| 00:00.05 | vontrapp | white on black |
| 00:00.11 | vontrapp | smaller |
| 00:00.16 | vontrapp | unicode |
| 00:01.24 | sjansen | nice normal font, bold is fuzzy |
| 00:01.56 | vontrapp | yeah, a little, but don't see bold often |
| 00:03.56 | sjansen | thanks for the idea to remove the scroll bar from my terminal |
| 00:05.10 | elg | besides, you trade the default ok 9x15 for the incomparable Terminus, don't you? |
| 00:06.05 | sjansen | I don't know, I find ProFont pretter comparable. Better even. |
| 00:06.09 | Uncle_Jesse | i removed scrollbar in konsole - scrollbars are such a waste of space |
| 00:06.15 | elg | de gustibus |
| 00:06.25 | elg | I've tried profont, I guess I just don't work at those small sizes |
| 00:06.35 | sjansen | ~dispute with elg |
| 00:06.37 | elg | and profont is UGLY (IMHO) at larger sizes |
| 00:07.25 | levi | Heh, this is a most excellent rant: http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.84.html#subj10.1 |
| 00:09.07 | levi | Henry Baker is awesome. Not only does he write a ton of amazing CS papers, but he also rides a unicycle! |
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| 00:12.34 | elg | levi: did you install that latest os x patch? |
| 00:12.42 | levi | elg: Not yet. |
| 00:13.28 | elg | my volume/brightness keys aren't working and I'm wondering if it's a fluke that will go away on reboot, or if there's some new setting somewhere with a bad default. |
| 00:13.50 | levi | Hmm. Do then work in conjunction with the Fn key? |
| 00:14.19 | elg | no, that's how they usually work (in my setup) |
| 00:14.22 | elg | they don't work without fn either |
| 00:15.34 | levi | Weird. |
| 00:15.56 | levi | Well, when I get around to installing the update, I'll let you know. |
| 00:16.11 | elg | and I'll let you know if I get around to rebooting before then. |
| 00:16.21 | elg | it's a bear, by the way. takes forever |
| 00:16.57 | elg | at least, it does when you're using your laptop as the usual madman I am with too little ram |
| 00:17.15 | levi | Dude, you still haven't bought a gig stick for it? |
| 00:17.43 | elg | you know me |
| 00:18.50 | levi | Yeesh. If you'd been saving for it, you could have bought it by now. |
| 00:21.54 | vontrapp | oops, he ran out of memory |
| 00:27.59 | emcnabb | has anyone here actually used Evolution's connector plugin? |
| 00:28.09 | emcnabb | just curious to hear opinions on it |
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| 00:32.22 | elg | saving... I heard of that once... |
| 00:52.24 | mheath | Mmm, I don't think I'll ever wear Utilities again. BDUs are so much more comfortable :) |
| 00:52.36 | mheath | Hahaha, motivation to change my rating to MA right there :P |
| 00:53.37 | maquis | mheath: huh? |
| 00:55.36 | mheath | maquis: BDUs are these: http://www.galaxyarmyandnavy.com/pictures/bdu_woodlandcamo.jpg |
| 00:55.51 | maquis | mmk |
| 00:56.15 | mheath | Utilities are these: http://www.ndw.navy.mil/Headquarters/Images/uniform6.jpg |
| 00:56.35 | mheath | The utilities are the standard working uniform of the Navy |
| 00:56.39 | maquis | ok |
| 00:56.42 | maquis | and MA is? |
| 00:56.50 | mheath | and the BDUs are the standard working uniform of the AF, Marine Corp, and Army |
| 00:56.52 | maquis | (i agree that the bdus look a lot more comfortable) |
| 00:56.57 | maquis | oh |
| 00:57.15 | mheath | MA is the 'rating' (job category) for a "Master at Arms", or a Navy police officer. |
| 00:57.30 | mheath | MAA is one of hte few jobs in the navy that regularly wears BDUs |
| 00:57.36 | maquis | and the MAs wear BDUs too? |
| 00:57.46 | maquis | oh... |
| 00:57.48 | maquis | cool |
| 00:57.54 | maquis | that sounds like a fun job too |
| 00:58.06 | mheath | Not really *shrug* |
| 00:58.11 | mheath | They're just like normal cops |
| 00:58.12 | maquis | what's your rating? |
| 00:58.33 | mheath | maquis: I'm going QM when I join in a few months. |
| 00:58.41 | maquis | QM? |
| 00:58.47 | maquis | oh... wait |
| 00:58.49 | maquis | quarter-master? |
| 00:58.57 | mheath | (Quartermaster - navigator, log keeper, and helmsman) |
| 00:59.05 | maquis | sweet... i got it right |
| 00:59.12 | mheath | (And painter, though everyone on a ship is a paint chipper :P ) |
| 01:00.36 | mheath | maquis: http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/165115.jpg |
| 01:00.42 | mheath | Bad picture of me in my new BDUs |
| 01:01.58 | maquis | cool |
| 01:02.32 | mheath | $350 for airline tickets... |
| 01:02.33 | mheath | meh |
| 01:06.25 | emcnabb | so I guess we won't see you on #utah much then, huh? |
| 01:07.25 | mheath | emcnabb: no, 26 DEC 05 to 2 JAN 06 you won't. |
| 01:07.49 | emcnabb | are you excited? |
| 01:07.53 | emcnabb | (I would assume so) |
| 01:08.14 | mheath | Meh, somewhat. Not excited about the amount of money I'm spending on all of this. |
| 01:09.10 | emcnabb | I don't know know what I'm doing, or what you're doing? |
| 01:09.49 | mheath | emcnabb: you don't know what I'm doing |
| 01:10.07 | emcnabb | I thought you were doing your basic training |
| 01:10.14 | emcnabb | or something along those lines |
| 01:10.30 | mheath | Not really =\ |
| 01:10.39 | mheath | emcnabb: you were the jar head, right? :) |
| 01:10.41 | emcnabb | active duty? |
| 01:11.33 | mheath | er, ex jar head :) |
| 01:11.53 | mheath | Or was that someone else? |
| 01:12.10 | emcnabb | about the whole Chinese world domination give up now there is no hope conversation? |
| 01:12.28 | mheath | Wow |
| 01:12.43 | mheath | when I asked a question that I'd think would be really quite common |
| 01:12.59 | mheath | emcnabb: erm, no. If you don't know what jar head means, you're not one :) |
| 01:13.10 | maquis | mheath: what question? |
| 01:13.25 | mheath | maquis: they have a limitation on what size the bags are that they'll check for free |
| 01:13.31 | mheath | I asked what that size was |
| 01:13.48 | mheath | I haven't even gotten to the hard question yet O.o |
| 01:14.12 | maquis | mheath: haha |
| 01:14.15 | maquis | what's the hard question? |
| 01:14.31 | mheath | maquis: if I can get their military waiver on those baggage limitations |
| 01:14.49 | mheath | (if you're gong to an official military function, or going to fill an active duty slot, they'll waive those baggage limitations) |
| 01:14.56 | emcnabb | I've always heard "jar head" used as a derogetory term (i.e. stupid) |
| 01:15.08 | emcnabb | I guess it means something elese |
| 01:15.10 | emcnabb | else |
| 01:16.35 | mheath | emcnabb: its a playfully derogetory (playfully making fun of, but not really) term for a US Marine, used by the other branches of the military. |
| 01:16.47 | emcnabb | interesting |
| 01:17.00 | mheath | (because their flat sided haircuts make their heads look like hars) |
| 01:17.01 | mheath | *jars |
| 01:17.15 | mheath | I was talking to someone in here who was an Ex-Marine |
| 01:17.21 | mheath | For some reason, I thought it was you... |
| 01:17.37 | emcnabb | no, maybe it was dataw0lf |
| 01:17.40 | maquis | mheath: might've been dataw0lf? i know he was in the military? |
| 01:17.49 | mheath | emcnabb: he was Army, not military |
| 01:17.58 | emcnabb | ok |
| 01:18.00 | mheath | er |
| 01:18.02 | mheath | *not marines |
| 01:18.14 | mheath | "he was Army, not military" doesn't make much sense :P |
| 01:18.28 | emcnabb | I don't know the lives of everyone here, I just remember that he was military something |
| 01:18.40 | mheath | emcnabb: I'm a member of the USNSCC, a youth organization, which I'm participating in primarily because doing so will make it so I start at an advanced rank when I join the US Navy in a few months |
| 01:19.04 | emcnabb | cool |
| 01:19.12 | mheath | emcnabb: I'm going to a tactical field training in Flagstaff, Arizona, in December, for a week. |
| 01:21.33 | mheath | emcnabb: starting next June, you won't see me for 2+ months |
| 01:21.40 | mheath | after which, I'll have limited connectivity. |
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| 01:41.42 | elg | that's a great quote. I might make it one of my sigs |
| 01:41.51 | maquis | elg: what quote? |
| 01:41.53 | elg | "Open source. It's not just a hobby, it's a portfolio." |
| 01:42.04 | maquis | nice |
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| 02:20.20 | elg | anyone else having major internet performance issue? |
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| 02:47.22 | amcnabb | It's hard to get dhcp to work with only 128 bytes of RAM. |
| 02:47.26 | amcnabb | That's the lesson of the day. |
| 02:48.08 | elg | I assume you mean a particular implementation of dhcp |
| 02:48.35 | maquis | elg: just something we just learned at uug |
| 02:49.09 | maquis | we also just saw the first couple of minutes of "how long it takes to open a presentation in ooimpress with 128 bytes of RAM" |
| 02:49.20 | elg | yikes |
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| 02:56.19 | sjansen | watching goozbach teach, I'm find myself waiting for him to say 'brothers and sisters, can I get an amen' |
| 02:56.32 | sjansen | ? |
| 02:56.48 | maquis | haha |
| 03:01.19 | mheath | maquis: not long at all O.o |
| 03:01.44 | maquis | mheath: not MB |
| 03:01.45 | maquis | B |
| 03:02.45 | maquis | mheath: his kernel was set to only use 128 bytes |
| 03:02.47 | mheath | oh |
| 03:02.48 | mheath | heh |
| 03:02.55 | maquis | that does make a bit of a difference |
| 03:03.01 | mheath | and it worked at all? O.o |
| 03:03.15 | maquis | well... it got killed before it loaded |
| 03:03.34 | mheath | The kernel alone requires about 4MB now |
| 03:04.44 | elg | oh bytes |
| 03:06.13 | sjansen | a virtual machine with lots of swap |
| 03:06.43 | mheath | O.o |
| 03:06.49 | mheath | ~lart Linux Kernel's Build Process |
| 03:07.10 | mheath | I finally fixed my systems date+time by syncing against NTP |
| 03:07.29 | mheath | And went to change something in my Kernel's config |
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| 03:07.42 | mheath | .....It didn't particularly like the change in the date. |
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| 03:12.43 | mheath | annoying, as I was just adding one feature. |
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| 03:15.36 | sjansen | you went back in time? |
| 03:15.43 | sjansen | no build system likes that |
| 03:15.56 | maquis | ?? |
| 03:16.46 | mheath | sjansen: Indeed. |
| 03:17.03 | mheath | So, this is what the future is like. |
| 03:19.26 | mheath | Did any of you take a look at Microsofts new(er) research operating system? |
| 03:19.26 | mheath | Slashdot was running an article baout it earlier. |
| 03:20.13 | maquis | mheath: not sure if you're thinking of the same one, but some guy from m$ research talked to us about one of them last year |
| 03:21.18 | mheath | maquis: Singularity? |
| 03:21.26 | maquis | mheath: don't remember what it was called |
| 03:21.30 | maquis | might've been |
| 03:21.45 | maquis | only runs type-safe code, is the main thing i remember |
| 03:21.54 | maquis | built on the .net platform, iirc |
| 03:22.00 | mheath | yeah |
| 03:22.08 | mheath | Very UNIX-inspired, though |
| 03:22.28 | mheath | I mean, its very object oriented, and runs on .net, and is obssesive about low-level dependability... |
| 03:22.36 | mheath | But has some very UNIXish attributes |
| 03:31.53 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
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| 03:40.05 | xbmodder_lappy | who the hell broke freenode? |
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| 03:46.56 | xbmodder_lappy | How would I (in javascript) download text from another URL? |
| 03:46.57 | xbmodder_lappy | like I want to get the contents of http://xbmodder.us/tmp/2005-02-05.001713.txt in a string? |
| 03:47.05 | sjansen | ~finger amcnabb |
| 03:47.14 | amcnabb | ~pinky sjansen |
| 03:47.38 | amcnabb | ~lart ibot |
| 03:49.36 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: all I'm aware of is xmlhttprequest |
| 03:50.23 | xbmodder_lappy | cool :-/ |
| 03:50.27 | xbmodder_lappy | what about open() |
| 03:51.09 | sjansen | xbmodder: what object's open method do you mean? |
| 03:52.20 | sjansen | in a browser, open() by itself means window.open() which I'm pretty sure isn't what you mean |
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| 03:54.05 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: yup, looks like you can get back text from xmlhttprequest |
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| 03:54.14 | sjansen | http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html <-- search for 'text/plain' on that page |
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| 03:56.58 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 03:57.00 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
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| 03:59.31 | jeb | elg: can you get to dent |
| 04:00.23 | elg | nope |
| 04:00.34 | elg | at least, I couldn't earlier |
| 04:00.37 | sjansen | as in arthur? |
| 04:00.50 | xbmodder_lappy | req.open("GET","http://xbmodder.us/tmp/2005-02-05.001713.txt",true); < gives a permission denied :-/ |
| 04:01.13 | elg | the same. or rather, the server named after him |
| 04:01.20 | jeb | not even a ping |
| 04:01.40 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: probably sandboxing |
| 04:01.54 | jeb | do amsterdam or singapore use it? |
| 04:02.01 | sjansen | unless the page was loaded from xbmodder.us it isn't going to be able to contact xbmodder.us |
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| 04:06.23 | elg | for dns, but they should be configured to fall back to vogon |
| 04:13.49 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, thanks |
| 04:14.09 | xbmodder_lappy | next time anyone sees sjansen say "Xbmodder says thanks" |
| 04:15.24 | mheath | emcnabb: WATCH TV :P |
| 04:15.42 | emcnabb | watch TV? |
| 04:15.54 | mheath | emcnabb: You not understanding my use of the term "jar head" was just made even funnier by the realization that theres a movie called "jar head" coming out tomorrow :P |
| 04:16.18 | emcnabb | oh, the Desert Storm movie? |
| 04:16.33 | emcnabb | I saw a commercial, but I didn't hear the name of the movie |
| 04:17.45 | emcnabb | night all |
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| 04:28.21 | mheath | Hmmmm |
| 04:28.31 | mheath | ~lart Gentoo |
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| 04:41.19 | roscivs | Anyone have any experience with Gigabyte wireless NICs or the rt2x00 linux driver? |
| 04:46.29 | roscivs | Or experience with any wireless cards in HostAP mode? |
| 04:47.07 | mheath | roscivs: good luck! :P |
| 05:13.37 | bigdog_ut | roscivs, no, i have only used one wireless card under linux |
| 05:24.45 | maquis | w00t! |
| 05:24.52 | maquis | i got a security project in before midnight! |
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| 05:45.55 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, hey |
| 05:45.58 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, cool-ish |
| 05:46.28 | jsmith | Hey xbmodder_lappy |
| 05:46.42 | xbmodder_lappy | sup |
| 05:47.41 | maquis | has anybody here had any experience with JCTronics? |
| 05:48.16 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Just re-installing a nameserver remotely |
| 05:49.24 | xbmodder_lappy | fun.... |
| 05:50.30 | jsmith | Yeah, except my kickstart post-install script isn't working correctly |
| 05:53.58 | mheath | Anyone know who the marine in here was? |
| 05:54.11 | mheath | I was talking to an ex-marine a few days ago... |
| 05:54.31 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 05:55.02 | bigdog_ut | nope |
| 05:55.11 | bigdog_ut | but i know a bunch |
| 05:56.27 | mheath | bigdog_ut: so do I :P |
| 05:56.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:57.28 | maquis | question for people |
| 05:57.35 | maquis | how long do uvlug meetings usually go? |
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| 05:58.16 | maquis | levi: hi |
| 06:00.20 | jsmith | maquis: The last one I went to (and spoke at) went around three hours. |
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| 06:05.44 | maquis | jsmith: cool |
| 06:06.03 | maquis | anyone out there having comcast issues? (particularly those in provo) |
| 06:08.28 | maquis | weirdness |
| 06:08.35 | maquis | i can ping google just fine |
| 06:08.37 | jsmith | What's going on? |
| 06:08.41 | maquis | but i can't get to them |
| 06:08.58 | maquis | i also have no AIM or Jabber connection |
| 06:09.20 | maquis | but... as is probably obvious... i can ssh out to tensai's machine |
| 06:09.41 | maquis | (btw, i'm not using my own router anymore... i |
| 06:09.52 | jsmith | HTTP proxy problems? |
| 06:09.56 | maquis | 'm on an actiontec that's on a qwest account because comcast just died |
| 06:10.37 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, have you looked at speakeasy (http://speakeasy.net) DSL (onelink) |
| 06:10.56 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i'm using comcast because that's what my roommates have for the tv... |
| 06:11.03 | maquis | that's interesting |
| 06:11.32 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, ack. but isn't comcast like 42.99 a month with a crappy one dynamic IP and cable. |
| 06:11.33 | maquis | do actiontecs have routing tables set on the web-config system by default? |
| 06:12.01 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: it's something around 20 for the internet if you're already paying for tv from them |
| 06:12.13 | maquis | and it doesn't go down often |
| 06:12.26 | xbmodder_lappy | I guess its different here. |
| 06:12.31 | maquis | (and when it does, i can usually jump of someone else |
| 06:12.39 | xbmodder_lappy | do you have an SLA? |
| 06:12.42 | maquis | SLA? |
| 06:12.51 | xbmodder_lappy | (gaurantee of upness) |
| 06:12.54 | maquis | dunno |
| 06:13.33 | maquis | brb |
| 06:13.58 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 06:14.55 | maquis | back |
| 06:14.57 | maquis | comcast's back |
| 06:15.23 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 06:15.24 | jsmith | maquis: Sounds like you were getting the infamous Actiontec - DNS server issue |
| 06:15.57 | maquis | ummm |
| 06:16.06 | maquis | does gaim usually just... disappear? |
| 06:16.21 | jsmith | With the Actiontec - DNS server issue, yes |
| 06:16.43 | jsmith | Been there, done that, chucked the Actiontec, never looked back |
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| 06:22.15 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 06:23.14 | jsmith | Howdy |
| 06:23.49 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, PARTY ON! |
| 06:30.54 | tensai | the dns resolver on the actiontec is not worth a steaming pile of horse manure |
| 06:31.08 | tensai | on a good day |
| 06:31.21 | jsmith | Amen. |
| 06:32.03 | tensai | I spent a good chunk of yesterday fixing my actiontec. I reset it to factory defaults but it's like it won't really revert all the way. |
| 06:32.18 | tensai | I ended up putting my wrt54g in as a second router just to get a functioning network |
| 06:34.17 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 06:34.22 | jsmith | tensai: Then get yourself a 678 |
| 06:34.54 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 06:36.21 | maquis | does anybody have a copy of the dilbert comic where he's talking to tech support and he's got his feet up and is telling them "yup... doing that right now"? |
| 06:36.49 | maquis | nm |
| 06:36.52 | maquis | i think i found it |
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| 06:48.20 | Hhhhh | hmm, anybody using ubuntu here? |
| 06:48.49 | Hhhhh | or anybody who has used ubuntu? |
| 06:49.13 | maquis | Hhhhh: i used it for a week or so |
| 06:49.28 | Hhhhh | your veredict? |
| 06:49.45 | maquis | Hhhhh: like i said... i used it for a week... it didn't last very long |
| 06:49.52 | Hhhhh | what are you using now? |
| 06:50.01 | maquis | i installed it in a week, and switched off at the next weekend |
| 06:50.10 | maquis | i've been running fedora since then |
| 06:50.16 | Hhhhh | you know, same here |
| 06:50.24 | maquis | feeling fickle about it... |
| 06:50.35 | Hhhhh | I've used Fedora for a while, installed kubuntu, looked nice but didn't spend much time in it |
| 06:51.02 | maquis | i'm thinkng about sticking freebsd on here when i get the chance... |
| 06:51.05 | Hhhhh | a few things didn't work, decided to switch back to FC4 since I don't care much about distro tweaking |
| 06:51.06 | maquis | probably for next semester |
| 06:51.59 | Hhhhh | I lost my interest of getting things to work or discovering things about distros |
| 06:52.23 | Hhhhh | now I just want something that won't require much time to get it to do what I want |
| 06:52.24 | maquis | i don't mind it too much, if they'll let me |
| 06:52.29 | Hhhhh | i'm not up for learning curves |
| 06:52.42 | Hhhhh | just switched back to FC4 since i'm more familiar |
| 06:52.52 | Hhhhh | kubuntu looked nice though |
| 06:53.12 | maquis | the problem is, i'm having issues with areas that fedora tries to make everything into a "you don't need/want to know how to do that" type of thing... |
| 06:53.22 | maquis | (i'm coming from gentoo, so my view might be a bit skewed on that) |
| 06:53.25 | Hhhhh | like what |
| 06:53.25 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 06:53.29 | Hhhhh | never tried gentoo |
| 06:53.36 | Hhhhh | i think I never will |
| 06:53.40 | jsmith | maquis: Like what? |
| 06:53.52 | maquis | trying to recompile the kernel in fc4 was a nightmare that i finally gave up on |
| 06:54.03 | jsmith | What's so hard about it? |
| 06:54.12 | maquis | jsmith: i wanted to start with the existing kernel |
| 06:54.22 | maquis | because i liked almost everything, but wanted to change 1 setting |
| 06:54.31 | jsmith | Install the kernel-source RPM, patch the spec file, and rebuild. |
| 06:55.14 | jsmith | Or, just install the -devel kernel, change your .config, and run "make oldconfig" |
| 06:55.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, gentoo is beautiful |
| 06:55.34 | maquis | jsmith: what do you mean by "patch the spec file"? i got the kernel rpm, and i went in, and there were over a hundred patches that hadn't been applied yet and needed to be applied |
| 06:56.10 | maquis | so, i finally got things how i wantd... and i went to make the initrd (because it was a different version), and it just wouldn't... etc |
| 06:56.19 | maquis | it was all so easy in gentoo |
| 06:56.47 | Hhhhh | xbmodder_lappy, it probably is, but I'm not up for learning the subtleties of gentoo and for the install |
| 06:56.57 | jsmith | What I'm trying to get at is this -- were you just trying to rebuild the kernel, or rebuild the kernel RPM? |
| 06:57.07 | maquis | jsmith: i think i tried both |
| 06:57.17 | maquis | i tried a bunch of things that i found online for how to do it |
| 06:57.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, I will install it for you |
| 06:57.28 | maquis | they all seemed like an awful lot of work |
| 06:57.37 | maquis | :) |
| 06:57.37 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... I've never had problems doing either one. |
| 06:57.49 | jsmith | Sorry to hear you had so much trouble with it. |
| 06:58.04 | maquis | that's something that was easy in all the other distros i've tried |
| 06:58.09 | Hhhhh | xbmodder_lappy, thx, I think I'll pass, I'm already used to FC4 and I'm not really interested in distro shopping |
| 06:58.34 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, you can use xen you know? |
| 06:58.57 | Hhhhh | yea, but I don't care about learning xen either ;) <= ultra-lazy |
| 06:59.05 | maquis | Hhhhh: haha |
| 06:59.15 | maquis | you're missing out on all the fun, though |
| 06:59.23 | Hhhhh | I like to do programming, that's where I find the fun |
| 06:59.40 | maquis | Hhhhh: i like programming, but i like messing around with my computer too |
| 06:59.52 | Hhhhh | maquis, if I had time, I would too |
| 07:00.17 | Hhhhh | but I'm getting all my grad school applications ready and I don't have much time to spare |
| 07:00.28 | maquis | Hhhhh: ah |
| 07:00.35 | Hhhhh | I have 2 boxes and one work laptop, 2 running windows XP and one FC4 |
| 07:01.23 | Hhhhh | probably some time I'll give gentoo a try, maybe |
| 07:01.57 | Hhhhh | xbmodder_lappy, how much faster is a custom-compiled install compared to an RPM install? |
| 07:02.11 | Hhhhh | average in general, gentoo vs FC4? |
| 07:02.26 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, GRP |
| 07:02.35 | Hhhhh | GRP? |
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| 14:22.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 14:22.59 | xbmodder_lappy | morning |
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| 17:11.31 | sjansen | o/~ Whistling, whistling, whistling in the dark. ~/o |
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| 17:19.34 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.34 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.06 | sjansen | RyanE: I hope you're right, otherewise I was about to slap maquis. |
| 17:22.25 | maquis | RyanE: yup |
| 17:24.27 | maquis | hmm |
| 17:25.23 | maquis | in a discussion regarding writing to memory beyond the end of an array: "if you're lucky, it won't crash" |
| 17:26.13 | findlay | you only say that because you;ve had no luck lately |
| 17:26.35 | maquis | findlay: i'd rather have the program crash and *tell* me there's a problem |
| 17:26.55 | findlay | it'll work for me if I'm lucky |
| 17:28.33 | sjansen | findlay: experience has taught that maquis has the better definition of "luck" |
| 17:28.51 | sjansen | non-deterministic behavior is generally considered an undesirable attribute in most software |
| 17:29.56 | findlay | because it is contingent upon the serendipity of the developer |
| 17:30.42 | sjansen | Unimplemented block at relaxng.c:8800 <-- bummer |
| 17:30.54 | RyanE | and for those of you who don't have perfect karma, it's a bummer. :) |
| 17:34.37 | maquis | sjansen: i have a better definition of luck? |
| 17:35.12 | maquis | RyanE: can i have some perfect karma? |
| 17:35.29 | maquis | sjansen: what's that from? |
| 17:36.21 | sjansen | maquis: ??? |
| 17:36.39 | maquis | sjansen: the unimplemented block... |
| 17:36.56 | sjansen | xmllint |
| 17:36.58 | RyanE | maquis: your definition of luck being that the program crashes. |
| 17:37.09 | maquis | RyanE: ah... |
| 17:37.11 | RyanE | maquis: others' definition of luck being that it doesn't. |
| 17:37.24 | maquis | well... if you have my karma........ |
| 17:37.37 | graphyx | ~invoke jsmith |
| 17:37.38 | RyanE | maquis: esp. your new machine / distro / kernel compilation karma |
| 17:38.58 | graphyx | Anyone know how to get ahold of jsmith? I want to get a consulting bid for for asterisk stuff. |
| 17:39.24 | sjansen | RyanE: don't forget her unfortunate experience with a chihuahua a taco and a bucket of glue |
| 17:39.29 | graphyx | Or if anyone else has a high degree of experience and feels they could get two digium cards for local and pri T1 lines working... |
| 17:39.30 | graphyx | let me know. |
| 17:39.43 | graphyx | ~invoke hans |
| 17:40.00 | RyanE | sjansen: who doesn't have one of those experiences? :) |
| 17:40.42 | maquis | chihuahua? huh? |
| 17:41.18 | RyanE | but mine was a shitzu, rubber cement, and a $20 DVD player. same diff. |
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| 17:55.31 | findlay | because it depends on the serendipity of the programmer |
| 17:58.12 | findlay | programmers abounding in luck will never have to worry about writing beyond the end of arrays, or before the beginning for that matter |
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| 18:03.01 | RyanE | programmers abounding in luck will be writing in a language that takes care of that for them, won't they? |
| 18:04.32 | findlay | but is memory management panacaea when you don't need it because you're lucky? |
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| 18:13.05 | mheath | >.> |
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| 18:15.11 | mheath | How often do you think pharmacists mess up, and count the wrong number of pills? |
| 18:15.53 | elg | once, if they're caught? |
| 18:16.28 | mheath | but I did't count them when I got them, so I'm not sure if the pharmacists messed up, or...... |
| 18:17.56 | RyanE | I suspect they're off by 1 occasionally, without too many issues. They *are*, however, trained to count *extremely* well, and they get a lot of practice :) |
| 18:18.15 | mheath | RyanE: 4 pills disappeared. |
| 18:18.25 | mheath | Of Lortab |
| 18:18.57 | mheath | Which makes me upset, mainly because 1) My dad was getting mad at *me* because I didn't count them, and I left them on the counter which isn't a "safe place" |
| 18:19.22 | mheath | and 2) Thats a days worth of the painkillers that I might be relying on when I get my wisdom teeth out in a few days |
| 18:20.19 | RyanE | yeah, I'd think 4 pills off would be pretty unusual... |
| 18:20.29 | elg | i didn't take a quarter of my pain pills when I got my wisdom teeth out |
| 18:20.31 | goozbach | and 3) thats about $75 worth of drugs on the street |
| 18:20.33 | elg | I think you might survive. |
| 18:20.45 | RyanE | mheath: on the other hand, you may not need them. When I had my wisdom teeth out, they only hurt for 1 day, with Tylenol / Codeiene. |
| 18:21.07 | RyanE | and I had some vicious Wisdom teeth (1 had to be cut into 4 pieces) |
| 18:22.36 | findlay | I got paid $200 to participate in some drug study, only needed one pill. Must have been the placebo. |
| 18:23.24 | findlay | quick, everybody relate some anecdote about their wisdom teeth operation |
| 18:24.20 | goozbach | I got put under and don't remeber a thing |
| 18:24.31 | mheath | I think I know who took these, too, if anyone..... |
| 18:25.00 | sjansen | probably best to talk with your parents then, not #utah |
| 18:25.09 | goozbach | aparently I called my then-girlfriend and confessed my undying love for her while still under the influence of the anthesia |
| 18:25.10 | elg | I had to climb under my car afterwards and hit the solenoid with a hammer to get home |
| 18:25.15 | mheath | sjansen: My parents don't care :) |
| 18:26.18 | elg | a big guy climbing under a volkswagen beetle with a throbbing face is not fun |
| 18:26.39 | findlay | what's the solenoid for? |
| 18:27.31 | Bradipo | I recall we had a discussion here about someone getting into ``ex input mode'' |
| 18:27.33 | sjansen | I'd be concerned. |
| 18:27.36 | Bradipo | At least I think it was here... |
| 18:27.38 | elg | to start the car |
| 18:27.41 | Bradipo | Anyone recall how to get out of it? |
| 18:27.53 | Bradipo | Short of killing vi? |
| 18:28.00 | elg | bradipo |
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| 18:28.01 | elg | vi |
| 18:28.02 | sjansen | :q should do the trick |
| 18:28.09 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 18:28.09 | elg | :vi, but the colon is already tehre |
| 18:28.12 | findlay | |
| 18:28.18 | Bradipo | :vi doesn't work. |
| 18:28.19 | elg | it's always worked for me |
| 18:28.25 | Bradipo | Neither does :q |
| 18:28.28 | elg | try :visual then |
| 18:28.35 | Bradipo | It displayed: Entering ex input mode. |
| 18:28.49 | Bradipo | elg: No go on that either. |
| 18:28.51 | elg | wierd. I'd think :q would work. |
| 18:28.57 | elg | (to exit, obviously) |
| 18:29.02 | elg | well it's apparent that it's time to switch to emacs |
| 18:29.05 | Bradipo | Well, I'm in some weird ``ex input mode'' |
| 18:29.08 | elg | vi hates you. |
| 18:29.08 | Bradipo | Not normal vi input mode. |
| 18:29.13 | Bradipo | lol |
| 18:29.15 | elg | I've been in ex mode lots of times |
| 18:29.19 | elg | and :vi always works. |
| 18:29.23 | Bradipo | I'm not in ex mode... |
| 18:29.24 | findlay | nah, just killall -9 it! |
| 18:30.00 | tensai | Bradipo: I found the mode you mean, and now I'm stuck |
| 18:30.02 | Bradipo | In fact, the following appears relevant: |
| 18:30.06 | Bradipo | http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/vi/ex/ex_append.c?rev=1.10.4.1&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup |
| 18:30.22 | Bradipo | If you look for ``Entering ex input mode'' and read the commend above it... |
| 18:30.57 | Bradipo | So, I'm in an ``append mode'' according to that comment. |
| 18:31.21 | Bradipo | And yet, the information message doens't help as they suggest it would. |
| 18:31.30 | Bradipo | tensai: How did you get into it? |
| 18:31.31 | tensai | Bradipo: ctrl-d |
| 18:31.38 | Bradipo | I tried ctrl-d already... |
| 18:31.51 | Bradipo | It just puts a ctrl-d character in the screen. |
| 18:31.57 | tensai | started ex, typed :in |
| 18:32.06 | tensai | maybe this is different then |
| 18:32.13 | Bradipo | When you did that, did it print ``Entering ex input mode'' ? |
| 18:32.28 | tensai | no |
| 18:32.33 | Bradipo | Then its different. |
| 18:32.42 | sjansen | ^c q! got me out of tensai's mode |
| 18:32.56 | Bradipo | sjansen: ctrl-c did it! |
| 18:33.12 | findlay | heh |
| 18:33.13 | tensai | ctrl-c enter seems to work to |
| 18:33.14 | Bradipo | I was afraid to hit ctrl-c because I didn't want to lose what I was working on. |
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| 18:33.36 | Bradipo | Too bad this isn't documented anywhere in the man pages... |
| 18:33.40 | Bradipo | At least not that I could see. |
| 18:33.41 | sjansen | now to undo the damage we did ;-) |
| 18:34.01 | elg | ~undo sjansen |
| 18:34.07 | sjansen | ~erase elg |
| 18:34.21 | sjansen | ~purge elg |
| 18:34.29 | Bradipo | Yeah, at least the damage is only a bunch of extra lines filled with attempts to exit that mode. |
| 18:34.39 | Bradipo | Wow. vi has some secret deep dark keys. |
| 18:34.43 | tensai | $ strings vim |grep 'Entering ex input mode' |
| 18:34.47 | Bradipo | I don't even know how I got into it in the first place. |
| 18:34.52 | tensai | yield nothing. I don't think vim has that message |
| 18:35.08 | tensai | so I think that mode I was in is the same |
| 18:35.15 | Bradipo | That's possible. |
| 18:35.39 | sjansen | q: Who many #utah members does it take to use an editor? a: 4 <insert punch line> |
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| 18:36.09 | elg | ~punch sjansen |
| 18:36.13 | Bradipo | sjansen: To be fair, I did try to search the archives using google and site:ibot.rikers.org |
| 18:36.18 | elg | ibot, hello? |
| 18:36.19 | ibot | Howdy Bub |
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| 18:36.22 | Bradipo | Maybe it wasn't discussed here before after all... |
| 18:36.25 | elg | ibot, you're worthless. |
| 18:37.09 | tensai | elg: pot, kettle. kettle, pot. |
| 18:37.11 | tapH20guru | anyone here using osx86? |
| 18:37.21 | elg | are you calling me a bot? :) |
| 18:37.39 | tensai | elg: oh, no! just worthless. |
| 18:37.40 | RyanE | that's like the bot calling the elg black. |
| 18:38.05 | elg | a black moose |
| 18:38.22 | sjansen | for I in $(ldd $(which vim) | awk '{print $3}'); do echo strings $I | grep -i 'Entering ex input mode'; done |
| 18:38.23 | elg | well I do have a few black stripes on my shoes |
| 18:38.40 | findlay | although at least you grant him the property of associativity |
| 18:39.48 | findlay | the string as a whole may not appear in the source? or binary? |
| 18:40.08 | sjansen | Bradipo: not a criticism, just noted that the situation seemed vaguely humorous |
| 18:40.50 | Bradipo | sjansen: No criticism taken. Just pointing out that I did at least ``search the archives.'' :-) |
| 18:41.03 | Bradipo | And yes, it was humorous. |
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| 19:12.07 | sjansen | ~lart math |
| 19:12.43 | findlay | ~lart quantum field theory |
| 19:33.57 | graphyx | ~lart venn diagrams |
| 19:35.16 | elg | there's a lot of things you don't know about ibot |
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| 19:59.52 | sjansen | there are things ibot doesn't know about herself |
| 19:59.54 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 19:59.55 | ibot | I'm female |
| 20:00.17 | sjansen | for example, is she really female? |
| 20:00.24 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 20:00.25 | ibot | I'm female |
| 20:00.31 | findlay | ha |
| 20:00.36 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot's transgender |
| 20:00.42 | sjansen | maybe she's finally settled on a gender for herself... |
| 20:01.48 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 20:01.49 | ibot | I'm male |
| 20:01.51 | goozbach | ~gendre |
| 20:01.55 | sjansen | nope, I guess not |
| 20:02.11 | findlay | ~legendre |
| 20:02.17 | findlay | ~wiki legendre |
| 20:02.46 | Tene | How informative |
| 20:02.51 | Tene | ~wiki xlsqbq |
| 20:03.21 | findlay | ~wiki Legendre |
| 20:03.55 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i just had an interview with apple |
| 20:03.59 | TheDiff|pshyeah | it was hot |
| 20:04.04 | findlay | legendre was a genius |
| 20:04.18 | findlay | and TheDiff|pshyeah just interviewed an apple |
| 20:04.26 | findlay | like Newton, I suppose |
| 20:04.31 | Uncle_Jesse | TheDiff|pshyeah: tell us more about it |
| 20:04.33 | TheDiff|pshyeah | yes, thats exactly what i said |
| 20:04.43 | TheDiff|pshyeah | well the apple was a granny smith apple |
| 20:04.50 | TheDiff|pshyeah | green and delicious |
| 20:05.02 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i probably shouldnt have ate it after the interview |
| 20:05.16 | TheDiff|pshyeah | that will severely hurt my chances of employment |
| 20:05.36 | Uncle_Jesse | not a macintosh apple eh? |
| 20:05.44 | TheDiff|pshyeah | thos are so 1980s |
| 20:05.57 | TheDiff|pshyeah | haha |
| 20:06.01 | Uncle_Jesse | they're making a come-back, you know? |
| 20:06.01 | TheDiff|pshyeah | but seriously it went well |
| 20:06.07 | TheDiff|pshyeah | yeah |
| 20:06.10 | TheDiff|pshyeah | they are doing well |
| 20:06.25 | Uncle_Jesse | they do a fun interview? |
| 20:06.28 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i interviewed for the hardware engineering devision |
| 20:06.29 | TheDiff|pshyeah | yeah |
| 20:06.33 | TheDiff|pshyeah | really laid back |
| 20:06.43 | TheDiff|pshyeah | except he couldnt answer most of my questions |
| 20:06.55 | TheDiff|pshyeah | due to apple being mega secretive |
| 20:07.45 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - you couldn't sign an nda? |
| 20:08.13 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i dont think they would do that until i'm actually an employee |
| 20:08.53 | Uncle_Jesse | probably a good idea anyway |
| 20:09.43 | Uncle_Jesse | there are probably monkeys in some locked room there working on just that |
| 20:10.07 | TheDiff|pshyeah | haha |
| 20:10.37 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i should have asked if the x86 release of OSX will run on all intel processors |
| 20:10.41 | Uncle_Jesse | think PSP, but white |
| 20:10.58 | TheDiff|pshyeah | i heard they were going to have some kind of lock so it would only run on apple machines |
| 20:11.16 | TheDiff|pshyeah | even though you would run windows on the new hardware |
| 20:11.17 | Uncle_Jesse | TheDiff|pshyeah: that's what I hear too - would make sense |
| 20:11.29 | Uncle_Jesse | not that people aren't already running it on x86 machines |
| 20:11.35 | TheDiff|pshyeah | yeah |
| 20:11.46 | Uncle_Jesse | I buy Mac for the whole machine though, not just the software |
| 20:12.00 | Uncle_Jesse | they make a very well built machine, software, hardware, and all |
| 20:12.03 | TheDiff|pshyeah | yeah, they are all about the 'total experience' |
| 20:12.09 | Uncle_Jesse | yup |
| 20:12.23 | Uncle_Jesse | I was impressed by all the attention to details on my ibook |
| 20:12.24 | TheDiff|pshyeah | which is why ipod does so well |
| 20:12.27 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 20:12.52 | TheDiff|pshyeah | great hardware, user interface, but even more importantly the connection with the PC and the music management software |
| 20:13.10 | TheDiff|pshyeah | most people who complaine about music players dont complain about the player itself, but the shitty software that comes with it |
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| 20:57.33 | jebar | elg: got a minute for sametime |
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| 21:00.49 | emcnabb-treo | levi, I just met someone here at the airport (in Baltimore) from Linux Networx: Josh Aune (I think that's his name) |
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| 21:04.32 | findlay | Beethoven rocks |
| 21:05.01 | jsmith | No, geology rocks. Beethoven was a composer. |
| 21:06.24 | tensai | ~wake up graphyx |
| 21:06.59 | jsmith | tensai: He's awake :-) |
| 21:07.10 | jsmith | tensai: He's drooling over hardware specs right now |
| 21:07.15 | tensai | jsmith: he was looking for you earlier |
| 21:07.20 | jsmith | tensai: He found me. |
| 21:07.27 | tensai | jsmith: I assumed |
| 21:07.31 | jsmith | tensai: That's why he's drooling over hardware specs |
| 21:07.36 | tensai | jsmith: nice :) |
| 21:11.19 | jsmith | goozbach: I'm jealous. |
| 21:13.11 | goozbach | what kind of cd? |
| 21:13.30 | goozbach | if you say music, I'll laugh |
| 21:13.40 | goozbach | that's what bittorrent is for :) |
| 21:13.59 | jsmith | Yes, music cd. |
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| 21:20.37 | Uncle_Jesse | it's so much more fun to own the music you play |
| 21:20.49 | Uncle_Jesse | well, own the license |
| 21:23.38 | graphyx | tensai: Did you need something for me? Or just letting me know you found jsmith |
| 21:23.38 | graphyx | ? |
| 21:25.16 | jsmith | goozbach: Buy me a couple of "La Oreja de Van Gogh" cds, and I"ll pay you back |
| 21:25.40 | goozbach | jsmith: you can't find that here? |
| 21:25.54 | jsmith | goozbach: I probably could... haven't really tried. |
| 21:25.56 | goozbach | I'm SURE that the virgin store has them |
| 21:26.18 | jsmith | Yeah, but its easier to have you pick them up in Spain than for me to drive all the way downtown... |
| 21:28.40 | Uncle_Jesse | weird - my screensaver isn't turning on |
| 21:30.25 | tensai | graphyx: yeah, that was it |
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| 21:49.08 | jebar | elg: ping |
| 21:51.10 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 21:51.16 | mheath | Anyone have any experience with cross compiling kernels? |
| 21:51.58 | mheath | ooh, nevermind! |
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| 22:12.30 | Uncle_Jesse | what do you all use in linux to connect to your ipods? |
| 22:13.31 | spr | gtkpod |
| 22:17.34 | tensai | mount & rsync, but then mine's not an iPod(tm) |
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| 22:18.54 | Uncle_Jesse | can you use mount and rsync w/ an ipod? |
| 22:19.13 | tensai | wow, that was horrible. arts freaked out and started playing really loud static and eating 100% cpu |
| 22:19.52 | Uncle_Jesse | are there any cool guis for the ipod? |
| 22:19.53 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: yes, but it won't update the database of songs. any songs you add that way won't appear on the iPod |
| 22:20.37 | tensai | but it'll work for using as a general purpose storage device |
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| 22:26.48 | Tene | Is there a way to set the mtime of a file? |
| 22:27.47 | jsmith | touch -t, I think |
| 22:28.13 | jsmith | as in touch -t 200012311800 employees.txt |
| 22:29.13 | levi | ~seen hans |
| 22:29.23 | ibot | hans <i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 58m 33s ago, saying: 'wisconsin gives out masters? '. |
| 22:29.23 | tensai | levi: elg |
| 22:29.54 | levi | elg: I just did the OS X update. Didn't take too long, and my display and volume keys still work. |
| 22:32.24 | elg | jebar: pong |
| 22:32.42 | elg | levi: that's good, I just got it to work again (cut all power, that seems to have done the trick) |
| 22:33.12 | levi | elg: Glad you got it working again. You need more ram, though. :) |
| 22:33.30 | elg | yeah, it's on my christmas/birthday list. :) |
| 22:34.09 | elg | speaking of ram, do you know if spotlight uses any (when it's not running) |
| 22:34.13 | elg | not being used I mean |
| 22:34.32 | levi | Sweet, a copper car: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000220066559/ |
| 22:34.41 | levi | elg: I dunno. |
| 22:44.48 | jebar | elg: chat on sametime whan you get a chance |
| 22:45.17 | elg | #wencor |
| 22:47.24 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:48.49 | mheath | I'll upload one to look at, if anyone is interested |
| 22:49.14 | Bradipo | levi: That's a sweet look. |
| 22:49.14 | mheath | Unfortunately, I forgot my thumb drive, so I only have a sub-par laser printout of one. |
| 22:49.39 | Bradipo | I wonder how much copper it would take to polish my Ford Festiva with it! |
| 22:50.01 | Bradipo | Of course, then I would have to worry about copper corrosion. |
| 22:50.26 | elg | nah, just go for the natural copper-green color |
| 22:50.53 | levi | That car is actually made of copper, though, not just plated with it. |
| 22:51.06 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 22:51.16 | Bradipo | That's pretty slick looking. |
| 22:51.21 | levi | At an old aircraft factory in Poland. By a Utah company, actually. |
| 22:51.38 | levi | Their main business is Cobra replicas. |
| 22:54.52 | mheath | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/vdesk.jpg |
| 22:55.09 | mheath | Had to print it off on a horrible laser printer, as I forgot my thumb drive |
| 22:56.13 | mheath | I'm playing with several ideas, all more-or-less similar to that. |
| 22:57.21 | mheath | All the LCDs+touchscreens in that picture are part of the same one |
| 22:57.25 | mheath | Just devided |
| 22:57.46 | mrpull- | mheath? why divide it? |
| 22:58.02 | mrpull- | remember the old palms that had all that wasted space on the input area? |
| 22:58.23 | mheath | mrpull-: Well, I think, I'm definitely getting rid of that Text Entry Display |
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| 22:58.36 | sjansen | look like tomorrow is the 400th anniversary of guy fawke's day |
| 22:58.43 | mheath | The Auxilery Display, though, is somewhat necessary for the way I invision the software for this thing. |
| 22:58.44 | sjansen | on the british |
| 22:59.13 | mheath | I've played with the idea of a single display, though...... |
| 22:59.29 | mheath | adding extra input buttons/analog inputs (for gaming, etc) |
| 23:01.25 | elg | levi: hands down the best part about 10.4.3 is that X apps come to the front when you cmd-tab to X |
| 23:01.58 | levi | elg: Hmm. I almost never use X, but that's cool. |
| 23:02.19 | sjansen | that's a nice looking car |
| 23:02.22 | mheath | I've been playing with a prototype of the basics of the hardware that would drive this thing |
| 23:02.43 | mheath | I hope to have a 100% working, complete prototype within a year, though |
| 23:03.19 | mrpull- | whoa... that is optimistic. are you going to use an embedded OS? |
| 23:03.40 | sjansen | mrpull-: psychic hamsters |
| 23:04.08 | elg | sjansen: that may work for a copper car, but they might get cramped in a laptopthingie |
| 23:04.09 | mheath | mrpull-: It's running Linux, but most of the software will be java powered. |
| 23:04.15 | elg | a heathtop |
| 23:05.07 | mheath | elg: Nope :) A Wireless Tablet LitePC |
| 23:05.14 | mrpull- | what does that little nokia wireless computer use? |
| 23:05.35 | mheath | Probably Linux. I don't know. |
| 23:05.36 | sjansen | linux + gtk |
| 23:06.57 | mheath | elg: it's a full personal computer, but is somewhat limited.... |
| 23:07.04 | mrpull- | how big? |
| 23:07.39 | mheath | elg: It's designed to be connected to a somewhat powerful server, to extend it's abilities. |
| 23:08.26 | mheath | mrpull-: Physical size, or technical properties? |
| 23:10.37 | mheath | I'm looking at about 12 x 8 inches, and 1.5 inches thick. |
| 23:11.02 | mheath | It'll either use an ARM processor, or an Intel XScale, around 400Mhz. |
| 23:11.20 | mheath | 64MB of RAM. |
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| 23:16.12 | mrpull- | why wouldn't I just use my laptop or PDA? |
| 23:16.20 | mrpull- | my laptop is smaller and more powerful. |
| 23:21.44 | levi | mrpull-: You wouldn't use it, unless you went back to a high school that bought them for its students. |
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| 23:32.29 | vontrapp | ~hug imms |
| 23:33.37 | vontrapp | it stinkin' rocks, so much that it makes a silly hack-job music player that uses system('play') the rockinest player ever when it interfaces cleanly with imms |
| 23:33.52 | vontrapp | ahh |
| 23:33.55 | vontrapp | i love it |
| 23:35.13 | mrpull- | sweet. i just got a popup ad in firefox 1.5RC. I haven't seen one of those for a while. |
| 23:38.34 | maquis | ok... has anybody here seen the dance video that was recorded in halo live? |
| 23:38.46 | maquis | i'm trying to find the link, and not having much luck |
| 23:38.54 | RyanE | maquis: like Red vs Blue type thing? |
| 23:39.05 | maquis | RyanE: don't think that's what it was.. |
| 23:39.16 | RyanE | I'm sure it wasn't, but that 'sort' of thing? |
| 23:39.24 | maquis | .it was a bunch of people playing halo live, who got bored, and created a music video |
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