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| 01:24.14 | maquis | why doesn't the command-line have an undo button? |
| 01:33.03 | Tene | it could. |
| 01:33.22 | xbmodder | hey |
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| 01:41.17 | emcnabb | I could see how it could have an undo "command", but where would the undo "button" go? |
| 01:41.41 | Tene | on the front of the case |
| 01:50.17 | maquis | emcnabb: either way |
| 01:50.35 | maquis | there are plenty of times when the undo functionality would be really useful |
| 01:51.16 | emcnabb | undo what though? |
| 01:51.21 | emcnabb | file deletions? |
| 01:51.27 | maquis | emcnabb: the last command.. whatever it is |
| 01:51.31 | emcnabb | scp's to other machines? |
| 01:51.34 | maquis | in this case, the unzipping of a zip-file |
| 01:52.26 | maquis | i can just think of so many times i've typed a command, hit enter, and then thought "oops!" |
| 01:53.13 | emcnabb | it could work for a few commands, but others it couldn't |
| 01:53.26 | emcnabb | e.g. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 01:53.35 | emcnabb | try to undo that :-) |
| 01:57.49 | Tene | well |
| 01:57.58 | Tene | what you do is you delay the action until another command has been typed |
| 01:58.21 | Tene | so you have to say "do this" and then "Okay, really do this" |
| 01:58.25 | Tene | and that wouldn't be annoying. |
| 01:59.46 | mheath | Doesn't ZSH do something like this? |
| 01:59.48 | maquis | emcnabb: i heard about someone who wanted to dd /dev/zero onto their MBR, and accidentally did it over their entire drive... |
| 01:59.49 | emcnabb | so I run a command, and it doesn't really run? |
| 02:00.08 | Tene | yep |
| 02:00.12 | Tene | exactly |
| 02:00.13 | emcnabb | that would suck |
| 02:00.24 | mheath | I've never used zsh, I just remember someone telling me on IRC that they had locked themselves in zsh to prevent themselves from doing something stupid to their system when they were drinking on new years eve |
| 02:00.50 | maquis | mheath: in my experience, it's quite possible to do a lot of stupid things in zsh |
| 02:00.56 | maquis | emcnabb: perhaps not everything... |
| 02:01.05 | emcnabb | so if I have to run a command, I type it on the command prompt, and if I really need it to run I type some other command just so the previous one runs |
| 02:01.23 | maquis | but, for example, if you delete a file, it marks the file deleted, but keeps all the info there |
| 02:01.54 | Tene | alias rm='mv $1 ~/.recyclebin/' |
| 02:01.57 | maquis | or... when you unzip a file, it allows you to un-unzip it... or at least remove everything created by the unzip |
| 02:02.00 | emcnabb | why don't you just write a wrapper that instead of running a command, tacks it to the end of a tarball |
| 02:02.10 | emcnabb | or what Tene said |
| 02:02.27 | maquis | see... most of my problems aren't actually from rm though |
| 02:02.34 | emcnabb | what if unzip overwrote some files? |
| 02:02.40 | emcnabb | does it save those first too? |
| 02:02.54 | maquis | going through and figuring out which files in a directory were just added by a poorly-made tarball/zip file is annoying and frustrating |
| 02:02.55 | Tene | alias uncreate='find . -cmin -1 -exec rm {} ;' |
| 02:03.12 | emcnabb | maquis, just create a temp directory and unzip it there |
| 02:03.15 | maquis | emcnabb: by default it asks before overwriting when you unzip |
| 02:03.19 | emcnabb | that's what I always do |
| 02:03.24 | maquis | emcnabb: yes... but i shouldn't have to |
| 02:03.47 | Tene | it's easy to find all files created in the last minute |
| 02:03.49 | emcnabb | what if you say yes to an overwrite, should it be able to undo that too? |
| 02:04.08 | emcnabb | I think the solution is to think before you type |
| 02:04.09 | Tene | However, that's why I always use -t >.> |
| 02:04.17 | Tene | unzip -t file.zip |
| 02:04.30 | maquis | i don't know... i just wish i could undo stupid commands |
| 02:04.34 | emcnabb | Tene, good suggestions |
| 02:04.36 | Tene | err |
| 02:04.37 | Tene | -l |
| 02:04.57 | Tene | Yeah, that's a good point. |
| 02:05.12 | maquis | and i know that poor kid in my cs240 class would've paid good money for an undo feature after he accidentally ran rm -rf * instead of rm -rf *.o |
| 02:05.17 | Tene | I'd talk about wishing I could undo stupid actions in real life, but then I'd sound like I was mocking you. |
| 02:05.25 | emcnabb | maquis, it's called backups |
| 02:05.38 | maquis | emcnabb: yes... backups are great |
| 02:05.43 | mheath | what we need is something like a "execute" command |
| 02:05.46 | maquis | but they don't fix everything |
| 02:05.49 | mheath | you can type in a series of commans |
| 02:05.51 | Tene | ~execute mheath |
| 02:05.56 | mheath | and make sure you typed them properly |
| 02:06.32 | maquis | unless you back *everyting* up... (executables, etc) |
| 02:06.32 | emcnabb | maquis, they do fix most problems if you back up often |
| 02:06.32 | mheath | then run "execute" and have them actually run |
| 02:07.33 | Tene | alias begin='cat > .seriesofcommands.sh && sh .seriesofcommands.sh ; rm -f .seriesofcommands.sh' |
| 02:07.35 | maquis | anyway, i was just really annoyed at having to go through and deal with the actions of the stupid person who zipped this up |
| 02:07.52 | Tene | maquis: did it overwrite anything? |
| 02:08.02 | maquis | Tene: no... it just got in the way |
| 02:08.11 | Tene | maquis: so just do what I said and use 'find' |
| 02:08.16 | Tene | find . -cmin -1 |
| 02:08.26 | amcnabb | I've found that people don't want undo nearly as much once they learn to pay attention to what they're doing. |
| 02:08.53 | Tene | not that that negates yoru concerns |
| 02:08.59 | Tene | it's just a convenient solution in this instance. |
| 02:09.01 | maquis | what the? |
| 02:09.36 | maquis | i was just in a directory |
| 02:09.39 | maquis | and then i did cd .. |
| 02:09.41 | maquis | and ls |
| 02:09.47 | maquis | and the directory i was in is gone |
| 02:09.51 | Tene | spooky |
| 02:10.18 | maquis | i don't get it |
| 02:10.26 | maquis | it was just there |
| 02:10.30 | Tene | did you delete it? |
| 02:10.37 | emcnabb | maquis, you sure have a lot of problems (and strange things) happen to you |
| 02:10.41 | amcnabb | Deleting directories can make them disappear. |
| 02:10.50 | maquis | amcnabb: i didn't delete it! |
| 02:10.55 | maquis | i was just *in* it |
| 02:11.05 | emcnabb | you can still delete a dir that you're in |
| 02:11.06 | amcnabb | You can delete a directory while you're in it. |
| 02:11.11 | Tene | I've done it |
| 02:11.13 | maquis | emcnabb: yes... i've noticed... and i don't know why |
| 02:11.21 | maquis | emcnabb: i've done it too... but not this time |
| 02:11.22 | amcnabb | Why not? |
| 02:11.30 | Tene | what were you doing in there? |
| 02:11.45 | emcnabb | show us your shell history |
| 02:12.36 | xbmodder | hey |
| 02:12.49 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.49 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.49 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.49 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.12 | xbmodder | what is freemind.sh? |
| 02:13.25 | maquis | check out freemind.sourceforge.net |
| 02:14.17 | maquis | emcnabb: i swear, i don't see how it could've gotten deleted |
| 02:14.42 | xbmodder | maquis, do your aliases have anything weird in them? |
| 02:14.58 | maquis | xbmodder: no... nothing that ought to cause anything like this |
| 02:15.26 | emcnabb | maquis, what are you installing freemind for? (what in the heck is it?) |
| 02:16.07 | maquis | emcnabb: i just wanted to see what it is... it's some mind-mapping software that hans and levi were discussing a bit ago |
| 02:17.12 | emcnabb | I missed that discussion... |
| 02:17.28 | maquis | i just thought it sounded interesting, so i'd try it out... |
| 02:17.39 | maquis | looks pretty cool, but this kinda freaks me out |
| 02:18.34 | maquis | emcnabb: have you ever seen anything like this? |
| 02:20.10 | emcnabb | no |
| 02:20.16 | maquis | emcnabb: mmk |
| 02:20.24 | maquis | it's just really weird |
| 02:20.37 | maquis | and i'm kinda curious *how* it happened |
| 02:22.14 | Tene | maybe it mapped your mind and discovered your secrets, and then ran off with them, taking your directory with it. |
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| 02:33.41 | emcnabb | squash is yummy |
| 02:34.03 | Newsome | yuck |
| 02:34.41 | Newsome | emcnabb: you're supposed to include a smiley at the end of a statement like that so that we know you're joking. |
| 02:34.46 | emcnabb | cooked with brown sugar on the top with a little bit of honey... |
| 02:34.53 | emcnabb | nope :-) |
| 02:34.54 | maquis | emcnabb: what kinda squash? |
| 02:35.08 | emcnabb | butternut |
| 02:35.13 | maquis | mmm |
| 02:35.27 | maquis | squash isn't as good as eggplant, though |
| 02:35.53 | Newsome | Worst meal I had on my mission was steamed squash in a bed of cabbage. |
| 02:36.24 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 02:37.40 | maquis | mmmm.... mushrooms! |
| 02:37.57 | Tene | and cabbage |
| 02:38.13 | emcnabb | Newsome, that does sound good right now :-) |
| 02:38.30 | Newsome | Tene: you didn't happen to live in Spokane, WA back in about 94...? |
| 02:38.43 | emcnabb | there are a lot of foods that are either very good or horrible, depending on how they are prepared |
| 02:38.44 | Tene | nope |
| 02:39.01 | emcnabb | squash and cabbage fall into that category in my opinion |
| 02:39.25 | hans | maquis: why is that? |
| 02:39.38 | emcnabb | most of the time I love them, but there have been bad experiences that I've had with them |
| 02:39.40 | mheath | emcnabb: squash is hard to mess up |
| 02:39.54 | hans | hard to get really right too |
| 02:40.08 | emcnabb | have you ever had a half baked squash? |
| 02:40.10 | emcnabb | nasty |
| 02:40.21 | Newsome | Actually, spaghetti squash can be very useful. You can decorate a spaghetti squash and a pumpkin side-by-side, and have Bert & Ernie! |
| 02:40.33 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:40.49 | Newsome | it really works quite well! :) |
| 02:41.17 | emcnabb | so what's Daniel going to be this year for Halloween? |
| 02:41.26 | mheath | wow, I'm in the school newspaper :) |
| 02:41.44 | emcnabb | mheath, in the crime watch section? :-) |
| 02:41.45 | emcnabb | j/k |
| 02:41.59 | Newsome | emcnabb: a bee. He saw the costume, and decided he couldn't be anything else |
| 02:42.09 | emcnabb | sweet |
| 02:42.35 | mheath | "Students in the Military". My (and others) answers to a questionaire they had us fill out about our military experience |
| 02:42.40 | mheath | I'm glad I filled one out |
| 02:43.00 | mheath | I'm the only non-army guy :P |
| 02:43.17 | emcnabb | Lisa's cousin's daughter is a butterfly this year |
| 02:43.19 | emcnabb | very cute |
| 02:43.34 | maquis | cute! |
| 02:44.05 | emcnabb | they had the school parade today and Lisa went |
| 02:44.24 | mheath | Lets see |
| 02:44.26 | maquis | pics? |
| 02:44.27 | mheath | BeOS |
| 02:44.30 | mheath | and MSN :P |
| 02:44.50 | emcnabb | maquis, I don't have any, sorry |
| 02:45.05 | maquis | :( |
| 02:45.28 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/photoalbum/kidpics/rabbits.jpg |
| 02:45.33 | emcnabb | that's me long ago... |
| 02:45.52 | maquis | haha |
| 02:45.54 | maquis | that's cute! |
| 02:46.08 | hans | sweet, blackmail material |
| 02:46.22 | hans | now we just have to find some way to tie rabbits to microsoft |
| 02:46.29 | emcnabb | well, it's hard to blackmail pictures from when someone's a kid |
| 02:46.37 | hans | we'll find away |
| 02:46.40 | emcnabb | now, if that picture was from last year... |
| 02:47.02 | mheath | Wow |
| 02:47.05 | mheath | who edits this? |
| 02:47.22 | hans | probably a student |
| 02:47.23 | emcnabb | the school newspaper? |
| 02:47.29 | mheath | "At our school there are many students upon us that we haven't yte recognized for there athletic talents." |
| 02:47.50 | mheath | (misspellings preserved) |
| 02:48.09 | maquis | mheath: what are they trying to say? |
| 02:48.35 | mheath | That there are many students in our school who have unrecognized athletic talents. |
| 02:49.06 | mheath | They get the point across, it just amazes me that an editor didn't catch the countless misspellings and horrible grammar |
| 02:49.28 | hans | maybe there is no editor |
| 02:49.39 | mheath | This thing is covered in misspellings |
| 02:50.01 | mheath | It's like they were intentionally trying to fit in as many as they could |
| 02:50.25 | maquis | mheath: maybe that's what it is |
| 02:50.26 | Tene | Back when I was in HS, My friends and I would go through the school newspaper and correct all the errors we could find. |
| 02:50.32 | Tene | *huge* amounts |
| 02:50.35 | Tene | It was terrible |
| 02:50.40 | Tene | And they *had* an editor. |
| 02:50.43 | mheath | Tene: this isn't terrible |
| 02:50.44 | Tene | Just an incompetent one. |
| 02:50.46 | mheath | This is rediculous |
| 02:51.00 | mheath | It's like an incompetent 6th grader wrote every article in here. |
| 02:51.17 | Newsome | http://www.sorensonfamily.com/pics/picalbum.php?mode=view&album=2005%2F10_October&pic=20051025-001.jpg |
| 02:51.20 | brac | [PicAlbum: 2005/10_October] |
| 02:51.22 | mheath | They misquoted me, too. |
| 02:51.42 | mheath | Made it sound like I said several somewhat non-sensical, random things. |
| 02:51.53 | emcnabb | Newsome, that's great |
| 02:52.01 | maquis | Newsome: cute!!! |
| 02:52.30 | Newsome | only, he thinks the antennae are stingers... :) |
| 02:52.41 | maquis | :) |
| 02:54.07 | emcnabb | time to get some stuff ready for my trip next week... bbl |
| 02:54.08 | mheath | brb |
| 03:00.33 | hans | mheath ironically mispelled ridiculous |
| 03:00.53 | hans | Newsome: is he plugged into the power outlet for a reason? |
| 03:02.27 | hans | and why is your favicon /. ? |
| 03:03.45 | emcnabb | he's always buzzing with energy |
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| 03:06.29 | hans | -lart levi |
| 03:06.36 | levi | Yo. |
| 03:07.04 | hans | so I'm satisfied with freemind for this particular use (planning a presentation) |
| 03:07.09 | hans | even though it hates maquis |
| 03:07.47 | hans | now if I could just be satisfied with the printing landscape from my laptop to my printer situation |
| 03:10.00 | hans | http://hans.fugal.net/tmp/presentation.pdf |
| 03:11.08 | levi | hans: I get a 300 error there, Multiple Choices. |
| 03:11.15 | hans | sorry, it's there now |
| 03:11.33 | hans | a little forgetfulness combined with over-reliance on tab there. :) |
| 03:11.33 | maquis | it seems to be working fine now that i've re-installed it |
| 03:12.09 | hans | the nice thing about a mindmap for a presentation is that it's basically equivalent to an outline, but much easier to jump around in |
| 03:12.19 | hans | without getting completely lost |
| 03:12.48 | maquis | it seems like a cool program... |
| 03:13.00 | levi | That's true, but it's also a lot bulkier since you can't linearize it into a stack of papers. |
| 03:13.22 | hans | right. you can collapse threads and print them separately, but you're right |
| 03:13.43 | hans | but for a small enough presentation (or big enough paper ;-)it's all there in front of you |
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| 04:05.57 | maquis | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/10/dmca_review.html <-- don't know if it'll actually do any good, but it might be worth a try |
| 04:05.58 | brac | [Schneier on Security: DMCA Review] |
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| 05:12.07 | maquis | anyone here who can help with a stupid question??? |
| 05:12.34 | fishyfire | i don't know if i can.... but shoot! |
| 05:12.42 | maquis | ok |
| 05:12.51 | maquis | i'm doing something wrong here, and i can't figure it out |
| 05:13.02 | Supaplex | get to the point maquis :P |
| 05:13.05 | maquis | gcc is failing on this line: |
| 05:13.19 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.24 | maquis | with the error: |
| 05:13.33 | maquis | cracker.c:89: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 05:13.55 | maquis | here's the declarations for word and salts |
| 05:14.00 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.06 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.10 | mheath | Hmm. Whats the rule on having knives in baggage on airplanes? |
| 05:14.14 | Supaplex | man crypt, compare data types etc etc. |
| 05:14.15 | maquis | (both are initialized with data later) |
| 05:14.23 | maquis | mheath: stick them in checked baggage |
| 05:14.36 | maquis | Supaplex: did that... they're both supposed to be char*s and it returns a char* |
| 05:14.43 | mheath | maquis: so it's OK to have them in checked baggage? |
| 05:14.45 | maquis | and as far as i can see, that's what i'm giving it and expecting back |
| 05:14.51 | maquis | mheath: yup |
| 05:15.21 | maquis | Supaplex: am i missing anything stupid/obvious? |
| 05:15.44 | Supaplex | that's the first thing I check. |
| 05:15.57 | maquis | Supaplex: i checked it... |
| 05:16.01 | maquis | but that seems to be panning out |
| 05:16.04 | Supaplex | i'd curise on over to ##C++ or something |
| 05:16.09 | maquis | unless i'm being *really* stupid |
| 05:16.10 | Supaplex | cruise* |
| 05:16.25 | maquis | Supaplex: mmk |
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| 05:19.12 | fishyfir1 | dumb computer..... |
| 05:20.15 | mheath | argh |
| 05:20.37 | Supaplex | fishyfir1: blame the operator! |
| 05:20.47 | mheath | My Sea Bag is just over there restriction on free checked baggage sizes |
| 05:20.49 | mheath | just too big |
| 05:21.05 | mheath | and my ALICE bag will be way too big... |
| 05:21.11 | fishyfir1 | how about the program! |
| 05:21.15 | fishyfir1 | or the OS |
| 05:22.14 | mheath | *military equipment and clothing |
| 05:24.04 | Supaplex | use brown :) |
| 05:25.24 | mheath | Supaplex: I doubt they overnight on christmas day :P |
| 05:25.34 | mheath | (my training starts on the 26th) |
| 05:25.38 | maquis | Supaplex: looks like i needed to cast for some unknown reason.. despite the fact that everything was the type it was supposed to be |
| 05:32.31 | tensai | maquis: like this? cipher = (char *)crypt(word, salts[0]); |
| 05:33.08 | maquis | tensai: actually ended up having to do cipher = (char*)crypt((char*)word,(char*)salts[i]); |
| 05:33.20 | maquis | not completely certain which one worked, but i don't think any of them should've been necessary |
| 05:33.33 | tensai | what I pasted solved it for me |
| 05:33.41 | maquis | might've been that |
| 05:33.47 | tensai | so I think the 2nd and 3rd were redundant |
| 05:33.50 | maquis | tensai: why would that be necessary? |
| 05:34.10 | maquis | tensai: according to the manpage, crypt returns a char*, so i don't see why i would need to cast it to a char* |
| 05:36.38 | tensai | that's what I see too. can't say I'm an expert at C. |
| 05:36.57 | maquis | tensai: mmk |
| 05:37.09 | maquis | anyway, you're right that i only need that first one |
| 05:37.22 | maquis | tensai: did you have to include anything beyond unistd.h to get it to compile? |
| 05:37.29 | Newsome | maquis: how did you define cipher? |
| 05:37.42 | maquis | Newsome: as a char* |
| 05:37.51 | maquis | char* cipher = (char*)crypt(word,salts[i]); |
| 05:38.18 | Newsome | hmm |
| 05:39.12 | tensai | maquis: #define __USE_XOPEN before you include unistd.h |
| 05:39.15 | maquis | Newsome or tensai: i'm still getting one weird error: |
| 05:39.19 | maquis | tensai: oh.. |
| 05:39.23 | maquis | .that might solve this problem |
| 05:39.35 | tensai | apparently the crypt() stub isn't being included, as can be seen with gcc -E |
| 05:39.44 | maquis | tensai: what's that for? |
| 05:39.50 | maquis | do you know? |
| 05:39.54 | tensai | it's guessing that crypt() returns an integer. at compile time it figures out the proper symbol |
| 05:40.24 | maquis | tensai: it's still not finding crypt in the linker? |
| 05:40.29 | tensai | -lcrypt |
| 05:40.36 | tensai | it says so in the man page |
| 05:40.43 | maquis | and i'm using -lcrypto when i compile |
| 05:40.49 | maquis | and i've got the #define at the top of the file |
| 05:40.53 | tensai | s/crypto/crypt/ ! |
| 05:41.46 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:41.54 | maquis | wonder why i had lcrypto in there |
| 05:42.14 | maquis | tensai: is there an lcrypto? |
| 05:42.21 | maquis | because that's what i used for rsa... and it worked? |
| 05:43.40 | tensai | libcrypto is part of ssleay. libcrypt is part of glibc |
| 05:43.55 | maquis | tensai: ah... that explains it |
| 05:44.09 | maquis | that's not nice of them to make them so similar, though |
| 05:44.26 | tensai | blame eric young. he thought of it. |
| 05:44.35 | tensai | I don't think it's so confusing though |
| 05:46.07 | maquis | my roommates are screaming very loudly, and i don't know why |
| 05:46.13 | maquis | tensai: thanks for the help |
| 05:46.21 | Newsome | maquis: try compiling with -Wall. I'm guessing you'll get a "implicit declaration of function 'crypt'" warning |
| 05:46.21 | mheath | maquis: maybe you should scream too? |
| 05:46.23 | fishyfir1 | more of that zpper thing? |
| 05:46.26 | mheath | :) |
| 05:46.31 | maquis | mheath: dunno |
| 05:46.32 | fishyfir1 | *zapper |
| 05:46.48 | maquis | fishyfir1: i don't think so... this sounded more like a spider or something like that |
| 05:46.54 | fishyfir1 | LOL |
| 05:47.02 | fishyfir1 | wow, things are never boring over there are they?? |
| 05:47.32 | maquis | fishyfir1: do you understand these types of things any better than i do? |
| 05:48.50 | Newsome | maquis: are you getting that "implicit declaration" message, and/or the "initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast" message? |
| 05:49.06 | maquis | Newsome: haven't checked again... just a moment and i will :) |
| 05:49.12 | fishyfir1 | the screaming over the spider thing? |
| 05:49.22 | maquis | the screaming in general thing |
| 05:49.30 | fishyfir1 | not really.... |
| 05:49.40 | maquis | (i have no idea what they're screaming about, but it reminds me of how some girls scream over spiders) |
| 05:49.45 | fishyfir1 | LOL |
| 05:49.54 | maquis | fishyfir1: glad to know i'm not the only one... :) |
| 05:49.55 | fishyfir1 | spiders don't bother me too much |
| 05:49.59 | fishyfir1 | :) |
| 05:50.19 | maquis | fishyfir1: i don't mind them so long as they don't startle me |
| 05:50.29 | maquis | i've had them jump out of really odd places, and that kinda freaks me out |
| 05:51.24 | maquis | Newsome: |
| 05:51.25 | maquis | cracker.c:54: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘getline’ |
| 05:51.25 | maquis | cracker.c:74: warning: control reaches end of non-void function |
| 05:51.25 | maquis | cracker.c: In function ‘dictAttack’: |
| 05:51.25 | maquis | cracker.c:103: warning: implicit declaration of function ‘crypt’ |
| 05:52.03 | maquis | Newsome: what's the reason for that? |
| 05:52.05 | Newsome | maquis: add a "#include <crypt.h>" and you'll probably be able to remove all the casts around crypt |
| 05:52.41 | fishyfir1 | if they are really big and soundly found crawling on me that isn't very cool |
| 05:52.49 | maquis | fishyfir1: yeah |
| 05:53.02 | Supaplex | maquis: I'd peel away the source for john the ripper, and see how it does that. |
| 05:53.03 | fishyfir1 | but in general if i see one crawling across the floor i am not going to stand up and start screaming |
| 05:53.29 | fishyfir1 | of course i like to go fishing, and that's not something most females enjoy |
| 05:54.05 | maquis | Newsome: any idea what i need to include to get the getline complaint to go away too? |
| 05:54.13 | maquis | because the crypt one worked like a charm |
| 05:54.17 | Newsome | maquis: not sure yet. I'll check. |
| 05:54.21 | maquis | fishyfir1: :) |
| 05:54.25 | maquis | Newsome: where are you checking |
| 05:54.33 | maquis | i didn't see anything in the manpage.... |
| 05:54.57 | Newsome | maquis: gcc didn't know the definition of crypt, so it was defaulting the return type as int |
| 05:55.09 | maquis | fishyfir1: i'm not a big fan of fishing, but i never minded the cleaning of the fish |
| 05:55.11 | Newsome | maquis: I'm checking /usr/include/*, etc. |
| 05:55.25 | maquis | my dad would explain which organs are which, and show me how they fit together (he's a doctor) |
| 05:55.33 | fishyfir1 | lol, i don't mind cleaning them either |
| 05:55.37 | fishyfir1 | lol, cool |
| 05:55.49 | maquis | Newsome: grepping? |
| 05:55.53 | Newsome | yea |
| 05:55.55 | fishyfir1 | i have helped my dad gut a deer before also, and that didn't bother me either |
| 05:56.04 | maquis | fishyfir1: that sounds really interesting |
| 05:57.14 | Newsome | maquis: I can't imagine a C program that didn't include stdio.h, but just to check,... |
| 05:59.13 | Newsome | maquis: try "#define __USE_GNU" before including stdio.h |
| 06:00.05 | maquis | Newsome: will try that |
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| 06:00.12 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 06:00.19 | maquis | btw, if anyone's curious, my roommates were screaming due to a scary movie |
| 06:00.30 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, that always sucks. |
| 06:00.59 | maquis | Newsome: still has that, but no worries |
| 06:01.07 | maquis | it's just a warning, and it's working fine (i think) |
| 06:01.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Hi, what would be the best way to sell an idea? Basically whats the best way to setup a front company. |
| 06:02.03 | fishyfir1 | which movie were they watching? |
| 06:02.12 | fishyfir1 | well i guess that is better than a spider.... |
| 06:02.14 | Newsome | maquis: how about "#define _GNU_SOURCE" before including stdio.h ? |
| 06:02.42 | Newsome | maquis: you could also do "extern ssize_t getline(char **lineptr, size_t *n, FILE *stream);" |
| 06:02.56 | maquis | Newsome: tried that |
| 06:03.02 | maquis | fishyfir1: i'm not sure what they're watching |
| 06:03.08 | maquis | but they're screaming regularly |
| 06:03.11 | maquis | i think it's something on tv |
| 06:03.15 | fishyfir1 | lovely! |
| 06:03.22 | xbmodder_lappy | At least is not as bad as teenage girls. |
| 06:03.27 | maquis | Newsome: i have no idea what that second suggestion is... |
| 06:03.31 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: ummm.... |
| 06:03.47 | Newsome | maquis: try adding the "extern ..." line after the #includes |
| 06:03.57 | maquis | ok |
| 06:03.59 | fishyfir1 | LOL |
| 06:04.37 | Newsome | maquis: it defines the function manually so we don't have to find the right combination of header files :) |
| 06:05.27 | maquis | Newsome: that just caused a lot of other warnings |
| 06:05.40 | Newsome | bah |
| 06:05.59 | Newsome | probably needs #include <ctype.h> |
| 06:06.39 | maquis | nope :) |
| 06:06.39 | maquis | it's not a big problem, though :) |
| 06:06.39 | Newsome | okay. you're stuck with the one warning :) |
| 06:07.30 | maquis | there is certainly something to be said for having a room to myself, though |
| 06:07.43 | Newsome | ah, ssize_t looks to be defined in unistd.h |
| 06:08.03 | fishyfir1 | that's nice! |
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| 06:13.17 | fishyfire | okay, that's better.... now i'm on with the right name |
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| 06:14.37 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, hey |
| 06:19.37 | maquis | question for guys in the channel: is it attractive in any way when a girl screams? |
| 06:19.58 | maquis | my roommates scream a lot more when guys are over, and i was curious if that's osmething that for some odd reason guys are attracted to... |
| 06:20.36 | maquis | (this question has perplexed me for years as i've seen girls scream around guys....) |
| 06:21.54 | xbmodder_lappy | I find it really annoying |
| 06:22.02 | xbmodder_lappy | some guys think its cute when girls scream |
| 06:22.06 | xbmodder_lappy | (At least teenage guys) |
| 06:22.24 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:24.20 | xbmodder_lappy | hmmm? |
| 06:24.34 | maquis | just thinking |
| 06:24.40 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 06:24.54 | maquis | trying to figure out what would be considered cute about it |
| 06:28.19 | xbmodder_lappy | I have no idea. |
| 06:28.47 | xbmodder_lappy | Maybe the ringing in your ears after the scream? |
| 06:29.30 | Newsome | maquis: theory: girls screaming would show their vulnerability. Guys can then show their stability, and ability to protect. "cute" is probably not the right term. More like one of those 10,000-year-old methods for getting the guy. |
| 06:30.06 | maquis | Newsome: hmmm |
| 06:30.08 | xbmodder_lappy | exactly. |
| 06:30.14 | maquis | guess i don't have much chance with that method |
| 06:30.18 | xbmodder_lappy | I would say Newsome's description is good. |
| 06:30.28 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, are you buff or something? |
| 06:30.36 | maquis | no... but i don't scream |
| 06:30.39 | xbmodder_lappy | oh. |
| 06:30.43 | xbmodder_lappy | but your smart :) |
| 06:30.48 | xbmodder_lappy | and cool, and nice :) |
| 06:30.48 | maquis | even when people have come up behind me to try to scare me, i don't scream |
| 06:31.07 | maquis | i jump... and i get startled, but i don't have the screaming instinct |
| 06:36.29 | maquis | what the? |
| 06:38.03 | maquis | wow... that's impressive |
| 06:39.07 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 06:39.53 | maquis | well... my password that generally is considered to be a "good" password by most sites isn't good enough for cacert.org |
| 06:40.44 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 06:40.51 | xbmodder_lappy | What is it? |
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| 06:41.23 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe. |
| 06:42.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Like mine out of context would be "PengiunsownBillGates1995" |
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| 06:49.43 | fishyfire | maquis: guess it won't work for me either |
| 06:49.58 | fishyfire | oh well.... |
| 06:50.19 | xbmodder_lappy | heheh |
| 06:53.24 | Supaplex | what was my quit msg? |
| 06:53.43 | fishyfire | (00:25:57) Supaplex left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). |
| 06:53.56 | Supaplex | ty |
| 06:54.04 | fishyfire | np |
| 07:10.22 | findlay | does anybody want to have an artificial debate with findlay? |
| 07:11.30 | xbmodder_lappy | sure. |
| 07:11.31 | xbmodder_lappy | about whay? |
| 07:11.38 | findlay | whay? OK |
| 07:11.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ~whay |
| 07:12.04 | findlay | um, I think you're totally wrong |
| 07:12.23 | findlay | whay is definitely going to have a comeback like tomorrow |
| 07:16.35 | xbmodder_lappy | whay is never going to have a comeback. |
| 07:16.44 | xbmodder_lappy | whay is something of the 80s. |
| 07:17.44 | findlay | ibot: whay is an ancient form of rhetoric that when reverse engineered gives the algorithm for the optimal picking of exotic wildflowers in the 80s |
| 07:17.45 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 07:18.59 | findlay | ~lart maquis since I haven't done so in too long |
| 07:44.09 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here to talk to me about anything? |
| 07:46.11 | xbmodder_lappy | You know they got the technology to build aircraft that can get to china in 2 hours |
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| 10:41.14 | stdoubt | anyone here familiar with FreeGeek in Portland? |
| 10:42.29 | stdoubt | anything like it in Salt Lake? Or any group trying to build a place like that? |
| 10:48.35 | stdoubt | ...you ppl shouldn't leave your computers logged to irc while you sleep.... |
| 10:49.26 | stdoubt | freakin sleepers |
| 10:50.16 | stdoubt | <music> Salt Lake face wit da Provo booty....!</music> |
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| 11:27.18 | stdoubt | anybody up yet?? yer missin' Bob Lonsberry !! |
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| 11:42.39 | stdoubt | heyhey |
| 11:47.32 | bonez41 | stdoubt, why not? |
| 11:47.40 | bonez41 | who is Bob? |
| 11:48.15 | stdoubt | why not? oh -wastes electricity? |
| 11:48.41 | stdoubt | but i was here asking about Freegeek |
| 11:49.17 | bonez41 | never heard of freegeek, sorry |
| 11:49.44 | stdoubt | would sure be nice if UT had a FG...we pump out a lot of landfill made of PCBs |
| 11:49.55 | stdoubt | it's worth a google.. |
| 11:50.07 | stdoubt | freegeek.org |
| 11:50.25 | stdoubt | 501c3 non-profit type org |
| 11:51.02 | stdoubt | about 12 ppl make a living recycling PCs for underprivileged peeps and teach Linux etc |
| 12:12.08 | bonez41 | what is FG? ah...that...ok... |
| 12:12.14 | bonez41 | do you have a 501c3? |
| 12:13.06 | stdoubt | no but i'd like to set one up in SLC |
| 12:13.30 | stdoubt | if i knew of ppl who were interested in duplicating FGs efforts |
| 12:31.29 | stdoubt | anyway i'm going to try and make the next lug meeting and bring it up to ppl |
| 12:32.02 | stdoubt | ciao for now, <music> Salt Lake face wit da Provo booty</music> |
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| 15:12.25 | Goshen | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/Plug/SCO-Protest/.cache/640x480-dsc00347.jpg |
| 15:12.28 | Goshen | lol, I love that picture! |
| 15:12.37 | Goshen | sco protest... |
| 15:13.06 | elg | brailsmt's little girl |
| 15:13.25 | elg | that was a fun day |
| 15:16.23 | Goshen | Thats just great :) |
| 15:16.44 | Goshen | I am looking for a place to post news on the plug site, don't see one |
| 15:17.14 | elg | isn't. it's a static site for now |
| 15:17.22 | elg | but if you let sjansen know he'll put it up for you |
| 15:17.34 | Goshen | have contact info? |
| 15:17.58 | elg | pops in here regularly. sorry I don't have his email handy |
| 15:18.11 | elg | well maybe this is it: sjansen@buscaluz.org |
| 15:18.59 | Goshen | thanks, I went to his site, and there wasn't much there other then a nice set of eyes :) |
| 15:19.19 | elg | :) |
| 16:01.05 | Goshen | nupm.org is down |
| 16:02.44 | harleypig | Wow. This the is the funniest (and most dangerous anti-mormon) text I've seen: http://www.catholic.com/library/Distinctive_Beliefs_of_Mormon.asp |
| 16:02.46 | brac | [Distinctive Beliefs of the Mormon Church] |
| 16:03.07 | harleypig | Last line says 'The LDS slogan, "Families are forever," means fractured families.' |
| 16:04.41 | harleypig | It's the most dangerous I've seen because it describes our beliefs correctly. Even the interpretation is correct, if negatively written. |
| 16:12.56 | mheath | ~lart Utah |
| 16:13.35 | mheath | A state where a highschool newspaper would feel compelled and justified to replace the word "hell" in a quote with "heck" |
| 16:14.14 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:14.18 | harleypig | Got a link? |
| 16:14.35 | mheath | harleypig: no, but I can type up how they misquoted me in here |
| 16:14.47 | mheath | theres several other ways this misquoted me |
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| 16:15.07 | mheath | I had said something to the effect of "Looking back, it was a great experience and one I will never forget" |
| 16:15.09 | mheath | they quoted me as |
| 16:15.14 | mheath | "I will never forget looking back." |
| 16:16.21 | mheath | "I got very little sleep, horrible food, boring classes, and lots of physical training. It was a living heck in the middle of it, but an amazing experience. I'll never forget looking back. I made a lot of friends." |
| 16:16.41 | mheath | They condensed a large paragraph of my writing into that, in probably the stupidest looking way possible |
| 16:21.13 | harleypig | If you said what you were writing about I missed it. What experience are you talking about? |
| 16:21.37 | mheath | harleypig: they were writing an article on students in the military, soon to be in the military, or invovled with the military. |
| 16:21.42 | harleypig | And I'm used to that in media (tv as well). It's sad, but I've just gotten to the point where I expect it. |
| 16:21.48 | harleypig | It's not exclusive to Utah. |
| 16:21.56 | mheath | harleypig: it contains my responses to a survey the author of the article distributed |
| 16:22.07 | harleypig | Ah. That's right. You were the one who went to a ... mini-boot? |
| 16:22.23 | mheath | Asking about my experiences/expectations with the US Navy, and the USNSCC (A tough youth organization I'm currently part of) |
| 16:22.31 | mheath | harleypig: yeah, sort of. |
| 16:23.03 | harleypig | But, how hard could the squids be? |
| 16:23.09 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:23.41 | harleypig | Sorry ... it's ingrained. |
| 16:25.10 | mheath | harleypig: I'm sure you had those moments......when you've been doing PT for hours straight, and every inch of your body doesn't think it can go on...at that moment, you have to push yourself more than you've ever done in the past, just to continue |
| 16:25.38 | mheath | Marine Corp basic is tougher than Navy basic, but each camp presents situations and moments like those, I'm sure :) |
| 16:25.51 | harleypig | oh yeah... both then and since, though I think boot helped me in those times. |
| 16:26.01 | harleypig | err .. those later times. |
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| 16:26.36 | harleypig | Live grenade training ... I saw a DI levitate with 2 boots once. |
| 16:26.43 | harleypig | the memories. |
| 16:27.04 | mheath | Anyway, I'm considering going SEAL after I join, and currently in a workout regime to prepare me for that |
| 16:27.12 | harleypig | woah. |
| 16:27.16 | harleypig | Good luck. |
| 16:27.24 | mheath | So, eventually, I think I'll have even a marine like your self beat :P |
| 16:27.32 | harleypig | And be careful. I've known a few seals in my time. |
| 16:27.38 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:28.15 | harleypig | Most of the seals I knew had dead eyes. The ones who didn't and were willing to talk told me that it was really hard to keep their faith. |
| 16:28.43 | harleypig | My brother is force recon, he tells me the same thing. |
| 16:29.22 | mheath | I like the Navy, and at one time I was sure that I wanted to do pure ship-related stuff |
| 16:30.01 | mheath | However, I'm attending a USNSCC tactical field training in december.... |
| 16:30.29 | harleypig | You sound like primer material for the 3-digit brigade. |
| 16:30.30 | mheath | And I realized how much I was looking forward to that |
| 16:30.43 | harleypig | uh ... prime, not primer. |
| 16:30.57 | mheath | harleypig: 3-digit brigade? :P |
| 16:31.09 | harleypig | FBI CIA DDA DSA ... |
| 16:31.37 | harleypig | I guess with Homeland Security we should iclude 2-digit. |
| 16:31.43 | mheath | nah, I could never do anything like that.. |
| 16:31.49 | mheath | anyway, I have to leave for work |
| 16:31.56 | harleypig | nice chattin |
| 17:18.10 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 17:18.55 | goozbach | I'm gonna freeze |
| 17:19.00 | maquis | goozbach: why? |
| 17:19.05 | maquis | do you still not have gas? |
| 17:19.18 | goozbach | going to the BYU game |
| 17:19.34 | maquis | ah... |
| 17:19.35 | goozbach | and it's raining |
| 17:19.41 | goozbach | and cold |
| 17:19.57 | maquis | the game this time 2 years ago was in 2 or 3 inches of snow, and i went to that... |
| 17:20.06 | maquis | we did freeze pretty well, though |
| 17:20.11 | maquis | goozbach: you coming up this way? |
| 17:20.21 | maquis | or is it in slc? |
| 17:20.31 | goozbach | that way |
| 17:20.40 | maquis | cool |
| 17:20.44 | maquis | what time? |
| 17:21.19 | goozbach | 1:00 |
| 17:21.35 | goozbach | I'm en route right now |
| 17:21.40 | maquis | coo |
| 17:22.15 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/48604/ShowPost.aspx |
| 17:22.18 | brac | [Not Just Another RLB o'PCC - The Daily WTF] |
| 17:29.07 | goozbach | so cold |
| 17:29.47 | maquis | goozbach: it's not that cold over here |
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| 18:36.40 | goozbach | i've got extra tickets if anyone is intrested |
| 18:38.02 | goozbach | likke what? |
| 18:43.18 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
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| 18:45.18 | maquis | http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html |
| 18:45.28 | xbmodder | vontrapp, is your last name vontrapp |
| 18:46.04 | vontrapp | nope |
| 18:47.36 | emcnabb | I have xplanet running as my background image now; it downloads satellite images every 4 hrs and superimposes it on top of the normal earth image |
| 18:47.52 | vontrapp | i love xplanet |
| 18:48.10 | emcnabb | I messed with xearth long ago, but this is much nicer |
| 18:53.42 | vontrapp | too bad it doesn't automatically read your timezone info and default to where you are |
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| 18:57.24 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 19:05.13 | vontrapp | TheDiff: good morning! |
| 19:05.19 | TheDiff | haha |
| 19:05.21 | TheDiff | yes |
| 19:05.26 | TheDiff | it is a good morning |
| 19:09.09 | emcnabb | vontrapp, it's easy though to set a latitude and longitude |
| 19:09.15 | emcnabb | doing -random is fun too |
| 19:10.23 | TheDiff | has anyone used Eclipse before? |
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| 19:11.07 | vontrapp | now do you turn on the satellite images? |
| 19:14.01 | emcnabb | http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/clouds.php |
| 19:14.02 | brac | [Real Time Cloud Map] |
| 19:15.00 | emcnabb | you basically just download the image from the mirrors (I have a cron job that does this) |
| 19:15.15 | emcnabb | and you set cloud_map=whatever.jpg in your xplanet config file |
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| 19:28.31 | findlay | how does one mount a freebsd partition under linux |
| 19:28.43 | elg | with mount, probably |
| 19:28.53 | elg | the only thing I can think of would be knowing what type it is |
| 19:29.02 | elg | mount -t foo /dev/something /mnt |
| 19:29.24 | findlay | freebsd has subpartitions, probably makes things interesting |
| 19:29.34 | elg | how so? |
| 19:30.32 | findlay | maybe you can't just say 'mount /dev/hda3' |
| 19:31.33 | elg | if linux is gonna support it, and I think it would, then it's going to have to be mounted from one of linux's devices |
| 19:31.49 | elg | I don't understand this subpartition thing or how it relates to linux mounting it |
| 19:32.30 | findlay | just newbie speculation, but I think I |
| 19:32.40 | findlay | 'm going have to build a kernel module |
| 19:32.47 | findlay | for the fs |
| 19:32.51 | elg | yes, you're going to need kernel support |
| 19:33.16 | elg | that's what the -t foo is all about, you're telling it to use filesystem type foo, which should be compiled in or as a loaded module |
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| 19:33.55 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 19:36.38 | maquis | findlay: at the plug presentation, i *thought* they said that the linux kernel doesn't really support freebsd's filesystem yet |
| 19:37.04 | maquis | and that shared partitions have to be ext2/ext3 to be mountable in both |
| 19:37.10 | maquis | but i could be remembering that wrong |
| 19:41.35 | findlay | maquis: 'make menuconfig' -> CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL |
| 19:42.08 | maquis | findlay: mmk... i guess i was mis-remembering or misunderstanding ... |
| 19:42.14 | maquis | maybe even misunderestimating :) |
| 19:43.55 | findlay | although it says ufs write support is (DANGEROUS) |
| 19:45.42 | findlay | elg: kernel documentation help says freebsd extended partitions are much like DOS extended partions |
| 19:52.03 | elg | dos' extended partition stuff is in the partition table |
| 19:52.10 | elg | is freebsd's? |
| 19:53.08 | xbmodder_ | I just had to disarm an alarm. |
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| 20:13.52 | maquis | xbmodder_: how? |
| 20:14.08 | xbmodder_ | maquis: one of two thinks. |
| 20:14.11 | xbmodder_ | Things. |
| 20:14.14 | xbmodder_ | unplug it. |
| 20:14.19 | xbmodder_ | and unplug the battery. |
| 20:15.04 | xbmodder_ | is there any way to check is a switch is on is shorted without passing current through the circuit? |
| 20:26.30 | vontrapp | shorted? shorted == on |
| 20:26.39 | xbmodder_ | yeah. |
| 20:26.47 | xbmodder_ | I basically have an alarm system |
| 20:26.53 | xbmodder_ | with no documentation :( |
| 20:27.22 | vontrapp | no, you have to put current through to see. but you can use an ohmeter for that |
| 20:40.45 | findlay | elg: I don't know ... yet (: |
| 20:42.15 | findlay | I don't think so, since freebsd's installer couldn't/didn't want to read the extended partitions already set up |
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| 20:53.07 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 21:01.57 | goozbach | yup mount |
| 21:02.10 | findlay | 'mount yup'? |
| 21:02.49 | findlay | mount: unknown filesystem type 'yup' |
| 21:03.49 | goozbach | nm I'm a little slow |
| 21:04.06 | findlay | and I'm to quick to pun |
| 21:04.30 | findlay | with dubious puns that is |
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| 21:06.11 | findlay | lars-ut: that was an awsome trick |
| 21:06.19 | findlay | in your email |
| 21:06.29 | lars-ut | thanks |
| 21:06.44 | lars-ut | Unfortunatley I used it this morning |
| 21:07.01 | lars-ut | worked though! |
| 21:08.15 | lars-ut | In case anybody else was wondering: http://uvlug.org/pipermail/list/2005-October/000920.html |
| 21:08.16 | brac | [ [UVLUG] SysRq key (Break Glass in Case of Emergency) |
| 21:08.17 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.28 | lars-ut | -hi |
| 21:08.29 | brac | lars-ut: word |
| 21:08.59 | goozbach | if only I could deal with the BYU honor code... there's a large number of attractive female students here |
| 21:10.35 | findlay | anybody here play the violin or 'cello? |
| 21:10.38 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.55 | lars-ut | added that to my dhcpd.conf for Cisco 7940 phones |
| 21:11.20 | findlay | lars-ut: are you using asterisk? |
| 21:11.32 | lars-ut | the phone gets a dhcp lease & shows the tftp server in its status but is still unprovisioned |
| 21:11.37 | lars-ut | findlay: yes |
| 21:12.16 | lars-ut | any ideas? |
| 21:13.40 | findlay | ~seen jsmith |
| 21:13.48 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@64.0.193.204> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 22h 18m 33s ago, saying: '~vim'. |
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| 21:17.42 | findlay | hey, what do you know? |
| 21:18.57 | lars-ut | :) |
| 21:19.33 | lars-ut | jsmith: added option tftp-server-name "192.168.1.7"; to dhcpd.conf |
| 21:19.58 | lars-ut | the phone gets a dhcp lease & shows the tftp server in its status but is still unprovisioned |
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| 21:21.08 | jsmith | lars-ut: No problem... remind me of the MAC of that phone... |
| 21:21.35 | lars-ut | 00:0a:b7:76:a1:09 |
| 21:22.34 | jsmith | OK, have you rebooted the phone? |
| 21:22.38 | lars-ut | yup |
| 21:22.41 | jsmith | (after the DHCP server change) |
| 21:22.42 | jsmith | Strange... |
| 21:22.49 | lars-ut | yup |
| 21:22.49 | jsmith | The config is there... |
| 21:23.33 | jsmith | Hmmmmnnn... |
| 21:23.39 | lars-ut | the phone shows 192.168.1.7 under TFTP Server, Dynamic TFTP Server is blank |
| 21:24.02 | jsmith | Can you edit the Dynamic TFTP server? |
| 21:24.24 | jsmith | I don't see why it's not pulling its config... let me try one other thing. |
| 21:24.45 | lars-ut | should I power off the phone in the meantime? |
| 21:24.54 | jsmith | Actually, just try rebooting the phone now. |
| 21:25.54 | jsmith | Give it the three-finger salute -- * + 6 + Settings |
| 21:26.09 | jsmith | (It's the CTRL-ALT-DELETE of Crisco phones) |
| 21:26.15 | lars-ut | got it |
| 21:26.27 | findlay | maquis: working hard? Give it, like, a $4.00 raise |
| 21:26.35 | maquis | crisco makes phones? |
| 21:26.48 | jsmith | maquis: Yeah, the make routers and switches and stuff too.. |
| 21:26.56 | lars-ut | hard to hold on to |
| 21:26.56 | maquis | jsmith: hmmm |
| 21:27.07 | maquis | i thought they just made shortening :) |
| 21:27.13 | jsmith | lars-ut: Yeah, and when they fry... |
| 21:27.33 | maquis | wow... |
| 21:27.46 | findlay | actually fried crisco hardware is quite good with a little salt |
| 21:27.47 | lars-ut | add some batter & filling & you've got.... coxinhas! |
| 21:27.48 | maquis | temp dropped by 12 degrees within a minute of turning off the cracker |
| 21:28.05 | jsmith | lars-ut: Now you've got me hungry... |
| 21:28.14 | jsmith | maquis: Password cracking today, are we? |
| 21:28.43 | lars-ut | jsmith: still unprovisioned |
| 21:29.08 | lars-ut | any other ideas? I'm short on time. |
| 21:29.23 | maquis | jsmith: yup |
| 21:29.29 | maquis | i just sent it over to my server instead |
| 21:29.40 | maquis | osiris gets too hot |
| 21:30.00 | maquis | he was up to 73 degrees before getting to the Ds in the dictionary attack |
| 21:30.01 | jsmith | lars-ut: tcpdump or ethereal... |
| 21:30.32 | jsmith | maquis: Is this for fun, or are you raining on someone's parade? Just curious... |
| 21:30.36 | lars-ut | k - Monday then. thanks |
| 21:30.44 | maquis | jsmith: for cs465 |
| 21:30.49 | jsmith | lars-ut: OK |
| 21:30.50 | maquis | so, neither |
| 21:30.59 | jsmith | maquis: They teach that stuff in school now? |
| 21:31.22 | maquis | jsmith: we have to write a password-cracker :) |
| 21:31.22 | lars-ut | if I edit the dhcpd.conf will it automatically be reread or do I have to restart the daemon? |
| 21:31.28 | jsmith | lars-ut: Have to restart. |
| 21:31.28 | jsmith | lars-ut: Have you restarted? |
| 21:31.32 | maquis | and then crack as many as we can frm a list of passwords |
| 21:31.32 | lars-ut | dhcp3-server in this case |
| 21:31.35 | jsmith | (You might be able to HUP it) |
| 21:31.39 | lars-ut | a few times |
| 21:31.58 | lars-ut | I just thought I'm going to need to increase the pool size |
| 21:31.58 | jsmith | Strange... |
| 21:32.02 | jsmith | OK. |
| 21:32.56 | maquis | jsmith: part of what they claim they're trying to teach is how easily poor passwords can be broken |
| 21:33.25 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 21:35.36 | lars-ut | Configuring VLAN... |
| 21:35.46 | lars-ut | Requesting Configuration... |
| 21:36.31 | lars-ut | 'Phone Unprovisioned' |
| 21:37.01 | lars-ut | jsmith: We'll try again Monday. |
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