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| 01:26.34 | levi | So quiet here tonight. |
| 01:40.00 | xbmodder | http://digg.com/software/Circe_-_A_new_Python_IRC_client < digg please |
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| 04:36.14 | hans | resses fast break has confirmed it: I hate nougat. |
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| 05:27.28 | maquis | (i realized today that alarm clocks are in a lose-lose situation... you get mad at them when they go off and when they fail to go off) |
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| 05:33.14 | xbmodder | hey |
| 05:33.21 | xbmodder | try it out: http://circe.nick125.com/ |
| 06:39.24 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.com/420300 |
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| 08:00.18 | goozbach | xbmodder: we get the idea |
| 08:00.32 | goozbach | give it a rest |
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| 13:36.15 | mheath | xbmodder: what is the point of running that IRC client? |
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| 13:36.27 | mheath | It's interface looks like a dumbed-down version of XChat |
| 13:36.40 | mheath | All in all, it looks exactly like XChat, minus all the features |
| 13:41.44 | mheath | xbmodder: By the way |
| 13:41.52 | mheath | Fix your ebuild |
| 13:42.12 | mheath | IE, try to make it a little less obvious that you copied and pasted it from an example. |
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| 15:22.34 | maquis | ~lart mornings |
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| 15:28.36 | sjansen | http://rlove.org/log/2005110601 |
| 15:29.07 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 15:29.21 | goozbach | ha ha @ maquis |
| 15:30.03 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 15:30.10 | maquis | is it afternoone for you currently? |
| 15:30.13 | maquis | or evening... |
| 15:30.18 | maquis | 8 hours, right? |
| 15:30.24 | maquis | (at least i don't have jet lag!) |
| 15:30.46 | goozbach | neither do I |
| 15:30.58 | goozbach | one of the pluses of being an insomniac |
| 15:30.58 | maquis | goozbach: no jet lag???? |
| 15:31.04 | maquis | haha!!!! |
| 15:31.49 | maquis | sjansen: i like that link, btw |
| 15:31.53 | vontrapp | no seleep , no lag |
| 15:32.05 | goozbach | and 7 hours |
| 15:32.23 | goozbach | but I'm not sure |
| 15:32.23 | maquis | 7? |
| 15:32.40 | goozbach | it may be 8 |
| 15:32.44 | goozbach | who know |
| 15:32.47 | goozbach | s |
| 15:32.55 | maquis | goozbach: i know it's 9 from seattle to london... |
| 15:33.44 | goozbach | that makes it 8 then |
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| 15:53.23 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 15:53.24 | ibot | my walnuts! |
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| 15:58.34 | hans | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:58.45 | hans | did you rub the ^ off? |
| 15:58.47 | goozbach | yup and that's when i said, "and furthermore, I don't like your trowers" |
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| 16:05.19 | Jayce^ | ~lart hans |
| 16:05.40 | hans | goozbach: shouldn't you be in bed or something? |
| 16:06.05 | hans | i mean, it's like 4 in the afternoon there |
| 16:08.21 | goozbach | meh |
| 16:13.08 | goozbach | I'll sleep when I'm dead |
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| 16:27.34 | sjansen | ~kill goozbach |
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| 16:40.34 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 16:41.30 | sjansen | ~haha goozbach |
| 16:41.53 | sjansen | stupid bot |
| 16:44.37 | Uncle_Jesse | woohoo! My schooling is officially finished |
| 16:44.56 | Uncle_Jesse | my work experience portfolio was finally approved, the last step towards my degree |
| 16:45.18 | sjansen | ~congratulate Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:45.42 | Uncle_Jesse | ~thank sjansen |
| 16:45.42 | ibot | bitte, Uncle_Jesse |
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| 16:45.51 | Uncle_Jesse | ~thank ibot |
| 16:45.51 | ibot | Uncle_Jesse: gern geschehen |
| 16:45.54 | wps | sjansen |
| 16:46.24 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot is slow today |
| 16:46.40 | wps | I have a question for you about the PLUG archives. You around? |
| 16:47.17 | sjansen | wps: I'm around. I'm also on hiatus from my PLUG responsiblities, but you can always ask. |
| 16:47.25 | wps | ah |
| 16:47.28 | wps | who should I ask? |
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| 16:47.56 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 16:48.01 | xbmodder_ | sup? |
| 16:48.32 | wps | something is fishy with the UPHPU archives and I was wondering if someone could give me some file/directory sizes for the PLUG archives for comparison |
| 16:48.56 | sjansen | wps: Jayce^ or me. Gabe has also volunteered to do some helping. |
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| 16:49.30 | xbmodder_ | oh |
| 16:49.39 | sjansen | Although Gabe hasn't been given access yet. |
| 16:53.23 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:53.46 | RyanE | Morning. |
| 16:53.55 | sjansen | levi, RyanE : Lies! All lies! |
| 16:54.14 | levi | sjansen: Freak! |
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| 16:55.14 | xbmodder_ | yes. |
| 17:01.26 | goozbach | evening |
| 17:01.37 | goozbach | ohh what a pretty sunset |
| 17:01.38 | sjansen | levi: Rick James! |
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| 17:16.56 | findlay | ~lart valve cover gaskets |
| 17:18.10 | sjansen | o/~ Oh Mickey you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind! ~/o |
| 17:24.04 | goozbach | oh mickey! |
| 17:24.10 | harleypig | Ain't technology grand! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1758665,00.html |
| 17:24.12 | goozbach | oh oh OH mickey |
| 17:28.15 | levi | findlay: I like valve cover gaskets. They keep my engine bay oil-free! |
| 17:31.00 | sjansen | nope |
| 17:31.11 | lars-ut | shoppin' from A to Z |
| 17:31.31 | sjansen | I was more into the Weird Al version: Hey Ricky |
| 17:31.45 | lars-ut | speaking of follow-up singles... |
| 17:32.04 | lars-ut | A-ha - The Sun Always Shines on TV |
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| 17:56.23 | findlay | levi: have you ever replaced a valve cover gasket? |
| 17:56.31 | levi | findlay: Yup. |
| 17:57.21 | sjansen | anyone know of a reformatter for relax-ng compact schema files? |
| 17:57.57 | levi | sjansen: Your scripting language of choice? |
| 17:58.20 | findlay | harleypig: £65,000?! |
| 17:58.24 | RyanE | findlay: the difficulty all depends on the location of the covers. On a transverse 6-cylinder, like our van, you can't practially do it without pulling the engine. On an old-style V8 with a huge hood, it's pretty easy. |
| 17:58.28 | findlay | for four cameras? |
| 17:58.31 | flyboy^ | http://www.miata.net/garage/valvecover/ |
| 17:59.24 | levi | sjansen: I'd probably write it in Lisp, and then what would you do? |
| 17:59.33 | findlay | RyanE: my little subaru is very accessible. I can replace just about anything without taking other things off |
| 17:59.39 | sjansen | levi: uhm... use it? |
| 17:59.49 | levi | flyboy^: I probably used that page as reference, since that's exactly the valve cover gasket I was replacing. |
| 18:00.36 | findlay | I'm just afraid that when I start taking the block apart things will fall out and I *will* have to pull the engine out to put it back together (: |
| 18:00.40 | RyanE | findlay: nice. On my former '67 Ford Galaxy I could actually climb in under the hood. :) |
| 18:02.03 | flyboy^ | IMHO There are a few things worth hiring experts for: eletrical work, plumbing, and auto repairs. |
| 18:02.48 | findlay | but OMHB, there may be other options (on my humble budget) |
| 18:03.59 | flyboy^ | Make friends with your local mechanic. If you are single, marry a girl with a mechanic brother. ;) |
| 18:05.05 | flyboy^ | Not a mechanical brother. But a brother who happens to work on cars... ahh... whatever. |
| 18:05.19 | sjansen | flyboy^: But what do you do when it's time for serious dental work? Can't very well go and marry a dentist's sister at that point, huh? |
| 18:05.56 | flyboy^ | Dentists are a scam. Do you really need teeth? |
| 18:05.57 | tensai | http://www.zend.com/zend/art/mistake.php Top 21 PHP programing mistakes. |
| 18:06.02 | tensai | cue obvious joke on #1 mistake |
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| 18:07.17 | sjansen | tensai: Oo! Oo! Pick me! Pick me! |
| 18:07.50 | flyboy^ | tensai: Is this what you meant? http://www.zend.com/zend/art/mistake2.php#Heading18 |
| 18:08.11 | sjansen | #0) Using PHP! |
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| 18:08.45 | jsmith | sjansen: The article was written in 2000 -- maybe it was OK back then :-) |
| 18:09.09 | jsmith | sjansen: Besides, you can't expect most PHP programmers to know that counting starts with 0, not 1. :-) |
| 18:09.56 | findlay | people still count with integers? |
| 18:10.09 | flyboy^ | I think the main issue is that PHP attracts the inexperienced with its ease. |
| 18:10.09 | findlay | intergers are so 1500s |
| 18:10.40 | jsmith | flyboy^: Amen. And the real "power PHP programmers" get lumped in with the "This is like VB for the web!" programmers :-) |
| 18:10.40 | RyanE | flyboy^: I disagree on the electrical work part, but other than that, I agree. :) |
| 18:10.58 | tensai | speaking of math, did anybody else do the Nerd Search yesterday? |
| 18:11.10 | flyboy^ | I live in small town Hyrum - and three of my neighbors do a bit of PHP programming on the side for goodness sakes. It's very accessible. |
| 18:11.34 | flyboy^ | RyanE: There is a lot to do with codes and stuff that having a pro I've found helps with. |
| 18:11.47 | tensai | http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2005/11/06/ |
| 18:12.08 | RyanE | flyboy^: yep, but I've wired two houses now. Once you know how, there's not much you need a licensed electrician to do. |
| 18:12.40 | tensai | RyanE: I'll agree with that. but it's the "once you know how" part that can get you. |
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| 18:13.01 | flyboy^ | RyanE: Maybe you have a natrual talent for it. The guy who wired our house did the same thing, but he did not understand building codes. |
| 18:13.16 | flyboy^ | That means some of the wiring is not up to code in our house. |
| 18:13.30 | hans | ~burn flyboy^s housw |
| 18:13.33 | RyanE | the hardest part is knowing how to wear your pants low enough to show crack, but without falling off. :) |
| 18:13.43 | RyanE | and all of my wiring is up to code. |
| 18:13.46 | flyboy^ | hans: No, I think it can do that all on it's own. thanks. |
| 18:13.58 | sjansen | tensai: that's sick, but brilliant |
| 18:14.23 | tensai | sjansen: I only finished half. don't remember enough calculus. |
| 18:14.24 | levi | findlay: You don't really have to disassemble much to change the valve cover gasket. Mostly you just remove the valve cover. |
| 18:14.31 | lars-ut | RFO on ELI outage details: |
| 18:14.35 | lars-ut | Findings: On 11/03/2005 an ELI Gateway router in Salt Lake City became un-responsive. It was determined that a flash card failure was at fault. |
| 18:14.49 | lars-ut | Ticket Details: |
| 18:14.49 | lars-ut | 12:30pmthe router appears to have crashed, I have tried to come up to slot 6 with slot 7 out of service, but it would not load. Latched 7 with flash from 6,,, would not load.... Put 6 back in with Flash from 6 back in original position... waiting to see if it comes up to this with 7 unlatched.. Have RSP in spot. |
| 18:14.49 | lars-ut | 12:49pmNo crash log on this incident. Netstats does not show this router was under an attack: no high CPU utilization... The image in slot 7 flash was old. Data Eng had SLKC tech insert slot 7 flash in Slot 1 of Card 6, reformatted the backup flash and is copying the image from slot 0 to slot 1. This should restore the router. |
| 18:14.50 | lars-ut | 12:51pmService restored. |
| 18:15.41 | lars-ut | Corrective Actions: A scheduled maintenance activity will be performed to replace the failed flash card. |
| 18:15.47 | lars-ut | that's pretty much it |
| 18:16.58 | findlay | levi: but where is the valve cover? All I can do is find the oil leak and start removing parts unknowing of their proper names |
| 18:17.22 | hans | findlay: proper names are irrelevant. good pictures and labeling can make up for that. |
| 18:17.35 | hans | if you just want to put it back together. |
| 18:17.42 | levi | findlay: The valve cover is the top layer of the engine. It goes on top of the head, which goes on top of the block. |
| 18:17.43 | hans | also important: Not stripping things. |
| 18:17.53 | findlay | hans: true but car documentation is awful |
| 18:18.05 | hans | well, you have to take the pictures and label yourself. |
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| 18:18.35 | levi | Car documentation is fine, it just assumes a certain level of competency. |
| 18:18.51 | findlay | I wish automotive documentation was as good as for software |
| 18:19.03 | levi | ... |
| 18:19.03 | findlay | levi: I don't understand |
| 18:19.08 | jsmith | findlay: You're joking ,right? |
| 18:19.51 | levi | findlay: Most automotive repair manuals assume you know a certain amount of general automotive repair knowledge. |
| 18:20.01 | findlay | if I meant (free/open source) software documentation would that be different? |
| 18:20.22 | jsmith | findlay: Some of us *do* document free/open-source software :-) |
| 18:20.45 | findlay | levi: most automotive manuals I've seen were so useless, I'd be better off just looking at the source |
| 18:20.52 | findlay | "source" |
| 18:21.22 | hans | looking at the engine is another things automotive manuals take for granted |
| 18:21.51 | findlay | I suppose what I meant to say is that at least open source documentation is made a much more systemmatic goal than cars |
| 18:21.51 | levi | findlay: Well, a lot of the Chilton-style ones have some errors, but they're generally useful for figuring out the techniques needed to take things apart, put them together, and do basic diagnostics. |
| 18:22.20 | levi | findlay: What's this 'open source documentation' stuff you keep talking about? |
| 18:22.53 | flyboy^ | levi: I think he wants a man page for his car. |
| 18:23.05 | flyboy^ | 'man valve_cover_repair' |
| 18:23.11 | findlay | if I have a 1988 Subaru GL 1.8L 4WD, where can I find the radio harness pinout? |
| 18:23.14 | findlay | nowhere |
| 18:24.33 | findlay | flyboy^: that's basically what I meant |
| 18:24.35 | levi | findlay: I'm pretty sure it's in the official factory maintenance manual. |
| 18:24.59 | levi | findlay: The official manuals are generally not cheap or easy to obtain, though. |
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| 18:27.15 | levi | http://www.books4cars.com/result2.htm?findyear=1988&Submit=Go |
| 18:28.43 | findlay | maybe I haven't used software enough to understand that the documentation isn't very good |
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| 18:36.42 | levi | findlay: Anyway, you might look around for an active Subaru owners message board and ask specific questions there. |
| 18:37.16 | levi | findlay: It's probable that someone there has chased down oil leaks before and could point you in the right direction. |
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| 19:26.24 | Uncle_Jesse | ~digg |
| 19:27.16 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot needs a digg function |
| 19:27.51 | Uncle_Jesse | left alone it should list the most popular digg for the day |
| 19:28.17 | Uncle_Jesse | with a url added it should digg a particular url |
| 19:30.36 | tensai | "patches welcome" - Tim Riker |
| 19:31.25 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: yeah - maybe I'll submit one - that would be a cool update |
| 19:31.58 | tensai | ibot already has rss code. shouldn't be too hard to extend |
| 19:32.14 | tensai | ibot: isn't that right? |
| 19:38.57 | findlay | ibot: yo |
| 19:38.58 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 19:50.39 | amcnabb | What did you do? |
| 19:50.46 | amcnabb | (never mind) |
| 19:51.02 | amcnabb | Hey, does anyone have access to RHEL images (we have a license and everything) |
| 19:51.31 | findlay | what do you mean? |
| 19:51.40 | amcnabb | CD/DVD images for RHEL 4 |
| 19:51.59 | amcnabb | Frank's out of town. |
| 19:52.26 | findlay | I'm sure the icons for CD/DVD are the same as in FC |
| 19:52.28 | findlay | ~laugh |
| 19:52.29 | ibot | ACTION rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 19:52.51 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
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| 19:54.28 | findlay | ibot: how old are you? |
| 19:54.29 | ibot | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
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| 20:02.52 | harleypig | findlay: ? |
| 20:04.05 | findlay | that's a lot of money for a swimming pool saftey solution, maybe not for a proprietary one |
| 20:12.13 | Uncle_Jesse | scary - I drove through the towns in Indiana and Kentucky just last week where that Tornado hit |
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| 20:19.53 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse driving, that is scary |
| 20:20.45 | Uncle_Jesse | yeeehaaaw!!! |
| 20:20.54 | Uncle_Jesse | I just got a 4x4 truck, too |
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| 20:30.21 | harleypig | findlay: Oh, I see ... yeahbut I'd be willing to pay extra at a pool for that setup. |
| 20:30.58 | findlay | ibot: may the force be with you |
| 20:32.50 | amcnabb | See y'all later. |
| 20:36.13 | lars-ut | ~emulate simon |
| 20:36.14 | ibot | You wanna be very careful not to touch any of the grease 'cause it's kind of hot. |
| 20:37.57 | sjansen | o/~ Under pressure. ~/o |
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| 20:45.07 | emcnabb | DUN via Treo rocks :-) |
| 20:45.19 | sjansen | http://www.epidauros.be/raid.jpg |
| 20:47.09 | emcnabb | Three out of the seven students in this class are named Eric |
| 20:47.18 | emcnabb | this is going to be a confusing week... |
| 20:47.25 | maquis | emcnabb: nice! |
| 20:47.32 | Uncle_Jesse | you should give them nicknames |
| 20:47.53 | emcnabb | They are Eric G, Eric L, and Eric B |
| 20:48.40 | emcnabb | they put that on their nametags |
| 20:48.40 | sjansen | That sounds like the setup for a Monty Python script. |
| 20:48.41 | tensai | Eric the Orchestra leader, Eric the half-a-bee, ... |
| 20:48.41 | maquis | emcnabb: if it's any consolation, my sophomore ward had 7 stephens and 9 amys |
| 20:49.01 | Tene | maquis: get that m4p file to play? |
| 20:49.08 | maquis | Tene: i gave up |
| 20:49.10 | maquis | :) |
| 20:49.21 | sjansen | ~console emcnabb |
| 20:49.49 | tensai | "are all your students called eric?" "there's nothing so odd about that. Kemal Ataturk had an entire school called Abdul." |
| 20:52.16 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.15 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 20:55.33 | sjansen | ibot: why are you ignoring me? |
| 20:55.35 | ibot | sjansen: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:55.49 | sjansen | ibot: don't play dumb with me! |
| 20:58.00 | sjansen | ~lart me |
| 20:58.07 | sjansen | oh, sure, that you'll do |
| 20:58.19 | tensai | ~play dumb with sjansen |
| 20:58.24 | sjansen | ~lart tensai |
| 20:58.37 | sjansen | that's the ibot we all know and love |
| 20:58.54 | sjansen | ~whaleslap tensai |
| 20:59.13 | harleypig | Anyone know how I add an aim buddy using jabber (I'm on jabber.plug.org) |
| 20:59.23 | sjansen | perhaps something tragic has happened to ibot's memory |
| 20:59.38 | tensai | ~unlobotomize |
| 20:59.49 | hans | harleypig: i know you should be able to |
| 20:59.58 | hans | but it's been awhile since I played with that |
| 21:00.01 | tensai | ~unlobotomy |
| 21:00.19 | tensai | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 21:00.44 | harleypig | hans: :] thanks |
| 21:00.51 | sjansen | ~seen TimRiker |
| 21:00.55 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 10h 16m 1s ago, saying: 'if you really want to get carried away use something like #oe to build a custom distro. ;-)'. |
| 21:01.22 | tensai | she pretends she knows what it is but won't whaleslap |
| 21:01.33 | tensai | <ibot> ...but cmd: whaleslap (.*?) is already something else... |
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| 21:03.30 | findlay | ibot: you're broken |
| 21:03.31 | ibot | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
| 21:03.51 | sjansen | Pac-Man Fever!!! |
| 21:05.33 | hans | lol |
| 21:06.52 | tensai | ~whaleslap something |
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| 21:24.28 | sjansen | ibot: Shout! Shout! Let it all out! |
| 21:30.18 | Jayce^ | sjansen is the thing I can do without |
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| 21:34.13 | lars-ut | what was that? |
| 21:34.38 | Jayce^ | hiccup |
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| 21:35.24 | *** join/#utah ECS (n=ecs@byu292835wks.byu.edu) |
| 21:35.34 | ECS | ~lart maquis |
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| 21:36.04 | sjansen | AAARRGGGHHH!!! |
| 21:36.35 | jsmith | sjansen: Sounds like a serious case of the Mondays. |
| 21:38.38 | sjansen | jsmith: I've really got to start keeping a work book. Most of what I've done today has been a waste. I keep cache faulting and paging back in memories from friday short after duplicating work or doing things I realizer were unnecessary last week. |
| 21:39.13 | Jayce^ | sjansen, get a nice lab book... they work great for that |
| 21:39.14 | jsmith | Yup... I don't go anywhere without my handy dandy notebook. |
| 21:40.39 | lars-ut | ~toms diner |
| 21:40.40 | ibot | somebody said toms diner was "There's a woman On the outside looking inside Does she see me? No she does not really see me cause she sees her own reflection And I'm trying not to notice that she's hitching Up her skirt And while she's straightening her stockings her hair Is getting wet Oh, this rain It will continue through the morning as I'm listening To the ... |
| 21:41.06 | Uncle_Jesse | akk! ibot flooding #utah! |
| 21:41.23 | lars-ut | nah, that was me. |
| 21:42.11 | lars-ut | ibot didn't like it when I fed her the 96 lines of text with the full lyrics |
| 21:42.31 | lars-ut | nor the ~48 lines in the reformatted version |
| 21:45.26 | jsmith | lars-ut: Good one :-) |
| 21:45.38 | jsmith | ~smurf |
| 21:45.39 | ibot | hmm... smurf is a little blue annoying thing. Especially when one has a hangover and they are singing. or an annoying network attack or check http://www.netscan.org for good smurf info, or a good weapon to use against the RIAA |
| 21:45.57 | jsmith | La la, la la la la.... la, la la la laaaah |
| 22:01.04 | lars-ut | I've never done that |
| 22:01.07 | lars-ut | hmmm... |
| 22:01.15 | lars-ut | has anyone here? |
| 22:01.33 | tensai | I've made edits but never written one from scratch |
| 22:12.13 | lars-ut | ~Blue Frog |
| 22:12.14 | ibot | it has been said that blue frog is "When it receives several complaints from a 'Do Not Intrude List', Blue Frog creates a script that bombards the spam sender, the spammer’s ISP, and the Web site of the product listed in the spam with email and Web page requests to stop sending spam to Do Not Intrude Registry members. The script is then fed to all other Blue Frog ... |
| 22:12.18 | lars-ut | http://www.bluesecurity.com |
| 22:20.49 | lars-ut | http://www.computerpoweruser.com/email.asp?emid=134654 |
| 22:21.20 | lars-ut | That's all the info I have on Blue Frog so far. |
| 22:21.56 | lars-ut | I like the idea of DDOS attacks on spammers that violate an opt-out list. Seems very market driven. |
| 22:22.19 | tensai | sounds unethical to me |
| 22:22.20 | hans | jsmith-away: when you get back, is there any secret to unauthenticated sip calls? (guest calls) |
| 22:22.25 | lars-ut | that too. |
| 22:24.02 | lars-ut | I think the methodology provides a fairly sound ethical argument. |
| 22:25.27 | lars-ut | By providing an opt-out list, spammers have the option to scrub their email addresses and avoid complaints from Blue Frog/Blue Security members. |
| 22:25.43 | lars-ut | complaints ~= attacks |
| 22:26.39 | lars-ut | The complaints also act as a deterrent for ISPs that "harbor spam". |
| 22:28.51 | RyanE | seems to me that hitting the ISP's also is the most questionable part. Of course, hitting the machine that sent the spam may also be questionable, because in most cases these days, it's a zombie network of compromised Windows PC's. |
| 22:29.41 | lars-ut | by itself, quite possibly, but the software responds in 3 ways - not just to the sending server. |
| 22:30.20 | RyanE | I would totally agree with hitting the websites where they host the 'order now' site. |
| 22:30.41 | lars-ut | most spam contain a URL. |
| 22:31.19 | RyanE | of course, if it's automated, and I were a spammer, I'd just include some valid websites in there as well, for some free carpet-bombing of microsoft.com or whatever. |
| 22:31.40 | RyanE | which would then incur the wrath of lawyers to blue frog |
| 22:31.58 | RyanE | obviously, they'd have to have thought of all this, though, if I can figure that out in 2 minutes. |
| 22:32.03 | lars-ut | Good Point. I'm curious to see how that is handled. |
| 22:32.54 | lars-ut | It seems to me that some thought has been put into the algorithm - they do have a threshold that must be met before launching an attack. |
| 22:32.56 | tensai | they say it's run through a human review process before it's escalated to a DDOS |
| 22:33.12 | lars-ut | wow. |
| 22:33.44 | RyanE | tensai: I think you'd have to, to verify that someone doesn't put the IP address of a well-known non-target in. |
| 22:34.06 | lars-ut | I'd like to be a part of that meeting. |
| 22:34.13 | RyanE | definitely an interesting 'solution'. |
| 22:34.29 | lars-ut | "Today we'll be attacking..." |
| 22:35.14 | RyanE | "the idiots down at..." |
| 22:40.42 | tensai | who has the bigger drone army, Blue Frog or spammers? |
| 22:46.00 | lars-ut | It's still a market-driven check & balance that didn't exist previously. |
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| 22:46.18 | lars-ut | I feel that is a big positive. |
| 22:46.23 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 22:46.25 | xbmodder_ | :) |
| 22:46.28 | xbmodder_ | thanks markl__ |
| 22:46.34 | xbmodder_ | ack not markl__ |
| 22:46.35 | xbmodder_ | maquis: |
| 22:46.43 | xbmodder_ | maquis: < thanks for all your advice |
| 22:46.53 | xbmodder_ | pay off it did.... |
| 22:47.38 | tensai | next step would be to release viruses that are http proxies as well. then send spams that point to all the spambots. |
| 22:48.41 | tensai | I agree we need to shift the cost of spam back to the spam source, but this sounds like an arm race that will degenerate quickly |
| 22:49.17 | xbmodder_ | tensai: there is/was a proof-of-concept transperent proxy out there. |
| 22:49.46 | xbmodder_ | it redirected google.com to a fake site |
| 22:49.57 | xbmodder_ | witha "sponsered link" searcher. |
| 22:53.47 | xbmodder_ | bye |
| 22:55.31 | sjansen | http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html |
| 22:56.18 | *** join/#utah SpecialZ (n=chatzill@128.187.133.58) |
| 22:56.50 | sjansen | 2560 x 1600 pixels, if that doesn't deserve to be labelled a controlled substance, I don't know what is |
| 22:56.57 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:57.14 | SpecialZ | It's not the size that counts . . . |
| 22:57.16 | levi | We've got a 23"er here in the lab right now. It's very nice. |
| 22:58.26 | sjansen | Of course it's not _just_ the size. It's size and pixel count. |
| 22:58.55 | levi | sjansen: The 30" only costs $2500, plus a dual-link DVI video card if you don't have one already. |
| 22:59.53 | sjansen | buddy, can you spare $2000, plus a dual-link DVI video card? I got this problem, see... |
| 23:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, those monitors are amazing. My tech lab has eight of those, it's a miracle they aren't stolen |
| 23:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I have never seen a monitor that deserved purchasing as much as those, heh |
| 23:02.03 | JoshH | ScytheBlade1: where is your lab? :) |
| 23:02.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha |
| 23:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It's actually in the very back of my school, located right next to the loading ramp... |
| 23:02.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:02.40 | Jayce^ | try playing WoW on one of those... amazing |
| 23:03.14 | JoshH | my friend got a 27" lcd tv that also works well as a monitor |
| 23:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm hoping to acquire a decent video card soon, one with a DVI out. My parents bought a HDTV for christmas last year, and it has a DVI in. |
| 23:03.18 | JoshH | and has been playing wow on it |
| 23:03.19 | JoshH | i hate him |
| 23:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I have plans so to speak, heh ;) |
| 23:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 1920x1080 over 65" of goodness |
| 23:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | JoshH, you could literally pick up one of those monitors (well, kinda, they're not small), and take all of twelve steps into a car. |
| 23:05.10 | SpecialZ | I noticed the 20" in my office has AV RCA and S Video inputs. |
| 23:05.19 | JoshH | well, i actually would never steal anything |
| 23:05.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I wouldn't either, but some of the students in the tech classes make me wonder... |
| 23:05.41 | JoshH | but i would definitely love to have one of those... *sigh* |
| 23:05.53 | SpecialZ | I might bring my little brothers gamecube in over the break. |
| 23:09.32 | jsmith-away | nick jsmith |
| 23:09.37 | jsmith | Bah... |
| 23:10.37 | tensai | jsmith: lucky it was /nick and not /msg nickserv :# |
| 23:15.49 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.24 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.40 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.40 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.44 | xbmodder | lol |
| 23:21.15 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ibot |
| 23:21.16 | ibot | somebody said ibot was a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 23:22.25 | jsmith | So, stupid ibot question -- I see jbot is hanging out in another channel, but I can't get it to respond to me -- am I just stupid? |
| 23:22.52 | maquis | jsmith: ibot hasn't been replying very well today... |
| 23:23.31 | jsmith | maquis: OK, thanks :-) |
| 23:23.35 | maquis | :) |
| 23:23.44 | maquis | ~whaleslap jsmith |
| 23:23.49 | maquis | see :) |
| 23:23.59 | tensai | ibot: wassup? |
| 23:24.00 | ibot | just chillin, tensai |
| 23:24.29 | jsmith | ibot: version |
| 23:24.30 | ibot | [version] woody 3.0 |
| 23:24.44 | tensai | ibot: rootshell ls |
| 23:35.29 | Uncle_Jesse | it's about time to bring back santabot |
| 23:43.15 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@xbmodder.us) |
| 23:43.17 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 23:48.03 | mheath | Hahaha |
| 23:48.17 | mheath | That message on the sllug mailing list from tvanry@gmail.com..... |
| 23:48.22 | mheath | Thunderbird tagged it as an e-mail scam |
| 23:50.06 | RyanE | has anyone used Fog Creek's Copilot service (used to create a simple VNC connection through firewalls)? Does anyone know a simple alternative, where the person you're helping doesn't have to poke holes through their firewall for VNC? |
| 23:50.58 | tensai | I helped write one at Novell. I don't know if they still use it. |
| 23:51.27 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 23:51.32 | tensai | google seems to think not |
| 23:52.36 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here know CSS |
| 23:52.43 | xbmodder_lappy | and preferably ajax |
| 23:52.56 | RyanE | @wps in #uphpu knows CSS fairly well. |
| 23:53.05 | tensai | RyanE: vnc can work in the reverse mode, where the server connects out to the viewer. |
| 23:53.28 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: what language are you doing the server in for ajax? there are several libraries that make it pretty easy for PHP |
| 23:53.44 | RyanE | tensai: so then I'd just have to open a hole in my firewall for the port it uses. hmmm. |
| 23:54.06 | RyanE | the copilot service is pretty slick, but the cost is just not justifiable for me. |
| 23:58.35 | *** join/#utah mrpull (i=xmjake@xmission.xmission.com) |
| 23:58.41 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, python |
| 23:59.00 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, I got the server sude stuff |
| 23:59.06 | xbmodder_lappy | just need an interface :) |
