screw with the schools |
| 03:00.52 | mheath | The type of guy who's convinced that he's the "31337 hacker" (and seriously uses spelling like that), and so arrogant that he thinks he's gods gift to computing for being able to circumvent this security. |
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| 03:01.28 | mheath | Kinda scary, actually, because it distinctly reminds me of...well, me. A several-years-ago version of me. |
| 03:03.10 | mheath | xbmodder: You think its fun to waste your time circumventing harmless, pointless, unobtrusive filters so you can view unauthorized webpages for short amounts of time on school computers? |
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| 03:03.44 | dna3e8 | good evening |
| 03:04.13 | mheath | dna3e8: Welcome :) |
| 03:09.30 | mheath | There we go |
| 03:09.34 | mheath | TCP/IP/ULF |
| 03:10.06 | mheath | For the deepsea internet user.... |
| 03:10.40 | xbmodder_lappy | Is this a valid extension |
| 03:10.51 | xbmodder_lappy | [inbound] |
| 03:10.51 | xbmodder_lappy | exten => 8883145779,1,Answer |
| 03:10.51 | xbmodder_lappy | exten => 8883145779,2,MP3Player(/mnt/music/Rob_Zombie_-_Feel_So_Numb.mp3) |
| 03:10.51 | xbmodder_lappy | exten => 8883145779,3,Hangup |
| 03:11.33 | xbmodder_lappy | holy-shit |
| 03:15.02 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: that kind of language is not appreciated |
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| 03:17.57 | hans | They're saying tonight may be the coldest night of the year here |
| 03:18.29 | hans | predicted -2C (high 20s F) |
| 03:18.36 | hans | better get out my parka and beanie |
| 03:19.40 | synic | where's "here" ? |
| 03:20.19 | colera | that's cold man |
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| 03:21.33 | tensai | synic: he's in new mexico |
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| 03:21.54 | synic | ah. |
| 03:22.01 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, sorry, just really suprised |
| 03:22.39 | mheath | Though I'll be trampling through the snow the whole time =\ |
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| 03:24.32 | mheath | Hmm, Maybe I should ask for some feedback related to an idea I had |
| 03:24.42 | mheath | I was considering putting up a simple website..... |
| 03:25.00 | mheath | Designed as a user friendly "northern utah" wiki |
| 03:25.13 | mheath | Yellow Pages + Reviews + Tourist Information + ...... |
| 03:25.24 | mheath | All on a wiki |
| 03:27.29 | graphyx_home | hans: I thought there was a reference to the commands that you can use in the extensions configuration somewhere. |
| 03:27.32 | graphyx_home | any ideas where that would be? |
| 03:28.21 | hans | sure, one of the appendices in the starfish book, and at the asterisk command line |
| 03:28.23 | hans | show applications |
| 03:28.38 | tensai | graphyx_home: voip-info.org |
| 03:28.53 | graphyx_home | hans. Jsmith said he has that appendices on voip-info.org but I can't find a link. |
| 03:28.56 | graphyx_home | I don't have the book |
| 03:29.01 | hans | it's online |
| 03:29.07 | graphyx_home | where? |
| 03:29.30 | tensai | asterisk-docs |
| 03:29.34 | hans | http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/news/ |
| 03:29.54 | hans | or, particularly: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=11 |
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| 03:30.33 | hans | oh that's brilliant, pop up a new window to download a zip file. :) |
| 03:31.04 | graphyx_home | Thanks for the links. |
| 03:43.12 | Tene | http://allalone.org/pics/edemo.png |
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| 03:49.18 | graphyx_home | hans got any other lines to call? |
| 03:49.18 | graphyx_home | The monkeys are getting odl. |
| 03:49.31 | graphyx_home | I guess I don't need them but I can't figure out where to find the playback folder for asterisk options so I keep calling up your server. |
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| 04:10.20 | xbmodder_lappy | what is the "s" variable in the dial pan? |
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| 04:11.48 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: start. it's the extension used if no extension is specified |
| 04:13.47 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, ok this context can be called by two different channels |
| 04:14.03 | xbmodder_lappy | now what variable has the channel's number in it? |
| 04:15.04 | tensai | "channel's number"? what do you mean? |
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| 04:17.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I am getting this error: |
| 04:17.10 | levi | Good evening. |
| 04:17.11 | xbmodder_lappy | http://voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+extensions.conf |
| 04:17.15 | xbmodder_lappy | ack wrong paste |
| 04:17.17 | xbmodder_lappy | *CLI> Nov 16 20:16:26 NOTICE[4313]: chan_iax2.c:7195 socket_read: Rejected connect attempt from 198.22.67.70, request '8883145779@inbound' does not exist |
| 04:17.23 | xbmodder_lappy | that error ^^ |
| 04:17.35 | xbmodder_lappy | even though: |
| 04:17.36 | xbmodder_lappy | [inbound] |
| 04:17.37 | xbmodder_lappy | exten => s,1,Answer |
| 04:18.33 | tensai | xbmodder_lappy: s is not a wild card. it means no extension specified. in this case, 8883145779 is specified so s doesn't match. |
| 04:19.07 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm. IAX2 automatically specifies extensions, and is there a wild card extension |
| 04:19.22 | tensai | _., I think |
| 04:20.29 | xbmodder_lappy | exten => _.,1,Answer |
| 04:20.29 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.48 | tensai | I think so |
| 04:22.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ok. |
| 04:22.38 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:22.51 | xbmodder_lappy | now hopefully my last question. |
| 04:23.06 | xbmodder_lappy | How do I find out which extension the channel is specifying |
| 04:25.23 | tensai | shouldn't you know if you're entering it? |
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| 04:30.19 | rkm | anyone know a UNIX command to show the total size of a folder and everything in it? |
| 04:30.36 | levi | du |
| 04:30.49 | rkm | ah that rings a bell thanks |
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| 05:16.59 | levi | maquis: Heh. You'll graduate in time. As will I, maybe, someday. |
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| 05:33.22 | SpecialZ | ~poke maquis |
| 05:33.24 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, specialz? brac? |
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| 05:51.28 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 05:58.03 | bonez39 | is spyware a concern for any of you? I am just curious...whether I should be running anything to scan/purge it from my debian 3.1 box |
| 06:02.24 | tensai | bonez39: hah! no, I don't think so. the majority of web-installed spyware (all?) abuses active-x to get installed. no problem there. |
| 06:02.57 | tensai | the rest of it (gator, etc.) are tag-alongs with software installs. given that all software in debian is open-source, no problem there either. |
| 06:03.14 | tensai | it's possible, of course, but at this point I've never heard of such a thing |
| 06:04.05 | maquis | tensai: when you played with the DRM removal tool, I recall you asking something about whether the activex component was sticking around... (i think you mentioned that, at least).... |
| 06:04.30 | maquis | interesting, since it was found that A) it does stick around and B) it's really poorly written |
| 06:04.53 | tensai | I don't think that was me, but I've seen that report. I need to clean out my crossover install I guess. |
| 06:05.03 | tensai | the one I only use to test retarded rootkits :) |
| 06:05.09 | maquis | :) |
| 06:06.18 | maquis | this whole "one tiny step forward, 2 big steps back" thing doesn't count as damage control |
| 06:06.21 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.26 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate this |
| 06:06.33 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: me too |
| 06:06.41 | maquis | what are you hating? |
| 06:07.26 | xbmodder_lappy | Credit Card verification |
| 06:07.29 | xbmodder_lappy | IT TAKES SO LONG |
| 06:07.39 | xbmodder_lappy | GRR |
| 06:08.14 | maquis | ?? |
| 06:11.06 | xbmodder_lappy | teliax.com |
| 06:11.12 | xbmodder_lappy | they verify your credit card |
| 06:24.55 | xbmodder_lappy | How long do transactions on credit cards take to show up? |
| 06:25.16 | levi | It depends. |
| 06:25.32 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 06:25.37 | levi | I'm not quite sure what it depends on, but the time seems to vary. |
| 06:25.47 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here have a teliax account or a one time use credit card. |
| 06:26.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I'll pay you back on the card ~21 bucks (paypal |
| 06:26.45 | maquis | http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=00036BE7-688E-137A-A54083414B7F0000 <-- no wonder i'm always craving sugar! |
| 06:26.47 | brac | [Science & Technology at Scientific American.com: Sweet Snacks May Slacken Stress] |
| 06:27.26 | levi | And this is why we are an overweight nation. ;) |
| 06:27.42 | maquis | levi: i much prefer seeing it as an excuse |
| 06:28.12 | levi | Well, consider it an excuse with side-effects. |
| 06:31.28 | levi | Of course, I indulged in an oreo shake from Hogi Yogi tonight, so I have no room to speak. |
| 06:34.01 | maquis | http://techdirt.com/articles/20051116/0936237_F.shtml |
| 06:34.03 | brac | [Techdirt:AOL Has Decided I Don't Have Enough Robotic Friends] |
| 06:37.20 | findlay | maquis: boo!!@!1 |
| 06:37.32 | maquis | ??? |
| 06:38.02 | findlay | you're supposed to start weeping or run away or something |
| 06:38.11 | maquis | findlay: haha |
| 06:38.19 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/50765/ShowPost.aspx |
| 06:38.22 | maquis | IPES! |
| 06:50.13 | bonez39 | tensai, and rootkits can't really bother a debian or linux system..right? |
| 06:50.29 | maquis | bonez39: windoze rootkits can't |
| 06:50.55 | bonez39 | maquis, do you suggest there are also linux rootkits then? |
| 06:51.18 | Newsome | there are |
| 06:51.18 | maquis | bonez39: i don't know for sure, but i wouldn't say that there definitely aren't... my suspicion is that there are.... |
| 06:51.40 | maquis | Newsome: you're so much more succinct and definitive... :) |
| 06:52.01 | maquis | this is so disturbing |
| 06:52.29 | maquis | the MPAA is trying to convince people that pirated dvds are the same as "drugs on the street" |
| 06:52.36 | Newsome | usually, they replace a whole bunch of applications that you'd use to find out about their presence, keep them out, or fix the problem |
| 06:52.55 | Newsome | ls, ps, login, top, etc. |
| 06:53.36 | maquis | Newsome: today in 465, we learned about the gcc compiler hack that was presented at some ACM conference back in 95... supposed to be really classic... that was *really* interesting |
| 06:53.56 | levi | When you make copying dvds a criminal offense, only criminals will have copied dvds!!11 |
| 06:54.10 | maquis | levi: umm.. yup :) |
| 06:54.12 | Newsome | oh, and md5sum (in case you wanted to check to find out if your programs were still valid) |
| 06:54.17 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:54.40 | maquis | that's why if you suspect and want to check, you should boot into a livecd and use the cd's md5sum |
| 06:54.44 | levi | Newsome: Then they will be either valid, or a trojan with an md5 collision! |
| 06:55.10 | maquis | levi: or a trojan that knows to return certain values without calculating the sum... |
| 06:55.13 | Newsome | maquis: the gcc compiler hack for compiling login that compiled in a backdoor? |
| 06:55.20 | maquis | yup |
| 06:55.41 | Newsome | the actual binaries are copied somewhere, so when you run their version of md5sum, it reports the right answer |
| 06:56.05 | maquis | and if you used it to compile a new version of gcc with clean source, the binary would come out with the same problem |
| 06:56.08 | maquis | Newsome: is that how they do it? |
| 06:56.13 | maquis | that's interesting |
| 06:56.35 | Newsome | it's how they hide from md5sum, at least |
| 06:56.52 | Newsome | ps, ls, etc. are trojaned not to display their processes |
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| 06:59.14 | maquis | That is, piracy had ties with terrorism, and in recent years, it has been all to easy to present everything happening in the Middle East as resulting from Islamic extremism. For example, in 2003 the the MPAA's Jack Valenti asserted that September 11, 2001 not only changed the way America views the world, but "it also changed the way American law enforcement looks at intellectual property crimes." <-- huh? |
| 06:59.42 | Newsome | good grief |
| 06:59.52 | maquis | so, if we stopped movie piracy, we could've prevented 9-11? |
| 07:00.01 | levi | maquis: Wow, my eyes are opened to the truth now! |
| 07:00.22 | maquis | ummm... do people actually believe that? |
| 07:01.08 | levi | maquis: People believe a lot of wacky things. |
| 07:01.20 | maquis | levi: apparently |
| 07:01.22 | Newsome | well, people somehow manage to believe just about anything |
| 07:01.35 | Newsome | for instance, take the wacky BYU professor who claims 9/11 was an inside job |
| 07:01.39 | maquis | since obviously, the mpaa is trying to convince us that if you pirate movies, you are also a drug dealer |
| 07:01.57 | maquis | Newsome: i saw that and didn't bother to actually read the article in-depth |
| 07:02.15 | maquis | it looked like a rehash of some poorly-supported arguments i've seen in the past |
| 07:02.15 | Newsome | maybe if popcorn is considered a drug... |
| 07:02.25 | Newsome | yeah |
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| 07:03.36 | JoshH | maquis: its just going to make a lot of conservatives out there despise piracy, that's their goal. |
| 07:03.42 | levi | Even people who you'd think would have critical thinking skills believe bizarre things. |
| 07:03.59 | JoshH | old people who think drugs are evil are going to subconsciously start equating them to piracy |
| 07:04.02 | maquis | Yipes! has anyone seen the system requirements for the aero theme in vista? |
| 07:04.11 | levi | s/conservatives/gullible 'conservative' sheep/ |
| 07:05.24 | Newsome | as a druggie, I take offense to being considered a pirate! |
| 07:05.29 | maquis | haha |
| 07:06.11 | JoshH | levi: right, that's why said "a lot" of conservatives, not all ;) |
| 07:06.18 | levi | As a pirate, I take offense to being associated with petty DVD-copiers! Arrrr! |
| 07:06.48 | maquis | haha... mercedes was showing off a new braking system to help avoid car accidents, and ended up with a 3-car pileup instead |
| 07:07.21 | JoshH | ok, time to play wow |
| 07:08.40 | Newsome | maquis: sounds good. They should ship it. It made millions for Bill Gates & Microsoft. |
| 07:10.53 | Newsome | in fact, I'm sure I've got a copy of the Win95 demo crashing somewhere around here |
| 07:11.36 | maquis | Newsome: if you dont,emcnabb has it |
| 07:15.58 | maquis | so, the funniest spam i've gotten recently: |
| 07:17.08 | maquis | it was an email that was informing me that due to large number of recent phishing attacks, this random bank wanted me to go to their site and give them my username and password so they could better authenticate me |
| 07:18.36 | maquis | it reminds me of some emails i've seen in the past that said "your computer is probably infected with this virus. download the attached zip file for the uninstaller" |
| 07:19.56 | Newsome | haha |
| 07:20.11 | maquis | gmail is now sticking a big red banner at the top of emails that look like phishing emails... |
| 07:21.31 | maquis | :) |
| 07:23.09 | levi | Have you seen the spamusement comics? |
| 07:23.14 | maquis | levi: nope |
| 07:24.22 | levi | http://spamusement.com/ |
| 07:24.24 | brac | [Spamusement! Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines!] |
| 07:31.30 | findlay | http://url.com |
| 07:31.32 | brac | [Search Directory Page] |
| 07:31.46 | findlay | http://somehost.com |
| 07:32.24 | findlay | http://localhost |
| 07:32.24 | brac | [Hans Fugal] |
| 07:32.30 | findlay | http://localhost.localdomain |
| 07:33.32 | findlay | http://127.0.0.1 |
| 07:33.33 | brac | [Hans Fugal] |
| 07:33.37 | findlay | http://127.0.0.1/manual |
| 07:36.26 | maquis | localhost/../ |
| 07:36.30 | levi | http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/233 |
| 07:36.31 | maquis | er |
| 07:36.31 | brac | [Spamusement! Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines! The internet never sleeps] |
| 07:37.55 | maquis | levi: so sad..... but so true!!! |
| 07:38.14 | maquis | levi: http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/235 |
| 07:38.15 | brac | [Spamusement! Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines! Thinking about you] |
| 07:38.27 | maquis | that's scary |
| 07:40.32 | levi | http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/223 |
| 07:40.33 | brac | [Spamusement! Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines! I've never seen such a fox] |
| 07:41.07 | maquis | http://localhost/../ |
| 07:44.37 | findlay | http://maquis.com |
| 07:44.40 | brac | [www.maquis.com] |
| 07:45.13 | findlay | http://somewierddomainname.com |
| 07:47.20 | Newsome | http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.php |
| 07:47.37 | Newsome | ~lart brac |
| 07:49.26 | findlay | some of those email subjects are funny all of themselves |
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| 07:53.56 | levi | http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/150 |
| 07:53.56 | brac | [Spamusement! Poorly-drawn cartoons inspired by actual spam subject lines! 1-4 extra inches makes a massive difference] |
| 07:54.10 | Newsome | http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.php |
| 07:54.40 | Newsome | brac, are you even listening? |
| 07:54.41 | brac | don't ask me |
| 07:55.40 | Newsome | http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z/ |
| 07:55.47 | Newsome | dork |
| 07:56.27 | Newsome | ~lart http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z/ |
| 07:57.28 | Newsome | hrm. Hans must've figured I'd mess with it |
| 08:04.21 | maquis | Newsome: the first one doesn't exist |
| 08:04.47 | Newsome | no, not anymore |
| 08:04.51 | maquis | ah |
| 08:04.54 | maquis | what were you trying to do? |
| 08:04.58 | maquis | i like the second one :) |
| 08:05.01 | Newsome | it used to work |
| 08:05.07 | findlay | http://208.187.181.35 |
| 08:05.08 | brac | [mikrotik routeros > administration] |
| 08:05.19 | Newsome | I'd get brac and ibot talking to each other |
| 08:05.23 | maquis | oh |
| 08:05.27 | Newsome | http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z/ |
| 08:05.35 | findlay | xbmodder got that working somehow |
| 08:05.47 | Newsome | but, brac seems to ignore me :( |
| 08:06.04 | maquis | i think hans said he had to do something with the way brac was doing that, although i don't think that would've resolved this |
| 08:06.08 | findlay | Newsome: you could hack it to respond to irc and change the page title dynamically |
| 08:06.27 | findlay | that would be interesting, and fun |
| 08:06.28 | Newsome | findlay: yes. I am doing that now |
| 08:06.31 | maquis | the problem he was having was that if someone posted a link to an iso, it would go and download the iso to find out what the subject was |
| 08:06.41 | findlay | ha |
| 08:07.03 | Newsome | http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/z.html |
| 08:07.05 | findlay | a way to saturate hans' bandwidth |
| 08:07.43 | findlay | or even better: |
| 08:07.50 | Newsome | brac would output the title, then ibot would do the lart of the same page, and brac would dutifully output the title |
| 08:08.23 | Newsome | unfortunately, ibot wouldn't respond again |
| 08:09.00 | findlay | http://theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything.info/theinternet20051117.tar.bz2 |
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| 08:40.38 | RyanE | Newsome: TimRiker put brac in ibot's ignore list. |
| 08:40.50 | RyanE | i.e. you can't easily get them into a talk loop anymore. |
| 08:41.05 | Newsome | doh :) |
| 08:41.24 | RyanE | and I think brac doesn't talk titles for a few minutes from the same person, or something like that, IIRC. |
| 08:42.23 | RyanE | sorry. :) |
| 08:43.24 | mheath | I hate this |
| 08:43.31 | Newsome | oh well. I got it to work briefly :) |
| 08:43.44 | mheath | I should be enjoying 11 hours of contented sleep, and the ability to sort of sleep in |
| 08:43.58 | RyanE | mheath: tooth problems still? |
| 08:44.02 | mheath | Instead, I've only been able to sleep for ~15 minutes so far |
| 08:44.08 | mheath | RyanE: Yeah. |
| 08:44.32 | mheath | I'm so insanely tired, yet I can't fall asleep. And I've got a math test in the morning |
| 08:44.44 | RyanE | sorry about that. My 4 extractions at once went flawlessly. No pain and no pills afer day 1 |
| 08:45.17 | mheath | I told the dentist about my continued pain today, when he took out the stitches.... |
| 08:45.29 | mheath | "Oh, you probably have dry sockets..Thats really common. The pain should go away in 10 to 14 days." |
| 08:45.30 | RyanE | does it bother you when you sleep on one particular side? |
| 08:45.39 | RyanE | 10 to 14 days? ouch. |
| 08:45.45 | mheath | I can't do this for 14 days! |
| 08:45.59 | mheath | RyanE: not really |
| 08:46.01 | RyanE | by definition, you can... You likely don't have much choice. |
| 08:46.07 | mheath | I think I've noticed a tiny difference, not enough to help though |
| 08:46.49 | mheath | I can't focus, I'm so tired |
| 08:47.06 | mheath | and I'm tired enough during the day that I'm worried about driving |
| 08:47.23 | mheath | I was doing horrible at driving yesterday; I came very close to getting in several accidents. I couldn't focus. |
| 08:47.46 | RyanE | that bites (pardon the pun). Don't do anything stupid. |
| 08:48.23 | RyanE | I definitely find I can't focus as well during the day when I'm off my sleep patterns. |
| 08:48.52 | RyanE | when I'm sleeping well, even when I stay up late, I can focus until late. Lately, I haven't wanted to sleep until 2-3 AM. I need to get out of the pattern. |
| 08:51.56 | mheath | The way I figure it, I've gotten maybe ~4 hrs of sleep in the past 3 days |
| 08:52.48 | RyanE | mheath: I hope you manage to get some sleep. I'm going to have to do that now. |
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| 15:35.17 | tensai | maquis: there definitely are rootkits for linux. I have cleaned up two this past year. |
| 15:36.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen jsmith |
| 15:36.55 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@vpnpip.dal.omniture.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 14h 14m 10s ago, saying: 'Man, my fingers are going on strike today.'. |
| 15:36.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~memo |
| 15:37.19 | xbmodder_lappy | does jsmith check his memoserv? |
| 15:38.17 | maquis | tensai: that's what i thought... but i wasn't sure, so i decided to be non-committal :) |
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| 15:54.40 | hans | xbmodder: no idea, but I for one hate memoserv |
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| 16:07.25 | hans | -weather kpvu |
| 16:07.26 | brac | 32 minutes ago, on Thu Nov 17 15:35:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KPVU. The temperature was 0 degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1030 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 74.4%. The sky was clear. |
| 16:07.30 | hans | -weather klru |
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| 16:19.38 | hans | welcome away |
| 16:25.09 | jsmith-away | Thanks hans |
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| 17:03.26 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 17:05.05 | levi | Yo. |
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| 17:22.18 | sjansen | http://mothergooserocks.com/mulberrybush.html |
| 17:23.11 | Uncle_Jesse | ack!! pandora really likes Brittney Spears |
| 17:23.56 | Uncle_Jesse | it's been all 80's songs so far, and all of the sudden it's Britney Spear's rendition of "I love Rock N' Roll" |
| 17:24.21 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: Well aint that a bucket of ice dumped on your in your hot shower... |
| 17:24.28 | Uncle_Jesse | so does that mean my music genome preference includes Britney Spears? |
| 17:24.44 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe I should buy more Britney Spears :-) |
| 17:25.25 | levi | Rumors are flying that her marriage is on the rocks. |
| 17:25.37 | levi | Wouldn't that be tragic? |
| 17:27.42 | Jayce^ | sjansen, then imagine it with harleypig dressed as britney... |
| 17:32.22 | sjansen | http://mothergooserocks.com/cds.html <-- man, I almost want to buy some of these CDs |
| 17:33.51 | elg | why? why did my keyboard stop working on reboot? usb sees it |
| 17:34.06 | elg | i.e. it's in dmesg |
| 17:34.14 | elg | the mouse, which is plugged into it, works |
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| 17:34.28 | elg | but the keyboard doesn't. at least not in X. it works on the grub screen |
| 17:35.26 | sjansen | http://mothergooserocks.com/_media/cd1_11_muffet.mp3 |
| 17:43.31 | levi | elg: It hates you. |
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| 17:51.17 | sjansen | levi: that's my line |
| 17:51.31 | levi | sjansen: I stole it fair and square. |
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| 18:33.28 | hans | jsmith-away: serendipity, more people harping on /usr/local independently today |
| 18:33.52 | levi | Harping on /usr/local ? |
| 18:34.15 | hans | getting asterisk to install in /usr/local is an adventure |
| 18:34.27 | hans | on solaris it's even more fun to get it out of /opt |
| 18:34.46 | hans | basically it's a bad makefile design (in that aspect, anyway) |
| 18:35.17 | hans | I posted a patch to the makefile for linux, and the solaris people are complaining also, all on the same day |
| 18:41.24 | hans | ~lart marco |
| 18:41.58 | hans | the guy has serious attitude and attention to detail problems, and he's the maintainer for several rather important debian packages |
| 18:42.16 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:42.46 | levi | Which packages? |
| 18:43.05 | hans | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=339626 |
| 18:43.45 | levi | Oh yeah, udev stuff has bit me before. |
| 18:44.09 | hans | udev is the one I have the most trouble with. |
| 18:44.36 | levi | There was some sort of a kernel upgrade required, or something, and by the time I got told about it there was some nasty package issue that made it incredibly hard to deal with. |
| 18:45.27 | levi | Like, it was checking for the new kernel version at install time, so it wouldn't work to install the kernel package and udev simultaneously... you had to install the new kernel and then reboot, or something like that. |
| 18:45.37 | hans | yeah, same sort of thing here. udev wanted me to purge hotplug, but didn't tell me until setup phase, and that one conflicted with hotplug so hotplug was already installed (and hence not purgeable) |
| 18:46.14 | hans | yeah, they're always the same sort of problem, and he always just snubs the reporter as stupid for not realizing he had to do X before upgrading hotplug. |
| 18:46.53 | levi | How annoying. |
| 18:47.01 | levi | I just don't upgrade much these days. |
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| 18:47.47 | hans | i wouldn't have, if my keyboard hadn't gone to lunch. :) incidentally it didn't help, but rebooting did. it was weird. |
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| 18:55.38 | sjansen | And that is why Debian is a superior distro. |
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| 18:58.33 | dataw0lf | Debian Uber Alles! |
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| 19:07.41 | lars-ut | Anyone know of a local store that sells Dell Laptop optical drives? (new or used) |
| 19:08.31 | jsmith-away | lars-ut: Are you nuts? |
| 19:08.45 | lars-ut | yes. |
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| 19:15.10 | maquis | gah |
| 19:15.53 | jsmith-away | maquis: My thoughts exactly... |
| 19:16.13 | maquis | jsmith-away: what are you thinking that in response to/ |
| 19:17.37 | jsmith-away | maquis: This week in general |
| 19:18.05 | jsmith-away | At least I'm making really good progress. |
| 19:18.14 | maquis | jsmith-away: you having a murphy's law week too? |
| 19:18.30 | jsmith-away | maquis: No, not that bad... |
| 19:18.41 | maquis | jsmith-away: lucky :) |
| 19:18.51 | jsmith-away | maquis: It's just that I would have been done yesterday, but some other people didn't get their parts done... |
| 19:19.42 | maquis | jsmith-away: i'm sorry... that sucks |
| 19:20.32 | jsmith-away | maquis: It's OK... I should finish kicking the other 180 or so servers in the next half hour |
| 19:21.01 | jsmith-away | (Then I can go visit the grassy knoll!) |
| 19:21.46 | maquis | jsmith-away: yeah... but blocking on other people is annoying |
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| 19:23.10 | jsmith-away | maquis: Life is like programming ... full of deadlocks, crashes, load, killed processes, zombies... you get the picture. |
| 19:23.34 | maquis | haha |
| 19:23.52 | sjansen | jsmith-away: reliving memories from your days as a government agent? |
| 19:24.22 | jsmith-away | sjansen: Who says I'm still not one :-) |
| 19:24.50 | sjansen | Me, for starters. In case you haven't noticed, revealing the identity of a covert agent is a federal offense. |
| 19:25.11 | jsmith-away | Who said I was covert? |
| 19:25.32 | jsmith-away | There are a lot of government agents that aren't covert. |
| 19:25.41 | jsmith-away | Like most of the FBI agents. |
| 19:25.51 | jsmith-away | And the Customs agents. |
| 19:25.59 | maquis | sjansen: just in cse, i'd suggest going into hiding for a little... |
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| 19:27.58 | \foo | o/~ Secret agent man, secret agent man... ~/o |
| 19:28.26 | maquis | bah |
| 19:28.32 | maquis | i've gone through the bacteria and protists... |
| 19:28.41 | maquis | i've got fungi, plants and animals left to cover |
| 19:28.50 | maquis | and then i can go crash in the testing center |
| 19:29.36 | hans | did I mention my last day of classes is dec 2? |
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| 19:32.38 | graphyx | Is it working? |
| 19:32.45 | \foo | did I mention the last test I took was september of last year? |
| 19:32.56 | maquis | ~lart \foo |
| 19:33.00 | \foo | graphyx: she's on IRC, of course it isn't working |
| 19:33.14 | \foo | but it's probably not (entirely) the fault of the music |
| 19:33.43 | hans | listening to soundtracks before the movie comes out should be illegal |
| 19:33.55 | maquis | hans: why? |
| 19:34.03 | hans | why not? |
| 19:34.22 | hans | they're hardly worth listening to _after_ |
| 19:35.48 | findlay | some of Williams' scores are timeless though, like ET and Star Wars |
| 19:35.53 | \foo | selling sound tracks should be illegal |
| 19:36.03 | maquis | jurassic park soundtrack is great |
| 19:36.18 | maquis | although, you'll be thinking through that melody for a week after... :) |
| 19:36.25 | \foo | "thank you for paying an obscene ticket price, our conscience has finally kicked in, have a free CD of the sound track in compensation" |
| 19:36.34 | findlay | I didn't like Jurassic Park as much |
| 19:36.39 | maquis | \foo: ok... that'd be nice |
| 19:37.06 | hans | i love the jp and star wars soundtracks, and since those movies came out a long time ago it's a moot point :) |
| 19:38.22 | Hhhhh | hey guys, for my public speaking class, we had to give a persuasive speech, and I talked about Open Source. People liked it a lot, and mine was the speech with the most questions. At the end, I gave a Knoppix LiveCD to everybody and they said they'll try it ;) |
| 19:38.33 | hans | maquis: aside from most soundtracks being lame (john williams being an occasional exception), soundtracks are something of a subconscoius spoiler |
| 19:38.34 | Hhhhh | that was last night |
| 19:38.51 | hans | granted, you've probably read the book already, |
| 19:40.06 | hans | but it's even worse then. all that there is to going to that movie if you've read the book is the thematic effect, which is dampened if you know that the music is about to swell or jump |
| 19:40.39 | findlay | hans: most of the best composers who are well known write film scores |
| 19:40.57 | hans | like mozart and bach? |
| 19:40.58 | findlay | I can only think of one who doesn't |
| 19:41.15 | findlay | mozart and bach are dead |
| 19:41.19 | hans | oh you mean _living_ composers. :) |
| 19:41.51 | hans | why the "who are well known" quantifier? |
| 19:41.51 | amcnabb | To be classical, you have to stop composing and start _decomposing_. Har, har. |
| 19:42.20 | findlay | it's hard to make it big otherwise |
| 19:42.51 | hans | score composition is a good thing. scores are neat. scores without movies, though, are by definition incomplete |
| 19:42.52 | findlay | I'm not saying there's no talent out there, but its hard to get attention |
| 19:43.42 | hans | overtures and themes can stand alone pretty well, but the bulk of the score is just not well separated from the movie |
| 19:43.54 | findlay | hans: that's true |
| 19:44.14 | findlay | depends on the quality of the material |
| 19:44.18 | hans | it's not music for music sake, it's a score. and that's fine, but I don't find that I enjoy listening to them because of it. (unless of course I'm watching the movie) |
| 19:44.36 | hans | findlay: not only on the quality, but also on how coupled to the movie it is. |
| 19:45.05 | hans | williams is a good example. some soundtracks are less-coupled and easy to listen to, others are more coupled and don't stand as well on their own. |
| 19:45.17 | findlay | what about when the music has strong coherence? |
| 19:45.34 | hans | star wars is fairly independent. phantom menace is very dependent |
| 19:45.40 | hans | or coupled. whatever word |
| 19:45.52 | hans | interdependent... whatever |
| 19:46.29 | hans | and I wager the director has some say in that (in an indirect wave-your-hands imprecise adjectives sort of way) |
| 19:50.35 | graphyx | cohesion. |
| 19:50.41 | graphyx | Thats your word. |
| 19:51.17 | graphyx | no... I'm wrong. |
| 19:51.23 | graphyx | coupling is right. |
| 19:51.27 | findlay | ibot: cohesion is your word |
| 19:51.29 | ibot | ...but cohesion is already something else... |
| 19:51.34 | findlay | no |
| 19:51.49 | graphyx | ~cohension |
| 19:51.54 | findlay | ibot: cohesion is also your word and coupling is as well |
| 19:51.55 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 19:52.07 | graphyx | ~cohesion |
| 19:52.08 | ibot | Java-based Plugable Application Framework, including Modelling Plugin and others. URL: http://europa.it.swin.edu.au/teamb/, or your word and coupling is as well |
| 19:52.50 | graphyx | findlay: Are you demonstrating one of the very many reasons why most of the stuff on the internet is just junk? |
| 19:52.59 | findlay | probably |
| 19:54.20 | findlay | the US only graduates 4400 natural philosophy doctors per year. That means I'm going to be uber-133t. |
| 19:55.21 | graphyx | findlay: Does that mean you are getting a doctorate in natural philosophy? |
| 19:55.32 | findlay | in a manner of speaking |
| 19:55.51 | graphyx | Or are you simply saying you like to talk? |
| 19:57.01 | findlay | maybe it means there isn't that much demand for PhDs of science |
| 19:57.17 | scott | only 1000 ph.d's in economics each year |
| 19:57.38 | scott | so 4000 in natural philosophy sounds like a lot |
| 19:57.55 | maquis | "ascomycotes form spores in asci" |
| 19:58.01 | findlay | not for 300 million people |
| 20:04.35 | scott | oh, is your 4400 the number from romney's speech? |
| 20:04.45 | findlay | yes |
| 20:05.21 | \foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.33 | scott | the /. summary says that's all mathematics and science PhDs |
| 20:05.51 | findlay | \foo: would you like fries with that? |
| 20:06.09 | scott | which seems like way too few considering there are 1000 econ phDs |
| 20:06.44 | \foo | findlay: Have you considered the fry as an expression of post-post thought? |
| 20:07.44 | colera | \foo: philosphy is actually really crucial for our society |
| 20:08.30 | \foo | As practiced by a large number of professors in philosophy and english departments? Hardly. |
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| 20:09.23 | findlay | natural philosophy used to be a way to refer to mathematics and natural sciences collectively, but I still prefer natural philosophy |
| 20:09.34 | \foo | I don't disagree that philosophy is important to society, I do question how much good people that reach the point of being able to generate the double-speak necessary to get published can actually accomplish. |
| 20:11.23 | colera | okay thats actually as very fair statement |
| 20:11.29 | colera | i agree |
| 20:11.29 | findlay | physicists need $millions for expensive scientific, highly sophisticated research technology, mathemeticians only need paper, pens, and trash cans. Philosophers however only need paper and pens. |
| 20:11.41 | colera | hahahaha |
| 20:11.46 | colera | that's a good one |
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| 20:12.22 | \foo | findlay++ |
| 20:13.11 | graphyx | ~findlay++ |
| 20:13.20 | graphyx | ~findlay |
| 20:13.21 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, findlay is not a 'filthy cardassian spy' |
| 20:13.36 | graphyx | ~karma findlay |
| 20:13.36 | ibot | findlay has karma of 2 |
| 20:13.43 | graphyx | ~karma graphyx |
| 20:13.43 | ibot | graphyx has neutral karma |
| 20:13.48 | findlay | \foo: what does doublespeak have to do with getting published, and why question what doublespeakers accomplish? |
| 20:20.12 | findlay | I wonder what speak in hypercomplex would be like |
| 20:20.33 | \foo | Doublespeak is a deragatory reference to 1984. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak |
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| 20:23.06 | \foo | English and philosophy professors have are faced with a strong temptation to use incomprehensible jargon to obscure and publish pointless discussion that makes them look erudite. |
| 20:23.57 | findlay | and increment++ the paper count, used by universites to metric tenure-worthiness |
| 20:24.02 | findlay | I see |
| 20:24.49 | \foo | Hmmm... I guess doublespeak doesn't come from 1984. Doublethink does. |
| 20:24.56 | findlay | too much moneypolticking |
| 20:25.22 | findlay | there's an essay on newspeak as an appendix to 1984 by Orwell |
| 20:25.25 | harleypig | Anyone seen base.google.com ? |
| 20:25.38 | findlay | harleypig: all your base! |
| 20:25.49 | findlay | harleypig: did you lose it? |
| 20:26.00 | findlay | ~seen base.google.com |
| 20:26.04 | ibot | findlay: i haven't seen 'base.google.com' |
| 20:26.27 | findlay | harleypig: ibot doens't know where it is, but we'll keep looking |
| 20:26.31 | Peregrine | jsmith-away: I've been to the grassy knoll; I think you'll enjoy it. |
| 20:29.36 | harleypig | ~lart findlay |
| 20:30.23 | Jayce^ | it's nice having him in firing range now |
| 20:30.27 | harleypig | Over 2 rows of cubies. |
| 20:30.31 | Jayce^ | theraputic :) |
| 20:30.36 | harleypig | cathartic |
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| 20:31.04 | Jayce^ | careful, I'll pull out the 20-shot automatic |
| 20:31.31 | harleypig | let's see you nail me with all 20 of them |
| 20:31.33 | harleypig | from there |
| 20:31.34 | harleypig | :P |
| 20:31.42 | harleypig | on full auto |
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| 20:39.18 | xbmodder_ | hey jsmith-away and other asterisk smart people. |
| 20:39.23 | xbmodder_ | I am having an error with teliax: |
| 20:39.26 | xbmodder_ | http://pastebin.ca/29061 |
| 20:39.33 | xbmodder_ | For some reason all of the providers autmatically go to the "default" context even though I specify otherwise |
| 20:41.43 | Peregrine | Having enough trouble with the brainsizes of these hominids, maquis? |
| 20:42.16 | maquis | Peregrine: yes |
| 20:42.24 | harleypig | Peregrine: You owe me a new keyboard. |
| 20:42.45 | maquis | Peregrine: bio tests are annoying |
| 20:43.12 | xbmodder_ | please? |
| 20:43.28 | maquis | but i think i can at least do better than the pre-med kid that was sitting in front of me in class... he took the test yesterday and got 35%... |
| 20:43.52 | graphyx | is it multiple guess? |
| 20:43.53 | hans | was he an ancient hominid? |
| 20:43.56 | graphyx | 4 answers? |
| 20:44.12 | graphyx | Is so that means that he only really got 14% right and the rest were correct by default. |
| 20:44.14 | maquis | graphyx: ranges between 2 and 9 answers |
| 20:44.19 | hans | more likely multiple choice and single guess |
| 20:44.54 | maquis | hans: yeah... well... :) |
| 20:45.15 | maquis | given that it's murphy's law week, i'm slightly scared to go take this |
| 20:46.19 | hans | nah, you're focusing on what can go wrong for you too much. if it's murphy's law week then you have to take into account what can go wrong for everyone |
| 20:46.27 | hans | the testing center, the teachers, etc |
| 20:47.47 | harleypig | hans: Murphy's law applies the law of worst damage ... whoever will be affected the worst will be the one affected. |
| 20:47.58 | maquis | hans: it's murphy's law week for me |
| 20:48.00 | harleypig | But I'm just a pessimist. |
| 20:48.35 | hans | well let's see. teacher gives test that everyone flunks, or everyone aces. student just gets bad grade for one test |
| 20:48.48 | hans | testing center loses all data for the day, vs student gets a bad grade on one test |
| 20:49.03 | hans | I think it's pretty clear. but if it's maquis-only murphy week, then that's a different story |
| 20:49.20 | hans | wait, you forgot your hominid brain! |
| 20:49.34 | harleypig | If teacher has tenure, testing center has backup that works for this one day... |
| 20:49.34 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:49.54 | harleypig | I can be optimistically pessimistic. |
| 20:50.10 | harleypig | Kind of like multi-person solipsism ... |
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| 20:50.28 | hans | harleypig: you wouldn't get past the beard card checker. |
| 20:50.37 | maquis | harleypig: i'm pretty sure that prof has tenure... |
| 20:50.41 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:50.43 | maquis | not fully sure how he got it... |
| 20:51.21 | harleypig | I went to BYU for part of one semester way back when. I crammed for a test all night, got to the testing center at 8am (or 9am--don't remember) and didn't have a chance to shave. |
| 20:52.12 | harleypig | They wouldn't let me in because the *censored* idiot guarding the door took the credit card test seriously. I dropped out at that point because they refused to let me retake the test. |
| 20:52.42 | harleypig | There were other reasons, but that was the straw. |
| 20:53.18 | Jayce^ | harleypig, I think he had more issue with the fact that you were trying to bring the pipe in.. :) |
| 20:53.19 | findlay | credit card test? |
| 20:53.29 | harleypig | Jayce^: heh |
| 20:53.54 | harleypig | findlay: Run a credit card across your chin. If it scratches then you've got a grooming problem. |
| 20:54.54 | Jayce^ | harleypig, that's pretty sad, since even *I* can fail that test in a day or two |
| 20:55.20 | Jayce^ | and I went two months before the Ricks testing center (more strict) asked me to shave... |
| 20:55.24 | Jayce^ | and that was after the mission |
| 20:57.16 | harleypig | When I shave I have a 5 o'clock shadow by noon. |
| 20:58.42 | \foo | I knew a kid that had 5 o'clock shadow by 9:30 AM. |
| 20:59.53 | harleypig | I had a companion who was like that. We'd come home for lunch and he'd have to shave. |
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| 21:00.24 | xbmodder1 | anyone |
| 21:00.29 | xbmodder1 | jsmith-away: |
| 21:00.35 | hans | wow, sidewalk chalk is not allowed to be erased by their freedom of expression policy here |
| 21:02.16 | JoshH | heh, where is that? |
| 21:02.26 | hans | nmsu |
| 21:02.35 | hans | but apparently spray paint is vandalism and they can remove it |
| 21:03.22 | JoshH | i bet if you wrote something un-PC with chalk they would remove it |
| 21:03.45 | hans | no, I've seen both sides |
| 21:03.50 | hans | it's really ridiculous |
| 21:05.40 | graphyx | I think what hans really wants is a keyboard key mosiac of him and his brother. |
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| 21:06.44 | hans | i doubt there's anything saying I can't wash off the chalk |
| 21:06.54 | hans | just that the university can't |
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| 21:14.02 | xbmodder1 | does anyone know why asterisk is using the wrong context? |
| 21:15.41 | emcnabb | xbmodder, /join #asterisk |
| 21:15.56 | hans | xbmodder: what is the problem exactly? |
| 21:18.52 | mrpull- | xbmodder1: did you ever find a cell phone to landline doc? I found that RCA sells one. |
| 21:27.47 | xbmodder1 | mrpull-: do you know how much it costs. All solutions I found were 100+ |
| 21:27.58 | xbmodder1 | I was thinking <50 |
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| 21:29.10 | mrpull- | i dunno. try froogle. my best guess is about 150 |
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| 21:52.59 | jsmith-away | lars-ut: That's what I had yesterday... |
| 21:53.42 | lars-ut | jsmith-away: yours was probably from a deli - mine is from Apollo Burger. |
| 21:53.49 | lars-ut | still good though. |
| 21:55.20 | jsmith-away | Yeah, a good deli too.. :-) |
| 21:59.34 | mheath | I've felt horrible for the past week. My mouth has been in almost constant pain, I've been tired, and felt icky in various other ways =\ |
| 21:59.56 | jsmith-away | mheath: Uh, yeah -- didn't I tell you it would be like that? |
| 22:00.12 | \foo | The good news is that the worst is behind you. Within a week you should be feeling okay. |
| 22:00.29 | mheath | jsmith-away: You didn't tell me I'd been in so much pain at night, almost a week afterwards, that I can't sleep unless I take many different pills =\ |
| 22:01.21 | mheath | Like right now |
| 22:01.38 | jsmith-away | Uh well -- I thought I had already painted a pretty bleak picture... |
| 22:01.47 | mheath | I'm in a lot of pain, I'm very tired (I've gotten about 5 hours of sleep total in the past 3 nights) |
| 22:02.13 | mheath | I've got this really foul taste in my mouth coming from where one of the teeth was (I think...), that won't go away.. |
| 22:02.26 | mheath | And I feel lightheaded |
| 22:02.38 | jsmith-away | Yup... been there, done that. I remember trying to go to work (they were having a crisis), and having to work for a couple hours, go out to my car and rest for a few minutes, repeat... |
| 22:02.40 | mheath | And I have to go work in 2 hours, to a busy and demanding job. |
| 22:02.54 | jsmith-away | mheath: Oh, btw, that taste will never go away :-) |
| 22:03.18 | \foo | yes it will, and yes it's coming from where your teeth used to be |
| 22:03.38 | \foo | you've got stuff rotting in your mouth, basically |
| 22:03.50 | mheath | I just took my temperature, but it's normal...I feel so lightheaded, that if I stand up for too long I feel really dizzy =\ |
| 22:04.05 | mheath | Everyone made it sound like it would be worse right after |
| 22:04.06 | jsmith-away | That's from the medication, or at least was for me... |
| 22:04.13 | mheath | It's been 7 days, and its still as bad |
| 22:04.17 | mheath | some things have been getting worse =\ |
| 22:04.18 | lars-ut | a little waterproof epoxy'll fix those holes right up |
| 22:04.49 | mheath | jsmith-away: I haven't taken any medication for 4 days now |
| 22:04.52 | \foo | You might want to talk to your oral surgeon. It should be getting better, not worse. |
| 22:05.14 | mheath | \foo: s/oral surgeon/dentist/ |
| 22:05.17 | mheath | \foo: And I already did |
| 22:05.24 | \foo | Although not taking medication and not sleeping as a result is going to slow the healing process. |
| 22:05.25 | mheath | He took out the stitches yesterday |
| 22:05.32 | mheath | I told him all the problems...... |
| 22:05.39 | mheath | He didn't even really look at the biggest problem area.. |
| 22:05.51 | mheath | Then says "Oh, you probably have a bit of dry socket. The pain should go away in 10 to 14 days." |
| 22:06.41 | mheath | The pain comes and goes, somewhat |
| 22:06.51 | mheath | Its worst for some reason when I'm laying in bed at night |
| 22:07.32 | mheath | I've been trying to ignore it, to tough through it |
| 22:07.40 | mheath | But it's starting to really drive me insane. |
| 22:08.41 | mheath | I'm worried about work. My employers policy is that I *can't* get the night off with this short of notice, unless its a major emergency or I have a doctors note. |
| 22:09.07 | mheath | I work in the kitchen at a very busy restraunt. My shifts are short, but they're very very demanding. |
| 22:12.25 | \foo | show up to work, collapse after about an hour, I'm sure they'll let you leave early |
| 22:14.03 | lars-ut | "I'm sorry sir, but that's our policy." |
| 22:14.28 | lars-ut | said policy reasoning reminds me of overstock.com |
| 22:15.57 | mheath | It doesn't hurt to eat anymore (never really did)...I just have this constant aching... |
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| 22:21.32 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 22:21.44 | xbmodder_ | mrpull-: what is the RCA adapter called? |
| 22:21.45 | levi | Peregrine: That probably wouldn't help much if you had to have your wisdom teeth out. |
| 22:22.42 | xbmodder_ | How hard it reverse engineering a cell phone? |
| 22:22.49 | xbmodder_ | well the interface |
| 22:23.36 | jsmith-away | Which interface? |
| 22:23.37 | Peregrine | That's the other good news for me...a few years back, the dentist looked and said, "You're wisdom teeth are fully [extended] and they're not even close to breaking through; you should never need to have them out." :) |
| 22:23.38 | RyanE | you really only need the headphone interface, right? That's usually pretty easy. Buy headphones, cut the earbud and mic off. Control is the hard part. |
| 22:24.38 | RyanE | for a particular phone, I don't know how you could hook up to control it's dialing, and / or answering. |
| 22:24.56 | xbmodder_ | RyanE: I need to detect a call, pickup, listen, and hangup |
| 22:25.18 | RyanE | a *comprehensive* handsfree kit might have all the parts. |
| 22:25.37 | RyanE | like a car kit, where you can answer from the steering wheel, etc. |
| 22:25.49 | RyanE | but I'm guessing you won't find any < $100 |
| 22:26.24 | mheath | RyanE: I think he's looking to code some voice-related program for a smart phone |
| 22:26.29 | mheath | Not control a phone using a computer |
| 22:28.30 | RyanE | mheath: yeah, I get it. |
| 22:28.38 | xbmodder_ | asterisk + cell phone |
| 22:28.51 | RyanE | something like this might work... |
| 22:28.51 | xbmodder_ | = phone tunnel |
| 22:28.54 | RyanE | http://www.cellphoneshop.net/blcephcarkit.html |
| 22:29.11 | xbmodder_ | because Cell2Cell is free and from Cell2Asterisk is what I need to fix |
| 22:29.18 | xbmodder_ | and Asterisk2World -- Is cheap |
| 22:29.58 | RyanE | says 'touch a button to make or end calls'... Also, it has a speaker and mic |
| 22:30.10 | RyanE | and you could actually set the phone to auto-answer. |
| 22:30.37 | RyanE | (assuming your phone is bluetooth)... some simple hardware hacking, and you're set. |
| 22:30.58 | xbmodder_ | If anyone can figure out how to interface asterisk with cell phones they might get some money |
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| 22:32.12 | jsmith-away | xbmodder: Chan_bluetooth, but it's not 100% there. |
| 22:32.48 | xbmodder_ | jsmith-away: but bluetooth phones are not cheap |
| 22:33.03 | xbmodder_ | obviously if I could find customers that'd be greate |
| 22:33.06 | xbmodder_ | great |
| 22:33.17 | jsmith-away | xbmodder_: There's no other easy way to tie into a non-bluetooth cell phone |
| 22:33.43 | RyanE | xbmodder_: any bluetooth solution is going to be more economical to produce, as it can be used across a range of phones, whereas a handsfree kit has to be specific to the phone... production volume == lower cost. |
| 22:34.08 | RyanE | s/economical to produce/cheaper to buy/ |
| 22:35.51 | xbmodder_ | ok. |
| 22:36.01 | xbmodder_ | thanks guys. |
| 22:36.51 | Tene | there's a service that uses mobile-to-mobile free calling to let you talk to a voip service |
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| 23:52.22 | maquis | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/science/7d73/ |
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| 23:52.35 | maquis | fungus: sup? |
| 23:53.03 | maquis | fungus: i think i missed a lot of questions about you on my bio test today....... |
| 23:53.22 | fungus | Uh, oh. shame on you. |
| 23:53.35 | maquis | :( |
| 23:53.54 | maquis | i think at least a few of them i can argue, but... |
