| 00:01.47 | Tene_ | xbmodder_lappy: ajax isn't a language... |
| 00:01.58 | xbmodder_lappy | well its a thing |
| 00:02.06 | xbmodder_lappy | I mean does anyone know javascript |
| 00:02.09 | xbmodder_lappy | and know how to use ajax |
| 00:02.45 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: yeah, a bit. what do you want to know? There's a lot of resources out there on how to do it. |
| 00:05.54 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I need someone to join into ajax-irc |
| 00:06.37 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: An AJAX IRC client for the web? Where? |
| 00:07.03 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, me and my friends are working on it. |
| 00:07.07 | xbmodder_lappy | well actually just me |
| 00:07.49 | xbmodder_lappy | he is going to help later. |
| 00:09.40 | RyanE | so you're actually making an AJAX IRC Client? |
| 00:17.05 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah RyanE_away |
| 00:17.12 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE_away, I'll e-mail you ok? |
| 00:24.14 | sjansen | o/~ Workin' at the car wash, yeah! ~/o |
| 00:59.49 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf |
| 01:05.37 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE_away, hey |
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| 01:49.04 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:57.28 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart emcnabb |
| 01:58.59 | xbmodder_lappy | anybody know of alternatives to paypal? |
| 01:59.08 | xbmodder_lappy | (not egold) |
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| 03:30.53 | tensai | ~whaleslap jsmith |
| 03:31.06 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 03:31.13 | jsmith | Too bad ibot is misbehaving today :-) |
| 03:31.42 | jsmith | tensai: How's life? |
| 03:32.21 | tensai | not too bad |
| 03:32.39 | tensai | got some interesting voip stuff coming down the pipeline |
| 03:36.47 | tensai | I'll be going to ss7 training in a couple months |
| 03:36.54 | jsmith | Oooh.... |
| 03:37.01 | tensai | we're buying a new softswitch for our qwest peering |
| 03:37.21 | jsmith | Fun! |
| 03:40.12 | tensai | did you know that all ss7 routes are configured staticly? |
| 03:41.18 | jsmith | Nope... but I |
| 03:41.22 | jsmith | I'm not surprised. |
| 03:42.20 | tensai | there are significantly fewer nodes than on the internet, but still |
| 03:42.31 | jsmith | Yup. |
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| 03:55.43 | jsmith | ~welcome wps |
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| 04:14.02 | jsmith | TimRiker: You probably know, but ibot isn't responding well today |
| 04:14.08 | jsmith | ~welcome TimRiker |
| 04:17.39 | maquis | ~lart TimRiker |
| 04:18.43 | jsmith | maquis: Why does it work for you and not me? |
| 04:18.52 | jsmith | ~whaleslap maquis |
| 04:19.02 | maquis | jsmith: i haven't seen anything except larts work |
| 04:19.07 | maquis | :) |
| 04:19.09 | jsmith | Aha... |
| 04:19.11 | maquis | so, i was cheating |
| 04:20.16 | jsmith | Off do do something else -- later! |
| 04:46.11 | mheath | Good evening, everyone. |
| 05:14.00 | mheath | google.website@en/index.html |
| 05:14.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart ibot |
| 05:15.09 | xbmodder_lappy | where is brac? |
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| 05:17.23 | mheath | erm |
| 05:17.37 | mheath | google.website@en /index.html |
| 05:24.01 | mheath | Top Level Objects (in this case, "google") are registered and require a 24 hour period to propegate throughout the nameserver network |
| 05:24.45 | mheath | However, subObjects are entirely dynamic, and are only stored by the Object Namserver local to them |
| 05:25.08 | mheath | IE, if you were to type "google.website@en /index.html" into a web browser..... |
| 05:25.39 | mheath | Your webbrowser would query *your* local nameserver for "google"......and get a reference to the nameserver local to google... |
| 05:26.00 | mheath | Then, it would query that nameserver to get a reference to "google.website" |
| 05:26.20 | mheath | And connect to that server using a method similar to Java's RMI. |
| 05:26.49 | mheath | The "@en" gives the namservers a locale to use when looking for the appropriate server |
| 05:27.12 | mheath | IE, google.website@uk would give you the Google web server in Great Britain....etc. |
| 05:27.20 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, cool. |
| 05:28.42 | mheath | After your browser has an RMI reference, its free to call...say.....getWebsite("/index.html"); |
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| 05:38.25 | RyanE | anyone want to help me try something by letting me vnc their machine for a few minutes? |
| 05:40.32 | flyboy^ | Would you like my root password too? ;-) |
| 05:40.37 | RyanE | naw. |
| 05:40.42 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah! |
| 05:40.43 | xbmodder_lappy | and IP |
| 05:40.49 | xbmodder_lappy | and start SSH |
| 05:40.59 | RyanE | I just want someone to connect a VNC server, then they can disconnect again, and shut it down. |
| 05:41.07 | RyanE | I just need to see if someone from outside my firewall can connect. |
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| 05:41.40 | maquis | RyanE: why do you need to vnc to someone else's machine? couldn't you just let us try? |
| 05:41.43 | maquis | :) |
| 05:41.55 | RyanE | I'm trying to get my setup so that I can have someone who needs computer help can connect the VNC server to my waiting client connection thru a vnc reflector |
| 05:42.26 | RyanE | the issue is, I've already tried it with machines within my firewall |
| 05:42.36 | RyanE | I need to verify that I've got the ports opened up right |
| 05:42.49 | maquis | mmk |
| 05:42.55 | RyanE | mmk? |
| 05:43.14 | maquis | why does that confuse so many people? it's just a variant of ok :) |
| 05:43.33 | maquis | i've confused tons of people with mmk |
| 05:44.03 | RyanE | seems a little harder to type, too. ok? |
| 05:44.31 | maquis | yes... but mmk is what i normally say... and it seems to me to encourage people to continue... it's less interruptive than ok |
| 05:44.48 | maquis | although the conversation that follows is a bit more disruptive... :) |
| 05:45.18 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, so can you write the GUI for ajax irc? |
| 05:45.44 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: hehe. not likely. I said I know javascript and ajax, not that I like to program in it. |
| 05:46.23 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 05:47.47 | RyanE | besides, you should look at already existing javascript IRC clients... |
| 05:47.55 | RyanE | google javascript IRC Client, and you'll find some |
| 06:02.06 | RyanE | maquis: looks like it didn't work anyway... I would not have been able to achieve world domination through your VNC Server. :( |
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| 06:25.15 | findlay | levi: I still maintain that automotive documentation is *bad* |
| 06:25.45 | findlay | it's probably because there isn't that much real demand |
| 06:26.10 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 06:26.20 | findlay | most people just take their cars to the mechanic and pay them whatever they charge, and all the details are conviently covered over with a little money |
| 06:27.13 | levi | findlay: No worse than software documentation! |
| 06:27.23 | levi | findlay: Most documentation, in general, is bad. |
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| 06:33.45 | xbmodder_lappy | so if I give my car to levi and findlay I will get a whole bunch of documentation on my car |
| 06:33.51 | xbmodder_lappy | and they will fix it? |
| 06:34.10 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, I have a mercedes S500 and I need to get the GPS data disc |
| 06:34.15 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: you don't even have a licence yet |
| 06:34.15 | xbmodder_lappy | Version 7 |
| 06:34.22 | xbmodder_lappy | well my dad does.... |
| 06:34.26 | xbmodder_lappy | and year 2002 |
| 06:34.36 | xbmodder_lappy | I'll pay you 50 bucks per one CD |
| 06:34.41 | xbmodder_lappy | and 200 for a pack |
| 06:35.25 | findlay | go browse alt.binaries, you're sure to find what you're looking for. Note that I didn't actually reccommend you to do that |
| 06:37.38 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:37.41 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks findlay |
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| 14:29.56 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, lol |
| 14:30.03 | xbmodder_lappy | morning |
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| 15:42.00 | Hhhhh | anybody has played with small linux distros for old hardware? |
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| 16:04.15 | Hhhhh | hmm, reiserfs or ext3? |
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| 16:06.38 | sjansen | reiser 3 or reiser 4? |
| 16:06.49 | sjansen | and what distro? |
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| 16:07.15 | Hhhhh | vector linux 5.1 |
| 16:07.25 | Hhhhh | i already started with ext3 |
| 16:07.29 | Hhhhh | it's an old machine |
| 16:08.18 | sjansen | Then the only reason to switch is if you plan on experiencing an explosion of files or if you have lots of small files. |
| 16:08.58 | sjansen | I've heard anecdotal evidence that reiser3 is much nicer to hardware. I'd avoid reiser4 for now because of the politics. |
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| 16:09.47 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.19 | Hhhhh | sjansen, have you played with small distros for old hardware? |
| 16:11.35 | sjansen | not for a very long time |
| 16:11.44 | Hhhhh | ok |
| 16:12.22 | Hhhhh | I was just thinking what would be good to put in a P1 200Mhz 128MB RAM 2.1GB HDD box for my little sister (11-yrs-old |
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| 16:19.20 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:19.29 | vontrapp | ~fry hans |
| 16:20.07 | hans | doesn't everyone love qwest? |
| 16:23.19 | jsmith | hans: Yeah, just like I like hangnails :-) |
| 16:24.07 | hans | my dsl is down at home, and the actually-helpful guy at qwest (who was a utahn xmission user himself) couldn't raise the zombies at the CO here |
| 16:24.21 | hans | so there' s a ticket waiting for them to get in and check the tickets after their siest |
| 16:24.22 | hans | a |
| 16:24.33 | jsmith | Nice... :-) |
| 16:24.45 | jsmith | "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company." |
| 16:24.53 | hans | (I called last evening after it had been down about an hour) |
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| 16:32.23 | vontrapp | GRRR! |
| 16:32.36 | vontrapp | E: Build-dependencies for mozilla-firefox could not be satisfied. |
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| 16:33.04 | vontrapp | why the heck does it even have a version it can't satisfy build-deps for?! |
| 16:33.29 | vontrapp | hans, how do you install source for a specific version and get the build-deps for that version? |
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| 16:33.42 | tensai | vontrapp: are you running unstable? |
| 16:34.00 | vontrapp | kinda, unstable is pinned at 101 |
| 16:34.11 | vontrapp | testing at 501 and demudi at 901 |
| 16:34.17 | vontrapp | er, 990 |
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| 17:01.27 | sjansen | ~taunt the silly debian user |
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| 17:18.10 | hans | tensai: you'd have to somehow keep me in one place and prevent me from packing up and moving around the building. :) |
| 17:18.15 | hans | but I am stationary now |
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| 17:40.34 | tensai | ooh, ooh. I can't wait to sign up! http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-dev/2005-November/016698.html |
| 17:41.29 | hans | heh |
| 17:43.18 | sjansen | ha! I still have my ibot mask on, you squirted a bot instead! |
| 17:45.29 | Hhhhh | hmm, ok, I have some CD-ROM drives, a floppy drive, a P1 MMX CPU and a bunch of 16MB memory sticks, together with an S3 videocard, a network card and an old Creative Labs sound card. I need a HD of 4GB or more and/or a P2 CPU, anybody wants to trade? |
| 17:47.23 | hans | levi: I'm going to the van roy colloquium today |
| 17:47.27 | hans | you going to the one at byu tomorrow? |
| 17:47.31 | levi | hans: Yup. |
| 17:47.47 | hans | cool |
| 17:47.54 | levi | hans: Is yours on CS education or distributed programming? |
| 17:48.13 | hans | 'a concepts-based approach to programming' |
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| 17:49.39 | levi | hans: Ahh, cool. |
| 17:49.58 | levi | hans: The lecture tour website doesn't specify what he's going to talk about at BYU. |
| 17:50.06 | levi | But either would be interesting. |
| 17:50.22 | levi | The textbook is really cool, anyway. |
| 17:53.04 | goozbach | good evening #utah |
| 17:53.20 | vontrapp | ~zoneshift goozbach |
| 17:57.53 | goozbach | so, if I listen to enough german, I may just picken somen upen |
| 17:58.23 | hans | thought you were in barcey? |
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| 18:00.13 | goozbach | I am |
| 18:00.27 | goozbach | but there's more german tv stations in the hotel than spanish |
| 18:01.33 | goozbach | white german rappers... HAH! |
| 18:04.07 | levi | German rap is kind of cool. |
| 18:04.14 | levi | As is French rap. |
| 18:08.38 | sjansen | you'd think french rap would cause damage to the palate or something |
| 18:10.42 | vontrapp | booooo |
| 18:10.49 | vontrapp | ~smack hans |
| 18:11.54 | levi | Woo, emacs! |
| 18:12.06 | hans | don't everyone try to save me at once |
| 18:12.34 | hans | wow, that really was all at once. maybe my connection fluctuated |
| 18:12.46 | hans | i'm going to run snd as an emacs subjob |
| 18:13.00 | hans | better than stdin or the snd "listener" |
| 18:15.04 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 18:15.47 | hans | yikes. it's 116 megabytes |
| 18:16.06 | levi | What, emacs is? |
| 18:16.09 | sjansen | snd? |
| 18:16.15 | hans | well, aquamacs is |
| 18:16.22 | levi | Oh, well. |
| 18:16.58 | levi | I'm sure there's a lot of other stuff in aquamacs. |
| 18:17.03 | hans | oh well if it's just on disk |
| 18:17.15 | hans | but I can't use it if it takes that much ram, or even half that much |
| 18:17.17 | hans | :) |
| 18:17.38 | hans | what is it? |
| 18:17.52 | levi | I couldn't stand it, personally. I use a Carbon emacs port without all the Mac-ish keybindings. |
| 18:18.14 | hans | which one do you use? since you're my emacs support... ;-) |
| 18:18.40 | sjansen | seahorse-agent is a gpg agent |
| 18:18.42 | vontrapp | ~lart firefox |
| 18:19.02 | hans | interesting. I have only used gpg-agent |
| 18:19.10 | sjansen | gpg agents hold onto gpg keys not unlike ssh-agent holds onto ssh keys |
| 18:19.12 | hans | which was woefully late in arriving, but now works fine. |
| 18:19.55 | sjansen | seahorse-agent has a nice ui, works with evolution, hopefully it works with bazaar |
| 18:21.06 | sjansen | nope :-( |
| 18:21.12 | hans | does this nice UI work over ssh? |
| 18:22.36 | sjansen | good question, it theory it could... |
| 18:23.01 | vontrapp | does firefox have a binary release that includes pango? |
| 18:24.18 | levi | hans: Most of the size of the emacs distro is elisp files, which are stored in both source and byte-compiled form. |
| 18:24.42 | levi | hans: Likely only a few of them will be loaded into your emacs. |
| 18:25.06 | vontrapp | eegghhh |
| 18:25.10 | vontrapp | ~lart jackson 5 |
| 18:25.16 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 18:25.16 | ibot | :), vontrapp |
| 18:26.01 | hans | well, it bounced a couple of times and didn't start, so that failed |
| 18:26.25 | levi | hans: Try opening it from the command line, or checking the console log. |
| 18:27.16 | levi | hans: Emacs tends to break upon OS upgrades. If you're not dead set on all the rebindings that Aquamacs gives you, I've got a link to a Carbon Emacs that works. |
| 18:27.39 | hans | levi: I did, I typed open /Applications/Aquamacs\ Emacs.app |
| 18:28.03 | hans | anyway, it's gone now. is this the one you're talking about: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/carbonemacspackage.html |
| 18:28.14 | levi | hans: http://bluebeard.org/software/emacs_osx/ |
| 18:41.43 | hans | hmm, that one doesn't start either |
| 18:42.13 | hans | logs say |
| 18:42.14 | hans | Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/usr/local/libexec/emacs/22.0.50/powerpc-apple-darwin8.2.0/) does not exist. |
| 18:42.17 | hans | No fonts match `-*-monaco-*-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-mac-roman' |
| 18:42.33 | levi | Weird. |
| 18:42.46 | levi | What have you done to your OS X install? |
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| 18:43.03 | hans | hmm. looks like I already have emacs (probably from darwinports) |
| 18:43.12 | hans | when did that happen? :) (I'm probably just forgetting) |
| 18:43.23 | levi | Well, a non-graphical emacs is included with OS X. |
| 18:43.23 | hans | so it's probably a conflict there. |
| 18:43.48 | hans | oh. well then... I don't know what I did |
| 18:43.53 | levi | If you're fine running in a terminal, you can just use that one. |
| 18:43.55 | hans | but I'm happy with the non-graphical I think |
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| 19:09.20 | tapH20guru | #rubyonrails |
| 19:09.40 | tapH20guru | dang fingers... |
| 19:20.17 | goozbach | I'd forgotten how much I love street vendors |
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| 19:23.04 | amcnabb | goozbach, What reminded you? |
| 19:26.49 | goozbach | the churro vendor I just bought some churros from |
| 19:38.20 | levi | Hrm, I'm having weird issues getting to my home server. |
| 19:39.25 | levi | I was able to ssh in, but it took awhile. |
| 19:39.32 | levi | And I can ping to and from it. |
| 19:39.38 | levi | But I can't traceroute to it. |
| 19:39.39 | tapH20guru | reverse dns timeout? |
| 19:39.58 | levi | And web pages served from home are timing out. |
| 19:52.43 | levi | I restarted my blog server, which seemed to fix that particular problem. I dunno what was up with the rest of it, but it seems to be better now. |
| 19:53.01 | levi | And, woo! Someone actually left a comment on it, proving that the comment system actually works. |
| 19:54.25 | sjansen | yay comment spam! |
| 19:57.03 | levi | I have an anti-comment-spam system, which either works or hasn't been exercised yet. |
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| 20:16.22 | hans | stupid chinese place doesn't have my favorite dish today |
| 20:17.12 | tensai | hans: what kind of dish? bowl, plate, cup? |
| 20:17.27 | hans | inverted motorcycle helmet |
| 20:17.43 | hans | with sesame chicken in it |
| 20:18.03 | hans | they do have sweet and sour pork which normally would be fine, except their sweet and sour pork is terrible |
| 20:26.46 | levi | Anyone seen DabbleDB? http://dabbledb.com/about/ |
| 20:27.21 | hans | i think someone has dabbled in it |
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| 20:28.39 | levi | DabbleDB is by the guy who did Seaside. |
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| 20:38.02 | findlay | levi: success |
| 20:38.16 | levi | findlay: You changed your valve cover gasket? |
| 20:38.37 | Hhhhh | has anybody here used knoppix? |
| 20:38.59 | findlay | just one, the one that was hemorrhaging oil, didn't have time today for the other one |
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| 20:39.28 | sjansen | Hhhhh: define used |
| 20:39.29 | jsmith | Hhhhh: You're joking, right? |
| 20:39.58 | findlay | levi: alt.autos.subaru proved to be very helpful, thanks for the suggestion |
| 20:40.01 | sjansen | I suspect many people have "used" knoppix. You probably want to know something more exact. |
| 20:40.19 | Hhhhh | sjansen, used it as in installed it and played with it a bit. jsmith, no, I was not. |
| 20:40.31 | levi | findlay: No problem. Online forums have been /very/ helpful to me in my work on my car. |
| 20:40.33 | Hhhhh | I wanna know if latest knoppix will work in a P1 200Mhz 128 |
| 20:40.43 | Hhhhh | I wanna know if latest knoppix will work in a P1 200Mhz 128Mb RAM 2.1 HDD for my sister |
| 20:41.05 | findlay | Hhhhh: could try VL or DSL |
| 20:41.07 | sjansen | my suspicion is "yes, but painfully" |
| 20:41.36 | Hhhhh | i tried VL, firefox segfaults every single time |
| 20:41.39 | Hhhhh | and dillo sucks |
| 20:42.05 | sjansen | running a full desktop in 128MB is possibly, but pretty slow |
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| 20:42.19 | Hhhhh | instead of dsl I tried luit (DSL based), and it was ok |
| 20:42.48 | Hhhhh | sjansen, i'd try to use iceWM probably, but I wanted to know if Knoppix would make sense in such an old machine |
| 20:42.52 | sjansen | you want something more lightweight like fvwm instead of kde/gnome which most distros favor |
| 20:43.05 | tensai | sjansen: depends. my laptop has 128mb. xfce works great until I load more than 2 things. |
| 20:43.26 | tensai | sjansen: yes, exactly. kde choked my machine to death. xfce makes it usable |
| 20:43.50 | sjansen | tensai: I was going to suggest xfce also, just could remember the name and hadn't google it yet |
| 20:45.20 | tensai | Hhhhh: honestly, for a p1 200mhz I would recommend skipping X and going with lynx and mutt at the terminal |
| 20:46.05 | tensai | I know that's not the answer you want to hear, but that's been my experience. gui tools are getting too big and wieldy any more |
| 20:47.38 | stderr | xfce has gotten substantially bigger, but it's still reasonable compared to KDE / Gnome. |
| 20:47.56 | Jayce^ | Hhhhh, knippix has a boot flag to use alternative desktops, use that |
| 20:48.14 | Jayce^ | if you use *box, just turn of the AA and it should be fine |
| 20:48.20 | findlay | TWM! |
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| 20:49.10 | findlay | ships with vanilla X, therefore is ubiquitous, and last but not least, it's *teal*! |
| 20:54.49 | Hhhhh | thanks for the suggestions guys, I'll definetely go with X since this compy is for my little sister |
| 20:54.49 | Hhhhh | i'm gonna try Knoppix 4.0.2, hopefully it isn't too slow |
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| 20:58.22 | sjansen | it'll probably be alot faster after you install it as the cd drive is certainly going to be pokey |
| 20:58.25 | lars-ut | I live in Springville. Only 5 candidates up for election today. 3 of them will be elected. I sent all the candidates an email similar to the following: |
| 20:58.30 | lars-ut | Could you please reply with a quick summary of your political principles & goals as mayor of Springville? I'll be voting later today. Thank you. |
| 20:58.46 | lars-ut | How many do you think will reply? |
| 20:58.50 | sjansen | zero |
| 20:58.58 | hans | how many will get your email in a month? |
| 20:59.05 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:00.03 | lars-ut | sjansen: zero replies today, or zero replies ever? |
| 21:00.52 | vontrapp | gem install units |
| 21:02.06 | lars-ut | Perhaps it was unfair of me to expect a reply on emails sent in between 1:40-1:46pm on the day of the election? |
| 21:02.11 | vontrapp | to bad it takes forever to get the source index |
| 21:03.03 | sjansen | lars-ut: a harder question, but I'm going to pick "ever" because after today it won't matter |
| 21:03.11 | jsmith | lars-ut: You're expecting politicians to reply to email? |
| 21:03.24 | lars-ut | or their minions |
| 21:03.35 | sjansen | jsmith: of course, that's what underlings are for |
| 21:03.59 | hans | sjansen: I thought they were playing bzflag about now |
| 21:04.05 | hans | er, solitaire |
| 21:04.24 | hans | if they were playing bzflag they'd probably have a script that starts an AI tank to come blow them up when they have new mail |
| 21:05.04 | lars-ut | I guess I was expecting some sort of automated reply... then I noticed the domains on their email addresses. |
| 21:05.15 | hans | hotmail.com? |
| 21:05.19 | jsmith | lars-ut, sjansen: Politicians running for mayor of Springville have minions/underlings/henchmen? |
| 21:05.31 | lars-ut | hans: check. |
| 21:05.45 | lars-ut | http://springville.org/jobs/Springville_vote_05.php |
| 21:05.56 | hans | your emails probably got filtered along with all the other 419 emails |
| 21:06.04 | hans | all that political mumbo jumbo |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | jsmith: good point |
| 21:09.10 | lars-ut | here's the most info I've been able to find so far: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635158928,00.html |
| 21:10.09 | JoshH | could there really be that much difference between the candidats in springville anyway? they are probably all friends in the same ward or stake or whatever. somehow i doubt they range across the political spectrum. |
| 21:10.20 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:10.47 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.13 | sjansen | the other one says "I spent a lot of my life in responsible positions for my church, but I don't want to advertise my church too much." |
| 21:11.27 | lars-ut | Tell me about Mrs. Tolman |
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| 21:12.17 | hans | lars-ut: well, she was born in switzerland and lived in australia, mate. |
| 21:12.26 | hans | and don't forget canada, eh |
| 21:12.29 | lars-ut | yeha, I read that. |
| 21:12.36 | jsmith | C-eh, N-eh, D-eh |
| 21:12.41 | lars-ut | "A donut, a jelly." |
| 21:12.54 | vontrapp | what provides the 1.hour goodness? |
| 21:13.04 | sjansen | Wish I could see a picture to know if I'm thinking of the right person. |
| 21:13.06 | hans | in rails? activesupport I think |
| 21:13.47 | hans | you can provide it yourself, too. class Numeric; def hour; self * 60 * 60; end; end |
| 21:13.54 | lars-ut | sjansen: Does this help? http://www.educause.edu/PeerDirectory/750?ID=79416 |
| 21:14.16 | hans | I wish I had a million dollars |
| 21:14.19 | hans | or at least an ipod |
| 21:14.19 | sjansen | no picture |
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| 21:15.02 | hans | sjansen: http://www.nweaccexhibition.co.uk/images/Christine%20Tolman%2002.jpg |
| 21:15.05 | lars-ut | thought you might recognize the email addr |
| 21:15.27 | lars-ut | hans: that helps/ |
| 21:15.29 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.58 | Newsome | she's very picky about lots of things |
| 21:16.09 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.53 | hans | lars-ut: just write in sjansen |
| 21:17.42 | Hhhhh | anybody knows how much HDD does an HDD install of Knoppix from CD iso needs? |
| 21:17.46 | lars-ut | I'm not too impressed w/somebody on the planning commision who decided to put in a Walgreen's across the street from Art City Pharmacy |
| 21:18.38 | lars-ut | Looks like Tolman has been in charge of the planning commission for the past few years |
| 21:20.09 | stderr | hm. Tough decision. One has an AOL email address, the other has an MSN address. |
| 21:20.36 | tensai | Hhhhh: the one time I tried it, I think it took 2GB |
| 21:21.07 | maquis | stderr: true |
| 21:21.51 | hans | is it beneficial to be a california resident? |
| 21:21.55 | stderr | Although I'd tend to agree with JoshH; they both probably have very, very similar agendas. |
| 21:22.11 | lars-ut | Google gives the following hits: 10 for "Gene R. Mangum", 31 for "Christine M. Tolman" |
| 21:23.20 | JoshH | ya, its not like some radical liberal is going to run in springville |
| 21:23.27 | JoshH | its a choice between one former bishop and another |
| 21:23.37 | hans | yeah, someone might hit him with a car |
| 21:23.44 | stderr | makes me want to move to Springville and run. |
| 21:24.10 | JoshH | voting for local elections in utah is pretty much pointless |
| 21:24.18 | JoshH | in fact, voting for anything in utah is pointless |
| 21:24.26 | hans | stderr: why? the statement is probably pretty true all over happy valley |
| 21:24.30 | hans | so run where you are |
| 21:24.41 | JoshH | we might as well not even have elections here |
| 21:24.43 | sjansen | Ladies and gentleman, as you mayor I promise that my first act will to be getting us out of the city business. I think it's high time we just sold ourselves to Provo and got things over with. |
| 21:24.46 | RyanE | but Gene R. Mangum ==> GERMAN ME GNU. Christine M. Tolman ==> A STENCH LINT I'M ROM. Tough decision. |
| 21:24.50 | JoshH | just let the lds church appoint who it sees fit |
| 21:25.07 | stderr | hans: I'm in Salt Lake City, I can say that I've noticed a distinct lack of Saints here as compared to other locations in the valley I've been. |
| 21:25.11 | stderr | Besides, I like our mayor here. |
| 21:25.14 | hans | oh, well slc is a bit different |
| 21:25.17 | JoshH | stderr: rocky owns |
| 21:25.29 | stderr | yea he does. |
| 21:25.31 | lars-ut | Rocky is a cliche. |
| 21:25.49 | JoshH | he isnt perfect, but imo hes quite a breath of fresh air compared to the rest of utah's "good ole boy" politicians |
| 21:26.05 | JoshH | i dont like how he is against the legacy highway |
| 21:26.07 | lars-ut | I'd prefer to vote for a Democrat or Libertarian in Springville |
| 21:26.19 | sjansen | Haven't given Rocky much thought beyond "as mayor of SLC he has no business telling North Salt Lake what it can and can't do with its own land". |
| 21:26.31 | stderr | JoshH: I met him at a protest. He's a pretty cool guy. |
| 21:27.16 | JoshH | he is cool. its true that sometimes he sticks his nose where it doesnt belong, but how often do you see letters in the trib and dnews complaining about things like his tax funded bartab, from people who live in the suburbs |
| 21:27.21 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.32 | RyanE | I sat in front of him on a plane back when he still went by Ross. All I know is He yaps a lot. |
| 21:27.51 | mrpull- | what is the plug topic this month? i have forgotten. |
| 21:27.59 | JoshH | jeff waugh i think |
| 21:28.06 | mrpull- | no meeting tomorrow? |
| 21:29.20 | sjansen | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 21:29.56 | hans | lars-ut: the lug here in las cruces is anarchistic |
| 21:30.27 | hans | nobody claims to be the leader, and nobody seems to care |
| 21:30.28 | stderr | lars-ut: Real nice. We lament the lack of the talib...err, LDS church here in SLC. *rolls eyes* |
| 21:30.51 | lars-ut | stderr: you caught my sarcasm? |
| 21:31.01 | sjansen | ho boy, here we go again |
| 21:31.15 | stderr | lars-ut: I hope you caught mine. |
| 21:31.18 | mrpull- | ah crap, I was starting to think it would be a patch free "patch tuesday" |
| 21:31.20 | lars-ut | I'm thinking about going with Tolman based on her being employed at BYU |
| 21:31.34 | lars-ut | that should make her liberal for Springville |
| 21:31.35 | hans | why? |
| 21:31.42 | lars-ut | it's all relative. |
| 21:32.09 | lars-ut | Wing Enterprises donated $1000 to Mangum |
| 21:32.10 | hans | well in my experience, present company excepted, being employed at BYU is (stereotypically, anyway) a bad thing |
| 21:32.47 | stderr | anyone run across Slapper in the wild yet? |
| 21:32.57 | lars-ut | I understood the generalization to be BYU employees were liberals. Does that only apply to professors? |
| 21:33.13 | lars-ut | please correct my stereotype |
| 21:33.17 | hans | i think so |
| 21:33.26 | hans | and only in certain departments |
| 21:33.40 | hans | or maybe it's the inverse - not in all departments |
| 21:33.48 | lars-ut | IT? |
| 21:33.49 | JoshH | liberal employees at byu? wtf? |
| 21:33.56 | hans | anyway, I'd say most byu staff are not liberal but sheep |
| 21:33.57 | JoshH | ive never heard anything like that |
| 21:34.14 | tensai | baaaaaa |
| 21:34.19 | lars-ut | This is based on my relationships with thos who have attended/worked for BYU |
| 21:34.21 | stderr | hans: Heh. I've heard that one. |
| 21:34.25 | hans | JoshH: some profs at BYU in certain departments are relatively liberal compared to the rest of happy valley |
| 21:34.46 | JoshH | relatively liberal, as in, they believe in the theory of evolution? |
| 21:34.55 | hans | you got the idea |
| 21:34.57 | stderr | hehe. |
| 21:35.05 | JoshH | heh, i see |
| 21:35.29 | JoshH | all relative |
| 21:35.30 | stderr | God. Utah makes me look like a communist. |
| 21:35.45 | JoshH | stderr: not all of utah, just the area outside of slc ;) |
| 21:36.01 | lars-ut | I do take stock in one friend who spoke of Wing's corruption - he was formerly mayor of Springville. Rumors of kickbacks, etc. |
| 21:36.01 | stderr | JoshH: Hence the reason I stay within the city limits. |
| 21:36.02 | sjansen | ~language stderr |
| 21:36.06 | JoshH | as do i |
| 21:36.13 | stderr | sjansen: ? |
| 21:36.16 | mheath | Hahaha |
| 21:36.26 | stderr | communist? |
| 21:36.29 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:36.30 | sjansen | unless you were address Him directly, in which case you should have used a comma instead of a period |
| 21:36.35 | mheath | #define _POSIX_CHOWN_RESTRICTED/* only root can do a chown (I think..) */ |
| 21:36.47 | mheath | Old Linux kernel source is fun to look for |
| 21:36.49 | mheath | *look through |
| 21:36.52 | stderr | Oh, I forgot. Saying His name is Bad(tm). |
| 21:36.53 | mheath | excellent comments :D |
| 21:37.14 | stderr | sjansen: My apologies. |
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| 21:37.41 | sjansen | disrepectful when used as an interjection is closer |
| 21:37.44 | hans | ~reward Bradipo |
| 21:37.47 | JoshH | i remember when i was in elementary school |
| 21:37.57 | JoshH | some kids would actually say "dog backwards" instead of "god" |
| 21:38.04 | stderr | sjansen: Can I say Joseph? |
| 21:38.07 | lars-ut | Easy, there stderr, you wouldn't want me to defame, say, She-Ra. |
| 21:38.10 | Bradipo | Reward? |
| 21:38.15 | Bradipo | Did I flood the channel? |
| 21:38.24 | stderr | lars-ut: What's that supposed to mean? |
| 21:38.26 | hans | no, just felt like you needed a reward for being cool |
| 21:38.31 | Bradipo | lol |
| 21:38.35 | hans | stderr: you don't worship she-ra!?!?! |
| 21:38.39 | mheath | JoshH: hehehe...exactly :) Utahns (and mormons) swear, and they do it a lot, they just don't do a vey good job of it :) |
| 21:38.43 | stderr | All of a sudden I don't believe in God? |
| 21:38.44 | Bradipo | Well, I was playing around with scanning barcodes with a CueCat... |
| 21:38.59 | stderr | You don't have to be LDS to believe in God, chump. Contrary to Utah's popular opinion. |
| 21:39.00 | JoshH | mormon swear words are like |
| 21:39.02 | hans | i really should have picked me up one of those when radio shack was giving them away |
| 21:39.06 | Bradipo | Apparently it sends ctrl characters and just happened to send the right set of characters to log me out of WindowMaker. |
| 21:39.07 | lars-ut | stderr: uh, ok. |
| 21:39.14 | JoshH | frick, shiz, shneikey |
| 21:39.22 | Bradipo | Thought maybe it might have also flooded the channel with barcodes... |
| 21:39.33 | hans | Bradipo: heh |
| 21:39.36 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:39.44 | mheath | "H. E. Double Hockey Sticks" was a popular one when I was in elementary =D |
| 21:39.58 | Bradipo | They work alright except for the Function key characters it sends. |
| 21:40.11 | sjansen | JoshH: you'll notice that most of us avoid those too ('cause they're just plain annoying) |
| 21:40.35 | mheath | Wow |
| 21:40.40 | hans | yeah, we say things like 'by the beard of RMS' |
| 21:40.47 | mheath | This is really, really, primitive. |
| 21:41.10 | mheath | Very simple |
| 21:41.20 | JoshH | sjansen: ya, its mainly younger people who talk that way |
| 21:41.21 | lars-ut | stderr: My point was that if you're familiar with local culture there's nothing wrong with showing respect for it, whether or not you subcribe to it. |
| 21:41.37 | mheath | I'm surprised you could even run a libc and compiler on this.... |
| 21:41.38 | JoshH | these days i really don't interact much with devout mormons, except for this channel, heh |
| 21:41.46 | stderr | lars-ut: I wasn't showing respect for it? |
| 21:42.16 | hans | slipped his mind, he apologized |
| 21:42.17 | lars-ut | I took small offense at you poking fun at one of the ten commandments. |
| 21:42.29 | stderr | lars-ut: When? |
| 21:42.30 | JoshH | lars-ut: but i also think that the local culture shouldn't expect to be "accommodated" all the time by those who don't subscribe to it. tolerance does go both ways. |
| 21:42.32 | lars-ut | but that's just me |
| 21:42.36 | mheath | #ifndef __GNUC__ |
| 21:42.36 | mheath | #error I want gcc! |
| 21:42.36 | mheath | #endif |
| 21:42.41 | mheath | Not very portable, either :D |
| 21:42.57 | hans | still doesn't compile without gcc does it? |
| 21:43.01 | stderr | lars-ut: I mentioned religion? You brought that up with She-Ra, I thought. |
| 21:43.08 | stderr | which was moderately offensive. |
| 21:43.19 | JoshH | stderr: you said "God." :P |
| 21:43.23 | mheath | hans: You can use other C compilers; It's still dependent on binutils, though, I believe. |
| 21:43.32 | lars-ut | and then joked about it |
| 21:43.45 | stderr | Oh wow. |
| 21:43.46 | hans | hmm. someone (don't remember who) was telling me otherwise, but ok |
| 21:44.00 | stderr | Well I guess we're fair, you called me a heathen, I used the Lord's name in vain. |
| 21:44.21 | stderr | I was kinda begging for strength though, in all fairness. |
| 21:44.23 | tensai | I'm pretty sure Linux requires gcc extensions |
| 21:44.35 | mheath | Why would it? |
| 21:44.43 | hans | because it was written that way |
| 21:44.46 | tensai | because they chose to use them |
| 21:44.53 | sjansen | lars-ut: it probably wan't a joke, many people honestly don't consider using the Lord's name in vain swearing |
| 21:45.16 | stderr | I had no idea I was going to offend you lars-ut. I'm sorry. |
| 21:45.37 | lars-ut | stderr: Don't worry about it. |
| 21:45.45 | lars-ut | I should have let it go |
| 21:45.56 | stderr | But note, I'm not a heathen. |
| 21:45.57 | sjansen | mheath: optimization, for starters |
| 21:46.00 | lars-ut | noted |
| 21:46.08 | stderr | Even if I'm not LDS. |
| 21:46.10 | JoshH | stderr: whatever man, you are so going to hell. |
| 21:46.13 | lars-ut | also noted. |
| 21:46.28 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.31 | JoshH | or at least, not the celestial kingdom. |
| 21:46.34 | lars-ut | previous boss |
| 21:46.36 | stderr | JoshH: That's what my eight ball keeps telling me. |
| 21:47.02 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.20 | JoshH | where was that? totally awesome computers? :) |
| 21:47.24 | hans | lol |
| 21:47.26 | lars-ut | Redmond |
| 21:47.43 | hans | were you working at microsoft? because if you were... |
| 21:47.47 | lars-ut | ~100 person startup |
| 21:47.52 | JoshH | well everyone at MS is a servant of satan |
| 21:47.56 | lars-ut | not MS |
| 21:47.57 | JoshH | so thats no biggie |
| 21:48.23 | hans | there was a traveling evangelist on campus the other day |
| 21:48.42 | hans | as I approached the crowd I thought it was like a mob or fight or something |
| 21:48.44 | stderr | what kind? |
| 21:49.00 | hans | just a guy with a "you're going to hell" sign telling everyone to accept Jesus |
| 21:49.13 | stderr | sweet. |
| 21:49.24 | stderr | good for him to let you guys know, bet that takes a load off. |
| 21:49.28 | hans | apparently pretty confrontational and rowed with lots of people who didn't like being called whores and such |
| 21:49.46 | lars-ut | did he have explosives strapped to him? |
| 21:49.48 | hans | and got asked to leave by the police |
| 21:49.53 | JoshH | oh well, at least he wasn't wearing explosives on his body. |
| 21:50.01 | hans | no explosives |
| 21:50.14 | sjansen | hans: so of course you marched off to the book store to create a "judgement is mine saith the lord" sign? |
| 21:50.34 | stderr | escalation! |
| 21:50.37 | hans | nah, I walked past as fast as I could to get my financial aid check. |
| 21:50.46 | lars-ut | Or maybe a sign saying There are only 10 types of Mormons. |
| 21:50.52 | Jayce^ | sjansen, those seem to be ignored when you have them up near the conference center... |
| 21:51.14 | hans | ~spell colloquium |
| 21:51.27 | hans | wow, that looks so wrong to me today |
| 21:51.37 | stderr | looks wrong to me too |
| 21:51.38 | stderr | huh |
| 21:51.42 | sjansen | hans: ah, you chose the path of filthy lucre, guess he was right ;-) |
| 21:51.44 | JoshH | those evangelicals who "protest" at the conference center are the biggest lowlifes imagineable |
| 21:52.04 | JoshH | who doesn't have anything better to do than go scream at people on their way to or from a church conference |
| 21:52.14 | stderr | JoshH: Where's that at? |
| 21:52.25 | JoshH | stderr: they are out by the main street plaza sometimes |
| 21:52.30 | stderr | I need something to do today, might as well taunt evangelicals. |
| 21:52.45 | JoshH | usually during "general conference" |
| 21:52.51 | stderr | oh, wait. I have a date. Maybe I can take her. |
| 21:52.54 | lars-ut | speaking of Church meetings, ever been to a synagogue? |
| 21:53.03 | stderr | I have. |
| 21:53.04 | JoshH | nope |
| 21:53.21 | lars-ut | neat - the Cantor part especially. |
| 21:53.38 | Bradipo | lars-ut: WHat are the 2 types of mormons? |
| 21:53.40 | stderr | Judiasm has some interesting practices. |
| 21:53.49 | Bradipo | Good ones and bad ones? |
| 21:53.51 | stderr | err Judaism |
| 21:54.02 | lars-ut | Bradipo: those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 21:54.06 | Bradipo | Ahh... |
| 21:54.50 | JoshH | ah, if only i had mheath's free time |
| 21:54.54 | stderr | maquis: sshhhh. |
| 21:54.57 | maquis | (or be better than the current version) |
| 21:55.11 | stderr | maquis: he believes alot of things, don't burst his bubble. |
| 21:55.14 | levi | I've been in a synagogue before. |
| 21:55.23 | levi | In this town in Maryland. |
| 21:55.29 | maquis | stderr: i dunno... if i was about to go off and spend a ton of time on something, and then find out that it's never going to work, i'd rather find out ahead of time |
| 21:55.37 | sjansen | someday mheath will revolutionize the world and we'll still be wasting our lives on IRC |
| 21:55.39 | stderr | levi: I visited some very old ones in Israel. |
| 21:55.54 | levi | Around Christmas time, they open up all these cool old church buildings to tours. |
| 21:55.56 | stderr | sjansen: when is this branch of reality breaking off? |
| 21:56.13 | maquis | i'd be interested in going in a synagogue sometime |
| 21:56.16 | stderr | maquis: Oh, well, he's creating his own distro too. |
| 21:56.17 | mheath | maquis: google.website@uk vs http://www.google.co.uk/ :) |
| 21:56.17 | Bradipo | stderr: As soon as someone does a cvs -j |
| 21:56.20 | maquis | judaism is really interesting |
| 21:56.21 | levi | And they generally have some sort of demonstration going on, like a choir singing, etc. |
| 21:56.22 | JoshH | i would love to go to israel and tour all the historic old testament stuff |
| 21:56.36 | stderr | Bradipo: hehe. You'd think God would use subversion. |
| 21:56.49 | levi | Or talking about what they actually do in the synagogue, for that case. |
| 21:56.57 | mheath | stderr: Why does everyone misinterpret me talking about customizing my GNU system as "I'm creating my own distro" |
| 21:57.00 | Bradipo | stderr: Or OpenCVS at least... |
| 21:57.03 | stderr | JoshH: Israel is pretty cool. |
| 21:57.11 | sjansen | stderr: about the point mheath show's he's not all talk |
| 21:57.14 | stderr | mheath: I thought you said in your own words you were creating your own distro. |
| 21:57.15 | maquis | mheath: because that's how you described it... |
| 21:57.16 | *** join/#utah spr (n=spr@c-24-10-236-93.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:57.27 | RyanE | mheath: because you said it. dang. stderr beat me to it, as did maquis. |
| 21:57.31 | stderr | Bradipo: Yeah. |
| 21:57.32 | levi | mheath: Aside from your GNU system, you've talked extensively about creating a Linux distro. |
| 21:57.33 | Bradipo | maquis: The pope drove down my street once in Italy, I even got a picture of him waving in his glass car. |
| 21:57.43 | stderr | sjansen: Really? |
| 21:57.48 | stderr | sjansen: Like. Proof? |
| 21:58.00 | maquis | Bradipo: we had to actually go and see him, but it is pretty cool... i like the popemobile :) |
| 21:58.01 | mheath | levi: Which I did, and released, over a year ago, before I got tired of working with it. |
| 21:58.08 | stderr | Bradipo: Where did you live in Italy? |
| 21:58.33 | Bradipo | stderr: A bunch of cities (LDS Mission). |
| 21:58.38 | mheath | I worked on extending it a little bit a few months back, but never really got around to much |
| 21:58.39 | Bradipo | Catania was where I saw the pope. |
| 21:58.51 | stderr | Bradipo: Very cool. Speak italian? |
| 21:58.53 | mheath | *shrug* |
| 21:58.57 | levi | mheath: I'm referring to your super-easy desktop Linux distribution. You released that one? |
| 21:58.58 | Bradipo | stderr: Certo. |
| 21:59.18 | stderr | Bradipo: :D |
| 21:59.19 | lars-ut | Claro. |
| 21:59.27 | mheath | levi: That was some ideas I was throwing around in here |
| 21:59.28 | mheath | that was |
| 21:59.32 | mheath | mheath I worked on extending it a little bit a few months back, but never really got around to much |
| 21:59.53 | mheath | Meh, I really need to change my defaults, to surround my nick with < and . |
| 21:59.53 | mheath | > |
| 22:00.16 | levi | mheath: Well, yeah. Which makes it exactly like most of the ideas you throw around here. |
| 22:00.24 | Bradipo | If you speak spanish then you'll likely catch enough of it. |
| 22:00.28 | stderr | Bradipo: I have family from Bozzolo |
| 22:00.31 | graphyx | stderr: I also served a mission in Italy. |
| 22:00.35 | graphyx | Padova area. |
| 22:00.43 | Bradipo | Where is Bozzolo? |
| 22:00.45 | graphyx | Anche parlo Italiano. |
| 22:00.47 | stderr | Bradipo: I've travelled extensively throughout Italy. |
| 22:00.54 | Bradipo | lars-ut: You do spanish translations then? |
| 22:00.56 | JoshH | stderr: military? |
| 22:01.08 | stderr | Bradipo: Northern, near the Po |
| 22:01.09 | lars-ut | Bradipo: no |
| 22:01.33 | stderr | JoshH: Yeah, and visiting family. |
| 22:01.37 | graphyx | RyanE: Shouldn't that be faction (single)? |
| 22:01.50 | RyanE | graphyx: there could be Brasilian and European factions |
| 22:01.51 | Jayce^ | RyanE, tá certo |
| 22:01.55 | mheath | levi: *shrug*. Right now I'm just concentrating on finishing this protocol, which will form the basis of the software for the litetablets I'm working on |
| 22:02.14 | Jayce^ | graphyx, brasilian, pt, and angolan :) |
| 22:02.20 | Bradipo | JoshH: Just where are you going to find Italian food? :-) |
| 22:02.25 | graphyx | RyanE: You are probably right. I was just trying to get a big response. |
| 22:02.34 | stderr | JoshH: I'm a master italian cook. ;) |
| 22:02.35 | JoshH | well, american psuedo italian |
| 22:02.41 | graphyx | not in Utah county. |
| 22:02.43 | lars-ut | Jayce: Don't forget Mozambiquean |
| 22:02.44 | mheath | And trying to earn enough money to finish my prototype model :D |
| 22:02.47 | graphyx | well there are some good places. |
| 22:02.53 | JoshH | there is an olive garden a couple blocks away :) |
| 22:02.55 | graphyx | But it's all over priced. |
| 22:02.57 | Bradipo | Actually, speaking of Italian... I did make some focaccia alla genovese Sunday with a bit of minestra ai fagioli. |
| 22:02.59 | sjansen | Solidaridade! |
| 22:03.00 | stderr | JoshH: heh. |
| 22:03.09 | Bradipo | It was excellent. |
| 22:03.09 | graphyx | JoshH: He said italiano food. |
| 22:03.17 | Bradipo | graphyx: He was being facetious. |
| 22:03.24 | stderr | Bradipo: saporito |
| 22:03.26 | graphyx | Bradipo: I hope so. |
| 22:03.33 | JoshH | i was, heh |
| 22:03.41 | Bradipo | I've eaten at Michelangelo and it was fairly good, but expensive. |
| 22:03.44 | JoshH | just because i haven't been to italy doesn't mean im a moron |
| 22:03.44 | mheath | stderr: what branch of the military? |
| 22:04.02 | RyanE | I liked 'La Dolce Vita' in Provo, but I don't know if it's still there. |
| 22:04.03 | Bradipo | But that is about the only *authentic* Italian around in Utah. |
| 22:04.03 | stderr | mheath: Haven't we gone over this about a million times? |
| 22:04.04 | stderr | Oh, wait. |
| 22:04.07 | graphyx | Well if you don't know enough about italiano food to realize that the olive garden isn't italian food we probably shouldn't shatter your life of lies. |
| 22:04.10 | Bradipo | RyanE: It is still there... |
| 22:04.10 | dataw0lf | Army, mheath. |
| 22:04.10 | JoshH | ive actually never been to michelangelo |
| 22:04.18 | Bradipo | Been going there for 12 years, but it isn't what it used to be. |
| 22:04.20 | mheath | dataw0lf: Ah! Didn't know you were dataw0lf |
| 22:04.20 | JoshH | one of those places ive always wanted to go but haven't gotten around to |
| 22:04.22 | graphyx | la dolce Vita is still there. |
| 22:04.32 | JoshH | Bradipo: i guess they have a new chef now, who is american |
| 22:04.33 | RyanE | the Calzones there were awesome. |
| 22:04.38 | JoshH | according to sl city weekly |
| 22:04.52 | mheath | dataw0lf: Sorry. Didn't know who you were, and you were talking about having family in italy.....Thought you might have been talking about Italian military :D |
| 22:05.01 | stderr | Heh. No. |
| 22:05.04 | Bradipo | JoshH: I think that must be it... I even thought something had changed. I make better gnocchi anyway. |
| 22:05.18 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, had a sicilian neighbor that always said otavios was authentic |
| 22:05.21 | stderr | mheath: I'm from Chicago, it's like, a requirement I have family in Italy, or something. |
| 22:05.30 | mheath | Haha |
| 22:05.37 | RyanE | hehe |
| 22:05.44 | Bradipo | Jayce^: That's interesting. My friends, who opened a restaurant and didn't speak any English wouldn't touch the place with a 10ft pole. |
| 22:06.02 | Jayce^ | maybe regional? |
| 22:06.05 | Jayce^ | jsut a guess |
| 22:06.06 | Bradipo | Of course it could have just been competition. |
| 22:06.11 | RyanE | or cleanliness. :) |
| 22:06.12 | stderr | there's a huge difference between Northern Italian food and Southern italian food. |
| 22:06.16 | lars-ut | stderr: Chicago - lucky. Lots of good food there. |
| 22:06.19 | Bradipo | This was Romano. |
| 22:06.24 | lars-ut | or sao I hear |
| 22:06.25 | stderr | lars-ut: yeah. |
| 22:06.28 | Bradipo | What region does Ottavio purport to be? |
| 22:06.34 | maquis | roman pizza is the best... with prosciutto and buffalo mozzarella |
| 22:06.35 | Jayce^ | not sure |
| 22:07.04 | RyanE | speaking of restaurants in UTCO. Does anyone know if Bamboo Hut ever reopened after they closed the one on 200W? |
| 22:07.12 | Bradipo | maquis: I used to eat a big ball of mozzarella di bufala almost monthly there, that was the best! |
| 22:07.14 | stderr | besides, Sicilians are insane anyways. |
| 22:07.23 | maquis | Bradipo: mmmmm |
| 22:07.25 | Bradipo | stderr: I thought they were down to earth. |
| 22:07.31 | stderr | They're insane. |
| 22:07.39 | Bradipo | RyanE: Hopefully not, that place was nasty. |
| 22:07.50 | maquis | Bradipo: i was only in italy for 2 weeks (1 in florence, 1 in rome), but i *loved* it |
| 22:08.02 | levi | Mmmm, Capri salad. |
| 22:08.06 | Bradipo | maquis: The pizza there is so different, you really can't compare. |
| 22:08.08 | RyanE | Bradipo: I hadn't been there in years, pretty much since the old place. |
| 22:08.15 | maquis | Bradipo: yeah |
| 22:08.19 | RyanE | the old Bamboo Hut was pretty good. |
| 22:10.04 | stderr | hm. Anyone know of a some sort of hack that allows you to use tab completion over sftp. |
| 22:10.24 | Bradipo | stderr: I've heard that zsh might be able to do that. |
| 22:10.39 | maquis | Jayce^: i'm jealous |
| 22:10.43 | sjansen | lftp |
| 22:10.44 | maquis | did you get some yummy seafood? |
| 22:10.50 | Jayce^ | stderr, I think "fish" had something like that, not sure at what layer it was implemented though, likely just part of the kde layer |
| 22:11.00 | sjansen | lftp sftp://server/path/to/start |
| 22:11.08 | Jayce^ | maquis, couldn't bring myself to do it, have lost the taste... almost picked up some smoked salmon |
| 22:11.09 | stderr | Hmm. Yeah, I was just wondering if there was some functionality in OpenSSH that could provide it. |
| 22:11.10 | maquis | Jayce^: i've been craving smoked salmon recently |
| 22:11.28 | sjansen | fish is a kio thing, gnome-vfs supports sftp also |
| 22:11.30 | Jayce^ | my bro picked up some cod and chips, and a bowl of chowder at the Ivars at the pier |
| 22:11.31 | RyanE | maquis: I think we've discussed this lately, too. |
| 22:11.37 | Bradipo | I've been craving pasta al nero. |
| 22:11.39 | sjansen | neither is as convenient as lftp or fuse, however |
| 22:11.49 | Bradipo | And stuffed calamari. |
| 22:11.50 | stderr | sjansen: Yeah, I really dig fuse. |
| 22:12.10 | RyanE | yeah, pasta al nero and chowder are not nearly as convenient as lftp or fuse. :) |
| 22:12.19 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, was at the dock this weekend where i used to always catch squid for making calamari... real fresh :) |
| 22:12.23 | RyanE | try copying files through chowder. that sucks. |
| 22:12.24 | Bradipo | Definitely not, the former is pretty messy. |
| 22:12.28 | Jayce^ | calamari tempura... mmm |
| 22:12.37 | sjansen | RyanE: now arroz, feijao and a good bife... |
| 22:12.41 | RyanE | sim |
| 22:12.56 | lars-ut | suco de maracuja |
| 22:12.57 | Bradipo | bife would be steak? |
| 22:12.58 | RyanE | ou feijoada e ovo frito |
| 22:12.59 | Jayce^ | sjansen, sem aquele feijão.... |
| 22:13.09 | RyanE | tenho suco de maracuja aqui em casa hoje... |
| 22:13.10 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, yes.. roughly.. |
| 22:13.18 | lars-ut | doce de mandoim |
| 22:13.23 | sjansen | Bradipo: very roughly |
| 22:13.37 | Bradipo | sjansen: Well, they have the same word ``roughly'' in Italian too. |
| 22:13.38 | Jayce^ | RyanE, é suco puro? ou da garrafa? |
| 22:13.42 | RyanE | Bradipo: a small, thin steak that they serve with the rice and beans. |
| 22:13.53 | RyanE | garrafa, concentrado. |
| 22:14.01 | Jayce^ | meh |
| 22:14.17 | lars-ut | I had a Portuguese style Steak in Fall River, Mass. |
| 22:14.26 | lars-ut | fried egg on top |
| 22:14.28 | lars-ut | yum |
| 22:14.34 | stderr | ugh. |
| 22:14.39 | lars-ut | delicious |
| 22:14.43 | stderr | I got food poisoning in Portugal. |
| 22:14.44 | Bradipo | stderr: Sounds good to me... |
| 22:14.50 | lars-ut | ouch |
| 22:14.57 | sjansen | stderr: portugal != brazil |
| 22:15.03 | Jayce^ | stderr, in brasil that's a weekly routine :-p |
| 22:15.03 | stderr | I can't even talk about Portuguese food without having flashbacks :D |
| 22:15.10 | stderr | hehe no thanks. |
| 22:15.25 | RyanE | food poisoning will change your opinion of a type of food pretty quickly. and for a surprisingly long time. |
| 22:15.41 | stderr | the food itself is probably good. But even if it's just described as Portuguese, I can't even try to stomach it. |
| 22:15.44 | Bradipo | http://www.acuccagna.com/ita/pasta_nero_seppia.htm <== pasta al nero |
| 22:15.45 | stderr | Pretty weird. |
| 22:15.46 | sjansen | Jayce^: speak for yourself, I only had food poisoning once and that was my own fault for trusting a brazilian refrigerator |
| 22:15.51 | Jayce^ | you learn to avoid 'maionaisa' :) |
| 22:16.06 | Bradipo | I only had food poisoning once, and that was because I thought I could drink the tap water... |
| 22:16.10 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you were also in the wussy climate down there :-p |
| 22:16.28 | lars-ut | which state? |
| 22:16.29 | RyanE | @Jayce^: which is the wussy climate? |
| 22:16.33 | stderr | I had to go on a field exercise two days later, and my first sergeant wouldn't take any excuses. |
| 22:16.36 | Jayce^ | southern |
| 22:16.40 | stderr | So I was pretty well camoed. With the green face and all. |
| 22:16.43 | stderr | ;P |
| 22:16.46 | sjansen | sao paulo |
| 22:16.59 | Jayce^ | sjansen, thought you were curitiba.. |
| 22:17.03 | RyanE | @Jayce^: vc foi Nordestino? |
| 22:17.05 | lars-ut | stderr: that was me |
| 22:17.09 | RyanE | e eu |
| 22:17.11 | lars-ut | oops |
| 22:17.25 | Jayce^ | RyanE, não, sou Mineiro uai! |
| 22:17.27 | RyanE | Curitiba foi eu. |
| 22:17.32 | Jayce^ | ahh |
| 22:17.34 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.36 | lars-ut | e eu |
| 22:17.37 | RyanE | tive companheiro Mineiro bem engracado. |
| 22:17.48 | Bradipo | Their own language even. :-) |
| 22:17.57 | sjansen | :-P |
| 22:17.58 | stderr | lars-ut: you were my first sergeant?! |
| 22:18.14 | lars-ut | stderr: hence my error |
| 22:18.24 | lars-ut | stderr: dismissed |
| 22:18.25 | stderr | lars-ut: roger |
| 22:18.30 | stderr | lars-ut: roger |
| 22:18.57 | RyanE | roger, Roger. What's the clearance, Clarence? |
| 22:19.16 | stderr | lars-ut: Your dad was a colonel? What type of unit? |
| 22:19.48 | lars-ut | MD - became an officer after medical school. Hospital Commander - AF. |
| 22:20.05 | stderr | Ah, nice. My Mom was going to do that, they pay for just about everything. |
| 22:20.15 | lars-ut | indeed. |
| 22:20.17 | stderr | but she got some better scholarship, unsure what it was. |
| 22:21.25 | stderr | oh, yeah, she was going to do that Northern Exposure thing, then pulled out of it because she decided to go to Anesthesology residency |
| 22:21.54 | stderr | So now she's into em for about half a million dollars or so. |
| 22:23.00 | stderr | The specialization is pretty hard, I hear. |
| 22:23.08 | stderr | I guess that's why they make absurd amounts of money. |
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| 22:23.31 | stderr | and you need like three licenses or something on top of your medical license. |
| 22:24.03 | lars-ut | no replies yet. You might be right about this, sjansen. |
| 22:27.14 | stderr | hm, interesting. Alaska has no counties. |
| 22:27.30 | lars-ut | If any of you guys are down in Springville tonight, feel free to stop by for Settlers of Catan. |
| 22:27.31 | lars-ut | Use the back door - no need to knock |
| 22:27.34 | lars-ut | Map: http://tinyurl.com/84o3t |
| 22:27.41 | lars-ut | 9pm |
| 22:28.28 | lars-ut | bring snacks if you decide to come |
| 22:31.11 | lars-ut | ~emulate Gaz |
| 22:31.13 | ibot | That was your fate of the world work!?! Jumping in a puddle!?! You do realize I'm gonna have to destroy you now. |
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| 23:18.38 | emcnabb | http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management |
| 23:18.55 | emcnabb | Mentions a few interesting things |
| 23:26.19 | maquis | emcnabb: that was really interesting |
| 23:26.23 | maquis | lots of things i didn't know |
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