| 00:00.52 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 00:10.40 | SpecialZ | ~fish maquis |
| 00:10.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps maquis around with a large trout |
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| 00:16.48 | levi | mheath: Actually, your resources will probably be similar to those on WinCE devices. |
| 00:17.46 | levi | Unfortunately, Swing is a rather resource-intensive GUI toolkit. |
| 00:21.23 | levi | mheath: This is probably too heavyweight for your implementation, but it may have some relevant information: http://research.sun.com/ics/kansas.html |
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| 00:23.35 | levi | mheath: And here's a similar thing implemented in Squeak: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/1356 |
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| 00:41.10 | mheath | Unrelated question... |
| 00:41.19 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a 3D Fleet Control game? |
| 00:41.25 | mheath | Kinda like Homeworld |
| 00:41.36 | mheath | but open source |
| 00:44.26 | levi | mheath: http://java.sun.com/features/2002/08/droplets.html |
| 00:44.48 | levi | mheath: Droplets aren't open source, but they seem to do what you want. |
| 00:45.40 | levi | mheath: How about Homeworld? The engine was open-sourced. http://www.relic.com/rdn/ |
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| 00:50.27 | lars-ut | *point man on new |
| 00:50.27 | levi | The Linux porting effort seems to have stagnated, though. |
| 00:50.35 | lars-ut | oops |
| 00:50.41 | mheath | levi: I'm just looking for a game to play |
| 00:50.47 | mheath | I'm not looking for an open source engine to work with |
| 00:52.50 | levi | I don't think there is a Homeworld-alike in the open source game realm. |
| 00:55.50 | Josh_F | does anyone know how to make links (as in not lynx) auto suggest the filename when downloading a file? |
| 00:59.53 | sjansen | Use the source, Luke. ;-) |
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| 01:45.51 | sjansen | ~lart cups |
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| 02:11.00 | xbmodder-work | CRAPPY WINDOWS APPLICATION! |
| 02:11.10 | xbmodder-work | Is there Strace for windows? |
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| 02:38.43 | tensai | ~seen maquis |
| 02:38.46 | ibot | maquis <n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 37m 54s ago, saying: '~lart SpecialZ '. |
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| 02:45.33 | tensai | maquis: sorry. power cycled the router (not exactly on purpose) and discovered that I had forgotten to write the config to nvram. |
| 02:48.59 | maquis | tensai: ah... just barely noticed |
| 02:49.03 | maquis | not a problem :) |
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| 03:30.32 | levi | Quiet here tonight. |
| 03:32.38 | RyanE | friday nights. people go out. it's called 'dating'. |
| 03:33.01 | RyanE | or so I hear. :) |
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| 03:57.33 | levi | Well, I will be going out with my wife in just a little while. |
| 04:07.15 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 04:18.00 | maquis | RyanE: what is it? |
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| 04:29.52 | xbmodder_lappy | Newsome, hey |
| 04:29.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, hey |
| 04:30.08 | xbmodder_lappy | Newsome, you were looking for a sysadmin job |
| 04:30.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hey |
| 04:30.13 | xbmodder_lappy | are you ok with relocating |
| 04:30.19 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 04:30.32 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, did you get to play with it on Mac OS X |
| 04:30.35 | Newsome | chowned? or chmodded? |
| 04:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | lol point taken |
| 04:30.52 | ScytheBlade1 | chmodded |
| 04:31.49 | xbmodder_lappy | Newsome, you were looking for a sysadmin job, right? |
| 04:33.18 | Newsome | yeah, I'm okay with relocating. Depends on the place, though |
| 04:33.52 | xbmodder_lappy | and ~wage |
| 04:33.59 | Newsome | of course :) |
| 04:34.41 | xbmodder_lappy | .. |
| 04:36.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Newsome, you got an e-mail address? |
| 04:36.03 | Newsome | flew to Chicago for an interview all day Monday, but haven't heard back yet |
| 04:36.15 | Newsome | yeah, frank at tuxrocks dot com |
| 04:38.16 | Newsome | thanks. I'll take a look |
| 04:38.24 | xbmodder_lappy | np |
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| 05:19.54 | mheath | levi: I thought you mind be interested in knowing that I'm extending my earlier remote-GUI idea |
| 05:20.10 | mheath | to a full API for distributed desktop applications |
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| 05:22.06 | mheath | Meh, I can't wait for the Ender's Game movie (next year?) |
| 05:22.24 | mheath | I'm convinced it will breath a breath of fresh air into the sci-fi movie world |
| 05:24.25 | mheath | levi: I plan to create a com.ddai.toolkit package as well as a other classes and packages |
| 05:24.52 | mheath | Allowing the full distribution of desktop resources onto as many machines as you want |
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| 06:04.39 | RyanE | clear |
| 06:04.43 | RyanE | hehe |
| 06:04.54 | xbmodder_lappy | lo |
| 06:06.20 | sjansen | o/~ Whistling, whistling, whistling in the dark. ~/o |
| 06:12.32 | mheath | I was wondering if anyone had any experiences with nameserver/registry services similar to whats provided by RMI |
| 06:12.37 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.54 | maquis | TimRiker: sup? |
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| 06:59.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, did you get circe on mac os X |
| 06:59.09 | xbmodder_lappy | fishyfire, hey |
| 06:59.10 | xbmodder_lappy | TimRiker, hey |
| 06:59.14 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 06:59.16 | fishyfire | hey |
| 06:59.25 | ScytheBlade1 | though, I should have 10.4 on that box within 10 days or so |
| 06:59.37 | Tene | rendering template files in a browser is cool |
| 06:59.40 | xbmodder_lappy | your buying one? |
| 06:59.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, so it breaks? |
| 07:00.10 | ScytheBlade1 | no no |
| 07:00.18 | ScytheBlade1 | At school, I requested 10.4 again |
| 07:00.26 | ScytheBlade1 | This time, it went through |
| 07:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So in 10 days I'll be able to test (xcode and whatnot doesn't support 10.2) |
| 07:00.39 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 07:00.41 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
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| 07:10.05 | findlay | sjansen is always whistling |
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| 07:11.42 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 07:11.44 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all? |
| 07:12.19 | findlay | ~lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 07:12.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~rlart findlay |
| 07:12.37 | xbmodder_lappy | ~blart findlay |
| 07:12.43 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart findlay |
| 07:12.44 | maquis | ~bart findlay |
| 07:12.46 | ibot | ACTION forces findlay to eat her shorts |
| 07:12.53 | maquis | is ibot all fixed? |
| 07:13.00 | findlay | ~lart !findlay |
| 07:13.09 | maquis | rlart |
| 07:13.11 | maquis | er |
| 07:13.14 | maquis | ~rlart |
| 07:13.24 | maquis | ouch |
| 07:13.27 | maquis | poor Mecworks |
| 07:13.38 | fishyfire | ~rlart |
| 07:13.54 | sjansen | There’s only one thing that I know how to do well |
| 07:13.54 | sjansen | And I’ve often been told that you only can do |
| 07:13.54 | sjansen | What you know how to do well |
| 07:13.54 | sjansen | And that’s be you, |
| 07:13.54 | sjansen | Be what you’re like, |
| 07:13.55 | sjansen | Be like yourself, |
| 07:13.57 | sjansen | And so I’m having a wonderful time |
| 07:13.59 | sjansen | But I’d rather be whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.01 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.07 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.09 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.11 | sjansen | Whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.13 | sjansen | There’s only one thing that I like |
| 07:14.15 | sjansen | And that is whistling in the dark |
| 07:14.17 | findlay | ibot: what time is it? |
| 07:14.20 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 07:14.26 | maquis | ~time |
| 07:14.28 | ibot | it has been said that time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2005.11.12 |
| 07:14.28 | sjansen | ~date |
| 07:14.29 | ibot | It is now 2005.11.12 7:14:29 GMT |
| 07:14.39 | maquis | hmm |
| 07:14.46 | maquis | why does time give the date and date gives the time? |
| 07:14.55 | findlay | time for dates? |
| 07:15.16 | Newsome | ~location in the universe |
| 07:15.26 | maquis | ~where |
| 07:15.28 | ibot | who? |
| 07:15.35 | maquis | ~who |
| 07:16.02 | fishyfire | ~how |
| 07:16.06 | maquis | ibot: when i ask who, i don't want you to message me with useless info |
| 07:16.17 | maquis | ~why |
| 07:16.19 | ibot | Because! |
| 07:16.19 | Newsome | ibot: ~who is first base |
| 07:16.20 | ibot | Newsome: okay |
| 07:16.21 | findlay | maquis: 'man date' |
| 07:16.21 | findlay | heh |
| 07:16.21 | findlay | ~wiki date |
| 07:16.21 | findlay | why? |
| 07:16.37 | maquis | ~man ibot |
| 07:16.47 | maquis | ~man |
| 07:16.48 | ibot | man is, like, Displays the manual page for that given command or resource (that is, any system utility that isn't a command, such as a library function. Syntax: man (command). Where command is the name of the command or resource to get help on. Example: man ls gives help on the ls command. |
| 07:16.48 | sjansen | no, ibot is a female |
| 07:16.55 | maquis | ~gender |
| 07:16.57 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 07:16.59 | findlay | ~lart oct alot |
| 07:17.32 | maquis | ~whaleslap ibot |
| 07:17.34 | ibot | I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap ibot over the head with it..... |
| 07:17.34 | Newsome | so, does anyone want to hear my OIT story of the day? |
| 07:17.41 | sjansen | ~laugh at all the poor college students that are still awake |
| 07:17.43 | ibot | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! all the poor college students that are still awake just cracks me up! |
| 07:17.52 | maquis | ~mock sjansen |
| 07:17.53 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 07:17.56 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:18.01 | findlay | ~lart oct for b0rking the router |
| 07:18.03 | maquis | sjansen: what are you doing still up? |
| 07:18.28 | maquis | storytime????? |
| 07:18.32 | xbmodder_lappy | yay |
| 07:18.33 | maquis | who's telling the story? |
| 07:18.35 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, |
| 07:18.45 | xbmodder_lappy | hes old -- old people tell stories |
| 07:19.09 | Newsome | So, we've been getting lots of complaints about network to off-campus. Connections just dying, and disappearing for 15 minutes or more. Stuff like that. |
| 07:19.47 | maquis | Newsome: sounds about right :) |
| 07:19.48 | findlay | this is going to be good |
| 07:20.06 | maquis | Newsome: continue? |
| 07:20.09 | Newsome | I was able to figure out that the problem occurs whenever you open up a bunch (not yet determined) of connections at approximately the same time |
| 07:20.51 | Newsome | Something at BYU's gateway just completely blocks the IP address for anywhere from 15 minutes to 2 hours |
| 07:21.03 | maquis | yipes! |
| 07:21.22 | sjansen | sounds like someone's decided to be too smart for their own good |
| 07:21.32 | Newsome | we called up OIT yesterday, and asked if we could come over and talk to them about it |
| 07:22.09 | maquis | mmm hmmm |
| 07:22.11 | maquis | and... |
| 07:22.17 | Newsome | They thought it must be a problem on our end, but agreed to meet with us this morning. We explained what was happening... |
| 07:22.22 | sjansen | "I'm sorry, we don't support that. You'll have to use the Internet slower." |
| 07:23.09 | Newsome | complete with detailed instructions on how to reproduce the problem submitted by one student |
| 07:23.25 | Newsome | they puzzled it over for a few minutes, then figured out it must be something with the IPS |
| 07:23.34 | maquis | IPS? |
| 07:23.41 | Newsome | Intrusion Prevention System |
| 07:23.45 | maquis | ah |
| 07:24.01 | sjansen | "Have you tried counting to ten before clicking on links? ... What do you mean you use the Internet for more than Web access? What else is there?" |
| 07:24.18 | Newsome | it's supposed to detect when someone does something outside the norm |
| 07:25.13 | Newsome | anyway, I was able to replicate the issue by completely blocking both my on-campus computer (obelix) from the outside world, and tuxrocks from all of BYU. |
| 07:25.48 | maquis | Newsome: by replicating what the student had done on each of those? |
| 07:25.54 | Newsome | from on-campus, all I needed to do was "mtr <some host>" and within 10 seconds, it had completely blocked all traffic |
| 07:26.33 | sjansen | Oo! DoS! |
| 07:26.34 | maquis | hmmm according to manpage, mtr == traceroute + ping |
| 07:27.04 | findlay | did they accuse you of hacking? (: |
| 07:27.08 | maquis | Newsome: wait... i can knock out a cs dept computer by ssh-ing in and running 'mtr google.com'? |
| 07:27.20 | sjansen | Or do you mean you knocked out tuxrocks from tuxrocks? |
| 07:27.36 | Newsome | from off-campus, I was blocked instantly by connecting in (through ssh) once to each of the labs (monsters, pizza, sports, etc.) |
| 07:27.38 | Newsome | yes, essentially |
| 07:27.40 | Newsome | maquis: it would likely knock out the lab, since the whole lab is masq'd at the firewall |
| 07:27.48 | maquis | Newsome: ouch! |
| 07:28.17 | findlay | so did they resolve it? |
| 07:28.18 | Newsome | from inside CS, doing a "mtr tuxrocks", my host (inside CS) got blocked |
| 07:29.07 | Newsome | it turns out that they had their system set such that it would detect an "attack" if it saw 6 connections within 2 seconds from a particular IP |
| 07:29.08 | maquis | Newsome: the thing from the outside is to prevent people from having more than 5 concurrent logins, right? |
| 07:29.11 | maquis | :) |
| 07:29.28 | maquis | 6 connections makes an attack? wow... |
| 07:29.34 | Newsome | then, it would keep the host blocked until the "attack" subsided |
| 07:29.49 | findlay | a 2 hour timeout (: |
| 07:29.56 | Newsome | yeah, 6 connections is now an attack |
| 07:30.20 | findlay | Newsome: did you hear about the ldap issue? |
| 07:30.33 | maquis | Newsome: does that definition of an attack stand in the honor code office? |
| 07:30.35 | sjansen | Newsome: You still haven't answered my question. Does that mean I can drive down to BYU tomorrow and knock out campus access to lds.org, yahoo.com, google.com and msn.com? |
| 07:30.42 | RyanE | no wonder I'm so tired. I've been 'attacking' websites all day. |
| 07:30.53 | Newsome | thing is...if your host is blocked, what is the first thing you do??? more connections, start a ping, etc. |
| 07:31.29 | maquis | pings connect more than 6 times in 2 seconds, right? |
| 07:32.37 | sjansen | Hmmm... I could at least spread havoc by spoofing wireless addresses and knocking out individual machines... |
| 07:32.38 | Newsome | sjansen: not exactly |
| 07:32.40 | Newsome | sjansen: from inside BYU, you could block your host from being able to access anything outside BYU |
| 07:32.41 | Newsome | sjansen: or from outside BYU, you could get your host blocked |
| 07:32.53 | Newsome | yes, you could definitely do that. |
| 07:33.07 | maquis | sjansen: doing what? |
| 07:33.12 | sjansen | Oh, some the convenience of my home I could spoof addresses and get them blocked? |
| 07:33.43 | sjansen | s/some/so from/ |
| 07:34.26 | findlay | sweet |
| 07:34.31 | findlay | mass hysteria |
| 07:34.41 | Newsome | you might be able to. Who knows |
| 07:34.41 | Newsome | somehow, I managed to convince them to up the rate to consider an "attack" |
| 07:34.43 | Newsome | I think it's an improvement, but not sure yet. |
| 07:34.59 | Newsome | findlay: yes, I saw the ldap issue both on UUG and on the CSR list (also got the spam myself) |
| 07:35.30 | maquis | Newsome: i had a bit of fun with ldap toda |
| 07:35.31 | maquis | y |
| 07:39.58 | Newsome | cool. Find any interesting information? |
| 07:44.14 | maquis | mainly the fact that you can tell it in route y not to show certain things, but it might still show it in ldap |
| 07:44.25 | maquis | and there are lots of things that it doesn't give you a chance to hide |
| 07:45.05 | sjansen | Really?! I thought we evaluated that a long time ago. The restrictions used to be pushed to LDAP also. |
| 07:45.36 | maquis | sjansen: michael moore told it to hide everything, and his email address was still coming up when we did an ldap query |
| 07:45.37 | sjansen | That worries me. Makes me wonder if restricted records are also available. That'd be bad. |
| 07:46.08 | maquis | and wondering whether the honor code office would consider the use of an open ldap server as hacking |
| 07:46.28 | sjansen | restricted == records of people BYU can't publically admit to knowing about |
| 07:47.01 | sjansen | Witness protection. Battered spouses. Etc. |
| 07:47.37 | Newsome | the pictures are all available, though you might not be able to put a name with the picture |
| 07:47.52 | xbmodder_lappy | Is that the space needle: http://www.eleventwentyone05.com/secret/128081116copy6ft.jpg |
| 07:48.44 | Newsome | looks like it |
| 07:48.52 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yup |
| 07:51.02 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
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| 07:53.30 | sjansen | ~hug rdoc |
| 07:53.32 | ibot | ACTION hugs rdoc |
| 07:53.33 | fishyfire | haha... so i am getting the email addresses from yahoo in my bulk mail with the other spam |
| 07:53.36 | sjansen | ~hug ruby |
| 07:53.37 | ibot | ACTION hugs ruby |
| 07:53.49 | findlay | ~eat ruby |
| 07:53.51 | ibot | ACTION eats ruby and falls over dead |
| 07:54.53 | sjansen | See what you get when you mess with Ruby? |
| 07:55.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ~hug spam |
| 07:55.06 | ibot | ACTION hugs spam |
| 07:55.20 | findlay | ~eat spam |
| 07:55.21 | ibot | ACTION eats spam and falls over dead |
| 07:57.40 | findlay | ~eat dead |
| 07:57.42 | ibot | ACTION eats dead and falls over dead |
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| 16:32.45 | graphyx | ~rlart |
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| 17:01.38 | brac | I'm baaaaaaaack |
| 17:01.50 | graphyx | ~say hello brac |
| 17:01.51 | ibot | hello brac |
| 17:01.52 | brac | ibot: hi! |
| 17:01.53 | ibot | hi |
| 17:01.54 | elg | http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/ |
| 17:02.28 | graphyx | Gotta make sure the bots are being friendly. |
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| 17:03.42 | elg | http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/ |
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| 17:04.30 | elg | http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/ |
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| 17:04.52 | elg | http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/ |
| 17:05.00 | elg | gah |
| 17:05.04 | elg | -quit |
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| 17:08.11 | elg | http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib/ |
| 17:08.12 | brac | [Ruby Standard Library Documentation] |
| 17:08.26 | maquis | -lart tests |
| 17:08.31 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/src/radp/radp-1.0.tar.gz |
| 17:08.47 | elg | ~hug brac |
| 17:08.48 | ibot | ACTION hugs brac |
| 17:08.54 | elg | -botsnac |
| 17:08.57 | elg | -botsnack |
| 17:08.57 | brac | elg: ta :) |
| 17:09.05 | elg | ta? what is that supposed to mean? |
| 17:09.17 | maquis | -botsnack |
| 17:09.18 | brac | maquis: =D |
| 17:09.27 | maquis | brac: take my test for me |
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| 17:10.02 | graphyx | -botsnack |
| 17:10.03 | brac | graphyx: ta :) |
| 17:10.09 | graphyx | ta :) |
| 17:10.12 | graphyx | hmm... |
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| 17:35.09 | mheath | Mmm, yah, the good fairy came and finished my emerge gentoo in the middle of the night :) |
| 17:35.15 | mheath | ~seen levi |
| 17:35.19 | ibot | levi <n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 13h 37m 46s ago, saying: 'Well, I will be going out with my wife in just a little while.'. |
| 17:37.04 | mheath | erm |
| 17:37.09 | mheath | emerge gnome on my gentoo box :) |
| 17:38.45 | synic | can anyone recommend a nice resteraunt between highland and the E center? |
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| 17:43.10 | graphyx | mheath: Wouldn't that be that the gentoo gnome came and finished it rather than the good fairy? |
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| 18:02.20 | vontrapp | does anyone know of a good program that will make a joystick work like a mouse? |
| 18:09.43 | mheath | vontrapp: X.org? :) |
| 18:10.08 | mheath | graphyx: good point |
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| 18:24.05 | mheath | levi_: ping |
| 18:24.21 | levi_ | mheath: pong |
| 18:24.38 | mheath | levi_: Since you seemed so eager to help, I thought I'd mention..... |
| 18:24.56 | mheath | I'm using CORBA to back the distributed desktop application toolkit I'm working on |
| 18:34.08 | vontrapp | mhe |
| 18:34.40 | vontrapp | mheath: if i just use it as a pointer in xorg.conf would i be able to turn it on and off? |
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| 18:56.42 | mheath | vontrapp: I don't think so |
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| 19:17.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 19:17.58 | xbmodder_lappy | sup all |
| 19:30.37 | tensai | vontrapp: I've got two mouses configured on my laptop. it takes input from both at the same time and combines them. |
| 19:31.00 | tensai | and if one is unplugged, it just ignores it until it gets plugged in |
| 19:34.51 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
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| 20:06.39 | goozbach | I think this is a new record for me. |
| 20:06.58 | goozbach | three days without even glancing at IRC |
| 20:14.06 | goozbach | fortune -m is cool |
| 20:17.51 | emcnabb | quote of the day: |
| 20:17.57 | emcnabb | "Your keyboard is your direct line of communication with your computer. It can affect your comfort, productivity, and even the quality or your work. That's why it is important to select a keyboard from the same manufacturer as your workstation or laptop." |
| 20:18.39 | spr | oh no! Mine's a diferent manufacturer! Oh no! My computer doesn't have a manufacturer! |
| 20:19.06 | emcnabb | your comfort, productivity, and quality of your work is decreasing spr |
| 20:19.14 | spr | I'm doomed! |
| 20:19.22 | sjansen | ~mock spr |
| 20:19.23 | ibot | ACTION pulls spr's pants down and shows the world spr's pink spotted underwear |
| 20:19.51 | sjansen | _My_ keyboard is from the manufacturer as my laptop. |
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| 20:20.08 | goozbach | mine too |
| 20:26.06 | mheath | I've decided to go with Gnome on my new desktop |
| 20:26.33 | mheath | I love Enlightenment DR17 more than anything, but the bottomline is that it isn't anywhere near as usable or complete as Gnome |
| 20:29.16 | elg | emcnabb: wow, who said that? |
| 20:29.32 | elg | that's usually why it's important to select a keyboard from a _different_ manufacturer :) |
| 20:29.42 | elg | one that, say, specializes in keyboars |
| 20:29.53 | elg | (laptops excluded) |
| 20:30.14 | emcnabb | http://www.hardware-corner.net/compaq/compaq_339805_161_keyboard/index.html |
| 20:30.16 | brac | [Compaq (339805-161) Keyboard : Hardware-Corner.net] |
| 20:30.56 | mheath | Wow |
| 20:31.25 | mheath | That looks like your typical generic keyboard made by <insert random chinese manufacturer>, thats been cheaply rebranded to <insert american corporation> |
| 20:31.36 | emcnabb | yup |
| 20:31.54 | emcnabb | that's the one I found for $7 at Goodwill |
| 20:32.06 | emcnabb | it's a nice keyboard, but not worth $25 |
| 20:32.09 | mheath | Haha :) |
| 20:32.40 | emcnabb | still in the box and everything |
| 20:32.40 | mheath | I've fallen in love with Eclipse |
| 20:32.52 | mheath | I don't think I could get along without it now =\ |
| 20:33.24 | emcnabb | if it only had good vim bindings... (last time I checked there was a plugin, but you had to pay for it) |
| 20:33.36 | emcnabb | it was OSS, until the developer changed the license |
| 20:33.56 | emcnabb | maybe it has changed since then |
| 20:34.24 | mheath | Meh, I don't see how vim bindings would be something that would even relate to eclipse, but then again I'm not a VIM user, so... |
| 20:34.54 | emcnabb | well, if I'm going to use the editor, I'd like to have the same keybindings I've become used to |
| 20:35.06 | emcnabb | so it does relate to Eclipse |
| 20:35.11 | mheath | Ah! OK, I get it |
| 20:35.23 | mheath | Sorry, I thought you were talking about a plugin for VIM that would make it work with Eclipse somehow |
| 20:35.30 | mheath | not a plugin for Eclipse that made it more vim-liek |
| 20:35.32 | mheath | *like |
| 20:35.40 | emcnabb | gotcha |
| 20:43.11 | mheath | Boots, ALICE pack, misc. stuff =\ |
| 21:07.19 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 21:07.22 | xbmodder_lappy | well not cool |
| 21:07.24 | xbmodder_lappy | but cool. |
| 21:10.37 | mheath | w00t, Eclipse just finished building :) |
| 21:10.56 | mheath | bbiab |
| 21:12.39 | tensai | sjansen: explain how uninstalling a rootkit is drm |
| 21:12.50 | tensai | sjansen: er, lemme try that again |
| 21:13.03 | tensai | sjansen: explain how uninstalling Sony's rootkit is against the law |
| 21:17.26 | JoshH | dmca? |
| 21:17.48 | JoshH | just a guess, im not sure if it's illegal or not, but i wouldn't be surprised these days |
| 21:18.44 | goozbach | sony's rootkit is a DRM software |
| 21:19.09 | goozbach | and the DMCA states that removing DRM software is against the law |
| 21:21.59 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath's dream: http://xbmodder.us/tmp/burning_circe.avi.torrent circe code being burned :) |
| 21:35.38 | sjansen | tensai: you answered your own question |
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| 21:43.12 | JoshH | it's just absurd that it's legal for a company to install a program on your computer without your knowledge, but if you find out about it and remove it, you are breaking the law. |
| 21:43.50 | goozbach | welcome to today |
| 22:04.02 | mheath | This is starting to get really annoying |
| 22:04.12 | mheath | I haven't been able to really get *started* on this project |
| 22:04.35 | mheath | Because every time I go to work on it, I think "Hey, to really do *this* right, I need to code this lower level component first" |
| 22:04.47 | mheath | Then, when I go to work on that lower level component, similar thoughts come up |
| 22:05.09 | mheath | I'm to the point where I'm working on something barely even related to my actual project, but necessary for me to feel I'm doing a good job |
| 22:08.05 | goozbach | cart/horse problem |
| 22:08.14 | goozbach | I'm feeling like that a bit now as well |
| 22:13.43 | elg | the yak problem |
| 22:14.02 | elg | i find that I'd rather be doing the low-level tools than the big project anyway, so it exacerbates itself |
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| 22:30.40 | tensai | sjansen: removing a copy protection device for the explicit purpose of gaining access to a protected work is illegal under the dmca |
| 22:30.43 | mheath | My problem is that I'd like to be doing both, yet don't have enough time :D |
| 22:31.10 | tensai | removing a copy protection device for any other purpose (e.g. it's a worthless rootkit) is fine |
| 22:32.06 | tensai | fighting a lawsuit to protect yourself against sony would not be fun in either case |
| 22:46.35 | JoshH | have you guys seen www.provo.org? |
| 22:47.02 | byronc | pretty impressive ascii art |
| 22:48.39 | roscivs | makes me proud to be a provoan |
| 22:49.11 | roscivs | googling for spykids.br yields quite a few other h4x0red pages |
| 22:49.13 | sjansen | wget -S http://www.provo.org/ --> Server: Apache/1.3.26 (UnitedLinux) mod_python/2.7.8 Python/2.2.1 PHP/4.3.8 mod_perl/1.27 |
| 22:49.25 | brac | [SPYKIDS OWNZ YOU] |
| 22:50.32 | roscivs | from the quick googling it appears that they typically break into php sites |
| 23:26.01 | sjansen | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/11/12#a11704 |
| 23:26.04 | brac | [Philip Greenspun's Weblog: ] |
| 23:26.22 | sjansen | Is that anything like a pile of dirty clothes? |
| 23:26.39 | sjansen | I would't recommend staying there too long. You'll start to smell funky. |
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| 23:41.45 | RyanE | levi: were you able to help the helpless C student? |
| 23:42.29 | levi | RyanE: I had to tell him to go back and start over a couple of times, but eventually he came up with something coherent enough that I could direct him towards the right answer. |
| 23:43.30 | RyanE | levi: I had that experience once with a TA for my CS330 Lisp assignment. :) |
| 23:44.54 | levi | I think the problem was the mental model. He was focusing too much on C, and not enough on what he was saying in C. |
| 23:45.29 | maquis | levi: in what way? i'm not sure what you're saying... |
| 23:45.36 | levi | Apparently this was the first lab where he actually had to write something from scratch. The others were debugging an existing program. |
| 23:47.00 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:47.04 | maquis | that's an odd way to do it |
| 23:47.25 | maquis | so, he didn't know how to write the code from scratch? |
| 23:47.38 | levi | maquis: Instead of thinking along the lines of, 'I need to have a loop, and inside I need to print something, ask a question, and evaluate the response' he was worrying about C syntax and such rather than the logic. |
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