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| 00:55.00 | Hhhhh | I have a Pentium 1 MMX 200Mhz CPU, a few CD-ROM drives, a floppy drive, a bunch of 16MB RAM sticks, a Diamond S3 videocard, an old 3Com network card and an old Creative Labs sound card. I' |
| 00:55.28 | Hhhhh | I have a Pentium 1 MMX 200Mhz CPU, a few CD-ROM drives, a floppy drive, a bunch of 16MB RAM sticks, a Diamond S3 videocard, an old 3Com network card and an old Creative Labs sound card. I need a HDD of at least 4GB and/or a PII CPU, anybody wants to trade? |
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| 01:15.52 | hans | so my qwest connection has been down for 24 hours plus now |
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| 01:19.18 | levi | hans: Blah, yuck. |
| 01:20.49 | hans | and qwest says 'everything is fine' which after some digging means they have checked everything from the CO up, meaning the problem must be between my house and the CO |
| 01:20.59 | hans | and they will be happy to send out a technician for $85 |
| 01:21.59 | maquis | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4417354.stm <-- amazingly encouraging news!!!! |
| 01:30.40 | JoshH | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.01 | maquis | JoshH: i agree, but it's still encouraging! |
| 01:34.31 | JoshH | better than hearing about another bus bombing |
| 01:34.36 | maquis | yeah |
| 01:34.39 | JoshH | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/08/tenn.school.shooting/index.html |
| 01:36.53 | maquis | :( |
| 01:37.50 | JoshH | what kind if idiot shoots his vice principal, or anyone else at a school |
| 01:38.03 | JoshH | school shootings are just amazingly terrible |
| 01:38.07 | maquis | yeah |
| 01:38.12 | hans | I wouldn't say encouraging either. nice. heartwarming. evidence that they/we are not all evil |
| 01:38.23 | hans | but until you see things like that en masse I wouldn't say encouraging |
| 01:38.37 | JoshH | the kid's life is basically over now, and he was 15! if he could have just bottled up his anger at the principal for a few more months, he wouldnt be going to prison |
| 01:38.57 | maquis | JoshH: do you remember the whole thing in ukraine a year or so ago? |
| 01:39.10 | JoshH | what thing? |
| 01:39.36 | hans | but then I'm the guy who qwest is trying to extort $85 out of at the moment |
| 01:39.46 | maquis | some chechnyan rebels took over a school, set up bombs, held the students hostage for a couple days until the government went in, etc... |
| 01:39.52 | JoshH | oh, yes |
| 01:39.54 | maquis | was it in ukraine? |
| 01:39.57 | JoshH | i thought that was in russia |
| 01:40.00 | JoshH | oh well, same thing :P |
| 01:40.02 | maquis | might've been |
| 01:40.07 | maquis | just started thinking that it might've been russia |
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| 01:40.17 | hans | oh no, it's him |
| 01:41.39 | amcnabb | Me? :) |
| 01:42.11 | JoshH | well anyway maquis, ya that was terrible. i had a ukrainian roommate at the time, and he was glued to the news the whole time. he was kinda sympathetic to the chechnyans before, but after they "went after kids" as he put it, he thinks russia should just wipe them out. |
| 01:42.42 | maquis | JoshH: attacking a school will get plenty of publicity, but no sympathy |
| 01:42.51 | maquis | they were stupid to not realize that |
| 01:42.57 | JoshH | terrorists don't really think those things out |
| 01:49.00 | JoshH | if they did, they wouldn't be terrorists |
| 01:49.18 | JoshH | since they would realize that terrorism is not a valid way to solve problems |
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| 02:33.42 | Hhhhh | anybody has a 4GB+ HDD and/or a PII CPU they want to get rid off? I have a bunch of 16MB RAM sticks, a few CD-ROM drives, a floppy drive, an S3 videocard, a 3Com network card and an old Creative Labs sound card |
| 02:36.25 | Newsome | I've got a PII system I'm willing to part with, but it's a whole working system, so probably not best for parting out. |
| 02:41.00 | Hhhhh | Newsome, you're trying to get rid of that system? |
| 02:43.16 | Newsome | I have no particular use for it anymore, but it's still a decent system. It was my server at home until about 3 months ago |
| 02:55.57 | Hhhhh | well, I want a machine for my sister who doesn't have a computer |
| 02:56.31 | maquis | Hhhhh: it's just a general comment... i was reminded by the conversation |
| 02:56.48 | Hhhhh | Newsome, what would you give that machine up for? |
| 02:56.50 | Tene | Hhhhh: I've got a few P2 proc/mobos I'll let you have |
| 02:57.21 | Tene | maquis: including random assorted parts and cases and such? |
| 02:57.23 | Hhhhh | hey, thanks Tene |
| 02:58.09 | Tene | but if you want a full system, you should talk to newsome, I guess |
| 02:58.34 | Hhhhh | if I can get a full system, that's be neat, but I also appreciate your offer Tene |
| 02:58.45 | Tene | stupid bloody IE... |
| 02:58.47 | Tene | ~lart IE |
| 02:58.47 | maquis | Tene: ask him... |
| 02:58.50 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 02:59.11 | maquis | Tene: my guess is that he'd probably take any donation like that... |
| 02:59.12 | Hhhhh | Newsome, you selling/trading the machine? |
| 02:59.30 | Newsome | selling more than trading, probably |
| 02:59.42 | Hhhhh | how much? |
| 02:59.55 | Tene | maquis: any idea how I could get this stuff to him or a representative of him? URL about this project? |
| 03:00.08 | maquis | stuporglue.org |
| 03:00.36 | Hhhhh | Tene, will a mobo with a socket 7 work for one of your P2 CPUs? |
| 03:00.48 | Newsome | Hhhhh: does $40 or $50 sound reasonable? |
| 03:01.16 | Hhhhh | Newsome, sounds very reasonable, but my wife just reminded me that I have no budget for computers for a while. Thanks anyways |
| 03:01.24 | Tene | Hhhhh: don't think so. They've got motherboards, though. |
| 03:01.24 | Newsome | okay, no problem :) |
| 03:01.39 | Hhhhh | Tene, would you mind if I could have one mobo and one CPU? |
| 03:01.46 | Tene | Where are you at? |
| 03:01.59 | Hhhhh | i'm at my house, you go to BYU? |
| 03:02.09 | Tene | Nope, Taylorsville. |
| 03:02.15 | Tene | I don't get out to provo very often. |
| 03:02.42 | Hhhhh | oh, ok, I don't get out to Taylorsville often either, after I transfered from SLCC to BYU |
| 03:02.43 | maquis | Tene: did that url work? |
| 03:03.04 | Tene | maquis: yes, but I don't see any actual contact information... |
| 03:03.51 | Tene | oh, there's an email address on the flier pdf |
| 03:03.55 | Tene | Thanks. |
| 03:04.17 | Hhhhh | maquis, I know you use a laptop, but do you have any spare desktop parts? |
| 03:04.22 | maquis | Tene: thanks for pointing that out... i'll tell him he needs to add contact info on the "donate computers" page |
| 03:04.35 | Tene | Hhhhh: what parts do you want? |
| 03:04.51 | maquis | Hhhhh: not at the moment... i only have the parts of the computer i'm trying to fix for michael's project |
| 03:04.56 | Hhhhh | I'm pretty much set, it's just the CPU and the HDD that are lacking |
| 03:05.05 | Hhhhh | i'm having problems installing stuff in the HDD |
| 03:05.16 | Tene | I think I might have a 5G drive laying around. |
| 03:05.30 | Hhhhh | i'm installing sarge in it right now, the install has been corrupted like 6 times |
| 03:05.54 | Hhhhh | i've been installing sareg for like 10 hours already |
| 03:05.57 | Hhhhh | sarge* |
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| 03:11.31 | maquis | Hhhhh: what are the problems in installing sarge? |
| 03:13.36 | emcnabb | I just got a new USB keyboard at Goodwill |
| 03:13.42 | emcnabb | still in the box and everything |
| 03:13.45 | maquis | emcnabb: cool |
| 03:13.50 | emcnabb | $7 |
| 03:17.32 | Hhhhh | maquis, just every time I install, I get some little problem, usually a corruption problem |
| 03:28.11 | Tene | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/07/29/445242.aspx |
| 03:31.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, what about it? That's a few months old |
| 03:34.31 | Tene | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/10/12/480242.aspx is newer |
| 03:44.08 | xbmodder_lappy | how do you add a lart? |
| 03:44.36 | Tene | I was just bugging my uncle about CSS support in IE. |
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| 03:44.51 | Tene | This is my favorite quote from the conversation: |
| 03:44.53 | Tene | Tene: I don't suppose you know why the CSS support in IE is so bad, do you? |
| 03:44.54 | Tene | JPenn: cuz we like to torture small mammals? |
| 03:45.03 | Tene | xbm: I think it's addlart |
| 03:45.57 | xbmodder_lappy | ~addlart |
| 03:46.05 | xbmodder_lappy | i think you need to be _o |
| 03:46.07 | xbmodder_lappy | +o |
| 03:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | err, Ah @ Tene |
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| 04:00.57 | xbmodder_lappy | amcnabb, hey |
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| 04:04.06 | amcnabb | hi |
| 04:11.14 | emcnabb | hi |
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| 04:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, I was just reminded how much I hate compiling the imap c-client for PHP |
| 05:05.42 | mheath | Argh, I hate this. |
| 05:05.46 | mheath | My e-mail box isn't very busy |
| 05:05.50 | mheath | E-mails trickle in, one or two a day |
| 05:06.01 | mheath | Then, all of the sudden, I'll come home nad have like 30 new e-mails |
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| 05:06.09 | mheath | (not spam - all of it relevant) |
| 05:06.19 | jsmith | Man, if only I got so few emails :-) |
| 05:06.40 | tensai | jsmith: how many? |
| 05:07.52 | jsmith | Today? Over 1000 that I needed to at least glance over. |
| 05:08.04 | jsmith | tensai: mheath was complaining that he had 30 relevant emails to read. |
| 05:09.00 | synic | one time I got an email. |
| 05:11.49 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 05:11.56 | mheath | New snapshot of the upcoming GNU release |
| 05:12.53 | mheath | ~lart Useless POMs |
| 05:13.33 | tensai | ~whaleslap maquis |
| 05:13.51 | jsmith | ibot still misbehaving? |
| 05:13.57 | tensai | did anybody ever figure out why? |
| 05:14.00 | jsmith | It'll only lart, but nothing else? |
| 05:14.07 | mheath | ibot: what is whaleslap? |
| 05:14.09 | ibot | mheath: what are you talking about? |
| 05:14.17 | mheath | ibot: whaleslap |
| 05:14.24 | tensai | mheath: it should be just like that lart |
| 05:14.35 | mheath | ibot: whaleslap ibot |
| 05:15.09 | tensai | ibot: whaleslap is your mom |
| 05:15.10 | ibot | tensai: okay |
| 05:15.15 | mheath | ~whaleslap |
| 05:15.17 | ibot | [whaleslap] your mom |
| 05:15.21 | tensai | hmm. |
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| 05:15.37 | jsmith | ibot: lart tensai |
| 05:15.47 | jsmith | Looks like he's just not listening for the ~ |
| 05:15.50 | tensai | ibot: whaleslap $mheath is <action> slaps $mheath upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:15.51 | ibot | ...but cmd: whaleslap (.*?) is already something else... |
| 05:15.57 | tensai | ibot: no, whaleslap $mheath is <action> slaps $mheath upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 05:15.58 | ibot | okay, tensai |
| 05:16.05 | tensai | ibot: whaleslap your mom |
| 05:16.19 | tensai | maybe actions are disabled |
| 05:16.28 | tensai | ~beep |
| 05:16.29 | ibot | [beep] the protocol formally known as bxxp |
| 05:17.07 | mheath | ibot: no, whaleslap $tensai is I'll just grab a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh and slap $tensai over the head with it..... |
| 05:17.08 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 05:17.15 | mheath | ~whaleslap tensai |
| 05:17.30 | mheath | ibot: whaleslaph tensai |
| 05:17.36 | mheath | ibot: whaleslap tensai |
| 05:17.46 | mheath | ibot: I HATE YOU. |
| 05:17.47 | ibot | Well I hate you too! |
| 05:18.00 | mheath | ibot: Finally, you respond. |
| 05:20.18 | mheath | ibot: What is cmd: whaleslap? |
| 05:20.20 | ibot | mheath: what are you talking about? |
| 05:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ....heh |
| 05:25.49 | tensai | ~literal whaleslap |
| 05:25.50 | ibot | "whaleslap" is "your mom" |
| 05:25.56 | tensai | ~literal whaleslap (.*?) |
| 05:26.05 | tensai | ~literal whaleslap $who |
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| 05:26.17 | tensai | ~whaleslap Uncle_Jesse already! |
| 05:27.31 | jsmith | ibot: literal whaleslap $who |
| 05:58.47 | mheath | ibot: literal whaleslap $who is "test" |
| 05:58.48 | ibot | mheath: okay |
| 05:58.53 | mheath | ibot: literal whaleslap $who |
| 05:59.26 | mheath | O.o |
| 05:59.29 | mheath | ibot: You're broken. |
| 05:59.31 | ibot | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 06:00.20 | mheath | ~lart ibot |
| 06:02.41 | mheath | google.website@uk |
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| 06:27.16 | xbmodder | Where do you guys think is a good place to land *nix consultancy jobs on the web? |
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| 07:27.27 | findlay | levi: http://lkml.org/lkml/2000/3/29/172 |
| 07:28.28 | levi | findlay: Yes? |
| 07:28.29 | findlay | goozbach: where are you? |
| 07:29.07 | findlay | levi: it's about software documentation, and it had a good catch phrase from an open source acolyte |
| 07:29.44 | levi | Yup. |
| 07:29.49 | findlay | ibot: youre broken |
| 07:29.55 | findlay | ibot: you're broken |
| 07:29.56 | ibot | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 07:29.59 | findlay | ibot: you're broken? |
| 07:30.00 | ibot | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 07:30.33 | findlay | ibot: y0u'r3 br0k3n |
| 08:00.43 | findlay | ibot: good night |
| 08:00.44 | ibot | good night, sleep tight, dont let the bed bugs bite... Love you lots, and take care of yourself... |
| 08:00.58 | findlay | ~whatever |
| 08:00.59 | ibot | well, whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
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| 08:54.01 | goozbach | almost entirely oppisite utah as far as time goes |
| 08:54.13 | goozbach | the day is just getting started here |
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| 10:38.50 | goozbach | boring |
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| 14:11.17 | graphyx | Morning Guys, |
| 14:11.21 | graphyx | I am a dad again. |
| 14:11.37 | graphyx | Born at 4:00 AM 7 pounds 6 ounces 19.5 Inches long. |
| 14:12.54 | hans | did you scold it for coming at 4am? |
| 14:12.59 | hans | er, I mean congratulations |
| 14:13.26 | graphyx | At the point my wife was any time it came would have been fine just as long as it was now and not next week. |
| 14:25.54 | goozbach | congrats |
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| 14:45.03 | mheath | graphyx: Congratulations. |
| 14:45.19 | mheath | graphyx: Boy or girl? |
| 14:45.32 | graphyx | Boy. |
| 14:45.37 | graphyx | Named mason. |
| 14:46.21 | mheath | ~praise graphyx's new boy |
| 14:47.54 | graphyx | ibot's awol. |
| 14:48.31 | goozbach | ibot: get back to your post! MAGGOT! |
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| 14:51.11 | elg | vontrapp: yo |
| 14:58.31 | goozbach | ibot: get back to your post! MAGGOT! |
| 14:58.32 | ibot | sir! yes SIR! |
| 15:03.51 | goozbach | ibot: such a lazy bot |
| 15:03.52 | ibot | I'm givin' her all she's got Cap'n! |
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| 15:10.36 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 15:17.17 | maquis | graphyx: congrats |
| 15:17.26 | goozbach | maquis: ping |
| 15:17.31 | goozbach | er pong that is |
| 15:18.00 | maquis | goozbach: i knew you were in spain... i was more referring to the fact that you haven't been replying to messages |
| 15:18.14 | goozbach | I am now |
| 15:18.27 | goozbach | I haven't had anything but erratic internet access |
| 15:18.49 | goozbach | the TELCO decided that the WTC of spain didn't need the 5mbit connection |
| 15:18.59 | maquis | wtc? |
| 15:19.05 | goozbach | hence we lost the majority of our connectictiviy |
| 15:19.12 | goozbach | World Trade Center |
| 15:19.47 | hans | goozbach: have they figured out to blame you yet? |
| 15:23.12 | goozbach | hans: no, but I bet they're trying to blame it on my router on a stick I tried to install |
| 15:24.06 | hans | tell them it's a popsicle |
| 15:28.32 | hans | ~cook vontrapp |
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| 15:30.16 | goozbach | tensai: problems? |
| 15:30.40 | tensai | goozbach: forgot to log out at home |
| 15:30.58 | tensai | and quitting is cheaper than changing nicks in idlerpg |
| 15:31.47 | hans | heh, that seems backwards to me |
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| 16:22.17 | tensai | ~fungicide |
| 16:22.18 | ibot | ACTION pounces on fungus with a bottle of chlorodinitronaphthalene |
| 16:22.54 | maquis | haha |
| 16:23.45 | tensai | ~maquisicide |
| 16:23.46 | ibot | no way, Jose |
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| 16:25.28 | sjansen | ~seen goozbach |
| 16:25.35 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah (1d 3h 52s). Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 55m 19s |
| 16:26.03 | fungus | ~tensaicide |
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| 16:26.31 | findlay | ~iboticide |
| 16:28.24 | Uncle_Jesse | ~iboticize |
| 16:28.43 | tensai | ibot actions don't create themselves, people! |
| 16:28.44 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: I think you killed ibot |
| 16:29.05 | findlay | ~ibot_action_create |
| 16:29.46 | findlay | ibot: are you still alive? |
| 16:29.52 | graphyx | ~gender |
| 16:29.54 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 16:30.01 | tensai | ~ping |
| 16:30.02 | ibot | pong |
| 16:37.45 | findlay | sjansen spelled evar wrong |
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| 16:45.48 | tensai | whew. that was close. we almost had an sjansen overload |
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| 16:54.37 | Jayce^ | ok folks, joke link for the day... http://www.jumbojoke.com/000534.html |
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| 16:58.41 | graphyx | That's pretty bad. |
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| 17:07.27 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 17:09.20 | findlay | yeah, insect exoskeletons are pretty tough. A fly falling 6 feet probaboy wouldn't do it any real damage |
| 17:10.26 | goozbach | but if it's over-stuffed...? |
| 17:11.02 | Jayce^ | hey goozbach, big news.. |
| 17:11.21 | Jayce^ | you know about the 3rd? |
| 17:11.50 | Uncle_Jesse | 3rd turd - who cares about the 3rd? |
| 17:11.55 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:12.03 | Jayce^ | Battle of Stalingrad |
| 17:12.14 | Uncle_Jesse | paintball? |
| 17:12.18 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 17:14.56 | goozbach | 3rd of Dec? |
| 17:15.18 | findlay | ~lart girlkind |
| 17:15.20 | Jayce^ | goozbach, yeah |
| 17:15.31 | Jayce^ | you want in on my squad? |
| 17:15.36 | goozbach | I'm soo IN |
| 17:15.41 | goozbach | need a sniper |
| 17:15.42 | goozbach | ? |
| 17:15.44 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 17:15.49 | Jayce^ | especially for stalingrad |
| 17:15.58 | Jayce^ | planning on sniper squads |
| 17:16.21 | goozbach | I'm gonna have to finish my Guille suit |
| 17:16.26 | Jayce^ | ghillie |
| 17:16.33 | goozbach | I'm abt 1/2 the way through |
| 17:16.36 | Jayce^ | a few people at the last one had them |
| 17:16.40 | goozbach | whatever you know I can't spell |
| 17:17.04 | goozbach | where is it? |
| 17:17.38 | Jayce^ | southern ut country... probably payson aread |
| 17:17.38 | goozbach | and what kind of ground cover is there? |
| 17:17.42 | Jayce^ | not sure yet |
| 17:17.56 | goozbach | I'll have to scout it out |
| 17:18.03 | goozbach | (matching the camo) |
| 17:18.18 | Jayce^ | they asked me to be one of the lietenents, so I'll get a map layout |
| 17:18.25 | goozbach | ohh! |
| 17:18.43 | findlay | be sure to come back to the Provo Tabernacle at 7:00 PM for the Messiah |
| 17:18.45 | goozbach | we nazi or allies? |
| 17:18.54 | Jayce^ | undecided yet |
| 17:19.02 | Jayce^ | if like last time, we'll get chances at both |
| 17:19.14 | goozbach | I'll brush up on my german then |
| 17:19.14 | Uncle_Jesse | you have laser guided scopes? |
| 17:19.24 | Jayce^ | ~lart Uncle_Jesse |
| 17:19.43 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: you haven't seen enemy at the gate have you? |
| 17:19.52 | Uncle_Jesse | paintball is appealing to me but I'm afraid of being shot |
| 17:19.57 | goozbach | you don't need lasers if you're good |
| 17:19.59 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: not sure - what's it about? |
| 17:20.26 | Uncle_Jesse | you know what I mean :-P |
| 17:20.59 | Uncle_Jesse | "killed by a scope" |
| 17:21.13 | findlay | mouthwash? |
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| 17:21.50 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: a story about a sniper fight on the russian front during WWII |
| 17:22.22 | Jayce^ | german's and russian armies in WWII were both very heavy on sniper training... |
| 17:22.35 | Jayce^ | all the rest of us still thought it was 'uncouth' fighting |
| 17:22.49 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_at_the_Gates |
| 17:26.15 | tensai | yay! my modem is *finally* working |
| 17:27.02 | Jayce^ | supposedly they'll have a river again, so we can have the river crossings |
| 17:28.16 | Uncle_Jesse | so is this a game or a reenactment? |
| 17:28.46 | goozbach | senario game |
| 17:28.47 | Jayce^ | scenario |
| 17:29.00 | goozbach | yeah that |
| 17:29.10 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - like a mod :-) |
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| 17:30.52 | Jayce^ | no |
| 17:30.56 | Jayce^ | more like a map |
| 17:31.05 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 17:31.10 | elg | well that was curious. I just ran into Mike Goodrich in the hall |
| 17:34.40 | Uncle_Jesse | paypal sucks |
| 17:35.06 | tensai | elg: you should watch where you're going |
| 17:35.17 | Uncle_Jesse | if you have a fraudulent charge on your paypal account, they only refund the amount they can possibly hold from the fraudulent person's acocunt |
| 17:35.20 | Uncle_Jesse | account |
| 17:35.27 | elg | yeah, gotta be careful about running into byu professors at nmsu |
| 17:35.33 | Uncle_Jesse | so in my case it was like $7 for a $300 purchase |
| 17:35.42 | tensai | elg: or get him to write you a bot to control your walking |
| 17:35.55 | elg | forget the bot, he should program me a segway |
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| 17:36.10 | elg | I see some profs riding around on a segway from time to time, makes me jealous |
| 17:36.17 | elg | probably the physics dept. or engineering or something. |
| 17:36.57 | Uncle_Jesse | at BYU? |
| 17:37.03 | elg | nmsu |
| 17:38.20 | elg | levi: what time is the colloquium? |
| 17:38.35 | levi | elg: Noon |
| 17:38.40 | elg | 1170? |
| 17:38.49 | levi | No, it's in the HFAC |
| 17:39.16 | levi | F201 |
| 17:39.29 | RyanE | I wonder how the segway would work with ice / snow at BYU? |
| 17:39.37 | tensai | speaking of byu, I saw pictures of the new sflc. I'm so bummed they changed the name. |
| 17:39.49 | RyanE | tensai: what's the new name? |
| 17:40.20 | tensai | JFSB. Joseph F Smith Building I think |
| 17:40.32 | tensai | not to be confused with the JSB |
| 17:41.38 | Uncle_Jesse | at least people can't call it the syphalis any more |
| 17:42.15 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: sure they can, it would be a badge of antiquity, a secret code if you will |
| 17:42.47 | Uncle_Jesse | a secret combination of BYU old-timers |
| 17:42.54 | RyanE | the good old SFLC always smelled like an old elementary school. Probably same kind of floor wax or something. |
| 17:43.23 | RyanE | not to mention the abundant kids used in the secret experiments (Oops! I mean day-care classes) |
| 17:43.25 | elg | RyanE: it's the mind-control wallpaper that they use to keep the teachers from leaving |
| 17:52.26 | graphyx | http://www.jumbojoke.com/000524.html |
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| 18:00.33 | goozbach | what's that command that does histograms? |
| 18:00.39 | goozbach | out of points? |
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| 18:03.50 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 18:13.07 | goozbach | it's been TOO long since my geometry lessions |
| 18:13.09 | lars-ut | ~emulate Gaz |
| 18:13.10 | ibot | The rightful order has been restored. |
| 18:13.34 | lars-ut | Out of the 5 emails I sent to local candidates yesterday, 3 responded. |
| 18:13.44 | hans | anyone feel like trading backup mx? |
| 18:14.04 | hans | lars-ut: on time? |
| 18:14.19 | lars-ut | before elections ended |
| 18:14.27 | lars-ut | I was amazed. |
| 18:14.47 | hans | did their answers make a difference to your vote? |
| 18:15.42 | lars-ut | hans: Would have - I read them this morning. I didn't give them enough of a chance - I last checked my gmail account at ~4:40 - all replied after that time. |
| 18:16.10 | tensai | lars-ut: did you end up voting for the person who answered best? |
| 18:16.29 | lars-ut | In only one case, yes. |
| 18:16.56 | lars-ut | Mayoral candidate Tolman had too much going against her |
| 18:17.28 | Uncle_Jesse | my wife's Bishop was elected mayor of West Jordan |
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| 18:18.38 | vontrapp | ~lart lukfugl |
| 18:19.19 | lars-ut | I was unimpressed at someone involved in the planning commission (Tolman led it for the past 5 years) who would allow a Walgreen's to be built across the street from an existing pharmacy. |
| 18:21.00 | hans | lars-ut: so she answered worse so you voted for the right guy.. or what? |
| 18:21.05 | amcnabb | goozbach, are you thinking of gnuplot? |
| 18:21.08 | jebar | hans: ping |
| 18:21.14 | hans | #wencor |
| 18:22.04 | lars-ut | her answer wouldn't have changed my vote, but I gained some respect by her bothering to reply. I think she even included a phone number to call if I wanted to talk with her personally. |
| 18:22.17 | tensai | lars-ut: but in Springville, two more blocks and they would have been out of town |
| 18:22.30 | vontrapp | tensai: lol |
| 18:22.41 | lars-ut | tensai: You haven't visited Springville in a while |
| 18:22.50 | lars-ut | IT's growing out of control |
| 18:23.00 | tensai | lars-ut: that's true. been about 4 years |
| 18:23.19 | tensai | thought about moving there once upon a midnight dreary |
| 18:23.31 | lars-ut | Not a bad place to raise a family |
| 18:23.33 | amcnabb | Who has 001-755-896.area1.spcsdns.net? |
| 18:23.45 | amcnabb | (68.26.176.73) |
| 18:24.01 | jsmith | lars-ut: You're still saying that, after the incident the other night... |
| 18:24.07 | tensai | lars-ut: as far as utah goes, it seemed like a nice place |
| 18:24.35 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.46 | tensai | amcnabb: that would be Sprint PCS |
| 18:24.57 | mrpull | incident? |
| 18:25.00 | amcnabb | It's got to be someone at Guru labs. |
| 18:25.05 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, it's just you... |
| 18:25.34 | lars-ut | mrpull: Someone was pulled over about 3 blocks from my house and made a run for it. |
| 18:25.41 | lars-ut | he got away. |
| 18:25.42 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: Eagle Mountain may be a possible exception, but how much in utilities have you paid over the years? |
| 18:26.11 | mrpull | lars-ut: on foot? |
| 18:26.38 | lars-ut | mrpull: The cops told folks to stay inside their homes while they spoke german to dogs & released them to find the escapee. |
| 18:26.42 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, actually, so far I've been paying less than most of my friends.. |
| 18:26.49 | lars-ut | mrpull: yes |
| 18:26.59 | mrpull | german speaking dogs? that is neat. |
| 18:27.03 | Uncle_Jesse | if you're not in it for the money, Utah Valley is an excellent place to live |
| 18:27.06 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: that's good |
| 18:27.08 | lars-ut | mrpull: pretty wild huh? |
| 18:27.11 | Uncle_Jesse | you've done well then |
| 18:27.14 | Jayce^ | it just has seemed more because you get them all in a single bill, but we added things up, and it's been quite competitve, often better |
| 18:27.31 | lars-ut | mrpull: I thought dogs could only speak french. |
| 18:27.41 | Uncle_Jesse | just gotta do it the right way I guess |
| 18:27.45 | mrpull | maybe they were nazi dogs? |
| 18:27.53 | lars-ut | mrpull: perhaps... |
| 18:27.54 | Uncle_Jesse | of course we would be moving to Heber if it were for the money |
| 18:28.51 | lars-ut | mrpull: There's a joke here somewere if the canines in question were polish... |
| 18:29.19 | lars-ut | now I want to go eat at Costco. |
| 18:30.39 | mrpull | was there any mention why the suspect ran? i'd guess drugs. |
| 18:31.04 | hans | i just want everyone to know that I thwarted qwest's plan to extort $85 out of me |
| 18:31.20 | Jayce^ | ~applaud hans |
| 18:31.22 | lukfugl | ~lart qwest |
| 18:31.33 | mrpull | qwest is evil |
| 18:31.51 | lars-ut | qwest is worse than evil |
| 18:32.04 | lars-ut | ~praise hans |
| 18:32.09 | lukfugl | qwest is teh 3v1l |
| 18:32.33 | lars-ut | q is the name that shall not be spoken |
| 18:32.45 | tensai | hans: details please. we want to relish in qwest's failure. |
| 18:32.51 | lars-ut | agreed |
| 18:33.18 | hans | i'll blog the story. it's not nearly as triumphant stick-it-to-the-man as I wish it were though |
| 18:33.28 | lars-ut | mrpull: not sure yet. I'll find out though. |
| 18:34.06 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: sounds like my thwarting of $99 from Verizon |
| 18:34.16 | Uncle_Jesse | was yours regarding an early termination fee? |
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| 18:35.36 | lars-ut | ~Bene Gesserit |
| 18:35.37 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bene gesserit is "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." |
| 18:35.58 | lukfugl | That's one of my favorite quotes |
| 18:36.04 | lukfugl | from Dune |
| 18:36.20 | lars-ut | I need to watch it again |
| 18:36.28 | lukfugl | lars-ut: s/watch/read/ |
| 18:36.33 | lars-ut | actually I need to read it |
| 18:36.33 | lukfugl | much better in book form |
| 18:36.36 | jsmith | lars-ut: The question is -- which one will yo uwatch :-) |
| 18:36.49 | lars-ut | I watched the sci-fi |
| 18:36.59 | lars-ut | I like the David Lynch uncut |
| 18:37.17 | lars-ut | or 'director's edition', rather |
| 18:40.38 | lars-ut | David Lynch version gets extra points for a pre-TNG Patrick Stewart |
| 18:40.48 | lars-ut | and Sting |
| 18:40.49 | lukfugl | I'm getting ready to start the second book |
| 18:41.50 | lars-ut | Speaking of good sci-fi, it's also time for me to watch the first Matrix movie - haven't seen it in a few years. |
| 18:41.50 | lukfugl | currently on Michael Crichton's "State of Fear", then "Chronicles of Narnia" (already read some, need to finish the others), then the second dune book (whose title I can't remember) |
| 18:42.23 | lars-ut | I need to read the first 2 chronicles of Narnia w/my kids before the movie is released. not much time. |
| 18:42.34 | Jayce^ | at least they are fast |
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| 18:43.16 | Jayce^ | just audiobooked the wardrobe with my son... he's only 4 so that was one of the better ways for him to get an idea of it, without messing up our other books |
| 18:43.43 | lukfugl | is that what the movie will cover, first two? |
| 18:43.49 | Jayce^ | no, just the first one |
| 18:44.15 | lukfugl | Jayce^: first as in LW&W, or Magician's Nephew, or some of both? |
| 18:44.22 | Jayce^ | LW&W |
| 18:44.27 | Jayce^ | afaik |
| 18:44.30 | lukfugl | ok |
| 18:44.32 | lars-ut | lukfugl: I heard "State of Fear" provides good insight into an environmentalist mindset (environmentalist != conservationist imo) |
| 18:44.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I just bought the audiobooks too for my trip out to Utah |
| 18:44.41 | lukfugl | lars-ut: it does, I highly recommend it |
| 18:44.57 | Uncle_Jesse | my kids are really enjoying them now whenever we go places in the car |
| 18:45.00 | lukfugl | about half the book, in true MC fashion, is scientific discussion (with references) |
| 18:45.48 | lukfugl | so 50% eco-terrorist hunting action, and 50% scientists disillusioning a well meaning environmentalist lawyer |
| 18:46.43 | lars-ut | Jayce^: I want to start with The Magician's Nephew, then read LW&W |
| 18:46.57 | lukfugl | Jayce^: you familiar with IO::Handle? |
| 18:47.01 | lars-ut | lukfugl: wow |
| 18:47.03 | vontrapp | ~curse the TMCB for having AC on in the winter |
| 18:47.17 | lars-ut | lukfugl: I think I'd really enjoy that |
| 18:47.38 | lukfugl | lars-ut: it's a good buy. I got it at walmart (paperback) for 6 bucks |
| 18:50.18 | lars-ut | Oh yeah, thought I'd mention that Royal Wholesale Electric in Orem (http://tinyurl.com/8vz2e) is hosting a workshop on home theater next Thursday, Nov 17 |
| 18:50.28 | lukfugl | He's also got an essay at the back talking about the dangers of politicized science in general |
| 18:50.57 | lars-ut | lukfugl: neat |
| 18:51.29 | lars-ut | I buy telco/data parts from Royal ($1.08 for a 5ft CAT5e patch cable, for example) |
| 18:52.00 | hans | http://hans.fugal.net/blog |
| 18:52.19 | lars-ut | I'll get more info from the flyer I have at home and post again tomorrow |
| 18:53.50 | hans | there's the qwest story |
| 18:57.23 | jsmith | hans: That's nothing -- how 'bout the time they wanted to charge me $85 (three different times!) when they still couldn't find the problem, but could prove the problem wasn't on my premises. |
| 18:57.24 | lukfugl | ~ping Jayce^ |
| 18:58.05 | hans | jsmith: i'm secretly glad the problem is on my premises, esp. since they didn't come out and aren't trying to extort $85 |
| 18:58.10 | hans | it's in my control |
| 18:59.44 | jsmith | hans: Yup, nothing worse that being at the mercy of the Big Evil Phone Company :-) |
| 19:03.47 | lukfugl | anyone in here familiar with torture.pl? |
| 19:04.04 | hans | isn't it all torture? |
| 19:04.11 | lukfugl | hans: heh |
| 19:04.42 | lukfugl | it's a script to load test a webpage. Unfortunately I'm getting wierd socket issues from it that are making the results useless |
| 19:05.06 | lukfugl | e.g. the page loads sub-second in a browser, but torture.pl takes 15 seconds to load it |
| 19:05.42 | hans | the guys in #urug have been talking about load testing scripts recently |
| 19:05.44 | hans | in ruby |
| 19:06.02 | lukfugl | having thrown warns all over the code, it looks like it gets the page quickly, as it should, then hangs 15 seconds on the EOF check |
| 19:06.22 | lukfugl | unfortunately there's no ruby on this machine, and I don't have admin rights |
| 19:06.52 | hans | do you have to run it there? |
| 19:06.53 | findlay | could make it work if you had an admin left |
| 19:07.04 | lukfugl | hans: good point |
| 19:07.13 | hans | what about compiling ruby in your home directory? |
| 19:07.22 | lukfugl | I was hoping to run it on localhost to eliminate network latency, but I could run it off fugal.net |
| 19:08.06 | lukfugl | now if I were still on my *nix box, I'd just run it off my machine and accept the intranet latency |
| 19:08.22 | lukfugl | but no... |
| 19:08.26 | lukfugl | ~lart windows |
| 19:08.33 | lukfugl | appropriate |
| 19:08.55 | lukfugl | I know you can get perl for windows, but don't want to go through the hassle |
| 19:09.12 | hans | ruby you mean? |
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| 19:09.19 | lukfugl | hans: yeah, mistype |
| 19:09.37 | lukfugl | which has never been one-click for me |
| 19:09.52 | hans | not to mention finding it |
| 19:11.18 | findlay | php tutorial is powered by asp. Classic. www.w3schools.com/php/default.asp |
| 19:11.59 | tensai | hans: sorry, I'm gonna have to side with Qwest on that one |
| 19:12.17 | findlay | what kind of a snake is php anyway? |
| 19:12.21 | hans | i told you it was anticlimactic |
| 19:13.03 | tensai | couldn't you have embellished it a bit? |
| 19:14.27 | findlay | now that I think of it, I'm not sure what kind of a snake perl would be |
| 19:14.57 | hans | well, you have to remember they did leave me hanging for 24 hours, implied that leaving their cushy seats at the CO would have been an automatic $85 charge to _my_ account, and weren't even clear that they thought the problem must be on the premises. |
| 19:15.37 | hans | but jsmith's story is better |
| 19:17.21 | tensai | the two times I've had DSL outages because of Qwest failures, both times I've requested call backs when it was resolved |
| 19:17.27 | tensai | # of time Qwest has called me? 0 |
| 19:17.39 | suspence | oh, oh, are we playing the Qwest bashing game? |
| 19:18.00 | tensai | or any Big Evil Corporation(tm) of you choosing |
| 19:19.23 | suspence | well, this isn't so much a gripe against their service, but a jab at the billing department |
| 19:19.48 | suspence | a couple of years back, they double charged me seven months in a row |
| 19:20.16 | suspence | I called them every time I recieved a bill and they promised to correct it |
| 19:20.48 | suspence | after two months, the CR said I didn't have to keep paying the double charge until they fixed it |
| 19:21.00 | suspence | so I stopped on the third month's bill |
| 19:21.30 | suspence | by the fifth month they said they were cutting off my service and sending me to collections |
| 19:22.03 | suspence | we were finally able to work it out, but I changed to Comcast as soon as it was available |
| 19:22.07 | suspence | so there you go |
| 19:24.43 | suspence | so who has iProvo already? |
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| 19:26.34 | suspence | which provider, findlay? |
| 19:26.47 | findlay | OCT, amazingly |
| 19:26.56 | findlay | though I really wish it were xmission |
| 19:27.23 | suspence | how did you end up with OCT and why do you wish it were xmission? |
| 19:29.28 | findlay | recently iProvo wired up our apartment complex, and somehow my account with OCT |
| 19:30.14 | findlay | 's corn flake microwave account transferred to the new network |
| 19:31.40 | findlay | the network was down for about 4 days, then as suddenly as it came back up, my IP address was uncerimoniously rescinded |
| 19:33.25 | findlay | I had to walk obediently through their tech support call system bureaucracy before I could talk to someone who actually knew what was going on |
| 19:39.35 | suspence | I had considered moving my home service, but maybe I will let them work out the kinks before I make the move |
| 19:39.51 | suspence | can't handle 4 down days |
| 19:40.13 | hans | i couldn' thandle oct |
| 19:41.42 | findlay | hans, yes but they're dirt cheap |
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| 19:57.17 | findlay | what is privilege escalation and why would anybody want that? |
| 19:57.48 | tensai | findlay: regular user getting root privileges |
| 19:58.17 | findlay | via 'sudo'? |
| 19:58.53 | tensai | well, normally when you're talking about privilege escalation it's in the context of exploits |
| 19:59.28 | findlay | so it's just a concept rather than a system feature? |
| 19:59.44 | tensai | yeah, I'd say so |
| 20:00.31 | tensai | it could apply to a web app, or shell access, or anything where you grant some access but somebody exploits the system to gain more |
| 20:00.34 | RyanE | if easy priv. escalation is a system feature, put the OS down and back away slowly. |
| 20:00.58 | findlay | and as a concept from a cracking point of view would be any exploitable way to gain higher privileges? |
| 20:01.08 | RyanE | yep |
| 20:06.54 | vontrapp | ~praise the VPN |
| 20:09.01 | findlay | how do you pronounce apache? Is it apache or apache? |
| 20:09.19 | tensai | apache |
| 20:09.38 | vontrapp | anybody on byu network? |
| 20:10.05 | Uncle_Jesse | I like apache? |
| 20:10.22 | vontrapp | you're all wrong, it's apache |
| 20:10.23 | tensai | uh-*pa*-chee |
| 20:10.37 | vontrapp | like the helicopter |
| 20:10.45 | vontrapp | or the indians |
| 20:11.12 | tensai | from the term "a patchy web server" |
| 20:11.17 | vontrapp | or french-like: aw-paw-shay |
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| 20:12.26 | findlay | the Apache and Navaho indians were probably Athapascan and migrated from the lake Athapasca area about 1000 years ago |
| 20:12.26 | vontrapp | ~wb hans |
| 20:13.00 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - apache originates from stringing together "a-patchy" |
| 20:13.02 | findlay | I like apa-che' |
| 20:13.21 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: kind of like dankache? |
| 20:13.29 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: don't know |
| 20:16.32 | mrpull | odd. i've never thought of apache pronunciations. |
| 20:17.00 | mrpull | then again, i my bastardized american way of saying the tribe's name is probably not even close to correct. |
| 20:17.43 | tensai | I pronounce apache "eye-eye-ess" |
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| 20:18.05 | mrpull | tensai: not Eye Double Ess? |
| 20:18.07 | vontrapp | but i bet the spelling was modified to match the helicopter/indian name |
| 20:20.08 | nobell | just checking out BitchX |
| 20:20.50 | Uncle_Jesse | the apache webserver was not derived from the apache indian tribe - it was a derivative of "a-patchy" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server (FYI) |
| 20:22.41 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: I thought the project lead 10 years ago wanted to call it Apache because he was disgusted with all the buzzword hype at the time. Apache was allusive to a rugged, resiliant wilderness man, and he wanted that connotation with the server |
| 20:23.02 | findlay | when this was proposed on the mailing list, someone remarked that it was a pun |
| 20:23.25 | findlay | since apache emerged as a heavily patched version of something else |
| 20:24.16 | RyanE | Apache was a series of patches to NCSA's HTTPD source, I believe. |
| 20:26.36 | nobell | ctcp lars-ut-away sound |
| 20:26.50 | Professor_Jesse | findlay: you're probably right |
| 20:30.25 | findlay | I have video of an interview with Brian Behlendorf who says just that |
| 20:30.40 | findlay | the wikipedia article makes it seem inconclusive |
| 20:33.37 | smartypants | findlay: wikipedia's always right, though |
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| 21:29.03 | mrpull | interesting. anybody see http://www.explorerdestroyer.com |
| 21:29.05 | mrpull | ? |
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| 21:34.46 | mrpull | people are so creative about tricking people into giving them money |
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| 21:48.16 | maquis | mrpull: interesting |
| 21:48.20 | lars-ut | I do believe that's the first time I've seen the default quit msg for BitchX |
| 21:48.24 | maquis | has anybody played with the mechanical turk? |
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| 22:12.45 | mrpull | maquis: weren't the rewards just a few pennies per task? |
| 22:14.15 | jsmith | maquis: I've played w/ it. |
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| 22:18.50 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, there are a few different ones, usually it's something to the effect of the user being too dumb to change the default |
| 22:19.40 | mrpull | jsmith: was it worth your time? |
| 22:20.08 | jsmith | mrpull: Uh, no. I was looking at the web-services side of things, not the actual completion of tasks |
| 22:20.26 | mrpull | oh good. i'm glad you weren't wasting your time :) |
| 22:21.12 | jsmith | mrpull: Yeah, I think if I were to complete tasks (while working on their overloaded servers), I'd make about $2.00 per hour. |
| 22:21.55 | RyanE | jsmith: yeah, but you could *outsource* the tasks to India, and only pay them $1.00 / hour... |
| 22:24.51 | lars-ut | looks like my IT Conversations mp3 feed (http://www.itconversations.com/rss/recentWithEnclosures.php) is now up to 1.4GB |
| 22:26.00 | mheath | Hmmm. Does anyone know of any 3D Design / Drafting programs that are free software (similar to commercial products like Autodesk Inventor)? |
| 22:26.12 | hans | no |
| 22:26.18 | hans | there's a good 2d one though |
| 22:27.17 | mheath | Hmm. What I need is rather specifically a 3D application...... |
| 22:27.30 | mheath | I think I might look into some plain 3D Modeling tools...... |
| 22:30.24 | jsmith | mheath: Did you try Blender? |
| 22:30.35 | mheath | jsmith: thats what I'm going to try right now, actually :) |
| 22:31.08 | mheath | But its primarily for drafting purposes..... |
| 22:31.50 | mheath | I've never done any 3D Graphics before, so I have no idea how the controls in an artisticly-oriented 3D modeling application will compare to what I'm used to |
| 22:33.28 | mheath | You know what, I really need to finish getting my other desktop setup... |
| 22:35.36 | mrpull | mheath: why not stick with Inventor? it seems to be the right tool for the job? |
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| 22:43.31 | vontrapp | ooh, google reader is pretty cool |
| 22:44.10 | mrpull | vontrapp: how many feeds do you follow? last I looked greader was no good for me. |
| 22:44.43 | vontrapp | well, i have about 12 in sage, but only really actively follow 4 or 5 of them |
| 22:45.57 | mrpull | vontrapp: in that case, it may be a good fit. |
| 22:46.11 | mrpull | i follow about 110 feeds |
| 22:48.25 | maquis | mrpull: i'm a bit new to feeds, but i've found a large number i'm trying to follow... i'm curious how you manage to not make it take up your entire day |
| 22:49.01 | mrpull | maquis: i use bloglines. i don't read every article... just what jumps out at me. |
| 22:49.26 | mrpull | many articles are duplicates from other feeds |
| 22:49.28 | maquis | mrpull: yeah... i'm using bloglines too... just keep catchingg myself taking a while on it |
| 22:50.17 | mrpull | it can be a time warp, but still it is faster than visting a bunch of sites just to realized they haven't been updated :) |
| 22:50.55 | vontrapp | what about google reader doesn't work for you? |
| 22:51.02 | hans | i use safari's built-in rss and I like it more than anything else I've used |
| 22:52.23 | hans | I like feeds that put the whole content in the feed, too. then it's like reading a newspaper |
| 22:52.40 | mrpull | hans: it looks nice from what I've seen. a huge plus of bloglines is that I use several different computers |
| 22:53.09 | vontrapp | a newspaper that isn't full of annoying "continued on page Z-28" for every article |
| 22:53.20 | goozbach | djb-- |
| 22:53.30 | goozbach | stupid non-modify license |
| 22:54.02 | goozbach | what's so wrong with modifing paths? |
| 22:54.17 | goozbach | whats so wrong about the FHS at all |
| 22:54.19 | goozbach | ? |
| 22:54.26 | hans | goozbach: if you modify the path you won't be forced to use it and eventually realize his supreme wisdom in paths |
| 22:54.37 | hans | or something like that |
| 22:54.52 | hans | I hate his path choices too, with the exception of /service/ for daemontools |
| 22:55.30 | hans | now if svc just had a man page... |
| 22:55.58 | jsmith | hans: Oh yeah, been bit by that too |
| 22:56.01 | hans | i for one was not impressed by bloglines |
| 22:56.22 | hans | you have to have been through the baptism of fire in some djb software to understand |
| 22:56.23 | maquis | svc |
| 22:56.30 | maquis | er |
| 22:56.33 | maquis | ~svc |
| 22:56.35 | goozbach | I for one,welcome our new path creating overlords |
| 22:56.50 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 22:57.07 | hans | goozbach: seriously though it all comes down to ego |
| 22:57.11 | hans | your original question |
| 22:57.11 | goozbach | what was that for? |
| 22:57.14 | tensai | I use akregator and like it. works fine for my ~40 feeds. |
| 22:57.24 | goozbach | hans: yes, I know |
| 22:57.30 | goozbach | but AARRGGHH! |
| 22:57.30 | maquis | goozbach: just blaming you for all he evil in the world |
| 22:57.45 | goozbach | don't blame me |
| 22:57.48 | goozbach | blame djb |
| 22:57.55 | goozbach | ~blame djb |
| 22:57.57 | maquis | goozbach: but you're off in spain |
| 22:58.00 | hans | i only have 33 feeds |
| 22:58.36 | tensai | goozbach: have you verified that the rain in spain stays mainly in the plain? |
| 22:58.53 | mrpull | hans: bloglines layout is good for my needs... it would be nice if it was more ajaxy, web2.0ish, etc. (buzzword compliant) |
| 22:58.57 | goozbach | tensai: 10-4 |
| 22:59.14 | goozbach | it rained all day today |
| 22:59.18 | tensai | goozbach: sweet. I knew broadway wouldn't let me down. not like that hollywood. |
| 22:59.22 | hans | i'd settle for non-eyesore |
| 22:59.24 | goozbach | all over the plain |
| 22:59.40 | goozbach | tensai: I even have pictures to prove it |
| 22:59.52 | vontrapp | mrpull: you didn't answer, what don't you like about google reader? |
| 23:00.01 | goozbach | of course I don't know for sure that the beaches count as plains... |
| 23:00.24 | vontrapp | it even has vim movement keys, how could you go wrong with that? |
| 23:00.24 | tensai | holy crap Sony is lame |
| 23:00.28 | mrpull | vontrapp: it lumps all the feeds together |
| 23:00.42 | vontrapp | you can look at them one at a time |
| 23:00.48 | vontrapp | "Your Subscriptions" at the top |
| 23:01.29 | vontrapp | when did you use it last? it's still in development.. i just barely found it today |
| 23:02.07 | mrpull | even with the "your subscriptions" box at the top, it is clumsy to scroll thru each item |
| 23:02.15 | maquis | tensai: what this time? |
| 23:02.19 | vontrapp | not with j/k |
| 23:02.30 | tensai | maquis: too long, I'll blog it |
| 23:02.31 | mrpull | i like how others put all of the items in a frame that loads all at once |
| 23:02.55 | vontrapp | ah, that makes sense, i kinda like that myself |
| 23:03.05 | mrpull | i haven't used greader for some time |
| 23:03.50 | mrpull | interesting... I can use the scroll wheel on my mouse to move the article list in greader |
| 23:03.55 | mrpull | i've never seen that trick. |
| 23:04.17 | mrpull | maybe if it had a scroll bar it would suit my needs better |
| 23:05.03 | vontrapp | scrollbar? doesn't your browser have a scrollbar? |
| 23:05.43 | mrpull | vontrapp: of course it does. I mean the list of articles in google reader |
| 23:05.49 | mrpull | it doesn't have a scroll bar |
| 23:06.19 | mrpull | (the box with top/up/down/refresh) |
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| 23:06.54 | vontrapp | for easy quick scanning of article titles, i imagine |
| 23:07.30 | mrpull | yeah. the movement is a cool web trick, but I want to scroll at my own speed |
| 23:07.32 | sjansen | So has TimRiker fixed ibot? |
| 23:07.40 | vontrapp | ~fixed? |
| 23:07.43 | ibot | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 23:07.43 | sjansen | ~whaleslap Jayce^ |
| 23:08.12 | sjansen | ~funkybomb vontrapp |
| 23:09.06 | sjansen | TimRiker: for the last few days ibot has been responding to only certain commands (seems to ignore all <action>s, for example), don't suppose you know what's up? |
| 23:09.48 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's easy, ibot doesn't like you |
| 23:10.27 | sjansen | that's what I suspected... |
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| 23:11.49 | tensai | maquis: I'd kinda like to try. they claim it works as a regular CD on Macs, so in theory it should work anywhere, even Windows. But I've also heard that it's a Bad CD(tm) and meant to confuse cd drives. |
| 23:12.12 | maquis | tensai: exactly what i've been thinking |
| 23:12.31 | maquis | they ought to sell it at a big discount, though, since it does break windoze computers....... :) |
| 23:12.55 | tensai | since it's junk, they should chuck it in the trash |
| 23:17.06 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
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| 23:17.42 | smartypants | interesting - founder of SUSE just left Novell |
| 23:19.16 | maquis | ~lart SpecialZ |
| 23:29.54 | smartypants | anyone know a good place near Murray or West Jordan w/ good takeout sushi? |
| 23:39.58 | xbmodder | how hard is it to install two (2) MySQL servers on one system |
| 23:40.54 | hans | not too bad |
| 23:40.57 | hans | if you know what you're doing |
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| 23:46.18 | emcnabb | I had never heard of the Apple Pippin until today |
| 23:46.19 | emcnabb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin |
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| 23:49.35 | hans | is it any wonder |
| 23:51.48 | mrpull | pippen reminds me of my 3DO |
| 23:52.01 | mrpull | ahhh... the old days when I had lots of money for toys |
| 23:52.52 | mrpull | SSFII for 3DO was arcade perfect. One of the best games ever :) |
| 23:57.24 | mrpull | xbmodder: what is the motivation? it shouldn't be tough, but it could be a waste of resources. |
| 23:57.41 | xbmodder | mrpull, thinking of having two MySQLd |
| 23:57.49 | xbmodder | one hosted 100% in RAM |
| 23:57.52 | xbmodder | and one on disk |
| 23:58.10 | xbmodder | and then cluster them and setup ram one to stay in sync with the disc. |
| 23:58.16 | xbmodder | its crazy. |
| 23:58.20 | xbmodder | but it might work :) |
| 23:58.22 | xbmodder | ~monologu |
| 23:58.23 | xbmodder | ~monologue |
| 23:58.41 | mheath | xbmodder: you never answered my question |
| 23:58.53 | mrpull | xbmodder: and you think that will give you performance gains? |
| 23:59.04 | xbmodder | mheath, where? |
| 23:59.08 | mheath | Why should one use that circe IRC client you kept advertising? |
| 23:59.24 | xbmodder | mheath, because if you are on windows you gotta pay for x-chat |
| 23:59.31 | xbmodder | and its much lighter than x-chat too. |
| 23:59.51 | mheath | xbmodder: O.o I never payed for xchat |
| 23:59.56 | mheath | And I'm using it on Windows right now. |