| 00:26.56 | DroppedPacket | ~taunt goozbach |
| 00:27.00 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at goozbach |
| 00:27.23 | emcnabb | ~lart DroppedPacket |
| 00:27.50 | PacketStorm | ~flood emcnabb |
| 00:27.52 | ibot | ACTION blasts emcnabb with a huge firehose then strangles emcnabb with it |
| 00:27.56 | *** part/#utah Uncle_Jesse (n=jstay@166.70.183.108) |
| 00:28.00 | thegrue | ~flog goozbach |
| 00:28.01 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties goozbach and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 00:28.02 | emcnabb | bad ibot |
| 00:28.23 | thegrue | bad emcnabb |
| 00:28.44 | emcnabb | I can't keep track of everyone today |
| 00:28.46 | emcnabb | nooo!!! |
| 00:30.41 | emcnaab | ~haunt emcnaab |
| 00:30.46 | emcnaab | er... |
| 00:30.49 | emcnaab | ~haunt emcnabb |
| 00:32.18 | sjansen_loser | ~lart emcnaab |
| 00:32.31 | sjansen_loser | yeah emcnaab - you are evil |
| 00:34.09 | sjamsen | blah blah blah python sucks |
| 00:34.24 | sjamsen | blah blah blah kill Monty |
| 00:35.29 | sjansenLUVSibot | ~kiss ibot |
| 00:35.33 | ibot | ACTION smooches ibot on the forehead |
| 00:35.50 | sjansenLUVSibot | ~kiss sjansenLUVSibot |
| 00:35.51 | ibot | ACTION smooches sjansenLUVSibot on the lips |
| 00:35.59 | sjansenLUVSibot | ~makeout sjansenLUVSibot |
| 00:36.18 | sjansenLUVSibot | ibot is my cyberwoman |
| 00:36.57 | sjansenLUVSibot | ouch |
| 00:38.34 | emcnabbLUVSwin95 | sometimes the truth hurts |
| 00:39.24 | sjamsen | windows 95 was the greatest OS ever!!! |
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| 00:49.46 | sjamsen | http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05303/596210.stm |
| 00:53.09 | sjamsen | how to survive the coming robot invasion |
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| 01:07.21 | darl_mcbride | -lart sjansenLUVSibot |
| 01:07.31 | darl_mcbride | hmmm |
| 01:07.42 | darl_mcbride | ~lart sjansenLUVSibot |
| 01:08.04 | sjansenLUVSibot | hello SCO lover |
| 01:08.06 | darl_mcbride | ChrisSnotrag: nice to have you around :) |
| 01:08.41 | ChrisSnotrag | FUD FUD FUD |
| 01:09.12 | ChrisSnotrag | wtf QJMM |
| 01:09.17 | ChrisSnotrag | ~wtf QJMM |
| 01:09.26 | darl_mcbride | ChrisSnotrag: where did FUD go? |
| 01:09.38 | darl_mcbride | did he sign off? |
| 01:09.41 | sjansenLUVSibot | ~sue darl_mcbride |
| 01:09.47 | sjansenLUVSibot | ~sue ChrisSnotrag |
| 01:10.15 | ChrisSnotrag | "We look forward to having our Linux infringement claims heard in court!" |
| 01:11.28 | ChrisSnotrag | Quoting from my good friend Lionel Hutz: "We have plenty of hearsay and conjecture - those are *kinds* of evidence" |
| 01:17.48 | RalphLiarro | So, if I eat all the Halloween candy myself, can I just turn off the porch light, and have a peaceful night??? |
| 01:31.58 | \foo | RalphLiarro: dump it in a pile on your porch and turn off the light |
| 01:32.14 | \foo | that way you don't have to deal with the crash after the sugar high |
| 01:32.28 | fear | \foo: but then you don't get to eat all the candy |
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| 01:49.40 | fear | drscheme changed its splash-screen today |
| 01:49.43 | fear | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~sharmahd/halloween.jpg |
| 01:51.26 | Tene | http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1605266,00.html |
| 01:53.54 | fear | hmmm |
| 01:54.01 | fear | not too many fouls, i would guess |
| 02:09.50 | fear | ~seen levi |
| 02:09.58 | ibot | levi <n=levi@66.239.25.2.ptr.us.xo.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 5h 49m 51s ago, saying: 'hans: I'll bet physicists with small or nonexistant classical music collections care about Kelvin, too.'. |
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| 03:16.11 | fear | -lart emcnabb |
| 03:16.17 | fear | where's brac?? |
| 03:16.20 | fear | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:23.54 | fear | trick or treat? |
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| 03:31.56 | thegrue | boo humbug |
| 04:01.41 | hans | sheep? |
| 04:09.44 | fear | mmm... roast lamb? |
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| 04:15.39 | SCOsWorstNightma | bah |
| 04:15.45 | fear | haha |
| 04:16.28 | SCOsWorstNightma | "Some of these wrongful disclosures include areas such as an entire file management system; others are communications by IBM personnel working on Linux that resulted in enhancing Linux functionality by disclosing a method or concept from Unix technology," SCO said. "The numerosity and substantiality of the disclosures reflects the pervasive extent and sustained degree as to which IBM disclosed methods, concepts, and in m |
| 04:16.28 | SCOsWorstNightma | any places, literal code, from Unix-derived technologies in order to enhance the ability of Linux to be used as a scalable and reliable operating system for business and as an alternative to proprietary Unix systems such as those licensed by SCO and others." |
| 04:16.35 | SCOsWorstNightma | haha |
| 04:19.12 | fear | numerosity? |
| 04:19.22 | fear | ~dict numerosity |
| 04:19.41 | fear | wow... it's actually a word? |
| 04:21.37 | amon-re | ooh... |
| 04:21.44 | amon-re | power... |
| 04:24.54 | amon-re | levi_: can i get a hand with something? |
| 04:25.16 | amon-re | this interpreter doesn't seem to be working correctly |
| 04:26.05 | levi | Darn people using my nick. |
| 04:26.21 | maquis | levi: ghost'em |
| 04:26.34 | levi | I did! |
| 04:27.36 | SCOsWorstNightma | http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-5924838.html?part=rss&tag=5924838&subj=news |
| 04:27.43 | levi | I just finished watching the first season of Babylon 5. |
| 04:28.07 | SCOsWorstNightma | well, I just finished the fifth season of Babylon 1 |
| 04:43.48 | hans | sourceforge made the mistake of soliciting feedback in that email |
| 04:52.45 | levi | I guess they let hans have it right back. |
| 04:54.15 | thegrue | quick everyone what's a good character chooser gui app? |
| 04:56.19 | Tene | thegrue: 'charmap' |
| 04:57.38 | thegrue | no dice |
| 04:57.47 | thegrue | would it be in another package |
| 04:57.48 | Tene | it exists on my system. lemme see where it's from |
| 04:57.49 | thegrue | ? |
| 04:58.00 | Tene | gnome-utils |
| 04:58.06 | thegrue | hmmm |
| 04:59.13 | thegrue | dasher? |
| 04:59.26 | thegrue | to find unicode characheters |
| 04:59.36 | thegrue | ? |
| 04:59.43 | DarlMcBrideIsABi | no, but it's a "good character chooser gui app" :) |
| 05:00.11 | DarlMcBrideIsABi | well, "gFatLiar" didn't fit |
| 05:00.31 | thegrue | maq: why are you out of costume? |
| 05:00.49 | maquis | thegrue: because i was /msg-ing with levi, and it won't let me do that while in-costume |
| 05:01.09 | thegrue | ahh |
| 05:01.51 | maquis | thegrue: ??? |
| 05:03.32 | maquis | ok... so, this is really annoying me |
| 05:03.49 | maquis | this php script that displays our score on our homework doesn't put a space after the number |
| 05:03.57 | maquis | so, you get: A score of 100was recorded |
| 05:04.07 | maquis | instead of A score of 100 was recorded" |
| 05:04.11 | maquis | it would be really easy to fix |
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| 05:05.05 | thegrue | how does one type a unicode charater? |
| 05:15.37 | thegrue | NM a cut and paste works |
| 05:31.35 | maquis | great quote: Typically, computer geeks think that being right is enough. Those of us who live in the real world know that this is barely a factor in decision-making. |
| 05:34.19 | levi | Decision making in the real world is deciding what 'right' is. |
| 05:35.58 | levi | 'being right' is a pretty nebulous thing, anyway. |
| 05:36.12 | thegrue | bah I'm right |
| 05:36.18 | thegrue | end of discussion! |
| 05:39.06 | maquis | thegrue: check your /msg (for yourself... not your costume) |
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| 05:47.29 | CerealKiller | ~lart maquis |
| 05:49.57 | maquis | ~lart CerealKiller |
| 05:50.03 | maquis | RaisinBran: i'll protect you |
| 05:50.10 | maquis | or at least ibot will :) |
| 05:50.16 | maquis | RaisinBran: it would be... interesting? |
| 05:50.35 | CerealKiller | ~kill RaisinBran |
| 05:50.38 | ibot | ACTION shoots a anti-positrino gun at RaisinBran |
| 05:50.47 | maquis | ~block CerealKiller |
| 05:50.57 | CerealKiller | ~fish maquis |
| 05:50.59 | ibot | ACTION slaps maquis around with a large trout |
| 05:51.05 | maquis | ~tree CerealKiller |
| 05:51.07 | ibot | ACTION sizes up a tree and chops it down in just the right place to fall on CerealKiller. |
| 05:51.18 | CerealKiller | ~duck maquis |
| 05:51.19 | ibot | ACTION gives maquis a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels maquis with it's big white wings. |
| 05:51.46 | dust-puppy | w00t! |
| 05:52.00 | CerealKiller | ~burn dust-puppy |
| 05:52.01 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over dust-puppy, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 05:52.18 | Tene | ibot: s/it's/its/ duck |
| 05:52.37 | Tene | ~duck maquis |
| 05:52.39 | ibot | ACTION gives maquis a fuzzy, ugly little duckling, which immediately grows into a full sized swan and pummels maquis with it's big white wings. |
| 05:55.49 | thegrue | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/derek/archives/vim_movement_keycaps.png |
| 05:55.49 | maquis | stupid /msg rule |
| 05:56.55 | thegrue | and the duck |
| 05:57.11 | thegrue | and pours water on the HumanTorch |
| 05:57.19 | thegrue | then promptly eats him |
| 05:57.38 | HumanTorch | and the human torch lights up inside the grue |
| 05:57.46 | maquis | heartburn |
| 05:58.57 | goozbach | goodnight moon |
| 06:34.46 | mheath | I use DynDNS to keep a hostname up to date with my dynamic IP..... |
| 06:35.00 | mheath | And my router has functionality built in to autoupdate with their servers |
| 06:35.27 | mheath | however, they were attacked a bit, and disabled ALL access by clients that identify as "client/1.0", shutting all such routers functionality out |
| 06:36.12 | mheath | What bugs me is, in their warning letter, they say that they have 10,000 clients idnentifying as "client/1.0", and "most of these are invalid" |
| 06:36.32 | mheath | They can detect enough are invalid to make that statement, yet they can't filter the invalid ones? |
| 06:37.05 | findlay | ~miss maquis |
| 06:37.07 | ibot | ACTION whips from his hip a six shooter and fires just to the right of maquis |
| 06:37.35 | findlay | couldn't keep the costume eh maquis? |
| 06:37.41 | findlay | (; |
| 06:37.54 | maquis | findlay: if i want to /msg with anybody, i have to get out of costume |
| 06:37.56 | maquis | it's a pain |
| 06:38.10 | findlay | just /register your costume |
| 06:38.13 | maquis | findlay: i noticed that you couldn't handle your costume for very long either |
| 06:38.19 | findlay | (: |
| 06:38.24 | maquis | findlay: not very good when your costume is already registered to someone else |
| 06:38.29 | findlay | couldn't think of a good one |
| 06:38.38 | findlay | (: |
| 06:39.03 | findlay | afiakak, or whatever, there's no smiley RFC |
| 06:39.28 | findlay | so I'm perfectly legitimate to use my own proprietary format |
| 06:43.08 | TheDiff|networks | booo proprietary |
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| 06:55.03 | xbmodder | :( |
| 06:55.05 | xbmodder | I want to make a web (like a graph) of a website. basically what page links to another. are there any tools out there for that? |
| 06:55.36 | xbmodder | UUG had a costume party? |
| 06:55.41 | xbmodder | maquis, what were you? |
| 06:56.05 | maquis | xbmodder: no... |
| 06:56.09 | maquis | #utah had one.. |
| 06:56.35 | xbmodder | damn. |
| 06:56.47 | xbmodder | mheath, what'd you and your friends do? |
| 06:57.19 | maquis | xbmodder: you could've joined |
| 06:57.23 | maquis | it's just a matter of changing your nick |
| 06:57.29 | fear | see :) |
| 06:57.34 | xbmodder | lol |
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| 06:58.53 | fishyfire | anyone have any advice on who to take cs 236 from? |
| 06:59.09 | fear | fishyfire: who's teaching next semester? |
| 06:59.21 | fishyfire | David Embley, and Scott Woodfield |
| 06:59.26 | xbmodder | I missed xbmodder |
| 06:59.49 | fishyfire | fear: any experience with either? |
| 07:00.08 | fear | fishyfire: dr woodfield is the uug advisor |
| 07:00.49 | RaisinBran | take from Woodfield if those are your only options |
| 07:01.06 | fear | fishyfire: to your question, yes, but i can't /msg because someone else owns this nick |
| 07:01.27 | fishyfire | should i wait for another semester, and take it from someone else? |
| 07:01.36 | fishyfire | lol, okay |
| 07:02.10 | fear | fishyfire: depends on what you need to take that is dependent on 236 |
| 07:02.18 | fear | and what else you're taking each of the semesters |
| 07:02.26 | fishyfire | i guess that's true |
| 07:02.50 | WhiteShirtNinja | get 236 out of the way. I took it my third semester |
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| 07:03.28 | fishyfire | yeah, i have 240 to take, and maybe some others.... |
| 07:03.46 | WhiteShirtNinja | piling those two together might not be wise |
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| 07:04.07 | fishyfire | oh, i wouldn't do that! |
| 07:04.24 | fear | ooh! i did that!!! |
| 07:04.26 | WhiteShirtNinja | In general 240 should be the only programming class you'd take in one semester, unless you're a really crazy coder |
| 07:04.31 | fear | it was really stupid!!! |
| 07:04.56 | fishyfire | i register tomorrow and decided it would probably be a good thing to have a clue of what i am registering for |
| 07:05.59 | fishyfire | i have ecen 320, 370, physics 281, and math 334 this semester.... little too much |
| 07:06.43 | WhiteShirtNinja | 320 probably shouldn't be mixed with many programming classes either |
| 07:06.57 | WhiteShirtNinja | Is Jeff's teaching 370 again next semester? |
| 07:07.24 | WhiteShirtNinja | who do you have for 334 / who is available? |
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| 07:08.03 | fear | CSProfCritic: agreed... sharing those opinions is not a smart idea |
| 07:08.08 | fishyfire | oops... i accidently closed this window.... what did you guys just say? |
| 07:08.11 | fishyfire | sorry..... |
| 07:08.30 | fear | fishyfire: nothing while you were gone |
| 07:08.53 | fishyfire | i saw some of it before i accidently hit the x.... |
| 07:09.10 | fishyfire | something about not being in 320 with many programming classes |
| 07:09.19 | fishyfire | and is Jeff's teaching 370 |
| 07:09.26 | fishyfire | can you repost that stuff? |
| 07:09.53 | fear | fishyfire: the only thing after those two was "who's available for 334?" |
| 07:10.07 | fishyfire | okay |
| 07:10.25 | fishyfire | i have jeff's this semester, Frost is teaching it next semester |
| 07:10.42 | WhiteShirtNinja | Frost did a poor job last semester |
| 07:10.48 | CSProfCritic | one of my favorite classes was actually an EE class. 451, I think it was. |
| 07:10.49 | WhiteShirtNinja | Jeff's is apparently a lot better |
| 07:11.09 | fishyfire | hmm.... |
| 07:11.11 | WhiteShirtNinja | I can't remember what I've heard about Cardon for 334. |
| 07:11.26 | fishyfire | i have 334 this semester... |
| 07:11.36 | WhiteShirtNinja | At least he probably speaks English, |
| 07:11.38 | WhiteShirtNinja | oh |
| 07:11.41 | WhiteShirtNinja | from? |
| 07:12.08 | fishyfire | Dallon |
| 07:13.53 | WhiteShirtNinja | wait, so you're in 370 now? I really need to catch up on what is going on in there. |
| 07:14.03 | fishyfire | yes.... sorry for the confusion |
| 07:14.16 | fishyfire | i am in 320, 370, math 334, and physics 281 this semester |
| 07:14.57 | fishyfire | your in 370? |
| 07:15.01 | WhiteShirtNinja | yes |
| 07:15.26 | fishyfire | i have lots of catching up to do also |
| 07:15.34 | fishyfire | taking any of those other classes? |
| 07:16.34 | WhiteShirtNinja | I took 320 and 334 last fall. I don't need to take 281 for CompE, and at this point I need to fit the remaining classes into 2 semesters. |
| 07:17.37 | fishyfire | I'm CompE also, 281 is just one of the electives i chose |
| 07:18.14 | WhiteShirtNinja | I need to sit down and make sure I can fit it all in before I commit to a summer internship |
| 07:18.29 | fishyfire | what classes do you have left? |
| 07:18.47 | fishyfire | planning on grad school? |
| 07:19.40 | SpecialZ | all the 400 ones |
| 07:19.57 | SpecialZ | nope, I'm done with school for now. |
| 07:21.07 | fear | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/48820/ShowPost.aspx |
| 07:22.55 | SpecialZ | Plus Bio 100, I'm saving that one |
| 07:23.30 | fishyfire | lol |
| 07:23.34 | fishyfire | i still have that one to take |
| 07:23.41 | fishyfire | have you taken chem yet? |
| 07:23.44 | fishyfire | any recommendations? |
| 07:23.53 | fear | fishyfire: take it next semester! |
| 07:24.07 | fishyfire | from who? |
| 07:24.09 | SpecialZ | yes, but the jerk retired after giving me the lower grade on a borderline. |
| 07:24.15 | fear | i'm taking it with the lecture at 10 and the lab at 12, i think |
| 07:24.33 | fear | i'm oging to try to challenge bio 100 |
| 07:24.49 | fishyfire | which section? |
| 07:24.53 | fishyfire | chem 105 right? |
| 07:24.55 | fear | dunno |
| 07:24.57 | fear | yeah |
| 07:25.08 | fear | let me check on section |
| 07:25.11 | fishyfire | k |
| 07:25.16 | SpecialZ | That's not a lab time, that's recitation. |
| 07:25.23 | fear | SpecialZ: yeah |
| 07:25.30 | fear | whatever that thing is |
| 07:25.38 | fear | they call them labs in non-science classes |
| 07:25.48 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 07:25.58 | fear | fishyfire: 19 |
| 07:26.15 | fishyfire | i think i can move a class around and fit that in.... |
| 07:26.19 | fishyfire | would be good to have over |
| 07:26.23 | fear | :) |
| 07:26.33 | fear | i almost had to the 8:00 every day |
| 07:26.36 | fear | that would've sucked |
| 07:26.47 | fishyfire | hmm... is ecen 324, cs 236, and chem 105 too much for one semester? |
| 07:27.05 | fear | personally, i'd say yes |
| 07:27.28 | SpecialZ | That seems as manageable as it's liable to get |
| 07:27.29 | fishyfire | hmmm.... how time consuming is 324? |
| 07:27.49 | SpecialZ | more so at the end it would seem, so far I've been able to last minute most of it. |
| 07:28.02 | fear | fishyfire: looks like there's still plenty of seats available for chem105 in that section |
| 07:28.10 | fishyfire | does that sound better than what i am in this semester? |
| 07:28.16 | fishyfire | more manageable? |
| 07:28.22 | fishyfire | i am also working 15-20 hours a week |
| 07:28.30 | fishyfire | and trying to get a business started |
| 07:28.30 | fear | fishyfire: i have no idea on the EE classes, but 324 is a bit time-consuming |
| 07:28.48 | fear | 236 is also a bit time consuming |
| 07:28.51 | fear | no idea on chem |
| 07:28.51 | SpecialZ | I didn't see any EE classes there. |
| 07:29.10 | SpecialZ | Chem was a breeze compared to any EE class |
| 07:29.27 | fear | SpecialZ: she was wondering in comparison to current classes |
| 07:29.32 | fishyfire | ee classes this semester..... ee320, 370, math 334, and physics 281 |
| 07:29.57 | SpecialZ | There would be people in there whining about how hard of a class chem was, and I'd say it was my easiest class. |
| 07:30.04 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 07:30.13 | fishyfire | so it is easy compared to any of the ee classes? |
| 07:30.28 | SpecialZ | definitely |
| 07:30.42 | fishyfire | hmmm.... well maybe i will take it then |
| 07:30.43 | SpecialZ | what sort of business are you starting? |
| 07:32.29 | fear | http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000510065823/ |
| 07:33.41 | SpecialZ | From what I can tell, 236 and 324's heavy crunch times don't overlap, but I'm currently in 324 and took 236 two years ago. |
| 07:33.54 | fishyfire | okay, that's good to know |
| 07:34.15 | fishyfire | Well maybe i will plan that way for now |
| 07:34.17 | fear | 324 and 345 on the other hand..... |
| 07:34.28 | fear | projects are due on the same day every time... |
| 07:34.34 | fishyfire | ouch! |
| 07:34.43 | SpecialZ | CompE's don't take 345 |
| 07:34.56 | fear | SpecialZ: just commenting |
| 07:35.05 | fishyfire | well i might as well take chem as opposed to a different ecen class... if it's going to be as easy |
| 07:35.15 | fear | anyone else think that that microscope is cool? |
| 07:36.17 | fishyfire | that does look cool |
| 07:36.23 | SpecialZ | you could take 380, or some other class |
| 07:36.34 | fishyfire | how is 380 time wise? |
| 07:36.57 | fishyfire | would you recommend that in place of one of the others (324, 236 or 105) |
| 07:37.20 | fishyfire | i know i need to get 380 in there sometime too |
| 07:37.44 | SpecialZ | It depends where you want your programming classes and where you want your math classes |
| 07:37.53 | SpecialZ | 380 being a math class. |
| 07:38.36 | fishyfire | is one a pre-req for more classes than the other? |
| 07:39.14 | SpecialZ | I thought Chem 105 was a pre Req for Physics 281 |
| 07:39.27 | fishyfire | hmmm.... |
| 07:39.43 | SpecialZ | EE 380 is a pre req for harder signal processing classes. |
| 07:39.59 | SpecialZ | and some senior projects |
| 07:40.03 | fishyfire | nope. just 121 and 220 |
| 07:41.11 | fear | I'm sure it will come as a shock to many, but all of those folks pushing for stricter intellectual property controls have apparently been exaggerating their arguments and making misleading statements to support their position. |
| 07:41.42 | fishyfire | huh? |
| 07:41.46 | fear | their current tactic is to make it look as though intellectual property is being eroded, when they've won almost every legal battle they've faced over the last decade. So, they're concocting stories and analogies that don't make any sense to push for stronger controls while making it look like they're just trying to "protect the status quo." |
| 07:41.56 | fear | http://techdirt.com/articles/20051031/1319218_F.shtml |
| 07:44.30 | fear | Ed Whitacre, in an interview suggest that it's only a matter of time before they start going after any of the services that make the internet useful to try to make them pay up to remain reachable? When asked about companies like Google, Yahoo and Vonage, he says: "Now what they would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a return on it. So there's going to have to be som |
| 07:46.24 | fishyfire | well i have to be up a bit before 6 |
| 07:46.31 | fishyfire | so it's time for me to head |
| 07:46.38 | fishyfire | thanks for the advice guys |
| 07:46.41 | fishyfire | nite... |
| 07:46.55 | fear | gnight |
| 07:47.09 | SpecialZ | 'night |
| 07:48.44 | findlay | hey, it's another /. colone |
| 07:54.13 | SpecialZ | file sharing not theft, the Supreme Court has even said so. They clearly distinguished between copyright infringement and theft in a 1985 case, where they said, "(copyright infringement) does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud... The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. |
| 07:55.51 | SpecialZ | ~lart fear for pushing me off on that tangent |
| 07:56.38 | findlay | ~lart /. cologne |
| 07:57.31 | SpecialZ | only the finest colognac! |
| 08:00.18 | findlay | there is only one /. to rule them all! |
| 08:01.00 | findlay | the rest are just alchohol and aromatic oils |
| 08:02.45 | SpecialZ | no, strongbad's colognac is pretty much gasoline. |
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| 14:35.07 | graphyx | What SIP gateway providers are people using? |
| 14:45.43 | hans | nufone |
| 14:45.53 | hans | by gateway you mean voip->pstn right? |
| 14:58.10 | graphyx | hans: yes |
| 14:58.19 | graphyx | We are trying to find a replacement for our current gateway. |
| 15:03.01 | hans | http://whatisja.ytmnd.com/ |
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| 16:15.24 | emcnabb | is there a place on the system where it tells you which man page section contains which commands? |
| 16:15.48 | emcnabb | like: 1->User Commands, 5->Config files, etc |
| 16:16.30 | emcnabb | I guess I meant to say: is there a way to see each section's description? |
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| 16:17.55 | vontrapp | man man |
| 16:18.18 | vontrapp | ;) |
| 16:18.56 | emcnabb | I didn't see it in there |
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| 16:19.06 | vontrapp | didn't know there was a man section for games |
| 16:25.48 | vontrapp | emcnabb: second page |
| 16:26.19 | Uncle_Jesse | what place has the cheapest DVD of ROTS today? |
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| 16:54.28 | phinux | sjansen should come to byu uug on Nov 15th and as Jeff Waugh for one. |
| 16:55.08 | Uncle_Jesse | is Jeff Waugh some Ubuntu guy or something? |
| 16:55.51 | phinux | yup. |
| 16:56.12 | hans | so is it wow or woe or waghghghghg? |
| 16:57.25 | Uncle_Jesse | what will Jeff Waugh be talking about? |
| 16:59.36 | phinux | You know, I'm actually not sure what he's speaking on. |
| 17:02.06 | phinux | I just asked the club prez. Here's what she says: |
| 17:02.12 | phinux | as far as i understand, he'll be talking about the new release (breezy) of ubuntu, and a bit about the future of ubuntu (and possibly of linux on the desktop) |
| 17:03.15 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting...might be fun to go |
| 17:04.51 | emcnabb | vontrapp, where is it on the second page? |
| 17:04.56 | emcnabb | the second page of man man |
| 17:04.57 | emcnabb | ? |
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| 17:06.53 | vontrapp | emcnabb: yeah, as in the second terminal sized page |
| 17:07.01 | vontrapp | (press space once) |
| 17:08.02 | maquis | wow... didn't see this conversation in here |
| 17:08.34 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: he is one of the lead developers for ubuntu, and also an active contributor to gnome |
| 17:09.05 | maquis | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2005/view/e_spkr/1549 |
| 17:09.10 | maquis | ^^ info about jeff |
| 17:09.13 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: cool - that's what I got from Google. I'd be interested to hear more on his view of the future of gnome |
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| 17:14.45 | emcnabb | vontrapp, where is the list on the page? |
| 17:17.09 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: come to the meeting and ask him! |
| 17:19.38 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I might just do that. I don't think I've ever been to a UUG meeting before. |
| 17:21.20 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: we'd love to have you! |
| 17:23.51 | sjansen | ~lart maquis for throwing light switch raves |
| 17:24.06 | maquis | huh? |
| 17:28.11 | sjansen | knowing is half the battle |
| 17:28.46 | tensai | emcnabb: http://paste.lisp.org/display/13123 |
| 17:29.09 | Uncle_Jesse | why does cold medicine always take so long to take effect? |
| 17:30.10 | sjansen | basic chemistry, if you're chilling your medicine it's going to react slower |
| 17:30.28 | sjansen | next time, try letting keeping it at room temperature |
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| 17:31.27 | neybar_work | rofl |
| 17:31.38 | Uncle_Jesse | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 17:31.39 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 17:31.57 | maquis | ~flog sjansen |
| 17:31.58 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties sjansen and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 17:32.44 | tensai | emcnabb: http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=1&topic=man |
| 17:38.01 | maquis | question for people, particularly those who are running fc4 |
| 17:38.16 | maquis | does anybody have anything in /proc/acpi/fan/? |
| 17:39.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't |
| 17:39.33 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: does your fan run constantly? |
| 17:40.33 | Uncle_Jesse | no - in fact it turns on and off when it gets hot |
| 17:40.44 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: hmm |
| 17:40.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I run a laptop - does that count? |
| 17:40.51 | maquis | mso, maybe i'm looking in the wrong place/ |
| 17:40.56 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: mine's a laptop too |
| 17:41.01 | maquis | the fan *never* turns off |
| 17:41.06 | goozbach | feliz dia de los muertos |
| 17:41.08 | maquis | and my temperature was at 42 degrees earlier |
| 17:41.18 | maquis | goozbach: Ud tambien :) |
| 17:42.17 | sjansen | ~mata goozbach |
| 17:43.31 | sjansen | ~mata goozbach |
| 17:43.32 | ibot | ACTION saca una faca, grita e corre atras de goozbach |
| 17:45.01 | vontrapp | maquis: hans once had that problem with his work laptop, it was an ibm i think |
| 17:46.42 | vontrapp | speaking of cpus, how do you change what the default governer is for the powernow module? |
| 17:48.08 | Newsome | Hmm... "List your current and previous three employers..." but they only give 3 blanks... |
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| 17:49.31 | RyanE | translated into english: list your last 3 employers, including your current employer, if employed. |
| 17:49.43 | vontrapp | current UNION former LIMIT 3 |
| 17:49.50 | RyanE | if you're an unemployed (or unemployable) bum, please leave now. |
| 17:50.20 | jsmith | vontrapp: Don't forget the ORDER BY clause |
| 17:50.49 | vontrapp | no, that's not important, just include the ones that reflect well on you ;) |
| 17:52.48 | Newsome | how will I come up with the three then? :) |
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| 17:53.39 | RyanE | Newsome: go back in time, and impress and un-offend all those people. |
| 17:53.39 | maquis | vontrapp: yeah... it's supposed to be controlled by the bios |
| 17:53.47 | maquis | but i can't see anything in the bios config for it |
| 17:53.50 | maquis | and it's really annoying |
| 17:54.13 | vontrapp | maquis, you have an ibm rightt? |
| 17:54.18 | maquis | vontrapp: yup |
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| 17:54.53 | vontrapp | ask hans when he gets back |
| 17:54.59 | maquis | vontrapp: mmk |
| 17:55.06 | vontrapp | was a kernel thing if i remember |
| 17:56.24 | maquis | grrr |
| 17:56.36 | Newsome | maquis: gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep HZ |
| 17:56.50 | maquis | Newsome: huh? |
| 17:57.04 | maquis | Newsome: whazzat do? |
| 17:57.05 | Newsome | maquis: How high is CONFIG_HZ set? |
| 17:57.21 | Newsome | number of times/second that interrupts are processed |
| 17:57.42 | Newsome | if it's higher, sometimes the CPU will heat up more |
| 17:57.47 | maquis | [osiris erins] gunzip -c /proc/config.gz | grep HZ |
| 17:57.48 | maquis | gunzip: /proc/config.gz: No such file or directory |
| 17:57.52 | Newsome | hrm |
| 17:58.00 | maquis | Newsome: if the CPU is 42 degrees, i would hope it's not overheating |
| 17:58.06 | Newsome | ~lart FC kernel config |
| 17:59.08 | vontrapp | who would NOT enable config.gz? |
| 17:59.43 | maquis | Newsome: i think this is what you want: |
| 17:59.49 | maquis | [osiris src] cat linux-2.6.13.3/.config | grep CONFIG_HZ |
| 17:59.50 | maquis | # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set |
| 17:59.50 | maquis | # CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set |
| 17:59.50 | maquis | CONFIG_HZ_1000=y |
| 17:59.50 | maquis | CONFIG_HZ=1000 |
| 18:00.02 | Newsome | yeah |
| 18:00.28 | vontrapp | zgrep CONFIG_HZ /proc/config.gz is cooler |
| 18:00.46 | vontrapp | that way, you KNOW that it's the running kernels config you are looking at |
| 18:00.52 | maquis | vontrapp: yeah |
| 18:01.39 | maquis | the thing i do know is that i have no idea how to recompile a kernel and get it to run, given the way that fedora handles things |
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| 18:02.39 | maquis | SpecialZ: does that look good? bad? |
| 18:02.45 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 18:03.00 | SpecialZ | what? |
| 18:05.21 | maquis | er |
| 18:06.00 | maquis | the question was for Newsome but i saw SpecialZ's name while typing |
| 18:06.29 | graphyx | easily distracted by a guy... |
| 18:06.48 | Newsome | maquis: if your computer isn't overheating, I'm not certain exactly why the fan would run all the time |
| 18:07.25 | Newsome | maquis: I was trying to figure out why it was overheating, but 1000 doesn't seem to be causing much problem |
| 18:07.27 | graphyx | Perhaps it is a feature. |
| 18:07.58 | maquis | Newsome: i found something on some forums claiming that newer ibm laptops don't let the OS control the fan --- it has to be cntrolled by the BIOS |
| 18:10.11 | maquis | however, i went to my BIOS, and i didn't see a single thing there that even mentioned the fan |
| 18:10.56 | RyanE | maquis: did you un-select the 'use as a space heater' option in the BIOS? |
| 18:11.07 | maquis | ~lart RyanE |
| 18:12.04 | maquis | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_fan_noise |
| 18:12.11 | maquis | Always-on problem: |
| 18:12.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.14 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.52 | sjansen | ~taunt maquis |
| 18:12.54 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at maquis |
| 18:13.01 | maquis | ~mock sjansen |
| 18:13.02 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 18:14.13 | sjansen | maquis: is this a problem you only see in fedora but not in other distros you've used on the laptop? |
| 18:14.27 | maquis | sjansen: i don't recall it being a problem with other distros |
| 18:14.32 | maquis | but it has also gotten louder recently |
| 18:14.35 | sjansen | perhaps it would be a good idea to ask on fedora-list or report the problem to the fedora bugzilla |
| 18:15.07 | sjansen | I'm sure you're not the only person using Fedora on your model of Thinkpad. |
| 18:15.07 | maquis | i think this is also the first distro i've actually set up the graphics drivers on, though |
| 18:15.25 | maquis | and it looks from this page that the graphics card/driver actually has something to do with it |
| 18:23.17 | maquis | sjansen: judging from this, it appears that the problem is available on all distros and n windoze |
| 18:24.58 | emcnabb | tensai, vontrapp; the reason I asked about the man pages is we have a page in the course that explains them all, but he wanted to know how he could view them sometime if he doesn't have his book or Internet access |
| 18:26.04 | emcnabb | ah |
| 18:26.06 | emcnabb | I found it |
| 18:26.20 | emcnabb | /usr/share/doc/man-pages-1.67/man-pages-1.67.Announce |
| 18:29.31 | scott | anyone know of a good form builder for surveys? Someone sent me a 13 page, 77 question survey and I really don't want to make a table or write the forms for it. |
| 18:31.27 | Jayce^ | could use mod_survey |
| 18:54.32 | bonez39 | anyone using gnucash here, that knows how to print from gnucash to .pdf? |
| 18:57.27 | neybar_work | I haven't used gnucash, but I suspect that if it can't print directly to pdf, it mostly like can print to a .ps file then you can transform that to a pdf |
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| 19:14.45 | vontrapp | anybody know what kind of format a .DAT file might be that looks like some kind of database, with table names at the begining in <DB>:<TABLE> format |
| 19:16.36 | vontrapp | in fact, it looks like <TYPE><TABLE>:<FIELD><beginig offset><field length> and lots of null characters |
| 19:17.59 | vontrapp | the program was APM standing for Assistant Property Manager |
| 19:21.34 | findlay | sounds like a job for perl |
| 19:21.43 | findlay | what did the file magic say? |
| 19:21.59 | vontrapp | "data" |
| 19:22.22 | findlay | that's it then, .dat must stand for 'data' |
| 19:22.49 | vontrapp | fat lot o good that does me |
| 19:23.04 | vontrapp | i'll use ruby i guess |
| 19:23.12 | sjansen | vontrapp: have you tried googling the software and creator to find out the export format? |
| 19:23.32 | vontrapp | tried googling the software name, don't know the creator |
| 19:23.37 | vontrapp | couldn't find anything |
| 19:23.49 | sjansen | it's probably something like an access db, or if old enough foxpro or something |
| 19:23.58 | vontrapp | it's some ancient DOS program |
| 19:23.59 | findlay | you only have the export, not the software responsible? |
| 19:24.11 | vontrapp | yep |
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| 19:25.33 | findlay | so much for open standards |
| 19:26.31 | vontrapp | the field names are padded to 12 chars |
| 19:26.38 | vontrapp | with spaces |
| 19:29.10 | vontrapp | how do you repeat the last search in hexedit? |
| 19:37.47 | findlay | Ctrl-S: search forward |
| 19:51.45 | sjansen | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/11/01#a11619 |
| 19:56.30 | vontrapp | sjansen: what protocol? |
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| 20:00.38 | mheath | I've never had a problem with file transfer in GAIM |
| 20:01.12 | vontrapp | i've had it work in MSN, not in jabber, haven't tried any others |
| 20:05.46 | sjansen | vontrapp: jabber |
| 20:09.26 | vontrapp | sjansen: what ver? |
| 20:10.23 | sjansen | gaim v1.5.0 |
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| 20:11.08 | vontrapp | windows |
| 20:11.10 | vontrapp | that is |
| 20:11.51 | Uncle_Jesse | winders |
| 20:12.22 | sjansen | are you behind nat? this was an intranet transfer |
| 20:12.37 | synic | vontrapp: guess that worked. |
| 20:13.15 | sjansen | I've long suspected that only msn does a good job of circumventing firewalls and handling nat. |
| 20:13.33 | synic | jabber has great nat handling |
| 20:14.12 | synic | the sender picks a public socks5 proxy, and the client connects to that. |
| 20:15.31 | vontrapp | sjansen: behind nat, but it just worked with synic |
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| 20:20.57 | graphyx | Anyone like black angus? |
| 20:21.07 | graphyx | I've got a $50 card I want to try to cash out on.. |
| 20:22.04 | findlay | harleypig: but I liked harleypil. It was like you were going to sell off all your haloween smarties as discount pills du jour |
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| 20:23.42 | sjansen | synic: what do you mean a "public" socks5 proxy? |
| 20:25.23 | SpecialZ | Black Angus is pretty good, though they closed the one on University Parkway. |
| 20:25.30 | harleypig | findlay: heh |
| 20:25.43 | harleypig | I'm keeping all my smarties ... I use'em as bribes for my kids. |
| 20:26.43 | Uncle_Jesse | you own your smarties? I steal mine from my kids' trick-or-treat candy |
| 20:28.02 | RyanE | I think Guarana tastes like smarties. |
| 20:28.35 | synic | sjansen: proxy.jabber.org, proxy.netlab.cz, etc. |
| 20:28.50 | synic | sjansen: the socks5 proxy for file transfer is an external jabberd component |
| 20:29.22 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here been able to disable trackpad tapping in FC4? |
| 20:29.27 | sjansen | so how does the jabber client know what proxy to use? is that the responsiblity of the server admin? |
| 20:29.36 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: Any smarties that come into my house are automatically mine. |
| 20:30.26 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: that's the way to do it |
| 20:30.39 | synic | sjansen: there are several ways. The sending client suggests a list of proxies. This list can be derived from a static list, from service discovery, or from a user setting. The receiving client attempts to connect to the first, then the second, until it finds a good one |
| 20:30.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I make my kids pay taxes when they get home from trick-or-treating |
| 20:30.44 | synic | and then tells the sending client which one it chose. |
| 20:31.19 | harleypig | We allow the kids to pick 5 of their favorite and then dump everything into one huge bucket and share. |
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| 20:31.33 | harleypig | Since mom and dad are up late at night we get the good pickins! |
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| 20:32.08 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: that's a great idea - maybe I'll do that tonight :-) |
| 20:32.41 | synic | if the socks5 doesn't work, the jabber protocol says to fall back to in band transfer... |
| 20:33.39 | mheath | ~lart cvs.sourceforge.net |
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| 20:36.20 | graphyx | SpecialZ: Yeah, since they closed the close one it is too far away for me to really use it. |
| 20:36.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I just went over to Wal-mart and got 1/2 price candy bars, so I should be kept out of my kids candy for awhile anyway |
| 20:38.51 | harleypig | Man, I am really becoming an irssi fan. |
| 20:39.01 | maquis | harleypig: isn't it great? :) |
| 20:39.06 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: irssi is very nice |
| 20:39.16 | Uncle_Jesse | especially when you use it with screen on a server |
| 20:39.32 | harleypig | Definitely, and with screen .. yeah, that's what I'm doing now. |
| 20:39.59 | harleypig | I just added a script that will auto away me when I detach my screen session. |
| 20:40.56 | maquis | harleypig: how'd you do that? |
| 20:41.47 | harleypig | And I've got bitlbee running and a connection to it from irssi. I just got rid of 2 programs and a dependency on a particular system. |
| 20:41.51 | harleypig | maquis: http://www.irssi.org/scripts/scripts/screen_away.pl |
| 20:42.28 | harleypig | Now, as soon as i can figure out irssi_proxy I can setup CGI:IRC and be able to connect no matter what. |
| 20:42.31 | maquis | harleypig: cool! |
| 20:43.03 | harleypig | maquis: Yeah, they have a scrolling topic script too that fixed a minor annoyance for me. |
| 20:43.43 | findlay | harleypig: some of the documentation is plain *wrong* though, probably old (: |
| 20:44.07 | sjansen | ~hug xchat |
| 20:44.08 | ibot | ACTION hugs xchat |
| 20:44.30 | harleypig | findlay: Yeah ... I'm finding that RTSL is a must with irssi. |
| 20:44.32 | findlay | whatever, you can't take your xchat session to china ... or to mars |
| 20:47.26 | *** join/#utah ibot_ (i=ibot@rikers.org) |
| 20:47.26 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds --- Jeff Waugh will be speaking at BYU on Nov 15: save the date! (more info will be forthcoming) |
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| 20:48.16 | findlay | ~lart ibot_ |
| 20:53.02 | mheath | ~lart cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 20:53.49 | sjansen | acabo de contar a primera vez que comi goiaba |
| 20:54.23 | sjansen | tinha um pe de goiaba na frente da casa na minha primeira area |
| 20:55.12 | sjansen | logo ao chegar na casa o primeiro dia meu companheiro me deu um goiaba |
| 20:55.25 | mheath | Fale O Inglês! |
| 20:55.47 | Uncle_Jesse | Phasaa Thai! |
| 20:55.53 | Uncle_Jesse | Bahasa Indonesia! |
| 20:56.10 | sjansen | comi um pedaco e nao gostei muito |
| 20:56.39 | sjansen | antes de comer mais, olhei a fruta e vi que estava cheio de bixo |
| 20:56.42 | mheath | 静かがありなさい。 |
| 20:56.47 | sjansen | gostei ainda menos |
| 20:56.48 | Uncle_Jesse | no comprendo |
| 20:56.56 | findlay | spam! |
| 20:57.09 | Uncle_Jesse | ๆำพ่าสรน่่าส |
| 20:57.14 | findlay | ~lart spircam |
| 20:57.40 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: ?? |
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| 20:57.59 | Uncle_Jesse | It would be nice to have an app that displays keyboard layouts so you can see what characters you're typing in the language you're typing them in |
| 20:58.01 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: Thai |
| 20:58.20 | Uncle_Jesse | I didn't type anything legible because I don't have the Thai character mappings listed anywhere |
| 20:58.30 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: have you seen that keyboard, with the video keys? |
| 20:58.39 | mheath | It can change what's displayed/written on each key |
| 20:58.53 | mheath | So you could literally change your keyboard when typing in another language |
| 20:59.12 | RyanE | sjansen: gostei. |
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| 20:59.52 | sjansen | RyanE: bixo? you're sick |
| 20:59.52 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: yeah, if I could afford it that would be cool - last I saw it was only a prototype though |
| 21:00.23 | RyanE | sjansen: I'm sick, but I enjoyed the story. lol. |
| 21:00.24 | Uncle_Jesse | it would be really nice to just have a system tray icon that when clicked would popup a thai keyboard layout that I could reference |
| 21:00.33 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:01.22 | Uncle_Jesse | Hhhhhello |
| 21:02.18 | sjansen | o/~ You say Hhhhhello and I say goodbye. ~/o |
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| 21:08.57 | sjansen | Remember, a one that isn't cold is hardly a one at all. |
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| 21:15.45 | Hhhhh | I took the GRE yesterday and I got a perfect score in the quantitative part ;) |
| 21:16.10 | maquis | Hhhhh: congrats! |
| 21:16.59 | graphyx | nice |
| 21:19.06 | Newsome | not bad |
| 21:20.30 | Hhhhh | thx |
| 21:21.44 | graphyx | Ok any quick links or explinations on how to do command line parameters with shell scripting? |
| 21:22.24 | graphyx | bash scripting. |
| 21:23.54 | Newsome | like setting numerous flags, or just positional parameters, or? |
| 21:26.29 | vontrapp | ងាព់ហើយ |
| 21:27.01 | Uncle_Jesse | ~mock vontrapp |
| 21:27.02 | ibot | ACTION pulls vontrapp's pants down and shows the world vontrapp's pink spotted underwear |
| 21:27.22 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: i have a pdf with the cambodian layout |
| 21:27.31 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: what do you use to change mappings? |
| 21:28.01 | sjansen | graphyx: help shift |
| 21:29.06 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: kde's system tray icon |
| 21:29.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I could set a shortcut to do it also |
| 21:29.26 | vontrapp | does it use xkb? |
| 21:30.11 | vontrapp | =lart slow internet |
| 21:30.13 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: I'm not quite sure what kde uses for that |
| 21:30.17 | vontrapp | blast |
| 21:30.52 | sjansen | graphyx: function foo { echo "*: $*"; echo "1: $1"; echo "2: $2"; shift; echo "2: $2"; echo "1: $1" ; } |
| 21:30.57 | vontrapp | it's like i'm getting some kind of insane packet loss or soemthing |
| 21:31.02 | sjansen | graphyx: foo "string with spaces" "second arg" |
| 21:31.21 | sjansen | graphyx: that's the condensed version, any questions? |
| 21:31.57 | vontrapp | maybe he's looking for something more like optparse |
| 21:32.05 | vontrapp | or parseopt, whichever it was |
| 21:32.30 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: xkb is X's internal alternate mapping system |
| 21:32.43 | vontrapp | you can load as many as four mappings for quick switching |
| 21:33.10 | vontrapp | and with xxkb, you can chage the mapping _per-window_ |
| 21:33.43 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: I'm not sure what kde uses but I can do the same in kde through a nice pretty graphical interface |
| 21:34.14 | vontrapp | kool |
| 21:34.30 | vontrapp | but mine is xool |
| 21:34.44 | Newsome | graphyx: can also do something like this - http://tuxrocks.com/tmp/opts |
| 21:34.50 | vontrapp | :-p |
| 21:35.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I used to be anti graphical interfaces, but lately kde and gnome have become pretty stable at doing behind the scenes what you want them to really do |
| 21:35.28 | sjansen | Newsome: why the double case? |
| 21:35.51 | Newsome | sjansen: the first case loops until there are no more arguments |
| 21:36.22 | Newsome | I suppose you could also do something like "while $#" |
| 21:36.23 | sjansen | yes, but why not just while [ $# -gt 0 ] ? |
| 21:36.29 | Newsome | righ |
| 21:36.31 | Newsome | t |
| 21:41.01 | levi | Bourne shell scripting ought to die. |
| 21:43.03 | ilev | If it ain't scheme/lisp/haskell it's unworthy! |
| 21:43.37 | levi | I don't care if you use perl/python/ruby/tcl, whatever... just not Bourne shell. |
| 21:43.47 | Bradipo | Why not bourne shell? |
| 21:43.51 | Tene | Anyone know of a convenient way to have Vim turn off CapsLock when you leave Insert mode? |
| 21:43.59 | vile | levi: you've got an intersting name to rotate |
| 21:44.07 | levi | vile: Indeed. |
| 21:44.27 | evil_ | unfortunately, looks like someone already has evil |
| 21:44.59 | levi | Bradipo: Because it's a pretty awful programming language. |
| 21:45.01 | Bradipo | ivel (Italian fonetic version of evil) which also happens to be levi spelled backwards. |
| 21:45.19 | Bradipo | levi: Oh, yeah, I wouldn't call it a programming language though. :-) |
| 21:45.21 | sjansen | Bradipo: that proves it! |
| 21:46.00 | Bradipo | leviivel |
| 21:47.44 | levi | Someone needs to create a shell that makes it easy to use a real programming language for scripting at the command line. |
| 21:48.22 | sjansen | It's called monad. |
| 21:49.09 | levi | I mean for Unixoid systems. |
| 21:49.10 | sjansen | And because MS created it, I'm am morally obliged to declare it an abomination and probably sign of the apocalypse! |
| 21:49.54 | mrpull- | levi: I propose that your programming language does not provide any conveniences such as garbage collection or dynamic typing... it would get extra credit for leveraging pointers too |
| 21:49.56 | goozbach | levi: bash is all you need |
| 21:50.04 | Tene | lisp shell! |
| 21:50.16 | goozbach | python shell |
| 21:50.29 | sjansen | TMS: Turing Machine Shell |
| 21:50.31 | levi | goozbach: Dude, bash uses the bourne shell language, which SUCKS for programming. |
| 21:50.38 | sjansen | because everything else is syntactic sugar |
| 21:51.09 | levi | mrpull-: Um, no. |
| 21:51.47 | goozbach | for scripting purposes bash is more than sufficient |
| 21:51.53 | goozbach | algol++ |
| 21:52.01 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:52.04 | levi | goozbach: For scripting purposes, bash sucks, but it does work. |
| 21:52.37 | levi | goozbach: But since when should 'sucks, but it works' be good enough for a tool that gets used all the time? |
| 21:53.08 | maquis | vontrapp_dead: why'd you die?? |
| 21:53.26 | levi | And what has bash scripting got to do with Algol? |
| 21:54.20 | sjansen | man, I've gotten so used to useful thumbnails for PDFs, etc. in Gnome I can't image how anyone survives on harder to use less user-friendly systems like Windows |
| 21:54.49 | Tene | how are the thumbnails in gnome more useful than in Windows? |
| 21:55.07 | sjansen | levi: bourne syntax was influenced by algol |
| 21:55.28 | vontrapp_dead | maquis: my connection is too unreliable, it made my head explode |
| 21:55.35 | sjansen | Tene: on our Win2003 system there is no thumbnail, just an icon |
| 21:55.53 | maquis | vontrapp_dead: ouch... that's gotta hurt |
| 21:55.58 | levi | sjansen: There's a lot more to a language than what is syntax was influenced by. |
| 21:56.02 | Tene | That's lame. I thought that you meant that non-useful thumbnails were displayer |
| 21:56.02 | maquis | did a girl with a spear jump out? |
| 21:56.30 | levi | s/is/its/ |
| 21:56.56 | Tene | displayed, even |
| 21:57.15 | vontrapp_dead | --- google.com ping statistics --- |
| 21:57.15 | vontrapp_dead | 21 packets transmitted, 20 received, 4% packet loss, time 21114ms |
| 21:57.44 | vontrapp_dead | another time with 37 packets it was 36503ms |
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| 21:58.07 | vontrapp_dead | with one single ping at 4021ms |
| 21:58.07 | sjansen | ~mock vontrapp_dead |
| 21:58.09 | ibot | ACTION pulls vontrapp_dead's pants down and shows the world vontrapp_dead's pink spotted underwear |
| 21:58.25 | levi | sjansen: Bash doesn't look significantly more like Algol than it looks like C. |
| 21:58.30 | sjansen | maquis: uhm, I think you're letting reality and your secret fantasy world mix again |
| 21:58.56 | maquis | sjansen: it happened to Zeus.... |
| 21:58.57 | sjansen | different enough that csh was created |
| 22:00.04 | vontrapp_dead | haha, got this pr-n email, sent with 50 addresses in the To:, about 10% of which are @nospamworld66.com |
| 22:00.24 | levi | sjansen: Indeed. What does that say about how much it resembles Algol? |
| 22:01.28 | levi | sjansen: Algol looks pretty much like Pascal. |
| 22:01.32 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - this is the first job I've been at where I've been made fun of for not wearing a t-shirt |
| 22:02.10 | sjansen | levi: history, bourne shell syntax was based on algol |
| 22:02.55 | levi | sjansen: Dude, have you /seen/ Algol code? 'Based on' in the sense of Hollywood movies based on real events, apparently. |
| 22:04.43 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: amazon's recruiters were making funny comments about people coming to their booth at the career fair in suits |
| 22:05.16 | Uncle_Jesse | button-down shirts are more comfortable to me, as long as I don't have to button the top button |
| 22:05.30 | maquis | haha |
| 22:05.41 | maquis | but you don't get to have them with cool geeky slogans |
| 22:05.42 | levi | I've got nothing against Algol. I wish its syntactic and semantic heritage had run a bit truer in C. |
| 22:06.59 | sjansen | maquis: t-shirts don't have pockets to hold pencils |
| 22:07.03 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: you can get button-down shirts with geeky logos on them |
| 22:07.26 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: not as many... |
| 22:07.39 | maquis | sjansen: true... so you don't stab yourself in the ribs... |
| 22:08.33 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: that's what pocket protectors are for :-) |
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| 22:09.58 | sjansen | maquis: if you're stabbing yourself in the ribs when you have a pencil in your pocket you're probably doing something wrong |
| 22:16.54 | maquis | sjansen: i wouldn't know... i've never tried it... |
| 22:17.30 | sjansen | and you call yourself a geek |
| 22:17.33 | sjansen | ~shun maquis |
| 22:17.35 | ibot | You are dead to me, maquis. |
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| 22:24.29 | jsmith | ~welcome bzob_l |
| 22:24.30 | ibot | Welcome to the party, bzob_l! |
| 22:25.15 | bzob_l | thanks! |
| 22:26.38 | sjansen | ~dunk bzob_l |
| 22:27.17 | bzob_l | d(r)unk party? |
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| 22:28.31 | sjansen | bah, ibot is ignoring me |
| 22:28.52 | sjansen | some days I guess you've just got to do things yourself |
| 22:40.45 | tensai | ~lart legal disclaimer signatures |
| 22:41.28 | tensai | 41 words in the email. 156 words in the disclaimer. |
| 22:48.39 | maquis | tensai: nice :) |
| 22:51.24 | graphyx | That's an 80% ratio. I think it is over the legal limit. |
| 22:51.26 | graphyx | Sue them!!! |
| 22:52.19 | tensai | graphyx: I can't sue. it's in the disclaimer. :( |
| 22:53.24 | maquis | :) |
| 22:54.18 | sjansen | Disclaimer: By reading this (too late, you've read enough) you agree to accept full guilt and liability and give me $100 in the event that 1) you ever say anything mean about me or 2) I feel like demanding money. |
| 22:55.46 | sjansen | I 0wnZ3d j00 all n0\/\/!!! |
| 22:56.17 | maquis | ~pwnz sjansen |
| 22:56.28 | maquis | hmm |
| 23:04.36 | sjansen | Off with her head! |
| 23:20.47 | sjansen | you know you've got a cool job when you boss whips out his treo and starts playing strong bad techno to celebrate a milestone |
| 23:21.14 | tensai | o/~ The system is down. The system is down ~/o |
| 23:27.09 | levi | sjansen: I don't know, I would prefer my boss to keep his bad techno played through a tinny speaker to himself. |
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| 23:29.40 | RyanE | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/06/life-is-suffering.html |
| 23:30.22 | levi | Mmmm, existentialist chickens. |
| 23:30.36 | levi | I wonder if they taste any better than regular chickens. |
| 23:33.46 | sjansen | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/06/sunsets.html |
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| 23:37.03 | mrpull- | i'm good with anything about chickens. |
| 23:40.21 | sjansen | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/03/chicken-of-greatness.html |
| 23:41.01 | levi | Speaking of chickens, I made chicken cacciatore on Sunday. It was yummy. |
| 23:41.27 | RyanE | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/02/hammered.html |
| 23:41.46 | levi | http://www.savagechickens.com/blog/2005/07/understanding.html |
| 23:50.29 | maquis | question |
| 23:50.45 | maquis | i was just in top, and i accidentally made it colorized |
| 23:50.47 | maquis | and i'm not sure how |
| 23:51.23 | jsmith | Colors in top? Blasphemy! |
| 23:52.47 | maquis | jsmith: most of the processes are red... there are two or 3 that are white |
| 23:53.00 | maquis | i've never seen it before, and i don't know how i did it |
| 23:53.31 | levi | maquis: Type 'man top' |
| 23:53.38 | levi | maquis: And search for 'color' |
| 23:53.58 | emcnabb | RAID 5 over USB keydrives works quite well |
| 23:54.02 | emcnabb | useful, no |
| 23:54.04 | emcnabb | cool, yes |
| 23:54.26 | maquis | cool stuff |
| 23:54.28 | mrpull- | emcnabb: I saw a ipod shuffle raid a while back, IIRC, they were booting osx from it |
| 23:54.34 | emcnabb | nice |
| 23:54.48 | emcnabb | I want to try raid over USB floppy someday |
| 23:55.11 | maquis | emcnabb: a redundant array of completely unreliable disks? :) |
| 23:56.08 | emcnabb | mrpull-, I think that would be Redundant Array of Ipod Disks |
| 23:57.44 | mrpull- | http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html |
| 23:58.20 | Uncle_Jesse | support for pocket pc devices on Linux is horrible |
| 23:58.23 | maquis | "your floppy with the only existing copy of your 5 page paper died? didn't that happen last time you had a 5-page paper that was only stored on a floppy? yes? and what did i tell you then? yes, you should try saving to the hard drive sometime..." |
| 23:58.43 | maquis | 4 times later, she still hadn't caught on |
| 23:59.16 | mrpull- | i was wrong. he couldn't install OSX on the raid array |
