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| 00:27.03 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 00:33.16 | \foo | \foo-skedaddled |
| 00:55.03 | mheath | Hmm, I was wondering if someone could explain a process to me that I'm still a bit confused about.... |
| 00:55.10 | mheath | Say I have a public and private key pair |
| 00:55.36 | mheath | And a server gains a copy of my public key |
| 00:56.05 | mheath | I want to initiate communication with this server by giving it proof that it's communicating with the owner of that public key |
| 00:56.19 | mheath | How would I do that? |
| 00:57.00 | Tene | you would tell the server what public key you want to authenticate against |
| 00:57.11 | Tene | the server would encrypt something with that public key |
| 00:57.22 | Tene | You would decrpyt it with your private key and send it back |
| 00:57.38 | Tene | if what you send back matches what the server encrypted, it trusts you |
| 00:57.59 | mheath | So, in practicality, the server should generate some random string..... |
| 00:58.01 | mheath | encrypt it |
| 00:58.04 | mheath | send it to you |
| 00:58.06 | mheath | you decrypt it |
| 00:58.10 | mheath | and send it back? |
| 00:58.43 | mheath | OK, thanks Tene :) |
| 00:58.59 | mheath | Cryptography and digital signatures have always confused me, somewhat |
| 01:01.45 | sjansen | mheath: Just to make sure, you're not implementing your own encryption library, right? That would be a Very Bad Idea(tm). |
| 01:02.13 | mheath | sjansen: I'm just trying to figure out how I can use the java.security.* stuff to do what I need |
| 01:03.14 | mheath | What would be the best way to assure you're still communicating with who you were in the beginning? |
| 01:03.21 | mheath | I mean, say you go through the process Tene just described |
| 01:03.48 | mheath | What would be the most practical way to make sure that future communication is still with that person? |
| 01:04.07 | mheath | It seems like it would be inefficient to do that check every single time you send something back and forth. |
| 01:04.15 | bigdog_ut | why cant you use ssl communication still? |
| 01:05.32 | mheath | bigdog_ut: I thought SSL was for secure communication. I'm not looking for a secure communication system, I'm looking for a means of verifying that the client is who they say they are. |
| 01:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene's idea sounds like it would work perfectly. |
| 01:06.06 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: I understand that |
| 01:06.30 | mheath | My question, though, is what would be the best way of assuring that the client I'm currently communicating with is still the same client? |
| 01:06.32 | sjansen | secure communication means both knowing who you're talking to and knowing that you can't be overheard |
| 01:06.33 | bigdog_ut | all you are discussing is priv/pub key transfer, but how do you plan to facilitate that |
| 01:06.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep the socket open? |
| 01:07.26 | sjansen | sometimes you might only care about privacy, but if you care about authentication you have to care about privacy too |
| 01:07.32 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: hmmm, that won't really work for this situation, but I think you just gave me an idea... |
| 01:08.13 | sjansen | Good SSL implementations cache information so that re-establishing connections isn't nearly as complicated as creating the first connection. |
| 01:09.28 | sjansen | mheath: Don't try to get too fancy. The moment you step outside of standard usage, you'll probably make a mistake that will trash the security of your app. |
| 01:10.18 | bigdog_ut | and by utilizing existing standards, you will be more app to sell your product |
| 01:10.32 | sjansen | ScytheBlade1: "Tene's idea", if you're referring to how public/private key authentication occurs isn't Tene's idea, it's roughly the way things are actually done. |
| 01:10.58 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, I've never looked into client/server crypto more than making a cert, so I didn't really know, ty. |
| 01:11.03 | mheath | bigdog_ut: I'm using existing standards, which (as sjansen just pointed out) is stadnard public/private key authentication |
| 01:11.17 | mheath | I'm just looking for a simple way to authenticate that a client is who they say they are |
| 01:11.22 | mheath | And I've figured out how to do that |
| 01:11.23 | mheath | Thanks :) |
| 01:12.42 | mheath | My problem is that I'm authenticating for access to Java RMI objects |
| 01:12.53 | mheath | The connection with a particular user isn't really persistant |
| 01:14.16 | bigdog_ut | why not just do rmi over ssh or ssl |
| 01:16.29 | bigdog_ut | then you can create your own custom socket factories that implement rmi over ssl |
| 01:17.07 | bigdog_ut | or you could do rmi with policy file or jaas too |
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| 02:46.03 | findlay | hello |
| 02:46.12 | goozbach | again I've been larted and don't know why |
| 02:46.16 | goozbach | howdy findlay |
| 02:56.26 | goozbach | see what happens if I ignore IRC? |
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| 02:56.47 | goozbach | my idlerpg nick gets kicked and I lose 7 days and a level |
| 02:56.52 | goozbach | bah |
| 03:00.31 | mrpull | goozbach: you lost a level? |
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| 03:28.12 | goozbach | well, not 'lost' it's just that I'd have had it by now |
| 03:28.28 | mrpull | ahh... |
| 03:28.37 | tensai | so, do I eat all my ciabatta bread now or save some till later? |
| 03:28.46 | mrpull | curse you anyway for introducing idlerpg to me anyway :) |
| 03:29.04 | mrpull | i was incredibly bored the other day and tried it. |
| 03:29.12 | mrpull | now I'm always looking at stats |
| 03:37.01 | findlay | girls are wierd |
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| 03:39.45 | sjansen | tensai: you send it to me |
| 03:40.24 | tensai | oh, well. I guess if I can't decide and nobody want it then I'll just chuck it in the trash. |
| 03:40.36 | tensai | it's a shame though. the first loaf was delicious. |
| 03:40.59 | findlay | I'm hungry, I'll eat it |
| 03:43.03 | xbmodder | Is there anything to terminate a cell phone into telephone line? |
| 03:43.11 | xbmodder | So I can use my answering machine with it |
| 03:43.47 | goozbach | xbmodder: that's what voicemail is for |
| 03:44.16 | goozbach | who uses answering machines anymore? |
| 03:44.50 | goozbach | and there are VERY FEW cell phone plans which don't come with voicemail. |
| 03:44.55 | xbmodder | its a really cool answering machine |
| 03:45.00 | xbmodder | it has 100 voicmail boxes. |
| 03:45.16 | goozbach | get a land line |
| 03:45.19 | xbmodder | and it can use it to dial-in |
| 03:45.31 | xbmodder | goozbach, is there any way I can do it this way? |
| 03:45.33 | goozbach | or a VOIP setup to POTS |
| 03:45.47 | goozbach | I'd imagine there's some way |
| 03:45.53 | goozbach | nothing pretty however |
| 03:46.26 | xbmodder | Is there anyway to connect a landline wire to a cell phone and use it as a landline |
| 03:46.45 | goozbach | not that I'm aware of |
| 03:47.24 | sjansen | I heard of a phone that supported both cell and 802.11b VOIP. I think Motorola makes it. |
| 03:47.45 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Mendelssohn |
| 03:47.53 | findlay | the 4th symphony should do |
| 03:49.22 | goozbach | sjansen: you're bringing me lunch tomorrow? |
| 03:49.25 | goozbach | thanks! |
| 03:52.49 | xbmodder | any mad programmers that can make a program for a cheap cell phone that will somehow emulate a landline |
| 03:54.52 | RyanE | xbmodder: jsmith probably knows something along those lines. He mentioned in his Asterisk presentation that one of the devs allowed use on his cell for anyone for a while when he was disgusted with his cell provider. |
| 03:55.08 | jsmith | xbmodder: Google for "cell socket" |
| 03:55.32 | RyanE | woo hoo! I summoned jsmith! |
| 03:56.00 | goozbach | RyanE: now try to get him back in his puzzle box... |
| 03:56.02 | jsmith | Yeah, I'm busy doing battle w/ a stupid telephony adapter, and only pop in here when my name is called :-) |
| 03:56.25 | RyanE | jsmith: which stupid telephony adapter? |
| 03:56.43 | jsmith | RyanE: Sipura 2002 |
| 03:58.07 | RyanE | jsmith: yeah, I have a couple of the linksys / Vonage versions, but haven't hooked 'em up to Asterisk yet. |
| 04:00.21 | xbmodder | jsmith, his site seems to be broken |
| 04:00.30 | xbmodder | jsmith, i like sipura 2002 |
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| 04:00.47 | jsmith | xbmodder: Which site is broken? |
| 04:01.02 | xbmodder | none, lol |
| 04:03.59 | xbmodder | jsmith, cell socket's site seems to be broken. do you know how much they cost? |
| 04:04.35 | jsmith | xbmodder: Not cheap, and only work with certain phones. |
| 04:04.53 | xbmodder | how hard would it be to wire up a phone to do that |
| 04:05.27 | jsmith | xbmodder: A cell phone -- well, I guess it could be done over bluetooth with a little creativity (and a couple months worth of time) |
| 04:06.49 | xbmodder | :( |
| 04:06.54 | xbmodder | months I have days |
| 04:10.26 | jsmith | What exactly are you trying to accomplish -- just hook your cell phone to a device expecting a regular phone line? |
| 04:11.27 | xbmodder | yeahj |
| 04:11.29 | xbmodder | kinda. |
| 04:12.02 | xbmodder | well hook it up to asterisk and implement a ring-backish system |
| 04:12.32 | jsmith | What do you mean by "ring-backish"? |
| 04:15.23 | Supaplex | call them back by queue order so they're not on hold? |
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| 05:52.57 | xbmodder | Does anyone know of any banks which offers accounts to minors? |
| 05:54.25 | RyanE | never seen one that will open it without the parent also being present and a co-account-accessor. |
| 05:54.53 | RyanE | of course, I've never tried, either, since I haven't been a minor in a Looong time. :) |
| 06:02.41 | levi | I don't think an account can be legally opened without a guardian being present. It requires a contract, and minors can't be legally bound to contracts, IIRC. |
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| 07:31.40 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks. |
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| 14:40.40 | maquis | hans: yeah |
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| 15:11.29 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:30.00 | maquis | levi: morning |
| 15:30.15 | levi | maquis: How's it going? |
| 15:30.30 | maquis | levi: ummm... depends on what "it" is... :) |
| 15:32.31 | maquis | but n other news, i got a 79 on my cs330 test.... |
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| 15:41.54 | vontrapp | ok, what are some good laptop repairers that would really know what they're doing as far as circuitry diagnosis? |
| 15:42.11 | vontrapp | specifically the battery power circuit |
| 15:44.36 | maquis | vontrapp: don't know about that, but JCTronix does IBM warranty repair, and they seem moderately clueful |
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| 15:50.15 | vontrapp | maquis: is that in provo? |
| 15:50.50 | maquis | vontrapp: yup |
| 15:51.07 | maquis | it's also called bridge electronics |
| 15:51.07 | maquis | that's what the sign at their offices says |
| 15:51.10 | maquis | they're at 480N and freedom |
| 15:51.58 | maquis | they fixed osiris this week |
| 15:52.04 | vontrapp | it's an 'ABS' computer, ordered off internet from california |
| 15:52.24 | vontrapp | the battery doesn't hold charge even when the laptop is off |
| 15:52.51 | vontrapp | has to charge for a little while when plugged in before it will even power up with the battery in |
| 15:53.05 | maquis | vontrapp: my guess is that you need a new battery? |
| 15:53.10 | vontrapp | does this sound familiar to anyone |
| 15:53.14 | vontrapp | new battery |
| 15:53.31 | maquis | it is a new battery? |
| 15:53.31 | maquis | hmmm |
| 15:53.33 | maquis | that's bad |
| 15:53.34 | synic | that happens to me. |
| 15:53.53 | vontrapp | don't trip |
| 15:53.57 | synic | it takes a few days for it to totally drain, though |
| 15:54.31 | vontrapp | i didn't ask how long, but it sounded like it was more on the order of within a day |
| 15:58.01 | vontrapp | any other service recommendations? |
| 15:58.38 | vontrapp | this is my aunt that lives in kamus, so salt lake or provo |
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| 17:19.34 | maquis | yay! i got an ip address! |
| 17:20.43 | graphyx | maquis: If you set up your own dhcp server you can get 256 of them easily. |
| 17:21.04 | Jayce^ | 256, heck, why not go bigger :) |
| 17:21.07 | jsmith | graphyx: Just 256? |
| 17:21.21 | jsmith | Yeah, and don't forget dhcpv6 |
| 17:21.48 | graphyx | 256 is usually the default. |
| 17:21.58 | graphyx | If they wanted to really go to town IPv6 is the way to go. |
| 17:22.04 | jsmith | I didn't know there was a default... |
| 17:22.34 | jsmith | I guess that's the default *IF* you're on a class-C network and handing out IPs for the whole class-C |
| 17:23.40 | graphyx | yeah.. |
| 17:23.47 | maquis | graphyx: yes, but that won't help me with the on-campus wireless |
| 17:23.48 | graphyx | like the home based SOHO routers. |
| 17:25.20 | jsmith | graphyx: I thought they usually defaulted to like 192.168.1.50 through 192.168.1.200 |
| 17:27.11 | graphyx | jsmith: You are probably right. |
| 17:27.16 | graphyx | It was just a quick quip. |
| 17:28.02 | jsmith | It made sense once you mentioned cheap throw-away SOHO routers... |
| 17:28.22 | jsmith | maquis: Or too tired to care about work... |
| 17:28.31 | maquis | jsmith: i guess that's possible |
| 17:28.41 | maquis | so... do any of you want to help me with my cs330 project? |
| 17:28.49 | jsmith | What's the project? |
| 17:28.51 | maquis | ~invoke levi |
| 17:29.09 | maquis | jsmith: using scheme, implement type-checking in an interpreter |
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| 17:43.27 | mheath | My problem is, I'm trying to authenticate a user using a public+private key pair |
| 17:43.40 | mheath | IE, make it so the server is sure of who they're communicating with |
| 17:44.12 | mheath | I don't want to use passwords or usernames, because a client could (somewhat unknowingly) be skipping from network to network, and I don't want it sharing private information like that on a potentially untrusted network |
| 17:44.42 | mheath | After the client authenticates themselves to the server, I'm not interested in encrpytion; that would be handled at higher levels, when needed |
| 17:45.20 | mheath | However, I am interested in a means of continuing authentication. The protocol that I'm authenticating for communication on doesn't have persistant connections |
| 17:45.51 | mheath | How could I assure that I'm still communicating with who I was in the first place, without having to do the entire authentication procedure with every transaction? |
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| 17:46.11 | maquis | mheath: if you keep passing everything encrypted, then you know that it's the same person, because then they can still decrypt... |
| 17:46.53 | jsmith | mheath: In short, usually the public+private key stuff is used to share a symetrical (can't spell today) key, which is use to encrypt the remaining traffic |
| 17:47.10 | mheath | maquis: Well, thats the problem. I'm not really interested in continuing encryption |
| 17:47.25 | maquis | mheath: then, come up with a different way to do it |
| 17:47.49 | mheath | Some higher-up stuff might use it where needed; all I'm really looking for, though, with this public-private key combinations is a nice way of authentication without sensitive usernames+passwords |
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| 17:48.01 | mheath | maquis: Well, thats what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 17:48.30 | elg | sweet, they're looking for a grad student to teach the basic non-major java course |
| 17:49.13 | mheath | Would it be a Bad Thing(tm) for me use a cache? |
| 17:49.25 | maquis | use a cache in what way? |
| 17:49.45 | mheath | IE, the client continues to send their public key with every transaction, and the server assumes that the communication is valid and with who they say they are for a set period after the authenticatiion? |
| 17:51.36 | jsmith | mheath: You're sending the public key on every transaction? |
| 17:52.07 | mheath | jsmith: well, a fingerprint at least |
| 17:53.03 | mheath | jsmith: because as I said, java RMI connections (what I'm working with) are non-persistant |
| 17:53.12 | mheath | The server has to have some idea who it's talking to :) |
| 17:59.17 | mheath | No one has a solution :( |
| 18:07.30 | RyanE | mheath: the web uses cookies and / or session id's for this, but they're not much good if the connection isn't encrypted end-to-end. |
| 18:07.59 | RyanE | ie, if someone can read your sessionID or cookie, they're *you*... |
| 18:09.03 | mheath | Exactly |
| 18:09.04 | levi | mheath: Have you read the Kerberos design Dialogue in Four Scenes? |
| 18:09.08 | goozbach | brave brave sir jenkins |
| 18:09.23 | mheath | levi: nope, I haven't. |
| 18:09.31 | levi | mheath: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/www/dialogue.html |
| 18:09.33 | goozbach | sir leeroy he was brave |
| 18:09.34 | brac | [Designing an Authentication System: a Dialogue in Four Scenes] |
| 18:09.42 | levi | It may help you in thinking about how to do it. |
| 18:09.47 | levi | And potential pitfalls. |
| 18:10.04 | levi | Plus, it's rather entertaining. |
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| 18:20.22 | maquis | ~lart scheme |
| 18:20.37 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 18:21.00 | maquis | goozbach: huh? |
| 18:21.10 | maquis | i don't get your sir jenkins/sir leeroy thing |
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| 18:24.31 | goozbach | leeroy jenkins!!! |
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| 18:41.36 | maquis | ~fungicide |
| 18:41.37 | ibot | ACTION pounces on fungus with a bottle of chlorodinitronaphthalene |
| 19:02.22 | mheath | Wow, Jini seems to do very close to what I need =\ |
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| 19:04.26 | levi | If I were to design a secure distributed project that had to run on a JVM, I would probably use E, from erights.org |
| 19:06.36 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 19:30.38 | Vale | ~lart maquis |
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| 19:39.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Can anyone here tell me how to diff two files, modify the diff, then use it to patch some other files? I've got this page I made, then I made two others based on it with small changes. Now I'm modifying the original and I want to apply the changes without nuking the originality of the other two. |
| 19:42.35 | levi | If you do a context diff and the context of the diff remains the same between all the files, the patch should still apply. |
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| 19:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | how do I apply a patch to a file? |
| 19:49.20 | Lone_Wanderer | patch <patchfile name> <file to be patched> ? |
| 19:53.57 | levi | See 'man patch' |
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| 20:18.57 | goozbach | hadn't read this in a while: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 20:21.39 | brac | [How To Ask Questions The Smart Way] |
| 20:28.56 | levi | elg: Whatever are you doing that for? |
| 20:29.13 | elg | homework |
| 20:29.24 | levi | Ahh. And it has to be in C? |
| 20:30.01 | elg | can be C++ if we make use of OO features (i.e. not just C with cout/cin) |
| 20:30.07 | elg | but there's no need for that |
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| 20:30.28 | elg | the project is to write a simple distributed shared memory implementation |
| 20:32.20 | levi | Well, C++ templates are more or less orthogonal to OO, and they're not in C. |
| 20:32.53 | elg | i'm not sure if using the STL counts as "taking advantage of OO" |
| 20:33.01 | elg | i'm certainly not writing any templates though. :) |
| 20:33.07 | elg | a linked list should do here though. |
| 20:33.08 | levi | Templates are easy to write. |
| 20:33.23 | levi | And using the STL certainly would involve taking advantage of OO. |
| 20:33.58 | elg | it's ok, haven't done any straight C in awhile, I'm almost looking forward to it. |
| 20:34.12 | levi | The nice thing about templates is that you can write linked list code and use it for more than one type without resorting to casting things to void *. |
| 20:34.35 | levi | Casting to void * is evil, and C makes you do it or copy/paste a lot of code. |
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| 20:34.58 | elg | debugging compile problems with the STL is almost more work than just writing a linked list from scratch. |
| 20:36.15 | levi | Sure, but if you're going to put more than one type of data in your linked list, it's nice to template it rather than taking void pointers for data. |
| 20:36.29 | elg | sure. but I'm not |
| 20:36.41 | elg | I'm in write it to throw it away after the grade mode |
| 20:37.05 | elg | which, btw, I believe is a real-world skill. |
| 20:37.19 | elg | except in the real world you don't get grades, just needs that come and go |
| 20:37.51 | elg | there's a time for writing good extensible code (and it's more than most people do), but there's also times for writing ok code fast |
| 20:38.01 | levi | Indeed. |
| 20:38.07 | elg | and there's times for standing up to get a pencil and something to write on, which is what I'm avoiding at this moment. |
| 20:40.26 | levi | I'm just saying, C++ has some bits that make it superior to C for writing good code in a lot of cases, and not all of those cases relate to OO. |
| 20:42.24 | elg | yeah, I agree with that |
| 20:42.40 | elg | more ways to shoot yourself in the foot, too. anyway, this prof likes C more than C++ in a pretty obvious way. |
| 20:43.59 | elg | or maybe I'm just projecting sjansen on him |
| 20:44.13 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:45.13 | levi | There are plenty of reasons to hate C++, but I have about as many to hate C. |
| 20:46.30 | elg | i have a love/hate ulcer with the STL that I prefer to avoid |
| 20:47.02 | levi | Computer languages are a vast sea of suckage, with a few dimly lit buoys around to give faint hope to the poor souls who must navigate it. |
| 20:48.24 | levi | STL is an amazingly cool hack, but it's got serious rough edge issues. |
| 20:50.39 | elg | and then there's iterators |
| 20:51.03 | levi | Did you see my 'Iterators a Sign of Weakness' blog entry? |
| 20:52.01 | elg | hmm, maybe |
| 20:53.06 | levi | http://www.lifeoflevi.com/blog/archive/2005/05/iterators_a_sign_of_weakness |
| 20:53.34 | levi | The referenced essay was written by Henry Baker. |
| 20:53.43 | levi | A smart guy who is now filthy rich. |
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| 20:55.19 | roscivs-l | Is there a nice way to download all of the Java API javadocs? Preferably a tarball or zip somewhere? |
| 20:55.33 | roscivs-l | I'd really rather not wget -r http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/index.html |
| 20:55.34 | brac | [Java 2 Platform SE 5.0] |
| 20:55.47 | levi | roscivs-l: Yes, Sun has a zip or tarball available on their site. |
| 20:59.21 | roscivs-l | levi: Any idea where it would be? Google has been entirely unhelpful. |
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| 21:06.45 | levi | roscivs-l: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp |
| 21:06.48 | Newsome | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.html#docs |
| 21:07.07 | Newsome | (which redirects to levi's link) |
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| 21:16.57 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 21:17.01 | xbmodder_ | sup all |
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| 21:22.53 | xbmodder-school | I HATE JAVA! |
| 21:22.57 | xbmodder-school | I HATE GUIs! |
| 21:26.43 | levi | I HATE XBMODDERS! ;) |
| 21:29.16 | mrpull- | i love caps |
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| 21:36.16 | goozbach | I love lamp |
| 21:36.21 | goozbach | I love carpet |
| 21:36.26 | graphy1 | How does that "NORMAL trick with in VI again? |
| 21:36.47 | elg | whoa, slow down |
| 21:36.48 | elg | try again |
| 21:38.11 | Graphyx_home | nvm got it. |
| 21:40.16 | xbmodder-school | normal trick |
| 21:40.23 | xbmodder-school | you can make vi normal |
| 21:40.36 | xbmodder-school | levi: is that the truth.. you are depressing ;-) |
| 21:40.40 | xbmodder-school | ~lart levi |
| 21:42.00 | levi | I am the destroyer of hope, bringer of ill tidings. Small children scream uncontrollably when I enter the room. Furry woodland creatures flee from my presence. |
| 21:42.27 | xbmodder-school | wtf. |
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| 21:43.21 | levi | See, I'm so bad I drove Peaceful away. |
| 21:45.36 | xbmodder-school | maybe you need a appointment with homeland security? |
| 21:46.40 | RyanE | or some better breath mints. |
| 21:46.55 | levi | Yeah, that's a good idea. I never liked them anyway. Unfortunately, there's no bridge handy for them to jump off of afterward. |
| 21:52.47 | xbmodder-school | lmao |
| 21:52.52 | xbmodder-school | ~addquote |
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| 22:03.34 | xbmodder_ | jsmith: can you give me an asterisk book (one that you like preferably written by you) |
| 22:03.38 | xbmodder_ | and signed |
| 22:03.38 | xbmodder_ | i pay |
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| 22:50.26 | elg | i tell you waht, socket programming in C is way too much fun. |
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| 22:56.46 | jsmith | xbmodder: Sure... |
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| 23:21.39 | elg | in a C switch statement can you have more than one case with the same value? |
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| 23:29.17 | xbmodder_lappy | ~java |
| 23:29.18 | ibot | hmm... java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" ... |
| 23:29.26 | maquis | elg: how would you distinguish between them? |
| 23:29.40 | maquis | elg: or am i misunderstanding what you want to do? |
| 23:30.24 | elg | i decided it was a Way Bad IdeaTM |
| 23:39.06 | elg | that was quick |
| 23:39.26 | mheath | 30 Composite |
| 23:39.34 | mheath | Didn't do as well I was hoping =\ |
| 23:39.53 | elg | well that's not bad |
| 23:40.17 | mheath | Oddly enough, Math and Science were my worst two sections, each at 28 |
| 23:40.21 | elg | I got an 18 in math. :) because I had gone through trig by 9th grade and hadn't really touched math since |
| 23:40.48 | elg | my brother, who ate calculus for breakfast, got a 32 in math |
| 23:40.58 | xbmodder_lappy | how does the magic library work for python |
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| 23:41.12 | elg | it's still out of 36 right |
| 23:41.17 | mheath | Yeah |
| 23:41.22 | mheath | 30 / 36 was my score |
| 23:41.29 | elg | what bozo came up with 36 I wonder |
| 23:41.40 | mheath | In the top 3% of all the test takers, though |
| 23:41.45 | mheath | (I am, that is) |
| 23:42.04 | mheath | elg: Good question. They have all these complex charts and method of calculations |
| 23:42.22 | flyboy^ | They want to make it complex enough so that no one can understand it. Kinda like taxes. |
| 23:42.29 | mheath | None of the scores are a simple percentage or number correct; they're all these weird calculations based on multiple inputs and such |
| 23:42.57 | elg | flyboy^: I think in both cases it's telltale signs of adhocity |
| 23:43.11 | maquis | elg: i've alwayas wondered why the SATs are on a 200-1600 range |
| 23:43.23 | Newsome | 100-800 per test |
| 23:43.35 | elg | yeah, that's even stupider |
| 23:43.39 | Newsome | GRE had 3 100-800 tests (when I took it, at least) |
| 23:44.10 | Newsome | you show up and put your name on it, you get a score. Not sure why it's not 0, but whatever |
| 23:44.17 | maquis | :) |
| 23:44.17 | mheath | Meh, I'm getting too depressed. I've decided that I need to spend less time infront of my computer |
| 23:44.30 | mheath | More time being more active, being outside, doing other things =\ |
| 23:44.42 | maquis | the only thing i could think of for why it wasn't starting at 0 is the fact that wrong answers decrease your score |
| 23:44.47 | Newsome | I think ACT only went to 34 back when I ended up taking it |
| 23:44.55 | maquis | so, i guess it's to prevent people from getting negative scores or something |
| 23:45.35 | maquis | ~invoke levi |
| 23:46.16 | mheath | 30...I was hoping for more like a 32 =\ |
| 23:46.37 | xbmodder_lappy | whats the point of the ROKR my treo can do 10x as much |
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| 23:47.05 | mheath | Wow, gmail has some problems |
| 23:47.15 | mheath | Theres a test message that I sent to myself a while back |
| 23:47.26 | mheath | And GMAIL refuses to let POP clients download it |
| 23:47.36 | mheath | It shows up in my inbox when I use the gmail interface, as unread |
| 23:47.50 | mheath | Yet Thunderbird (or any other client, for that matter) have never downloaded it |
| 23:48.00 | xbmodder_lappy | thats odd |
| 23:48.09 | xbmodder_lappy | i like their interface though |