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| 00:11.27 | goozbach | wiskey tango hotel? |
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| 00:21.56 | RyanE | xbmodder_lappy: ibot now ignores utterances from brac. |
| 00:22.07 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:22.10 | xbmodder_lappy | I figured that out. |
| 00:22.18 | RyanE | per TimRiker's command a few hours ago |
| 00:22.27 | xbmodder_lappy | And brack ignores himself |
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| 00:29.42 | mheath | um |
| 00:29.49 | mheath | What an interesting error message |
| 00:29.55 | mheath | Column Index out of range, 0 > 10 |
| 00:29.59 | mheath | Who would have thought? |
| 00:30.03 | mheath | 0 > 10 |
| 00:30.11 | mheath | ~lart javac |
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| 01:22.59 | graphyx | Evening. |
| 01:34.36 | tensai | graphyx: you're right, it is |
| 01:35.05 | graphyx | yes, I am very observant. Even when I can not see.. |
| 01:35.58 | Tene | http://time.gov/ |
| 01:36.06 | Tene | I go there when I'm not sure if it's evening or not |
| 01:36.30 | graphyx | anyone a solaris buff? |
| 01:37.47 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, no. |
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| 01:39.50 | graphyx | hey emcnabb you have played with solaris before right? |
| 01:40.10 | xbmodder_lappy | graphyx, what'd you need? |
| 01:40.47 | graphyx | Well I was wondering what potential there was for someone to exploit the sun management console on port TCP/5987 |
| 01:41.06 | TimRiker | ibot: tell graphyx about ask |
| 01:41.12 | TimRiker | =) |
| 01:43.48 | graphyx | So I should have put a ? at the end of that sentence.. |
| 01:44.15 | graphyx | Does anyone have any experience with the sun management console on port TCP/5987? |
| 01:53.06 | levi | maquis: You might find this interesting: http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/ |
| 01:55.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here got a mercedes? |
| 01:55.45 | xbmodder_lappy | or know someone with a mercedes? |
| 01:56.40 | graphyx | yes |
| 01:58.07 | xbmodder_lappy | do you have one? |
| 01:58.10 | maquis | levi: ooh... cool! |
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| 02:01.43 | maquis | GAH!!!! |
| 02:01.50 | maquis | anyone here any good at making yum play nicely? |
| 02:13.12 | xbmodder_lappy | portage |
| 02:17.20 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/root/var/gift-complete/bond%20-%20Winter%20Sun.mp3 < cool |
| 02:17.34 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i wish... |
| 02:17.45 | maquis | portage would be nice |
| 02:18.39 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 02:59.50 | maquis | stupid thing |
| 03:00.07 | maquis | does anybody here have anything return when they run locate firefox | grep init |
| 03:00.09 | maquis | ? |
| 03:00.09 | mheath | maquis: you own brac, right? |
| 03:00.14 | maquis | mheath: nope |
| 03:00.21 | mheath | Hmm, I thought you did for some reason |
| 03:00.27 | maquis | hans does |
| 03:00.55 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 03:01.00 | mheath | ibot: ibot |
| 03:01.04 | ibot | i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 03:04.19 | mheath | ibot: purl |
| 03:04.21 | ibot | [purl] the same blootbot as apt, ibot, and jbot, or at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:09.56 | tensai | levi: that's pretty awesome |
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| 03:10.34 | tensai | ~praise jsmith |
| 03:10.35 | ibot | All hail jsmith! |
| 03:11.33 | mheath | http://www.navalseacadetstucson.com/abstract.html |
| 03:11.41 | mheath | I am so insanely excited for that training |
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| 03:17.17 | xbmodder_lappy | ~OSWD |
| 03:17.47 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder@lappy ~ $ locate firefox|grep init |
| 03:17.47 | xbmodder_lappy | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/init.d |
| 03:17.47 | xbmodder_lappy | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/init.d/README |
| 03:17.47 | xbmodder_lappy | /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/include/nspr/prinit.h |
| 03:24.09 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here have a Mercedes S500 2002 model? |
| 03:25.10 | jsmith | tensai: Howdy! |
| 03:25.34 | tensai | jsmith: don't worry. I'll type slow for you. :) |
| 03:25.57 | jsmith | Gee, thanks. |
| 03:26.39 | jsmith | s/with/against/ |
| 03:47.13 | tensai | hah. shameless advertising |
| 03:49.34 | jsmith | What are you talkin' about? :-) |
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| 04:00.57 | hans | ooh, I made colloquy mad. now it won't connect |
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| 04:01.20 | hans | there. a little embarrasment fixes everything |
| 04:01.30 | tensai | so which one are you? |
| 04:01.30 | hans | speaking of embarassment |
| 04:01.35 | hans | -spell embarassment |
| 04:02.00 | hans | mm. where'd he go |
| 04:02.13 | tensai | ~seen brac |
| 04:02.19 | ibot | brac <i=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4h 25m 25s ago, saying: '[Index of /pyportal]'. |
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| 04:02.57 | hans | weird. the debug output looked like he thought he was still there |
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| 04:04.31 | elg | I'm me of course |
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| 04:38.21 | xbmodder_lappy | What mode do you need to apply so that the channel does not appear in a person's whois list? |
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| 05:44.37 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: It's about time you showed up on IRC :-) |
| 05:46.01 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:52.30 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, i have been on all the time |
| 05:52.34 | bigdog_ut | you are the one that is never on |
| 05:52.39 | bigdog_ut | i got you book the other day |
| 05:52.44 | jsmith | Oh, cool... |
| 05:53.03 | bigdog_ut | what a piece of sh*t...lol...joking of course |
| 05:53.03 | jsmith | (I've got a couple of free copies for all the LUGs, plus UPHPU) |
| 05:53.16 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Well, at least now I know you've read it :-) |
| 05:53.21 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 05:53.25 | bigdog_ut | right |
| 05:53.36 | bigdog_ut | actually it is sitting here...i got like 4 new books |
| 05:54.09 | bigdog_ut | hows it going so far with sales? |
| 05:54.38 | jsmith | Last I checked (a week or so ago) we were still in the top 10 computer books on Amazon. |
| 05:54.48 | jsmith | And in the top 500 books overall on Amazon. |
| 05:54.51 | jsmith | So I can't complain. |
| 05:55.05 | bigdog_ut | that is nice |
| 05:56.00 | bigdog_ut | you still traveling around? |
| 05:56.53 | jsmith | Yeah, but not as much the past couple of weeks. |
| 05:57.09 | bigdog_ut | cool...just relaxing then |
| 05:57.31 | jsmith | Well, no. |
| 05:57.36 | jsmith | Just busy with other projects. |
| 05:57.45 | jsmith | Doing some VoIP consulting, some programming, etc. |
| 05:58.21 | bigdog_ut | nice...making some good money now are we |
| 06:00.41 | jsmith | Gotta do something to pay the bills... |
| 06:01.01 | bigdog_ut | i hear ya on that |
| 06:01.18 | bigdog_ut | ive actually had alot of time this past month...been relaxing and reading |
| 06:03.40 | jsmith | I'll have some free time about two or three days after I die :-) |
| 06:03.48 | bigdog_ut | lol |
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| 06:04.29 | bigdog_ut | ive been really thinking about the book thing though |
| 06:04.32 | bigdog_ut | to pass the winter |
| 06:04.42 | jsmith | Sounds like fun... :-) |
| 06:05.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah...want to do that advanced pgsql book |
| 06:05.16 | bigdog_ut | really for developers though |
| 06:05.20 | jsmith | I know... |
| 06:05.29 | bigdog_ut | i dont want like history and all the intro stuff |
| 06:05.35 | jsmith | I know that Josh Berkus is doing "The Definitive Guide" |
| 06:05.48 | bigdog_ut | on pgsql? |
| 06:05.56 | jsmith | You want something like "PostgreSQL for Brainiacs" |
| 06:06.00 | jsmith | (yes, on pgsql) |
| 06:06.25 | bigdog_ut | i would love to do one like the developer's notebook series |
| 06:06.36 | bigdog_ut | simple, efficient, and tons of examples |
| 06:06.59 | jsmith | So, what's stopping you? :-) |
| 06:07.08 | bigdog_ut | nothing really |
| 06:07.13 | bigdog_ut | i just need to start it |
| 06:09.24 | bigdog_ut | i want to start working on the outline |
| 06:09.27 | bigdog_ut | and then go from there |
| 06:09.40 | bigdog_ut | what format did you right the book in? or does oreilly like? |
| 06:37.26 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 06:39.53 | findlay | how do you negate a regular expression? |
| 06:40.07 | bigdog_ut | like what do you mean? |
| 06:40.26 | findlay | find everything but /pattern/ |
| 06:41.21 | bigdog_ut | sometimes there is an inverse flag you add |
| 06:41.31 | bigdog_ut | cant remember off the top of my head |
| 06:42.21 | bigdog_ut | how are you processing the regex |
| 06:42.41 | findlay | search and replace in vim |
| 06:43.44 | bigdog_ut | do htis in vim :he regex |
| 06:44.22 | bigdog_ut | then do gg to go to the top |
| 06:44.34 | bigdog_ut | that is the pattern.txt file...has tons of information |
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| 12:34.24 | goozbach | well I'm supposed to start class right now. |
| 12:34.41 | goozbach | problem is I have NO students |
| 12:39.03 | goozbach | and I bought them doughnuts this morning too |
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| 12:45.33 | hans | gooooooood morning #utah |
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| 13:00.47 | mheath | Good morning, hans. |
| 13:01.29 | hans | something very weird happened to my computer. everything worked great except X which decided after a few seconds to ignore my mouse clicks |
| 13:01.42 | hans | and although I saw the mouse cursor moving around, the focus wouldn't change either |
| 13:01.53 | hans | switching to a VC and back fixes it for a brief few seconds |
| 13:02.37 | hans | i managed to get gkrellm working (for a separate reason) and only half of it showed up. So I suspected something with proc or sys or dev or something (had already restarted udevd), so I rebooted and it works fine. |
| 13:02.40 | mheath | Hmm. That is odd. |
| 13:03.16 | hans | oh well. good excuse to upgrade my kernel and fix the things that don't start on boot |
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| 13:06.40 | hans | whoa, and 2.6.14 was just released. what timing |
| 13:13.09 | graphyx | hans: We have something similar happen here. |
| 13:21.22 | graphyx | The mice will just stop responding completely. no movement on them. no clicks. |
| 13:21.35 | graphyx | And you would have to move to a VC and back to X to get it to work correctly. |
| 13:21.52 | graphyx | was happening on stable systems after 6 months of use just all of a sudden. |
| 13:21.54 | graphyx | USB mice. |
| 13:22.01 | graphyx | but the ps/2 mice worked just fine. |
| 13:22.03 | graphyx | It was really odd. |
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| 13:47.50 | hans | mine is usb too. i had movement though |
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| 15:00.47 | dimm | anyone know when the next meeting is? |
| 15:01.01 | maquis | hans: i've had that problem before |
| 15:01.08 | maquis | i don't remember what i did, though |
| 15:01.32 | maquis | hmmm |
| 15:01.42 | maquis | does restarting X fix it? |
| 15:01.50 | maquis | and have you tried hitting scroll-lock? |
| 15:03.31 | hans | no and no |
| 15:03.41 | hans | I don't know if my keyboard has a scroll lock |
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| 15:04.08 | hans | fwiw I was playing with NX earlier and it was doing similar things with xfce4 (but not gnome), but I just blamed that on nx/xfce4 |
| 15:04.29 | maquis | hans: if i'm understanding your problem righ (and if i'm recalling the correct problem), i've had similar things if scroll-lock was on |
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| 15:04.55 | hans | if it happens again I'll hae to try that |
| 15:04.56 | maquis | although... i recall that restarting X *did* fix it |
| 15:05.00 | maquis | but it was a pain |
| 15:05.03 | tensai_ | graphyx: you use nessus? |
| 15:08.11 | graphyx | tensai_: Yes. |
| 15:08.14 | graphyx | I script for it as well. |
| 15:09.56 | tensai_ | what are your other common tools? |
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| 15:14.46 | graphyx | tensai_: well lets see.... |
| 15:15.55 | graphyx | hydra, nmap, amap , xprobe2 p0f, ADMsnap, rpcinfo, google, metasploit, telnet, netcat, stunnel, spike, paros, webinspect, absinthe, ... |
| 15:16.40 | graphyx | firewalk, dnsbrute,ike-scan, etc.. |
| 15:16.53 | graphyx | every new problem has the potential to add to the list of tools. |
| 15:18.54 | tensai_ | cool. looks like I'll be done some vuln assessment soon. I haven't mucked with that stuff since college, back when I wanted to be a l33t hacker. :) |
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| 15:19.13 | graphyx | tensai_: Is this for work or pleasure? |
| 15:19.30 | tensai_ | graphyx: work |
| 15:19.47 | tensai_ | although luckily I enjoy what I do, so technically both |
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| 15:30.49 | maquis | tensai_: that's really cool! |
| 15:30.58 | maquis | have fun with it! |
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| 15:34.51 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:38.00 | goozbach | -say invoke goozbach |
| 15:38.00 | brac | insufficient "say" auth (have 10, need 70) |
| 15:38.25 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 15:38.29 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 15:43.01 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 15:43.02 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 15:44.30 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 15:53.56 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 15:54.01 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 15:56.18 | goozbach | sweet |
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| 16:01.56 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 16:01.58 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 16:02.24 | levi | Heh, an alien as Lisp mascot: http://www.lisperati.com/logo.html |
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| 16:05.36 | graphyx | levi: I always thought it was supposed to be a guy with a speech impediment. |
| 16:05.44 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 16:07.01 | levi | graphyx: Um, yeah. Please consider that 'jokes' that obvious are not funny at all before you type one again. |
| 16:07.52 | maquis | GAH! |
| 16:08.01 | maquis | all my midterms are coming up again next week? |
| 16:09.49 | neybar_work | graphyx: I thought it was pretty funny. |
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| 16:23.28 | hans | uhoh. ooo and thunderbird and everything I usually run |
| 16:23.32 | hans | here goes the swappage |
| 16:23.53 | maquis | hans: huh? |
| 16:24.33 | hans | at least, not the way I use computers |
| 16:25.31 | emcnabb | hans, I thought you were a mutt user? |
| 16:26.27 | hans | yup |
| 16:26.38 | hans | but I have some accounts that I check more or less daily that I don't want forwarded to my main acct |
| 16:26.46 | maquis | hans: did you figure your X problem out? |
| 16:26.56 | hans | well I rebooted and that got rid of it for now |
| 16:27.07 | emcnabb | I use Mutt for my personal mcnabbs.org account, and Thunderbird for work mail |
| 16:27.38 | hans | and one of the features of those accounts is frequently wanting to open attachments, or read html email.. all of which is easier with thunderbird |
| 16:27.57 | hans | and apple's Mail.app is hideously crippled when it comes to IMAP |
| 16:28.53 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 16:30.34 | hans | sifting through ~/ as mailboxes (without mailbox subscription support) is not my idea of fun |
| 16:30.45 | hans | of course that's probably more UW's fault than Mail.app, but they share the blame. |
| 16:37.56 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 16:37.58 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 16:38.55 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
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| 16:39.29 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
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| 16:41.04 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@hfugal.NMSU.Edu) |
| 16:42.03 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 16:48.54 | harleypig | has anyone heard of userful and can give me some idea of how well it really works? |
| 16:53.09 | *** join/#utah hans (n=fugalh@128.123.215.202) |
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| 17:04.10 | hans | http://chadfowler.com/index.cgi/Computing/Career/FightTheTraffic.rdoc,v |
| 17:04.12 | brac | [ChadFowler.com] |
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| 17:33.43 | hans | -roulette |
| 17:33.43 | brac | hans: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 17:34.42 | *** join/#utah tensai (n=tensai@207.141.37.66) |
| 17:34.46 | jsmith | -rps scissors |
| 17:34.46 | brac | rock! I win! |
| 17:34.49 | hans | ~lart tensai |
| 17:34.56 | jsmith | -welcome tensai |
| 17:35.12 | jsmith | -greet tensai |
| 17:35.12 | hans | ~literal welcome |
| 17:35.16 | tensai | aah! I'm being attacked |
| 17:35.20 | hans | ~literal welcome $who |
| 17:35.23 | ibot | Howdy, $who! |
| 17:35.35 | levi | Heya, tensai. |
| 17:35.48 | hans | we just missed you |
| 17:36.04 | hans | and the bots were getting bored. |
| 17:36.37 | hans | i get to present a paper on distributed memory caching issues on monday in class |
| 17:36.41 | hans | that'll be fun |
| 17:36.43 | tensai | I had to restart KDE. things were bogging down. |
| 17:36.54 | tensai | it's much better now |
| 17:36.55 | hans | can't let kde get you down |
| 17:37.07 | tensai | I like kde, but it's a memory hog |
| 17:37.23 | tensai | switched to xfce on my laptop which is memory poor |
| 17:37.42 | hans | i'm kinda bummed that xfce doesn't seem to work right with nx |
| 17:38.04 | levi | hans: Sounds interesting. |
| 17:47.10 | Jayce^ | tensai, you ever get that screen fixed? |
| 17:47.33 | tensai | Jayce^: not sure what you're referring to... |
| 17:47.48 | Jayce^ | when I was up there your laptop would only work if you held it exactly right |
| 17:48.02 | tensai | oh, yeah. that. not really, but it's better. |
| 17:48.51 | tensai | I took out a screw at the base and somehow being lose is better than secure |
| 17:49.05 | tensai | still cuts out once in a while |
| 17:49.05 | maquis | tensai: was that on an apple? |
| 17:49.12 | tensai | maquis: sony vaio |
| 17:49.22 | maquis | tensai: interesting |
| 17:49.36 | maquis | i've seen 2 or 3 apple laptops that have done that, and only 1 other laptop... |
| 17:50.13 | Jayce^ | I had a dell do that for a while |
| 17:50.23 | Jayce^ | thankfully, under warranty |
| 17:50.50 | hans | maquis: update your tally then |
| 17:51.38 | maquis | hans: cool |
| 17:51.59 | maquis | that's actually one area where i've generally had goodluck with my computers... which is nice |
| 17:52.11 | hans | lukfugl's brand new laptop screen bit the dust when a moron knocked it off the desk with his backpack |
| 17:52.40 | levi | Ow. |
| 17:52.47 | levi | Is said moron being held responsible? |
| 17:53.01 | Jayce^ | or at least executed? |
| 17:53.02 | hans | this was years ago, and jacob didn't |
| 17:53.05 | hans | probably should have |
| 17:53.23 | maquis | i always have liked the dell commercials that talk about their no-fault warranty for students |
| 17:53.27 | hans | he muttered something like "sorry" and acted like it wasn't his problem |
| 17:53.59 | maquis | if someone did that to my computer........... |
| 17:54.38 | hans | jacob's too nice. we all are. |
| 17:55.03 | hans | and then there's the people that sue jacob for things like their ankle problems got worse three years after a fender-bender. |
| 17:55.18 | maquis | stupid... |
| 18:00.10 | hans | -lart stupid people |
| 18:01.08 | tensai | hans: if I ever become president, do you want to be my chief of staff? |
| 18:01.30 | maquis | tensai: oooh! pick me!!!! |
| 18:01.38 | tensai | maquis: you can be secretary of agriculture |
| 18:01.41 | hans | sure. does that mean I get to oversee the proper distribution of staffs? |
| 18:01.47 | hans | ~whack stupid people |
| 18:01.48 | ibot | ACTION whacks stupid people upside the head. |
| 18:02.11 | maquis | tensai: actually... can i be in charge of the nukes? |
| 18:02.21 | tensai | hans: I would support that. sounds like fun. |
| 18:02.24 | hans | only if you can pronounce nuclear properly |
| 18:02.32 | maquis | hans: i do pronounce it correctly |
| 18:02.43 | hans | likely story |
| 18:02.51 | maquis | i wouldn't mind nuking people who don't... :) |
| 18:03.47 | maquis | hans: i spent 2 months debating whether the possession of nuclear weapons is immoral... i seriously considered strangling people who went on about nukular weapons |
| 18:06.32 | *** join/#utah Robdor (n=Robdor@customer67-50-41-124.veracitycom.net) |
| 18:06.46 | tensai | hans: I really like this staff idea. everybody in my administration would have a personal staff. they would be required to carry it whenever on official business. |
| 18:10.51 | hans | ~staff Robdor |
| 18:10.53 | *** join/#utah Newsome (n=sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 18:11.33 | Robdor | hans: what the crap? |
| 18:11.41 | hans | ibot, staff $who is <action>speaks softly while whacking $who with a large staff. |
| 18:11.45 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 18:11.54 | hans | welcome, Robdor |
| 18:12.11 | Robdor | ah, thanks hans. |
| 18:13.09 | hans | we were just talking about tensai's reign of terror, and you just missed being whacked with a large staff due to a bot malfunction |
| 18:14.40 | Robdor | I lucked out on that one... |
| 18:25.08 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 18:25.10 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 18:27.32 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 18:27.33 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 18:27.34 | goozbach | goozbach invoked... please wait. |
| 18:27.51 | hans | you can be more creative than that |
| 18:28.07 | hans | some quote from ilderpg or somethign |
| 18:28.35 | goozbach | hans: I'm just working on the regex |
| 18:28.50 | goozbach | I'l get creative later |
| 18:29.52 | goozbach | hmmm I should be getting a message any time now |
| 18:30.37 | hans | goozbachjuice goozbachjuice goozbachjuice |
| 18:30.57 | hans | mmm, that would be a good movie to watch this weekend |
| 18:31.29 | goozbach | make a counter, then when you say it two times it warns you |
| 18:31.43 | goozbach | the third time it pages me |
| 18:33.30 | maquis | ingoii |
| 18:33.52 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 18:33.52 | goozbach | goozbach invoked... please wait. |
| 18:34.26 | goozbach | hmm now to impliment a blacklist |
| 18:34.34 | maquis | doh! |
| 18:35.34 | hans | goozbach: you should include a why, and get the message sent to you saying who and why |
| 18:35.43 | hans | invoke goozbach to kick maqui |
| 18:35.43 | goozbach | goozbach invoked... please wait. |
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| 18:39.42 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach because I love him |
| 18:39.43 | ibot | invoke goozbach because I love him |
| 18:40.02 | maquis | hmmmm |
| 18:40.27 | goozbach | is that out of order for anyone else? |
| 18:40.48 | graphyx | yeah... |
| 18:41.03 | maquis | goozbach: is what out of order? |
| 18:41.03 | goozbach | did the invoke come after the search? |
| 18:41.13 | graphyx | no. |
| 18:41.16 | hans | i saw invoke first |
| 18:41.17 | maquis | no |
| 18:41.22 | maquis | i saw the invoke first |
| 18:41.30 | goozbach | ok just my client then |
| 18:41.42 | maquis | goozbach: should we gag you too? |
| 18:41.49 | graphyx | no.. just /ignore him. |
| 18:41.54 | maquis | i haven't seen you coming by again... |
| 18:42.10 | maquis | unless you have an alter-ego here, i'm guessing you'll be tied down for a while... |
| 18:43.43 | goozbach | I havent gotten the page yet. so keep me tied up |
| 18:43.57 | goozbach | just let me use my thumbs. |
| 18:44.44 | graphyx | sorry thumbs are too useful, we will give you a mouth stick to work with. |
| 18:49.21 | graphyx | goozbach: Have you heard of gooscan? |
| 18:51.15 | goozbach | no what is it? |
| 18:51.39 | hans | and I didn't even take it. |
| 18:52.15 | maquis | hans: what was it? it's one of the only cs classes offered summer-term, and so i'm thinking about taking it |
| 18:52.25 | hans | web programming |
| 18:52.30 | hans | maybe slightly glorified |
| 18:52.36 | maquis | hans: language? |
| 18:52.40 | hans | as in overhyped buzzword java stuff |
| 18:52.47 | hans | sjansen took it, ask him. |
| 18:52.48 | maquis | hmmm |
| 18:52.57 | maquis | that doesn't sound that great |
| 18:53.20 | hans | yup. nothing cool like actually distributed systems |
| 18:53.41 | hans | their idea of distributed is the database runs on a different server than the web server |
| 18:54.05 | maquis | hans: i thought that was how regular web-systems work |
| 18:54.23 | hans | and every time I read about/work with real distributed systems, my blood starts to boil when I think about that class |
| 18:54.27 | hans | maquis: bingo |
| 18:54.51 | maquis | hans: yeah... at least everything i've seen |
| 18:55.33 | levi | Real distributed systems are much cooler. |
| 18:55.55 | maquis | that sucks |
| 18:55.58 | levi | hans: Did you look at erlang at all? |
| 18:56.03 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach because he's sessy |
| 18:56.06 | ibot | invoke goozbach because he's sessy |
| 18:56.06 | maquis | i want to learn more about dist sysems |
| 18:56.06 | hans | only briefly |
| 18:56.24 | hans | sessy goozy wrapped up in plastic disaster |
| 18:56.27 | levi | Erlang makes distributed systems much easier. |
| 18:56.33 | maquis | goozbach: i assume that sessy and sexy are antonyms? |
| 18:56.43 | goozbach | WOOT ! it works! |
| 18:57.00 | levi | 'maquis Go read about Erlang, or erights.org |
| 18:57.01 | maquis | hmmm.. |
| 18:57.31 | hans | levi: if you ever think of doing any sound stuff, you will really like snd |
| 18:57.34 | levi | E (the language at erights.org) has lots of cool stuff. |
| 18:57.55 | levi | maquis: E is interesting from a security standpoint as well. |
| 18:58.03 | goozbach | maquis: the only difference is intensity sessy is an order of magnitude higher than sexy |
| 18:58.03 | maquis | levi: cool |
| 18:58.11 | graphyx | spell sessy |
| 18:58.13 | levi | hans: What is snd, and why will I really like it? |
| 18:58.15 | graphyx | ~spell sessy |
| 18:58.30 | graphyx | are you sure you didn't really mean sissy? |
| 18:58.31 | maquis | goozbach: sissy might be a better word choice, then |
| 18:58.36 | hans | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/ |
| 18:58.37 | brac | [The Snd Home Page] |
| 18:58.51 | graphyx | ~spell graphyx |
| 18:59.04 | hans | a sound editor that can be customized and extended with guile or ruby |
| 18:59.06 | goozbach | sessy (say it out loud) |
| 18:59.28 | maquis | goozbach: i still don't believe you... |
| 18:59.31 | goozbach | it's hoy a gay guy would say sexy |
| 18:59.37 | goozbach | er how |
| 18:59.46 | graphyx | sessy is so far from sexy that ibot didn't even list it in the possible spellings. |
| 18:59.52 | hans | everything from appearance, functionality, transforming the sound (of course), etc. |
| 18:59.58 | maquis | goozbach: so you're saying you're gay? |
| 19:00.14 | levi | hans: Sounds pretty cool. |
| 19:00.18 | graphyx | Perhaps that is why he is having a hard time finding the right girl... |
| 19:00.25 | graphyx | j/k goozbach |
| 19:00.30 | goozbach | no, but the dude who hit on me monday said sessy |
| 19:00.44 | goozbach | (refering to me) |
| 19:00.54 | maquis | goozbach: haha |
| 19:01.04 | graphyx | hit on you? or just plain hit you? The later would support the sissy context. |
| 19:01.18 | goozbach | hit ON |
| 19:01.29 | graphyx | Sorry to hear that. |
| 19:01.36 | goozbach | meh |
| 19:01.38 | graphyx | Was he just trying to get you to up his grade on the class? |
| 19:02.16 | goozbach | if gay guys think I'm hot then chicks should think the same, no? |
| 19:02.29 | graphyx | Not necessarily. |
| 19:02.31 | maquis | goozbach: umm... doesn't work that way |
| 19:02.44 | graphyx | but not being either a gay guy or a girl my opinion counts for little. |
| 19:03.57 | goozbach | sweet my invoke script works like a charm |
| 19:12.33 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 19:12.34 | *** part/#utah Robdor (n=Robdor@customer67-50-41-124.veracitycom.net) |
| 19:12.41 | *** part/#utah phinux (n=phinux@strychnine.cs.byu.edu) |
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| 19:17.49 | goozbach | jes? |
| 19:17.52 | maquis | question |
| 19:18.02 | maquis | is there anything like substring in C? |
| 19:18.16 | goozbach | wrong person to ask |
| 19:18.20 | maquis | i want to grab 8 characters, starting at the 4th |
| 19:18.41 | levi | maquis: See 'man string' |
| 19:19.20 | amcnabb | maquis: pointers make that easy in C |
| 19:19.35 | amcnabb | esp with strncpy |
| 19:19.54 | maquis | amcnabb: oh... didn't think to do it that way... |
| 19:19.55 | maquis | thanks |
| 19:20.12 | amcnabb | no problem |
| 19:20.12 | levi | C is evil that way, but it works. |
| 19:20.55 | maquis | levi: i didn't see anything in man string... but i might've missed it.. .;) |
| 19:21.50 | levi | maquis: I doubt there is, but it would be in man string if it was. |
| 19:21.59 | maquis | ah |
| 19:22.00 | maquis | cool |
| 19:22.09 | maquis | amcnabb's system should work great though |
| 19:22.20 | levi | strncpy is in man string, though. |
| 19:24.32 | Goshen | Any lug webmasters in? |
| 19:25.00 | Goshen | Need to announce the Nov 19th worldwide Mandriva installfest, Salt Lake City is going to be held in Sandy |
| 19:25.12 | linuxalien | Hey cool |
| 19:25.14 | Goshen | or all of Utah if nobody else gets onboard |
| 19:25.49 | amcnabb | after strncpy, make sure to put a '\0' :) |
| 19:26.04 | linuxalien | I started off on Mandrake. Good way to get your feet wet but if you wanna learn more, move onto something like Debian, Slack or Gentoo or something |
| 19:26.06 | Goshen | Its pretty, and it "just works" |
| 19:26.20 | linuxalien | I'd still use Mandriva though if I needed it. Great GUI |
| 19:26.38 | Goshen | less hands on for people that just want an OS that works |
| 19:27.06 | linuxalien | Yeah, definitely. You gotta hand it to them for making something that lets you configure almost 100% with the GUI |
| 19:27.16 | linuxalien | It's probably at 100% GUI by now |
| 19:27.19 | Goshen | I set up my wireless card with ndiswrapper in the gui(please insert windows driver cd, bam, online), I set up samba shares in the gui, I set up services in gui |
| 19:27.21 | Goshen | yea, it is |
| 19:27.40 | linuxalien | That's how an OS should be. At least for certain people. |
| 19:27.42 | levi | maquis: Or zero the buffer you're copying into before strncpy. |
| 19:27.59 | Goshen | I use the command line because I am so used to it, but you don't need to |
| 19:28.39 | Goshen | its sweet to just right click on a directory and share it |
| 19:29.04 | Goshen | and get this....you put in an audio cd...and open it, and you get 3-5 folders... |
| 19:29.13 | linuxalien | Yeah, that is pretty sweet. I'll definitely recommend it to people who are looking to make things more efficient |
| 19:29.13 | maquis | levi: doing that |
| 19:29.24 | linuxalien | Goshen, that's a sweet deal |
| 19:29.26 | Goshen | one says mp3, one flac, one wav, ect... you just drag the format you want to rip in and it goes to your hard drive in that format |
| 19:29.31 | linuxalien | I may burn that for my mum |
| 19:29.58 | Goshen | they have a livecd too |
| 19:30.00 | linuxalien | Yeah, I'm downloading it and burning it for me mum when I get home. She said she wished her linux were easier to use. She's running VidaLinux right now |
| 19:30.07 | linuxalien | She needs to save her emails |
| 19:32.06 | graphyx | amcnabb: Are you trying to prevent yet another buffer overflow attack? How thoughful of you.. |
| 19:33.14 | goozbach | http://users.netradius.com/~goozbach/ |
| 19:33.42 | goozbach | that's my invoke script if you are interested |
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| 19:41.49 | spr | I rip to flac and convert via a perl script I wrote: https://mahonri5.net/svn/public/oggify/oggify.pl |
| 19:48.48 | Goshen | spr: you go from flac to ogg? |
| 19:53.37 | spr | Goshen, well flac to mp3 these days, it does both |
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| 20:10.40 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 20:10.44 | xbmodder_ | sup? |
| 20:10.52 | xbmodder_ | hi how are you guys? |
| 20:11.01 | jsmith | We're quiet :-) |
| 20:11.15 | Goshen | howdy :) |
| 20:11.41 | Goshen | I love open source :) |
| 20:12.04 | xbmodder_ | cool. |
| 20:15.43 | tensai | hans: I took the distributed systems class and didn't find it completely worthless |
| 20:16.32 | sjansen | tensai: where not totally worthless is defined as "it made me certain I never wanted to make a living as a J2EE programmer" |
| 20:16.32 | hans | but it wasn't about distributed systems, was it? |
| 20:16.33 | tensai | I'm not the most critical person in the world, though. I didn't think the final lab was really beneficial |
| 20:16.41 | hans | I've nod oubt it was an ok class about web programming |
| 20:17.30 | hans | ~compile sjansen |
| 20:17.34 | xbmodder_ | hehhe |
| 20:17.34 | sjansen | It was only a distributed systems class for very loose definitions of distributed systems. |
| 20:17.36 | xbmodder_ | i hate JAVA :( |
| 20:17.49 | sjansen | xbmodder: that's okay, Java hates you too |
| 20:19.01 | tensai | sjansen: when did you take the class? |
| 20:19.11 | sjansen | many moons ago |
| 20:19.23 | tensai | from phil windley? |
| 20:19.26 | sjansen | yup |
| 20:19.34 | tensai | wonder if you were in my class... |
| 20:19.42 | tensai | I'd have to remember when *I* took the class |
| 20:20.03 | sjansen | He taught me something else: taking a class on something I know alot about already from a person as pompous as I am is not a good idea. |
| 20:20.45 | tensai | must have been fall 2000 |
| 20:21.08 | sjansen | Afterwards, at work I kept pinned next to my desk a copy of an article where's he's quoted saying "Okay, I'm an idiot." |
| 20:22.02 | sjansen | much later for me |
| 20:22.18 | sjansen | probably more like 2003-ish |
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| 20:28.35 | hans | -weather |
| 20:28.35 | brac | 37 minutes ago, on Fri Oct 28 19:52:00 UTC 2005, the wind was blowing at a speed of 6.17 meters per second (13.81 miles per hour), with gusts to 8.23 meters per second (18.41 miles per hour), from the South/Southeast at KLRU. The temperature was 22 degrees Celsius (72 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1020 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 40.6%. The sky was clear. |
| 20:28.42 | hans | perfect |
| 20:28.51 | vontrapp | -weather |
| 20:28.52 | hans | ~tease vontrapp |
| 20:28.53 | ibot | ACTION tickles vontrapp with a feather and makes vontrapp rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 20:29.12 | vontrapp | don't tell me brac ignored me on a repeat basis |
| 20:29.18 | vontrapp | -brac you suck |
| 20:29.23 | vontrapp | -weather |
| 20:29.26 | hans | -weather kpvu |
| 20:29.40 | hans | it's probably having a hard time with the metar or something |
| 20:29.46 | hans | ~weather |
| 20:29.47 | vontrapp | hans, you broke him with you 8.23 m/s gusts |
| 20:30.28 | hans | ~weather kpvu |
| 20:31.12 | hans | of course everyone here is wearing jackets and sweatshirts |
| 20:31.25 | maquis | why jackets? |
| 20:31.53 | vontrapp | maquis: because it's 70° of course |
| 20:31.53 | hans | because it's freezing! It was probably 65F this morning! |
| 20:32.25 | hans | i think the summer heat does something to people |
| 20:33.25 | vontrapp | hans, it's been raining since about 8:30 last night |
| 20:33.35 | hans | rain is good |
| 20:33.44 | hans | let me check. yup, still blue skies. |
| 20:33.50 | Tene | I wear jackets and sweatshirts because I want to pretend like it's cold enough to do so. |
| 20:34.27 | vontrapp | Tene: if you wear it, snow will come... |
| 20:34.38 | Tene | That's my hope. |
| 20:35.20 | sjansen | ~lart Tene |
| 20:35.24 | sjansen | ~eat Tene |
| 20:35.25 | ibot | ACTION eats Tene and falls over dead |
| 20:35.27 | sjansen | ~fry Tene |
| 20:35.29 | ibot | ACTION grabs Tene and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 20:35.31 | sjansen | ~stab Tene |
| 20:35.32 | ibot | ACTION runs at Tene with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 20:35.33 | Tene | ~win |
| 20:35.35 | ibot | i heard win is lose. |
| 20:35.35 | sjansen | ~freeze Tene |
| 20:35.40 | Tene | ... crap! |
| 20:35.47 | sjansen | ~destroy Tene |
| 20:35.50 | ibot | no |
| 20:35.54 | sjansen | ~crush Tene |
| 20:35.55 | ibot | ACTION crushes Tene with a full height scsi disk |
| 20:35.55 | Tene | ~curse sjansen |
| 20:35.56 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sjansen ! |
| 20:36.01 | Tene | ~cook sjansen |
| 20:36.02 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 20:36.03 | jsmith | ~cluebat sjansen |
| 20:36.04 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps sjansen. |
| 20:36.04 | Tene | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:36.07 | Tene | ~zap sjansen |
| 20:36.08 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives sjansen a good jolt. |
| 20:36.12 | Tene | ~xbmodder sjansen |
| 20:36.13 | sjansen | ~bzfrag Tene |
| 20:36.14 | ibot | ACTION kills Tene with a shot from his BZTank |
| 20:36.19 | sjansen | ~funkybomb Tene |
| 20:36.21 | ibot | ACTION blows away Tene in a psychedelic flash |
| 20:36.23 | Tene | ~bury sjansen |
| 20:36.24 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on sjansen |
| 20:36.33 | sjansen | ~travolta Tene |
| 20:36.34 | ibot | ACTION replaces Tene with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 20:36.41 | Tene | ~moose sjansen |
| 20:36.43 | Tene | ~rps sjansen |
| 20:36.47 | sjansen | ~cook Tene |
| 20:36.48 | ibot | ACTION throws Tene in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Tene on 350 for an hour |
| 20:37.03 | Tene | ~lose |
| 20:37.31 | vontrapp | sjansen: how do you keep your bot skillz so sharp? |
| 20:37.43 | Tene | He takes dietary supplements. |
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| 20:46.32 | lars-ut | ~emulate dib |
| 20:46.34 | ibot | I'm delicious! No one should be this delicious! |
| 20:50.18 | vontrapp | what do those watch guys use to hang all those watches in their jackats? |
| 20:51.24 | hans | bobby pins? |
| 20:51.28 | hans | safety pins? |
| 20:51.31 | hans | straight pins? |
| 20:51.36 | hans | switchblades? |
| 20:51.39 | hans | silly putty? |
| 20:52.27 | jsmith | double-sided tape? |
| 20:52.31 | jsmith | velcro? |
| 20:52.38 | hans | stucco |
| 20:52.39 | hans | plaster |
| 20:52.43 | jsmith | bubble gum |
| 20:52.47 | hans | sourdough start |
| 20:52.56 | jsmith | eeeeeewwww --- you win! |
| 20:53.05 | levi | http://andrewwooldridge.com/myapps/webtwopointoh.html |
| 20:53.07 | brac | [Web Two Point Oh!] |
| 20:53.50 | hans | yes! cellphone-based podcasts via microformats |
| 20:53.54 | hans | I'm going to be rich |
| 20:54.08 | lars-ut | -hello |
| 20:54.09 | brac | lars-ut: hi! |
| 20:54.19 | lars-ut | -botsnack |
| 20:54.19 | brac | lars-ut: schweet! |
| 20:55.41 | neybar_work | why does brac echo urls as [Useless Summary] |
| 20:56.45 | levi | So if someone posts a URL, and it says 'h0t n3kk1d gr1z!!' you won't be fooled into clicking on it. Or something like that. |
| 20:57.38 | graphyx | neybar_work: So that you have a clue what the page is about. versus http://x.x.x.x/infopage.cgi |
| 20:57.54 | sjansen | Infoliink: opml-based movies via bittorrent |
| 20:58.24 | sjansen | neybar_work: so that hans can annoy me daily |
| 20:58.36 | neybar_work | I like sjansen explaination the best |
| 20:58.37 | vontrapp | i think brac just grabs the title |
| 20:59.05 | sjansen | Yahshare: community blogs via bittorrent |
| 20:59.55 | graphyx | -say hi |
| 20:59.57 | sjansen | Zimeehub: greasemonkey extension for shopping via maps api |
| 21:00.03 | sjansen | it doesn't get much better than that |
| 21:00.25 | graphyx | -time |
| 21:00.47 | sjansen | Deleliink: geotag-based auctions via microformats |
| 21:01.53 | sjansen | Zimonomoblog: hans-based collaborative sjansen editing on the #utah |
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| 21:03.32 | sjansen | Delonomoya: fungus-based custom levis via mashed Jayce^ |
| 21:04.40 | hans | http://mail.nl.linux.org/humorix/2002-10/msg00009.html |
| 21:04.41 | brac | [[humorix] The Haunted Server Room] |
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| 22:04.29 | amcnabb | I'm finally giving up my experiment with reiser4. |
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| 22:04.47 | lars-ut | amcnabb: conclusion? |
| 22:05.09 | amcnabb | I think the filesystem design is very cool. I think it has a lot of promise. |
| 22:05.19 | lars-ut | here comes the 'but' |
| 22:05.46 | amcnabb | BUT :) I don't care for Reiser and his attitude toward the world. |
| 22:06.03 | lars-ut | so what r u going with instead? |
| 22:06.15 | amcnabb | When resizing eventually happens, it will be a pay-for-only feature. |
| 22:06.21 | lars-ut | ick |
| 22:06.22 | amcnabb | I'm sticking with ext3 for now. |
| 22:06.32 | amcnabb | I've emailed him personally on the issue. |
| 22:06.40 | lars-ut | good for you |
| 22:07.02 | lars-ut | but ext3 on /boot |
| 22:07.06 | amcnabb | I was happy with jfs overall, but it doesn't allow shrinking. |
| 22:07.23 | lars-ut | I think xfs does |
| 22:07.37 | amcnabb | Maybe that'll be my next experiment. |
| 22:07.47 | lars-ut | good luck |
| 22:07.50 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:07.53 | sjansen | amcnabb: So you're picking your filesystem by the personality of its maintainer? |
| 22:08.39 | amcnabb | Personality of maintainer directs what happens to the filesystem. |
| 22:08.39 | lars-ut | I can see that |
| 22:08.39 | amcnabb | He makes really good decisions and really bad decisions. |
| 22:08.52 | lars-ut | he'd probably make more $ just by asking for donations |
| 22:09.02 | sjansen | amcnabb: What about reiser3? |
| 22:09.06 | amcnabb | I'd rather stick with something stable, if not perfect, than use something that's all over the place. |
| 22:09.09 | lars-ut | assuming that's the motivation behind crippling shrinkage |
| 22:09.24 | amcnabb | Reiser3 doesn't seem to have benefits over ext3 for what I do. |
| 22:09.32 | amcnabb | I tested it out a little, though. |
| 22:09.43 | tensai | what are the benefits you're looking for? |
| 22:09.55 | amcnabb | I'd like to see better performance with large files. |
| 22:10.06 | amcnabb | Deleting on most file systems is slow and disruptive. |
| 22:10.44 | lars-ut | I understand jfs excels at deleting large files - no shrink feature though |
| 22:10.57 | amcnabb | I noticed that with jfs, and it was awesome. |
| 22:11.06 | amcnabb | But I _have_ to be able to shrink. |
| 22:11.12 | sjansen | heh, "JFS, for when you just want your data gone" ;-) |
| 22:11.16 | lars-ut | I've been impressed with xfs - but you need to use the tools that come with it |
| 22:11.17 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:11.35 | amcnabb | Are they bad tools? |
| 22:11.37 | lars-ut | sjansen: that hasn't been my experience |
| 22:11.50 | sjansen | lars-ut: hence the ";-)" |
| 22:11.58 | sjansen | amcnabb: why do you need to shrink? |
| 22:12.21 | amcnabb | The filesystem I'm speaking of is on LVM. |
| 22:12.34 | lars-ut | no - as I recall when I attempted to mount a jfs partition that had problems the journal would be replayed automatically... |
| 22:12.48 | lars-ut | on xfs I think I had to run xfs_check |
| 22:12.48 | amcnabb | Sometimes I need to add a new partition, othertimes I need to shrink to be able to work with the raid underneath. |
| 22:12.55 | lars-ut | xfs_restore |
| 22:12.58 | lars-ut | & the like |
| 22:13.13 | lars-ut | sjansen: what does ;-) mean? |
| 22:13.22 | lars-ut | seu vagabundo |
| 22:13.45 | lars-ut | cheio de graça |
| 22:13.49 | sjansen | lars-ut: :-P |
| 22:14.05 | sjansen | ~emoticon |
| 22:14.08 | ibot | i guess emoticon is a smiley :) |
| 22:14.13 | sjansen | ~smiley |
| 22:14.15 | ibot | i heard smiley is a text-based emoticon like :) or :-) |
| 22:14.28 | lars-ut | sounds like a recursive definition |
| 22:14.39 | lars-ut | no, just looped |
| 22:14.47 | lars-ut | circular reference |
| 22:14.59 | sjansen | like HURD |
| 22:15.04 | sjansen | ~hurd |
| 22:15.06 | ibot | methinks hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux). http://hurd.gnu.org/ |
| 22:15.08 | brac | [The GNU Hurd - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
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| 22:15.37 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:15.38 | sjansen | bah, ibot doesn't know what hurd stands for & I'm too lazy to google it |
| 22:16.10 | amcnabb | Another problem with reiser4 is that since Hans can't get along with anybody on the kernel team, it looks like it's going to take a long time for the code to make it into the vanilla kernel. |
| 22:16.41 | sjansen | amcnabb: we discussed that a little at lunch today |
| 22:17.02 | sjansen | "I am hans, you will accept my code." |
| 22:17.03 | amcnabb | What did you conclude? |
| 22:17.07 | amcnabb | yep |
| 22:17.29 | hans | well not everyone can be named hans |
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| 22:17.57 | emcnabb | thank goodness |
| 22:18.00 | sjansen | "Fool, you dare to criticize my beautiful code! You are not worthy to look upon it. Accept it now!" |
| 22:18.06 | emcnabb | if everyone was named hans, that would be confusing |
| 22:18.27 | amcnabb | He doesn't respond to questions very well. He takes everything really personally. |
| 22:18.45 | jsmith | If you'd put that much time and effort into a filesystem, you'd take it personally too. |
| 22:18.52 | SpecialZ | ~lart maquis |
| 22:18.58 | jsmith | You spend that much time on a project, and it becomes your baby. |
| 22:19.02 | amcnabb | They ask him, "Why didn't you do it this way?" and he responds, "Because you're all freaking morons. Too bad you can't write your own filesystem. Then I would talk to you." |
| 22:19.11 | sjansen | jsmith: your baby's ugly |
| 22:19.17 | hans | sound like a lonely world |
| 22:19.22 | hans | where you can only talk to filesystem writers |
| 22:19.26 | jsmith | sjansen: Exactly -- that's what it sounds like to him! |
| 22:19.43 | hans | sjansen: your baby has a beard |
| 22:20.05 | SpecialZ | That would be kind of funny |
| 22:20.30 | emcnabb | sjansen is trying to look wise |
| 22:20.35 | emcnabb | it's not working very well |
| 22:21.18 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 22:21.23 | maquis | emcnabb: haha |
| 22:22.02 | lars-ut | ~google hurd |
| 22:22.15 | sjansen | emcnabb: fool! you are not worthy to gaze upon my glorius beard! |
| 22:22.40 | emcnabb | you mean: "child molester beard" |
| 22:23.06 | emcnabb | or not... |
| 22:24.17 | lars-ut | sombody write mod_beard for the bot |
| 22:24.25 | jsmith | lars-ut: I've got a 6-day beard every other day :-) |
| 22:24.27 | emcnabb | ~shave sjansen |
| 22:24.52 | jsmith | maquis: a beard on your legs? |
| 22:25.04 | sjansen | maquis: a mustache? |
| 22:25.14 | sjansen | maquis: enough armpit hair to braid? |
| 22:25.26 | jsmith | maquis: I'm back -- hit me with your best shot |
| 22:25.47 | jsmith | Ooooh... now that's low... |
| 22:25.48 | sjansen | o/~ Come on and hit me with your best shot! Fire away. ~/o |
| 22:26.30 | vontrapp | ~wtf hurd |
| 22:26.31 | jsmith | lars-ut: You calling me fat? |
| 22:27.06 | emcnabb | time to get back to work... |
| 22:27.20 | amcnabb | We went from filesystems to armpit hair really fast this time. |
| 22:27.22 | maquis | emcnabb: you work? |
| 22:28.13 | maquis | amcnabb: have you ever been here when bucky's been around? |
| 22:28.20 | amcnabb | ? |
| 22:28.23 | emcnabb | we haven't started talking about Nazi Germany yet |
| 22:28.26 | emcnabb | keep going guys |
| 22:28.41 | lars-ut | I still have him - and only him on my ignore list |
| 22:28.55 | maquis | amcnabb: trust me... #utah gets worse than what you've seen... :) |
| 22:28.55 | jsmith | We haven't argued the intricate differences between nerds and geeks, |
| 22:29.15 | sjansen | or listed our favorite foods |
| 22:29.21 | sjansen | or listed our favorite 80's bands |
| 22:29.24 | sjansen | or listed our favorite 80's toys |
| 22:29.27 | maquis | and we're still speaking english |
| 22:29.27 | sjansen | or listed our favorite 80's tv shows |
| 22:29.28 | Newsome | <bucky mode>What about the grip the Mormon Church has over the politics in Utah, and....</bucky mode> |
| 22:29.34 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:29.36 | tensai | sjansen: cabbage patch kids |
| 22:29.39 | lars-ut | or listed or favorite 80s cartoons |
| 22:29.40 | emcnabb | so amcnabb, did you ever get your "friend"'s computer fixed? |
| 22:30.01 | emcnabb | did it turn out she had broken it to get you to come over? |
| 22:30.04 | amcnabb | sjansen, speaking of food, what do you call those great Brazilian black beans? |
| 22:30.14 | sjansen | uhm... black beans? |
| 22:30.18 | amcnabb | emcnabb, it was an apartment. |
| 22:30.26 | tensai | disposal fodder |
| 22:30.32 | amcnabb | sjansen, where would you find a recipe, etc.? |
| 22:30.34 | emcnabb | oh, "friends" |
| 22:30.40 | lars-ut | either feijoda or bixos negros |
| 22:30.41 | sjansen | amcnabb: you might be talking about feijoada |
| 22:30.53 | amcnabb | Thanks. |
| 22:31.12 | Newsome | amcnabb: the whole apartment broke their computers just to get you to come over? |
| 22:31.23 | sjansen | emcnabb: your brother has an entire aparment of girls after him?! |
| 22:31.33 | emcnabb | yup |
| 22:31.36 | amcnabb | Aparently, but all they gave me was three half-Cheetos. |
| 22:31.37 | sjansen | ~congratulate amcnabb |
| 22:31.45 | ibot | ACTION congratulates amcnabb on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 22:32.16 | Newsome | amcnabb: Daniel needs more Red Green shows. He's watched the 4 we have about 100 times already. |
| 22:32.22 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:32.22 | sjansen | amcnabb: so what's your secret with the ladies? |
| 22:32.28 | amcnabb | We'll have to make some more dvds. |
| 22:32.40 | tensai | sjansen: I'm guessing it's regular bathing |
| 22:32.52 | emcnabb | now, bucky would say that you could marry all 4 of them, but in reality you'll only be able to have one? Which one do you choose? |
| 22:33.09 | amcnabb | None of the above? |
| 22:33.19 | sjansen | tensai: sounds a bit drastic for me... |
| 22:33.22 | amcnabb | My bishop said I'm young and have plenty of time left. |
| 22:33.22 | lars-ut | ouch. |
| 22:33.22 | emcnabb | save one for sjansen |
| 22:33.45 | emcnabb | your bishop is also very anti-Linux |
| 22:33.51 | Newsome | amcnabb: apparently he says differently in Relief Society meeting |
| 22:33.57 | amcnabb | emcnabb, it all equals out. |
| 22:33.58 | emcnabb | haha |
| 22:34.10 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:34.24 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (n=cristoba@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:35.49 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds --- Jeff Waugh will be speaking at BYU on Nov 15: save the date! (more info will be forthcoming) --- amcnabb has an entire apartment of girls after him, he needs your help finding a girlfriend to scare them off |
| 22:36.08 | emcnabb | ROFL |
| 22:36.58 | lars-ut | shouldn't there be something in there about beards? |
| 22:37.17 | sjansen | emcnabb: remember the wedding announcement we put on your site a couple years back? |
| 22:37.25 | sjansen | that _that_ was funny |
| 22:37.35 | amcnabb | :) |
| 22:37.43 | emcnabb | nobell, it was not funny |
| 22:37.50 | emcnabb | no |
| 22:37.59 | hans | nobell? |
| 22:38.02 | hans | is this new slang? |
| 22:38.03 | emcnabb | I'm just STARTING to get amcnabb back |
| 22:38.13 | emcnabb | typo |
| 22:39.34 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds --- Jeff Waugh will be speaking at BYU on Nov 15: save the date! (more info will be forthcoming) |
| 22:40.34 | maquis | emcnabb: couldn't you just beat him up? |
| 22:41.27 | maquis | or is that too easy? |
| 22:41.28 | maquis | :) |
| 22:42.28 | emcnabb | I want it to be an emotional beating |
| 22:42.47 | sjansen | maquis: the truth is, emcnabb is scared of his little brother |
| 22:43.06 | maquis | sjansen: don't know why... he could beat him up easily, i bet... |
| 22:43.13 | sjansen | maquis: I think he once saw amcnabb with a beard and has been intimidated ever since |
| 22:43.26 | maquis | sjansen: doubt it... |
| 22:43.56 | hans | it's the bagpipes |
| 22:44.05 | Newsome | yeah, that'll scare anybody |
| 22:44.33 | emcnabb | especially his kilt flapping in the wind |
| 22:46.14 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.13 | sjansen | o/~ And if I had a hammer... ~/o |
| 22:48.31 | lars-ut | now I'm thinkin' of that mocumentary - 'A Mighty Wind'. |
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| 22:49.03 | hans | cassandra wilson++ |
| 22:49.19 | lars-ut | Hank Azaria++ |
| 22:49.36 | mrpull | grrrr |
| 22:49.42 | tensai | o/~ Ea- a- -oe's ~/o |
| 22:50.25 | mrpull | anybody else have one of these pieces of crap? |
| 22:50.38 | maquis | mrpull: someone in my complex does.... |
| 22:50.48 | maquis | if you don't change the password, htere |
| 22:50.49 | lars-ut | 2 words: bridged mode. |
| 22:50.51 | jsmith | mrpull: They're junk |
| 22:51.05 | vontrapp | wow, danny elfman has done soo much music for movies and shows |
| 22:51.09 | maquis | s some pretty big fun to be had |
| 22:51.09 | mrpull | agreed. i've gotten by with it for way too long |
| 22:51.11 | jsmith | mrpull: But there is an unauthorized firmware floating around on the net, that's supposed to fix some of the problems |
| 22:51.23 | lars-ut | elfman++ |
| 22:51.48 | mrpull | port forwarding isn't working despite it clearly being in the config |
| 22:51.50 | sjansen | manmoose++ |
| 22:54.11 | emcnabb | vim macros rock... |
| 22:55.15 | jsmith | ~vim |
| 22:55.20 | ibot | methinks vim is an enhanced version of vi that has great features without crowding the interface or adding stuff text editors don't need, or the official editor of #utah :), or see an awesume tutorial at http://vi-improved.com/tutorial.php |
| 22:55.23 | brac | [Vi-IMproved.org] |
| 22:59.27 | lars-ut | vontrapp: re: soundtracks... John Williams, James Newton Howard, Jerry Goldsmith, Paul Oakenfold, Cliff Eidelman, and James Horner |
| 23:00.09 | lars-ut | honorable mention: Andy Summers |
| 23:00.27 | lars-ut | mostly because of his former job |
| 23:01.59 | hans | hmm, freemind is pretty slick |
| 23:02.21 | lars-ut | crap, I meant Stewart Copeland, not Andy Summers |
| 23:03.55 | TimRiker | ibot: hurd |
| 23:03.57 | ibot | i heard hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux). http://hurd.gnu.org/ |
| 23:03.59 | brac | [The GNU Hurd - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
| 23:04.25 | TimRiker | ibot: hurd is also HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons |
| 23:04.26 | ibot | ACTION beats is also HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons over the head with a microkernel |
| 23:04.39 | mheath | hahaha |
| 23:04.44 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 23:05.26 | mheath | TimRiker: why the sudden interest in HURD? :) |
| 23:05.31 | lars-ut | ~moviecomposers |
| 23:05.33 | ibot | moviecomposers are Danny Elfman, John Williams, James Newton Howard, Jerry Goldsmith, Paul Oakenfold, Cliff Eidelman, and James Horner. |
| 23:07.50 | hans | .. except for the fact that insert node is done with the insert key, which I don't have. |
| 23:08.48 | TimRiker | mheath: just noticed the above: <sjansen> bah, ibot doesn't know what hurd stands for & I'm too lazy to google it |
| 23:08.52 | *** part/#utah nobell (n=jdegraff@70.103.228.158) |
| 23:09.01 | TimRiker | ~hurd |
| 23:09.02 | ibot | [hurd] The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ It stands for HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or ... |
| 23:09.04 | brac | [The GNU Hurd - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF)] |
| 23:10.25 | mheath | TimRiker: you need one for definition |
| 23:10.33 | mheath | HURD is doubly recursive :P |
| 23:10.59 | TimRiker | ~hird |
| 23:11.01 | ibot | hmm... hird is Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth |
| 23:11.27 | mheath | Ah, good. |
| 23:12.32 | *** part/#utah mrpull (n=misterpu@xmjake.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 23:12.37 | mheath | The chairman of the computer science department at Weber state runs mandrake |
| 23:13.33 | hans | you should be |
| 23:13.43 | hans | at least he doesn't run windows poorly |
| 23:13.55 | hans | way too many CS professors couldn't hack their way out of notepad |
| 23:14.01 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 23:14.39 | lars-ut | ~tamagothi |
| 23:14.40 | ibot | somebody said tamagothi was a gothic virtual pet. [http://www.angelfire.com/il/crimison1/tamagothi2.html] |
| 23:14.54 | hans | ok, insert was a false alarm. freemind is forgiven |
| 23:15.05 | mheath | He was giving a presentation about hiding encrypted information in the least significant bits of bitmapped images |
| 23:15.29 | emcnabb | most CS professors specialize in a small area |
| 23:15.31 | hans | what's the diff between big-oh and big-theta again? |
| 23:16.38 | levi | In case you're bored with your current fortune file: http://paste.lisp.org/display/12991 |
| 23:16.40 | brac | [Paste number 12991: Semigluteal reformatting of Timecube.com into fortune format] |
| 23:17.10 | hans | http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 23:17.12 | brac | [Main Page - FreeMind - free mind mapping software] |
| 23:17.17 | sjansen | hans: roughly, the exactness of the limit |
| 23:17.45 | hans | right, but the details escape me. is theta more exact? |
| 23:18.52 | sjansen | I seem to remember that theta was less exact. |
| 23:18.54 | Hhhhh | hehe, notepad for programming |
| 23:19.04 | emcnabb | hans, what classes are you taking this semester? |
| 23:19.34 | hans | theory (252 on steroids), AI, and OS |
| 23:19.37 | Hhhhh | hans, theta is a family of functions |
| 23:19.41 | Goshen | I am sending out an announcement for the Mandriva installfest to the sllug mailing list |
| 23:19.53 | Hhhhh | in which any function in there is "sandwiched" by the theta function |
| 23:20.20 | hans | so theta has an upper bound of sorts. that's sort of what I was thinking |
| 23:20.32 | emcnabb | hans, what are you going focus on? |
| 23:20.35 | Hhhhh | meaning, if f(x) is theta(g(x)), then there exist c1 and c2 such that c1g(x) <= f(x) <= c2g(x) |
| 23:20.50 | Hhhhh | hans, it's both an upper bound and a lower bound |
| 23:21.05 | hans | right. the lower bound is common to O and theta, isn't it? |
| 23:22.12 | sjansen | looks like lower is big-omega |
| 23:22.32 | emcnabb | later |
| 23:25.40 | hans | ok O is upper bound |
| 23:25.48 | hans | omega is lower bound |
| 23:26.04 | hans | theta is the combination |
| 23:27.46 | Hhhhh | yea, I think so, if my memory doesn't fail me |
| 23:27.54 | Hhhhh | I used to be the TS for CS 252 |
| 23:27.58 | Hhhhh | TA** |
| 23:28.03 | Hhhhh | long time ago |
| 23:30.27 | Hhhhh | hans, you're going to BYU? |
| 23:30.45 | hans | no, i got my bs from byu |
| 23:30.49 | hans | i'm at nmsu |
| 23:31.21 | hans | i loved 252, which is a strange feeling. I am also loving this theory class, which is basically 252 with more proofs |
| 23:31.22 | xbmodder | no |
| 23:31.27 | xbmodder | 252? |
| 23:32.08 | hans | xbmodder: DFAs, NFAs, PDAs, Turing Machines, O, Theta, Gamma, NP, NP complete, NP hard, etc. |
| 23:32.10 | levi | hans: So, do you use this FreeMind program? |
| 23:32.16 | hans | I do today |
| 23:32.22 | hans | I'm using it to outline my presentation for monday |
| 23:32.26 | levi | Ahh. |
| 23:32.33 | levi | Are you finding it useful for that? |
| 23:32.39 | hans | I've always been intrigued by the mindmapping idea, but it just doesn't work on paper (run out of space) |
| 23:32.42 | hans | yeah |
| 23:32.55 | hans | this is the first implementation I've used that is actually, well, usable |
| 23:33.00 | hans | and it's quite usable at that. |
| 23:33.07 | levi | I've been intrigued by it, but I've never actually been able to do it. |
| 23:33.27 | hans | i might even have to try it out for taking notes in class |
| 23:33.34 | hans | but then I never take notes, it's against my religion |
| 23:33.40 | levi | I think I'd be better served with a regular outliner. |
| 23:33.50 | hans | unless I'm going to fall asleep otherwise, then I open my laptop and pretend to take notes... |
| 23:33.53 | hans | into IRC |
| 23:34.02 | hans | I figure paying half-attention is better than sleeping through it |
| 23:34.04 | levi | There's a Mac app called Tinderbox that's supposed to be really cool. |
| 23:34.10 | levi | It's non-free, though. |
| 23:35.08 | hans | it's heart warming to see SVG popping up all over the place |
| 23:36.41 | *** join/#utah tensai (n=tensai@kite.zmonkey.org) |
| 23:37.53 | hans | hooey, at $165 I'd say it's non-free |
| 23:37.59 | hans | absolutely |
| 23:38.17 | hans | a program like this is for me barely worth the effort to learn how to use it, let alone $165 |
| 23:38.39 | levi | Eh, I don't know about that. |
| 23:38.56 | levi | If I was going to use it all the time, I wouldn't mind paying that. |
| 23:40.44 | levi | I think I like the concept it's based on better than the strict hierarchy of mind-mapping. |