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| 00:22.40 | jsmith | Stupid question... anybody know the opposite of CTRL-A in vim? (For those of you who don't know, CTRL-A will increment the next number it finds on the current line -- I'd like to decrement the number) |
| 00:38.03 | goozbach | ctrl x |
| 00:39.29 | jsmith | goozbach: Thanks! |
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| 00:49.01 | jsmith | goozbach: You're a genius! |
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| 00:57.09 | Maquis | ~seen tensai |
| 00:57.12 | ibot | tensai <n=tensai@207.141.37.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 13m 10s ago, saying: 'I knew that was true, but I didn't realize the extent of it'. |
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| 01:05.54 | hans | ok, what do I have to sacrifice to the idols to get gnucash to print the line items on my invoice in date-order? |
| 01:08.09 | Maquis | your firstborn? |
| 01:08.13 | Maquis | hopefully not |
| 01:09.36 | Maquis | hans: how old is your son now? |
| 01:09.50 | Maquis | i remember seeing pictures when he was first born |
| 01:09.55 | jsmith | hans: You must sacrifice some vim-magic and c-coding-prayers |
| 01:10.05 | hans | a year |
| 01:10.09 | Maquis | cute! |
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| 01:15.04 | hans | ah there we go. exiting gnucash and firing it up anew did the trick |
| 01:15.19 | hans | sounds like a job for bugreportman |
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| 01:20.29 | jsmith | hans: Yup... because if you don't report the bug, it'll bite you again and again until you do |
| 01:20.40 | jsmith | hans: Once you report it, it'll never be reproducable. |
| 01:20.45 | hans | :) |
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| 01:37.28 | tensai | Maquis: joanna is back. can you get to it? |
| 01:38.10 | tensai | hmm. maybe not. I'll have to fix it later. |
| 01:39.06 | hans | ~dict expediate |
| 01:39.25 | hans | ~dict expedite |
| 01:40.48 | Maquis | tensai: let me check |
| 01:41.05 | Maquis | tensai: doesnt look like it |
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| 01:53.05 | Maquis | interesting |
| 01:53.13 | Maquis | irssi can get on fine... |
| 01:53.18 | Maquis | but i can't get to the server |
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| 02:09.16 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:09.20 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:15.07 | synic | third time's the charm. |
| 02:18.02 | xbmodder_lappy | hey? |
| 02:18.32 | xbmodder_lappy | has anyone here spoken to linus torvalds in person? |
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| 02:41.46 | Maquis | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/10/dmca_review.html |
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| 02:44.50 | Maquis | does anyone understand the legalese that you have to get through to post something there? |
| 02:45.17 | Maquis | i'd like to comment to the government about the DMCA, but I don't get it all |
| 02:46.10 | jsmith | Nomal people don't... that's why lawyers make $100 or more an hour. |
| 02:46.26 | jsmith | Hey, that reminds me of a joke -- Where do vampires learn to suck blood? |
| 02:49.38 | Maquis | dunno |
| 02:49.39 | Maquis | where? |
| 02:50.47 | jsmith | Law school. |
| 02:50.52 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:53.17 | Maquis | sjansen: cat /dev/null > file ? |
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| 02:53.38 | sjansen | that or cp original compressed |
| 02:53.39 | Maquis | sjansen: you see it advertised someplace? |
| 02:53.48 | jsmith | sjansen: What they were *trying* to say is that it'll be half the size compressed as what is was uncompressed -- they just don't understand math. |
| 02:54.56 | sjansen | I'm seeing 0-100% inclusive range. |
| 02:55.09 | sjansen | ~beat Maquis |
| 02:55.11 | ibot | ACTION beats Maquis with a large stick. |
| 02:55.32 | Maquis | ~fight sjansen |
| 02:55.33 | ibot | ACTION laughs as sjansen reboots c-67-161-219-84.hsd1.ut.comcast.net sending maquis into the aether |
| 02:55.46 | Maquis | hey! |
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| 03:11.05 | Maquis | ~spell precedent |
| 03:12.13 | xbmodder_lappy | I HATE JAVA |
| 03:12.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ~java |
| 03:12.32 | ibot | [java] at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" ... |
| 03:13.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, just a few links |
| 03:14.32 | sjansen | ibot: java is also <reply> java hates you |
| 03:14.33 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 03:14.38 | sjansen | ~java |
| 03:14.40 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at ... |
| 03:15.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~java 1 |
| 03:15.41 | xbmodder_lappy | ~java |
| 03:15.42 | ibot | java is probably at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
| 03:15.50 | xbmodder_lappy | guava java! |
| 03:16.24 | sjansen | bah, why does it repeat most of the links? |
| 03:18.45 | hans | cuz ibot is lame |
| 03:25.03 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 03:25.08 | xbmodder_lappy | and hes written in perl |
| 03:26.34 | sjansen | So what did we learn today boys and girls? |
| 03:27.30 | sjansen | That's right, we learned to umount the chrooted /proc before running mkisofs. |
| 03:27.33 | jsmith | sjansen: That network ports that auto-negociate to 10 megabit half-duplex are a pain. |
| 03:27.56 | sjansen | jsmith: ick |
| 03:28.58 | jsmith | sjansen: I also learned that 10,000 email messages can take a while to work their way through Exchange, and that 23 gigs of data in /tmp is a bad thing :-) |
| 03:31.46 | sjansen | Well lookey at that, mkisofs runs much faster when you don't try to include a 1GB of system memory in the iso. |
| 03:32.03 | jsmith | sjansen: I'll bet :-) |
| 03:33.06 | sjansen | *sigh* It only took nearly an hour to figure that out... |
| 03:33.17 | Maquis | sjansen: how were you doing that? |
| 03:33.39 | sjansen | Maquis: <sjansen> That's right, we learned to umount the chrooted /proc before running mkisofs. |
| 03:34.25 | Maquis | sjansen: you were chrooted into /proc? or you were chrooted someplace else, but had mounted /proc into there? |
| 03:34.31 | Maquis | or am i more lost than that? |
| 03:35.15 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.25 | sjansen | I forgot to unmount it before making the CD image. |
| 03:35.32 | Maquis | ah |
| 03:35.33 | Maquis | that's cool |
| 03:36.06 | sjansen | where "cool" is defined as "an hour of my life I'll never get back" |
| 03:36.57 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 03:37.19 | Maquis | sjansen: sorry... it was more of a "that's a cool project, and i learned some new stuff today |
| 03:37.46 | sjansen | that's why I share |
| 03:37.56 | sjansen | remember kids: don't be like sjansen |
| 03:38.18 | Maquis | sjansen: right... they should be more like me..... |
| 03:38.57 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 03:40.07 | xbmodder_lappy | I choose sjansen -- you see him on the internet alot more. |
| 03:44.36 | Maquis | you do? |
| 03:45.08 | Maquis | googlefight disagrees |
| 03:45.24 | Maquis | maquis beats sjansen 1,440,000 to 1,180,000 |
| 03:46.04 | xbmodder_lappy | Thats not fair! you got star trek geeks on your side |
| 03:46.17 | xbmodder_lappy | Results 1 - 10 of about 542 for xbmodder. (0.13 seconds) |
| 03:46.27 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: you said that you see sjansen on the internet more than me |
| 03:46.31 | Maquis | i'm just pointing out that you're wrong |
| 03:47.15 | xbmodder_lappy | well I see our sjansen on the internet more often then our Maquis |
| 03:47.54 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: when do you see him on the internet? |
| 03:48.19 | xbmodder_lappy | some forum |
| 03:48.29 | xbmodder_lappy | he had some RPM question fixing thing |
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| 04:32.46 | tensai | Maquis: I think it's a firewall. this network is held together with string and glue now. |
| 04:33.22 | Maquis | tensai: fun!!! a friend of your son's? |
| 04:35.11 | tensai | either that or I'm too much like Michael Jackson |
| 04:35.26 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:35.33 | Maquis | i dunno |
| 04:35.36 | tensai | Maquis: try joanna now |
| 04:35.38 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 04:35.39 | Maquis | it could also be a kid of a friend... |
| 04:35.58 | tensai | it's both. we're friends with the parents, our kids our friends. works out pretty well. |
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| 04:37.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Am I the only one here who doesn't like kids under 10 years old? |
| 04:37.33 | xbmodder_lappy | actually more like 8-9 |
| 04:37.41 | xbmodder_lappy | I know a pretty cool 9 year old. |
| 04:38.15 | tensai | Maquis: ssh joanna... |
| 04:38.17 | jsmith | xbmodder: Yes. |
| 04:38.42 | tensai | yay! |
| 04:38.52 | maquis_ | hi |
| 04:39.04 | tensai | ~apologize to maquis_ |
| 04:39.05 | ibot | maquis_: n=tensai is sorry for being a brainless terd and begs your forgiveness |
| 04:39.06 | maquis_ | tensai: thanks :) |
| 04:39.21 | maquis_ | tensai: hey... it's your server... i'm just squatting... :) |
| 04:41.31 | mheath | I love this :) |
| 04:44.30 | mheath | This thing runs off a premade ARM embededded system I found on the 'net.....a simple LCD screen, too.. |
| 04:44.44 | Tene_ | pics! |
| 04:44.46 | mheath | crude, and lacks most of the features the finished product would have, but its a neat little demo system |
| 04:44.51 | maquis | mheath: pics? |
| 04:45.14 | mheath | maquis: I'm going to get pics as soon as I can get access to my dad's digital camera :) |
| 04:47.57 | tensai | maquis: would you like to hear what caused the outage? |
| 04:48.05 | maquis | tensai: yeah... |
| 04:48.10 | maquis | i'd be really interested by that! |
| 04:48.11 | tensai | actiontec |
| 04:48.19 | mheath | They claim that it will have a touch screen |
| 04:48.30 | mheath | I've been looking into tons of wholesale and OEM touchscreen systems |
| 04:48.51 | maquis | mheath: i don't recall that, but i haven't followed it very closely |
| 04:48.53 | mheath | And I can't figure out how, even if they bought in bulk, they could get a big touchscreen for that cheap |
| 04:49.10 | jsmith | mheath: Who said it was gonna be big? |
| 04:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Special educational discounts for research, I'd imagine. |
| 04:50.02 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: they're talking about producing millions of these, though |
| 04:50.23 | mheath | jsmith: Big == the size of a laptop screen |
| 04:50.36 | mheath | (as opposed to PDA-screen sized touchscreens, which are cheap_ |
| 04:50.43 | mheath | *cheaper) |
| 04:52.37 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, sup? |
| 04:53.14 | mheath | They're FAQ even say the display is only $35 |
| 04:53.22 | xbmodder_lappy | 35! |
| 04:53.23 | Tene_ | ~kill mheath |
| 04:53.25 | ibot | ACTION shoots a pseudophoton gun at mheath |
| 04:53.25 | Tene_ | ~lart mheath |
| 04:53.27 | Tene_ | ~zap mheath |
| 04:53.29 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives mheath a good jolt. |
| 04:53.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ~blart mheath |
| 04:53.31 | Tene_ | ~fry mheath |
| 04:53.33 | ibot | ACTION grabs mheath and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 04:53.36 | xbmodder_lappy | ~splat mheath |
| 04:53.38 | Tene_ | ~cook mheath |
| 04:53.39 | ibot | ACTION throws mheath in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks mheath on 350 for an hour |
| 04:53.49 | xbmodder_lappy | ~rlart mheath |
| 04:54.06 | Tene_ | ~grammarnazi mheath |
| 04:54.26 | mheath | Tene_!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 04:54.41 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 04:55.28 | maquis | mheath: if the 100$ laptops are only going to be used for students, then they could probably continue using the educatonal discount |
| 04:55.44 | xbmodder_lappy | wow... |
| 04:55.46 | mheath | maquis: even with educational discounts, though... |
| 04:55.51 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, that ain't nice.... |
| 04:55.53 | mheath | touchscreens are delicate and difficult to produce |
| 04:56.15 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, where did you get your little embedded ARM? |
| 04:56.19 | mheath | I'm just saying, I question their ability to get an LCD display *and* a touchscreen for $35 |
| 04:56.22 | xbmodder_lappy | and how much? |
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| 04:56.48 | xbmodder_lappy2 | mheath, where did you get your little embedded ARM? |
| 04:56.55 | xbmodder_lappy2 | and how much? |
| 04:57.14 | maquis | mheath: dunno |
| 04:57.36 | mheath | *!*@xbmodder.us added to ignore list. |
| 04:58.05 | jsmith | mheath: From what I understand, it's not a touchscreen. |
| 04:58.16 | maquis | tis what i thought too... but... |
| 04:58.19 | mheath | http://laptop.media.mit.edu/images/diagram1.jpg |
| 04:58.24 | jsmith | mheath: It's a fairly small but high-resolution LCD screen from a portable DVD player. |
| 04:58.34 | mheath | Look at that image |
| 04:58.42 | mheath | specifically the lower right section |
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| 05:00.05 | jsmith | I saw the image, but I think it's someone's wishful thinking. |
| 05:00.28 | maquis | will not be available for sale. The laptops will only be distributed to schools directly through large government initiatives. |
| 05:00.32 | xbmodder_lappy2 | wow.... |
| 05:00.47 | mheath | jsmith: ah, good point. |
| 05:00.49 | maquis | they're gonna havea lot of special discounts... |
| 05:01.07 | mheath | maquis: still, the fact remains that touch screens are *very* expensive |
| 05:01.29 | maquis | mheath: i'm just referring to the laptop in general... |
| 05:01.51 | mheath | maquis: with even a cheap LCD, I think the cost of manufacturing a 10 inch LCD and an accompanying touchscreen would be close to $100 alone |
| 05:02.41 | maquis | you know what i think is funny about this conversation? |
| 05:02.49 | xbmodder_lappy2 | ~say mheath why did you ignore me? |
| 05:02.50 | ibot | mheath why did you ignore me |
| 05:02.52 | tensai | that we've had it before? |
| 05:03.08 | maquis | just a few weeks ago, you were talking about how you were going to make 200$ tablets with touchscreens and everything |
| 05:03.25 | xbmodder_lappy2 | who? |
| 05:03.29 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath? |
| 05:03.31 | mheath | I didn't ignore ibot, but please get the point, and stop giving me a reason to, xbmodder. |
| 05:03.46 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yes |
| 05:03.49 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 05:04.09 | xbmodder_lappy2 | ~say sorry I forgot the include the "This is from xbmodder" part.... |
| 05:04.10 | ibot | sorry I forgot the include the "This is from xbmodder" part.... |
| 05:04.10 | mheath | maquis: Yes; As I said, LCD and touchscreen would be around $100 |
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| 05:08.04 | maquis | First, by dramatically lowering the cost of the display. The first-generation machine will have a novel, dual-mode display that represents improvements to the LCD displays commonly found in inexpensive DVD players. These displays can be used in high-resolution black and white in bright sunlight\u2014all at a cost of approximately $35. |
| 05:08.15 | maquis | ^^^ that doesn't mention touchscreens at all |
| 05:08.18 | mheath | maquis: that says nothing abotu touchscreen |
| 05:08.46 | mheath | maquis: by the way, as I said, that kind of LCD plus touchscreen would be about $100... |
| 05:09.00 | mheath | If you'll notice, my price ($200), > $100. |
| 05:09.10 | maquis | mheath: yes... |
| 05:09.23 | maquis | and the mit program doesn't mention touchscreens |
| 05:11.39 | jsmith | Like I said -- whoever drew the pictures was doing some wishful thinking. |
| 05:14.46 | maquis | @#$% |
| 05:14.51 | maquis | i hate dealing with cups |
| 05:15.24 | xbmodder_lappy | cups is better than windows. |
| 05:15.35 | maquis | sometimes i wonder |
| 05:15.42 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, I think those are tablets. |
| 05:15.50 | xbmodder_lappy | not touch screens |
| 05:16.02 | xbmodder_lappy | would anyone convey that to mheath? |
| 05:17.03 | tensai | maquis: have you seen the alternatives? lpr is a nightmare. cups was a godsend, as horrible as it may be |
| 05:19.11 | maquis | tensai: i honestly think that at this point, lpr might actually work better |
| 05:19.13 | jsmith | maquis: It's not cups that's a nightmare -- it's the awful interfaces to cups that are a pain. |
| 05:19.53 | maquis | tensai: i have, on occasion, printed documents to postscript, ssh'd them to the computer that was connected to the printer, and lpr'd them |
| 05:20.27 | maquis | tensai: this is the most worthless thing i've seen in forever |
| 05:20.51 | maquis | every time i've ever run out of paper mid-job, i've had to spend the next hour trying to get hte printer working again |
| 05:20.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 05:21.10 | tensai | maquis: so don't run out of paper |
| 05:21.17 | maquis | thanks |
| 05:21.35 | maquis | i'm working on that |
| 05:21.42 | maquis | it shouldn't be this hard, though |
| 05:21.54 | maquis | there should be some sort of "resume" button someplace |
| 05:25.58 | xbmodder_lappy2 | lappy ~ # qpkg -f `which lpr` |
| 05:25.59 | xbmodder_lappy2 | net-print/cups * |
| 05:26.00 | xbmodder_lappy2 | lpr==cups |
| 05:26.05 | tensai | my printers all gracefully handle running out of paper |
| 05:26.20 | tensai | maybe that's why I've never seen that problem |
| 05:26.55 | maquis | i've gotten 5 different errors in the past 5 minutes |
| 05:27.00 | maquis | now, i've got "printer off-line" |
| 05:30.23 | sjansen | hooray for 100Mb networks |
| 05:30.50 | maquis | client-error-not-possible |
| 05:31.58 | xbmodder_lappy2 | sjansen, I am upgrading to 1GB this weekend. |
| 05:32.18 | maquis | ~lart cups |
| 05:32.21 | maquis | ~curse cups |
| 05:32.23 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, cups ! |
| 05:33.03 | xbmodder_lappy2 | ~lart maquis for being mean to my dear cups |
| 05:38.32 | levi | sjansen: So violent! |
| 05:40.10 | sjansen | I'm still at work. A project I thought would take only a few hours has been on the verge of completion for the last 5. |
| 05:42.48 | fishyfire | ick! i'm sorry |
| 05:45.34 | goozbach | ~haha sjansen |
| 05:47.20 | xbmodder_lappy2 | isn't it 10 something? |
| 05:47.23 | xbmodder_lappy2 | whats the project? |
| 05:47.55 | goozbach | he could tell you but then he'd have to kill you |
| 05:48.23 | xbmodder_lappy | and goozbach could you tell me? |
| 05:48.45 | goozbach | sjansen: I wanted to strangle someone today as well |
| 05:49.15 | sjansen | heh |
| 05:49.43 | goozbach | I'd tell you but then I'd have to cut out your tounge and cut off your fingers |
| 05:50.12 | goozbach | bbut my strangle was directed at a single person |
| 05:50.30 | goozbach | not at some hopothetical person |
| 05:50.55 | xbmodder_lappy2 | named? |
| 05:51.08 | xbmodder_lappy | named? |
| 05:52.04 | goozbach | the individual who "fixed" the lab I presented today |
| 05:53.58 | maquis | goozbach: what'd they do wrong? |
| 05:54.38 | goozbach | fixing something that wasnt broken |
| 05:55.13 | sjansen | goozbach: you forgot the quotes |
| 05:55.27 | maquis | goozbach: yes... but what'd they break in the process? |
| 05:57.41 | xbmodder_lappy2 | quite a few time i think |
| 05:57.47 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah at least 3 |
| 05:57.53 | xbmodder_lappy2 | I concur. |
| 05:58.41 | goozbach | one or the other |
| 06:01.30 | goozbach | jsmith: what type of server provisioning are you working on? |
| 06:01.38 | sjansen | It's alive! Alive! |
| 06:01.41 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:01.52 | goozbach | I just started a similar project |
| 06:03.36 | jsmith | goozbach: A system for kickstarting, updating, and tracking changes to systems. |
| 06:04.06 | jsmith | goozbach: It's pretty slick. |
| 06:04.15 | xbmodder_lappy | isn't that like YUMAMP |
| 06:04.23 | xbmodder_lappy | no.. nevermind |
| 06:04.25 | xbmodder_lappy | not really. |
| 06:04.28 | jsmith | No, this is much much more. |
| 06:04.52 | goozbach | a part of my yumamp system will do that |
| 06:04.57 | xbmodder_lappy | hopefully. |
| 06:05.05 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, I like yumamp |
| 06:05.15 | goozbach | like? |
| 06:05.35 | goozbach | it doesn't really exsist yet |
| 06:05.59 | jsmith | Imagine this -- you plug a keyboard and monitor into a new server. Boot it off the network. Type in it's hostname. It installs the OS, gets all the updates from your repository, compiles any software you need compiled (don't ask), makes any other config changes necessary, and then puts all the server information into a database to keep track of it. |
| 06:06.18 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, cool. |
| 06:06.27 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, thats like yumamp++ |
| 06:06.58 | jsmith | Well, if I knew more about yumamp... |
| 06:07.06 | jsmith | All I know is what little I've heard from goozbach |
| 06:07.07 | goozbach | sounds more or less like what Part of yumamp will do |
| 06:07.19 | goozbach | yoy should help jsmith |
| 06:07.26 | jsmith | goozbach: So, I'm curious... what all does yumamp intend to do? |
| 06:07.32 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, except jsmith is alot more automated. |
| 06:07.42 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, http://friocorte.com/projects/yumamp/ |
| 06:07.57 | goozbach | I just got a wiki setup http://www.yumamp.com |
| 06:08.24 | jsmith | Hmmmmnn... sounds very close to what we do here. |
| 06:08.52 | goozbach | I should have some proof of concept code done in a couple weeks |
| 06:09.13 | jsmith | Cool... let me know if I can help with anything :-) |
| 06:10.07 | goozbach | what tech are you using for your system? |
| 06:10.52 | RyanE | jsmith: sounds like server provisioning appliance I worked on at Intel a few years ago, right before they killed it. Of course, you didn't plug in a monitor and keyboard to it first. It would PXE-boot the machine, DHCP it, and if it was new, it would add it to the HW database. |
| 06:11.15 | jsmith | PXE booting, some custom anaconda %pre and %post scripting, some YUM repositories, some bash kung-fu, and a database |
| 06:11.21 | jsmith | RyanE: Yup -- you got it. |
| 06:11.30 | RyanE | sounds like what we did, but we were Red Hat 6'ish... :) |
| 06:11.35 | RyanE | I did all the PXE parts |
| 06:11.41 | jsmith | RyanE: And if it's not new, it updates the database to say "This machine was re-installed" |
| 06:11.49 | RyanE | yep. |
| 06:11.59 | RyanE | and we could then cause them to reboot and re-provision automagically |
| 06:12.07 | RyanE | since we had our monitoring stack installed after first-install |
| 06:12.26 | RyanE | we were also doing some backup the setup to hidden partition and restore stuff. |
| 06:12.36 | jsmith | Yuck :-) |
| 06:12.49 | jsmith | hidden partitions are of the devil |
| 06:12.52 | RyanE | it was pretty cool, won awards, etc. 30 programmers, 1 year. They then killed the project and laid us off. :) |
| 06:13.06 | RyanE | well, it was only really hidden because it wasn't mounted full-time. |
| 06:13.17 | RyanE | not Hidden with the big 'H'. |
| 06:14.21 | RyanE | the funny thing is, they killed it after it won awards at a show, pre-release, because large OEM's who buy a lot of Intel chips didn't want the competition... |
| 06:14.22 | levi | Ahh, homework is finished. |
| 06:14.57 | levi | We do some cool provisioning stuff for clusters at work. |
| 06:16.50 | maquis | (and i think the test is going to be quite hard) |
| 06:17.24 | fishyfire | what kind of printer? |
| 06:17.47 | levi | You install an OS onto an image on the host, configure it to suit your needs, and then put it in a version-controlled repository. You can then simultaneously turn on all 1000+ of your nodes and have them be provisioned at the same time over your network via multicast. |
| 06:18.35 | RyanE | levi: we did ghosting as well, but since we wanted it to install to dissimilar hardware, we had it provision with a kickstart RPM install. |
| 06:19.00 | RyanE | but that's cool. |
| 06:19.16 | levi | RyanE: Yeah, clusters give you the luxury of not having to worry about too much hardware variation. |
| 06:19.30 | RyanE | levi: valid point. |
| 06:20.30 | levi | My only contribution to the provisioning process is the firmware on the hardware that lets you remotely power on all the nodes, among other things. |
| 06:23.11 | RyanE | not WOL? |
| 06:24.19 | levi | No, this actually toggles the power going to the node. |
| 06:25.04 | levi | It can also trip the reset line, monitor temperature probes within the node, and acts as a serial concentrator for the nodes plugged into it. |
| 06:25.39 | levi | And takes zero U of rack space. |
| 06:25.39 | jsmith | G'night! |
| 06:25.57 | RyanE | levi: cool. |
| 06:26.18 | RyanE | how do your little monitor nodes, etc. communicate back to the 'mother ship'? |
| 06:26.47 | RyanE | 485? Ethernet? Are they part of the actual cluster nodes themselves, or separate? |
| 06:27.07 | levi | You can control it via a command line, a simple network protocol, or SNMP. |
| 06:27.32 | levi | It used to have an RS485 option, but it didn't scale very well, so we removed it. |
| 06:28.03 | levi | You primarily control it over the network, but it's got a serial port in case you need to hook up a laptop. |
| 06:29.36 | RyanE | again, cool. |
| 06:30.00 | levi | It's also got a couple of auxiliary always-on power plugs. |
| 06:30.10 | levi | And a little LCD and keypad control interface. |
| 06:30.16 | RyanE | I love that kind of stuff. I wish I had a need for and $$ to buy a nice cluster. |
| 06:30.29 | RyanE | and it takes 0U? Where does the LCD go? Is this all integrated into the nodes? |
| 06:31.01 | levi | It's in the back of the rack, one per 10 nodes, behind the nodes. |
| 06:31.08 | RyanE | nice |
| 06:31.53 | levi | http://www.linuxnetworx.com/icebox/ |
| 06:32.25 | RyanE | schweet. |
| 06:34.57 | levi | I passed that product on to sustaining engineering a while ago. I'm working on a part of one of our new product lines that plays a similar role, but it's not released yet. |
| 06:35.07 | xbmodder_lappy | oh shiz. |
| 06:37.18 | maquis | @#$$#@@$# |
| 06:37.51 | fishyfire | uh oh |
| 06:38.09 | xbmodder_lappy | I have a server @ 79.5 degrees |
| 06:38.22 | xbmodder_lappy | its rising .2 degrees every minute |
| 06:38.33 | xbmodder_lappy | because my mom put the heating on :-/ |
| 06:38.49 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: is it sitting on top of a heating vent? |
| 06:38.55 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 06:39.01 | xbmodder_lappy | that would be like... |
| 06:39.02 | maquis | are there any cups gurus around? |
| 06:39.06 | xbmodder_lappy | server-istic suicide |
| 06:39.11 | xbmodder_lappy | I got cups to work :-/ |
| 06:39.16 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, what'd you do? |
| 06:39.29 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i ran out of apper in the middle of a print-job |
| 06:39.35 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah.... |
| 06:39.37 | maquis | i just had someone spend > half an hour trying to help with it |
| 06:39.55 | xbmodder_lappy | so now your printer paper ran out it just --- breaks? |
| 06:40.05 | maquis | he said it was "easy"... then after trying for half an hour, put everything back the way it was before, and gave up |
| 06:40.11 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yup |
| 06:40.21 | xbmodder_lappy | any error messages in particular? |
| 06:40.24 | maquis | it always takes at least an hour to recover from running out of paper |
| 06:40.25 | fishyfire | did you try uninstalling and reinstalling the printer? |
| 06:40.56 | maquis | fishyfire: i tried recreating it in cups, |
| 06:41.01 | maquis | and restarting cups |
| 06:41.11 | maquis | and unpluggin the printer from usb and the wall |
| 06:41.12 | levi | maquis: Have you tried unplugging the printer? |
| 06:41.17 | levi | Hmm. |
| 06:41.18 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:41.22 | maquis | replugging it, restarting cups |
| 06:41.28 | levi | Screwy. |
| 06:41.33 | fishyfire | unplug then remove and then add back in? |
| 06:41.35 | maquis | you name it, i've tried it |
| 06:41.44 | xbmodder_lappy | umm... |
| 06:42.01 | levi | Sounds like you need a printer that doesn't suck. |
| 06:42.04 | fishyfire | what kind of printer? |
| 06:42.09 | xbmodder_lappy | brand? |
| 06:42.11 | xbmodder_lappy | driver? |
| 06:42.24 | maquis | when my friend gave up, he said to stop trying to do it over the network and just try to get it working directly connected to my laptop |
| 06:42.54 | maquis | so, i unplugged, replugged, rebooted the laptop, added the printer to cups, rebooted the laptop, and i still can't print |
| 06:43.06 | xbmodder_lappy | brand and model? |
| 06:43.08 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: HP inkjet printer... hpijs driver |
| 06:43.19 | xbmodder_lappy | wow. those tend to work well. |
| 06:43.31 | maquis | deskjet 3740 |
| 06:43.41 | maquis | supposed to be perfectly supported |
| 06:43.46 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm |
| 06:43.52 | maquis | but it hates me |
| 06:43.57 | xbmodder_lappy | so you have cupsd running on your laptop |
| 06:44.03 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:44.05 | xbmodder_lappy | and your printer connected directly to it? |
| 06:44.10 | maquis | yup |
| 06:44.18 | maquis | and i've added and removed and added the printer a few times |
| 06:44.22 | fishyfire | what error message is it giving now? |
| 06:44.23 | maquis | and rebooted |
| 06:44.37 | maquis | let me readd it one more time so i canget the error |
| 06:45.36 | maquis | no error message |
| 06:45.52 | maquis | just says "printing page 1, 20% complete..." and then sits there for eternity until i kill the job |
| 06:45.57 | maquis | (and the printer's doing nothing) |
| 06:46.13 | fishyfire | no light flashing on the printer... |
| 06:46.24 | xbmodder_lappy | thats bad-ish |
| 06:46.47 | maquis | in the cups log, i've got: |
| 06:46.58 | maquis | W [02/Nov/2005:23:44:44 -0700] [Job 1] Printer fault! |
| 06:46.59 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:44:47 -0700] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=3224) |
| 06:47.26 | maquis | fishyfire: the printer has one light which is also a button |
| 06:47.40 | maquis | the button does absolutely nothing |
| 06:47.47 | maquis | it's supposed to be the power-button |
| 06:47.52 | maquis | and it works to turn the printer on |
| 06:47.58 | RyanE | maquis: I assume you've put paper in it, and reset the printer by holding that button down for 10 seconds, right? |
| 06:48.00 | maquis | but not to turn it off, in my experience |
| 06:48.11 | maquis | RyanE: i can try holding the button down again |
| 06:48.25 | maquis | my assumption would be that pulling the plug would reset it, but i'll try |
| 06:49.04 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:49.09 | xbmodder_lappy | Mecworks, its the same |
| 06:49.12 | xbmodder_lappy | unless money++ |
| 06:49.45 | maquis | hmmm... it had eaten some paper in the process... |
| 06:49.58 | maquis | i held the button down for 15 seconds, and i think it's trying to do something |
| 06:50.06 | RyanE | is there still a paper jam? |
| 06:50.10 | maquis | RyanE: no |
| 06:50.13 | maquis | i got that out |
| 06:51.29 | maquis | ok |
| 06:51.35 | maquis | so, it's not reporting any errors |
| 06:51.36 | fishyfire | ? |
| 06:51.51 | maquis | but when i try to print anything, it never adds it to the queue |
| 06:51.58 | maquis | so, it's constantly reporting no active jobs |
| 06:52.03 | RyanE | can you do a cups test page? |
| 06:52.17 | maquis | i clicked the button |
| 06:52.21 | maquis | and it still says no active jobs |
| 06:52.30 | maquis | but it told me that it was going to be local-4 |
| 06:52.40 | RyanE | is there a printer called local-4? |
| 06:52.59 | maquis | there's a printer called local |
| 06:53.10 | maquis | and it was my 4th attempt to send a job to the printer |
| 06:53.36 | maquis | Test page sent; job ID is local-5. |
| 06:53.50 | maquis | No Active Jobs |
| 06:54.08 | maquis | mmm... that smells vaguely like horchata |
| 06:54.28 | maquis | RyanE: any ideas? |
| 06:54.37 | RyanE | not really |
| 06:54.40 | RyanE | sorry about that. |
| 06:55.20 | maquis | [osiris /root] tail /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 06:55.21 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:51:30 -0700] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=3433) |
| 06:55.24 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=3462) |
| 06:55.27 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Adding start banner page "none" to job 5. |
| 06:55.29 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Adding end banner page "none" to job 5. |
| 06:55.32 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Job 5 queued on 'local' by 'root'. |
| 06:55.35 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 3463) for job 5. |
| 06:55.37 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster (PID 3464) for job 5. |
| 06:55.40 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/rastertohp (PID 3466) for job 5. |
| 06:55.44 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:52:50 -0700] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb (PID 3467) for job 5. |
| 06:55.47 | maquis | I [02/Nov/2005:23:53:00 -0700] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/printers.cgi" (pid=3471) |
| 06:55.49 | maquis | (sorry for flood) |
| 06:55.52 | RyanE | this is a USB printer, then? |
| 06:55.53 | maquis | i don't see any errors there |
| 06:56.11 | RyanE | me either |
| 06:56.14 | maquis | yup |
| 07:00.52 | RyanE | time to rely on the kindness (and printer) of others... :) |
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| 07:05.04 | maquis | RyanE: hmm |
| 07:05.18 | RyanE | chocolate time! |
| 07:05.24 | maquis | chocolate? |
| 07:05.27 | maquis | can i have some? |
| 07:06.19 | maquis | cool! |
| 07:06.23 | RyanE | (borrowed from the kids) |
| 07:06.48 | RyanE | of course, delivery isn't included. :) |
| 07:08.00 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 07:14.10 | xbmodder_lappy | does anyone know of any javascript MD5ing code? |
| 07:15.07 | RyanE | I've heard of people trying to MD5 on the client side and pass it to the server before, but never seen the code. |
| 07:15.33 | RyanE | and wonder if it wouldn't have some inherent issues (replayability) |
| 07:15.49 | maquis | i've heard of printers being able to recover from an "out-of-paper" problem... that doesn't mean it works |
| 07:16.17 | findlay | ~lart xchat |
| 07:16.37 | levi | findlay: What did xchat ever do to you? |
| 07:16.49 | findlay | levi, it's not irssi |
| 07:16.58 | xbmodder_lappy | does anyone know of any javascript hashing code? |
| 07:17.11 | findlay | and look, what is that a comma, not a colon? |
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| 07:17.50 | RyanE | http://pajhome.org.uk/crypt/md5/ |
| 07:17.51 | levi | findlay: I fail to see a problem with that. |
| 07:18.35 | findlay | xchat: you're not really that bad. I didn't mean it. |
| 07:18.36 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: work for you? |
| 07:19.20 | xbmodder_lappy | sure |
| 07:19.22 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
| 07:19.24 | findlay | it's actually the best gui irc client I've used |
| 07:19.33 | xbmodder_lappy | be sure to remind me to give you the code |
| 07:19.48 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: what code? |
| 07:19.50 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, no circe ( http://circe.berlios.de ) is |
| 07:20.00 | xbmodder_lappy | RyanE, making image hosting virtually free |
| 07:20.33 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy, you spelled Berlioz wrong |
| 07:21.01 | xbmodder_lappy | berlioz? |
| 07:21.03 | xbmodder_lappy | whats that? |
| 07:22.14 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
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| 07:56.49 | SpecialZ | findlay: You know that guy was a real nut, right? |
| 07:57.02 | SpecialZ | Berlioz that is |
| 07:58.13 | SpecialZ | la "Symphonie Fantastique" happens to focus a woman he was stalking. |
| 08:14.47 | findlay | maybe in his youth. Berlioz was extremely gifted and put a lot of work into refining his craft |
| 08:16.28 | findlay | besides I thought he ended up marrying her, and his wife had a special affinity with the symphony |
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| 12:40.39 | emcnabb | so tired... |
| 13:09.06 | graphyx | morning. |
| 13:09.15 | graphyx | emcnabb: Why not go to bed and sleep? |
| 13:19.47 | emcnabb | because I can't |
| 13:20.15 | emcnabb | the students in class would probably want a refund |
| 13:21.35 | graphyx | You are teaching right now? |
| 13:22.05 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 13:22.09 | emcnabb | east coast |
| 13:22.13 | graphyx | ahh... |
| 13:22.17 | graphyx | makes sense. |
| 13:22.39 | graphyx | so you get 2 hours earlier plus daylight savings time switch.. |
| 13:22.52 | graphyx | So it's no surprise that you are tired. |
| 13:24.16 | graphyx | and lets not forget jetlag. |
| 13:25.16 | emcnabb | usually I'm fine, but not this morning... |
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| 14:46.46 | xbmodder_lappy | sup? |
| 14:47.20 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, :-/ |
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| 15:11.44 | graphyx | What is a good GUI system resource monitor? |
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| 15:18.59 | hans | xosview |
| 15:19.04 | hans | gkrellm |
| 15:24.07 | tensai | is there a way to have tcpdump write to a file and to the screen? |
| 15:24.19 | graphyx | two sessions? |
| 15:24.28 | tensai | I guess that would work |
| 15:24.37 | graphyx | probably the simplest idea. |
| 15:24.44 | graphyx | not the most efficient |
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| 15:30.47 | tensai | graphyx: tcpdump -U -s 1500 -w - <bpf> |tee <file> | tcpdump -lnr - |
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| 15:31.22 | graphyx | tee? |
| 15:31.25 | graphyx | Interesting. |
| 15:31.32 | tensai | send output to a file and to stdout |
| 15:31.38 | graphyx | nice. |
| 15:31.44 | graphyx | Not too surprising. |
| 15:32.01 | graphyx | I mean how many people have ever wanted to send output to a file AND the screen??? |
| 15:32.03 | tensai | it's a little weird, but that'll be easier than two tcpdumps |
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| 15:32.11 | graphyx | That's like a rare thing. |
| 15:32.49 | tensai | I've wanted to do it a bunch of times. This time I really need it. |
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| 15:45.19 | mheath | Why are you using tcpdump? |
| 15:45.22 | mheath | (just curious) |
| 15:48.04 | tensai | watching a SIP phone |
| 15:48.30 | graphyx | Are there any utilities for managing x fonts without working directly with the xorg.conf file? |
| 15:48.31 | tensai | it's my phone, btw. don't call the feds. |
| 15:48.46 | graphyx | tensai: I thought you were the feds... |
| 15:48.50 | mheath | graphyx: I know Gnome and KDE have tools to do that... |
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| 15:56.48 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 15:58.29 | roscivs-w | Does anyone know if you can have two wireless cards talk to each other without an access point or router being in-between? |
| 15:58.36 | RyanE | Hhhh: looks like you're stuttering when you say Hhhh...hello. |
| 15:58.59 | roscivs-w | (Sort of like how you can have two ethernet cards talk to each other without a hub/switch by using a crossover cable.) |
| 15:59.10 | RyanE | roscivs-w: yes |
| 15:59.54 | RyanE | usually there are two settings on the wireless. AP Mode, and Ad Hoc |
| 16:00.00 | RyanE | Ad Hoc can connect two machines to each other. |
| 16:00.13 | RyanE | Device to device (Ad hoc): Connect directly to other computers in an ad hoc wireless network. This type of connection is useful for connections between 2 or more computers only. It does not provide access to network resources or the internet. |
| 16:00.58 | roscivs-w | RyanE: So I've got a box at home that I use as my router. It has one NIC going to the cable modem, the other NIC goes to the local network. |
| 16:01.20 | RyanE | yes? |
| 16:01.22 | roscivs-w | If I buy a wireless NIC and stick it in as the third NIC, can I connect to that via ad hoc wireless from my laptop and connect to the Internet that way? |
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| 16:02.00 | RyanE | roscivs-w: you could also (depending on your software) run a hostAP on that machine, and make it an AP. |
| 16:02.13 | mheath | roscivs-w: yep |
| 16:02.18 | roscivs-w | roscivs-w: Software = FC4 Linux |
| 16:02.21 | RyanE | but if you had ad-hoc networking setup, and routing between that ad-hoc network and your internet, then yes. |
| 16:02.25 | roscivs-w | oops, I mean RyanE: lol. |
| 16:02.53 | RyanE | I haven't set it up, but I think hostap is available in FC4 |
| 16:03.15 | roscivs-w | RyanE: Google says yes. |
| 16:03.41 | RyanE | http://oob.freeshell.org/nzwireless/LWAP-HOWTO.html |
| 16:03.59 | roscivs-w | So I could stick a wireless NIC into my router machine and turn it into a WAP? So lots of people could connect to the internet through it in fact? |
| 16:04.17 | roscivs-w | Ooh! This is looking spiffy ... |
| 16:04.20 | RyanE | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 16:04.24 | RyanE | yep |
| 16:05.07 | roscivs-w | Now, I'm having a devil of a time getting wireless to work on my laptop ... how can I make sure I buy a PCI wireless card for my router box that I don't have such problems with? |
| 16:05.28 | roscivs-w | Preferably one that is autodetected by linux (if such a beast exists) and is easiest to set up as a WAP. |
| 16:06.06 | roscivs-w | Are they all identical as far as setting them up as an Access Point or does the driver have to do anything special for that to work? |
| 16:06.59 | RyanE | roscivs-w: haven't bought one, don't know. |
| 16:07.14 | roscivs-w | Dang. I wish I knew more than zero about wireless. :-P |
| 16:07.16 | drfindley | I know scott/andrew have on they love |
| 16:08.01 | roscivs-w | Has anyone here (maybe sco++/amcnabb?) set up a Linux WAP? |
| 16:08.19 | roscivs-w | I smell a great topic for the next PLUG/UUG meeting ... |
| 16:08.32 | drfindley | oooh I'm game |
| 16:08.35 | jnbek | no but i know OpenBSD or any BSD with pf can be set up as a WAP with little drama |
| 16:08.42 | jnbek | not sure how to do it in Linux though |
| 16:09.15 | roscivs-w | Maybe it's time for me to play with OpenBSD ... |
| 16:09.29 | roscivs-w | I'm sure if it's easy to do in OpenBSD it's probably similar in Linux though. |
| 16:10.15 | RyanE | roscivs-w: I like m0n0wall. It's a firewall distro, based on BSD. http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 16:10.20 | RyanE | web-based setup |
| 16:10.48 | jnbek | yea there are alot of good firewall/router distros out there too |
| 16:11.06 | RyanE | I boot mine off of a 64M CompactFlash card. |
| 16:11.36 | tapH20guru | roscivs-w: you could always try ubuntu breezy with the hostap drivers for an AP laptop |
| 16:11.45 | tapH20guru | works like a champ |
| 16:11.53 | tapH20guru | and supports Kismet :) |
| 16:12.29 | roscivs-w | i'm wanting to make the desktop (router) machine the AP, not the laptop, |
| 16:12.45 | roscivs-w | the problem with the laptop is finding a driver for the onboard wireless card. :-P |
| 16:12.55 | tapH20guru | ahh |
| 16:13.01 | RyanE | roscivs-w: dedicated router, or also used for webserver, etc.? |
| 16:13.09 | tapH20guru | chipset? |
| 16:14.33 | roscivs-w | RyanE: currently it's my desktop machine, router, webserver, etc. All-in-wonder. |
| 16:14.55 | roscivs-w | Eventually I'll probably break the functionality out into separate boxes but this setup has worked well for me thus far. |
| 16:15.02 | tapH20guru | hostap will support quite a few PCI cards |
| 16:15.28 | roscivs-w | tapH20guru: On the laptop? Let me check ... |
| 16:15.42 | roscivs-w | it uses the madwifi drivers supposedly, but even with the madwifi drivers I get no lovin'. |
| 16:15.47 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 16:15.52 | roscivs-w | (i.e. the device doesn't even show up in ifconfig) |
| 16:17.06 | hatchmt | roscivs-w, what does 'lspci' say your wireless card is? |
| 16:19.23 | roscivs-w | hatchmt: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001b (rev 01) |
| 16:24.21 | tapH20guru | what about your lsmod? are the madwifi dirvers loaded? |
| 16:24.49 | hatchmt | what does 'modprobe athpci' do? |
| 16:24.56 | hans | yikes, this is scary |
| 16:24.57 | hans | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/grfsnd.html#sndandx |
| 16:25.05 | hans | IPC via X window properties |
| 16:25.09 | hatchmt | or is it ath_pci |
| 16:25.11 | hatchmt | I forget |
| 16:26.14 | roscivs-w | tapH20guru: Let me log in from the laptop so I can copy-paste. Brb. |
| 16:27.26 | RyanE | hans: reminds me of RFC 1149 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html |
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| 16:28.57 | roscivs-l | back |
| 16:29.01 | roscivs-l | and laptoppish |
| 16:29.29 | roscivs-l | so, in /etc/modprobe.conf I have a line: |
| 16:29.30 | roscivs-l | alias eth1 ath_pci |
| 16:29.45 | roscivs-l | (I've tried making it wlan0 ath_pci and various other things, doesn't seem to make a difference) |
| 16:30.22 | roscivs-l | lsmod | grep ath_pci yields: |
| 16:30.23 | roscivs-l | ath_pci 79264 0 |
| 16:30.23 | roscivs-l | ath_rate_sample 16008 1 ath_pci |
| 16:30.23 | roscivs-l | wlan 139420 2 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample |
| 16:30.23 | roscivs-l | ath_hal 147664 2 ath_pci,ath_rate_sample |
| 16:30.23 | hatchmt | I thought it was usually assigned as 'ath0' |
| 16:30.38 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: Yeah, I think that was the default one. |
| 16:30.40 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: the alias means that when access is attempted to eth1 the module is loaded |
| 16:30.44 | hatchmt | does 'iwconfig' return anything? |
| 16:30.56 | roscivs-l | "no wireless extensions" |
| 16:30.58 | vontrapp | to change what inteface the module makes, you need to send the module an argument |
| 16:30.59 | tapH20guru | what distro? |
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| 16:31.15 | roscivs-l | tapH20guru: fc4 |
| 16:32.04 | roscivs-l | dmesg | grep ath: |
| 16:32.04 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. |
| 16:32.04 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. |
| 16:32.04 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: 0.9.14.9 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413) |
| 16:32.04 | roscivs-l | ath_rate_sample: 1.2 |
| 16:32.05 | roscivs-l | ath_pci: 0.9.6.0 (EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 16:32.22 | roscivs-l | And using the madwifi rpms from the fc4 atrpms repository. If that makes a difference. |
| 16:32.41 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: re AP, the driver does need to support it |
| 16:32.59 | vontrapp | what is ath? |
| 16:33.07 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: Cool, that will be useful info when I set up my router at home ... |
| 16:33.16 | vontrapp | get a prism if you can |
| 16:33.17 | roscivs-l | but right now I just want my wireless laptop card to work normally. |
| 16:33.20 | vontrapp | those work great |
| 16:33.27 | roscivs-l | prism pci card? |
| 16:33.38 | hatchmt | My atheros card works perfectly in SuSE 10. |
| 16:33.40 | vontrapp | of course, it's increasingly difficult to know what chip is used in a card |
| 16:33.42 | vontrapp | prism chip |
| 16:33.55 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: What does it show up as in lspci? |
| 16:33.59 | vontrapp | could be in any card, but most likely is a broadcomm chip instead |
| 16:34.12 | hatchmt | same as yours |
| 16:34.19 | roscivs-l | 001b? |
| 16:34.36 | hatchmt | Well, couldn't tell you that off hand. My laptop is at home at the moment. |
| 16:34.56 | hatchmt | is yours an ABG card or just BG? |
| 16:35.05 | roscivs-l | From my googling, everyone can get the 001a card to work, |
| 16:35.19 | roscivs-l | but I can't find very many references to the 001b card ... I wonder if it's new |
| 16:35.26 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: Can't remember. |
| 16:35.45 | vontrapp | avoid broadcomm like the plague |
| 16:36.20 | vontrapp | yeah ,the problem with wireless cards is most cards/brands these days use broadcomm, but don't tell you so |
| 16:36.25 | hatchmt | broadcom chipsets are awful, but you can still get them to work with ndiswrapper -- that is, if you have a windows installation handy. |
| 16:36.51 | hatchmt | There are several Dell laptops here where I work using SuSE 10 and broadcom wireless cards. |
| 16:37.17 | vontrapp | i hate it, but it "works well enough" so i live with it |
| 16:37.38 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: your laptop has a 001a? |
| 16:37.40 | tapH20guru | vontrapp: ndiswrapper? |
| 16:37.43 | vontrapp | yep |
| 16:37.50 | tapH20guru | not bad |
| 16:37.56 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: No, 001b |
| 16:37.57 | hatchmt | roscivs-l, I won't have my laptop until around 11:00am, so if you're still fighting it at that time, we can compare configurations. |
| 16:38.00 | tapH20guru | wep / wpa work ok for you? |
| 16:38.19 | vontrapp | what is 001b? |
| 16:38.25 | vontrapp | and 001a for that matter |
| 16:38.35 | vontrapp | wep works, no wpa |
| 16:38.36 | roscivs-l | just the number that shows up in lspci |
| 16:38.42 | vontrapp | haven't really tried for it |
| 16:38.44 | roscivs-l | Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001b |
| 16:38.48 | vontrapp | but i doubt it would work |
| 16:39.07 | roscivs-l | If you google for that first part you'll find a bunch of people with "Unknown device 001a" for whom the madwifi drivers work perfectly |
| 16:39.08 | hatchmt | it's part of the PCI ID (the last 4 digits as the first 4 are recognized as Atheros Communications) |
| 16:39.47 | vontrapp | i see |
| 16:39.51 | roscivs-l | Oh, and my card is apparently: "Integrated dual-band Atheros Super AG Wireless LAN (802.11a/b/g)" |
| 16:40.04 | roscivs-l | according to the blurb on newegg (where I got the laptop) |
| 16:40.19 | vontrapp | so my pessimistic guess is that 001a was some sane chipset like the one madwifi works with, and 001b they changed to broadcomm |
| 16:40.39 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: Ewwww! Please tell me it ain't so! |
| 16:40.46 | vontrapp | just a guess |
| 16:40.51 | roscivs-l | Does that mean I could try ndiswrapper though? |
| 16:41.01 | roscivs-l | (Sorry I'm such a wireless n00b) |
| 16:41.02 | tapH20guru | nidis may be worth a shot |
| 16:41.05 | vontrapp | you could, i've done lots with it, so i can help |
| 16:41.06 | hatchmt | anything Atheros is NOT broadcom |
| 16:41.15 | hatchmt | lspci will tell you if it's broadcom. |
| 16:41.29 | tapH20guru | though there are some issues with ndiswrapper and 64 bit distros |
| 16:41.59 | roscivs-l | I'm running 32bit so I should be ok there :) |
| 16:41.59 | hatchmt | roscivs-l, my card is also the ABG, so chances are I have a 001b. |
| 16:41.59 | roscivs-l | (Wasn't ready to take the 64bit leap) |
| 16:41.59 | hatchmt | I'll let you know soon. |
| 16:42.04 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: Cool, let me know in a few hours what your config is. |
| 16:42.20 | roscivs-l | I would be much relieved if you had the same chipset. |
| 16:42.48 | hatchmt | For clarification: Atheros makes the chipset, not the card. Broadcom does likewise. My wireless NIC is a Linksys, yet it is Atheros. |
| 16:42.49 | vontrapp | oh wait, i forgot atheros was a chipset itself |
| 16:42.54 | hatchmt | Atheros != Broadcom. |
| 16:43.33 | vontrapp | hatchmt: your right |
| 16:44.13 | hans | for some reason your nick makes me think orrin hatch dressed up as mr. t |
| 16:44.13 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 16:44.22 | hatchmt | hans: It's just my last name and first two initials. |
| 16:44.47 | hatchmt | I'd do mhatch, but mheath is here and is too similar a name. :) |
| 16:45.09 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834110161 |
| 16:45.14 | hans | match? |
| 16:45.44 | hatchmt | Nah, too many arsonist jokes with that one. |
| 16:46.03 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: very nice laptop if you like little tiny laptops like the sony vaio |
| 16:46.18 | vontrapp | haha, i like huge |
| 16:46.29 | roscivs-l | (same form factor as the tiny vaios but much much cheaper) |
| 16:46.36 | roscivs-l | yeah, I like tiny :) |
| 16:47.09 | vontrapp | at least, i like huge screen, i wouldn't mind something lighter though |
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| 16:47.47 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: so no luck yet getting that to work? |
| 16:47.47 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: I like tiny and portability. If I want a large screen I'll use my desktop machine. |
| 16:47.49 | RyanE | roscivs-l: my last laptop was a vaio. not tiny in any way. |
| 16:48.04 | roscivs-l | (i'm not interested in a desktop replacement laptop) |
| 16:48.18 | roscivs-l | RyanE: Sorry, I should have been more specific ... I was talking about the TR (?) series |
| 16:48.36 | roscivs-l | the 10.6" screen Vaios. |
| 16:48.39 | sjansen | it's all about the pixel count, baby |
| 16:48.40 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: my laptop IS my desktop machine ;) |
| 16:48.47 | vontrapp | sjansen: word |
| 16:48.56 | RyanE | mine as well. |
| 16:49.03 | roscivs-l | vontrapp: Exactly :) For people like you, big is good. For people like me, I like tiny :) |
| 16:49.05 | RyanE | plus the second monitor. |
| 16:49.38 | roscivs-l | This laptop is about the largest portable device I'd think about getting. |
| 16:49.56 | RyanE | roscivs-l: mine too. :) |
| 16:50.02 | roscivs-l | I'd really actually like one even smaller than this, maybe with a fold-out keyboard or something ... |
| 16:51.13 | RyanE | I borrowed a luggable once and took it to class for an 'open-book' CS460 test. now *that* was a big laptop. |
| 16:51.29 | roscivs-l | What would be nice is a little tiny computer about the 2" x 4" or so with a place to plug in external keyboard/mouse/display |
| 16:51.38 | roscivs-l | with two sets of the latter, |
| 16:51.51 | roscivs-l | a full-size keyboard/mouse/display for when you're at home |
| 16:52.07 | roscivs-l | and portable laptop-size keyboard/mouse/display for on the road. |
| 16:52.13 | roscivs-l | that would be cool. hehe. |
| 16:53.12 | vontrapp | roscivs-l: with a keyboard like this http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/5a7f/ |
| 16:53.16 | vontrapp | :) |
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| 16:53.47 | roscivs-l | yeah, exactly :) |
| 16:54.14 | Bradipo | roscivs-l: How about a Zaurus? |
| 16:54.59 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: what'd you get? |
| 16:55.28 | Uncle_Jesse | Ford F-150 4x4 |
| 16:55.39 | Uncle_Jesse | it's a 2000 model, but still very pretty |
| 16:56.15 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: you gonna put built-in computer? |
| 16:56.50 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: I'm thinking about it. I'll probably just install a laptop stand |
| 16:57.09 | Bradipo | roscivs-l: How about a Zaurus c3000? |
| 16:57.39 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: I'd probably do that, but I only drive it to work and back, 20 min. each way. Kind of a waste. |
| 16:57.49 | Bradipo | roscivs-l: http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/sl-c3000/ |
| 16:57.50 | roscivs-l | I definitely thought about the Zaurus ... |
| 16:58.03 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm a little worried - it was made in Canada |
| 16:58.17 | Uncle_Jesse | seems to be in great shape though |
| 16:58.53 | Uncle_Jesse | a bit ironic - buying a Ford made in Canada |
| 16:59.06 | Bradipo | vontrapp: By the way, I turned over 200,000 miles over the weekend. |
| 16:59.09 | roscivs-l | Bradipo: sweet little machine, but the i386 nature of the fujitsu won me over in the end |
| 16:59.13 | tapH20guru | name a price for the Zarus... it's just sitting at m desk... I'll throw in a wifi and CF card too :) |
| 16:59.19 | vontrapp | Bradipo: nice |
| 16:59.27 | vontrapp | hows the mileage? still not so good? |
| 16:59.46 | Bradipo | Depends on the month, but usually around 30 mpg. |
| 16:59.47 | vontrapp | tapH20guru: $5 |
| 16:59.51 | tapH20guru | LOL |
| 16:59.58 | vontrapp | going once... |
| 17:00.02 | vontrapp | going twice...... |
| 17:00.09 | vontrapp | w00t!!!11!1!! |
| 17:00.10 | roscivs-l | $10! |
| 17:00.15 | vontrapp | dang |
| 17:00.17 | roscivs-l | hehe |
| 17:00.25 | tapH20guru | gotta love IRC bidding |
| 17:00.30 | Bradipo | roscivs-l: Which fujitsu? |
| 17:00.35 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: My dad's '76 F150 Crew Cab was built in Canada. No problems. |
| 17:01.02 | roscivs-l | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834110161 |
| 17:01.05 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: that's comforting - I'm just a little worried someone stole it and drove it across the border |
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| 17:01.25 | Uncle_Jesse | don't want the Canadian police coming after me :-) |
| 17:01.41 | Bradipo | roscivs: That's not quite 2" by 4" |
| 17:01.55 | roscivs-l | Bradipo: I was talking about my ideal machine, not what I actually ended up getting :) |
| 17:02.03 | RyanE | My Nissan was bought in Auction, had been repo'ed from the former owner. |
| 17:02.04 | roscivs-l | I don't know of any machine that matches what I described. |
| 17:02.37 | roscivs-l | I was just saying that this Fujitsu (despite its 10.6" screen and 3.3lb weight) is probably the very largest portable machine I'd ever buy. |
| 17:02.47 | RyanE | I'm thinking that now that Palm is in decline, my next PalmPilot will have to be a Linux Model. :) |
| 17:03.05 | Bradipo | roscivs: It is pretty small. |
| 17:03.09 | roscivs-l | RyanE: Yeah, I'm kind of disappointed since I just figured out how to program Palms :-/ |
| 17:05.04 | vontrapp | not even a decent solitaire program |
| 17:05.11 | RyanE | I figure I'll have to run a 'virtual palmpilot' on the replacement. |
| 17:06.12 | levi | vontrapp: One of the rare opportunities a hobby programmer has to actually make some money these days. |
| 17:08.01 | vontrapp | levi: yeah, i guess, but when i first got a palm secondhand, i found a bunch of cool programs, and used it quite a bit, but as the software trials expired i just gave up |
| 17:08.06 | vontrapp | it's sitting in a box now :-/ |
| 17:08.57 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here ever installed a car computer? |
| 17:09.00 | levi | Well, that's what you get for being cheap. Of course, I've only bought a couple of Palm programs myself, but I was glad I did. |
| 17:09.02 | RyanE | I don't generally go for 'shareware'. I've only ever bought 3 licenses. All for the Palmpilot. |
| 17:09.09 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd love to give it a try |
| 17:09.41 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: There are a bunch of pretty detailed install logs out on the web. Sounds like fun. :) |
| 17:09.45 | RyanE | One was a remote-control software, which doesn't work on my latest palmpilot, second was iSilo, a doc reader, and the latest is an English-Portuguese dictionary. handy, that one. |
| 17:10.16 | levi | I paid for a couple of little apps on an old cell phone. |
| 17:10.19 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: I've seen a couple of those - maybe eventually some time I'll give it a try |
| 17:10.53 | Uncle_Jesse | there's probably room under the back seats for a normal sized computer |
| 17:11.14 | Uncle_Jesse | or even better - a mac mini would be beautiful |
| 17:11.18 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: It's really sweet when they do custom fiberglass work and stuff to install the visible stuff. |
| 17:11.40 | RyanE | I've considered a MythTV box in my minivan (which would sync with the one in the house). |
| 17:12.10 | RyanE | but as I don't even have a DVD player / screen in there yet, it's pretty low on the priority list. |
| 17:12.20 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: that would be sweet |
| 17:12.26 | tapH20guru | good idea |
| 17:12.28 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Depending on what kind of performance you want, there are a bunch of small form-factor boards that would be much nicer than a clunky mid-tower. |
| 17:12.43 | tapH20guru | the mythtv interface would be great for a car pc |
| 17:12.45 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: yeah - that's the issue - how much money do I want to spend? |
| 17:12.51 | RyanE | I always ponder that when we're on long road trips, for some reason. :) |
| 17:13.17 | RyanE | ... usually between Beaver and Nephi ... |
| 17:14.58 | levi | I think you need one of these: http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000110066398/ |
| 17:15.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd love to set up a big screen that lowers to face outside the back window, so on camping trips I could hook up an X-box and people could play from the bed of the truck |
| 17:16.18 | RyanE | at CES last year, they showed a lot of hatchbacks / etc. that did that. |
| 17:16.32 | RyanE | pretty impractical to have a big screen that's only used when camping. :) |
| 17:16.43 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - but cool and geeky nonetheless |
| 17:16.53 | levi | Show cars are never particularly practical. :) |
| 17:16.54 | RyanE | but the MOST impractical one had video screens in the wheel wells. I never did figure out why you'd want that. |
| 17:17.01 | RyanE | levi: word |
| 17:17.33 | Uncle_Jesse | RyanE: enhances the gaming experience - makes the game more challenging when it's spinning around and around |
| 17:17.37 | tapH20guru | one thing I'd love on a cap-puter is an LCD screen to message other drivers |
| 17:17.43 | tapH20guru | ie: please use your turn signal |
| 17:18.11 | Uncle_Jesse | tapH20guru: a lot of cars are coming with bluetooth now - you could just hack their bluetooth connection |
| 17:18.18 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:18.27 | RyanE | I want a scrolling LED display on the back bumper that can say 'stop tailgaiting, you idiot' |
| 17:18.40 | Uncle_Jesse | now that one would be useful |
| 17:18.41 | RyanE | I guess not ON the bumper... that might encourage them to bump it. |
| 17:18.42 | tapH20guru | lol - like the car-whisperer |
| 17:18.55 | tapH20guru | http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_carwhisperer.html |
| 17:19.11 | tapH20guru | i suppse LED signs aren't too expensive |
| 17:19.24 | RyanE | and a portable laser to lase a message into the back of cars that drive like idiots. Yes, I daydream a bit on the freeway |
| 17:19.31 | tapH20guru | just need a little PC to change the message at the touch of a button |
| 17:19.52 | Uncle_Jesse | my truck uses some sort of rfid to sync the key with the car it was intended for - no signal, no engine start |
| 17:21.24 | Uncle_Jesse | So how good of a place is Murray to live in? We found a house we like there |
| 17:21.34 | levi | Hmm, has anyone seen a Pontiac Solstice driving around? I've heard they're being sold now. |
| 17:21.35 | tapH20guru | nice! strap oe of these to your front bumber and aim... http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/79fd/ |
| 17:24.50 | RyanE | hehehe: Note, this product is not returnable. :) |
| 17:25.02 | markl__ | Uncle_Jesse: see if it can get utopia |
| 17:25.10 | RyanE | the laser I want on the truck will actually burn a permanent message in their paint job. :) |
| 17:25.12 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:25.36 | markl__ | Uncle_Jesse: i live just a little bit east of there in an unincorporated area, it seems nice enough |
| 17:25.46 | markl__ | levi: i saw one at a dealer lot the other day |
| 17:25.49 | markl__ | looks really nice |
| 17:26.25 | levi | markl_: I really like pictures of it from some angles, but others make me wonder. I think I'd have to see it in person to really judge. |
| 17:26.57 | levi | I guess I haven't seen any of the new Miatas driving around either, so it's not surprising I haven't seen Solstices. |
| 17:27.48 | Uncle_Jesse | markl_: this one is just west of I-15, far west Murray. I'm curious about how values are going to go over the next 5-10 years |
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| 17:31.26 | levi | Hmm, Civ IV. I wonder if it's any good. |
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| 17:37.46 | levi | Yow, SGI got delisted. |
| 17:38.05 | levi | They're really crashing and burning. |
| 17:38.40 | levi | Hmm, I guess it's /getting/ delisted. |
| 17:42.03 | levi | Hah! Sony's rootkit DRM software, which installs when you play certain Sony CDs on your computer, can be subverted to hide your WoW cheating program. |
| 17:45.48 | tensai | just name your file with a prefix of "$SYS$" and it'll be hidden by the Sony rootkit |
| 17:47.14 | Newsome | how helpful of it |
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| 18:01.55 | maquis | Newsome: is there a nice way to determine how much paper is in the printers here? |
| 18:02.16 | maquis | (just wondering, since i've got to print a lot of stuff) |
| 18:03.58 | Newsome | maquis: other than looking manually, I'm not sure |
| 18:04.18 | maquis | Newsome: mmk... |
| 18:04.21 | hatchmt | roscivs-l, did you ever get your wireless working? |
| 18:04.29 | maquis | :) |
| 18:04.42 | Newsome | there's more paper in the system office, in case you use it all up |
| 18:06.15 | Hhhhh | what about SGI? |
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| 18:09.03 | maquis | ~steal donuts from spr |
| 18:09.04 | ibot | ACTION grabs donuts from spr and gives it to sjansen |
| 18:09.18 | maquis | hey! |
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| 18:11.39 | sjansen | Linux and Free Software rock! |
| 18:13.39 | tensai | Hhhhh: there stock has been delisted by the NYSE and is now trading as a penny stock |
| 18:14.11 | tensai | s/there/their/ |
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| 18:30.19 | goozbach | care to explain sjansen? |
| 18:30.35 | goozbach | or do you not have anything to back up such an outragous claim |
| 18:33.29 | RyanE | goozbach: I suspect it was an *opinion*, not a *claim*. |
| 18:33.38 | RyanE | and I definitely don't care to explain sjansen. |
| 18:35.09 | graphyx | RyanE: I am not sure anyone could explain sjansen |
| 18:35.25 | vontrapp | ~sjansen |
| 18:35.26 | ibot | sjansen is, like, one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 18:35.34 | vontrapp | there you go |
| 18:35.49 | levi | He must be delerious. Linux and Free Software will be the downfall of the software industry, not to mention western society as a whole. |
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| 18:39.55 | levi | All the talk of Utopia on the PLUG list makes me jealous. |
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| 18:51.47 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: I'm back. And no worky wirelessness. |
| 18:51.56 | maquis | ~hug wikipedia |
| 18:51.59 | ibot | ACTION hugs wikipedia |
| 18:52.11 | tensai | ~marry maquis and wikipedia |
| 18:52.12 | ibot | maquis, do you take wikipedia to be your lawfully wedded spouse? wikipedia, do you take maquis? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 18:57.01 | goozbach | that will be possible in the future |
| 18:57.05 | goozbach | maybe |
| 18:57.13 | goozbach | wikipedia in print |
| 18:57.34 | maquis | goozbach: yup |
| 18:57.56 | jsmith | That's just plain scary! |
| 19:04.50 | Hhhhh | hmm, is the PLUG list interesting? |
| 19:04.59 | Hhhhh | I like controversy |
| 19:05.55 | amcnabb | You can always make it interesting. |
| 19:10.13 | hatchmt | roscivs-l, it turns out that my PCI ID (though it's still a dual-band Atheros like yours) is different: 168c (Atheros Communications, Inc.) : 0013 (AR5212 802.11abg NIC) |
| 19:10.33 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: Nuts. |
| 19:10.38 | roscivs-l | Thanks for looking for me though. |
| 19:10.52 | hatchmt | Let me think if there's anything else you can look at |
| 19:11.09 | hatchmt | I have to bear in mind that I'm on SuSE and you're FC4... (sigh) |
| 19:13.27 | hatchmt | roscivs-l, if you do 'lsmod | grep ath', do you get ath_pci, ath_rate_onoe, wlan, and ath_hal? |
| 19:15.27 | roscivs-l | ath_pci, ath_rate_sample, wlan, and ath_hal |
| 19:16.38 | hatchmt | and iwconfig shows nothing... ...hmmm.... |
| 19:18.05 | roscivs-l | rightyo. |
| 19:18.12 | hatchmt | does the command 'athstats' return anything? |
| 19:18.13 | roscivs-l | and dmesg doesn't tell me anything nasty. |
| 19:18.22 | roscivs-l | athstats: ath0: No such device |
| 19:18.31 | roscivs-l | maybe I should change ath0 back to eth0 ... |
| 19:18.31 | hatchmt | (sigh) |
| 19:18.35 | roscivs-l | i mean vice-versa |
| 19:18.37 | hatchmt | try it |
| 19:19.10 | hatchmt | ...and give me your complete /var/log/messages output from when the atheros drivers are loaded. |
| 19:19.21 | hatchmt | (/msg it to me to keep the channel from getting flooded) |
| 19:20.40 | sjansen | In less than 24 hours I created a custom proof-of-concept live cd internet Web kiosk with potential for use in certification testing. |
| 19:20.53 | sjansen | That is why Linux and Free Software rock hard core. |
| 19:21.37 | tensai | is this the project you were moaning about last night? |
| 19:23.40 | sjansen | yup |
| 19:24.03 | sjansen | knoppix does some odd things in it's boot scripts |
| 19:25.34 | tensai | sjansen: you would love Motorola software. their approach to licensing is the epitome of horrible proprietary software. |
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| 19:27.08 | vontrapp | ack! |
| 19:27.24 | vontrapp | foo ||= bar doesn't evaulate bar if foo is already set |
| 19:27.38 | vontrapp | makes sense, but just didn't expect it i guess |
| 19:27.40 | sjansen | classic lazy evaluation |
| 19:28.42 | vontrapp | it was causing me all sorts of problems though |
| 19:28.42 | sjansen | ~slashdot |
| 19:29.52 | sjansen | kinda funny, use sony's evil drm software to hide your own evil cheats from WoW |
| 19:30.46 | tensai | I'm glad to know I'm not missing anything by not reading slashdot |
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| 19:32.02 | sjansen | maquis: can't, click-though license |
| 19:32.33 | tensai | maquis: wired thinks they may have committed a crime |
| 19:32.33 | tensai | Sony may even have committed a crime under the U.S. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which can carry fines and prison terms for anyone who "knowingly causes the transmission of a program ... and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage, without authorization, to a protected computer." |
| 19:32.38 | sjansen | you agree to let them do whatever they want to your system with the possiblity of a midnight visit wherein they steal your children and sell them into slavery |
| 19:33.15 | tensai | remember kids, just say no to proprietary software. it kills kittens. |
| 19:33.16 | levi | sjansen: Not all click-through licenses are actually enforceable, though. |
| 19:33.20 | maquis | tensai: haha |
| 19:33.37 | maquis | sjansen: levi's right... that was just in the news this week, i believe |
| 19:33.58 | tensai | also in the news, Sony was caught clubbing baby seals |
| 19:34.17 | levi | No... not the baby seals!! |
| 19:43.04 | vontrapp | interesting... a credit card that automatically deposits 1% of all purchases to a savings account |
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| 19:46.13 | amcnabb | vontrapp, which bank? |
| 19:46.18 | amcnabb | just curious |
| 19:46.30 | jsmith | What's the interest rate on the savings account? |
| 19:47.33 | roscivs-l | hatchmt: I changed all references to eth1 to ath0, |
| 19:47.37 | roscivs-l | but I forgot what info you wanted. |
| 19:47.54 | roscivs-l | athstats still says "ath0: No such device" |
| 19:48.24 | roscivs-l | And when I modprobed the module, it still just gives me the same stuff in dmesg as before. |
| 19:49.44 | hatchmt | what does /var/log/messages say? |
| 19:50.06 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. |
| 19:50.07 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. |
| 19:50.07 | roscivs-l | ath_hal: 0.9.14.9 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413) |
| 19:50.07 | roscivs-l | wlan: 0.8.6.0 (EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 19:50.07 | roscivs-l | ath_rate_sample: 1.2 |
| 19:50.07 | roscivs-l | ath_pci: 0.9.6.0 (EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 19:51.20 | hatchmt | after ath_pci, does it say anything about ath0? |
| 19:51.35 | hatchmt | any PCI interrupt stuff from ACPI? |
| 19:51.36 | roscivs-l | nope. not a thing. |
| 19:51.46 | roscivs-l | that's the end of messages. |
| 19:51.49 | hatchmt | huh |
| 19:52.16 | hatchmt | What is the source of your madwifi drivers? Were they packaged with FC4, or did you download them separately? |
| 19:52.27 | roscivs-l | atrpms repository for FC4 |
| 19:52.45 | roscivs-l | ~]# rpm -q madwifi |
| 19:52.47 | roscivs-l | madwifi-0.9.6.0-18.rhfc4.at |
| 19:54.56 | hatchmt | Ever tried compiling your own? |
| 19:55.43 | roscivs-l | nope. is that what you did? |
| 19:58.03 | hatchmt | Currently, I'm using the madwifi drivers provides with the SuSE 9.3 kernel. I have, however, compilied the BSD-branch with much success. |
| 19:58.11 | hatchmt | s/provides/provided |
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| 19:59.50 | hatchmt | http://users.gotsky.com/cvonk/linux/siso/daemons-madwifi.html |
| 20:00.07 | hatchmt | That has instructions for getting the source via CVS and compiling it. |
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| 20:06.27 | vontrapp | ~pummel ubuntu |
| 20:06.52 | vontrapp | doesn't freakin have gaim 1.5.0 |
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| 20:37.11 | spr | How does one enable mod_rewrite in apache? I'm using gallery2 and trying to get it to use mod_rewrite |
| 20:38.53 | sjansen | Inininternetttt ccconnectttion babababack. |
| 20:40.22 | sjansen | spr: all you need to do is load the module and write some rewrite rules |
| 20:40.42 | sjansen | the correct method of loading modules will depend on your distro, what're you using? |
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| 20:42.20 | spr | centos 4.1. But I got it figured out, module was loaded, just needed to allow it for that section |
| 20:43.28 | spr | or more actually, enabled for the directory |
| 20:43.57 | spr | s/actually/acurrately/ |
| 20:54.05 | sjansen | bah, I want to buy a new hard drive but newegg doesn't carry it |
| 20:54.37 | sjansen | zipzoomfly does, but their reviews point seem to indicate they're only as good as newegg if you don't have to return anything |
| 20:54.54 | sjansen | and their reviews seem to indicate that the "in stock" listing could be a lie |
| 20:55.14 | sjansen | is seagate trying to run down inventory before a new announcement or what? |
| 20:56.18 | sjansen | seagate momentus 7200.1 100GB laptop internal |
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| 20:57.54 | hans | ~lart vont |
| 20:57.57 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 20:58.13 | hans | ~attach TheDiff |
| 20:58.54 | sjansen | wow, zipzoomfly apparently even marks out of stock items as "shipped" |
| 20:59.12 | sjansen | no wonder their prices are good, they cut corners left and right |
| 21:00.59 | hans | ~lart global crossing and nufone |
| 21:01.11 | hans | hmm, not exactly what I was hoping for |
| 21:01.36 | hans | jsmith: you know any inside info on the nufone outage? |
| 21:01.44 | hans | all I know is this: http://www.bsdfreak.org/modules/news/article.php?com_mode=nest&com_order=0&storyid=402 |
| 21:06.09 | neybar | sjansen: I tried for almost 2 months to get a seagate momentus 7200 80GB laptop drive. I finally gave up and got a 5200 rpm version. |
| 21:06.26 | neybar | it is probably just as well because my laptop doesn't need any help in the heat dept. |
| 21:06.58 | sjansen | the sad thing is I saw one on newegg about two weeks ago |
| 21:07.13 | sjansen | I decided to wait a day until my pay check had cleared. :-( |
| 21:09.02 | hans | jsmith: know anything about these guys: www.asterlink.com |
| 21:09.14 | neybar | shame on you! valuing cleared paychecks over new gadgets... tisk tisk tisk |
| 21:10.35 | hans | where's your sense of urgency? your reckless reliance on credit? |
| 21:11.13 | tensai | hans: they lost me at "PboX is a proprietary PBX" |
| 21:12.25 | hans | well I didn't look at that. I'm looking at voip termination |
| 21:12.32 | hans | : 2 cents per minute for US48 termination" |
| 21:12.45 | hans | that piques my interest. wonder if I can get a 505 number and make blockbuster happy |
| 21:16.31 | sjansen | heh, half of newegg's complaints are about ups not newegg |
| 21:21.28 | sjansen | maybe I'll got with a hitachi instead |
| 21:22.47 | emcnabb | wow, there's a guy who has taken 1.5 notepads worth of notes in 3 days |
| 21:24.49 | hans | yikes |
| 21:24.58 | hans | did he learn anything? |
| 21:25.06 | hans | or just get writers cramp? |
| 21:27.41 | emcnabb | he seems to be picking up stuff |
| 21:28.00 | emcnabb | he works for NOAA |
| 21:28.27 | emcnabb | (weather guy) |
| 21:29.42 | Uncle_Jesse | those meteorologists are used to taking notes - the courses they have to take are incredible |
| 21:29.49 | Uncle_Jesse | my old boss was one |
| 21:30.05 | hans | maybe he's drawing rain clouds |
| 21:30.17 | vontrapp | snow clouds |
| 21:30.26 | hans | ~weather klru |
| 21:30.34 | emcnabb | he's a smart guy; he has a masters from Wisconsin |
| 21:30.50 | hans | wisconsin gives out masters? |
| 21:30.54 | emcnabb | he's probably only 2 - 3 years older than I am |
| 21:31.07 | emcnabb | University of Wisconsin does |
| 21:31.09 | emcnabb | :-) |
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| 21:44.38 | emcnabb | what does it mean when a process is a "session leader"? |
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| 21:48.33 | elg | it leads a session |
| 21:49.25 | emcnabb | and what session is it leading? |
| 21:52.11 | Tene | http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=366888&seqNum=8&rl=1 |
| 21:52.47 | Tene | re: emcnabb |
| 21:53.16 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 21:53.21 | Tene | np |
| 21:53.28 | emcnabb | I assume it's the same as Linux |
| 21:53.53 | Tene | probably |
| 22:00.40 | elg | always wondered myself |
| 22:04.54 | levi | Has anyone here used process groups? |
| 22:05.33 | levi | They were briefly glossed over in my OS class slides. I'd never used them, so I'd forgotten about them. |
| 22:08.02 | elg | i've never grokked them |
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| 22:17.31 | tensai | ~seen Jayce^ |
| 22:17.40 | ibot | jayce^ <n=Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 1h 57s ago, saying: 'k'. |
| 22:21.54 | Uncle_Jesse | k |
| 22:24.12 | RyanE | Uncle_Jesse: don't do it... the 'k' of death will get you, too! |
| 22:24.21 | sjansen | k |
| 22:24.24 | emcnabb | k |
| 22:33.07 | sjansen | some days, it is good to be a geek |
| 22:38.20 | levi | elg: Well, I just assumed they were a remnant of ancient days, and not particularly relevant. But perhaps there's some way cool thing they make possible. |
| 22:40.24 | elg | well it sounds like they're pretty important in the shell implementation world |
| 22:42.05 | levi | Hmm. |
| 22:43.39 | levi | "To understand why process-groups exist, think back to the world before windowing systems." |
| 22:43.55 | levi | No wonder it doesn't come up much. ;) |
| 22:47.46 | levi | This makes their purpose somewhat clearer: http://www.frostbytes.com/~jimf/papers/signals/signals.html |
| 22:50.24 | goozbach | is this amcnabb? http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9523/broccoli7br.jpg |
| 22:51.02 | elg | looks like it. does he like brocolli? |
| 22:52.20 | goozbach | tis a fark.com photoshop |
| 22:53.17 | elg | well, yeah. that brocolli poster is a bit poorly done |
| 22:53.18 | sjansen | the face doesn't look quite right, any chance of a closeup? |
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| 23:16.37 | jsmith | Howdy tapH20guru |
| 23:16.46 | tapH20guru | howdy |
| 23:18.36 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone watch lost last night? |
| 23:19.18 | tapH20guru | wasn't it a rerun? |
| 23:19.26 | vontrapp | he went to watch it |
| 23:19.31 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 23:20.24 | Uncle_Jesse | I hadn't seen it before, so not to me |
| 23:20.46 | Uncle_Jesse | I think the whole "push the button" thing is just a psychological experiment |
| 23:23.57 | sjansen | I think it preshaodows a tie in with that show about armageddon. |
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| 23:27.08 | sjansen | how could you miss it? it's on just after the show about teenage leftist canadians on vacation to japan in the 70's |
| 23:28.23 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: that 70's show? :-) |
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| 23:29.35 | lars-ut | Has ELI said it's safe to use their backbone again? |
| 23:30.01 | lars-ut | I was affected by the Salt Lake / Utah Valley outage earlier today |
| 23:30.03 | sjansen | *shrug* we've been up for about three hours now |
| 23:30.10 | lars-ut | no word then |
| 23:31.25 | xbmodder_lappy | Is there a way to download some binary data in javascript? |
| 23:31.29 | xbmodder_lappy | "var data = http://www.google.com/intl/en/images/logo.gif" and data actually is the content of http://www.google.com/intl/en/images/logo.gif |
| 23:31.31 | lars-ut | sjansen: did they email you a reason for the outage? |
| 23:31.37 | sjansen | lars-ut: is the alternative slower or something? |
| 23:31.49 | lars-ut | more latency |
| 23:31.56 | lars-ut | wireless |
| 23:32.01 | lars-ut | small office |
| 23:32.19 | lars-ut | faster on some things |
| 23:32.20 | Tene | Heh, I'd be paranoid about using ELI for... anything. |
| 23:33.00 | lars-ut | really? I'd heard that once they got your lines installed you didn't have much to worry about |
| 23:33.34 | Tene | One of our clients has servers in a datacenter downstream from ELI. |
| 23:33.35 | lars-ut | Today's outage didn't install much confidence for me or my direct reports though |
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| 23:33.54 | sjansen | lars-ut: according to my boss "the rsm module failed and the backup didn't come up; they had to pull out the card and re-seat it" |
| 23:33.58 | Tene | It's very... ungood. |
| 23:35.15 | Uncle_Jesse | hmmm...fictional curse words |
| 23:35.25 | Uncle_Jesse | my mind just got thinking |
| 23:35.33 | lars-ut | I just ordered a data line and a separate PRI for voice channels |
| 23:35.40 | lars-ut | from them. |
| 23:36.08 | sjansen | we haven't had any problems to speak of with them |
| 23:36.26 | lars-ut | sjansen: this appears isolated then? |
| 23:36.43 | sjansen | our biggest problem, until it was recently replaced, was a piece of trash dell router that'd suddenly die if you used vlans |
| 23:38.08 | lars-ut | I hope this doesn't happen again for 3 or 4 years - I thought I'd made an informed decision. |
| 23:39.25 | sjansen | lars-ut: I'm probably not a good person to ask. I'm not responsible for our network. If it helps, though, I only remember one other definite problem with them about 9 months ago. Bad BGP or something. |
| 23:40.05 | lars-ut | that does help a bit. thanks |
| 23:43.53 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here have a hotscripts account? |
| 23:45.20 | vontrapp | how do you increase the scrollback in a terminal? |
| 23:46.40 | sjansen | vontrapp: like gnome-terminal? it's a preference |
| 23:46.47 | vontrapp | uxterm |
| 23:48.27 | Tene | vontrapp: .Xresources |
| 23:49.34 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (n=emcnabb@70.88.130.148) |
| 23:54.21 | *** join/#utah drewbono (n=andrew@c-24-2-95-76.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:57.12 | sjansen | so what's the advantage of uxterm? |
| 23:59.49 | vontrapp | no annoying scrollbar |
| 23:59.56 | vontrapp | nice font |
