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| 00:12.49 | findlay | I think I'll take this back for a refund |
| 00:12.59 | findlay | freebsd looks just like TWM |
| 00:21.22 | hans | heh |
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| 00:23.32 | hans | twm, eh? |
| 00:23.45 | hans | i hate cars |
| 00:23.46 | jsmith | Ah... good ol' TWM |
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| 00:23.55 | jsmith | hans: Cars? |
| 00:24.15 | hans | as in dealing with them mechanically |
| 00:24.23 | jsmith | findlay: Were the TWM windows green? |
| 00:24.25 | hans | had to replace the air blower motor |
| 00:24.26 | jsmith | hans: Me too! |
| 00:24.42 | hans | something like 8 hours and $140 bucks |
| 00:24.42 | jsmith | hans: That's easier than replacing the steering column, trust me. |
| 00:24.47 | hans | probably |
| 00:24.48 | findlay | jsmith: yes, the old, beloved teal titlebars |
| 00:24.50 | hans | but it was inordinately hard |
| 00:25.00 | jsmith | findlay: Man, that brings back memories... |
| 00:25.18 | hans | There's some people who must be brain damaged, but we're glad they are. auto mechanics fall in this category |
| 00:25.25 | jsmith | hans: If cars were like computers... |
| 00:25.41 | hans | actually, mechanics of any sort. even the really cool mountain-climbing military ones you see in commercials |
| 00:26.07 | jsmith | hans: Or, as my dad likes to say: Computers, cars, and women -- first you learn their idiosyncrocies, and then you learn to live with them. |
| 00:26.25 | hans | computers can be frustrating, but when you solve the problem your victory is not stolen by aching fingers, knees, backs, greasy hands that won't come clean, and skin that has rubbed off |
| 00:27.27 | jsmith | True |
| 00:28.57 | amcnabb | I've never really used iTunes before. There's even a QuickTime ogg plugin for it. |
| 00:29.31 | hans | amcnabb: yes and no |
| 00:29.42 | amcnabb | What's no about it? |
| 00:29.57 | hans | jsmith: so does anyone talk about realtime and/or low-latency in the asterisk world? |
| 00:30.58 | hans | amcnabb: if you're talking about qtcomponents, it hasn't worked in tiger ever, nor panther with recent versions of quicktime |
| 00:31.12 | hans | there's another one that has appeared, which does work |
| 00:31.25 | hans | but neither is really full-functional. things like streaming and whatnot. |
| 00:31.33 | amcnabb | hans, I found a Tiger version from the forums on qtcomponents. |
| 00:31.52 | amcnabb | I've never done streaming with anything, so I can't say anything about it. :) |
| 00:31.54 | hans | both take the component approach, which was the wrong approach. it should have been a codec from the start |
| 00:32.14 | findlay | is there a flac plugin? |
| 00:32.23 | hans | it also needs to load the whole song before playing it |
| 00:32.39 | hans | which leads to little delays, or big ones on network filesystems, between songs |
| 00:32.44 | amcnabb | interesting |
| 00:33.08 | hans | what's the url to the one you found? |
| 00:33.49 | findlay | actually ports is pretty impressive |
| 00:34.07 | findlay | simple, elegant |
| 00:34.08 | hans | findlay: no flac plugin to my knowledge |
| 00:34.19 | hans | which is a shame because all of my bach organ music is in flac |
| 00:34.31 | hans | i did get xmms working without much difficulty, and it can play flac and ogg |
| 00:34.37 | amcnabb | Scott wrote a script that converts from flac to ogg or mp3 |
| 00:34.47 | amcnabb | All of my cds are in flac, but on my laptop I only have them in ogg. |
| 00:35.06 | amcnabb | It makes it easy to change file size vs. quality on the fly. |
| 00:35.09 | findlay | hans: electronically generated? |
| 00:36.25 | findlay | that's all Ton Koopman, but I do have the complete cycle with Helmut Walcha |
| 00:36.34 | hans | no, http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/44121.asp |
| 00:36.37 | brac | [Bach: The Complete Organ Music] |
| 00:37.00 | findlay | unfortunately I don't have a www client compiled yet (: |
| 00:37.13 | hans | ~mock findlay |
| 00:37.16 | ibot | ACTION pulls findlay's pants down and shows the world findlay's pink spotted underwear |
| 00:37.38 | hans | 16-cd set, recorded by Christopher Herrick |
| 00:37.41 | hans | very nice |
| 00:37.55 | hans | i like his performing style, and the organs are beautiful |
| 00:38.06 | findlay | I assume he uses Baroque organ(s) then |
| 00:38.21 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/xplanet.png |
| 00:38.22 | hans | and the CDs are in softcovers so it doesn't take up half your living room |
| 00:38.41 | emcnabb | with superimposed satellite images |
| 00:38.55 | amcnabb | emcnabb, Does normal xplanet do that? |
| 00:39.02 | findlay | E. Power Biggs is a fantastic Bach player |
| 00:39.07 | hans | yup, swiss ones |
| 00:39.10 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 00:39.10 | hans | I like power too |
| 00:39.35 | hans | emcnabb: does it use a lot of bandwidth and/or processing to do that? |
| 00:39.40 | hans | and do you have a little howto? |
| 00:39.44 | hans | or list of steps anyway |
| 00:40.04 | emcnabb | not really |
| 00:40.06 | hans | oh, and doe sit take a lot of ram? |
| 00:40.13 | emcnabb | it downloads a new image every 4 hrs |
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| 00:40.26 | hans | and if a meteor hits, will I see it? |
| 00:40.38 | emcnabb | no :-) |
| 00:40.56 | findlay | hans: the sleeves are awesome, I have the complte Mozart edition in about 10 cm X 30 cm X 30 cm, that's 180 CDs and program notes |
| 00:41.17 | findlay | doesn't have librettos though )-: |
| 00:41.56 | emcnabb | it doesn't seem to take up much RAM |
| 00:42.49 | amcnabb | findlay, How much did that cost. |
| 00:42.51 | amcnabb | ? |
| 00:42.54 | hans | cool. let me know when you have a little howto ;-) I'm not tired of the tardis yet so no hurry |
| 00:43.12 | hans | amcnabb: findlay spends a small fortune on classical music every year |
| 00:43.16 | findlay | amcnabb: about $1100.00 |
| 00:43.23 | amcnabb | Not too surprising. |
| 00:44.05 | findlay | actually I haven't bought more than 1 CD per every 3 - 5 months lately |
| 00:44.08 | hans | my organ works cds cost just over 100 and I had to save up for a couple of months and use my christmas money to get it :) |
| 00:44.43 | amcnabb | :) |
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| 00:45.47 | findlay | summer 2000 - spring 2001 I worked continuously, was not going to school, and was liviing at home, so I had no expenses |
| 00:45.58 | hans | but I had all the sheet music (that only cost $20 - a cd with pdfs), so I had to get them |
| 00:46.13 | findlay | so I ended up with a lot of money and I decided to buy a lot of recorded music (: |
| 00:46.28 | hans | findlay: i think buying music was a better choice than buying 5 mp3 players. ;-) |
| 00:46.48 | findlay | hans: do you have the CD sheet music (TM) brand? |
| 00:47.01 | hans | yeah |
| 00:47.15 | hans | actually it's missing a few pieces, maybe 10 |
| 00:47.31 | findlay | those are nice, good images of urtext in the public domain |
| 00:47.35 | hans | and has a couple that aren't on the CDs. nobody can really agree on what bach's complete organ works really means |
| 00:48.02 | hans | but I can get those at libraries or ordered when needed, so it was definitely worth it |
| 00:48.10 | findlay | I have the same CD somewhere (of Bach's organ music) |
| 00:48.46 | findlay | what would really be nice is a repository somewhere of all this public domain sheet music |
| 00:48.58 | findlay | like PG |
| 00:49.04 | findlay | but for music |
| 00:49.40 | hans | a lot less than say for the internet archive |
| 00:49.49 | hans | which has lots of music, e.g. live shows |
| 00:50.57 | findlay | might as well include public domain recordings too, if there are any |
| 00:58.37 | emcnabb | findlay, long ago amcnabb was working on a project like that |
| 00:58.55 | emcnabb | it was before his mission, so I don't know exactly what happened to it |
| 00:59.40 | Newsome | Maybe the RIAA sent a takedown notice at Mozart's request... |
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| 01:02.50 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 03:09.30 | hans | jsmith: finally got rebooted eh? |
| 03:09.56 | hans | gah, why doesn't a QTable emit a signal when someone reorders the rows or columns? |
| 03:13.41 | hans | ah, qheader does |
| 03:19.15 | mheath | ~prase the military creases on mheath's freshly ironed shirt |
| 03:19.19 | mheath | ~praise the military creases on mheath's freshly ironed shirt |
| 03:19.21 | ibot | All hail the military creases on mheath's freshly ironed shirt! |
| 03:20.52 | emcnabb | ~salute mheath |
| 03:21.31 | jsmith | hans: Naw, just finally got back into IRC |
| 03:21.41 | hans | whatcha runnin' now? |
| 03:38.54 | goozbach | ~seen maquis |
| 03:39.00 | ibot | maquis is currently on #utah (2d 3h 56m 49s). Has said a total of 545 messages. Is idling for 6h 6m 4s |
| 03:41.30 | jsmith | hans: Trying about a newer FC4 kernel on a laptop. Previous ones had ACPI problems... |
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| 03:55.36 | SpecialK | ~lart maquis |
| 03:57.40 | findlay | ~lart SpecialK and maquis alot |
| 04:17.23 | tensai | ~marry SpecialK and maquis |
| 04:17.24 | ibot | SpecialK, do you take maquis to be your lawfully wedded spouse? maquis, do you take SpecialK? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 04:17.39 | findlay | 50,000 RPMs? Imagine the size of the rpm transaction. |
| 04:18.13 | findlay | yum install like 50,000 rpms |
| 04:19.18 | findlay | yum: I'm sorry, Dave, but do you realize that even though you have 3 GiB of RAM this is going to take until Christmas next year just to validate MD5s? (Y,n) |
| 04:21.05 | findlay | I don't think a CD can withstand more than maybe 10,000 rpms before shattering |
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| 04:47.29 | mheath | I'm going to go insane |
| 04:47.48 | mheath | mheath Don't. |
| 04:47.48 | mheath | mheath Just install gd |
| 04:47.56 | mheath | Poseidon root@chris:/home/chris/ntop# install gd |
| 04:47.56 | mheath | Poseidon install: too few arguments |
| 04:47.56 | mheath | Poseidon Try `install --help' for more information. |
| 04:48.07 | mheath | mheath ........... |
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| 04:49.01 | findlay | obviously Poseiden needs to have more arguments with install to get gd installed |
| 04:49.50 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 04:50.06 | mheath | findlay: Poseidon is under the impression that install installs a package (IE, finds it, fetches it, installs it) |
| 04:50.48 | findlay | mheath: if he is so insistent, then just make it so. Make it a link to rpm or apt-get or whatever |
| 04:50.51 | findlay | (: |
| 04:51.20 | mheath | I'm just tired of helping this guy |
| 04:51.28 | mheath | Him constantly bugging me to help him setup his server, for example |
| 04:51.52 | mheath | I've probably helped the guy install Slackware 5 times now, because every other week he'll decide he's tired of Linux and wants to install Windows 2000 |
| 04:52.25 | mheath | I'm just tired of the constant things like "mheath: fix proftpd, please!" |
| 04:52.43 | mheath | When he's the one that broke it by playing around with the proftpd config file and commenting stupid things |
| 04:53.41 | stdoubt | hey people, anyone here from sllug? |
| 04:55.22 | mheath | And to top it off, these people are isistant on running some horrible IRCd....UltimateIRCd |
| 04:55.47 | mheath | I've ran this several times over the years (briefly for myself, set it up several times for others, etc)...every single time I've done it, I've had problems |
| 04:55.51 | findlay | stdoubt: I've been to a few sllug meetings |
| 04:55.56 | mheath | problems related to starting the daemon |
| 04:56.40 | stdoubt | findlay: do you know of anyplace that recycles computers in SLC, or know any ppl interested in setting a place up? |
| 04:56.47 | xbmodder_ | mheath: i know that feeling |
| 04:56.57 | stdoubt | ...a place like freegeek in portland |
| 04:57.37 | findlay | stdoubt: I believe there may have been some conversation about that a while ago on the mailing list |
| 04:58.11 | mheath | *sigh* I've also decided that I'm not sure I want to attend college |
| 04:58.14 | stdoubt | findlay: hmm i'll have to make the next meeting - are they usually very crowded? |
| 04:58.25 | stdoubt | how many ppl usually |
| 04:58.44 | maquis | mheath: why? |
| 04:58.45 | mheath | Meeting the Chairman of the Comp Sci dept. at Weber State opened my eyes to the fact that even college Comp. Sci professors can be morons |
| 04:59.11 | findlay | between 20 - 50, but as far as people density goes, they meet in a pretty big classrom (: |
| 04:59.37 | mheath | (The guy runs Mandrake, and is instant that hiding encrypted messages in the least signifigant bits of bitmapped images is less breakable than PGP encryption, and that its more useful) |
| 04:59.43 | mheath | *insistant |
| 04:59.47 | findlay | mheath: you're going to find morons everywhere |
| 04:59.58 | stdoubt | that soulds good, i'd like to see freegeek get cloned here in SL |
| 05:00.11 | stdoubt | s/soulds/sounds |
| 05:00.23 | maquis | mheath: cs profs can certainly be... yeah |
| 05:00.35 | mheath | I knew some would be morons |
| 05:00.39 | mheath | but I kinda assumed.... |
| 05:00.47 | mheath | The *chairman* of the comp. sci department! |
| 05:01.02 | findlay | yup, that's life |
| 05:01.19 | stdoubt | FG is a recycling/education center that gives linux PCs to po' folk who volunteer in recycling, |
| 05:01.33 | stdoubt | about 12 ppl make a living at it |
| 05:01.42 | stdoubt | it's a 501c3 non profit |
| 05:01.50 | findlay | that's neat |
| 05:02.10 | findlay | DI may have some kind of simmilar functionality with hardware |
| 05:02.48 | mheath | DIs hardware is horrible in my experience |
| 05:02.51 | findlay | computer hardware, that is |
| 05:03.02 | stdoubt | AFAIK the PCs DI can't seel get dumped on So America along with all the other flotsam |
| 05:03.04 | mheath | I used to look for some stuff at the DI here in Ogden |
| 05:03.21 | mheath | their computer section consisted of.... |
| 05:03.22 | findlay | mheath: it's as good as what you put into it, literally |
| 05:03.36 | mheath | a plastic tub full of random circuit boards from random electronics |
| 05:03.46 | mheath | some electronic typewriters |
| 05:04.15 | stdoubt | UT has the 3rd highest PC base in the US - most of all PC waste goes to China where poor ppl bake, and burn away the toxixs to extract the copper, gold etc..... |
| 05:04.34 | findlay | really? last time I went to DI I walked out with a pretty nice UPS |
| 05:04.36 | stdoubt | ugly business |
| 05:04.39 | mheath | misc. electronics (radios, ooooooold monocrhome computer monitors, etc) |
| 05:04.45 | mheath | assorted cables |
| 05:04.49 | mheath | mice and keyboards |
| 05:04.54 | findlay | it didn't work, of course, but I got what I wanted out of it |
| 05:05.02 | findlay | stdoubt: that's interesting |
| 05:05.10 | mheath | and some horribel and ancient software |
| 05:05.14 | stdoubt | oh, FG has a thriftshop too- |
| 05:05.21 | mheath | I actually bought a copy of Windows 3.11 at the DI once |
| 05:05.24 | stdoubt | it's like a geek heaven |
| 05:05.30 | mheath | there were no floppy disks in the box |
| 05:05.39 | mheath | just some documentation for an even older version of MS-DOS |
| 05:13.42 | mheath | stdoubt: I actually had dreams once of starting something kinda comparable to that |
| 05:14.31 | mheath | a complex/building....a place for a variety of computer hackers (in the original non-criminal sense of the word) to live and eat, and with awesome computing facilities |
| 05:15.01 | stdoubt | it would take several ppl to get it started, and probably a few grand |
| 05:15.10 | mheath | it would all be funded by server colocation and dedicated hosting, as well as a computer parts store, etc, which the people there would run in their spare time |
| 05:15.25 | stdoubt | well, it's a place of business so no one lives at FG but i bet a few wish they could ;] |
| 05:16.48 | stdoubt | thriftshop, classrooms, recycling, warehousing (they have 100's of ready boxes, all on the govt. tab |
| 05:17.18 | mheath | Goodnight, everyone. |
| 05:17.31 | stdoubt | gnight |
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| 08:00.46 | xbmodder | gwt |
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| 16:13.03 | linuxalien | Any LDS people know where I can get scriptures for Mac? |
| 16:56.06 | goozbach | www.lds.org |
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| 17:41.48 | mheath | I hating setting up and configuring servers =\ |
| 17:42.09 | mheath | you know, your simple, every-day server with Apache, MySQL, PHP, ProFTPd, E-mail, etc.. |
| 17:42.28 | mheath | I wish there was a configuration tool that would do all that.... |
| 17:43.02 | mheath | IE, a curses-based menu system, where you could go and edit the configuration and features of your servers |
| 17:43.25 | mheath | Then, a GarPorts or similar based system that would take that configuration information, and install/recompile stuff appropriately |
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| 17:54.41 | xbmodder | mheath, webmin? |
| 17:55.10 | mheath | xbmodder: Nothing like webmin. |
| 17:55.25 | mheath | And I don't see how what I said implied that it would be anyhting like webmin |
| 18:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I enjoy doing that stuff by hand though ;) |
| 18:11.10 | xbmodder | me too |
| 18:11.24 | xbmodder | ScytheBlade1, You know those embedded boards you gave me the link to earlier? |
| 18:11.31 | xbmodder | Can you repeat it? |
| 18:11.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 18:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | www.soekris.com |
| 18:14.27 | xbmodder | I am looking at buying a net4526-20: |
| 18:15.23 | xbmodder | When I get enough money I'll buy some |
| 18:15.31 | xbmodder | and then I'll build a wireless sniffer. |
| 18:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a 4521 |
| 18:16.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And you can do far more than just a wireless sniffer, haha |
| 18:16.57 | xbmodder | sniffer/hotspot? |
| 18:17.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Right now, my 4521 (133MHz) boots up completly in 10 seconds even |
| 18:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bridges it's two NICs, and starts up a wifi AP |
| 18:17.32 | ScytheBlade1 | unencrypted, BUT |
| 18:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | will only respond to 10.99.99.25 and only allows SSH into it with a hostkey |
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| 21:10.47 | hans | what to make of our pumpkin |
| 22:13.46 | xbmodder | hey |
| 23:18.04 | TheDiff | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=prismstumbler&searchon=names |
| 23:18.15 | brac | [Debian -- Debian Package Search Results] |
| 23:18.18 | TheDiff | where is nerfle? |
| 23:18.20 | TheDiff | oh |
| 23:18.21 | TheDiff | oops |
| 23:18.24 | TheDiff | wrong channel |
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