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| 03:39.47 | mheath | I have a question on ethics |
| 03:40.08 | mheath | maybe someone could comment... |
| 03:40.22 | maquis | mheath: you can try... but no promises |
| 03:40.29 | mheath | I'm aware of several people who have malliciously attacked and exploited the Library of Congress's website |
| 03:40.52 | maquis | ah |
| 03:41.12 | maquis | that is an interesting ethical situation |
| 03:41.14 | mheath | I know they used some lame ass multiple-proxy service, so it would be hard for the FBI to catch them, even if the LOC's logs show this |
| 03:41.20 | mheath | er, pardon my swearing |
| 03:41.21 | maquis | how do you know that they did this? |
| 03:41.34 | mheath | I forget that I'm in #utah, sometimes.. |
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| 03:41.56 | mheath | maquis: they were showing off in one of the IRC channels I frequent. |
| 03:42.11 | maquis | mheath: do you know real-names? other such information? |
| 03:42.26 | maquis | and do they know who you are? |
| 03:42.35 | mheath | maquis: I know their hostmask |
| 03:42.48 | mheath | and I know some personal details (age, location) |
| 03:43.34 | mheath | I dunno |
| 03:43.50 | mheath | I usually don't get too aggrivated when some lame kid is messing with other peoples computers |
| 03:43.56 | mheath | its annoying, but I don't say anything |
| 03:44.11 | mheath | But, messing with government websites...and particularly the LOC (Whats the POINT?!)...that bugs me |
| 03:46.18 | maquis | mheath: personal opinion: you should at least report the conversation anonymously |
| 03:47.05 | mheath | maquis: how does one report stuff to the FBI anonymously? :) |
| 03:47.11 | maquis | with that information, the government can decide what to do from there (close up the hole, etc) |
| 03:47.19 | maquis | mheath: dunno |
| 03:47.28 | maquis | anonymous email address with Tor? |
| 03:48.08 | maquis | i don't particularly see any dangers with reporting it unanonymously, but i could be missing something... |
| 03:49.36 | maquis | chances are, they'll validate your claim, close up the hole, and then, possibly try to get as much info as possible on the perpetrators |
| 03:50.31 | maquis | honestly, if you get any response from the fbi, my guess is that it would be completely positive |
| 03:50.37 | mheath | I think I'll report it unanonymously |
| 03:51.06 | maquis | i personally think that reporting it (in some way) is the only "correct" choice... |
| 03:51.44 | maquis | mheath: good luck... if you hear back from the feds, i'd be interested in hearing what they have to say |
| 03:59.13 | mheath | Heres what I'm sending: |
| 03:59.24 | mheath | I'm an aware of several individuals who have exploited the Library of Congress website (www.loc.gov) by creating things like http://www.loc.gov/issn/temporary/own.php (which, at the time of writing, contained the message "z0mg 0mfg h4xx0r!!11! wewt, love from pacifico and evil1 and hawk.. shouts to ratboy and ********* <3 hacktivists of the world, unite!!11!! DAMN THEM CRAZY KIDS, WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT?!" and phpinfo()), and possibl |
| 03:59.24 | mheath | y doing more damage. |
| 03:59.26 | brac | [phpinfo()] |
| 03:59.51 | mheath | They were using TOR (http://tor.eff.org/) to travel through proxies; however, I'm aware of the hostmask of one of the individuals; 'pacifico' is ___________________. |
| 04:00.01 | mheath | (I removed that from here; the actual hostmask is in the message) |
| 04:00.10 | mheath | I became aware of this when pacifico started showing off in an IRC chat channel that I frequent. |
| 04:01.10 | mheath | ANy comments, suggestions? |
| 04:19.35 | maquis | mheath: sorry... i wasn't at my computer |
| 04:20.38 | maquis | mheath: did you give them any information about which channel/server they were showing off in? |
| 04:26.44 | mheath | maquis: I'm personal friends with the owner of that server |
| 04:26.47 | mheath | whos aware of me reporting this |
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| 04:27.08 | mheath | and requested for me to specifically not to mention him or his server |
| 04:29.23 | mheath | Guess what |
| 04:29.36 | mheath | Testing snapshot of GNU! |
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| 13:15.38 | graphyx | morning. |
| 13:18.09 | hans | yup |
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| 15:15.12 | hans | ~rlart |
| 15:15.26 | hans | ~revive brac |
| 15:15.33 | hans | ~kiss brac |
| 15:15.35 | ibot | ACTION smooches brac on the forehead |
| 15:17.27 | levi | Hi, hans. |
| 15:21.10 | hans | hmm, foxtrot is interesting but I'm not sure whether the riaa/mpaa hats are supposed to have something to do with the smelly feet jokie |
| 15:21.15 | hans | http://foxtrot.com/ |
| 15:21.16 | brac | [FoxTrot by Bill Amend] |
| 15:22.36 | levi | Are the doors being slammed due to smelly feet, or fear of the RIAA/MPAA? ;) |
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| 15:56.10 | graphyx | looks like they should have added in a BSA guy as well? |
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| 16:14.35 | mheath | Why doesn't the USA use *.us more? |
| 16:21.08 | levi | I think you could produce a reasonable answer to that question after a few moments of reflection. |
| 16:24.38 | mheath | personally, I think we should get rid of .net, .com, .org, etc |
| 16:25.03 | mheath | and just use geographical domain names |
| 16:25.38 | graphyx | mheath: I don't agree. |
| 16:26.03 | graphyx | That would mean to protect your trademark you would have to register .us, .uk .ru.tv., etc... instead of just .com .net .org |
| 16:27.01 | mheath | Not really |
| 16:27.11 | mheath | if your a US based company, register a .us domain name |
| 16:27.28 | mheath | If you expand to the UK, or register your trademark in the UK, register a .uk Domain name |
| 16:28.53 | graphyx | but what if you wanted the potential of moving to the UK or the entire world late |
| 16:29.57 | mheath | graphyx: So you argue that, as soon as you start up "Mike's Totally Awesome Computer Store" on the corner, you should instantly have exclusive rights, globally to that name? |
| 16:30.39 | graphyx | Nope. |
| 16:31.47 | graphyx | But registering an online store with such name with a .com isn't the same thing as saying you should have that name globally. |
| 16:32.21 | mheath | graphyx: Well, say someone in Britain starts a place called "Mike's Totally Awesome Computer Store" |
| 16:32.41 | mheath | Who says that *I* have a right to .com, and he doesn't? |
| 16:32.49 | mheath | I'm protected under US Copyright law |
| 16:33.01 | mheath | and he's protected under British copyright law |
| 16:35.20 | graphyx | In this case it would be whoever registered it first. |
| 16:37.55 | RyanE | mheath: some would also argue that they'd be interested in selling to a GLOBAL marketplace, which if you have a country-specific domain, it *somewhat* implies that you are local-only. |
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| 16:56.22 | levi | sjansen: Not likely. |
| 16:58.05 | mheath | Oh, come on. |
| 17:00.34 | jsmith | sjansen: You too, eh? |
| 17:00.46 | maquis | sjansen: pull a blankie over your head |
| 17:00.54 | maquis | jsmith: ouch! |
| 17:02.46 | jsmith | maquis: Yeah, and then it got worse... |
| 17:03.37 | sjansen | At least I was able to ease into the day. |
| 17:03.45 | maquis | jsmith: ? |
| 17:04.00 | sjansen | When my alarm went off at 6am, I just went back to sleep until 7. |
| 17:04.51 | sjansen | Then I finished a Vonnegut book and started a new Potok. |
| 17:05.18 | sjansen | All in all, it felt like the start of a wonderful Saturday. If only I could have stayed home reading... |
| 17:06.43 | jsmith | maquis: (Sorry, on the phone) |
| 17:08.12 | levi | Which Vonnegut? |
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| 17:08.50 | sjansen | Hocus Pocus |
| 17:09.03 | maquis | hmmm |
| 17:09.04 | levi | Haven't read that one. |
| 17:11.29 | sjansen | Classic Vonnegut. Hocus Pocus is basically short hand for the charade people in power mantain as they manipulate those under them and society falls apart in standard Vonnegut style. |
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| 17:12.42 | sjansen | Written during the nighties. Stongly influenced by the Vietnam war. One of the central themes is that the American elite managed to pull a fast one on the Japenese by selling them all of our problems. |
| 17:13.38 | sjansen | Until the Japanese realize that their economic take over of America is basically their own form of Vietnam quagmire and decide to just walk away from their investments. |
| 17:14.54 | mrpull- | jsmith: what was that site that had the "internet traffic report" that you sent me to weeks back? |
| 17:15.44 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone else here using xmission's ntp server? |
| 17:17.01 | sjansen | Follow the life of one man as he stumbles through high school, Vietnam, and the gradual sale of the US to Japan. His wife and mother in law go insane. His children disown him. And an under-educated elitist journalist with no war experience or love to anyone but the rich destroys him for being "anti-American". |
| 17:17.07 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: I don't have a cron job that syncs against NTP, but when I do, I use Xmission |
| 17:25.16 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: I think I figured out my problem - well, I'm on the hunt at least |
| 17:26.17 | jsmith | mrpull-: Internethealthreport.com |
| 17:26.28 | jsmith | mrpull-: (It's a redirect to scoreboard.keynote.com) |
| 17:27.34 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Why? What's up? |
| 17:36.07 | xbmodder | cool. |
| 17:36.14 | jsmith | Gee -- why is it I like VoIP so much when I hate talking on the phone? |
| 17:36.25 | xbmodder | XO hates itself. |
| 17:37.10 | levi | jsmith: I think it must be a deep-rooted inner conflict. |
| 17:39.33 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, I'm always beating myself up |
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| 17:41.12 | sjansen | VOIP is tech. Tech is cool. Phones are social, usually a source of distractions. Distractions are uncool. |
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| 17:41.50 | sjansen | VOIP is also disruptive. Sticking it to established businesses is cool. |
| 17:42.59 | levi | Is sticking it to sjansen cool, too? |
| 17:44.25 | sjansen | levi: no, unless "it" is one hundred dollar bills and the "sticking" is performed with clear tape, not tacks of glue, in which case "[taping] [one hundred dollars bills] to sjansen" is very cool |
| 17:45.03 | sjansen | (it should also be pointed out that sjansen must be alive and well during said sticking) |
| 17:48.47 | levi | Are we still arbitrarily making the antecedent of 'it' $100 bills? Because sucking those up could be hazardous to your health. |
| 17:49.00 | levi | Even if they're counterfeit. |
| 17:49.22 | tensai | if you digest them, that would be a felony for defacing money |
| 17:49.47 | mrpull- | jsmith: thanks |
| 17:56.21 | jsmith | mrpull-: No problem |
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| 18:12.43 | xbmodder | it takes like 5 minutes to install reactos... |
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| 18:14.27 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
| 18:14.47 | Uncle_Jesse | mmmm...crumpets |
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| 18:15.03 | elg | so, is it normal for a library to be linked to both libstdc++.so.5 and libstdc++.so.6? |
| 18:15.09 | elg | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/tree/browse_frm/thread/21f606491585fb18/30e6ca9d9b455a88?rnum=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fcomp.lang.ruby%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F21f606491585fb18%2F30e6ca9d9b455a88%3Ftvc%3D1%26#doc_c259e5f9b2b6e9ef |
| 18:15.12 | brac | [Google Groups : comp.lang.ruby] |
| 18:15.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I had Texas bbq when I was in Kentucky the other day |
| 18:15.31 | Uncle_Jesse | wasn't as good as it was in Texas |
| 18:18.23 | sjansen | elg: shooting for the hip, I would guess no it is not normal, and probably dangerous |
| 18:18.34 | elg | that would be my guess too |
| 18:19.17 | elg | but why you gotta aim for my hip? |
| 18:19.41 | sjansen | uhm... 'cause it's monday and my aim is bad? |
| 18:22.11 | findlay | dangerous because when a library meets itself from the future, if they touch then they are both annialated in a brilliant flash of light |
| 18:24.40 | sjansen | it probably wouldn't be so bad if every release of C++ didn't involve binary incompatible changes |
| 18:39.56 | elg | chocolate laffy-taffy. just plain wierd. |
| 18:44.55 | maquis | elg: i've seen those, and was wondering if they were any good |
| 18:45.36 | elg | oh, you just had to say it didn't you |
| 18:45.57 | the_jester | hmmm |
| 18:46.06 | libstdc | bah |
| 18:46.16 | levi | libstdc: Yow, scary! |
| 18:46.28 | libqt-mt | it didn't let me be libstdc++ |
| 18:46.38 | libstdc | aww |
| 18:47.28 | libqt-mt | so, the verdict is, it's bad. It comes from compiling something with g++ 3.4/4.0 that links to something that was compiled with g++ 3.x where x < 4 |
| 18:47.42 | findlay | ha |
| 18:47.58 | findlay | fix_libtool.sh? |
| 18:48.10 | findlay | fix_libtool_files.sh I meant |
| 18:48.11 | libqt-mt | so I'm rebuilding with CXX and CC set to use 3.3 |
| 18:48.25 | libqt-mt | hopefully that will work |
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| 18:57.06 | Newsome | now, that's scarry |
| 18:57.07 | fear | sjansen: we could really confuse people that way :) |
| 18:57.28 | fear | RMS: i think that's sjansen's costume... :) |
| 18:58.11 | fear | hmmm... that's actually a rather frigthtening thought |
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| 18:58.46 | goozbach | hello from my class |
| 18:59.00 | findlay | hello to your class |
| 18:59.16 | fear | goozbach: where's your costume? |
| 18:59.36 | findlay | ~lart fear |
| 18:59.46 | fear | -lart findlay |
| 18:59.53 | findlay | I have no fear of rejection! |
| 19:00.03 | RMS | goozbach: tell your class to be sure to call it GNU/Linux |
| 19:00.13 | RMS | give detention if you have to |
| 19:01.08 | PointyHairedBoss | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.37 | fear | haha |
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| 19:01.57 | fear | -lart SpecialK |
| 19:02.19 | SpecialK | ~lart fear |
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| 19:06.41 | RMS | ~bomb The_UnaBomber |
| 19:06.44 | ibot | ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on The_UnaBomber |
| 19:08.50 | uncertainty_doub | all your XML schemeas are belong to us |
| 19:09.01 | darl_mcbride | all your unix is belong to me |
| 19:10.44 | FUD | The USPTO recently granted a broad patent to MSFT(news, rating) on the technology popularly known as LINUX |
| 19:13.01 | FUD | ``We think this gives us the opportunity to take the power of LINUX and bring it to the masses, something the previous owners of the Intellectual Property(TM) haven't been willing to do'' said MSFT(news, rating) CEO Steve Ballmer in a pre-prepared statement |
| 19:13.17 | mheath | "True, linux is monolithic, and I agree that microkernels are nicer. " -- Andrew Tannenbaum |
| 19:13.19 | mheath | er |
| 19:13.24 | mheath | "True, linux is monolithic, and I agree that microkernels are nicer. " -- Linus Torvalds |
| 19:13.34 | mheath | sorry, I was reading stuff by both Tannenbaum and Torvalds |
| 19:13.36 | RMS | theoretically nicer |
| 19:14.32 | RMS | mheath: in my OS class we were discussing microkernels and exokernels, and the point was risen that microkernels have a lot of context-switch overhead due to the amount of message-passing, at the time of the paper we were discussing |
| 19:14.47 | RMS | how has that been mitigated, or has it? |
| 19:15.24 | darl_mcbride | RMS: i think you're out of character... |
| 19:15.34 | FUD | There is some doubt over how MS will license the use of LINUX, although sources within MS say they plan to start out at $699 per copy per CPU per person ... per hour |
| 19:15.50 | FUD | gross |
| 19:15.54 | FUD | ~lart darl_mcbride |
| 19:21.04 | graphyx | Hey you VOIP people. |
| 19:21.18 | graphyx | Is anyone piping the VOIP info out as AIX or SIP to a provider? |
| 19:21.39 | graphyx | We are looking to switch providers and wonder if the best way would be to pipe the SIP to a different provider. |
| 19:21.46 | graphyx | I just need some more insight about it. |
| 19:22.17 | RMS | what do you mean "pipe it out" |
| 19:28.48 | PointyHairedBoss | not likely |
| 19:28.54 | darl_mcbride | :) |
| 19:29.18 | PointyHairedBoss | with darl_mcbride around, we just don't need extra FUD |
| 19:29.19 | darl_mcbride | PointyHairedBoss: give me your company's money |
| 19:31.00 | PointyHairedBoss | I sold all of my stock on the same day I heard that our CFO did! |
| 19:31.14 | darl_mcbride | haha |
| 19:31.29 | darl_mcbride | well... if you won't give me your money, then i may have to sue your company |
| 19:31.39 | darl_mcbride | not that i enjoy suing of course |
| 19:31.41 | PointyHairedBoss | "Ha ha! We're filing for chapter 11 because all of our so-called profits are fake. I'm laughing because I sold all of my stock on the same day I heard that our CFO did!" |
| 19:32.15 | findlay | isn't FUD so FUN? It's like a funhouse |
| 19:32.31 | RMS | ora fudhouse |
| 19:32.32 | findlay | I think they should have a FUD attraction at theme parks |
| 19:44.33 | Tene | Firefox is slow :( |
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| 19:49.11 | RMS | sigh |
| 19:52.24 | tensai | ~lart bconsole |
| 19:57.30 | RMS | bconsole? Is that the console from some new desktop competitor called Barry? |
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| 20:02.33 | tensai | well, if you'd stayed around I would have told you it's the interactive console of Bacula |
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| 20:16.39 | thegrue | morning |
| 20:16.46 | thegrue | er afternoon |
| 20:16.51 | findlay | evening |
| 20:16.59 | emcnabb | every single person in my class this week works either for the DoD or for a government contractor |
| 20:17.03 | hans | how good? |
| 20:17.07 | hans | -weather klru |
| 20:17.11 | brac | 25 minutes ago, on Mon Oct 31 19:52:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour), with gusts to 7.72 meters per second (17.26 miles per hour), from the North at KLRU. The temperature was 21 degrees Celsius (70 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1029 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 11.5%. The sky was clear. |
| 20:17.39 | findlay | hans: no Kelvin? |
| 20:18.02 | hans | kelvin is useless to mere mortals |
| 20:18.31 | hans | only physicists with large classical music collections care about kelvin |
| 20:20.04 | hans | man, if you don't have hair on the back of your hands you're really missing out on a good built-in screen duster |
| 20:20.07 | levi | hans: I'll bet physicists with small or nonexistant classical music collections care about Kelvin, too. |
| 20:20.24 | hans | no, they're still focused on mozart. |
| 20:20.39 | findlay | percent is a method of cunfusing ratios |
| 20:20.56 | hans | heh |
| 20:21.02 | findlay | took me way to long back in grade school to figure out what it really meant |
| 20:21.26 | hans | is this a repressed memory surfacing? |
| 20:22.40 | findlay | I'm advocating the abolishment of % as we know it, like any physicist with a penchant for music |
| 20:22.40 | findlay | would do |
| 20:23.15 | findlay | it's kind of like how degrees is a meaningless modifer to thermal temperature units |
| 20:25.47 | goozbach | tarball distibutions which include a specfile rock |
| 20:26.26 | findlay | what if the .spec file had a 'rm -rf /' in it? |
| 20:27.57 | goozbach | findlay: that's why you never do rpm building as root |
| 20:29.24 | JoshH | but if it had rm -rf ~, you would still be screwed |
| 20:30.05 | findlay | run it suid? |
| 20:31.22 | hans | ~suid findlay |
| 20:32.53 | goozbach | findlay: run it as a disposable rpmbuilding account |
| 20:33.19 | goozbach | then you are a simple mkdir -p away from being back up to speed |
| 20:33.41 | Uncle_Jesse | Mecworks: you in here right now? |
| 20:34.59 | thegrue | oh yeah I forgot to wear my costume |
| 20:35.04 | thegrue | now I can talk |
| 20:35.15 | findlay | goozbach: or replace the whole scheme with a Very Small Shell Script(TM) |
| 20:36.26 | ValJean | ~replace findlay |
| 20:36.38 | thegrue | but can a very small shell script track changes to the file, make sure dependancies are satified, cleanly uninstall and do all that cool stuff? |
| 20:37.01 | Uncle_Jesse | who is Jeff Waugh? |
| 20:37.03 | thegrue | ~putty all who don't agree |
| 20:37.05 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats all who don't agree with it |
| 20:37.16 | Uncle_Jesse | ~Jeff Waugh |
| 20:37.17 | ibot | well, jeff waugh is nowt |
| 20:37.28 | Uncle_Jesse | nowt? |
| 20:38.24 | findlay | thegrue: no but it can manage your rpmbuild user sandbox, all it needs is your root passwd ... and your credit card number |
| 20:38.35 | ValJean | find / -type f | xargs sed -i 's|findlay|cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp|g' |
| 20:38.58 | thegrue | be quiet in there |
| 20:39.04 | thegrue | I'm trying to digest |
| 20:40.23 | findlay | _K)zh'5FZj!H})M Y:GlQS&VY]HT;tNR}P_z>-* AJ~ |
| 20:40.46 | Uncle_Jesse | me too |
| 20:41.30 | ValJean | findlay: you wouldn't say that if you have more experience with maintaining productions clusters using nothing more than duct tape, a spatula, and an old firehose |
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| 20:43.42 | ValJean | http://www.laputa.mazda.co.jp/ <-- now there's an unfortunate name for a car |
| 20:43.47 | brac | [ylzMAZDA LAPUTA] |
| 20:44.14 | findlay | ValJean: no, but spatula-2.0-rc5 seems to be more stable and robust than spatula-1.7 |
| 20:44.27 | Jayce^ | wow, want to see that one get marketed |
| 20:44.47 | lars-ut | in Mexico it might not do so well. |
| 20:45.01 | findlay | ~dict laputa |
| 20:46.04 | thegrue | http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir2/day_of_dots_clock/?do=13:45:21#topofclock |
| 20:46.05 | brac | [A dot for every second in the day - a clock] |
| 20:46.32 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: Is your truck white? |
| 20:47.15 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: no, but I've looked at some white ones |
| 20:47.24 | Uncle_Jesse | it will be champagne if I get the one I want |
| 20:47.25 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: Don't trust Cooter for repairs. |
| 20:47.30 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 20:47.41 | lars-ut | nice color |
| 20:47.45 | Uncle_Jesse | Cooter's from VA where I just moved from |
| 20:47.52 | Uncle_Jesse | he was actually the inspiration for my nick |
| 20:47.53 | lars-ut | funny |
| 20:48.15 | lars-ut | Why not Roscoe Peechoe Train? |
| 20:48.26 | Uncle_Jesse | because my name is Jesse |
| 20:48.56 | lars-ut | that makes sense |
| 20:49.06 | lars-ut | now I need to lookup spelling |
| 20:49.34 | lars-ut | here it is: Rosco P. Coltrane |
| 20:49.34 | Uncle_Jesse | I think it's spelled the "right way" |
| 20:49.51 | Uncle_Jesse | oh - rosco - /me thought you were referring to Uncle Jesse |
| 20:50.07 | lars-ut | Aren't you glad your parents didn't opt for Jescie? |
| 20:50.26 | Uncle_Jesse | ouch - that's the first time I've seen it spelled in that way |
| 20:50.35 | Uncle_Jesse | I am glad it wasn't with an ie though |
| 20:50.41 | lars-ut | then again, you'd have to be from Utah to live through that kind of pain. |
| 20:51.07 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 20:51.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I knew a girl once that wanted to name her children "table" and "chair" |
| 20:51.46 | lars-ut | as long as the spelings remained the same, no problem. |
| 20:52.36 | lars-ut | But I've heard of people doing things like 'Jessika'. |
| 20:52.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I have seen that one |
| 20:53.09 | Uncle_Jesse | That's why I don't like ie - too easy to come up with names like that when i is involved |
| 20:53.24 | Uncle_Jesse | there is no "I" in /me |
| 20:53.52 | lars-ut | it's abuse of freedom of speech to name children like that. |
| 20:53.58 | Uncle_Jesse | that sounds like an Arctic Circle drink |
| 20:54.51 | lars-ut | like a lime Rikey? |
| 20:55.02 | lars-ut | :) |
| 20:55.39 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - but with Root Beer |
| 20:58.36 | Uncle_Jesse | anything diet is gross |
| 20:59.23 | ValJean | Uncle_Jesse: did she give a reason for wanted the names? |
| 20:59.49 | ValJean | was she perhaps committed or convicted for the use of illegal substances later? |
| 21:04.00 | Uncle_Jesse | ValJean: what names? |
| 21:04.11 | ValJean | "table" and "chair" |
| 21:04.36 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - not sure what her reasons were - just that she liked weird names like that |
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| 21:09.03 | graphyx | lars-ut That's worse than normal. |
| 21:09.34 | graphyx | my wife insists on doing the "M" thing with all the kids names. |
| 21:10.05 | hans | M? |
| 21:10.11 | graphyx | So we have another boy on the way. I joked with her that we would keep the M thing and told her we would name the kid "McKarl" |
| 21:10.25 | graphyx | M thing: Mike Megan Mackenzie, Max, Morgan |
| 21:10.35 | hans | what's so special about M? |
| 21:10.55 | hans | I knew a family that their names all started with A. can't remember why |
| 21:10.57 | lars-ut | my parents went with 'L' |
| 21:11.01 | graphyx | Well you see I have an M name and she does as well. So we give all the kids an M and everyone in the family has an M name |
| 21:11.38 | hans | name him miguel |
| 21:11.43 | lars-ut | graphyx: firstnames only though |
| 21:11.50 | lars-ut | Mikhail |
| 21:12.28 | Uncle_Jesse | My mom's family did it with J |
| 21:12.59 | xbmodder | hey |
| 21:13.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm the only J in my immediate family though |
| 21:13.56 | xbmodder | cool. |
| 21:14.01 | JoshH | so if i got one of those pchdtv cards, all i would need to download and record tv shows would be an antenna right? |
| 21:14.16 | ValJean | assuming you could pick up a signal |
| 21:14.44 | JoshH | heh, that would suck if i couldnt |
| 21:14.45 | ValJean | well, and assuming you have a computer with enough memory and a reasonable processor |
| 21:15.02 | JoshH | so plugging the cable line into it wouldnt work though, it would have to use an antenna? |
| 21:17.58 | ValJean | not sure about cable, guess it depends on if you need a cable box to descramble |
| 21:18.11 | graphyx | vontrapp: You on a treo or blackberry? |
| 21:18.51 | vontrapp | no, past tense, it was about half an hour ago |
| 21:22.34 | lars-ut | vontrapp: original BBC, 2005 BBS, or this one? : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000000GQX/103-7836507-1059019?v=glance |
| 21:22.38 | brac | [ |
| 21:22.38 | brac | Amazon.com: Doctorin' the Tardis [CD-SINGLE]: Music |
| 21:22.38 | brac | ] |
| 21:22.44 | lars-ut | s/BBS/BBC |
| 21:24.11 | vontrapp | don't know which one |
| 21:24.13 | RyanE | actually, to *download and record* the HTDV shows, you don't require much CPU, as it's already encoded. Just to *view* it you would require more CPU. |
| 21:24.46 | vontrapp | i think it might have been the original |
| 21:25.01 | vontrapp | or maybe remixed a little, but not a lot |
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| 21:28.36 | lars-ut | remixes... covers... I can be a bit jaded about them, but I recently listened to Me First and the Gimmee Gimmees. |
| 21:28.48 | lars-ut | this one: http://tinyurl.com/7azpl |
| 21:28.54 | brac | [Amazon.com: A Glance: Me First and The Gimme Gimmes] |
| 21:29.35 | lars-ut | Ruin oops wrong link - it was this CD: http://tinyurl.com/dpurz |
| 21:29.39 | brac | [ |
| 21:29.39 | brac | Amazon.com: Ruin Jonny's Bar Mitzvah [ENHANCED] [LIVE]: Music |
| 21:29.39 | brac | ] |
| 21:30.04 | lars-ut | Sounds like a real Bar Mitzvah, invocation and all |
| 21:30.15 | lars-ut | great covers though |
| 21:31.19 | lars-ut | 'Hava Nagila' like you've never heard it before |
| 21:36.15 | hans | my favorite is the original 1963 version |
| 21:37.37 | jeb | hans: Ping |
| 21:37.44 | hans | pong |
| 21:37.54 | darl_mcbride | if civilization didn't exist, then i wouldn't have a test on it today |
| 21:37.54 | graphyx | hans: Did you watch the new season of Dr Who? |
| 21:38.08 | hans | yeah |
| 21:38.17 | lars-ut | hans: 1963 - would that be the most pure version? |
| 21:38.18 | jeb | question |
| 21:38.28 | hans | 54 days |
| 21:38.33 | hans | lars-ut: absolutely |
| 21:38.47 | lars-ut | hans: Which version of Linux is the most pure? |
| 21:38.49 | lars-ut | :) |
| 21:39.18 | hans | that's easy. the one you get from www.kernel.org |
| 21:39.32 | lars-ut | that was too easy |
| 21:40.13 | lars-ut | I'm really looking forward to continued eps of the new Dr Who. |
| 21:40.29 | lars-ut | starts up again around Christmas I think |
| 21:41.39 | graphyx | yeah |
| 21:43.48 | ValJean | lars-ut: http://linuxfromscratch.org/ |
| 21:43.49 | brac | [Redirect] |
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| 21:45.03 | graphyx | It's only true linux if you roll your own, eh? |
| 21:45.25 | Uncle_Jesse | so what's the best and cheapest cell phone plan for families in Utah? |
| 21:45.33 | hans | not having one |
| 21:45.43 | graphyx | We think cricket is a pretty good deal. |
| 21:46.27 | ValJean | tin cans and alot of string |
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| 21:47.39 | Uncle_Jesse | so what is everyone dressing up as tonight? |
| 21:47.50 | hans | hip |
| 21:48.04 | stderr | Alex De Large |
| 21:48.10 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Some of us have already dressed up, and won $$$ |
| 21:48.11 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: you're dressing up as a hip? |
| 21:48.22 | hans | for halloween, I'm hip |
| 21:48.22 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: explain??? |
| 21:49.14 | Uncle_Jesse | halloween is probably the only time any of us get to be hip |
| 21:49.22 | stderr | speak for yourself, sir. |
| 21:49.46 | Uncle_Jesse | except stderr - he's always hip |
| 21:49.51 | stderr | true that. |
| 21:50.22 | graphyx | I would think that stderr would get sick of everyone routing their problems through him. |
| 21:50.56 | Uncle_Jesse | ~warn stderr |
| 21:51.00 | stderr | nevar, my tcp stack is nifty. |
| 21:51.06 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 21:51.11 | stderr | ;D |
| 21:52.37 | Uncle_Jesse | we're not seeing ibot's response to ~warn because he sent it to stderr :-) |
| 21:52.48 | stderr | nah, ibot is afraid to speak to me |
| 21:52.54 | stderr | pfSense? firewall? |
| 21:52.58 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot is too perfect for that |
| 21:52.59 | lars-ut | yup |
| 21:53.32 | stderr | lars-ut: nifty, Linux based I assume? |
| 21:53.41 | stderr | err BSD |
| 21:53.42 | stderr | whew |
| 21:53.45 | lars-ut | yes |
| 21:53.52 | stderr | thus the 'pf' heh |
| 21:54.01 | lars-ut | that's right - pf instead of iptables |
| 21:54.02 | RyanE | lars-ut: you're dressing up as a firewall? |
| 21:54.09 | RyanE | ultra-cool! |
| 21:54.13 | stderr | anyone seen any recent pf versus iptables statistics? |
| 21:54.13 | lars-ut | I _am_ a firewall |
| 21:54.25 | stderr | iptables > pf from my humble experience. |
| 21:54.57 | stderr | *shrug* |
| 21:55.01 | stderr | -m |
| 21:55.03 | stderr | that's all |
| 21:55.04 | stderr | :D |
| 21:55.14 | lars-ut | alright.... |
| 21:55.29 | lars-ut | don't think I can find recent ones but... |
| 21:55.45 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here have an ipaq h6315? |
| 21:56.38 | stderr | lars-ut: Why do you like pf over iptables? I'm just curious. Readability factor? |
| 21:56.59 | lars-ut | that's one |
| 21:57.14 | lars-ut | another one is uptimes of BSD variants vs Linux |
| 21:57.18 | stderr | yeah, it's definitely more 'humane' |
| 21:57.48 | stderr | there certainly is that BSD uptime thing. |
| 21:57.54 | stderr | course, I thought that'd dwindled in recent yeras. |
| 21:57.54 | lars-ut | My first roll your own firewall was of the floppy disk variety |
| 21:57.57 | stderr | years* |
| 21:58.03 | lars-ut | ipchains-based |
| 21:58.21 | stderr | Plus, did you know that an old version of BSD didn't reset it's uptime? Strange but true. |
| 21:58.33 | stderr | old version of FreeBSD that is |
| 21:58.36 | lars-ut | weird |
| 21:58.40 | stderr | ya. |
| 21:59.07 | stderr | obviously that really isn't a contributing factor to ye old uptime debate, but it's pretty funny. |
| 21:59.20 | lars-ut | anyway ipchains gave me lots of control with a big learning curve. |
| 21:59.42 | stderr | yeah, I'm a big advocate of iptables because of the amount of information people tend to learn on the way to mastering it. |
| 21:59.48 | stderr | one of the reasons anyways. |
| 22:00.38 | lars-ut | When I tried some of the BSD firewalls I was amazed at the granular level of control while being able to use features like traffic shaping and failover that seemed out of my reach on Linux/iptables. |
| 22:01.06 | lars-ut | lack of education on my part |
| 22:01.19 | lars-ut | I still found some great tools |
| 22:01.36 | stderr | ya, pf definitely has a much smaller learning curve. |
| 22:01.42 | stderr | I haven't used it to a large extent. |
| 22:01.47 | stderr | but it seems pretty comfortable. |
| 22:02.05 | stderr | I just like the amount of iptables modules there are, and the structure of netfilter itself. |
| 22:02.16 | lars-ut | I can see that |
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| 22:03.06 | stderr | but yeah, I can definitely see the attraction of pf. iptables can really be a beast to work with sometimes. |
| 22:03.21 | lars-ut | especially with advanced features. |
| 22:03.54 | lars-ut | I have no idea how to tell an iptables firewall how to say, reserve ~100l of bandwidth for voIP. |
| 22:03.55 | stderr | yeah. |
| 22:04.52 | lars-ut | and prioritze all voIP traffic to this queue |
| 22:05.38 | lars-ut | I've also been very impressed with the developers of pfSense, and the ##pfsense channel |
| 22:05.48 | lars-ut | amazing speed |
| 22:05.54 | stderr | I'll definitely have to check it out then. |
| 22:06.16 | lars-ut | good package structure for add-ons as well |
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| 22:06.33 | DroppedPacket | ~poison phinux |
| 22:06.51 | hans | lars-ut: well I don't know advanced iptables (I know the basics) but it sounds like those are tasks for something else entirely |
| 22:06.56 | lars-ut | Feliz dia do mortos. |
| 22:06.58 | hans | namely, tc |
| 22:07.03 | lars-ut | s/do/dos |
| 22:07.13 | lars-ut | hans: could be |
| 22:07.21 | hans | http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
| 22:07.35 | hans | give that puppy a whirl and be amazed |
| 22:08.07 | stderr | well you can do it with iptables |
| 22:08.26 | stderr | but wondershaper is awesome. |
| 22:09.09 | lars-ut | hans: I'm already clouded because of the success I've had with pf-based solutions, but I might give it a try |
| 22:09.56 | stderr | hey, if something works for you and you're satisfied, that's what counts. |
| 22:10.04 | lars-ut | :) |
| 22:10.14 | stderr | unless it's OS X and then I must take offense. |
| 22:10.15 | stderr | ;D |
| 22:11.08 | lars-ut | in my case it's which tool I can best use to accomplish a task - not necessarily the best tool. There's always some compromise there. |
| 22:11.42 | lars-ut | I wouldn't feel comfortable billing a customer for my learning curve, for example |
| 22:12.12 | JoshH | i would, as long as they were comfortable with paying |
| 22:12.29 | stderr | lars-ut: I wouldn't either. |
| 22:13.00 | JoshH | personally i thought pf was a lot easier to learn than iptables |
| 22:13.02 | stderr | lars-ut: And I certainly agree; sometimes you know there are much better options available to you but 1) you've spent the time to learn what you already know 2) you like it and are comfortable with it |
| 22:13.13 | stderr | I think alot of people agree, JoshH, myself included. |
| 22:13.22 | hans | i swapped out iptables. I use ferm these days |
| 22:13.26 | stderr | but I learned ipfwadm, ipchains, and iptables all before I learned pf, so *shrug* |
| 22:13.29 | hans | (as a front-end to iptables) |
| 22:13.57 | lars-ut | Then again, in one case I felt just fine shoving Linux down the throat of a customer because it would have taken me longer to fix the windows box than build them an appropriate Linux solution |
| 22:14.43 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know what types of things kernel 2.8 will address? |
| 22:14.43 | lars-ut | that windows image is still stored on a hidden partition - it's just not used now. |
| 22:15.04 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: RAM |
| 22:15.10 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: fs issues, netfilter maturity are my big ones |
| 22:15.20 | hans | just like 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6 do |
| 22:15.29 | stderr | hans: you're a witty guy |
| 22:15.32 | stderr | :] |
| 22:16.07 | hans | http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ |
| 22:16.09 | stderr | but, yeah I think the fs drama that's been going on in the mailing list for some time will be an issue, and the maturity of netfilter is a given |
| 22:16.16 | hans | it's an iptables DSL, you could say |
| 22:16.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm hoping for better built-in laptop drivers and support |
| 22:17.22 | hans | i'm curious to see what the hostap stuff they put in 2.6.14 is all about |
| 22:17.55 | stderr | hostap stuff? for what drivers? |
| 22:18.07 | hans | that's what I don't know |
| 22:18.09 | stderr | hm |
| 22:18.13 | hans | but it's kernel config-time options |
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| 22:18.48 | Uncle_Jesse | yes, better wireless support will definitely be very nice |
| 22:19.44 | stderr | yeah, I wouldn't mind that either, although I've been mightily impressed in the amount 2.6 has grown in that area |
| 22:20.40 | Uncle_Jesse | definitely - at least you can almost do everything you want with wireless in 2.6 |
| 22:22.38 | stderr | yeah, although you have wrestle with it every now and then. |
| 22:22.39 | stderr | Ubuntu Breezy has been the first distro that I've thrown on a box with my Linksys (rt2500) card in and wireless worked _during_ installation |
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| 22:24.52 | vontrapp | how do you add an ipp printer with just the address? |
| 22:25.05 | vontrapp | do you need a /name on the end or anything? |
| 22:25.11 | vontrapp | if so, how do you know what it is? |
| 22:25.22 | hans | huh? |
| 22:25.42 | vontrapp | i know this printer has address 10.0.1.6 |
| 22:25.50 | hans | is it ipp or socket? (jetdirect) |
| 22:25.56 | vontrapp | so, i can do ipp://10.0.1.6 |
| 22:26.01 | vontrapp | maybe jetdirect |
| 22:26.15 | hans | try lpadmin -p foo -v socket://10.0.1.6 |
| 22:26.30 | hans | what kind of printer is it? |
| 22:27.08 | vontrapp | ok, that was it |
| 22:27.16 | vontrapp | laserjet |
| 22:52.52 | mheath | lars-ut: eh? |
| 22:54.11 | lars-ut | 'Oops...the system was unable to perform your operation. Please try again in a few seconds.' |
| 22:55.00 | stderr | heh. Never seen that one. |
| 22:55.12 | lars-ut | I spend too much time in gmail |
| 22:55.28 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: I get that all the time in gmail |
| 22:56.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I've gotten similar in google talk too |
| 22:56.10 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: where are you this week? |
| 22:56.14 | lars-ut | yech |
| 22:56.21 | Uncle_Jesse | Park City - I'm in UT for good now |
| 22:56.32 | tensai | and the family too? |
| 22:56.41 | Uncle_Jesse | my house in VA is now occupied by someone else. yup - family too |
| 22:57.02 | Uncle_Jesse | we're homeless at the moment, but we're here at least |
| 22:57.08 | lars-ut | now gmail is working - that was about 7 minutes of annoyance - sometimes I get what I don't pay for |
| 22:57.56 | Uncle_Jesse | we're hoping to find out for sure this week if we're getting the house we want in Heber City |
| 23:01.18 | lars-ut | 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
| 23:02.20 | stderr | Lost! |
| 23:02.37 | lars-ut | :) |
| 23:02.42 | stderr | 108 :D |
| 23:03.40 | stderr | lars-ut: http://thelostnumbers.blogspot.com/ |
| 23:03.46 | stderr | that's some interesting stuff |
| 23:03.54 | lars-ut | I'm already there. |
| 23:04.11 | lars-ut | good writers |
| 23:04.13 | stderr | Yeah. |
| 23:04.39 | stderr | lars-ut: I can't stop watching Lost, but I missed last weekend. What's up with the reruns? |
| 23:04.50 | xbmodder | ~lost |
| 23:04.54 | ibot | The LOst Space Tracker. URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8036/lost_page.html |
| 23:04.54 | lars-ut | I watch the torrents |
| 23:05.02 | lars-ut | bitmetv.org |
| 23:05.06 | xbmodder | I've heard so much about lost. but I have no idea what its about. |
| 23:05.12 | Uncle_Jesse | can you get Lost on itunes now? |
| 23:05.15 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.16 | stderr | lars-ut: oh, trust me, I have access to the torrents |
| 23:05.29 | lars-ut | I'm spoiled |
| 23:05.30 | xbmodder | ~lart lars-ut for pirating. |
| 23:05.30 | stderr | I'm just wondering what's going on with no new episode last week |
| 23:05.53 | Uncle_Jesse | abc is good at cutting off the good shows in the middle of seasons |
| 23:05.56 | stderr | lars-ut: thanks for the offer but I have an account on two very nice sites. |
| 23:06.03 | lars-ut | ~lart xbmodder for not understanding fair use |
| 23:06.07 | DroppedPacket | ~keelhaul stderr & lars-ut |
| 23:06.24 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: Oh? I haven't watched any TV besides HBO for several years, Lost dragged me back to it. |
| 23:06.26 | xbmodder | Whats lost about? |
| 23:06.34 | stderr | people that are um... lost. |
| 23:06.39 | lars-ut | JJ Abrams |
| 23:06.40 | DroppedPacket | xbmodder: this group of people that are, um, lost |
| 23:06.48 | Uncle_Jesse | stderr: Lost seems to drag on too much for me, but I understand the hype around it |
| 23:06.49 | lars-ut | don't spoil it |
| 23:06.58 | xbmodder | sounds.. cool. |
| 23:07.02 | stderr | xbmodder: it's really impossible to explain it. |
| 23:07.04 | Uncle_Jesse | I've watched a few episodes |
| 23:07.07 | stderr | You just need to start watching it from season 1. |
| 23:07.12 | lars-ut | worth watching. |
| 23:07.14 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: You should give it a chance, it's really good. |
| 23:07.22 | lars-ut | nah - it sucks. |
| 23:07.27 | lars-ut | you'll hate it. |
| 23:07.30 | DroppedPacket | kinda like gilligan's island without the skipper |
| 23:07.32 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - once you watch the first couple weeks worth you can know most of what's going on in any one after that |
| 23:07.42 | stderr | heh |
| 23:07.49 | stderr | lies! all of them! |
| 23:08.00 | Uncle_Jesse | most episodes I've seen have been pretty good - there's usually another show I like on at the same time though |
| 23:08.07 | DroppedPacket | kinda like gilligan's island but the professor has a chain saw |
| 23:08.12 | lars-ut | lol |
| 23:08.19 | stderr | hehe |
| 23:08.26 | xbmodder | DroppedPacket, so there killing each other? |
| 23:08.31 | lars-ut | JJ Abrams & Joss Whedon write some good stuff |
| 23:08.39 | xbmodder | So its like saw. |
| 23:08.45 | DroppedPacket | xbmodder: no, they're destroying the universe one tree at a time |
| 23:08.48 | stderr | lars-ut: No kidding, I just devoured Firefly in two days a couple weeks ago. |
| 23:08.56 | xbmodder | cool |
| 23:09.07 | stderr | lars-ut: I haven't seen Serenity yet though, you? |
| 23:09.15 | lars-ut | oh yeah |
| 23:09.19 | lars-ut | opening night |
| 23:09.32 | Uncle_Jesse | stderr: Serenity was pretty good |
| 23:09.33 | stderr | lars-ut: Ok, one question, does it give any background info on Book?? |
| 23:09.34 | xbmodder | DroppedPacket, lol. |
| 23:09.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I haven't seen the series yet though so I can't compare |
| 23:09.41 | lars-ut | always see sci-fi flicks on opening night |
| 23:09.43 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: Yeah, I really dug Firefly, every episode was great. |
| 23:09.56 | Uncle_Jesse | It made me want to see Firefly though |
| 23:09.58 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: You should definitely grab it up and watch it. |
| 23:10.07 | Uncle_Jesse | stderr: definitely |
| 23:10.11 | stderr | Excellent characters in both Lost and Firefly |
| 23:10.17 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: Just go see Serenity while it's in the theaters |
| 23:10.30 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: already saw it |
| 23:10.35 | lars-ut | or watch it on a good home theater when the DVD comes out |
| 23:10.38 | stderr | I just need to know who Book is. |
| 23:10.41 | lars-ut | stderr: agreed |
| 23:10.52 | Uncle_Jesse | Orson Scott Card had a great review of it awhile back too |
| 23:10.57 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: Yeah, I read that. |
| 23:11.11 | stderr | he seemed mightily impressed. |
| 23:11.36 | lars-ut | I attended Serenity not having seen a preview or read a review |
| 23:11.44 | stderr | yeah me too, but Orson Scott Card on Serenity is like Kevin Smith on Episode 3, I gotta read it. |
| 23:12.40 | lars-ut | I'd like to try that again - having very little expectation of movie was different - and good. |
| 23:13.27 | stderr | Yeah, going in unbiased is completely different. |
| 23:13.38 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.54 | stderr | I think I might try to catch Saw 2 tonight. |
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| 23:14.00 | xbmodder | lars-ut, I was just messing, but cool. |
| 23:14.32 | TheUnabomber | ~lart darl_mcbride |
| 23:14.44 | TheUnabomber | ~bomb xbmodder |
| 23:14.45 | ibot | ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on xbmodder |
| 23:14.46 | mheath | I missed the earlier talk about LOST |
| 23:14.54 | mheath | but I've got to say.... |
| 23:15.01 | mheath | It does drag on |
| 23:15.14 | mheath | Its a good story line, but they focus too much on cliffhanger endings and suspense |
| 23:15.14 | lars-ut | not if you watch several eps at a time |
| 23:15.25 | mheath | So they drag the story on so they can reveal as little as possible per episode |
| 23:15.30 | lars-ut | like Alias |
| 23:15.40 | xbmodder | Can someone type the story and tell me? |
| 23:15.45 | lars-ut | JJ Abrams as well. |
| 23:15.54 | xbmodder | in 200 words per eps. |
| 23:15.57 | xbmodder | maximum |
| 23:16.01 | lars-ut | already been done |
| 23:16.05 | xbmodder | and 75 over words. |
| 23:16.23 | lars-ut | http://epguides.com/Lost/ |
| 23:16.50 | lars-ut | Click on an ep title for summaries |
| 23:17.29 | mheath | I think people are getting too worked up about the whole "4 8 15 16 23 42" thing too |
| 23:17.33 | mheath | trying to find these deep meanings |
| 23:17.47 | mheath | What if it turns out that those are just some random numbers that the story writers chose? |
| 23:17.49 | lars-ut | that's why it's a great literary device |
| 23:18.59 | mheath | I'm wondering if these numbers are used anywhere else. |
| 23:19.05 | stderr | they're used everywhere in the series |
| 23:19.07 | stderr | everywhere |
| 23:19.14 | stderr | and purposefully. |
| 23:19.30 | stderr | and I think the whole point, imho, is that they are just some random numbers. |
| 23:19.39 | stderr | but I won't elaborate to save anyone who hasn't seen the series up til now |
| 23:19.48 | mheath | stderr: yeah |
| 23:19.54 | mheath | My point exactly |
| 23:19.56 | Uncle_Jesse | isn't that the code they used to disable whatever it was the guy was trying to turn off to reset the clock? |
| 23:20.06 | mheath | The point is that stuff is tied together by those numbers |
| 23:20.06 | stderr | Uncle_Jesse: Yeah |
| 23:20.12 | mheath | it just adds the the storyline and suspense |
| 23:20.25 | stderr | I'm not talking about the numbers in the literary sense |
| 23:20.29 | stderr | I'm talking about them inside the story |
| 23:20.32 | stderr | they have a function |
| 23:20.35 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: and the lottery numbers one of the characters wins millions with... |
| 23:20.47 | stderr | amongst many other things |
| 23:20.50 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse: and many other things |
| 23:22.09 | Uncle_Jesse | it's all a big contest and that's the code to some safe somewhere with millions inside of it |
| 23:22.50 | stderr | http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ |
| 23:22.55 | tensai | it's all a plot to make people waste time. as if we weren't wasting enough time on IRC already! |
| 23:23.04 | lars-ut | good point. |
| 23:23.18 | stderr | cya lars |
| 23:24.26 | hans | me too |
| 23:29.02 | darl_mcbride | me too |
| 23:29.58 | dataw0lf | me too! |
| 23:29.59 | dataw0lf | um |
| 23:30.00 | dataw0lf | nevermind |
| 23:30.04 | dataw0lf | oh well, cya guys, works over. |
| 23:35.19 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know where kde stores its keyboard model info that you change in Control Center? |
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| 23:36.20 | RyanE | anyone know how to send a null character through PuTTY? |
| 23:40.57 | RyanE | Ctrl-Space sends a null character, FYI. I had googled for a while, asked, then found it immediately after. Asking the list always seems to come through. :) |
| 23:41.58 | darl_mcbride | RyanE: out of curiosity, what's it useful for? |
| 23:43.09 | RyanE | darl_mcbride: I'm playing around with a server here at work, and the code expects a NULL to come after the message that's been sent, as an end-of-message. |
| 23:43.25 | darl_mcbride | weird... but cool |
| 23:43.27 | RyanE | so knowing how to send that NULL, I can now debug with telnet (PuTTY) |
| 23:43.40 | darl_mcbride | how would you send the null if you weren't in putty? |
| 23:43.56 | RyanE | well, normally, it's a custom client that connects on this port. |
| 23:44.06 | RyanE | so the custom client sends it's request, and a NULL at the end of the request |
| 23:44.17 | RyanE | but I don't want to use that client... :) |
| 23:44.33 | RyanE | hans: possibly |
| 23:44.46 | RyanE | and / or a denial-of-service by eating all available memory... :) |
| 23:47.45 | thegrue | blargfooblarg |
| 23:50.03 | DroppedPacket | thegrue: foobarbazqux |
| 23:51.08 | tensai | if I could remember the details, I would check since it's been subsequently open sourced |
| 23:51.53 | thegrue | droppedPacket: garplygarplygarply |
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